Matt Connarton Unleashed 4-4-26 hour 1

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5:29 Speaker 9: The band is Warhog and they are going to be joining us today in the third hour of the show.

5:34 Speaker 6: Welcome everybody.

5:35 Speaker 9: This is Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from the studios of WMNH ninety five point three FM and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. Of course, you can stream the show from anywhere. Go to Matt connorton dot com slash live for all of your live streaming options, social media links, contact infos, show archives, et cetera, et cetera. Today is a Saturday, April four, twenty twenty six, and I'm not alone.

6:05 Speaker 10: Jenny, Good morning, Suntime.

6:09 Speaker 6: Jenny is here at the news table. Yes, President, that accounted for and we do have a great show for you today.

6:16 Speaker 9: Like I said, Warhog, our friends from Texas will be here in the third hour. Via via Microsoft teams. Of course, Jenny and I both have our Warhog shirts on. For those of you watching the video, let's see, in just a couple of minutes, we're gonna be joined by Emma Hunter, another great artist from the UK. She's got a new single called Snake which we're going to play for you, which is really really good. In the second hour, we have the Gray Curtain, who they must be in the Five Timers Club by now right, Absol Dennis Layton and whoever from the bandy brings with him today, the Gray Curtain.

6:47 Speaker 9: They will be here with us in the second hour. But Jenny, you wanted to talk about an event coming up at the Mosaic Arts Collective.

6:54 Speaker 10: Yeah, please come and join me at the Mosaic Art Collective coming up at the opening reception to the to Me exhibit which is on display and the open Oh gosh. The opening reception will be April eleventh, from five pm to seven pm. I'm on a Doss will share that I am now the vice president of the board of directors the Mosaic Are Collective and happy to be helping them in a volunteer capacity to grow and keep inviting people in. So please do bring your irk to your hurt. Yeah, your art to us and put it on display.

7:29 Speaker 10: It's worth it. Trust me you will enjoy having it. And the next open call is called Shaping Our Spells. This one is about what shapes are and how you perceive that. Check out the open call at the mosaic Ar Collective dot com. The gallery is located. Sorry, the gallery is located at the sixty six hand over Suite Sweet two one in Manchester, New Hampshire. Back come on buy. We're open Thursday, Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I'll happen to be there Thursday afternoon, so come say hi to me and check out current show.

8:06 Speaker 9: All right, very good, very good, and congratulations. I'm not becoming the vice president there.

8:10 Speaker 6: Thank you, thank you.

8:11 Speaker 10: I'm honored that they thought that I would be a good pace. And I've already had a lot of fun meeting all the other board members and at our first board meeting it was a lot.

8:20 Speaker 3: Of a lot of good fun.

8:22 Speaker 10: You know, it's a really amazing place. The other thing that that we have there is there are community nights. You can come and create with other people or you know, just be in community with others.

8:34 Speaker 3: There are.

8:36 Speaker 6: Things available like you know, we'll we'll.

8:38 Speaker 10: Have some artistic supplies around that you can come and you can create with us. The next community studio is going to be on April fifteenth, and that is from five thirty pm to seven thirty pm. We'll be repeating that once a month. In May thirteenth will be the one after that. But come be in community, sit in the studio, enjoy the environment, and create with us. Community studio is a wonderful way to just enjoy.

9:05 Speaker 6: Art and have a little fun. All right, very good, very good.

9:09 Speaker 9: Well, if you are listening live on Saturday, welcome again. We've got a big show for you. But we're gonna get to our first guest in just a moment, but we're gonna share with you. Her name is Emma Hunter, a great artist from the UK. She's got her newest single is called Snake, and I really like her sound a lot. We're gonna talk all about it, we're gonna play a little bit of We're gonna play one of her other tracks too at the end of our conversation. But I can't wait to talk to her via WhatsApp in just a moment.

9:35 Speaker 9: But here it is Emma Hunter and the single is snake.

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13:44 Speaker 6: That is cool. It is cinematic.

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13:47 Speaker 9: The track is called Snake. The artist is Emma Hunter, and we've got Emma with us via WhatsApp.

13:53 Speaker 6: I think we do. Emma, are you there?

13:56 Speaker 9: I am absolutely absolutely you sound great. Is anyone there from the project with you?

14:02 Speaker 6: Or is it just you?

14:03 Speaker 12: It's just me?

