Matt Connarton Unleashed 5-23-26 hour 2

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4:33 Speaker 5: That is a new single from Noir Addiction that is called served Me Some Crime. They were supposed to be with us this morning, but apparently there's some kind of an emergency with those guys with sunny Landagan, so he had to cancel. They will reschedule, but something came up. So they are in Italy. So maybe there's something going on in Italy. I don't know, but anyway, welcome back everybody. We do have something else we can get to something that I'm very excited about. But this is Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from the studios of WMNH ninety five point three FM and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire.

5:07 Speaker 5: And of course you can stream the show from anywhere. Go to Matt connorton dot com, slash live, or you can go to our new website, Matt Connorton Unleashed dot com. And what I'm going to do right now and I mentioned this at the top of the show, So next week on the show live in studio, we're going to have Grimrock all the way from the great state of Pennsylvania. And Grimrock sent us And for those of you who are watching the video of the show, Grimrock sent us a package and it is looks like we got a couple of T shirts here.

5:37 Speaker 5: So Jenny and I are excited to wear these next week because not only will Grimrock be here with us live in studio, but then we are going to see Grimrock that evening. He's going to be playing at The Spot in Nashua. If you haven't checked out the Spot, very very cool place. Our friend Mike McDowell, who has been on the show. He is the owner and proprietor of the spot, so you can check that out. But here is the shirt. And again if there's no way for me to zoom in with the camera here, but oh that's a cool shirt.

6:03 Speaker 5: Love the logo. I've always really loved his logo. So he sent us two of these, one for me and one for Jenny to wear next weekend.

6:09 Speaker 6: So there you go.

6:10 Speaker 5: So thank you to Grimrock. And we love getting stuff. He's sent us all kinds of stuff, not just these shirts. He's sent us several care packages over the years. Because he's not in the area. Again, he's in Pennsylvania. But we're finally going to get to meet him next week and I am very excited about that. And I was thinking, hmm, yeah, I think we should play a grim Rock song. Actually, we should do that since we have some time. Let's see, I think we should play Oh you know what I think? Was the first grim Rock song we ever played on the show was called don't You.

6:47 Speaker 6: Let's give this a spin, don't you?

6:49 Speaker 5: This is grim rock. This is some garage rock. He's got a really kind of low fie garage rock vibe. Love love Grimrock. And his image too. He's got the whole. If you look him up online, what you see visually, it's surprising when you contrasted with what he sounds like. It's really cool. I love the whole presentation. Cannot wait to see him live anyway. Here it is, this is don't You? And this is grim Rock.

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10:03 Speaker 5: That is don't You by Grimrock, who will be here with us in studio next week.

10:08 Speaker 6: Cannot wait.

10:09 Speaker 5: By the way, I miss something too in the package. So there's also a sticker Grimrock Scentius the sticker. Jenny loves stickers, so she'll be very happy about that. But Grimrock will be here with us next week in studio, and then he's gonna be playing a show because he is on tour. He'll be playing a show that night at the Spot in Nashua, which is a great venue. So really looking forward to that. Can't wait to meet him. And this is Matt Connorton Unleashed. Of course, we are live from the studios of wm NH ninety five point three FM and glorious Manchester, New Hampshire.

10:38 Speaker 5: Of course, you can stream the show from anywhere. Go to Matt connorton dot com, slash live for all of your live streaming options, social media links, contact info, show archives, et cetera, et cetera, and for even more content, you can visit our brand new website, Matt Connorton unleashed dot com and the show archives there links to additional we're gonna be putting some articles on there. We have one article up so far on Matt Connorton Unleashed that goes with a show that we did a couple of weeks ago talking about Buster Rhymes and his you know he was.

11:07 Speaker 5: He's just settled a lawsuit with his former assistant who accused him of repeatedly punching him in the face. So apparently working for Buster Rhymes is very dangerous. I already did all the jokes anyway. The point is we do have an article up about that that you can read on the site Matt Connorton unleashed dot com, and we're gonna start doing that more. So look for more articles, look for a lot of great content in addition to of course, the full archive of the show going all the way back to twenty eleven.

11:34 Speaker 5: You can find anything you're looking for. You can search by guests, you can find it.

11:38 Speaker 6: It is there.

