Matt Connarton Unleashed 5-23-26 hour 2

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4:33 Speaker 5: That is a new single from Noir Addiction that is

4:37 Speaker 5: called served Me Some Crime. They were supposed to be

4:39 Speaker 5: with us this morning, but apparently there's some kind of

4:42 Speaker 5: an emergency with those guys with sunny Landagan, so he

4:45 Speaker 5: had to cancel. They will reschedule, but something came up.

4:49 Speaker 5: So they are in Italy. So maybe there's something going

4:51 Speaker 5: on in Italy. I don't know, but anyway, welcome back everybody.

4:54 Speaker 5: We do have something else we can get to something

4:57 Speaker 5: that I'm very excited about. But this is Matt Connorton

4:59 Speaker 5: Unleashed and we are live from the studios of WMNH

5:04 Speaker 5: ninety five point three FM and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire.

5:07 Speaker 5: And of course you can stream the show from anywhere.

5:09 Speaker 5: Go to Matt connorton dot com, slash live, or you

5:12 Speaker 5: can go to our new website, Matt Connorton Unleashed dot com.

5:16 Speaker 5: And what I'm going to do right now and I

5:18 Speaker 5: mentioned this at the top of the show, So next

5:21 Speaker 5: week on the show live in studio, we're going to

5:24 Speaker 5: have Grimrock all the way from the great state of Pennsylvania.

5:28 Speaker 5: And Grimrock sent us And for those of you who

5:30 Speaker 5: are watching the video of the show, Grimrock sent us

5:33 Speaker 5: a package and it is looks like we got a

5:36 Speaker 5: couple of T shirts here. So Jenny and I are

5:38 Speaker 5: excited to wear these next week because not only will

5:41 Speaker 5: Grimrock be here with us live in studio, but then

5:45 Speaker 5: we are going to see Grimrock that evening. He's going

5:47 Speaker 5: to be playing at The Spot in Nashua. If you

5:49 Speaker 5: haven't checked out the Spot, very very cool place. Our

5:52 Speaker 5: friend Mike McDowell, who has been on the show. He

5:54 Speaker 5: is the owner and proprietor of the spot, so you

5:56 Speaker 5: can check that out. But here is the shirt. And

5:58 Speaker 5: again if there's no way for me to zoom in

6:00 Speaker 5: with the camera here, but oh that's a cool shirt.

6:03 Speaker 5: Love the logo. I've always really loved his logo. So

6:06 Speaker 5: he sent us two of these, one for me and

6:07 Speaker 5: one for Jenny to wear next weekend.

6:09 Speaker 6: So there you go.

6:10 Speaker 5: So thank you to Grimrock. And we love getting stuff.

6:14 Speaker 5: He's sent us all kinds of stuff, not just these shirts.

6:16 Speaker 5: He's sent us several care packages over the years. Because

6:20 Speaker 5: he's not in the area. Again, he's in Pennsylvania. But

6:22 Speaker 5: we're finally going to get to meet him next week

6:24 Speaker 5: and I am very excited about that. And I was thinking, hmm, yeah,

6:31 Speaker 5: I think we should play a grim Rock song. Actually,

6:34 Speaker 5: we should do that since we have some time. Let's see,

6:39 Speaker 5: I think we should play Oh you know what I think?

6:41 Speaker 5: Was the first grim Rock song we ever played on

6:45 Speaker 5: the show was called don't You.

6:47 Speaker 6: Let's give this a spin, don't you?

6:49 Speaker 5: This is grim rock. This is some garage rock. He's

6:51 Speaker 5: got a really kind of low fie garage rock vibe.

6:54 Speaker 5: Love love Grimrock. And his image too. He's got the whole.

6:57 Speaker 5: If you look him up online, what you see visually,

7:01 Speaker 5: it's surprising when you contrasted with what he sounds like.

7:04 Speaker 5: It's really cool. I love the whole presentation. Cannot wait

7:06 Speaker 5: to see him live anyway. Here it is, this is

7:08 Speaker 5: don't You? And this is grim Rock.

7:44 Speaker 7: Tell me.

7:49 Speaker 3: Man, way.

8:04 Speaker 5: You know?

8:05 Speaker 4: Laugh?

8:32 Speaker 3: Tell me.

8:36 Speaker 4: Do I think you now?

8:48 Speaker 3: You don't running? Way? You know what you laugh? You're running?

9:00 Speaker 3: Jell cow All.

10:03 Speaker 5: That is don't You by Grimrock, who will be here

10:06 Speaker 5: with us in studio next week.

10:08 Speaker 6: Cannot wait.

10:09 Speaker 5: By the way, I miss something too in the package.

10:10 Speaker 5: So there's also a sticker Grimrock Scentius the sticker. Jenny

10:13 Speaker 5: loves stickers, so she'll be very happy about that. But

10:16 Speaker 5: Grimrock will be here with us next week in studio,

10:18 Speaker 5: and then he's gonna be playing a show because he

10:20 Speaker 5: is on tour. He'll be playing a show that night

10:24 Speaker 5: at the Spot in Nashua, which is a great venue.

10:28 Speaker 5: So really looking forward to that. Can't wait to meet him.

10:30 Speaker 5: And this is Matt Connorton Unleashed. Of course, we are

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10:36 Speaker 5: three FM and glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. Of course, you

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10:57 Speaker 5: articles on there. We have one article up so far

11:00 Speaker 5: on Matt Connorton Unleashed that goes with a show that

11:03 Speaker 5: we did a couple of weeks ago talking about Buster

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11:08 Speaker 5: a lawsuit with his former assistant who accused him of

11:11 Speaker 5: repeatedly punching him in the face. So apparently working for

11:14 Speaker 5: Buster Rhymes is very dangerous. I already did all the

11:17 Speaker 5: jokes anyway. The point is we do have an article

11:19 Speaker 5: up about that that you can read on the site

11:22 Speaker 5: Matt Connorton unleashed dot com, and we're gonna start doing

11:24 Speaker 5: that more. So look for more articles, look for a

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11:30 Speaker 5: full archive of the show going all the way back

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12:15 Speaker 5: I'm nerding out on web design. I don't mean too,

12:19 Speaker 5: It's one of the things I do. But coming up

12:21 Speaker 5: in just a few minutes at ten thirty am for

12:24 Speaker 5: those of you listening live ten thirty am in the

12:26 Speaker 5: Eastern time zone, will be joined by John Poussett Dart,

12:28 Speaker 5: who's got a show coming up right here in Manchester.

12:31 Speaker 5: He's going to be playing next month. Returning to the

12:35 Speaker 5: Rex Theater and cannot wait to talk with him. We've

12:37 Speaker 5: had him on the show before, amazing guest. We had

12:39 Speaker 5: a wonderful conversation. Really looking forward to that. And then

12:42 Speaker 5: of course we've got oh who do we have in

12:46 Speaker 5: the third hour. It's a busy show. Frequency Overload. Great

12:50 Speaker 5: band from New York City, some real New Yorkers if

12:53 Speaker 5: I'm not mistaken, if you know, you know, I found

12:57 Speaker 5: myself saying that a lot lately, if you know, you know. Anyway,

13:01 Speaker 5: before we go on, and we do have some world

13:03 Speaker 5: premierees too that we featured at the top of the

13:05 Speaker 5: show that we're gonna do again in a moment. But

13:07 Speaker 5: I saw some interesting news, you know, we do when

13:09 Speaker 5: we find ourselves with a little bit of extra time,

13:12 Speaker 5: we do like to share some music industry news on

13:15 Speaker 5: the show, and of course one of my favorite websites

13:17 Speaker 5: to go for that is Music Business Worldwide dot com.

