Matt Connarton Unleashed 5-2-23

Welcome everybody. Here we go Happy Tuesday. It is that time again,

Matt Connerton unleashed and we are live from the studios of w m n H

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lengths, contact info, show archives, et cetera, et cetera. Today

is Tuesday, May second, twenty twenty three, and I'm not alone.

Hello, Jenny is here at the news desk. Yes, I am present.

Yes, I am present. I do not know about my brain,

but I am. Oh my yes, should keep it in your head and

you always know where it is. That's true. Uh, it's there,

but I'm just not able to brain today. Oh I see, I see.

Yeah, so, uh, we don't. We don't always see Jenny

on Tuesday, of course. But we have a wonderful musical guest coming in

who I know you're excited about, except we're not sure if his name is

Abner two or Abner the second because it's Abner with the Roman numeral too after

it. So is it the Roman number two or is it just a lowercase

L. Well, it's two of them. It's two eyes. It looks

like so it looks like the Roman numeral two to me. I'm gonna have

to ask him how to say that. Yeah, I'm excited about him.

He plays the viola, yes, which we've never had correct that I can

remember. Yes, and he does like this looping thing. It was actually

slim volume that suggested that we have him on the show. Oh, okay,

recommendations very seriously. Yes, I'm very seriously do Yeah. So I'm

excited for this. That's why I wanted to be in studiosus. I want

to see him play live. I've never seen anything like that. I've never

actually seen anybody doing looping live in front of me. I seen it in

videos. Yes, So I am excited to see this. Yes, yep.

So he'll be joining us in the second hour, So I look forward

to that. Yes, Yes, tomorrow on the show, we've got a

factory of art. They are German. Yesterday, are skiping in from Germany.

It will be eleven o'clock their time. Because they're actually going to stipe

in it, like I think they're stiping in it. Yeah, five,

they're skip in a five. Okay for a moment there, I confused myself.

I got confused with the one that's coming up from Italy. And do

we know if Heather Stockwell is coming in, he is not going to be

able to come this week. She will reschedule with us for another time.

Oh okay, I'll have to let Eric Pilcher know because we were going to

do that weekly segment with Eric starting next Wednesday, but we can actually start

it this week. There is some more, there is some new uh Stephen

Crowder news. Ye, so, but I'll save that for when, for

when Eric joins us. Yes, yes, agreed, agreed? Yes,

well, very good, very good. Yeah. So Abner two or Abner

the second will be coming up in the second hour today. I'm going with

Abner. Yeah, we'll see you said second, I say too. I

think I think the second you think second, I think too. But if

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everybody in the Facebook live chat. Fredo or I like to say his full

name, of course, Alfredo Enrique Benavitis joins us in the Facebook live chat,

says shout out to Gordon Lightfoot. Yes, that's something I didn't mentioned.

We didn't get to yesterday on the show, Gordon Lightfoot passed away at

age eighty four. You know, it's funny too, because I don't remember

if it was on air or off air. I'm pretty sure it was on

air on Retro Spectrum Radio with paulc relatively recently. We we're talking about we're

talking about Gordon Lightfoot, and Paul was saying that, you know, even

at eighty four, he was still touring, and then sure enough I looked

it up and yeah, he was still actively touring so, but yes,

he has passed away at age eighty four. I'm not sure what the cause

of death was. I actually did not hear that. Well, we'll look

at this quickly and then we'll go. I watched some of Alfredo's videos.

He does bit videos with playing with him playing. He's enormously talented. He's

seriously several great bands of course, Dank Sinatra and Cosmic Blossom and very talented.

I don't know if he's still playing with the faith n band, but

yeah, very talented. And of course he yeah, he posted videos of

him just by himself which are amazing. But yeah, just quickly. Uh,

this is from the ap. Gordon Lightfoot, the folk singer songwriter known

for If You Could Read My Mind and Sundown. Yes, we did discuss

it on Retrospect your radio. I remember now because we played Sundown and for

songs that told tales of Canadian identity, died Monday. He was eighty four.

He died at a Toronto hospital. His cause of death was not immediately

available. Okay, so we don't know why he passed away yet, but

yes, so shout out and Gordon Lightfoot passing away. Yeah, there's a

there's a picture. Of him on stage here he looked, Yeah, he

definitely toured right to the end. Wow, these guys do because, especially

in their day, the contracts stunk for artists. Things are a little bit

better than they were back then. But I think that some of these guys

end up playing as long as they do because they don't get the revenue that

they should off of their earlier work. Yeah. Well there's also some of

that too, is Um. Sometimes artists can't get off the road for financial

reasons because and this happens more often than people realize. The Grateful Dead,

for example, on themselves in this situation, they had such a such an

infrastructure. Because if you have a lot of people working for you, um,

in terms of management and everything else you've got going on promotion and so

forth. Um, especially if you keep some of these people under contract,

some of your your touring uh personnel under contract, even when you're not actively

on tour, it ends up costing a lot of money. So you can

you can get into a cycle. It's it's um. You can actually be

a victim of your own success in this way. And again this happens more

often in the music industry than than ever really gets talked about, but you

can be a victim of your own success in the sense that you can be

so successful as a tour enact that you know, yeah, there's there's a

lot of money coming in if you're a big successful tour enact, but there's

also a lot of money going out, and you've got to keep enough money

coming in to cover your nut, as they say, to to have enough

money to cover the money that goes out. I kind of like with the

debt ceiling, which we'll get to. But but so that's that's the reason

too. You know, some of these artists, they pushed themselves past the

point of really, you know, where it can be pretty difficult to continue

to do what they do. But they're they're under a lot of financial pressure

to keep going because a lot of people are depending on them, people that

they work with and people who work for them. Arrowsmith is going to finally

do their last tour. Yeah, oh thought that recently. Yep, yep.

I'm not surprised though. Fifty coming up on fifty years for them,

Yeah easyg Eric Agne is in the chairman, says Hi, Matt, Jenny

and my many peeps. Hello, Hello there, darling. Glad to see

you. Melanie law Liberty from the Great State of Vermont joins us and says,

hey, guys, And she said to Eric easyg aren't you just itching

to block me? Because he has a tendency to do that. And Jenny,

I see here in the chatroom as well. I'm everywhere there. Uh,

let's see. Uh. Melanie said, uh, are you sure you

can tell what anybody said? Melanie's been in Melanie sometimes when you say,

Melanie said, I wonder will you be able to con finish? All?

Right? Right? Yeah? Sometimes? Uh yeah, yeah, she's she's

just at she's daring Eric to block her. I think Jay fed also in

the Facebook live chat, Hello, um now, uh, Fredo, I

think this is in reference to our guest today. We don't know if it's

Abner two or Abner the second. Fredo says, does he have bandmates?

Which are the number two? On other forms different languages? Written out phonetically

said the number two could be dose, could be duo, could be due,

d e u X, or deuce. That's true. There there are

a lot of possibilities there. I suppose they're endless. Isaac Banks joins us

in the Facebook live chat. Uh from Greensboro, North Carolina. Of course,

Isaac says good afternoon, hashtag Matt and hashtag Jen, and I like

to give a morning shout out to My best friend. Is Luchera Huntley from

Atlanta, Georgia. She lives in Greensboro, North Carolina. Does she listen

us? I hope so. She and me been talking on the phone.