11:39 Speaker 5: Matt connorton Unleashed dot Com our brand new site, and we're making more and more. Actually just changed something on it just yesterday in fact, because it was making it more. You know, it's important to have a site if you want to look professional, to have a site that's nice and full width. You know, the days of those skinny little you know, you load the website and it takes up like just that one strip in the center of your monitor. Those days are gone. So you need a website that's full with and so I had to make some changes to you know, accommodate that, but still not mess up the graphics that are there and everything.

12:15 Speaker 5: So sorry, I'm nerding out on web design. I don't mean too, It's one of the things I do. But coming up in just a few minutes at ten thirty am for those of you listening live ten thirty am in the Eastern time zone, will be joined by John Poussett Dart, who's got a show coming up right here in Manchester. He's going to be playing next month. Returning to the Rex Theater and cannot wait to talk with him. We've had him on the show before, amazing guest. We had a wonderful conversation. Really looking forward to that.

12:42 Speaker 5: And then of course we've got oh who do we have in the third hour. It's a busy show. Frequency Overload. Great band from New York City, some real New Yorkers if I'm not mistaken, if you know, you know, I found myself saying that a lot lately, if you know, you know. Anyway, before we go on, and we do have some world premierees too that we featured at the top of the show that we're gonna do again in a moment. But I saw some interesting news, you know, we do when we find ourselves with a little bit of extra time, we do like to share some music industry news on the show, and of course one of my favorite websites to go for that is Music Business Worldwide dot com.

13:20 Speaker 5: Now I think it was it becomes a blur. I think it was either last week or the week before. We talked about how Spotify is doing this thing now where they're giving verified badges to artists. So and the reason they're doing this is when they give you a badge if you're on Spotify. If you're an artist and your music is on Spotify and they give you a badge that says verified, that means that those songs are verified to be legitimately put there by that artist. So, in other words, if you if you, because this happens, this kind of thing happens.

13:56 Speaker 5: People do all kinds of stuff to try to scam the listening public and the purveyors of these websites. If you say you put up a song, you put a song on Spotify, and it's either it's not legitimate, maybe you're trying to pass yourself off as somebody else. Maybe you're trying to pass yourself off as Taylor Swift. Maybe you create an account where you claim to be Taylor Swift, but you spell Taylor differently. Maybe you spell it tay l er right and that's your Spotify account instead of how she spells it, and then you put up songs that sound like her.

14:29 Speaker 6: You know you are not well.

14:30 Speaker 5: First of all, once Spotify, once the bots figure out that you've done that, they're going to delete that account. But in the meantime, too, you're not going to be able to get verified. Or if you're just making AI generated music and throwing it up there. They call it AI slop. That is the industry term. Again, they're going to they might just delete your account and ban you, but they're certainly not going to give you a verified badge. Verified badge means that you're legitimate, your music is legitimate, and that you are a verified artist.

14:58 Speaker 5: It's similar to what they do you on you know, they do that on social media platforms. You can get verified quote unquote, usually have to pay for it. It tends to cost money to become a so called verified content creator person who posts on social media whatever it is, right, there's usually a few dollars involved now. And part of why I find this so interesting is because it affects me potentially is they are now offering not only verified artists or badges is the corrector I'm not only verified badges for artists but also for podcasts, and that is important.

15:34 Speaker 5: That affects me because look, I'm an og podcaster. This show, Matt connorton Unleashed, we've been at wmn H for it was nine years in April, but even before that, this show existed originally in podcast form. It started as a podcast and then eventually we had the opportunity to bring it to WM and H. But I've been podcasting since the early two thousands. That's what I mean when I say I'm an OG podcaster. Unfortunately, I didn't know a strike that that nerve where I went on to, you know, because Joe Rogan is an OG podcaster and he's rich and famous and I'm not.

16:08 Speaker 5: I guess this is what I'm trying to say. So, but I have been around doing this for a long time. So this show, like like the other shows here at WM and H, just like the Morning Show with Peter White for example, and others,

16:24 Speaker 5: they go up, you know, once they're done going out live, you know, we record them and then they go on on the website and they go they go online. They become podcasts. Everything becomes a podcast once it's available online to download, stream listen at your convenience. And one of the places that we put this show is Spotify and various other you know, you can get Matt Connerton Unleashed anywhere where you where you find your favorite podcasts. You can subscribe, and you can find it on YouTube, like and subscribe if you do all of that.

