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Matt Connarton Unleashed 4-4-26 hour 1
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Speaker 10: Jenny, Good morning, Suntime.
Speaker 6: Jenny is here at the news table. Yes, President, that
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Speaker 9: Like I said, Warhog, our friends from Texas will be
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Speaker 9: Jenny and I both have our Warhog shirts on. For
Speaker 9: those of you watching the video, let's see, in just
Speaker 9: a couple of minutes, we're gonna be joined by Emma Hunter,
Speaker 9: another great artist from the UK. She's got a new
Speaker 9: single called Snake which we're going to play for you,
Speaker 9: which is really really good. In the second hour, we
Speaker 9: have the Gray Curtain, who they must be in the
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Speaker 9: They will be here with us in the second hour.
Speaker 9: But Jenny, you wanted to talk about an event coming
Speaker 9: up at the Mosaic Arts Collective.
Speaker 10: Yeah, please come and join me at the Mosaic Art
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Speaker 10: Me exhibit which is on display and the open Oh gosh.
Speaker 10: The opening reception will be April eleventh, from five pm
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Speaker 10: I am now the vice president of the board of
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Speaker 9: All right, very good, very good, and congratulations. I'm not
Speaker 9: becoming the vice president there.
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Speaker 10: I'm honored that they thought that I would be a
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Speaker 10: meeting all the other board members and at our first
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Speaker 10: You know, it's a really amazing place. The other thing
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Speaker 10: You can come and create with other people or you know,
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Speaker 10: Have some artistic supplies around that you can come and
Speaker 10: you can create with us. The next community studio is
Speaker 10: going to be on April fifteenth, and that is from
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Speaker 9: Well, if you are listening live on Saturday, welcome again.
Speaker 9: We've got a big show for you. But we're gonna
Speaker 9: get to our first guest in just a moment, but
Speaker 9: we're gonna share with you. Her name is Emma Hunter,
Speaker 9: a great artist from the UK. She's got her newest
Speaker 9: single is called Snake, and I really like her sound
Speaker 9: a lot. We're gonna talk all about it, we're gonna
Speaker 9: play a little bit of We're gonna play one of
Speaker 9: her other tracks too at the end of our conversation.
Speaker 9: But I can't wait to talk to her via WhatsApp
Speaker 9: in just a moment. But here it is Emma Hunter
Speaker 9: and the single is snake.
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Speaker 6: That is cool. It is cinematic.
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Speaker 9: The track is called Snake. The artist is Emma Hunter,
Speaker 9: and we've got Emma with us via WhatsApp.
Speaker 6: I think we do. Emma, are you there?
Speaker 9: I am absolutely absolutely you sound great. Is anyone there
Speaker 9: from the project with you?
Speaker 6: Or is it just you?
Speaker 12: It's just me?
Speaker 6: All right? Well, very good, very good. So Uh, I
Speaker 6: love that a lot.
Speaker 9: That's a sound that we don't often hear, you know,
Speaker 9: when we're featuring new music on the show, anything quite
Speaker 9: like that. And it is it is cinematic and I
Speaker 9: know that it's it's part of a story obviously the
Speaker 9: album that it comes from. Uh, but can you can
Speaker 9: you tell us about that song? And then I do
Speaker 9: want to talk more about the the the Yolanda project.
Speaker 9: But what can you tell us about that single Snake,
Speaker 9: that's the newest one from the album?
Speaker 6: Correct, Yeah, that's right.
Speaker 12: I'm going to just say if I've got a bit
Speaker 12: of an echo.
Speaker 6: Oh, okay, there we go.
Speaker 12: Let's see how's that?
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, you sound better? Yeah? Absolutely perfect.
Speaker 12: So that is the last single that we are releasing
Speaker 12: from the album.
Speaker 15: But it comes sort of early on in a story,
Speaker 15: and essentially that is her asking her partner to stop drinking.
Speaker 15: Oh so she's comparing the snake to alcohol and she's saying,
Speaker 15: do you want to pick me instead?
Speaker 12: Based? Okay, So that's that is the kind of the
Speaker 12: background of that. She she meets a guy.
Speaker 15: And the album tells this story of how they meet,
Speaker 15: and that comes sort of a quarter of the way
Speaker 15: into the story.
Speaker 6: Okay, So.
Speaker 12: I guess quite a cinematic record.
Speaker 6: It truly?
Speaker 16: Is it?
Speaker 6: Truly?
Speaker 12: Is? Thank you?
Speaker 9: Is is the h So the album was called Yolanda
Speaker 9: and I did listen to the entire thing. It's great,
Speaker 9: It's got ten tracks. It certainly does tell a story.
Speaker 11: Is it is it.
Speaker 9: Inspired by anything specific? Is it is it based on anything?
Speaker 9: Did you did you create this story? I mean it
Speaker 9: kind of it almost you know, it almost under sells
Speaker 9: it to call it a story. It's like it as
Speaker 9: I'm listening to it, because like I said, I listened
Speaker 9: to the entire thing from start to finish.