She is my best friend. Hi hashtag Luchier Huntley. I would like to

thank you for your good advice. Well, I would like to thank uh

Luchera Huntley for giving good advice to our friend Isaac Banks from Greensboro, North

Carolina. I think that is wonderful. I think I would like to thank

you for not having as many hashtags in that one. Yeah, there's a

picked up on the Yeah there's only there's only three uh six O three two

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seven Before we get to anything else too. I wanted to I happen to

see this on media. I know we've had an awful lot of time.

It's ironic Tucker Carlson gets fired and yet we have so much of him on

the show. In terms of things to talk about but this just kind of

you had brought this up yesterday, this specifically, So I saw this,

I thought we should mention it. This is from media new leaked video shows

Tucker Carlson flipping off critics and discussing his quote post menopausal fans and a quote

yummy woman. So you had brought this up yesterday. So I'm not going

to play the actual video in case his profanity in it, because I didn't

have a chance to pre screen it. I mean, he does do profane

things with his fingers, both of them. He's flipping the double bird in

this still shot from the video, but it says here. The fallout from

Tucker Carlson's Fox News auster has led to the leak of videos showing crass comments

the host made off the air. You know, I love all the behind

the scenes stuff. In the days after Carlson was fired from the network,

multiple reports claimed his ouster wasn't part fueled by network leadership learning, as a

New York Times put it of quote highly offensive and crude remarks unquote. The

Times reported that they reviewed some off air footage of Carlson talking about whether his

quote postmenopausal fans unquote will approve of his looks, as well as another video

where he commented that someone else's girlfriend was quote yummy. Well. The liberal

watchdog Media Matters is now obtained and published those videos. The news story comes

after they published on Monday leaked footage of Carlson trashing Fox Nation, the network

streaming platform. It remains unclear where these videos came from. It defies logic

that Fox News leadership with leak videos of an ex host trashing the network's vanted

streaming platform to Media Matters, of all places. It may be the case

of Media Matters obtained the footage from the same source as The Times, whoever

that may be. In one video, Carlson comments about the woman he finds

yummy, which also includes him flipping the bird at Media Matters because he accurately

predicted they'd get this video of him someday. And he says, oh,

yeah, sure enough. There is profanity in the video. Good thing I

didn't play it. He says, Hey, Media Matters for America, go

blank yourself. That's the first thing I want to say tonight. The second

thing is totally kidding. I don't even know what his girlfriend looks like,

and if I did, I would not find her yummy ut all right.

Another clip showed Carlson talking to Fox Nation host Peers Morgan before an interview during

which Carlson invites Morgan to chat about their sexual techniques. I'm not going to

read that bit of dialogue on the air. It would not be appropriate for

Afternoon Drive. And finally, there's a clip of the X Fox host on

the set of Tucker Carlson Today, remarking, quote, I can never assess

my appearance. I wait for my post menopausal fans to weigh in on that.

Unquote, Well, this is just, uh, you know, that's

just you know, off air stuff that somebody recorded. But the thing though,

that you always want to be aware of and uh is that you know,

when you're in a when you're in a television studio, or you're in

front of a live mike in a radio studio or wherever it is, you've

always got to be cognizant of the fact that and I mean there's nothing there

that's you know, like a scandalous or anything, but you do have to

always be cognizant of the fact that someone might be recording you, because what

happens is if someone doesn't if you don't treat your people well and someone doesn't

like you. That leaked video. Even pre Internet, this would happen where

a video might get leaked. For example, this goes way back to Bill

O'Reilly. It's probably the most famous example of this happening Bill O'Reilly when he

was on what was the name of the show A current affair? Is that

the No no, the other show that's similar to that point, No,

no, no, it was whatever the name of the show was before he

went to Fox and did the O'Reilly Factor. Yeah, it was inside Edition.

I think I think it's inside edition. You know you've seen it,

right, the video of him freaking out, which is hilarious because yeah,

yeah, because he becomes so irrationally angry. But that was even before the

Internet was really big that that leaked out. But that's an example of somebody's

always recording or a personal favorite of mine from a few years ago, Laurence

O'Donnell on MSNBC during a commercial break, somebody that the tape was rolling,

and somebody used it against him. He if you've seen that one to stop

the hammering, I don't know if I've said, oh, it's hilarious one

I'd play that, but that's studio. That's also got profanity in it.

Yeah, you're in the studio. Why don't you assume everything's on tape?

Come on? And maybe he just didn't care. Maybe he was so blinded

by his rage that because it was like, O'Reilly level rage. Hey you

know they're both Irish, you know, so they got those Irish tempers.

I can say that and it's not racist because I'm Irish. So um.

But uh yeah, Oh the Laurence O'Donnell one is great because apparently this so

he here's the sound. They're in a break and he here's the sound of

somebody hammering, and he's like screaming, stop the hammering, and they get

Phil Griffin on the phone, Phil Griffin, the head of MSNBC. I

want to talk to Phil Griffin about the hammering. Oh he just loses his

mind. And it's fantastic. I love that kind of stuff. But anyway,

I wanted to look at that quickly because you had mentioned yesterday Tucker Carlson's

comments about post menopozzle women that it was offensive, and from my standpoint,

I don't think pre menopozzle women or post mental pozzle women are gonna find much

attraction in that guy. Oh he can be all yummy all he wants to.

But what about when he had the bow tie? You know, didn't

find him attractive that No, no, no, I mean for the ones

out there that go for money, sure, but if you want substance,

oh heck, now he's got a lot of money. That's about it.

Melanie in the chat room says, I have an annual blocking quota. I

like to meet in the first six months of the year. Takes the pressure

off of me. You are such a troublemaker. Isaac Banks says hashtag Matt,

I'm meant to say I want to give a good afternoon shout to Luchera

Huntley. Sorry hashtag Matt and hashtag Jen. Noting the correct time of day

when giving shoutouts is extraordinarily important because if you give if you give a morning

shout out in the afternoon, it might not still be valid. And I'm

glad that Isaac I realized that. Isaac Banks also says in the chat room,

Hello John Sasser McKee the fifth we will like to join a pop singing

group in Peppermint Company zero point five. Since they are good friends with you.

All these pop singing groups getting worse. It's like the never ending rabbit

hole. Peppermint Company zero point five. That's a catchy name, you know

when you talk about pop singing groups, you know, if you if you

talk about like the Backstreet Boys or end Sink, you know, what about

Peppermint Company zero point five? How's that for? I really like fun named

bands. Okay, love that they have. Okay, maybe the zero point

five is too much, but we got one coming up that's gonna be Ingri

Drow and the Holy Socks. Yes, but a real band, yes,

yes, yes, yes, but Peppermint Company actually isn't bad. No,

it's not. Actually, I mean I like that. I mean maybe Texas

Mike will end up managing them as well as new Affirm Company, Country Company

Company. Peppermint Company. That's actually not bad. No, I really don't

think it is. Actually, I really do like it. Well, I

would like to now, I wonder if I can join. I'd like to

join that pop singing group. We're not moving, no, no, no,

we just uh you know, I'll zoom in for the performances. Yes,

i'd remotely play bass. I bet Isaac Banks will say, yes,

I can sing I could be it's a pop singer group. You could,

well, I can sing. I can harmonize. I can't sing by myself

solo. I get lost, but but I can sing. I can harmonize.