16:54 Speaker 5: Plus I have other podcasts and I'm involved in like Tough Bumps for example, or the Mister Iguana Show is somebody likes to refer to it, so you can you can find all that on Spotify, and anyone can submit their podcast to Spotify. But what if someone submits a podcast pretending to be someone else? What if it's counterfeit? What if what if somebody else decides to impersonate me? You know, what if someone decides to do something called, you know, Matt Connerton unbridled or something, or you know, you know,

17:30 Speaker 5: Matt Connerton unrestrained, and then they and then they do an impression of me, and they try to pass it off as me, and they upload the podcast to Spotify. Well hopefully if I notice it, obviously I'm going to report that to Spotify and hopefully they get banned. But in the meantime, until I notice it, I'll tell you one thing, They're not going to be able to get a verified badge because it is not a legitimate podcast. So this is again, this is from Music Business Worldwide dot com. Let's look at this quickly.

17:57 Speaker 5: Spotify extends verified badges to podcasts, further cracking down on AI impersonations. So it says here, Spotify is expanding it's Verified by Spotify Badge program to podcasts. The move, announced on Tuesday, extends to podcast shows the same verification system that Spotify launched for music artists profiles in April. It comes amid growing industry concern over the flood of AI generated podcast content on streaming platforms, with data from Podcasts Index suggesting that AI generated shows now account for more than a third of new podcast feeds.

18:38 Speaker 5: Let's linger on that for just a moment, or let's linger longer for you Opie and Anthony fans. If you know the reference. Think about how many podcasts there are. There's a lot of podcasts. Everybody has a podcast. I mean, you know, if you're expecting a baby, you're probably as you're making these decisions, you're probably thinking about, you know, where you're going to send them to school. You know what their name is going to be, obviously, you know, and what you think the subject and name of their podcasts should be when they do one.

19:13 Speaker 6: Because everybody has a podcast.

19:15 Speaker 5: Now, there was a I saw a homeless gentleman earlier with a sign and it actually had a URL on his sign for his podcast. So everyone has a podcast. But think so when you think about just I mean who God only knows how many podcasts there are and how many new podcasts there are that are going up every single day right. According to Podcast Index, AI generated shows now account for more than a third more than a third of new podcast feeds. That's a lot that is shocking, okay, it says here. The badge the verified badge a the green check mark accompanied by the words verified by Spotify, will appear on podcast show pages and in search results.

20:06 Speaker 5: It identifies a show as the official presence of a creator, publisher, or brand, according to Spotify. Spotify said in a blog post that the badge quote signals the show has been reviewed against Spotify's standards for authenticity and trust, helping listeners understand who they're hearing while giving creators a clear, credible way to establish their identity on our platform. The concept of authenticity and podcasting is complex and quickly evolving, and will continue to develop our approach over time.

20:35 Speaker 6: Quote.

20:35 Speaker 5: Spotify said, verification eligibility will focus on shows the platform can quote confidently authenticate unquote based on a combination of sustained listener activity, good standing with the platform policies, and verified audience authenticity, including safeguards against bot driven listenership.

20:54 Speaker 6: So, in other words, you know, because you can put.

20:56 Speaker 5: A podcast, whether it be Spotify, this happens on YouTube constantly. You know, you can have you can buy views, you can buy listens, and their bots that go and listen to your podcast, and then that, you know, artificially inflates your numbers. Uh so they're they're looking for that too when they're deciding whether or not to verify you. Spotify said, oh, actually, never mind, let's go down. Let's skip down a little bit. Select shows will begin displaying the badge immediately, with a wider rollout expected over the coming months across Spotify's library of more than seven million podcast titles.

21:35 Speaker 5: Again, just think about that, linger on that for a moment.

21:40 Speaker 8: Seven million.

21:41 Speaker 6: That means there are currently more.

21:44 Speaker 5: Than seven million different podcasts on Spotify.

21:50 Speaker 6: I'm telling you everybody has.

21:52 Speaker 5: If you are listening to the show right now and you don't have a podcast, you will someday, I'm quite sure of it. Alongside the verification badges, Spotify also use the announcement to reaffirm its stance on AI generated impersonation in podcasting.

22:08 Speaker 6: Spotify said quote.