13:20 Speaker 5: Now I think it was it becomes a blur. I

13:22 Speaker 5: think it was either last week or the week before.

13:24 Speaker 5: We talked about how Spotify is doing this thing now

13:27 Speaker 5: where they're giving verified badges to artists. So and the

13:33 Speaker 5: reason they're doing this is when they give you a

13:35 Speaker 5: badge if you're on Spotify. If you're an artist and

13:37 Speaker 5: your music is on Spotify and they give you a

13:39 Speaker 5: badge that says verified, that means that those songs are

13:44 Speaker 5: verified to be legitimately put there by that artist. So,

13:50 Speaker 5: in other words, if you if you, because this happens,

13:55 Speaker 5: this kind of thing happens. People do all kinds of

13:57 Speaker 5: stuff to try to scam the listening public and the

14:01 Speaker 5: purveyors of these websites. If you say you put up

14:05 Speaker 5: a song, you put a song on Spotify, and it's

14:09 Speaker 5: either it's not legitimate, maybe you're trying to pass yourself

14:11 Speaker 5: off as somebody else. Maybe you're trying to pass yourself

14:15 Speaker 5: off as Taylor Swift. Maybe you create an account where

14:19 Speaker 5: you claim to be Taylor Swift, but you spell Taylor differently.

14:22 Speaker 5: Maybe you spell it tay l er right and that's

14:25 Speaker 5: your Spotify account instead of how she spells it, and

14:28 Speaker 5: then you put up songs that sound like her.

14:29 Speaker 6: You know you are not well.

14:30 Speaker 5: First of all, once Spotify, once the bots figure out

14:33 Speaker 5: that you've done that, they're going to delete that account.

14:36 Speaker 5: But in the meantime, too, you're not going to be

14:37 Speaker 5: able to get verified. Or if you're just making AI

14:40 Speaker 5: generated music and throwing it up there. They call it

14:43 Speaker 5: AI slop. That is the industry term. Again, they're going

14:47 Speaker 5: to they might just delete your account and ban you,

14:50 Speaker 5: but they're certainly not going to give you a verified badge.

14:53 Speaker 5: Verified badge means that you're legitimate, your music is legitimate,

14:56 Speaker 5: and that you are a verified artist. It's similar to

14:59 Speaker 5: what they do you on you know, they do that

15:01 Speaker 5: on social media platforms. You can get verified quote unquote,

15:04 Speaker 5: usually have to pay for it. It tends to cost

15:06 Speaker 5: money to become a so called verified content creator person

15:12 Speaker 5: who posts on social media whatever it is, right, there's

15:14 Speaker 5: usually a few dollars involved now. And part of why

15:18 Speaker 5: I find this so interesting is because it affects me

15:22 Speaker 5: potentially is they are now offering not only verified artists

15:26 Speaker 5: or badges is the corrector I'm not only verified badges

15:30 Speaker 5: for artists but also for podcasts, and that is important.

15:34 Speaker 5: That affects me because look, I'm an og podcaster. This show,

15:40 Speaker 5: Matt connorton Unleashed, we've been at wmn H for it

15:43 Speaker 5: was nine years in April, but even before that, this

15:47 Speaker 5: show existed originally in podcast form. It started as a

15:50 Speaker 5: podcast and then eventually we had the opportunity to bring

15:52 Speaker 5: it to WM and H. But I've been podcasting since

15:54 Speaker 5: the early two thousands. That's what I mean when I

15:56 Speaker 5: say I'm an OG podcaster. Unfortunately, I didn't know a

16:00 Speaker 5: strike that that nerve where I went on to, you know,

16:05 Speaker 5: because Joe Rogan is an OG podcaster and he's rich

16:08 Speaker 5: and famous and I'm not. I guess this is what

16:09 Speaker 5: I'm trying to say. So, but I have been around

16:12 Speaker 5: doing this for a long time. So this show, like

16:17 Speaker 5: like the other shows here at WM and H, just

16:19 Speaker 5: like the Morning Show with Peter White for example, and others,

16:24 Speaker 5: they go up, you know, once they're done going out live,

16:27 Speaker 5: you know, we record them and then they go on

16:29 Speaker 5: on the website and they go they go online. They

16:32 Speaker 5: become podcasts. Everything becomes a podcast once it's available online

16:36 Speaker 5: to download, stream listen at your convenience. And one of

16:41 Speaker 5: the places that we put this show is Spotify and

16:44 Speaker 5: various other you know, you can get Matt Connerton Unleashed

16:47 Speaker 5: anywhere where you where you find your favorite podcasts. You

16:50 Speaker 5: can subscribe, and you can find it on YouTube, like

16:52 Speaker 5: and subscribe if you do all of that. Plus I

16:54 Speaker 5: have other podcasts and I'm involved in like Tough Bumps

16:57 Speaker 5: for example, or the Mister Iguana Show is somebody likes

17:00 Speaker 5: to refer to it, so you can you can find

17:04 Speaker 5: all that on Spotify, and anyone can submit their podcast

17:08 Speaker 5: to Spotify. But what if someone submits a podcast pretending

17:12 Speaker 5: to be someone else? What if it's counterfeit? What if

17:15 Speaker 5: what if somebody else decides to impersonate me? You know,

17:20 Speaker 5: what if someone decides to do something called, you know,

17:23 Speaker 5: Matt Connerton unbridled or something, or you know, you know,

17:30 Speaker 5: Matt Connerton unrestrained, and then they and then they do

17:33 Speaker 5: an impression of me, and they try to pass it

17:35 Speaker 5: off as me, and they upload the podcast to Spotify.

17:38 Speaker 5: Well hopefully if I notice it, obviously I'm going to

17:40 Speaker 5: report that to Spotify and hopefully they get banned. But

17:43 Speaker 5: in the meantime, until I notice it, I'll tell you

17:45 Speaker 5: one thing, They're not going to be able to get

17:47 Speaker 5: a verified badge because it is not a legitimate podcast.

17:51 Speaker 5: So this is again, this is from Music Business Worldwide

17:54 Speaker 5: dot com. Let's look at this quickly. Spotify extends verified

17:58 Speaker 5: badges to podcasts, further cracking down on AI impersonations. So

18:03 Speaker 5: it says here, Spotify is expanding it's Verified by Spotify

18:07 Speaker 5: Badge program to podcasts. The move, announced on Tuesday, extends

18:12 Speaker 5: to podcast shows the same verification system that Spotify launched

18:17 Speaker 5: for music artists profiles in April. It comes amid growing

18:22 Speaker 5: industry concern over the flood of AI generated podcast content

18:26 Speaker 5: on streaming platforms, with data from Podcasts Index suggesting that

18:31 Speaker 5: AI generated shows now account for more than a third

18:36 Speaker 5: of new podcast feeds. Let's linger on that for just

18:40 Speaker 5: a moment, or let's linger longer for you Opie and

18:44 Speaker 5: Anthony fans. If you know the reference. Think about how

18:50 Speaker 5: many podcasts there are. There's a lot of podcasts. Everybody

18:54 Speaker 5: has a podcast. I mean, you know, if you're expecting

18:59 Speaker 5: a baby, you're probably as you're making these decisions, you're

19:02 Speaker 5: probably thinking about, you know, where you're going to send

19:05 Speaker 5: them to school. You know what their name is going

19:07 Speaker 5: to be, obviously, you know, and what you think the

19:10 Speaker 5: subject and name of their podcasts should be when they

19:13 Speaker 5: do one.