Yes, there you go. Isaac Banks says hashtag Matt see John Sasser

McKee. The fifth Friends of Peppermint Company zero point five is a pop singing

mixed group. Oh, it's a mixed group. That's good. That mean

Mick Well, I like diversity, so that that could be what that means?

I don't really. I thought he meant gendre like. It's a little

folky and a little maybe. I'm up for anything. All I know is

with a cool name like Peppermint Company, I'm in. Count me in zero

point five. We're not to the full Yeah, I don't want the zero

point five, but if you can, I want the full version. Well

that the zero point five is a deal breaker for me. You gotta drop

the zero point five if you just go with Peppermint Company. I'm in Peppermint

Company. That is the sound of money. Oh, I like it.

I like it. Six three two five O six zero seven is the studio

line six three two five six zero seven. Uh just don't call in trying

to join Pepperman Company because that spot is mine. By the way, So

speaking of money, is everyone uh is everyone excited for armageddon? No?

I don't mean. I don't mean don't worry, don't anyone, don't anyone

panic. I don't mean a nuclear armageddon or an asteroid hit in the earth.

I just mean economic armageddon where our elected law givers and overlords, as

I like to call them, uh, will be uh in in what I

think in sports they call an unforced error. They will be destroying the United

States one, destroying the United States economy as we know it. It's very

exciting. It's it's finally about to happen. You know, they'll be so

proud of themselves for starving the troops. Yes, yes, because you know

that's who's not getting the paycheck. Yes, you know what, uh you

know what it reminds me of. It's like, uh, you know how

you know we've been talking about Motley Crue recently in the Trouble and how I

said, anyone who's ever read the book The Dirt should have known that it

was going to end this way. I feel the same way about this about

the debt limit crisis. You know, anyone who pays attention to politics should

have known it would end this way. So yes, now listen, Hopefully

we we avert avoid this, but we have less than a month. Janet

Yellen. Janet Yellen says by June first, we will be in default if

the debt limit is not raised, and which can affect social security payments.

Well, basically, no one military paychecks. We've never in the history of

the country defaulted, So no one knows for sure how bad it will be

if it actually happens. But um, from everything I've read, it will

be uh, somewhere between catastrophic and the end of the economy as we know

it, somewhere in that range. So to the city of Manchester when half

the people don't get paid, well, um, yeah, what what happens

now? What happens to medical facilities that aren't getting Like, yeah, there's

so many things that this effects. That is scary and I used to think

of it differently, and it it really is sobering to realize that when they

talk about the obligations we won't meet, they're talking about the ones that we've

already committed to, like paying our troops and social security checks and disability checks,

and you know that's sort of a thing, which, interestingly enough,

you know what, we never see Congress on the chopping block. Well,

of course, not we need to cut back Social Security. They want it.

They're they're arguing to cut back food stamp allotments, but nobody's arguing to

cut their paychecks. No, their healthcare. They can afford to trim some

fat, you know. Now, I saw some polling data that, um,

I'm ticky. I saw some polling data that was kind of shocked.

But then I realize exactly why this happens. So I saw a poll that

showed only twenty five percent of Americans surveyed who follow this are are very concerned

about the economy, about I'm sorry about the debt default. Only only one

in four Americans surveyed are actually concerned about it. And I realized his So

we've become desensitized because people don't realize. I don't think the average American who

sort of pays attention to this, um realizes the difference between this and say

a government shutdown because of a budget shortfall or something, or we don't have

a budget and man, but not that government shutdowns aren't disastrous. They are.

They cost the economy billions of dollars every time one happens, but you

know, we always get through it. But I think, I think people

are so used to these government shutdown what's happening, that they've become desensitized and

they genuinely don't realize that's not what this is. No, this is something

far more serious. And I can tell you not to be a pessimist,

not to be a downer, but the level of anxiety that I am feeling

over this particular potential debt limit default is exceeding the level that I felt in

twenty eleven, which is the first time I ever became aware of this issue

and this dance that we go through every time it comes up. And I

in twenty eleven I started really paying attention to it because it looked like it

looked bad. And then and then in twenty thirteen less bad, and then

you know, there's been there's been many times that it's come up that it's

it's been dispensed with relatively quickly. But that's bothering me about this time.

It's because we're so close to the deadline. In the past, we've been

further away from it for the most part. This is less than a month.

Yeah, yeah, you know, and and I agree with what you're

saying. And I think a large part of that is partly the same way

I was thinking. You know, you think about the debt limit. When

I thought about the debt limit, I thought about the government spending money on

new projects, new ideas, or trying to borrow money to do something new.

I did not understand that it was actually the commitments we already have.

It's paying the Social Security check that everybody paid into, it's paying writing checks

to government workers, it's writing checks to our military, our military, you

know. And every time this comes up, though, Republicans will say,

if you give us cuts, will allow you to raise it. And it's

such an awful thing when you when you realize that what they're really talking about

is is defaulting, is bailing, is walking away from the Americans who have

paid into this system and we're geting. We're told this is what you get

at the end. You know, as far as Social Security goes for disability,

people pay into disability insurance. If you happen to need that, that's

what it's supposed to be there for. You paid in for it. We

expect our military to get their paychecks. We don't expect there to be any

disruption in that. But all the Republicans are talking about is like cutting food

stamps. Well, so I don't want to paint with too broad abrush though

there because there are, for example, in the Senate, you have mature,

sensible Republicans who actually understand how this all works and and they're not interested

in default. But what happens is and this has gotten worse. See,

we saw this phenomenon in twenty eleven with the Tea Partiers, the Tea Party

Caucus in the Republican Party in the House, who now now they're they've turned

into the House Freedom Caucus. What it was then and what it is now

I do not agree as the same. Well now it's worse, but the

but but there's a through line here. So in twenty eleven, what we

saw was there were these and again in the Senate, the Senate Republicans that

no, they want, they don't want anything to do with default. They

understand. But in the House you tend to see some really wacky people get

elected, like Marjorie Taylor Green is just a random example. So so in

the House. What happened in twenty elevenies. You had you had some of

these tea party Republicans who not only were they perfectly willing to as I think

it was John Bayner once put it, not only were they willing to take

the debt limit, did they decide that that was a hostage worth taking in

budget talks, but they some of them actually wanted to default. I saw

interviews with some of them on cable news. Again, some of the less

sophisticated ones, like I think that guy ferrent Holds from Texas, for example,

look up that guy on YouTube. You'd be like, oh my god.

Anyway, I think he was in the house at the time. And

I remember seeing him on the cable news shows going yeah, you know,

we just can't afford to keep spending all this money. We should default.

It's like, wow, you're out of your minds um so uh. And

I will tell you this. When I was Gary's co host on Rock Paper

hand Grenades at that time, we had we had guests on the show who,

some of them honestly, genuinely did not seem to understand the difference between

the debt limit and the federal budget itself. That's exactly. That's exactly it

right there, Like they genuinely didn't know the difference, and trying to explain

it to them was just like talking to a wall. Now, be nice

over here, because that was the way I thought too. Yeah, buddy,

I thought it was tied to the federal budget. You said, bucko

with a bee. I just want to be clear, and so I don't

get so somebody doesn't think you said something else, that term of deal where

there's a conversation and going on. So it comes out because I'm used to

my mom that way. Yeah, right, But I honestly didn't think that

it had something. I thought it absolutely has something to do with the federal

budget, and it doesn't. And it doesn't. And I learned that when

because when you say funding obligations, when you say borrowing authorization, people think

budgetary. They think when you're trying to buy a new printer or something.