22:10 Speaker 5: Our policies have always prohibited unauthorized impersonation. Today we're reaffirming this policy and the context of AI. Spotify will remove podcast shows and content that impersonate another creator or hosts likeness without permission, whether that's using AI, voice, cloning, or any other method unquote. Spotify described the update says, quote the first in a series of steps we're taking to support a more trustworthy podcast ecosystem for creators, partners, and listeners. As creation becomes more accessible, the need for clarity and trust becomes even more important unquote.

22:44 Speaker 5: The podcast verification pushes the latest in a series of measures Spotify is rolled out in twenty twenty six aimed at reinforcing creator identity and combating AI generated content across its platform. In March, Spotify launched its Artist Profile protection feature, in which lets music artists review and approve releases before they appear on their profiles. In April, Spotify began showing AI credits and song credits, allowing listeners to see where artificial intelligence was used in making a track, though the feature depends on voluntary artists disclosure and by the way, a note about that that's understandable because that can get complicated because look, there's so much AI already used in music.

23:27 Speaker 5: You know, even if you go to a recording studio, you know there are programs being used on those computers and recording studios that use AI in some way.

23:37 Speaker 6: So there's more to this. There's more to this article.

23:39 Speaker 5: We're not gonna have time to get through the whole thing, but you can find this again at Music Business Worldwide dot com, one of my favorite sites for music industry news, and the article is titled Spotify extends verified Badges to podcasts, so you can check that out there. What we're gonna do right now is we're going to do our world radio premieres for the week again. We've got two great new tracks and you will have heard them here. First the new single from Replaced by Robots, which is also called Replaced by Robots, and we've got the new single from White Ash called Blue Skies.

24:09 Speaker 5: You're gonna hear both of those, and then we're gonna hear some John Poussett Dart because on the other side of all of that, John Poussett Dart, who has a show coming up right here in Manchester, New Hampshire. He's gonna be on with us via WhatsApp and we're gonna talk about it. Can't wait to talk with him. He's been on the show before and he's a legend. He's a very very interesting guy with a long career. So he's coming up in just a few minutes, but so stick around, plenty more to come. You're listening to Matt connorson Unleashed on WUMNH ninety five point three right now, the world radio premiere brand new from replaced by Robots.

24:47 Speaker 5: This is replaced by robots theme from zero Joy Zero.

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25:12 Speaker 9: They're emissions, they're the flat emotions are something the Dona.

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25:28 Speaker 9: From Electric Eyes Have Aware Search, Say invent Beware.

25:52 Speaker 3: Replaced replaced by fin too much of their thins.

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26:45 Speaker 10: To get the satisfied, my Lord, all the long and longly lonely.

26:56 Speaker 1: Lodly night.

27:29 Speaker 5: And now another world radio premiere. You heard it here first on WMNH ninety five point three FM and Matt connorton Unleashed. It is the second single from White Ash, coming out May twenty seven.

27:43 Speaker 6: This is called Blue Skies.

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28:00 Speaker 11: It's night one running out the Feu to worlds.

28:06 Speaker 4: Let it be a fount you.

28:08 Speaker 12: Over the food shovel when your back is a cancer,

28:14 Speaker 12: blue child, where batches back you need.

28:19 Speaker 11: In fat blueskin got you what you find? No head,

28:32 Speaker 11: never find your mother chasing yet Dad already God, but you gotta get there. Let me see he is immediately a lot of candles that pass that scene into the hand.

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33:08 Speaker 1: And I'll let you see the broken me, the one who lets his ghosts run free.

33:16 Speaker 15: And we will be two sailors on the same boat on the journey, and we'll prevail against.

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34:05 Speaker 1: I know I'm not perfect.

34:08 Speaker 13: I've got a long way to go, and when it comes to make changes, I can.

34:17 Speaker 2: Move on the store.

34:21 Speaker 1: Own your runs.

34:25 Speaker 17: I can see some higher ground. I just want to start climbing before the sun goes down.

34:39 Speaker 1: I know I waste too much precious time looking back at the past.

34:48 Speaker 15: It a time in at of morrow to give me what's going last. I want to do what I can do with what I've got. Tune a fine mileway and try to get better, a little bitter every day. Yeah, try to get better.

35:18 Speaker 1: A little bitter every.

35:23 Speaker 5: Better every day. That sounds good to me. And we've got John Poose at Dart with us via phone.