14:04 Speaker 6: All right? Well, very good, very good. So Uh, I love that a lot.

14:09 Speaker 9: That's a sound that we don't often hear, you know, when we're featuring new music on the show, anything quite like that. And it is it is cinematic and I know that it's it's part of a story obviously the album that it comes from. Uh, but can you can you tell us about that song? And then I do want to talk more about the the the Yolanda project. But what can you tell us about that single Snake, that's the newest one from the album?

14:33 Speaker 6: Correct, Yeah, that's right.

14:37 Speaker 12: I'm going to just say if I've got a bit of an echo.

14:40 Speaker 6: Oh, okay, there we go.

14:41 Speaker 12: Let's see how's that?

14:43 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you sound better? Yeah? Absolutely perfect.

14:47 Speaker 12: So that is the last single that we are releasing from the album.

14:52 Speaker 15: But it comes sort of early on in a story,

14:57 Speaker 15: and essentially that is her asking her partner to stop drinking. Oh so she's comparing the snake to alcohol and she's saying, do you want to pick me instead?

15:10 Speaker 12: Based? Okay, So that's that is the kind of the background of that. She she meets a guy.

15:19 Speaker 15: And the album tells this story of how they meet, and that comes sort of a quarter of the way into the story.

15:28 Speaker 6: Okay, So.

15:33 Speaker 12: I guess quite a cinematic record.

15:37 Speaker 6: It truly?

15:37 Speaker 16: Is it?

15:38 Speaker 6: Truly?

15:38 Speaker 12: Is? Thank you?

15:40 Speaker 9: Is is the h So the album was called Yolanda and I did listen to the entire thing. It's great, It's got ten tracks. It certainly does tell a story.

15:47 Speaker 11: Is it is it.

15:48 Speaker 9: Inspired by anything specific? Is it is it based on anything? Did you did you create this story? I mean it kind of it almost you know, it almost under sells it to call it a story. It's like it as I'm listening to it, because like I said, I listened to the entire thing from start to finish.

16:04 Speaker 6: It kind of creates this whole sort.

16:05 Speaker 9: Of world, which I guess is the point of you know, when you're telling a story, you don't just want to tell what happens, but where it happens, and the environment that it happens in, and all the circumstances and so forth. But I'm curious about the inspiration for Yolanda.

16:24 Speaker 15: I think it was because I was I was writing songs that were quite dark, and I wanted to kind of carry on exploring that. And if I was to write songs about my own life, maybe they'd be a bit boring.

16:39 Speaker 12: So, you know, if I could.

16:41 Speaker 15: Create a character that lived in this kind of combination of all the things that I loved so enim O, Tony, but also David Lynch, you know, the sort of flamenco.

16:55 Speaker 12: Side of things. So I kind of built this story around.

16:59 Speaker 15: Some songs, and then the more I thought about her character, the more the songs came. And it was also a cheeky way for me to write about mine own experience, but you don't know what's mine and you don't know what's hers.

17:15 Speaker 6: Ah.

17:16 Speaker 9: Interesting, interesting, of course. Yeah, it's not just about Yolanda but Danny of the male protagonists and their starcross lovers in nineteen fifties Mexico. And I'm curious about your what came first? Did the story come first and then the sound that you create is sort of to a sort of in service of that story or did you already have this sound, because like I said, your sound is not something that you necessarily hear in twenty twenty six, it is very evocative of another time and that guitar style and whatnot.

17:51 Speaker 6: What came first?

17:54 Speaker 15: I think singing in that particular way and using the Prginian scale, which is sort of what Flamenco music comes from.

18:03 Speaker 12: It's sort of quite ingrained.

18:05 Speaker 15: So my dad's family are Sofardi, so they but from Spain, so I think it literally is kind of genetic thing. But because I really love that kind of music, it was also a cheeky way for me to lean into that and think, what.

18:28 Speaker 12: Can I do that's different? You know, how can I make my music tell a story that has something different to offer?

18:37 Speaker 6: Right?

18:38 Speaker 15: And I really obsessed with films, so I really wanted to write music that was been cinematic. But I think that that style of music came first, and then I thought what's going to fit and the two kind of just came in tandem.

18:56 Speaker 12: If that makes any sense, No.

18:58 Speaker 6: It does.