Speaker 6: It kind of creates this whole sort.
Speaker 9: Of world, which I guess is the point of you know,
Speaker 9: when you're telling a story, you don't just want to
Speaker 9: tell what happens, but where it happens, and the environment
Speaker 9: that it happens in, and all the circumstances and so forth.
Speaker 9: But I'm curious about the inspiration for Yolanda.
Speaker 15: I think it was because I was I was writing
Speaker 15: songs that were quite dark, and I wanted to kind
Speaker 15: of carry on exploring that. And if I was to
Speaker 15: write songs about my own life, maybe they'd be a
Speaker 15: bit boring.
Speaker 12: So, you know, if I could.
Speaker 15: Create a character that lived in this kind of combination
Speaker 15: of all the things that I loved so enim O, Tony,
Speaker 15: but also David Lynch, you know, the sort of flamenco.
Speaker 12: Side of things. So I kind of built this story around.
Speaker 15: Some songs, and then the more I thought about her character,
Speaker 15: the more the songs came. And it was also a
Speaker 15: cheeky way for me to write about mine own experience,
Speaker 15: but you don't know what's mine and you don't know
Speaker 15: what's hers.
Speaker 6: Ah.
Speaker 9: Interesting, interesting, of course. Yeah, it's not just about Yolanda
Speaker 9: but Danny of the male protagonists and their starcross lovers
Speaker 9: in nineteen fifties Mexico. And I'm curious about your what
Speaker 9: came first? Did the story come first and then the
Speaker 9: sound that you create is sort of to a sort
Speaker 9: of in service of that story or did you already
Speaker 9: have this sound, because like I said, your sound is
Speaker 9: not something that you necessarily hear in twenty twenty six,
Speaker 9: it is very evocative of another time and that guitar
Speaker 9: style and whatnot.
Speaker 6: What came first?
Speaker 15: I think singing in that particular way and using the
Speaker 15: Prginian scale, which is sort of what Flamenco music comes from.
Speaker 12: It's sort of quite ingrained.
Speaker 15: So my dad's family are Sofardi, so they but from Spain,
Speaker 15: so I think it literally is kind of genetic thing.
Speaker 15: But because I really love that kind of music, it
Speaker 15: was also a cheeky way for me to lean into
Speaker 15: that and think, what.
Speaker 12: Can I do that's different? You know, how can I
Speaker 12: make my music tell a story that has something different
Speaker 12: to offer?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 15: And I really obsessed with films, so I really wanted
Speaker 15: to write music that was been cinematic. But I think
Speaker 15: that that style of music came first, and then I
Speaker 15: thought what's going to fit and the two kind of
Speaker 15: just came in tandem.
Speaker 12: If that makes any sense, No.
Speaker 6: It does.
Speaker 9: It definitely does. That makes a lot of sense. And
Speaker 9: when you started this, did you intend for this to
Speaker 9: be an entire album and an entire story. I'm curious
Speaker 9: if that was the if that's how you went into
Speaker 9: this project, or or did it start as maybe a
Speaker 9: song or two songs and then at some point you
Speaker 9: thought I could make an entire story out of this.
Speaker 15: It was it was always to do an album, absolutely,
Speaker 15: And I think what would happen is I would write
Speaker 15: a Yolanda song, and then I maybe would write a
Speaker 15: couple of other, like just Emma songs, and sometimes the
Speaker 15: style of those other songs would be different. Yeah, And
Speaker 15: I was kind of creating this body of work for
Speaker 15: this record, and it's taken about two years because I've
Speaker 15: written other songs, you know, in the meanwhile, and I
Speaker 15: thought I was done, and then I recently wrote another
Speaker 15: song and I was like, oh no, it's another Yland song.
Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, well it worked out. It's interesting to
Speaker 6: me about how.
Speaker 9: You know, I refer to them, I think as a
Speaker 9: star across lovers in nineteen fifties Mexico. But there's there's
Speaker 9: also there's something very relatable in here, and you talked
Speaker 9: about it when explaining what Snake is about. Something relatable
Speaker 9: about addiction really kind of interfering, getting in the way,
Speaker 9: with getting in the way in between two people who
Speaker 9: are hopefully in some sort of a healthy relationship.
Speaker 6: But alcohol, I mean again.
Speaker 9: It's very relatable because so many of us have either
Speaker 9: experienced that or no people who have experienced that, where
Speaker 9: alcohol or some other addiction, you know, whether it's drugs
Speaker 9: or whatever it may be, or even things that are
Speaker 9: psychologically addictive, not necessarily chemically addictive, but how that can
Speaker 9: really kind of you know, that one thing can just
Speaker 9: wreck everything. It can wreck everything in your life, but
Speaker 9: it can certainly wreck everything in your relationship as well.
Speaker 9: So I would imagine, and you can tell me if
Speaker 9: I'm right about this, but I would imagine you've heard
Speaker 9: from some feedback from people who've listened to this, whether
Speaker 9: they've listened to that song or they've listened to the
Speaker 9: entire album. We've said, you know, I understand the story
Speaker 9: isn't you know? It's from another time in another place.