19:13 Speaker 6: Because everybody has a podcast.

19:15 Speaker 5: Now, there was a I saw a homeless gentleman earlier

19:22 Speaker 5: with a sign and it actually had a URL on

19:26 Speaker 5: his sign for his podcast. So everyone has a podcast.

19:32 Speaker 5: But think so when you think about just I mean

19:35 Speaker 5: who God only knows how many podcasts there are and

19:37 Speaker 5: how many new podcasts there are that are going up

19:40 Speaker 5: every single day right. According to Podcast Index, AI generated

19:46 Speaker 5: shows now account for more than a third more than

19:50 Speaker 5: a third of new podcast feeds. That's a lot that

19:56 Speaker 5: is shocking, okay, it says here. The badge the verified

19:59 Speaker 5: badge a the green check mark accompanied by the words

20:01 Speaker 5: verified by Spotify, will appear on podcast show pages and

20:05 Speaker 5: in search results. It identifies a show as the official

20:08 Speaker 5: presence of a creator, publisher, or brand, according to Spotify.

20:12 Speaker 5: Spotify said in a blog post that the badge quote

20:14 Speaker 5: signals the show has been reviewed against Spotify's standards for

20:17 Speaker 5: authenticity and trust, helping listeners understand who they're hearing while

20:22 Speaker 5: giving creators a clear, credible way to establish their identity

20:25 Speaker 5: on our platform. The concept of authenticity and podcasting is

20:30 Speaker 5: complex and quickly evolving, and will continue to develop our

20:33 Speaker 5: approach over time.

20:35 Speaker 6: Quote.

20:35 Speaker 5: Spotify said, verification eligibility will focus on shows the platform

20:39 Speaker 5: can quote confidently authenticate unquote based on a combination of

20:44 Speaker 5: sustained listener activity, good standing with the platform policies, and

20:48 Speaker 5: verified audience authenticity, including safeguards against bot driven listenership.

20:54 Speaker 6: So, in other words, you know, because you can put.

20:56 Speaker 5: A podcast, whether it be Spotify, this happens on YouTube constantly.

21:00 Speaker 5: You know, you can have you can buy views, you

21:02 Speaker 5: can buy listens, and their bots that go and listen

21:07 Speaker 5: to your podcast, and then that, you know, artificially inflates

21:10 Speaker 5: your numbers. Uh so they're they're looking for that too

21:14 Speaker 5: when they're deciding whether or not to verify you. Spotify said, oh, actually,

21:20 Speaker 5: never mind, let's go down. Let's skip down a little bit.

21:23 Speaker 5: Select shows will begin displaying the badge immediately, with a

21:27 Speaker 5: wider rollout expected over the coming months across Spotify's library

21:31 Speaker 5: of more than seven million podcast titles. Again, just think

21:37 Speaker 5: about that, linger on that for a moment.

21:40 Speaker 8: Seven million.

21:41 Speaker 6: That means there are currently more.

21:44 Speaker 5: Than seven million different podcasts on Spotify.

21:50 Speaker 6: I'm telling you everybody has.

21:52 Speaker 5: If you are listening to the show right now and

21:54 Speaker 5: you don't have a podcast, you will someday, I'm quite

21:58 Speaker 5: sure of it. Alongside the verification badges, Spotify also use

22:04 Speaker 5: the announcement to reaffirm its stance on AI generated impersonation

22:07 Speaker 5: in podcasting.

22:08 Speaker 6: Spotify said quote.

22:10 Speaker 5: Our policies have always prohibited unauthorized impersonation. Today we're reaffirming

22:15 Speaker 5: this policy and the context of AI. Spotify will remove

22:19 Speaker 5: podcast shows and content that impersonate another creator or hosts

22:22 Speaker 5: likeness without permission, whether that's using AI, voice, cloning, or

22:27 Speaker 5: any other method unquote. Spotify described the update says, quote

22:32 Speaker 5: the first in a series of steps we're taking to

22:33 Speaker 5: support a more trustworthy podcast ecosystem for creators, partners, and listeners.

22:39 Speaker 5: As creation becomes more accessible, the need for clarity and

22:42 Speaker 5: trust becomes even more important unquote. The podcast verification pushes

22:46 Speaker 5: the latest in a series of measures Spotify is rolled

22:48 Speaker 5: out in twenty twenty six aimed at reinforcing creator identity

22:52 Speaker 5: and combating AI generated content across its platform. In March,

22:57 Speaker 5: Spotify launched its Artist Profile protection feature, in which lets

23:01 Speaker 5: music artists review and approve releases before they appear on

23:04 Speaker 5: their profiles. In April, Spotify began showing AI credits and

23:09 Speaker 5: song credits, allowing listeners to see where artificial intelligence was

23:12 Speaker 5: used in making a track, though the feature depends on

23:15 Speaker 5: voluntary artists disclosure and by the way, a note about

23:21 Speaker 5: that that's understandable because that can get complicated because look,

23:25 Speaker 5: there's so much AI already used in music. You know,

23:28 Speaker 5: even if you go to a recording studio, you know

23:31 Speaker 5: there are programs being used on those computers and recording

23:34 Speaker 5: studios that use AI in some way.

23:37 Speaker 6: So there's more to this. There's more to this article.

23:39 Speaker 5: We're not gonna have time to get through the whole thing,

23:41 Speaker 5: but you can find this again at Music Business Worldwide

23:43 Speaker 5: dot com, one of my favorite sites for music industry news,

23:46 Speaker 5: and the article is titled Spotify extends verified Badges to podcasts,

23:50 Speaker 5: so you can check that out there. What we're gonna

23:53 Speaker 5: do right now is we're going to do our world

23:56 Speaker 5: radio premieres for the week again. We've got two great

23:58 Speaker 5: new tracks and you will have heard them here. First

24:02 Speaker 5: the new single from Replaced by Robots, which is also

24:05 Speaker 5: called Replaced by Robots, and we've got the new single

24:08 Speaker 5: from White Ash called Blue Skies. You're gonna hear both

24:10 Speaker 5: of those, and then we're gonna hear some John Poussett

24:12 Speaker 5: Dart because on the other side of all of that,

24:15 Speaker 5: John Poussett Dart, who has a show coming up right

24:17 Speaker 5: here in Manchester, New Hampshire. He's gonna be on with

24:20 Speaker 5: us via WhatsApp and we're gonna talk about it. Can't

24:22 Speaker 5: wait to talk with him. He's been on the show

24:23 Speaker 5: before and he's a legend. He's a very very interesting

24:27 Speaker 5: guy with a long career. So he's coming up in

24:30 Speaker 5: just a few minutes, but so stick around, plenty more

24:32 Speaker 5: to come. You're listening to Matt connorson Unleashed on WUMNH

24:40 Speaker 5: ninety five point three right now, the world radio premiere

24:44 Speaker 5: brand new from replaced by Robots. This is replaced by

24:49 Speaker 5: robots theme from zero Joy Zero.

25:08 Speaker 1: They're coming to budget just as fast as they can.

25:12 Speaker 9: They're emissions, they're the flat emotions are something the Dona.

25:18 Speaker 3: Stands replaces.

25:28 Speaker 9: From Electric Eyes Have Aware Search, Say invent Beware.

25:52 Speaker 3: Replaced replaced by fin too much of their thins.

26:42 Speaker 7: Not no.