18:58 Speaker 9: It definitely does. That makes a lot of sense. And when you started this, did you intend for this to be an entire album and an entire story. I'm curious if that was the if that's how you went into this project, or or did it start as maybe a song or two songs and then at some point you thought I could make an entire story out of this.

19:18 Speaker 15: It was it was always to do an album, absolutely, And I think what would happen is I would write a Yolanda song, and then I maybe would write a couple of other, like just Emma songs, and sometimes the style of those other songs would be different. Yeah, And I was kind of creating this body of work for this record, and it's taken about two years because I've written other songs, you know, in the meanwhile, and I thought I was done, and then I recently wrote another song and I was like, oh no, it's another Yland song.

20:00 Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, well it worked out. It's interesting to me about how.

20:09 Speaker 9: You know, I refer to them, I think as a star across lovers in nineteen fifties Mexico. But there's there's also there's something very relatable in here, and you talked about it when explaining what Snake is about. Something relatable about addiction really kind of interfering, getting in the way, with getting in the way in between two people who are hopefully in some sort of a healthy relationship.

20:34 Speaker 6: But alcohol, I mean again.

20:37 Speaker 9: It's very relatable because so many of us have either experienced that or no people who have experienced that, where alcohol or some other addiction, you know, whether it's drugs or whatever it may be, or even things that are psychologically addictive, not necessarily chemically addictive, but how that can really kind of you know, that one thing can just wreck everything. It can wreck everything in your life, but it can certainly wreck everything in your relationship as well. So I would imagine, and you can tell me if I'm right about this, but I would imagine you've heard from some feedback from people who've listened to this, whether they've listened to that song or they've listened to the entire album.

21:17 Speaker 9: We've said, you know, I understand the story isn't you know? It's from another time in another place. But I can relate to this. I can relate to what this story is about.

21:28 Speaker 12: Oh yeah, absolutely.

21:29 Speaker 15: And I've had some people that have said, You've got You've really got this sort of nailed bef on the hat, and I think it's something that kind of comes up throughout the record. So Marie Ray is also about its final plea, and it's saying, I can see that you are disappearing because the word maria ra is Italian and it means both to die and made okay at the same time. And I think that's what addiction can do. It can make the person just disappear. So absolutely a lot of people have said they relate.

22:08 Speaker 15: And even that Here I Go is about her recognizing do I stick with this? And if I do, am I complicit somehow? Or do I clear off and start again? And that feels really scary, But it's it's also about reflecting on yourself in that situation and saying, oh.

22:31 Speaker 12: Is this to do with me?

22:32 Speaker 6: Is this to do with them?

22:34 Speaker 12: You know? And ultimately you can't get someone else to stop like it's their own.

22:38 Speaker 6: Choice exactly exactly one hundred.

22:41 Speaker 9: I think that's something most well, people who've been in that situation, they wind up up learning, whether they you know, figure it out earlier, they learn it the hard way over time.

22:49 Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, very very relatable. Absolutely.

22:53 Speaker 9: Can you tell us about your collaborators on the album You you do? You play all the guitar? Is all the guitar you?

23:00 Speaker 12: Yeah?

23:01 Speaker 6: Okay, so you're you're the guitar and all the vocals as well, yeah okay, yeah yeah.

23:07 Speaker 15: And then with some of the older tracks, I've had people like Matt Kosher who produced a lot of the older songs, so things like some Blood where the Roses Grow, and he also played the based on those. And now I have a brilliant new bassis called Haley Wright, so she played based on Hyde, which was the most recent song. Okay, and that's the last song that I wrote. But it's it's it doesn't come at the end of the story, so I wrote it in a really weird order.

23:49 Speaker 9: Well no, you know what though, that makes sense because when when they're making a film, for example, when a director is making a film, they don't they don't shoot the scenes in the order that they're happening in the film. It would be logistically, uh possible, I suppose it would be, but in terms of keeping in with in with their budget. So it's it makes sense to me that you know, you've made something that's cinematic, but yeah, it's it hasn't all been done in order that that makes complete sense to me.

24:16 Speaker 9: Now I'm curious too about in terms of the making of this album, how hard.

24:22 Speaker 15: Is it to.

24:24 Speaker 6: Well, let me ask it this way.

24:26 Speaker 9: Obviously, when you're conceiving of these songs and and they they're creating the story, how hard is it to capture that in the studio what it is that you have in mind?