Speaker 9: But I can relate to this. I can relate to
Speaker 9: what this story is about.
Speaker 12: Oh yeah, absolutely.
Speaker 15: And I've had some people that have said, You've got
Speaker 15: You've really got this sort of nailed bef on the hat,
Speaker 15: and I think it's something that kind of comes up
Speaker 15: throughout the record. So Marie Ray is also about its
Speaker 15: final plea, and it's saying, I can see that you
Speaker 15: are disappearing because the word maria ra is Italian and
Speaker 15: it means both to die and made okay at the
Speaker 15: same time. And I think that's what addiction can do.
Speaker 15: It can make the person just disappear. So absolutely a
Speaker 15: lot of people have said they relate. And even that
Speaker 15: Here I Go is about her recognizing do I stick
Speaker 15: with this? And if I do, am I complicit somehow?
Speaker 15: Or do I clear off and start again? And that
Speaker 15: feels really scary, But it's it's also about reflecting on
Speaker 15: yourself in that situation and saying, oh.
Speaker 12: Is this to do with me?
Speaker 6: Is this to do with them?
Speaker 12: You know? And ultimately you can't get someone else to
Speaker 12: stop like it's their own.
Speaker 6: Choice exactly exactly one hundred.
Speaker 9: I think that's something most well, people who've been in
Speaker 9: that situation, they wind up up learning, whether they you know,
Speaker 9: figure it out earlier, they learn it the hard way
Speaker 9: over time.
Speaker 6: But yeah, yeah, very very relatable. Absolutely.
Speaker 9: Can you tell us about your collaborators on the album
Speaker 9: You you do? You play all the guitar? Is all
Speaker 9: the guitar you?
Speaker 12: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Okay, so you're you're the guitar and all the vocals
Speaker 6: as well, yeah okay, yeah yeah.
Speaker 15: And then with some of the older tracks, I've had
Speaker 15: people like Matt Kosher who produced a lot of the
Speaker 15: older songs, so things like some Blood where the Roses Grow,
Speaker 15: and he also played the based on those. And now
Speaker 15: I have a brilliant new bassis called Haley Wright, so
Speaker 15: she played based on Hyde, which was the most recent song. Okay,
Speaker 15: and that's the last song that I wrote. But it's
Speaker 15: it's it doesn't come at the end of the story,
Speaker 15: so I wrote it in a really weird order.
Speaker 9: Well no, you know what though, that makes sense because
Speaker 9: when when they're making a film, for example, when a
Speaker 9: director is making a film, they don't they don't shoot
Speaker 9: the scenes in the order that they're happening in the film.
Speaker 9: It would be logistically, uh possible, I suppose it would be,
Speaker 9: but in terms of keeping in with in with their budget.
Speaker 9: So it's it makes sense to me that you know,
Speaker 9: you've made something that's cinematic, but yeah, it's it hasn't
Speaker 9: all been done in order that that makes complete sense
Speaker 9: to me. Now I'm curious too about in terms of
Speaker 9: the making of this album, how hard.
Speaker 15: Is it to.
Speaker 6: Well, let me ask it this way.
Speaker 9: Obviously, when you're conceiving of these songs and and they
Speaker 9: they're creating the story, how hard is it to capture
Speaker 9: that in the studio what it is that you have
Speaker 9: in mind?
Speaker 6: Because it's one thing. You know, it's one thing.
Speaker 9: If you're just going to record a three chord rock song,
Speaker 9: you know that's it's pretty standard, and you know, you
Speaker 9: kind of know what you want, and probably your producer
Speaker 9: kind of knows what you want, and it's easy. But
Speaker 9: with something like this, you've really got to bring your
Speaker 9: idea to life in a way that that not only
Speaker 9: sounds good and i sonically pleasing to you, but also
Speaker 9: makes the whole story work as well. So I'm curious
Speaker 9: how challenging that is with something that's a project that
Speaker 9: again is unique. This isn't something that you hear every.
Speaker 12: Day, Oh thank you. It's definitely something that's come with experience.
Speaker 15: When I was about twenty something, I recorded an entire
Speaker 15: album and actually I just I didn't like it. It
Speaker 15: wasn't it wasn't what I wanted it to be. And
Speaker 15: I think I really learned from that experience. So I
Speaker 15: think with this one, I would have guide tracks. So
Speaker 15: I would say to my producer, I want it to
Speaker 15: sound like Nancy Sinatra, or I want it to sound
Speaker 15: like this Ni MORICONI track, you know, or make the
Speaker 15: guitar sound like this, you know.
Speaker 12: So I was really really clear about what it was
Speaker 12: after r you know, can we have a bit of
Speaker 12: film without the gun you know? On this? So I
Speaker 12: would have a really clear i'd say vision, but it
Speaker 12: was an audio vision, you know, of what it was
Speaker 12: that I was after.