26:45 Speaker 10: To get the satisfied, my Lord, all the long and

26:54 Speaker 10: longly lonely.

26:56 Speaker 1: Lodly night.

27:29 Speaker 5: And now another world radio premiere. You heard it here

27:33 Speaker 5: first on WMNH ninety five point three FM and Matt

27:36 Speaker 5: connorton Unleashed. It is the second single from White Ash,

27:41 Speaker 5: coming out May twenty seven.

27:43 Speaker 6: This is called Blue Skies.

28:00 Speaker 4: Hedge.

28:00 Speaker 11: It's night one running out the Feu to worlds.

28:06 Speaker 4: Let it be a fount you.

28:08 Speaker 12: Over the food shovel when your back is a cancer,

28:14 Speaker 12: blue child, where batches back you need.

28:19 Speaker 11: In fat blueskin got you what you find? No head,

28:32 Speaker 11: never find your mother chasing yet Dad already God, but

28:38 Speaker 11: you gotta get there. Let me see he is immediately

28:54 Speaker 11: a lot of candles that pass that scene into the hand.

29:00 Speaker 1: Watch me do.

29:02 Speaker 13: Tell me when you get.

29:03 Speaker 14: There, tell me life, scot see you too, gotchee come to.

29:15 Speaker 1: Ye botch Mama checks you neat today by what you're

29:21 Speaker 1: gonna get that?

29:40 Speaker 14: Where the sky the sky there the yeh bots Papa Jason.

30:00 Speaker 3: Gas you know get that?

30:30 Speaker 7: Will you walk down the street by my side for

30:59 Speaker 7: a little wow?

31:01 Speaker 1: Can we talk back.

31:03 Speaker 15: Of friends even know we never let Would you trust

31:09 Speaker 15: your words to me and let.

31:11 Speaker 1: Them fall to who we?

31:14 Speaker 4: Can we.

31:17 Speaker 3: Jews talk?

31:21 Speaker 1: Would you show me je sweet and your family? Will

31:28 Speaker 1: you tell me about your work?

31:31 Speaker 8: And wat your hands are ill?

31:33 Speaker 1: Today we sit down fall and while reveler what is

31:39 Speaker 1: learn to smile? He don't ask me anything you want?

31:43 Speaker 3: Mat Can we Jews talk?

31:55 Speaker 9: Cart there dreams in our hearts, the people shaos.

32:01 Speaker 8: On our world so much closer than we did to

32:06 Speaker 8: believe in this life we get shared so much time.

32:13 Speaker 1: If we just take the time, you.

32:20 Speaker 3: Can we have.

32:23 Speaker 4: Je talk?

32:52 Speaker 1: Can we Je talk? And can you tell me what

33:01 Speaker 1: makes you scared when you lay down your head at night.

33:08 Speaker 1: And I'll let you see the broken me, the one

33:12 Speaker 1: who lets his ghosts run free.

33:16 Speaker 15: And we will be two sailors on the same boat

33:20 Speaker 15: on the journey, and we'll prevail against.

33:25 Speaker 1: The wind, against the dy and me.

33:29 Speaker 3: When when.

33:32 Speaker 16: Juice talk, when the Wii, when juice talk, When when.

33:45 Speaker 5: Just talk?

33:48 Speaker 9: When the.

33:51 Speaker 3: Juice talk.

34:05 Speaker 1: I know I'm not perfect.

34:08 Speaker 13: I've got a long way to go, and when it

34:13 Speaker 13: comes to make changes, I can.

34:17 Speaker 2: Move on the store.

34:21 Speaker 1: Own your runs.

34:25 Speaker 17: I can see some higher ground. I just want to

34:31 Speaker 17: start climbing before the sun goes down.

34:39 Speaker 1: I know I waste too much precious time looking back

34:45 Speaker 1: at the past.

34:48 Speaker 15: It a time in at of morrow to give me

34:53 Speaker 15: what's going last. I want to do what I can

34:59 Speaker 15: do with what I've got. Tune a fine mileway and

35:06 Speaker 15: try to get better, a little bitter every day. Yeah,

35:15 Speaker 15: try to get better.

35:18 Speaker 1: A little bitter every.

35:23 Speaker 5: Better every day. That sounds good to me. And we've

35:25 Speaker 5: got John Poose at Dart with us via phone.

35:28 Speaker 4: Hello John, Hey Matt, how you doing good?

35:31 Speaker 5: Good, welcome back to the show, and thank you for

35:32 Speaker 5: being flexible. We were going to do this via WhatsApp,

35:35 Speaker 5: but I'm having all kinds of WhatsApp issues today, so

35:37 Speaker 5: we're doing it old.

35:38 Speaker 6: School on the phone.

35:39 Speaker 5: But you are going to be returning to Manchester, New

35:44 Speaker 5: Hampshire very shortly, let's see June fifth at the Rex Theater.

35:49 Speaker 5: So it's wonderful to gives us an excuse to talk

35:51 Speaker 5: because I looked it up. The last time you were

35:53 Speaker 5: on the show with us, it was all the way

35:54 Speaker 5: back in September of twenty four, so it's wonderful to

35:57 Speaker 5: speak with you again.

35:58 Speaker 6: It's been a while.

36:00 Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's good. Thank you for having me. It's

36:02 Speaker 4: just good and we're looking forward to coming back to

36:04 Speaker 4: the Rex, which is a really nice room.

36:05 Speaker 1: It is.

36:06 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a very nice place.

36:07 Speaker 5: If anyone hasn't been there, I suggest that they check

36:10 Speaker 5: it out and this will be a perfect opportunity to

36:12 Speaker 5: do so on on June fifth at seven thirty pm.

36:15 Speaker 5: And it is, of course it is the John Poussett

36:18 Speaker 5: Dart Duo. Now is it the same duo? Are you

36:22 Speaker 5: performing with the same gentleman that you've been performing with

36:25 Speaker 5: for the last I don't know how many years now, right.

36:27 Speaker 4: Jim, it's been it's been quite a while. Yeah, Jim

36:30 Speaker 4: and I have been playing together for oh god, we've

36:33 Speaker 4: been playing it over twenty twenty five years now. It

36:35 Speaker 4: seems like, you know, we we he played in the

36:37 Speaker 4: band when we were the last you know, the band

36:39 Speaker 4: we had, which was quartet, and we've really kind of

36:43 Speaker 4: stripped down to a duo just because people really seem

36:45 Speaker 4: to respond to that setting, because it's just really intimate

36:48 Speaker 4: and organic and the song's really come through. So it's

36:51 Speaker 4: really enjoyable to kind of work, you know, in the

36:54 Speaker 4: in the duo setting, and we did. It's a really

36:56 Speaker 4: nice kind of intimate exchange, you know.

36:59 Speaker 6: Jim Chaplane. Am I saying his name correctly?

37:01 Speaker 4: Yeah, Jim Chapline. Yeah, we've been working together for many

37:03 Speaker 4: years now.

37:04 Speaker 6: Okay, okay, now do you uh? Do you do the

37:07 Speaker 6: entire set? Uh with the two of you?

37:09 Speaker 7: Are?

37:09 Speaker 6: Are there? Is there anything that you do just by yourself?

37:11 Speaker 6: Or is it are all the songs we do?

37:14 Speaker 9: All?

37:14 Speaker 4: We do the whole set together, you know, and we

37:16 Speaker 4: we ranged this.

37:17 Speaker 1: What we do.