24:37 Speaker 6: Because it's one thing. You know, it's one thing.

24:40 Speaker 9: If you're just going to record a three chord rock song, you know that's it's pretty standard, and you know, you kind of know what you want, and probably your producer kind of knows what you want, and it's easy. But with something like this, you've really got to bring your idea to life in a way that that not only sounds good and i sonically pleasing to you, but also makes the whole story work as well. So I'm curious how challenging that is with something that's a project that again is unique. This isn't something that you hear every.

25:12 Speaker 12: Day, Oh thank you. It's definitely something that's come with experience.

25:19 Speaker 15: When I was about twenty something, I recorded an entire album and actually I just I didn't like it. It wasn't it wasn't what I wanted it to be. And I think I really learned from that experience. So I think with this one, I would have guide tracks. So I would say to my producer, I want it to sound like Nancy Sinatra, or I want it to sound like this Ni MORICONI track, you know, or make the guitar sound like this, you know.

25:53 Speaker 12: So I was really really clear about what it was after r you know, can we have a bit of film without the gun you know? On this? So I would have a really clear i'd say vision, but it was an audio vision, you know, of what it was that I was after.

26:16 Speaker 15: And I'm really particular about who I would work with. So We've had different producers on the record, but I know that I can communicate with all of them and be really honest and go, I don't like, can we can we change it? So I I would co produce that wasn't in charge of, you know, all the knobs and the butts, but but it was very much me going more of this, yes, please, you.

26:46 Speaker 12: Know, and I think that's how we ended up the product that we were really proud of.

26:52 Speaker 9: H And what about in terms of who plays on the on the on the album, because again we're you have something very very specific and clear that that you want to create. Uh, you know, like I said, it's not like creating a it's not like you know, just recording a three three chord rock song. Was it was it challenging at all to find the right players to contribute to the album.

27:15 Speaker 6: In that way.

27:17 Speaker 15: So the first so four of the tracks I did before it even formed my band. Oh, and that was about me going, what sound have I got? This is the start of her theory, and I'm going to get it right and then bring it to the table. So then I found the drummer, and then for a long time it was me and Tom Broce the drummer, and then producers that I would work with would then maybe add like a little bit of extra guitar.

27:49 Speaker 12: Or more specifically bass.

27:52 Speaker 15: I would add since bits as well, which we want to reintroduce actually to our live aack now.

28:00 Speaker 16: Yeah.

28:02 Speaker 15: So and then when we met Hatley, because it took a long time to decide if we wanted a bassist because I use a looper live, so I didn't want to throw that element of the live music. And that's what you don't get from the record that when I play live, I leap all of these harmonies.

28:22 Speaker 12: Oh wow, yeah, you should come and come and see,

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28:30 Speaker 15: So it's important to me to get that element of layering and of that repetition, you know, different musical components.

28:41 Speaker 12: But it's actually a really small group of us that play.

28:45 Speaker 15: Yeah, and then things like the trumpet is someone that I met through a friend who runs a festival, and Rosie plays the violin and.

28:56 Speaker 12: Then she's Tom's mum, so that works.

28:59 Speaker 6: Out perfect perfect? Is is how hard?

29:03 Speaker 11: Well?

29:04 Speaker 6: How important is it to you?

29:05 Speaker 9: I'll ask it this way, How important is it to you to to be able to recreate that sound when you're playing it live?

29:11 Speaker 6: Or is it?

29:12 Speaker 9: Because obviously you know a lot of artists when they play live, they're not going to get what's on the record exactly, but they're but they're cool with it because it kind of doesn't matter necessarily depending on what they're doing. And some artists are very particular about that. I mean, how important is that to you? Because that's got to be a challenge too. I mean again, you know, we talked about the challenge of creating this in the studio, but but then to recreate that live? Are are you concerned with that?

29:39 Speaker 9: I would imagine you could probably overthink it if you're not careful. But but how much of a concern is that for you? Or do you just not worry about that part?

29:48 Speaker 15: Now? I definitely wanted to get the sound live first, yeah, and then I was like, this is how I want it to sound, and then that that was what I took to the studio. And actually it's been a quicker way of recording. The last song that we recorded was High and before that was Gates of Love and that was a much more live process and using like vintage jamps to you know, get that really lovely weaper surf guitar sound.

30:19 Speaker 12: You know, so.