Speaker 15: And I'm really particular about who I would work with.
Speaker 15: So We've had different producers on the record, but I
Speaker 15: know that I can communicate with all of them and
Speaker 15: be really honest and go, I don't like, can we
Speaker 15: can we change it? So I I would co produce
Speaker 15: that wasn't in charge of, you know, all the knobs
Speaker 15: and the butts, but but it was very much me
Speaker 15: going more of this, yes, please, you.
Speaker 12: Know, and I think that's how we ended up the
Speaker 12: product that we were really proud of.
Speaker 9: H And what about in terms of who plays on
Speaker 9: the on the on the album, because again we're you
Speaker 9: have something very very specific and clear that that you
Speaker 9: want to create. Uh, you know, like I said, it's
Speaker 9: not like creating a it's not like you know, just
Speaker 9: recording a three three chord rock song. Was it was
Speaker 9: it challenging at all to find the right players to
Speaker 9: contribute to the album.
Speaker 6: In that way.
Speaker 15: So the first so four of the tracks I did
Speaker 15: before it even formed my band. Oh, and that was
Speaker 15: about me going, what sound have I got? This is
Speaker 15: the start of her theory, and I'm going to get
Speaker 15: it right and then bring it to the table. So
Speaker 15: then I found the drummer, and then for a long
Speaker 15: time it was me and Tom Broce the drummer, and
Speaker 15: then producers that I would work with would then maybe
Speaker 15: add like a little bit of extra guitar.
Speaker 12: Or more specifically bass.
Speaker 15: I would add since bits as well, which we want
Speaker 15: to reintroduce actually to our live aack now.
Speaker 16: Yeah.
Speaker 15: So and then when we met Hatley, because it took
Speaker 15: a long time to decide if we wanted a bassist
Speaker 15: because I use a looper live, so I didn't want
Speaker 15: to throw that element of the live music. And that's
Speaker 15: what you don't get from the record that when I
Speaker 15: play live, I leap all of these harmonies.
Speaker 12: Oh wow, yeah, you should come and come and see,
Speaker 12: come and hang Outnxford. Yeah.
Speaker 15: So it's important to me to get that element of
Speaker 15: layering and of that repetition, you know, different musical components.
Speaker 12: But it's actually a really small group of us that play.
Speaker 15: Yeah, and then things like the trumpet is someone that
Speaker 15: I met through a friend who runs a festival, and
Speaker 15: Rosie plays the violin and.
Speaker 12: Then she's Tom's mum, so that works.
Speaker 6: Out perfect perfect? Is is how hard?
Speaker 11: Well?
Speaker 6: How important is it to you?
Speaker 9: I'll ask it this way, How important is it to
Speaker 9: you to to be able to recreate that sound when
Speaker 9: you're playing it live?
Speaker 6: Or is it?
Speaker 9: Because obviously you know a lot of artists when they
Speaker 9: play live, they're not going to get what's on the
Speaker 9: record exactly, but they're but they're cool with it because
Speaker 9: it kind of doesn't matter necessarily depending on what they're doing.
Speaker 9: And some artists are very particular about that. I mean,
Speaker 9: how important is that to you? Because that's got to
Speaker 9: be a challenge too. I mean again, you know, we
Speaker 9: talked about the challenge of creating this in the studio,
Speaker 9: but but then to recreate that live? Are are you
Speaker 9: concerned with that? I would imagine you could probably overthink
Speaker 9: it if you're not careful. But but how much of
Speaker 9: a concern is that for you? Or do you just
Speaker 9: not worry about that part?
Speaker 15: Now? I definitely wanted to get the sound live first, yeah,
Speaker 15: and then I was like, this is how I want
Speaker 15: it to sound, and then that that was what I
Speaker 15: took to the studio. And actually it's been a quicker
Speaker 15: way of recording. The last song that we recorded was
Speaker 15: High and before that was Gates of Love and that
Speaker 15: was a much more live process and using like vintage
Speaker 15: jamps to you know, get that really lovely weaper surf
Speaker 15: guitar sound.
Speaker 12: You know, so.
Speaker 15: Getting it to sound great live is really important and
Speaker 15: I am particular.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, yeah, is that is it really hard to
Speaker 6: get that?
Speaker 9: I mean I would imagine some shows are easier to
Speaker 9: capture that than others depending on the venue and and
Speaker 9: you know what the house pa is like and all
Speaker 9: of that. I mean, there's there's so much there's a
Speaker 9: lot that can go wrong, certainly. And again, what what
Speaker 9: you're doing is is, uh, you know, because you have
Speaker 9: a specific sound. I mean, does anything ever go wrong
Speaker 9: with that? Where you go that really wasn't what I
Speaker 9: wanted when you're at the end of at the end
Speaker 9: of a show, or or is it all going pretty smoothly?
Speaker 12: I mean it tends to.