37:18 Speaker 4: Is I really kind of go through extensively all all

37:22 Speaker 4: the all the albums, the Capitol records. We kind of

37:25 Speaker 4: cover all the most known tracks that people no probably

37:28 Speaker 4: know the best, and and then also go through subsequent

37:32 Speaker 4: solo records and many individual singles that have been released since.

37:35 Speaker 4: So it covers a wide swat and a few kind

37:37 Speaker 4: of obscure covers. So, oh, really covers a wide swath

37:40 Speaker 4: of material. And h and Jim and I have been

37:43 Speaker 4: playing for so long together that there's just it's a

37:45 Speaker 4: really nice chemistry and we kind of have a good

37:48 Speaker 4: idea of what each other are is going to do,

37:50 Speaker 4: you know, very well. We're pretty pretty well attuned to

37:52 Speaker 4: each other where he's like a musical brother to me.

37:54 Speaker 4: So it's it's it's a it's a nice fit.

37:56 Speaker 6: Oh, that's excellent.

37:57 Speaker 5: When you find somebody to play with who you have

37:58 Speaker 5: that with, you know, it almost because like you know,

38:01 Speaker 5: almost becomes like telepathy, right, like intuitive.

38:05 Speaker 16: It is.

38:05 Speaker 4: And also we share we've known a lot of work

38:08 Speaker 4: with a lot of the same people. You know, he

38:09 Speaker 4: worked with Al Anderson from n RBQ is like one

38:12 Speaker 4: of the great guitar players American guitar players. And we

38:15 Speaker 4: toured for years within RBQ, and he knows worked with

38:18 Speaker 4: a lot of friends in Nashville that I've worked with

38:20 Speaker 4: through the years, and we did all of our original

38:22 Speaker 4: records there, and I was back in Nashville for many

38:25 Speaker 4: years living down there and writing and working, so we

38:29 Speaker 4: have a lot of mutual friends there as well.

38:31 Speaker 5: Now, it seems like you've been continuing to release new

38:33 Speaker 5: singles right and video content, which is wonderful. Do you

38:39 Speaker 5: Is that kind of how you see yourself continuing and

38:42 Speaker 5: definitely into the future, because obviously, you know, there are

38:45 Speaker 5: some artists who still insist on putting out full albums

38:48 Speaker 5: and even releasing vinyl, But but you seem to have

38:50 Speaker 5: settled into a nice groove doing it the way that

38:52 Speaker 5: you've been doing it, and the songs are great. You know,

38:55 Speaker 5: I love that song better every day. We'll play the

38:57 Speaker 5: entire song at the end of our conversation today, and

39:00 Speaker 5: we did play right before I called you, we played

39:03 Speaker 5: can We Just Talk, which is also a wonderful song.

39:05 Speaker 5: But obviously the way the way that you release music

39:08 Speaker 5: has changed certainly from when you started.

39:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know what I've been following kind of

39:13 Speaker 4: pretty much. What's what's been going on? As the mediums

39:16 Speaker 4: have changed. You know, when we when I first started out,

39:18 Speaker 4: you know, we were it was I was in Wisconsin

39:20 Speaker 4: album radio or its full albums that we were releasing,

39:22 Speaker 4: and that was what would get reviewed, not even singles,

39:24 Speaker 4: but full albums. Yeah, and that was what radio was

39:27 Speaker 4: was was centered around. And as time has evolved, when's

39:30 Speaker 4: gone from the vinyl to the you know, to CD

39:33 Speaker 4: to cassette, and it's moved through all its mediums and

39:36 Speaker 4: through the way music is received through the portals. Now

39:39 Speaker 4: with streaming, it's the attention spans have kind of shrunk

39:42 Speaker 4: down to you know, five or ten seconds or less,

39:46 Speaker 4: you know, to get an attention span of people have

39:48 Speaker 4: tuned into things. So it's become it's become, you know,

39:51 Speaker 4: because of streaming, I've found and I'm I put the

39:54 Speaker 4: last record I put out, and you know a couple

39:56 Speaker 4: of records you just mentioned talk The last record I

39:58 Speaker 4: put out, I put a huge amount of effort into

40:01 Speaker 4: and I got together with Bill Warndick and put together

40:08 Speaker 4: the cream of the crop of the muscle shows and

40:10 Speaker 4: Memphis Rhythm Section for that down in Nashville at Ronnie

40:13 Speaker 4: Millsap's place. We worked really hard on that record, and

40:16 Speaker 4: I thought it was the best record I ever made,

40:18 Speaker 4: and it was almost invisible in terms of the delivery

40:20 Speaker 4: system the way things are now, because it just kind

40:22 Speaker 4: of went by and people didn't even know it was there.

40:25 Speaker 4: And what you know, you put a lot of work

40:27 Speaker 4: into an album and people catch maybe one cutter maybe

40:30 Speaker 4: too and they never get never really received the whole record.

40:34 Speaker 4: So I really addressed kind of the way things are

40:37 Speaker 4: kind of coming down through the portals of people are

40:40 Speaker 4: really listening to things, and so I've been focusing, like

40:42 Speaker 4: going back to the days of singles and putting out

40:45 Speaker 4: singles with videos regularly, so I don't wait, I don't

40:49 Speaker 4: I put them out so there's a constant stream of

40:51 Speaker 4: things coming rather than like waiting for a long time,

40:54 Speaker 4: putting out a release, seeing a few cuts get through,

40:56 Speaker 4: and then going back and putting a whole lot more

40:59 Speaker 4: work into another album. Right, So it's just a different

41:01 Speaker 4: way of kind of addressing it. It's I've just kind

41:03 Speaker 4: of been following what seems to be happening, and you know,

41:07 Speaker 4: these days there's not even CD players in cars, right,

41:10 Speaker 4: It's come down to streaming, and people are really hearing

41:12 Speaker 4: things via streaming. So that's it seems that that's kind

41:16 Speaker 4: of what is the meaning at the moment.

41:19 Speaker 5: Absolutely, there's also you know, for an artist who has

41:22 Speaker 5: the material that you have, you know, spanning multiple decades,

41:26 Speaker 5: there's that that thing of I've heard Paul Stanley of

41:30 Speaker 5: Kiss has described it this way. When you've been around

41:32 Speaker 5: a long time, at a certain point, you're sort of

41:34 Speaker 5: competing against what you've already done because people who've been fans,

41:38 Speaker 5: who've been with you for a long time, they have

41:40 Speaker 5: certain memories attached and therefore emotional connections to your earlier music.

41:45 Speaker 5: So then you're sort of you're sort of competing against that.

41:49 Speaker 5: But obviously for you, it's really important to continue to

41:52 Speaker 5: create and evolve and put out new music. I mean,

41:55 Speaker 5: I assuming, I mean, it sounds like it's very important

41:57 Speaker 5: to you to do that.

41:59 Speaker 4: Well, I think it's just you know, I think as

42:01 Speaker 4: I think all musicians and all artists you know, in general,

42:05 Speaker 4: I think, are really involved in what they're currently doing

42:08 Speaker 4: and and you know, and are kind of moving ahead constantly,

42:10 Speaker 4: So you're you're kind of pretty much always ahead of

42:13 Speaker 4: wherever you know, whatever's out there is there, so you're

42:16 Speaker 4: kind of like moving ahead of you know, you're you're

42:18 Speaker 4: you're trying to keep you know, a pace of going

42:20 Speaker 4: what you're creatively up to. So so you know, I

42:23 Speaker 4: I just I feel like, you know, you I guess

42:26 Speaker 4: you could, you know, just sit back and just you know,

42:28 Speaker 4: stay with the things you're doing, but you know, the

42:30 Speaker 4: the things you've done before. But I find, you know,

42:33 Speaker 4: I find most most people want to keep pushing ahead

42:35 Speaker 4: creatively and keep where you know, looking forward and moving forward.