They don't think social Security and Medicare benefits, Medicare, you know, healthcare,

military salaries. I never thought military salaries were tied to it. I

admit this. I have learned, and I expanded my knowledge and now understand

how this functions and what this does and of course it goes up. There's

more people still alive. You know, back in the Social security you know,

it used to be a lot shorter in life, so to speak.

But there are a lot more people living longer. So yes, there are

more people. So it's a bigger amount of social Security. It's a bigger

military salaries, like you should hockey. Why do they want to cut that?

It's just it's mind boggling. Republicans claim to be all about military and

all about our troops, but they're having zero problems with not paying their paychecks.

Meanwhile they're collecting theirs. Well, there's there's plenty of blame to go

around to. I have some things to say about the Democrats as well in

this but well we'll get to that in a moment. But John, where

I'm coming from though, Oh I do. Yeah, Shannon is on the

line. She probably wants to audition for Peppermint Company. Hi, Shannon,

she can't audition? What's up, Shannon? Well, No, I had

a band name idea mister Drizzle, Misty Drizzle. That that sounds more like

a a name for somebody who performs in certain kinds of movies. Yes,

performs a certain kind of movies, movies. Okay, well I think it's

the drizzle part that kind of throws it in there. I don't know,

and it's very very meteorological. It's not drizzling today, pouring. It was.

It was a little drizzle a little while ago. It seemed. Is

it pouring now? No, it was, ok because let it hits my

windows. I can't tell. Yeah, it's weird. Yeah, yeah,

no, I don't remember. Uh So, the federal budget has nothing to

do don't don't try to explain it to me. But the federal budget doesn't

have anything to do with well, the debts. So the federal budget is

what we're spending. The debt ceiling affects our ability to borrow to service that

debt, the debt that we've already run up, the money that we've already

Uh right, So so if we don't raise the debt limit on schedule and

we go into default, then well, it's no different than if you default

on a credit card or a loan or something. No, I think it's

worse than that. Well, it's worse, but just give an example though,

Yeah, well it just makes me think of them. I don't know

if it was twenty twenty or World News tonight. But a long long time

ago, Diane Sawyer got a bunch of fifth graders together, I think it

was Diane Sawyer got a bunch of fifth graders together to um figure out the

um the budget basically, in other words, um, what am I trying

to say? The um? Oh? God, I know I can hear

people's eyes rolling. Stop. Don't pick on your side just to the debt.

Get another words, do the budget? Make it work so we have

no debt and they did it well. Okay, So here's here's what I

now understand about how this works. We're borrowing from the public. Essentially,

you everybody people pay in payroll taxes, and that's the money that funds Social

Security, Medicare, UM, and quite frankly, our military paychecks I believe

are funded the same way. So we're basically borrowing from the public to pay

that bill. It's like a circle. People pay in, money comes out.

If there's no money coming in, there's no money to pay out,

so there's no Medicare bills being paid, there's no Social Security checks being issued.

It's that isn't a coincidence that all these banks are going bust? Uh?

That is a coincidence. That's got that's got nothing to do with I

don't think that has anything to do with the dest because then we go through

this all the time. Yeah, that actually happens. People don't realize how

common bank failures are. Not that it's a good thing, and this last

one was a big one. It's not a good thing. But I don't

think there's any direct relationship between the two. Well, I mean, you

know, it's it's up to the media to you know, enlighten us on

things, you know, I mean, I have a show about it,

you know, Well, keep going through the through it. There is there

are ways, you know, get rid of Congress of NOUM. Put a

bunch of fifth graders in there and they can get rid of the Yeah,

but they really mean what they'd say. They'd come to the table and say,

cut our salaries. We don't want maymee to go without our groceries,

right, just saying all right, Shannon, there should be an age limit

on them too. Yeah. Well there's a lot of talk about that these

days. But yeah, yeah, all right, Shannon, Well we appreciate

the call. Yeah, by take care guys, all right, bye bye,

all right, Shannon leaves us. That does open up a line for

you six zo three two five six seven six three two five six seven Oh

PEP Peppermint Company zero point five is in the chat and says hello, they're

hashtag Matt and hashtag gen. We say good afternoon from us, and we

are from Greensboro, North Carolina. And also maybe Shannon will be co manager

and Matt, you can be a producer for us. Wow, done us

to drag you guys into their thing now. So the other thing that I

wanted to say, so this is part of why I'm so particularly concerned,

even more so than I was in twenty eleven, is I'm worried that our

politics has become so polarized and so broken that they're not going to be able

to pull this one out. Because you have so you have the House Republicans

like the Freedom Caucus who basically owned Kevin McCarthy because he had to how many

votes did they take just to get him speaker? So he had to kind

of give away the store away everything. I don't think he's got much left

as far as power is concerned. So they passed they passed a bill to

raise the debt ceiling, which has deep cuts that are unacceptable to the to

the Democrats, but that's probably the best you're going to be able to get

out of the House as it currently stands. And then on the other end,

so here's the thing. The Democrats are going to have to come to

the table and the President's going to have to come to the table and understand

their meeting on May ninth. But there seems to be a precondition that they're

not gonna here's here's the problem. So this is the way I see it.

So the Democrats and President Biden when they say that there's Congress should just

pass a clean debt limit bill and nothing should be tied to it. In

principle, they are in my view, absolutely correct in principle, but in

practice they're going to have to negotiate. And it's it's I understand, it's

it's going to be unpleasant, but they're they're going to have to negotiate because

default simply is not an option. The other thing, though, that I

want to slap the Democrats for, is um they had a chance to avert

this and they didn't take it. When they had control of both Houses of

Congress under Biden, they could have raised the debt limit then, or better

yet, they could have moved Kirsten Cinema And yeah, I understand, But

what they should have done then is either raise the debt limit then so we

didn't have to do it now, or just eliminate it. And they could.

They could eliminate the debt limit and then we never have to go through

this again. And they didn't do that, and they should have seen what

was coming down the pike. And I understand they're Democrats, so you know,

God forbid politicians, God forbid there's any strategy or forethought uh involved in

anything. I mean, I mean, you know, uh, So there's

plenty of blame to go around, and we should not be in this position

right now. There's there's plenty of blame to go around, but we are.

But I'm worried about. Melanie says in the chat room, spank those

naughty Democrats. Do we stop a woman? Well, you know, I

don't want to. I don't want to actually spank any of them. That'd

be weird. Yea. Um, but uh, Melanie said, I formally

request you say spank instead of slap. Oh okay, Oh I don't.

I don't. I don't believe in spanking. I don't changing the word,

and it's getting worse as she got. I don't believe in corporal punishment.

I was never spanked growing up, as my dad will attest and hum.

So, Uh, but I'm very uh, I am very concerned. Uh.