30:22 Speaker 15: Getting it to sound great live is really important and I am particular.

30:29 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, is that is it really hard to get that?

30:34 Speaker 9: I mean I would imagine some shows are easier to capture that than others depending on the venue and and you know what the house pa is like and all of that. I mean, there's there's so much there's a lot that can go wrong, certainly. And again, what what you're doing is is, uh, you know, because you have a specific sound. I mean, does anything ever go wrong with that? Where you go that really wasn't what I wanted when you're at the end of at the end of a show, or or is it all going pretty smoothly?

31:07 Speaker 12: I mean it tends to.

31:08 Speaker 15: Go easily because I've got like a particular sound, like I used to my guitar that I've made. I did have a gig the other day where I break my rule and I switched guitars. I got the acoustic out and I couldn't hear it when I was playing, and I stopped the song.

31:28 Speaker 12: And I've never done that before, but I just went, no, I can't hear a thing.

31:32 Speaker 6: Oh no, kidding.

31:34 Speaker 15: Yeah, And sometimes the leaper won't always work. You've got to really stamp on it. And so that that's the thing that it makes the sound, because it creates that lush, you know, kind of soundscape of like layered vocals, but that also has potential to be a bit of a gremlin.

31:56 Speaker 9: Technology will fail us at times, certainly, but that's that's the enture of it all. Yeah, and you're now, do you have some festivals coming up or you're going to be doing some festivals.

32:07 Speaker 12: Yeah, so we're playing at wood Festival, We're playing at a Riverside festival as well, into my Yeah, so we might we might add some more festivals into the mix. We'll see.

32:22 Speaker 9: Yeah, that's that's fantastic. I've noticed all the all the guests that we have on the show. You know, we have a lot of guests from the UK and and there's always a heavy emphasis on on playing festivals, which I think is which I think is fantastic. And we have a lot of festivals in the United States too. But you know, the thing that I tell everybody, you know, because I'm a music industry guy, is festivals are are amazing because not only does it get you in front of a potentially huge crowd and exposes you to a large audience that might not otherwise be aware of you or or maybe somewhat aware of you, but now they're going to going to get to see you live and be very aware of you.

32:55 Speaker 9: But also just the the networking opportunities, you know, in terms of the industry side of it, the other artists that you'll meet, the other UH promoters and and everybody managers and this. You can make so many incredible connections at a festival. So I think it's great that you're doing festivals. Like I said, that seems to be the trend with all the UK artists that we have on the show. Seemed to really understand how important that is. And UH and and that's fantastic. And you're already having some success anyway, right like Snake has been getting or I don't know, Snake is the newest single I know, but but you've gotten some some radio airplay over there with this album.

33:30 Speaker 6: Correct, Oh yeah, yeah, good good.

33:34 Speaker 15: We've we've done We've done well with it. It's breaking the national radio shows and that that what's tricky.

33:43 Speaker 9: Yeah, no doubt, because again you have a sound that it doesn't necessarily comport with, you know, with with a lot of what's out today who.

33:52 Speaker 6: Which reminds me too, I'm curious.

33:54 Speaker 9: About who inspires you, who inspires your sound, Who's a big influence on you sonically.

34:02 Speaker 12: So we've talked about an your Money. Yes, I absolutely love Anna Colvey.

34:09 Speaker 15: She's she's amazing and does similar things with sort of exploring a bit of flamenco.

34:16 Speaker 12: Kind of influencing that David Lynch darkness.

34:21 Speaker 15: I also absolutely loved David Bowie, just from the perspective of being an amazing songwriter, you know, having really good melodies and songs, and that idea of it being quite character driven.

34:35 Speaker 12: Love p J. Harvey, She's been a massive influence for a really really long time.

34:41 Speaker 15: But also things like trip hop, you know, massive attack point his head, so like a really big old range, you know, Johnny Cash. You know, there's a lot of I've really got into the milk cart and recently as well.

34:57 Speaker 12: Okay, yeah, who were from the state So excellent? Yeah, all.

35:05 Speaker 9: Very good, very good, Emma. We're gonna so we'll let you go in a moment. This has been wonderful. Like I said, I really I listened to the whole album. I think it's amazing. Absolutely, So a couple just a couple more things before we let you go. So uh, we are going to end our conversation with another track from the album, Yolanda, but kind of putting you on the spot here, what should we play at the end of the segment, I'll let you pick.