Speaker 15: Go easily because I've got like a particular sound, like
Speaker 15: I used to my guitar that I've made. I did
Speaker 15: have a gig the other day where I break my
Speaker 15: rule and I switched guitars. I got the acoustic out
Speaker 15: and I couldn't hear it when I was playing, and
Speaker 15: I stopped the song.
Speaker 12: And I've never done that before, but I just went, no,
Speaker 12: I can't hear a thing.
Speaker 6: Oh no, kidding.
Speaker 15: Yeah, And sometimes the leaper won't always work. You've got
Speaker 15: to really stamp on it. And so that that's the
Speaker 15: thing that it makes the sound, because it creates that lush,
Speaker 15: you know, kind of soundscape of like layered vocals, but
Speaker 15: that also has potential to be a bit of a gremlin.
Speaker 9: Technology will fail us at times, certainly, but that's that's
Speaker 9: the enture of it all. Yeah, and you're now, do
Speaker 9: you have some festivals coming up or you're going to
Speaker 9: be doing some festivals.
Speaker 12: Yeah, so we're playing at wood Festival, We're playing at
Speaker 12: a Riverside festival as well, into my Yeah, so we
Speaker 12: might we might add some more festivals into the mix.
Speaker 12: We'll see.
Speaker 9: Yeah, that's that's fantastic. I've noticed all the all the
Speaker 9: guests that we have on the show. You know, we
Speaker 9: have a lot of guests from the UK and and
Speaker 9: there's always a heavy emphasis on on playing festivals, which
Speaker 9: I think is which I think is fantastic. And we
Speaker 9: have a lot of festivals in the United States too.
Speaker 9: But you know, the thing that I tell everybody, you know,
Speaker 9: because I'm a music industry guy, is festivals are are
Speaker 9: amazing because not only does it get you in front
Speaker 9: of a potentially huge crowd and exposes you to a
Speaker 9: large audience that might not otherwise be aware of you
Speaker 9: or or maybe somewhat aware of you, but now they're
Speaker 9: going to going to get to see you live and
Speaker 9: be very aware of you. But also just the the
Speaker 9: networking opportunities, you know, in terms of the industry side
Speaker 9: of it, the other artists that you'll meet, the other
Speaker 9: UH promoters and and everybody managers and this. You can
Speaker 9: make so many incredible connections at a festival. So I
Speaker 9: think it's great that you're doing festivals. Like I said,
Speaker 9: that seems to be the trend with all the UK
Speaker 9: artists that we have on the show. Seemed to really
Speaker 9: understand how important that is. And UH and and that's fantastic.
Speaker 9: And you're already having some success anyway, right like Snake
Speaker 9: has been getting or I don't know, Snake is the
Speaker 9: newest single I know, but but you've gotten some some
Speaker 9: radio airplay over there with this album.
Speaker 6: Correct, Oh yeah, yeah, good good.
Speaker 15: We've we've done We've done well with it. It's breaking
Speaker 15: the national radio shows and that that what's tricky.
Speaker 9: Yeah, no doubt, because again you have a sound that
Speaker 9: it doesn't necessarily comport with, you know, with with a
Speaker 9: lot of what's out today who.
Speaker 6: Which reminds me too, I'm curious.
Speaker 9: About who inspires you, who inspires your sound, Who's a
Speaker 9: big influence on you sonically.
Speaker 12: So we've talked about an your Money. Yes, I absolutely
Speaker 12: love Anna Colvey.
Speaker 15: She's she's amazing and does similar things with sort of
Speaker 15: exploring a bit of flamenco.
Speaker 12: Kind of influencing that David Lynch darkness.
Speaker 15: I also absolutely loved David Bowie, just from the perspective
Speaker 15: of being an amazing songwriter, you know, having really good
Speaker 15: melodies and songs, and that idea of it being quite
Speaker 15: character driven.
Speaker 12: Love p J. Harvey, She's been a massive influence for
Speaker 12: a really really long time.
Speaker 15: But also things like trip hop, you know, massive attack
Speaker 15: point his head, so like a really big old range,
Speaker 15: you know, Johnny Cash. You know, there's a lot of
Speaker 15: I've really got into the milk cart and recently as well.
Speaker 12: Okay, yeah, who were from the state So excellent? Yeah, all.
Speaker 9: Very good, very good, Emma. We're gonna so we'll let
Speaker 9: you go in a moment. This has been wonderful. Like
Speaker 9: I said, I really I listened to the whole album.
Speaker 9: I think it's amazing. Absolutely, So a couple just a
Speaker 9: couple more things before we let you go. So uh,
Speaker 9: we are going to end our conversation with another track
Speaker 9: from the album, Yolanda, but kind of putting you on
Speaker 9: the spot here, what should we play at the end
Speaker 9: of the segment, I'll let you pick.
Speaker 12: I would say here, I go, here, I go Okay,
Speaker 12: all right, ye catches.
Speaker 9: One okay, the catchiest one. Okay, very good, very good.