Now, the other thing that we should look at is uh, and

you had sent me an article from Uh, yep, we need to talk

about that. From Reuters, an explainer could Biden avert a debt default by

using the fourteenth Amendment. Now here's the thing, and I remember this coming

up in twenty eleven as well, and Tim Geidner, who was working for

the Obama administration at the time when he was Treasury Secretary, he said,

look, uh, it's unconstitutional. We can't. I think his position was

it didn't matter what Congress did because default isn't an option anyway. It is

unconstitutional to default according to the fourteenth Amendment. But then, because we've never

been in the position before of anyone having to invoke it, there's a lot

of hand ringing and uncertainty about how exactly this would work. So we'll look

at this again. This is an explainer from Reuters. It says here and

this just went up Today, the divided US Congress is running out of time

to raise a federal government's thirty one point four trillion dollar debt ceiling, with

the Treasury Department warning it could be unable to pay its bills as soon as

June first if Congress fails to act. Some legal experts say Democratic President Joe

Biden has another option to avert a crisis, invoke the Fourteenth Amendment to the

US Constitution to ensure the United States can continue to pay its bills. Section

four of the Fourteenth Amendment, adopted after the Civil War, states that the

quote validity of the public debt of the United States shall not be questioned une

Historians say that aimed to ensure the federal government would not repudiate its debts,

as some former Confederate states had done, but the clause has been largely unaddressed

by the courts, and legal experts disagree. Say the quote least unconstitutional unquote

option would be Forbiden to act on his own to protect the integrity of the

national debt. He said, quote that would mean borrowing money unquote. Any

action by Biden would surely prompt a lawsuit. Who could sue over the debt

ceiling, it's not clear who could bring a case. It could be difficult

for any plaintiff to prove they had been harmed by the action, a legal

concept known as standing. The US Supreme Court ruled in nineteen ninety seven that

individual lawmakers do not have standing to file such lawsuits, but Congress could potentially

vote to say that it had been collectively harmed. Oh god, But when

you look at that sentence, that constitutional sentence, what's that says to me

is that the idea was that the government shall never default on paying the public

what it owes, what it took out of the public's paychecks and promised to

give. That's how I read that sentence in a lazo. You know,

I'm no expert or anything, but to me, that's what it's the government

saying, in response to what happened with the Confederacy, that our government will

never take from the public and not meet the obligations that we promised. I'm

sorry, I'm having a voice issue. Yeah, that's okay, Yes,

that's here. The High Court could also opt to hear a challenge and the

interest of quickly resolving the issue, as they have done with Biden's move to

cancel four hundred and thirty billion dollars in student debt. That scares me.

Any case would be an uncharted legal territory. The Supreme Court has ruled on

the public debt clause only once, in a nineteen thirty five challenge to Democratic

President Franklin Roosevelt's decision to take the United States off the gold Standard. The

Court ruled that the plaintiff, a bondholder, did not have standing to file

the case. Biden and Congress, meanwhile, would be under tremendous pressure to

resolve the issue quickly, meaning any case might be irrelevant before it reaches the

court. Where does the White House stand on the fourteenth Amendment? The last

time this was a front burner issue in Washington in twenty eleven and twenty thirteen.

Prominent Democrats like former President Bill Clinton then urged President Barack Obama to invoke

the fourteenth Amendment, but White House aids said they did not believe they had

the legal authority to do so. Yellen said in twenty twenty one that invoking

the fourteenth Amendment was not an option, and some of those former Obama aids,

like Jeans Sperling, now work in Biden's White House. A White House

spokesperson did not respond to a request for comments. How would markets react if

Biden uses the fourteen? Administration officials and economists have warned that a default triggered

by a debt ceiling breach would royal the world financial system and plunge the United

States into recession. The immediate catastrophe might be avoided if Biden invoked the fourteenth,

but investors, nevertheless could be spooked by the drama and demand higher interest

rates to reflect the increased risk while the illegal issues played out. Mark Zandi,

chief economist at Moody's Analytics, said, quote, that's a pretty significant

gamble on the part of the president, but that's probably his best option if

you get into that scenario. Ute. So, in other words, if

we get to a point where we're at that point, then if he has

no other option, then he has to go ahead and do that, I

guess. And that puts us in the realm of who has the position,

who has the ability to be a plaintiff to take it to the Supreme Court.

Somebody has to have who has the right you know what I mean?

Who gets to file it? Is it Congress? Do they have the right

I guess does it in you know what I mean? I don't, I

don't know. I guess Congress would would in theory do that. Um,

it would be fascinating to see this all play out legally, not that I

wanted to happen. I don't want to find out what. I don't want

to find out what the consequences of this are. It would be fascinating,

but it would also be horrible. Um. Yeah, I don't know exactly

how that would work, but I guess Congress in terms of standing, and

listen, I'm no legal expert of any kind, but I so I speak

only as a layman, But I guess in terms of standing, Congress if

they were to make that argument, would say, well, we're the ones

who vote on this, and we did not authorize this with our vote,

therefore you can't do this. It would It would probably be as simple as

that. But do you get us? Do you have to have a simple

majority to file or you know what I mean? What kind of a vote

does it require in order for Congress to be the plaintiff? Yeah? Collectively?

Um, yeah, I don't know. And as far as standing goes,

I guess, I mean, there's probably a taxpayers group somewhere that thinks

we should default. That might follow a lawsuit, but I'm sure that's been

done and tried before. That would end up in the Supreme Court. I

don't know what I mean, and I don't know, and I don't want

to find out. Yeah, I hope we don't have to find out,

but I'm very concerned. Should be, I am, Um, I don't

know, because I don't know what the off ramp is here. They have

very little time to do this. Again, we haven't until June first.

I mean, we've technically already blown through the debt ceiling, but we're now

right now the fat is using what they call extraordinary measures to keep things going.

But the extraordinary measures it is what will actually be exhausted by June first,

and that if that happens though, and this affects Medicare, So does

that mean somebody who's scheduled for surgery gets canceled? Who knows? You know

what I'm saying. Probably that's where my brain alba. It would be catastrophic.

It's catastrophic, oh boy. But um, hopefully we will not get

there. Hopefully these guys will do something smart. Yeah, yeah, um,

Moody's Analytics, by the way, also says that the bill that the

that the House passed would actually eliminate a lot of jobs. It wouldn't be

as damaging as a debt default, but it would still cost the economy a

lot of jobs and would be damaging. UM. But in theory, see

this is this is the thing that worries me too with this is so you

have the bill that the House passed, UM that you know enough House Freedom

Caucus members, I guess we're willing to go along with which has very deep

cuts. In theory, that should be a starting point for any negotiation.

But what I'm worried about is it's not that it's not really a starting point.

In other words, a starting point is cutting food stand wetting medicare.

Well. What I was going to say, though, is I'm worried that

what would normally be the starting point in a negotiation like this is not the

starting point. It's the it's already the end point. Like in other words,

that these House members who were willing to go along with this, some

of them who would probably rather just default again, you know, the House

Freedom Caucus whackados who would rather just default. This was probably the best that

they were willing to give Kevin McCarthy to work with, and there might not

be any room for negotiating in their minds. And and if he goes and

he negotiates something with Biden, and Biden does give in on some things,

which again, from a principled standpoint, Biden is correct. But from a

practical standpoint, he's going to have to negotiate. It's it's going to be

necessary their paychecks on the chopping block Congress to take a cut for themselves.

But I mean, you know, I'm just I'm fed up with them.