42:38 Speaker 4: And so that's that's pretty much where I am. And

42:41 Speaker 4: you know, music has always been it's really been my

42:45 Speaker 4: first love. You know, It's been something I was connected

42:47 Speaker 4: to ever since I was a child, and so it's

42:49 Speaker 4: something that I, you know, if I constantly feel a

42:51 Speaker 4: need to to to try and find things the things

42:55 Speaker 4: that are you know, to express about what's happening. And

42:58 Speaker 4: I'm always trying to kind of trying to find the

43:00 Speaker 4: silver lining and whatever's going on. So that's that's a

43:03 Speaker 4: constant right now.

43:05 Speaker 5: With the studio work that you do. Does Jim also

43:08 Speaker 5: play on those tracks or is that strictly Yeah.

43:11 Speaker 4: It's she. It's quite a mixture. In other words, we've

43:14 Speaker 4: done we've done a few. The record you just played

43:17 Speaker 4: we did there's on that there's a mixture of cuts

43:19 Speaker 4: that there's things we did together on that record and

43:22 Speaker 4: the record the song you Just Played Better every Day,

43:24 Speaker 4: that was done with I wrote that with Gary Nicholson,

43:27 Speaker 4: who's an amazing writer in Nashville and he's from Texas.

43:32 Speaker 4: And on that track, I had Reese Winding from from

43:35 Speaker 4: Stevie Ray's Van Double Troubles on keyboards and there was

43:39 Speaker 4: that was a really nice section of guys and Pete

43:41 Speaker 4: pat mcgoffin on guitar. So there's a here's a mixture

43:44 Speaker 4: of things, you know, it moves around sometimes. Some of

43:48 Speaker 4: the cuts came from things that I songs that I

43:50 Speaker 4: co wrote Nashville and recorded Nasville and other things we

43:52 Speaker 4: did up here at Jim's play. So it's a that

43:55 Speaker 4: that record, any Gravity, was a mixture of things. Talk

43:59 Speaker 4: the most recent record that you played of Can We

44:02 Speaker 4: Just Talk? Was done at Ronnie Mosap's place. Well, Bill Warndeck,

44:07 Speaker 4: who since passes what it was a brilliant engineer, producer,

44:10 Speaker 4: and we did that with just I just had like

44:13 Speaker 4: my dream a dream team on that, Reggie Young, who

44:15 Speaker 4: is my favorite guitar player, Bernona who since passed and

44:19 Speaker 4: I got Dan Dug Moore and Glenn Wharf and David

44:22 Speaker 4: Hungate and Glenn Morrow, and I mean it was like

44:25 Speaker 4: the dream section of players. And I had to do

44:28 Speaker 4: duets with Becca Bramlett Bonding Delaney's daughter, and Ronda Vincent

44:34 Speaker 4: and Joe l Mauser. So I had a really great

44:37 Speaker 4: you know, that was a really great record for me.

44:39 Speaker 4: I mean a record I really enjoyed making. And then

44:42 Speaker 4: since then, like I said, like you mentioned, I started

44:47 Speaker 4: moving over to singles and doing Right now, there's another

44:51 Speaker 4: I've just finished another song which we're doing actually a full, full,

44:57 Speaker 4: really film video with an Argentine director that will work

45:01 Speaker 4: on now on a song. I just finished that. So

45:03 Speaker 4: there's another film coming forth on a song I just completed.

45:06 Speaker 4: It was really written for this film that I had

45:09 Speaker 4: in mind.

45:10 Speaker 6: Oh wow, Oh that's amazing. That's exciting. That's very cool,

45:13 Speaker 6: very cool.

45:15 Speaker 4: Yeah.

45:15 Speaker 6: Can I can I ask you two about this?

45:17 Speaker 3: So the song.

45:19 Speaker 6: Put Your Gun Down, that was originally called Ready to Fly?

45:23 Speaker 6: Is that correct?

45:24 Speaker 4: No, that it's just the record.

45:27 Speaker 16: No, it was.

45:27 Speaker 4: There was a release put Down Your Gun. It was

45:30 Speaker 4: always titled put Down Your Gun. It got re released

45:33 Speaker 4: because I wrote it was and it was I was

45:36 Speaker 4: released on a on a compilation for the Anti Handgun Coalition.

45:39 Speaker 6: Way back, okay, and then uh and and and then

45:42 Speaker 6: it was re.

45:43 Speaker 4: Released on I was put Down Your Gun on the

45:46 Speaker 4: on the album, which was the last record that the

45:49 Speaker 4: original band re recorded in and actually record that Marvel Heead,

45:53 Speaker 4: Massachusetts and with the original band, and that track was

45:58 Speaker 4: uh uh put on your Gun was was was originally

46:02 Speaker 4: written to support the anti handgun Coalition And Okay, I

46:06 Speaker 4: was going to do another version of it, but boy,

46:09 Speaker 4: there's a real division in the country about that issue.

46:13 Speaker 4: There's there's there's things you have to take into consideration

46:16 Speaker 4: these days of what's going on in the country.

46:18 Speaker 6: Okay.

46:19 Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I was curious because I that was something

46:21 Speaker 5: that I didn't I didn't realize when we had talked

46:25 Speaker 5: the first time and I happen to see that, I

46:27 Speaker 5: was like, oh, that's very interesting because I didn't know

46:29 Speaker 5: about that. And you do always get into I mean,

46:33 Speaker 5: it is it is divisive, and you know a lot

46:35 Speaker 5: of people think that and this is not my personal view,

46:37 Speaker 5: but a lot of people think that you shouldn't, you know,

46:39 Speaker 5: if you're a musician or if you're some sort of entertainer.

46:42 Speaker 5: Some people don't want you to take a stance on anything.

46:45 Speaker 5: It's like they think it's disappointing or it's frustrating to them.

46:48 Speaker 5: But I always say, well, regardless of who you are,

46:52 Speaker 5: whether you're a public person or a private person, whether

46:54 Speaker 5: you're famous or not famous, you have a right to

46:56 Speaker 5: your opinions, and you have a right to express them.

46:58 Speaker 5: And you know, even if I don't, even if I

47:00 Speaker 5: don't agree with somebody, I you know, I encourage, uh.

47:03 Speaker 5: I mean, I'm always open to hearing. In fact, if anything,

47:05 Speaker 5: I'm always kind of curious what people think. That's part

47:08 Speaker 5: of what I do.

47:09 Speaker 4: I support that one hundred percent.

47:11 Speaker 2: You know.

47:11 Speaker 4: I really believe all artists should do whatever they feel

47:14 Speaker 4: the importance to do. And I think speaking up politically

47:16 Speaker 4: is actually the the the uh, something that all artists

47:21 Speaker 4: should be, should be folks should you know, do within it,

47:24 Speaker 4: within their own constitute what they feel and express it

47:26 Speaker 4: exactly as they see fits, right, And I think it's

47:28 Speaker 4: really important for artists to do that, and I think

47:30 Speaker 4: that's what art is about. And I think that people

47:32 Speaker 4: don't want that to be mixed into music are just

47:34 Speaker 4: kind of obscuring a very important missing the point, or

47:37 Speaker 4: just wanting pure entertainment for your pure entertainment value, which

47:41 Speaker 4: to me is worth nothing. You know, you have to

47:43 Speaker 4: have part and soul and and and be saying the

47:46 Speaker 4: things that are important to you as an artist through

47:48 Speaker 4: every medium that you're dealing, whether it's music, film, or

47:51 Speaker 4: books or anything anything with intellectual copyright. So yes, I

47:55 Speaker 4: can I completely concur that, you know, I mean, protest songs,

47:58 Speaker 4: anything that's all important, all important parts of of of

48:03 Speaker 4: of you know, of being expressing the integral things that

48:07 Speaker 4: need to be spoken about. And you know, some music

48:10 Speaker 4: is entertaining and some music has has has points to

48:12 Speaker 4: be made. They're all it's all part of an important

48:16 Speaker 4: message and it's all part of music and.