Speaker 9: So the other thing, of course, I want to make
Speaker 9: sure our listeners know where should they go online? Where's
Speaker 9: the best place to go online to keep up with
Speaker 9: everything that you are doing, Emma Hunter. Whether they want
Speaker 9: to find uh the album Yolanda, or they just want
Speaker 9: to follow you and and they want to know where
Speaker 9: they can see you live and what you're up doing
Speaker 9: all of that. Where should people go online?
Speaker 15: So if you follow us on Instagram, I'm much better
Speaker 15: at updating that else. So it's Emma Hunter Music is
Speaker 15: our is our tagline on Instagram?
Speaker 6: Okay.
Speaker 12: But also so if you look up Emma Hunter music
Speaker 12: on band camp, you'll find us. You can get in
Speaker 12: the States.
Speaker 6: Company absolutely yeah.
Speaker 15: And then we are on all the other things you know,
Speaker 15: Apple Music, Spotify, but band Camp and Instagram is probably
Speaker 15: the best place outstanding.
Speaker 9: I'm a big advocate for band camp because what I
Speaker 9: what I like to tell everyone. You you realize this,
Speaker 9: I'm sure, but what what some people don't know. Is
Speaker 9: that the file If you download a track on on
Speaker 9: band camp, if you purchase a file, you're getting you're
Speaker 9: getting a high quality file. And it's a much better
Speaker 9: way to listen to music than to say, you know,
Speaker 9: just streaming it on YouTube or something where you're getting
Speaker 9: you know, not not as not as good quality. And
Speaker 9: to some people that doesn't matter. But if or someone
Speaker 9: like me, obviously that matters, and so I encourage everyone. Yeah,
Speaker 9: definitely check you out on band Camp. You can get
Speaker 9: access to the entire album there. And like I said,
Speaker 9: I think it's I think it's really really good. And
Speaker 9: one other thing. So, what what's kind of the future
Speaker 9: trajectory for you? Are you already working on the next album.
Speaker 12: I've already written it.
Speaker 15: Oh wow, yeah yeah, and it's got a bit more
Speaker 15: of a kind of dark folk vibe. Okay, but yeah,
Speaker 15: and it's very sort of brutally honest, no hiding behind
Speaker 15: Ylando anymore.
Speaker 12: Oh you know Emma Hunter's dark thoughts.
Speaker 6: Oh okay, all right, cool, cool.
Speaker 12: So we're going to start recording that in gene Oh
Speaker 12: pretty exciting.
Speaker 9: Oh fantastic. Well, when that's ready to go, we'll definitely
Speaker 9: have to have you back on the show.
Speaker 12: Oh, we would absolutely love that.
Speaker 6: Thanks you definitely count on it, count on it.
Speaker 9: All right, very good. So we're going to hit this
Speaker 9: track here I Go from the Yolanda album Emma Hunter again,
Speaker 9: Thank you so much. It is wonderful to have you
Speaker 9: on the show. And we will talk again soon, I'm.
Speaker 6: Sure, brilliant.
Speaker 12: Thank you so much for having me.
Speaker 6: You gotta take care, bye bye, Thank you. All right.
Speaker 9: That was Emma Hunter. And we're gonna play this again.
Speaker 9: This is from the album Yolanda. This is called here
Speaker 9: I Go.
Speaker 3: Here I go, Here I go wandering again? Should I
Speaker 3: leave this place?
Speaker 12: So?
Speaker 3: Should I forget wondering? Wondering?
Speaker 17: What was it for your empty nights covering the kitchen floor?
Speaker 17: If here I go, here I go dragging my feet?
Speaker 17: Should have follow out the side?
Speaker 3: You are black covered streets now you were the girls there?
Speaker 17: You grow up too soon, unfortunately, Dunny.
Speaker 7: Now I am your fool. You say tumble me.
Speaker 14: It said I was black, died, I can't seeped agains see.
Speaker 3: Stay doesn't mean said stin.
Speaker 7: No, I'm bled.
Speaker 18: I can't see then now I'm lied against see still
Speaker 18: as stop black and stop time saying stop.
Speaker 7: The back.
Speaker 14: Set man Sana was Bline Online account sabine.
Speaker 3: Line account see.
Speaker 6: All right, that is Emma Hunter.
Speaker 9: The track is called Here I Go. It is from
Speaker 9: the album Yolanda. And thank you again to Emma Hunter
Speaker 9: for joining us this morning, all the way from.
Speaker 6: The UK via What's App.
Speaker 9: And I really enjoyed speaking with her, and I do
Speaker 9: encourage everybody go to band camp, look up Emma Hunter
Speaker 9: and check out the full album Yolanda. I listened to
Speaker 9: the whole thing from beginning to end. It's really good.
Speaker 9: That was a great story and she's got such a
Speaker 9: cool sound, not something you hear every day, that's for sure.
Speaker 6: This is Matt Connorton Unleashed.
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Speaker 9: It is Saturday April four, twenty twenty six. Jenny and
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Speaker 9: This is from Digital Musicnews dot com Music Publishers x
Speaker 9: copyright lawsuit officially on pause following the Supreme Courts Cox
Speaker 9: decision all Deadlines shelved as a social media platform as
Speaker 9: dismissal so recently on the show, was it last week?