Oh we gotta cut Social Security, we gotta cut Medicare. But it's never

them, No, it's never their checks. It's never their healthcare. They

won't go without a surgery, they won't go without a pacemaker, right.

You know, it's granddad down the street that served you know how many tours

in Vietnam that's not going to get the access to their care, their healthcare,

or you know, it's it's your teacher of sixty years that paid in

all this time and now they're not going to get care their doctors. I

mean, if you defund Medicare, that's what happens there's no money to pay

the doctors, no money to pay the hospitals, the surgical suites. If

there's no money to pay the bills, then they get canceled. Melanie said,

in the chat room and spankings, who's with me? The problem?

They see the problems anywhere. The problem there, Melanie or and I wouldn't

necessarily have to be a spanking. Maybe a paddle. That's what they used

to do at Saint John's when I went to Catholic school. No, no,

But what I was going to just bring up, just as a counterpoint

to what Melanie is suggesting, The problem is some of these people are very

old and if you spank them, their bones might just disintegrate. Like if

you were to if you were to spank this is a real thing. Yeah,

like uh yeah, you know, if you if you were to spank

somebody, like if you were to spank Diane Feinstein, She's not going to

survive that, you know what I mean? Um, not that she shows

up for work anyway, but you know what I'm saying, Yes, so

I've keep this in mind. Yes, uh, maybe maybe a whack on

the wrist, but certainly well no, again, I don't believe in I

don't believe in corporal punishment. But uh but some of these some of these

people could be drawn, quartered, drawn and quartered. Hmmm, I could

get with that. Melanie says, I'm so very glad you are. I'm

very glad you are exploring the spanking option. Well, I mean it's worth

exploring. Look, we got to put it all on the table here.

We're facing economic armageddon. I'm just saying that I do have some concerns.

If they're so dang serious about cuts, then they ought to start in their

own house. M Hard to argue with that. Well, I know that.

Oh Rick Smith just joined us in the Facebook live chat. Rick says,

don't you don't you not want children? That's another good reason not to

have them, to worry about spanking. That's a great point, Rick,

that's a great point. It is true. I don't want children. I

never wanted children, and uh so I know, and that is a reason

love. I love my child, I love my children. I adopt people.

Did you ever did you ever spank your ass? On? He did

get a spanking? That did happen? One? He must have done something

really bad he did, and his father decided to give him a choice.

Yeah, and it was fully clothed, hand patting on the back, the

bomb three times, or a week of um uh grounding. Yeah, and

that was what he chose, And that was to have it to do over

again. At this point in my life, the things that I've learned,

I would not have allowed it, right, But for the most part with

him, no, it was you're grounded or yeah, at worst, the

electronics came out of the bedroom and got put in the closet until you earned

them back. Yeah. Was more about you know, you can you could

always read. Reading and listening to music was always allowed. Um Melanie says,

just for the record, I'm only pro adult spanking. You see,

I'm against the whole spanking idea. Now, well, some people, you

know people will I am. I. I generally think it's a bad idea

because you don't want to teach your kid that conflict. You don't want to

teach that conflict resolution through violence. However, I do. I've always said

it again, I have the luxury is beaten. I have the luxury of

saying this without ever having children. The one thing that I have heard parents

who who who have spanked their kids say is and I call it. I

have my own term for it. I call it the hot stove argument.

And it's kind of a last resort kind of thing. But say you know,

you're you know, your kid keeps trying to touch the hot stove while

you're making dinner, and you keep saying, don't do that, don't do

that, You're gonna get hurt, and they just won't listen to you.

So you gotta give them a little whack on the fanny because for their own

good, so they don't hurt themselves. I call it the hot stove argument.

I accept that, I you know, as a last resort, but

a last resort you don't want to Other than that, you don't want to

be hitting your kid if you if you can possibly help it. True.

True, I had different I had. I mean I was a young parent.

I was in my twenties. I grew up with absolute beatings for the

first thirteen years of my life, so I was never one to raise a

hand. It was always more about, you know, there's a better way

to deal with this. We can You know, you're not going to have

you video games or something like that, but you're to speak to your point.

Yeah, when the butterknife was going in the electrical socket. A little

smack on my hand at the time seemed a heck of a lot better because

saying no wasn't working, and I didn't want him to get electrocuted and kill

himself. Yeah, I will. That did happen, exactly did happen.

I'm sure there's a better way. Somebody can tell me how to deal with

it. Now. No, I get a time that that was what I

thought was good parenting. To be honest, I didn't want him to get

electrocuted and die, right right, I think that's reasonable. Wasn't working,

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is here as well at the newsdesk, present and accounted for. And we

have a very special guest with us. Let me bring that mic up.

So Zach from Abner the Second is here. Hello, sir, Hi,

how are you now? Good? Good? Good? And uh he is

gonna play live for us, and let me bring up them the other Uh,

we're kind of gonna live sound check on the air here. How's that

sound little Moriam? Perfect? Thank you? Okay? Cool? Cool,

all right? So, uh he's gonna play live for us. I'm gonna

do some songs and then afterward we'll we'll chat a little bit and get to

know him. But this is really cool. Uh, this is uh a

very Let me put the wide shot on there so you can see the full

set up. He's got his petals and his viola. Am I saying that

correctly? Yea? So this is uh, this is awesome. So I

will I will go ahead and give you the floor if you want to.

You can introduce the songs or however you want to do it. And I

just can't wait to hear you. Very cool. This song is called Dover.

You don't think that he's scudding easier, but if anything, we would

say he's scudding better. And I wrote a song about you, and learn

the age old lesson, think of it singing tune, and we how the

coast is good for you, and just snow snow, think of you,

and how I wanna thank you for teaching the age old lesson. Think of

them singing the mic and singing tu. You don't think it's gotting easier?

Body a funny thing. We would say it's getting better. And I wrote

a song about you and learn the age old lessons our kids singing tune,

and we hope the coast is good for you. And she saw stealth and

got you. And how you we have if you're just joining us. Zach

from Abner the second is here with us in the studio and he's got a

whole he's got a whole set up here. Well, we'll talk to him

about it afterwards. Very interested to learn more, and how we uh we

figured how we figured out how to do all this. It's it's remarkable but

different pedal Yeah oh yeah, yeah yeah. Very kind of you saying thank

you again for having me. I'm very very happy, all right, listen

to your show of you now and again it's very nice of you to a

very nice of you to uh to have you here. Very cool. Alrighty.

So these next two songs they go back to back um. They're called

Fireplace and Keep Closed, and they're the actually the opening two songs off of

the album that I have coming out called The Audrey Burns, which is out

May fifteenth. And if you go to au instagram dot com slash Abner Underscore

II, there's a precidelink there, so make sure you do that anyway.

All right, here's a couple more. I've been running in all the fumes

help you and DoD just came wander and I've been thinking less how y'all live

in a firefly spread n mafoon And when is screening, you're all reading and

I'm she's southside for you, I guess face down on the bird glasses in

one hand, in your eyes in the other. It's the smoke comes in

through a window. The shoes said, we should keep close. Shake the

thoughts is shaving my head in painting the ceiling with thoughts of you and I

ever existing, because it's a man it better of meaning, because it's so

good. I man it better a meaning. Nothing works righting in your head.