35:31 Speaker 12: I would say here, I go, here, I go Okay, all right, ye catches.

35:37 Speaker 9: One okay, the catchiest one. Okay, very good, very good. So the other thing, of course, I want to make sure our listeners know where should they go online? Where's the best place to go online to keep up with everything that you are doing, Emma Hunter. Whether they want to find uh the album Yolanda, or they just want to follow you and and they want to know where they can see you live and what you're up doing all of that. Where should people go online?

35:59 Speaker 15: So if you follow us on Instagram, I'm much better at updating that else. So it's Emma Hunter Music is our is our tagline on Instagram?

36:11 Speaker 6: Okay.

36:12 Speaker 12: But also so if you look up Emma Hunter music on band camp, you'll find us. You can get in the States.

36:22 Speaker 6: Company absolutely yeah.

36:24 Speaker 15: And then we are on all the other things you know, Apple Music, Spotify, but band Camp and Instagram is probably the best place outstanding.

36:35 Speaker 9: I'm a big advocate for band camp because what I what I like to tell everyone. You you realize this, I'm sure, but what what some people don't know. Is that the file If you download a track on on band camp, if you purchase a file, you're getting you're getting a high quality file. And it's a much better way to listen to music than to say, you know, just streaming it on YouTube or something where you're getting you know, not not as not as good quality. And to some people that doesn't matter. But if or someone like me, obviously that matters, and so I encourage everyone.

37:04 Speaker 9: Yeah, definitely check you out on band Camp. You can get access to the entire album there. And like I said, I think it's I think it's really really good. And one other thing. So, what what's kind of the future trajectory for you? Are you already working on the next album.

37:21 Speaker 12: I've already written it.

37:22 Speaker 15: Oh wow, yeah yeah, and it's got a bit more of a kind of dark folk vibe. Okay, but yeah, and it's very sort of brutally honest, no hiding behind Ylando anymore.

37:38 Speaker 12: Oh you know Emma Hunter's dark thoughts.

37:41 Speaker 6: Oh okay, all right, cool, cool.

37:44 Speaker 12: So we're going to start recording that in gene Oh pretty exciting.

37:48 Speaker 9: Oh fantastic. Well, when that's ready to go, we'll definitely have to have you back on the show.

37:53 Speaker 12: Oh, we would absolutely love that.

37:54 Speaker 6: Thanks you definitely count on it, count on it.

37:57 Speaker 9: All right, very good. So we're going to hit this track here I Go from the Yolanda album Emma Hunter again, Thank you so much. It is wonderful to have you on the show. And we will talk again soon, I'm.

38:07 Speaker 6: Sure, brilliant.

38:08 Speaker 12: Thank you so much for having me.

38:10 Speaker 6: You gotta take care, bye bye, Thank you. All right.

38:14 Speaker 9: That was Emma Hunter. And we're gonna play this again. This is from the album Yolanda. This is called here I Go.

38:37 Speaker 3: Here I go, Here I go wandering again? Should I leave this place?

38:42 Speaker 12: So?

38:42 Speaker 3: Should I forget wondering? Wondering?

38:46 Speaker 17: What was it for your empty nights covering the kitchen floor?

39:08 Speaker 17: If here I go, here I go dragging my feet? Should have follow out the side?

39:13 Speaker 3: You are black covered streets now you were the girls there?

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41:34 Speaker 6: All right, that is Emma Hunter.

41:36 Speaker 9: The track is called Here I Go. It is from the album Yolanda. And thank you again to Emma Hunter for joining us this morning, all the way from.

41:43 Speaker 6: The UK via What's App.

41:46 Speaker 9: And I really enjoyed speaking with her, and I do encourage everybody go to band camp, look up Emma Hunter and check out the full album Yolanda. I listened to the whole thing from beginning to end. It's really good. That was a great story and she's got such a cool sound, not something you hear every day, that's for sure.

42:01 Speaker 6: This is Matt Connorton Unleashed.

42:02 Speaker 9: We are live from the studios of wm NH ninety five point three FM and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire, and you can stream the show from anywhere. Go to Matt connorton dot com slash live for all your live streaming options, social media links, contact infosh archives, et cetera, et cetera. It is Saturday April four, twenty twenty six. Jenny and I are here with you and we've got coming up in the second hour. For those of you listening live the gray Curtain will be here. And in the third hour we have Warhog, who's gonna be with us via Microsoft teams all the way from the great state of Texas and love those guys, one of my favorite.