48:18 Speaker 5: Art right absolutely, And you as a listener you're free

48:20 Speaker 5: to accept or reject whatever whatever you want, you know,

48:24 Speaker 5: in terms of the message. And you know, and and

48:27 Speaker 5: art is subjective anyway, so it doesn't it doesn't necessarily

48:29 Speaker 5: even have to mean to you as a listener what

48:31 Speaker 5: it meant to the artist. But but yeah, it's funny

48:34 Speaker 5: too when people get when people get up tied about

48:35 Speaker 5: it too. It's like, well, you know, like rock and

48:37 Speaker 5: roll is supposed to be rebellious, and yet some people

48:40 Speaker 5: think that rock and roll should be about falling in line,

48:43 Speaker 5: and uh, you know, it's it's strange.

48:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I agreeably. I mean, you know, we're going

48:49 Speaker 4: through a very difficult time where we're you know, I mean,

48:53 Speaker 4: there's there's so many issues that are problematic right now

48:55 Speaker 4: with going on trying to decide what people should or

48:58 Speaker 4: shouldn't get or you know, trying to send through what

49:00 Speaker 4: what is what is funny or not funny, or what's

49:02 Speaker 4: what you know, what is appropriate or not appropriate? And

49:04 Speaker 4: it's it's it's you know, it's it's a very you know,

49:08 Speaker 4: we're we're we're in a kind of in a dark

49:09 Speaker 4: place at the moment with that. And I think that,

49:11 Speaker 4: you know, the kind of people need to really stand

49:13 Speaker 4: up for what they believe in and and and freedom

49:16 Speaker 4: of speech and the and the great thing about this

49:18 Speaker 4: country is people can say what they want to say,

49:20 Speaker 4: and they have the freedom to say it and there's

49:21 Speaker 4: nothing should be countering that. And so I'm a firm

49:24 Speaker 4: believer that all people have the right to to to

49:28 Speaker 4: to express themselves how they see fit and live their

49:30 Speaker 4: lives how they see.

49:31 Speaker 5: Fit And by the way, I'm curious about this current tour,

49:35 Speaker 5: So are you are you going all over the US

49:38 Speaker 5: on this track or where do you go after you

49:41 Speaker 5: hit Manchester in June?

49:42 Speaker 6: Where do you go next?

49:44 Speaker 4: We've been mostly leaning on the Northeast because largely just

49:47 Speaker 4: because there's you know, there's a steady, steady following here.

49:50 Speaker 4: And I used to tour the whole country extensively, but

49:54 Speaker 4: in the times it's it's become in order to keep up,

49:57 Speaker 4: like a whole route to the country, you really have

49:59 Speaker 4: to keep up in cessan touring, and I slowed down

50:01 Speaker 4: a bit, and so some of the some of the

50:03 Speaker 4: there's areas where I can go. But when you go

50:06 Speaker 4: out and you're trying to do isolated dates, let's say

50:08 Speaker 4: in the Southwest or the northwest, or you know, when

50:11 Speaker 4: you get out there and you and you get on

50:12 Speaker 4: a plane, you're taking your guitars out, and you're and

50:14 Speaker 4: you're traveling long distances, it's really hard to make the

50:17 Speaker 4: whole picture the ends meet. Economically, it becomes almost an

50:21 Speaker 4: economic equation to try and make all of it at work.

50:24 Speaker 4: So the Northeast has become a really kind of practical

50:28 Speaker 4: place for me to be touring right now the most

50:30 Speaker 4: for the most part, and we do, I do jump

50:32 Speaker 4: out to other areas sporadically, but most of these most

50:35 Speaker 4: of these things are scattered through uh that we're turning now,

50:38 Speaker 4: or through uh Connecticut and New Hampshire, Massachusetts, New York, Vermont, Maine,

50:44 Speaker 4: you know, and and in this in this part of

50:46 Speaker 4: the country, and there's you know, we I get offers

50:51 Speaker 4: that committed from various places, and I would like to

50:53 Speaker 4: be doing some things and places that I used to

50:55 Speaker 4: do a lot of work in Colorado and California and

50:57 Speaker 4: parts of the south uh, in the Southwest, but it

51:01 Speaker 4: becomes harder and harder to do that. And I can't

51:04 Speaker 4: tell you how difficult.

51:05 Speaker 15: It is these days.

51:07 Speaker 4: I play, I travel two guitars, and Jim travels with

51:11 Speaker 4: two guitars. And when you try and get your gear

51:15 Speaker 4: to an airbit and get your guitarist on planes these

51:19 Speaker 4: days and get everything near in one piece with your equipment,

51:23 Speaker 4: it's no easy task. You know. It's like it requires

51:25 Speaker 4: a little bit.

51:26 Speaker 5: Of work, right, absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, you know, gas is

51:31 Speaker 5: pretty expensive too, and that's another that's another issue. And yeah,

51:35 Speaker 5: touring has become a lot of a lot of artists

51:37 Speaker 5: have complained to touring over the past few years, even

51:40 Speaker 5: before you know this current spike and gas prices of course,

51:43 Speaker 5: that it's become really cost prohibitive.

51:45 Speaker 6: It's very, very difficult now.

51:48 Speaker 4: Yeah, and also, you know the kind of the catch

51:52 Speaker 4: twenty two of that is it, you know, a lot

51:55 Speaker 4: of artists coming up, younger artists think, you know that

52:00 Speaker 4: kind of by uh, kind of planting their their persona

52:04 Speaker 4: on the Internet and trying to establish themselves through that

52:08 Speaker 4: that medium, that that alone is going to kind of

52:10 Speaker 4: give them, you know, put them on the map. And

52:14 Speaker 4: it's just it's it's just not so you know, and

52:16 Speaker 4: other and in order to really you know, earn a

52:20 Speaker 4: a a following that has a roots, you know, you

52:23 Speaker 4: really kind of have to go out and hit the

52:25 Speaker 4: road in earnest and very you know, like for and

52:29 Speaker 4: for protracted periods of time to really gain a market share.

52:34 Speaker 4: And that's kind of what it's you know, I think

52:35 Speaker 4: that's never that's never ever stopped being true. And I

52:38 Speaker 4: think that's the you know, the the real you know,

52:40 Speaker 4: the real barometer of really kind of getting through is

52:44 Speaker 4: by really being committed to the road. And it's a

52:47 Speaker 4: harder and harder thing to do.

52:48 Speaker 5: Like you mentioned, you know, it absolutely is absolutely well again,

52:54 Speaker 5: I just want to remind people and if you're just

52:55 Speaker 5: joining us, of course we have John Posse at Dart

52:57 Speaker 5: with us because the John Posse at Dart Duo is

53:00 Speaker 5: going to be at the Rex Theater on June fifth

53:03 Speaker 5: at seven point thirty, and there's no opener for this,

53:06 Speaker 5: correct John, it's just you guys.