You've been left so so I bother what the full rolling through a window

the church says, you should keep close, You should keep close, You

should keep closed, you should keep close. Shit the thoughts is shoathing my

head and painting the ceiling with thoughts of you and I ever existing. He

says, ah many better of meaning. He says, so good A man

it better of meaning? No hope, no, thank you. Wow,

beautiful, beautiful, gorgeous. You know I always enjoyed rainy days really thinking

about that. You know, as I was playing, I was like,

this is just fitting. Rainy days make me drowsy days, and mondays always

get me down. Yeah, I like, I like the sunshine. If

you're just joining us, we have Zach from Abner the Second here in studio,

and uh, this is uh, this is great. Really enjoying this

a lot. You have such an incredible setup he has for for for our

listeners out there is this beautiful viola electric viola plugged into about six different petals

into an amp, and I'm just fascinated watching him work these pedals and and

different switches and dials, and it's just amazing what you're able to produce all

by yourself. It sounds like there's a lot more going on. It's just

one person. It's absolutely awesome, awesome. That's very kind to you to

say, thank you, absolutely, thank you're again for having me. Yeah,

yeah, alright, so I have a I have a few more tubes.

Okay, Yeah. My instrument they stopped developing it in the thirteen hundred,

so it doesn't respond well to anything such as a room or someone breathing,

so we're doing all the things. Alata tuning. All right. This

is the title track off of my album The Audrea Burns. The song is

called The Audrea Burns. All Right, you're ruler now and you know that

this is probably won't and well the Audea of losing it in the concept You're

gonna quit again, it's the forest and nicotine, a haunted house of and

Feta means and the audea your quote alone, You're alone you're alone and on

your own. You could tell me shut my pormout when I'm talking to somebody

other than me. Alone, we go to bed and most nights angry or

at leasting now the version something other than I'll be you're alone alone. But

I guess you know this so well well in the art losing sleep, in

the concept you want to leave. We don't have it, and if we

did, we'd break it again. We don't have it, and if we

did, we'd break it again. You long for a place you don't know,

and the time that doesn't exist, with thoughts that you won't grow when

you were less alone. The argery it burns. The argery burns, the

ardry burns off the dry b All right, thank you, very cool.

That's the uh so that's also the title of the album that's coming out,

yeah, Adrea Burns. Yeah, coming out May fifteenth, reported here in

Manchester. Excellent, excellent. Where where did you record it? I recorded

it at a Blastulis Studios in Manchester, New Hampshire. Okay, yep,

which was which is very nice. Yeah, my friend Evi Narma did it.

Oh, very good. Yeah. The studio tracks we've been playing sound

great. Yeah, thank you so much, very kind of you saying thank

if you're playing them, absolutely, We have a we have a name in

the chart room I haven't seen before. I wonder if it's a fan of

yours. Larry Thomas, Larry Thomas. Not familiar, No, not familiar,

but I'm really terrible with me. Well hello, Larry faces Larry m

all right, if you're just joining us, we have Zach from Abner the

second here in studio. Alrighty, so, speaking of Yarmo, this next

song is actually called Yarmo. Excellent. Did I forget to tell you?

We you'll see every night for sleep? Just speak, just speak to me,

just be to me. Please. There's so shining and locking doors,

blocking numbers and none wanting more. Your face through and this your gold inears

slitout, you face through something other than happy, something other than happy,

something other than happy, something other than happy, something other than wow,

it's beautiful. That was awesome, Thank you, thank you very much.

Just fascinated getting to watch you play is just amazing. I'm just fascinated watching

you strum the viola and yeah, yeah, I mean wow, are you

using a pick? No? Just is the way you were holding your fingers.

It almost looked like they were like a pick. Yeah yeah, no,

just just the old the old finger, very small hands. That doesn't

reflect my masculinity, right, it's gonna gonna clarify that. Yes, yes,

strong masculine size. Oh yeah, that's right, that I have mistaken.

Very cool. All right, So I have a couple more tunes.

These two go back to back as well. Okay, yeah, she's the

last two songs off the album. It's called a Aliened seven. All right.

This is Abner the second with us in studio over the bridging con again,

while the other it's of Town down Street from with my Heart earn You

to Live. I hope the comfort don't kill what it is that you said

you believed in. I'm in the alle for you because what else can I

do? I think I'm freaking out again, But this is my It's where

I talk to myself. Mister Green, would you ask these spidy folks to

leave m crow up and let them win? It's a tale told twy he's

written down and then forgot it again. I'm sorry, mom for the life

about it. I'm living all right. You some happy songs, you'll love

them, but this is my it's where I talk to my self, this

screen to as fine to leave. There you go again, acting like the

top of man. You know you're not nothing sets in. Just give it

time and you'll be back on your knees again and I'll love it. There

you go again, acting like the top man. You know you're not enough

things said, Just give it time and you'll be back on your knees again,

and they love it. But the Sun its song smity so miss Chili,

thank you, Wow Wow's let's two songs off the album. Yeah,

okay, yeah, going out, try to go out with the bag.

Those are two of the Those are two of the earlier songs I wrote,

you know, and I'm not sure if either of you are news buffs or

not, but oh yes, everybody the past couple of years spent a lot

of time inside. Yeah that was you know, I was kind, but

yeah that was. Those are Those were the last two songs on the album,

but they were like the first two I wrote you know a while ago

and went in that direction. So, oh fantastic. What you did well,

Just a curiosity question what you just said. Was it during the pandemic

that you learned to do this or was this something you were already doing.

Befried to it. Um, So I play, um, I play strings

in a band called a Happy just to see you. That's like my like

main project that like I really spent a lot of time on and you know

creatively where I try to spend a lot of time with, you know,

cello, violin viola. And then, um, what ended up happening was

his my front man got hit by a car and he was just kind of

laid up in bed for a year. So then I was kind of left

to my own devices, and that's when I started to kind of do this

and you know, and then it just kind of spiraled off into me,

you know, doing this and then I bring what I do here and too

happy just to see you and yeah, so that's how I started to do

it. Yeah, so it's amazing, Zach. Did you want to get

did you want to have a seat and get comfortable? Yeah, very cool.

Yeah, we better have my back to you. Well that's okay,

Yeah, well we we'll talk for a few minutes. We were actually um,

yeah, we got about ten minutes left in the show. But I

do, uh, like I said, you know, very interested in what

you're doing at such a unique project. And yeah, you can just go

ahead and here, I'll meet the mic while you while you adjust. Absolutely,

and for people that are interested, you can definitely find Abner the Second

on Instagram. That is a B N E R underscore I I and I

am dropping those links into the chat room. Excellent, excellent. Yeah,

where does the name come from? Abner the Second? Um, it's a

homage to uh uh, there's a cartoon called Hey Arnold. Oh yeah,

he had a pig name Abner. I thought having a pet papers really cool.

Yeah, so then I was just gonna be Abner. And then I

thought, oh, you know Abnor the Second. You know, yeah,

pig. Yeah yeah. So so tell me a little bit about it.

I mean, to learn to do to do this? The way you're doing

it is it um. And I've seen other artists who looping and stuff.

But I mean it looks so somebody like me, like, I'm a simple

bass player. I you know, I used to play the rock. Well

I appreciate that, but I mean, so to me, what you're doing

looks incredibly overwhelming. Oh yeah, it's um, it's a it was baby

steps, you know, to to kind of sort of learn to do everything.