35:28 Speaker 4: Hello John, Hey Matt, how you doing good?

35:31 Speaker 5: Good, welcome back to the show, and thank you for being flexible. We were going to do this via WhatsApp, but I'm having all kinds of WhatsApp issues today, so we're doing it old.

35:38 Speaker 6: School on the phone.

35:39 Speaker 5: But you are going to be returning to Manchester, New Hampshire very shortly, let's see June fifth at the Rex Theater. So it's wonderful to gives us an excuse to talk because I looked it up. The last time you were on the show with us, it was all the way back in September of twenty four, so it's wonderful to speak with you again.

35:58 Speaker 6: It's been a while.

36:00 Speaker 4: Yeah, well it's good. Thank you for having me. It's just good and we're looking forward to coming back to the Rex, which is a really nice room.

36:05 Speaker 1: It is.

36:06 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's a very nice place.

36:07 Speaker 5: If anyone hasn't been there, I suggest that they check it out and this will be a perfect opportunity to do so on on June fifth at seven thirty pm. And it is, of course it is the John Poussett Dart Duo. Now is it the same duo? Are you performing with the same gentleman that you've been performing with for the last I don't know how many years now, right.

36:27 Speaker 4: Jim, it's been it's been quite a while. Yeah, Jim and I have been playing together for oh god, we've been playing it over twenty twenty five years now. It seems like, you know, we we he played in the band when we were the last you know, the band we had, which was quartet, and we've really kind of stripped down to a duo just because people really seem to respond to that setting, because it's just really intimate and organic and the song's really come through. So it's really enjoyable to kind of work, you know, in the in the duo setting, and we did.

36:55 Speaker 4: It's a really nice kind of intimate exchange, you know.

36:59 Speaker 6: Jim Chaplane. Am I saying his name correctly?

37:01 Speaker 4: Yeah, Jim Chapline. Yeah, we've been working together for many years now.

37:04 Speaker 6: Okay, okay, now do you uh? Do you do the entire set? Uh with the two of you?

37:09 Speaker 7: Are?

37:09 Speaker 6: Are there? Is there anything that you do just by yourself? Or is it are all the songs we do?

37:14 Speaker 9: All?

37:14 Speaker 4: We do the whole set together, you know, and we we ranged this.

37:17 Speaker 1: What we do.

37:18 Speaker 4: Is I really kind of go through extensively all all the all the albums, the Capitol records. We kind of cover all the most known tracks that people no probably know the best, and and then also go through subsequent solo records and many individual singles that have been released since. So it covers a wide swat and a few kind of obscure covers. So, oh, really covers a wide swath of material. And h and Jim and I have been playing for so long together that there's just it's a really nice chemistry and we kind of have a good idea of what each other are is going to do, you know, very well.

37:51 Speaker 4: We're pretty pretty well attuned to each other where he's like a musical brother to me. So it's it's it's a it's a nice fit.

37:56 Speaker 6: Oh, that's excellent.

37:57 Speaker 5: When you find somebody to play with who you have that with, you know, it almost because like you know, almost becomes like telepathy, right, like intuitive.

38:05 Speaker 16: It is.

38:05 Speaker 4: And also we share we've known a lot of work with a lot of the same people. You know, he worked with Al Anderson from n RBQ is like one of the great guitar players American guitar players. And we toured for years within RBQ, and he knows worked with a lot of friends in Nashville that I've worked with through the years, and we did all of our original records there, and I was back in Nashville for many years living down there and writing and working, so we have a lot of mutual friends there as well.

38:31 Speaker 5: Now, it seems like you've been continuing to release new singles right and video content, which is wonderful. Do you Is that kind of how you see yourself continuing and definitely into the future, because obviously, you know, there are some artists who still insist on putting out full albums and even releasing vinyl, But but you seem to have settled into a nice groove doing it the way that you've been doing it, and the songs are great. You know, I love that song better every day. We'll play the entire song at the end of our conversation today, and we did play right before I called you, we played can We Just Talk, which is also a wonderful song.

39:05 Speaker 5: But obviously the way the way that you release music has changed certainly from when you started.

39:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, well, you know what I've been following kind of pretty much. What's what's been going on? As the mediums have changed. You know, when we when I first started out, you know, we were it was I was in Wisconsin album radio or its full albums that we were releasing, and that was what would get reviewed, not even singles, but full albums. Yeah, and that was what radio was was was centered around. And as time has evolved, when's gone from the vinyl to the you know, to CD to cassette, and it's moved through all its mediums and through the way music is received through the portals.