42:34 Speaker 9: Oh yeah, we've both got our Warhog shirts on. Let's see. So Jenny sent me a couple of things. We have time for a little bit of music news. This looks interesting. This is from Digital Musicnews dot com Music Publishers x copyright lawsuit officially on pause following the Supreme Courts Cox decision all Deadlines shelved as a social media platform as dismissal so recently on the show, was it last week? It was last week, right the Supreme Court, which you know, we live in a time where I don't necessarily agree with a lot of the rulings.

43:09 Speaker 9: We won't get into that, but they got that one right, in my opinion, they ruled that an Internet service provider cannot be held liable for what its users do in terms of.

43:18 Speaker 10: That would have been grotesquely awful of it in terms.

43:21 Speaker 9: Of in terms of yeah, in terms of downloading pirated music and so forth. But looks like, uh, looks like that might uh, well, that.

43:32 Speaker 10: Could knock the stuff out of the water. That's yeah, ben pending people who have been trying.

43:36 Speaker 9: To Yeah, so there's a news story here. So according to this, a presiding judge made the pause official.

43:46 Speaker 6: Oh wait, let me back up.

43:48 Speaker 9: Major music publishers long running copyright infringement lawsuit against x so x, of course, being formerly Twitter, is now on a hard pause following the Supreme Court's Cocks versus Sony Music decision, which is the case I was talking about last week. And by the way, that wasn't just Sony Music, but UMG was involved in that lawsuit as well as other labels. But okay, So this says the presiding judge made that pause official in a recent order after the publishers and the Elon Musk owned social platform asked the court to stay all current deadlines.

44:19 Speaker 9: And the stay request didn't come out of left field, as we previously broke down. The Supreme Court, in a unanimous unanimous ruling in favor of Cox Communications, the internet service provider that was in the other lawsuit, found that service providers can be held contributorily liable only if they induced user infringement or tailored their core offerings to enable infringement. And by the way, that's one of the reasons I said I agreed with the Supreme Court's unanimous ruling in that case because to me, and the analogy I used, is holding Internet service providers responsible for everything that their users do.

45:01 Speaker 9: That would be akin to holding auto manufacturers responsible every time somebody gets into a car accident where somebody accidentally gets killed on the highway. You know, oh, you created a product that was used in this accident. Therefore you are responsible.

45:17 Speaker 13: You know.

45:17 Speaker 6: It's absurd. So I agree with the Supreme Court's ruling. It says here.

45:21 Speaker 9: Naturally, the decisions significance for similar isp repeat piracy cases took center stage out of the gate, but the narrow secondary liability definition is already factoring into a number of copyright cases in and beyond the music world. One of the non music cases, textbook publishers copyright and trademark infringement show down with Google, which promptly moved to stay discovery pending the resolution of the Cocks versus Sony related motion for partial judgment. Enter exis push to toss the remainder of publishers infringement claims due to the perceived lack of secondary liability.

46:01 Speaker 9: So if I'm understanding this correctly, and again I'm not a legal expert of any kind, but if I understand this correctly, so the argument from X is that, Okay, you're not going to hold Cox Communications responsible, you also cannot hold X responsible for what our users do on our platform if they are infringing on copyright.

46:23 Speaker 6: And again I would agree.

46:24 Speaker 9: You know, I'm not a big fan of Elon Musk, but again I would agree with with that argument.

46:29 Speaker 6: You you should not this.

46:31 Speaker 9: This has come up, but this has been coming up for years, by the way, in terms of social media platforms.

46:36 Speaker 6: This concept that some people really believe in.

46:41 Speaker 9: That social media platforms should be somehow held responsible for everything that their users do, and that they should be held liable for that that everything that their users do on their platforms. And these social media platforms already police that stuff. But if you're going to make it so that these social media platforms are liable for every single thing that users do that might infringe on a copyright or or may break some law, or then or you will end you will end social media.

47:15 Speaker 10: Yeah, you say boo about somebody and suddenly there's a lawsuit. But the Internet company is going to heck of a lot more money than the average person. So if there's a street to their bank account, everybody's gonna get off and take it.

47:28 Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, you would end social media if you're gonna hold you know, if you're gonna hold everything responsible for every little thing that people post.