Speaker 9: It was last week, right the Supreme Court, which you know,
Speaker 9: we live in a time where I don't necessarily agree
Speaker 9: with a lot of the rulings. We won't get into that,
Speaker 9: but they got that one right, in my opinion, they
Speaker 9: ruled that an Internet service provider cannot be held liable
Speaker 9: for what its users do in terms of.
Speaker 10: That would have been grotesquely awful of it in terms.
Speaker 9: Of in terms of yeah, in terms of downloading pirated
Speaker 9: music and so forth. But looks like, uh, looks like
Speaker 9: that might uh, well, that.
Speaker 10: Could knock the stuff out of the water. That's yeah,
Speaker 10: ben pending people who have been trying.
Speaker 9: To Yeah, so there's a news story here. So according
Speaker 9: to this, a presiding judge made the pause official.
Speaker 6: Oh wait, let me back up.
Speaker 9: Major music publishers long running copyright infringement lawsuit against x
Speaker 9: so x, of course, being formerly Twitter, is now on
Speaker 9: a hard pause following the Supreme Court's Cocks versus Sony
Speaker 9: Music decision, which is the case I was talking about
Speaker 9: last week. And by the way, that wasn't just Sony Music,
Speaker 9: but UMG was involved in that lawsuit as well as
Speaker 9: other labels. But okay, So this says the presiding judge
Speaker 9: made that pause official in a recent order after the
Speaker 9: publishers and the Elon Musk owned social platform asked the
Speaker 9: court to stay all current deadlines. And the stay request
Speaker 9: didn't come out of left field, as we previously broke down.
Speaker 9: The Supreme Court, in a unanimous unanimous ruling in favor
Speaker 9: of Cox Communications, the internet service provider that was in
Speaker 9: the other lawsuit, found that service providers can be held
Speaker 9: contributorily liable only if they induced user infringement or tailored
Speaker 9: their core offerings to enable infringement. And by the way,
Speaker 9: that's one of the reasons I said I agreed with
Speaker 9: the Supreme Court's unanimous ruling in that case because to me,
Speaker 9: and the analogy I used, is holding Internet service providers
Speaker 9: responsible for everything that their users do. That would be
Speaker 9: akin to holding auto manufacturers responsible every time somebody gets
Speaker 9: into a car accident where somebody accidentally gets killed on
Speaker 9: the highway. You know, oh, you created a product that
Speaker 9: was used in this accident. Therefore you are responsible.
Speaker 13: You know.
Speaker 6: It's absurd. So I agree with the Supreme Court's ruling.
Speaker 6: It says here.
Speaker 9: Naturally, the decisions significance for similar isp repeat piracy cases
Speaker 9: took center stage out of the gate, but the narrow
Speaker 9: secondary liability definition is already factoring into a number of
Speaker 9: copyright cases in and beyond the music world. One of
Speaker 9: the non music cases, textbook publishers copyright and trademark infringement
Speaker 9: show down with Google, which promptly moved to stay discovery
Speaker 9: pending the resolution of the Cocks versus Sony related motion
Speaker 9: for partial judgment. Enter exis push to toss the remainder
Speaker 9: of publishers infringement claims due to the perceived lack of
Speaker 9: secondary liability. So if I'm understanding this correctly, and again
Speaker 9: I'm not a legal expert of any kind, but if
Speaker 9: I understand this correctly, so the argument from X is that, Okay,
Speaker 9: you're not going to hold Cox Communications responsible, you also
Speaker 9: cannot hold X responsible for what our users do on
Speaker 9: our platform if they are infringing on copyright.
Speaker 6: And again I would agree.
Speaker 9: You know, I'm not a big fan of Elon Musk,
Speaker 9: but again I would agree with with that argument.
Speaker 6: You you should not this.
Speaker 9: This has come up, but this has been coming up
Speaker 9: for years, by the way, in terms of social media platforms.
Speaker 6: This concept that some people really believe in.
Speaker 9: That social media platforms should be somehow held responsible for
Speaker 9: everything that their users do, and that they should be
Speaker 9: held liable for that that everything that their users do
Speaker 9: on their platforms. And these social media platforms already police
Speaker 9: that stuff. But if you're going to make it so
Speaker 9: that these social media platforms are liable for every single
Speaker 9: thing that users do that might infringe on a copyright
Speaker 9: or or may break some law, or then or you
Speaker 9: will end you will end social media.
Speaker 10: Yeah, you say boo about somebody and suddenly there's a lawsuit.
Speaker 10: But the Internet company is going to heck of a
Speaker 10: lot more money than the average person. So if there's
Speaker 10: a street to their bank account, everybody's gonna get off
Speaker 10: and take it.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah, you would end social media if you're gonna
Speaker 6: hold you know, if you're gonna hold everything responsible for
Speaker 6: every little thing that people post.
Speaker 12: How does YouTube do boo do videos?