Yeah, it was um for for for the album that I just did

like everything I tried to make it so I kept like the organic relationship with

the instrument and then bring kind of parts I wrote you know at home or

laying in bed or whatever it is, into in front of technology and stuff

along those lines. So it was all about kind of piecing it together.

Yeah, baby steps though, yeah, one looper at a time. Yeah.

Um. And when you when you play out a lot? Are you,

um do well? Do you do a lot of shows? Are you

playing out a lot of Yeah? I try to play out as much as

I can. Um. Yeah, I've had a handful of shows. Most

of them have been like basement venues. Yeah you know their locations are but

yeah right yeah, I know. But the um yeah, it's I try

to play out, you know, as much as I can. Um.

And like ever since COVID my uh you know, for lack of better words,

like Little Black Book of like promoters and stuff to reach out to,

it's kind of dried up. Everybody kind of changed and something else. So

I'm trying to figure out who to contact for shows and stuff. And um,

the album came out later than I wanted to so I didn't really have

a whole lot to send to promoters, gotcha, But but I do.

I do enjoy playing out live. Yeah, yeah, and I do this,

and I have a keys player and a drummer and stuff along those lines

that I use. Oh cool, yeah, oh okay, yeah, but

it's cool that you have the option to do it by yourself if you have

to, you know. Yeah, that's pretty cool. Yeah, it's very

nice. Yeah yeah what what what? What band you play in? Oh?

I don't play in any bands anymore. I used to. I used

to been a million different bands. Yea, yeah, yeah, bas is

cool though, yeah. Yeah. Um, and the album is out yeah

May fifteenth, Yeah, yeah, May fifteenth. Yeah, it's gonna be

out. Very excited, you know, put a lot of work into it,

you know. Yeah. Yeah. Scheme of things. Now, is

it just you on the album or do you have other musics? I have?

I have multiple other musicians or yeah, I have. Um Evan ben

Wall he did some guitar and vocals for me. He's also in the band

Happy Just to See You, okay, And then Evan Yarmo he was my

you know, quasi writing partner is the best way to describe it, you

know, call the extra the bells and the synths and all the extra instrumentation.

A lot of it went to him. Yeah, and then I had

my friend Ty who's in the band five Feet. He did drums for me

at Black Lodge Audio. I think that's what they call you, a Black

Lodge Audio candy, okay, where we recorded drums with a man named Andrew

Johnson. So yeah, now I was happy just to see you still active

as well. Oh yeah, just to see us. Yeah, yeah,

we're still kicking. Yeah, they're both. Yeah, both are. It's

apples and oranges. I hold both very close, you know, near and

dear to my heart. So yeah, and we have an album coming out

too. You know, we have a we have a call. I think

somebody has a might have a question of some feedback for you. Hello,

welcome to the show. Who's this, Hey, Maddie. It's Gary.

Hey Gary. We're almost out of time, so we gotta be playing.

Hey sweetie, what's up? Gary? Hey? Um? The music that

you were playing your your abner too? Um? Do you play like Ashley

McIsaac actual? Actually you know who as? Oh no, no, I

have no idea he was um, Um he plays he plays violin and he

plays really um what people would call odd things like what you do very good.

And I've known him when when I was younger, and his stuff is

really good, very cool and just like Jacques Lupante. Uh, he's another

violinist and they were playing you know, they play rock music and they play

things like that. But Ashley McIsaac is very good. Ye, his aren't

is um she's um. She did another she's a violinists um who plays all

over the place, and but um, Ashley McIsaac is really he's amazing,

awesome. Yeah, I'll have to have to check him out. He's a

Canadian. Book him up. He's really his stuff is really really good.

He had one song. I have a couple of his CDs and it's UM,

good day, how are you or whatever? It is one of the

songs. And he's been playing since he was a young kid. He's probably

old now. But um, yeah, the stuff that you're playing is just

like what he plays. Nice, what he played, very cool and it's

amazing. Yeah, it's it's just really great stuff, you know. And

I love I love the diversity and music like that, and I love what

people can do with um with the so of you know, people will say,

oh, why you pay you play fiddle. It's like, no,

I don't play fiddle. I'm not a country I'm not a country tiddler.

All right. You know I'm playing. I'm playing like a like a classical

rock type what you're playing, and it's it's excellent. I enjoyed it.

Cool, cool, all right, Gary. We are short on time,

my friends, but I appreciate the call. I know you're running out of

time, Maddie. Ye a right, Garrett. I love you both,

and I just want to tell you I'm celebrating a an anniversary one month in

my new palatial apartment here, so congratulations, congratulate. Yeah, I've been

listening and the music is fantastic, and just yeah, keep it up.

I love it all right, all right, yeah check out, really enjoy

all right, Thanks on man, love you guys. Have a great night.

Bye bye, all right, bye bye, all right, very good.

Um, before we run out of time, Zach, where should people

go online to keep up with everything that you're doing as far as shows and

the new album and every Yeah, definitely yeah. So Instagram right now is

kind of the main vein. I don't really have much on Facebook. So

that's just Abner A B N E R Underscore II and I think Jim put

in the chat, yes, yep, yeah, And if you follow me

there there's a pre saved link right now, the only link I have is

for Spotify for it's a there's a little bit of a delayed fuse with putting

up tunes in the world of you know, pre safe stuff. So hopefully

ill more presaved links later. But yeah, May fifteenth, it'll be out,

Okay, very excited, excellent, excellent. How many songs on it?

There's nine songs? Ohree got cut? Oh really? Yeah? Three

cut cut? Yeah? Yeah, so nine songs, you know, yeah,

which is nice. Well why why did you cut the three? Um?

They just weren't coming together because when it came down to recording this,

it was it was very labor intensive just recording each individual loop and yeah,

trying to make stuff work, and just three couldn't come together, you know.

And I don't like long songs either, yeah, yeah, personally I

don't, and some like I cut one that was five minutes, like yeah,

no, no kidding, I'm not a five minute guy. Yeah,

I don't like five minute guys. Yeah, can't you five minutes. There

you go, there you go. Well, we're really glad you came in

today. Thank you so much. Yeah, it means the world. Thank

you for thank you for having me. Yeah. No, what what you

do is remarkable and uh and unique and it's uh, you know, it's

uh, no disrespect to any any of the great artists that we have on

obviously, but it's cool to see somebody doing something as interesting as what you're

doing. And that's very kind of you to say, yeah, and and

thank you. I showed up and just kind of plopped having to dye everything

right on, so you took it like a chance. So thank you for

that. Thank you. You are awesome. Yeah, happy, happy to

do it. Very good, Very good. Well we are just about out

of time, Jenny, did you want to plug your website? Absolutely can

always check me out at Gencoffee dot com. J E. N. Ncoffey

dot com. And I do have more writings coming out on the miting and

I will be giving an update on the National Health campaign. Very good,

very good. And if you're listening live on Tuesday, coming up next is

through the Stage Doore hosted by Rob Dyon. And if you miss any part

of today's show it we'll be up in just a little bit at WMH radio

dot org and at my website Matt Connerton dot com. And that's going to

do it for us for now. Zach from Abner the second, thank you

again so much. My friend, this is this has been absolutely absolutely happy

to do it, and that's going to do it for us for now.

I will talk at you all a little bit later. Bye everybody, Bye bye.

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