47:36 Speaker 12: How does YouTube do boo do videos?

47:38 Speaker 6: Right?

47:39 Speaker 10: Because then if it's running on Exfinity, Exfinity is liable for everything that gets played on YouTube.

47:44 Speaker 6: Right. Yeah, you can't. Yeah, you can't do it. You can't do it.

47:48 Speaker 10: Oh every once in a while to get something right.

47:50 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, says here. It's against this backdrop.

47:53 Speaker 9: With a dismissal demand looming large that both sides requested a stay of all deadlines in the current schedule so they could meet and confer regarding the appropriate next steps for this litigation, and with Judge Aletta Trouger having signed off on the request as mentioned, the litigants are expected to submit a joint schedule proposal by next Wednesday, April eighth, So this Wednesday coming up actually, besides addressing X's anticipated attempt to end the litigation, said schedule will cover the plaintiff's opposition and possible motions to amend the complaint and or seek reconsideration of the prior partial dismissal.

48:31 Speaker 9: On the latter front, it's been two years in change since the court dismissed vicarious and direct infringement claims against X, and while it's unclear what the reconsideration requests may look like, the possible descriptor is important here. The plaintiffs only indicated that they may file related motions. Time will tell where this definitive pause leads the year's running case and what's in store for other infringement disputes impacted by Cox versus Sony. As noted, different isp disputes jump out.

49:05 Speaker 9: The major label suit against Altis was gearing up for a jury trial until being stayed pending the Supreme Court's determination, But so do complaints like Epidemic Sounds nearly four year old first copyright action against Meta. Last week, the Facebook parent formally moved to invoke Cox versus Sony into its summary judgment motion. The presiding judge granted the request, and Meta has until April sixteenth to file a supplemental brief addressing the impact of Cox communications, in other words, addressing the impact of that ruling.

49:40 Speaker 9: So the Supreme Court has effectively set a precedent here with their ruling in Cox versus Sony, saying that you cannot hold you cannot hold Internet service providers, whether it be an ISP or perhaps whether it be a social media platform, you cannot hold them liable and responsible for every little thing that every user does on their platform that might be illegal or you know, or maybe not necessarily illegally illegal, but might be something that might cause a civil action, you know, defaming someone's character, et cetera.

50:15 Speaker 9: And by the way, all these social media platforms already have rules against that kind of thing, but it's up to them to enforce them, and they're not always going to get it right, and sometimes they sometimes is almost an overcorrection, if that's the right term, because sometimes people get caught up in a net. You know, it's happened to me. I mean, I've run into problems with YouTube. Not recently, not for a while, but I've run into problems with YouTube where I've been flagged for things in my YouTube videos where it's like, well, wait a minute, I'm being flagged for something I didn't too or I'm being flagged for saying something I'm not allowed to say on YouTube, but I wasn't saying it.

50:49 Speaker 9: I was actually quoting someone else who had said it, and I was using that as an example of what that person said. That particular thing has caught me a few times because they have the bots that patrol the videos, and then a hears me say something that again, it's not me saying it, it's me repeating something someone else said, and then I'm refuting it that exact thing has happened to me, and then YouTube flags it, and then I get a strike on my account, and then I have to appeal to strike, and da da da da da, And it's a whole thing.

51:18 Speaker 9: But I would not expect anyone as frustrated as I might get with YouTube. I would not expect there to be I would not expect YouTube to be legally liable for anything that I do. You know, whether I'm being held accountable for something I actually did or something that a bot has decided that I did. But I kind of vented a little bit about YouTube because I have gotten caught up in that net. But my point being, these social media companies already police that It's never going to be perfect, but we don't need laws or rulings in terms of civil penalties that hold them accountable for something that.

51:57 Speaker 12: You couldn't.

51:59 Speaker 9: It would be an unreasonable standard. Old any business or industry to that standard, it would be unreasonable. All right, we are going to take a break. We're going to show some love to our amazing sponsors. And when we come back in the second hour, for those of you listening live, the Gray Curtain will be here with us live in studio. Love those guys, such a great band, and I cannot wait to catch up with them. And I do hear it's somebody's birthday today as well.

52:28 Speaker 6: So oh, here we go.

52:32 Speaker 9: Sorry, little technical issue there I was having. If it sounded like I was stalling, it's because I was, but I fixed it.

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