Speaker 6: Right?
Speaker 10: Because then if it's running on Exfinity, Exfinity is liable
Speaker 10: for everything that gets played on YouTube.
Speaker 6: Right. Yeah, you can't. Yeah, you can't do it. You
Speaker 6: can't do it.
Speaker 10: Oh every once in a while to get something right.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, says here. It's against this backdrop.
Speaker 9: With a dismissal demand looming large that both sides requested
Speaker 9: a stay of all deadlines in the current schedule so
Speaker 9: they could meet and confer regarding the appropriate next steps
Speaker 9: for this litigation, and with Judge Aletta Trouger having signed
Speaker 9: off on the request as mentioned, the litigants are expected
Speaker 9: to submit a joint schedule proposal by next Wednesday, April eighth,
Speaker 9: So this Wednesday coming up actually, besides addressing X's anticipated
Speaker 9: attempt to end the litigation, said schedule will cover the
Speaker 9: plaintiff's opposition and possible motions to amend the complaint and
Speaker 9: or seek reconsideration of the prior partial dismissal. On the
Speaker 9: latter front, it's been two years in change since the
Speaker 9: court dismissed vicarious and direct infringement claims against X, and
Speaker 9: while it's unclear what the reconsideration requests may look like,
Speaker 9: the possible descriptor is important here. The plaintiffs only indicated
Speaker 9: that they may file related motions. Time will tell where
Speaker 9: this definitive pause leads the year's running case and what's
Speaker 9: in store for other infringement disputes impacted by Cox versus Sony.
Speaker 9: As noted, different isp disputes jump out. The major label
Speaker 9: suit against Altis was gearing up for a jury trial
Speaker 9: until being stayed pending the Supreme Court's determination, But so
Speaker 9: do complaints like Epidemic Sounds nearly four year old first
Speaker 9: copyright action against Meta. Last week, the Facebook parent formally
Speaker 9: moved to invoke Cox versus Sony into its summary judgment motion.
Speaker 9: The presiding judge granted the request, and Meta has until
Speaker 9: April sixteenth to file a supplemental brief addressing the impact
Speaker 9: of Cox communications, in other words, addressing the impact of
Speaker 9: that ruling. So the Supreme Court has effectively set a
Speaker 9: precedent here with their ruling in Cox versus Sony, saying
Speaker 9: that you cannot hold you cannot hold Internet service providers,
Speaker 9: whether it be an ISP or perhaps whether it be
Speaker 9: a social media platform, you cannot hold them liable and
Speaker 9: responsible for every little thing that every user does on
Speaker 9: their platform that might be illegal or you know, or
Speaker 9: maybe not necessarily illegally illegal, but might be something that
Speaker 9: might cause a civil action, you know, defaming someone's character,
Speaker 9: et cetera. And by the way, all these social media
Speaker 9: platforms already have rules against that kind of thing, but
Speaker 9: it's up to them to enforce them, and they're not
Speaker 9: always going to get it right, and sometimes they sometimes
Speaker 9: is almost an overcorrection, if that's the right term, because
Speaker 9: sometimes people get caught up in a net. You know,
Speaker 9: it's happened to me. I mean, I've run into problems
Speaker 9: with YouTube. Not recently, not for a while, but I've
Speaker 9: run into problems with YouTube where I've been flagged for
Speaker 9: things in my YouTube videos where it's like, well, wait
Speaker 9: a minute, I'm being flagged for something I didn't too
Speaker 9: or I'm being flagged for saying something I'm not allowed
Speaker 9: to say on YouTube, but I wasn't saying it. I
Speaker 9: was actually quoting someone else who had said it, and
Speaker 9: I was using that as an example of what that
Speaker 9: person said. That particular thing has caught me a few
Speaker 9: times because they have the bots that patrol the videos,
Speaker 9: and then a hears me say something that again, it's
Speaker 9: not me saying it, it's me repeating something someone else said,
Speaker 9: and then I'm refuting it that exact thing has happened
Speaker 9: to me, and then YouTube flags it, and then I
Speaker 9: get a strike on my account, and then I have
Speaker 9: to appeal to strike, and da da da da da,
Speaker 9: And it's a whole thing. But I would not expect
Speaker 9: anyone as frustrated as I might get with YouTube. I
Speaker 9: would not expect there to be I would not expect
Speaker 9: YouTube to be legally liable for anything that I do.
Speaker 9: You know, whether I'm being held accountable for something I
Speaker 9: actually did or something that a bot has decided that
Speaker 9: I did. But I kind of vented a little bit
Speaker 9: about YouTube because I have gotten caught up in that net.
Speaker 9: But my point being, these social media companies already police
Speaker 9: that It's never going to be perfect, but we don't
Speaker 9: need laws or rulings in terms of civil penalties that
Speaker 9: hold them accountable for something that.
Speaker 12: You couldn't.
Speaker 9: It would be an unreasonable standard. Old any business or
Speaker 9: industry to that standard, it would be unreasonable. All right,
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