53:08 Speaker 4: I don't think so if I remember correctly, last time

53:12 Speaker 4: we did not have an opener, so I think it'll

53:15 Speaker 4: just be asked. I think that's correct.

53:16 Speaker 6: How long do you play for? Is it a couple

53:17 Speaker 6: of hours or yeah?

53:20 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like you know, usually we do ninety or

53:22 Speaker 4: you know, or you know, or longer so you know,

53:25 Speaker 4: like or an hour YouTube, couple hours, you know. It

53:28 Speaker 4: really it moves, it bends and flows, you know. It

53:31 Speaker 4: depends on what people you know, It really depends on

53:33 Speaker 4: the room and what's going on. But yeah, something you know.

53:36 Speaker 4: So usually we do one long set that goes on

53:38 Speaker 4: for goes on for a bit of time.

53:40 Speaker 5: Yeah, oh that's great. That can be an advantage with

53:42 Speaker 5: not having an opener too. It kind of it tends

53:44 Speaker 5: to give you more time and flexibility with that. So

53:47 Speaker 5: that oh that's really good.

53:49 Speaker 6: So yeah, I.

53:49 Speaker 5: Encourage people they can go too. Well, actually if you

53:52 Speaker 5: go to the Rex. Oh sorry, go ahead, John, No,

53:55 Speaker 5: the Rex.

53:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, the Rex, which is a really nice room. It's

53:58 Speaker 4: the people run it or it's really good crew.

54:00 Speaker 6: Yeah. Absolutely.

54:02 Speaker 5: And of course all your tour dates are up at

54:04 Speaker 5: whoset dash dart dot com, so I encourage people to

54:08 Speaker 5: check that out too, because obviously yeah, June fit well,

54:11 Speaker 5: actually that's not that far away, a couple of weeks,

54:13 Speaker 5: but no.

54:14 Speaker 4: That's coming. We're playing tonight at Arlow Gutrie's place, the

54:17 Speaker 4: gut Center and Great Barrington, Mass.

54:19 Speaker 6: Oh no kidding, we're.

54:20 Speaker 4: Jumping, we're jumping all over the place.

54:22 Speaker 9: Yeah.

54:22 Speaker 4: We used to do a lot of work with Arlow

54:24 Speaker 4: and I love Arlow. Oh wow, we'll be there tonight.

54:27 Speaker 4: But he has a wonderful church called the Gutry Center. Okay,

54:31 Speaker 4: we're playing there tonight.

54:32 Speaker 6: Oh, very cool.

54:33 Speaker 5: I'm glad you mentioned that. Excellent, excellent, So that's tonight

54:35 Speaker 5: in Great Barrington.

54:37 Speaker 6: Is that what it's called?

54:38 Speaker 4: Great Barrington, Mass. Yeah, we're doing that tonight.

54:40 Speaker 5: Yet, very good, very good, excellent, Well John, uh, I

54:44 Speaker 5: appreciate you being here with us again. Uh, we'll have

54:47 Speaker 5: to make sure we don't like quite so much time

54:48 Speaker 5: go by before we talk to you next, because you're

54:50 Speaker 5: always creating and releasing new music. So even if you

54:52 Speaker 5: don't have a show in the area, you know, whenever

54:54 Speaker 5: you have a new single or anything, that's a great

54:56 Speaker 5: excuse to have on because we always really enjoy talking

54:58 Speaker 5: with you. But I'm glad you able to be here

55:00 Speaker 5: with us today and again I will remind people June

55:02 Speaker 5: fifth at the Rex Theater at seven point thirty the

55:05 Speaker 5: John Whosett Dart Duo, And at the conclusion of our conversation,

55:10 Speaker 5: I am going to play I'll play it all the

55:12 Speaker 5: way through this time better every day.

55:14 Speaker 6: But I really love this song.

55:16 Speaker 5: Can you before we do that, before we let you go,

55:18 Speaker 5: can you tell me anything about the inspiration for the song,

55:21 Speaker 5: because I really like this a lot.

55:24 Speaker 4: You know. I'm glad you like that because I do too,

55:26 Speaker 4: you know I was I wrote that with Gary Nicholson

55:29 Speaker 4: and Gary Nicholson people need to like, really explore more

55:32 Speaker 4: of him. He's he's just a treasure and he's from

55:35 Speaker 4: Texas and he's written so many great hits for Bonnie Raid,

55:40 Speaker 4: Vince Gil, Patty Loveless, VD, King, Doctor John. I mean,

55:45 Speaker 4: he's had just this. He's just an amazing laundry list

55:50 Speaker 4: of absolutely incredible songs he's written. And he's just a

55:53 Speaker 4: wonderful musician. And I loved writing with Gary, and and

55:58 Speaker 4: after we wrote the song with him, he agreed that

56:00 Speaker 4: we produce it at his place, and so I did

56:03 Speaker 4: it his studio in Nashville. And as I mentioned, Rhys Winans,

56:07 Speaker 4: who is from Stevie Raisman Double Trouble is just an

56:10 Speaker 4: amazing keyboard player. And Tom Hambridge who has been doing

56:16 Speaker 4: Buddy Guy. He produced all the Buddy Guy's stuff now

56:19 Speaker 4: and is on drums. And Pat McLoughlin is an amazing

56:22 Speaker 4: guitar player. And Joe alm Mosser, who's just astoundingly great

56:26 Speaker 4: singer from that she's one of my favorite singers. So

56:30 Speaker 4: it was like a really great section and Gary was

56:34 Speaker 4: part of that. And so you know, I urge anybody

56:37 Speaker 4: to look up Gary Nicholson, because boy, he's got he's

56:40 Speaker 4: just got a just so much good music. He's he's

56:44 Speaker 4: been behind for from years and years and years and years,

56:47 Speaker 4: so he's he's a real treasure.

56:48 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, yeah, I mean it shows them the results.

56:51 Speaker 5: This is just a wonderful song, so we will We'll

56:55 Speaker 5: let you go, my friend, John Possette Dart again June

56:57 Speaker 5: fifth at the Rex Theater the John Poussette Our Duo.

57:01 Speaker 5: Hopefully we'll talk to you again soon and h and

57:03 Speaker 5: again thank you for joining us today. This has been

57:05 Speaker 5: wonderful as always.

57:07 Speaker 4: Man, it's always great to talk to and thank you

57:09 Speaker 4: for having me. I really appreciate it.

57:10 Speaker 6: You got it anytime, all right, Thanks John, take.

57:12 Speaker 4: Care okay, have a good weekend YouTube bye bye.

57:16 Speaker 5: All right. That is the great John Poosett Dart and

57:19 Speaker 5: uh here it is. This is called better every Day.

57:31 Speaker 1: I know I'm not perfect.

57:35 Speaker 13: I've got a long way to go, and when it

57:40 Speaker 13: comes to make changes, I can move.

57:48 Speaker 3: Well.

57:52 Speaker 17: I can see some higher ground. I just want to

57:57 Speaker 17: start claming before the sun goes down.

58:06 Speaker 1: I know I waste too much precious time looking back

58:12 Speaker 1: at the pass. It a time in all of my

58:18 Speaker 1: role to give me what's gonna last. I wanna do

58:24 Speaker 1: what I can do.

58:26 Speaker 15: With what I've got til I find my own way

58:33 Speaker 15: and try to get better.

58:36 Speaker 1: A little better every day and try to get better

58:45 Speaker 1: a little better everyday,