39:39 Speaker 4: Now with streaming, it's the attention spans have kind of shrunk down to you know, five or ten seconds or less, you know, to get an attention span of people have tuned into things. So it's become it's become, you know, because of streaming, I've found and I'm I put the last record I put out, and you know a couple of records you just mentioned talk The last record I put out, I put a huge amount of effort into and I got together with Bill Warndick and put together the cream of the crop of the muscle shows and Memphis Rhythm Section for that down in Nashville at Ronnie Millsap's place.

40:13 Speaker 4: We worked really hard on that record, and I thought it was the best record I ever made, and it was almost invisible in terms of the delivery system the way things are now, because it just kind of went by and people didn't even know it was there. And what you know, you put a lot of work into an album and people catch maybe one cutter maybe too and they never get never really received the whole record. So I really addressed kind of the way things are kind of coming down through the portals of people are really listening to things, and so I've been focusing, like going back to the days of singles and putting out singles with videos regularly, so I don't wait, I don't I put them out so there's a constant stream of things coming rather than like waiting for a long time, putting out a release, seeing a few cuts get through, and then going back and putting a whole lot more work into another album.

41:00 Speaker 4: Right, So it's just a different way of kind of addressing it. It's I've just kind of been following what seems to be happening, and you know, these days there's not even CD players in cars, right, It's come down to streaming, and people are really hearing things via streaming. So that's it seems that that's kind of what is the meaning at the moment.

41:19 Speaker 5: Absolutely, there's also you know, for an artist who has the material that you have, you know, spanning multiple decades, there's that that thing of I've heard Paul Stanley of Kiss has described it this way. When you've been around a long time, at a certain point, you're sort of competing against what you've already done because people who've been fans, who've been with you for a long time, they have certain memories attached and therefore emotional connections to your earlier music. So then you're sort of you're sort of competing against that.

41:49 Speaker 5: But obviously for you, it's really important to continue to create and evolve and put out new music. I mean, I assuming, I mean, it sounds like it's very important to you to do that.

41:59 Speaker 4: Well, I think it's just you know, I think as I think all musicians and all artists you know, in general, I think, are really involved in what they're currently doing and and you know, and are kind of moving ahead constantly, So you're you're kind of pretty much always ahead of wherever you know, whatever's out there is there, so you're kind of like moving ahead of you know, you're you're you're trying to keep you know, a pace of going what you're creatively up to. So so you know, I I just I feel like, you know, you I guess you could, you know, just sit back and just you know, stay with the things you're doing, but you know, the the things you've done before.

42:31 Speaker 4: But I find, you know, I find most most people want to keep pushing ahead creatively and keep where you know, looking forward and moving forward. And so that's that's pretty much where I am. And you know, music has always been it's really been my first love. You know, It's been something I was connected to ever since I was a child, and so it's something that I, you know, if I constantly feel a need to to to try and find things the things that are you know, to express about what's happening. And I'm always trying to kind of trying to find the silver lining and whatever's going on.

43:02 Speaker 4: So that's that's a constant right now.

43:05 Speaker 5: With the studio work that you do. Does Jim also play on those tracks or is that strictly Yeah.

43:11 Speaker 4: It's she. It's quite a mixture. In other words, we've done we've done a few. The record you just played we did there's on that there's a mixture of cuts that there's things we did together on that record and the record the song you Just Played Better every Day, that was done with I wrote that with Gary Nicholson, who's an amazing writer in Nashville and he's from Texas. And on that track, I had Reese Winding from from Stevie Ray's Van Double Troubles on keyboards and there was that was a really nice section of guys and Pete pat mcgoffin on guitar.

43:42 Speaker 4: So there's a here's a mixture of things, you know, it moves around sometimes. Some of the cuts came from things that I songs that I co wrote Nashville and recorded Nasville and other things we did up here at Jim's play. So it's a that that record, any Gravity, was a mixture of things. Talk the most recent record that you played of Can We Just Talk? Was done at Ronnie Mosap's place. Well, Bill Warndeck, who since passes what it was a brilliant engineer, producer, and we did that with just I just had like my dream a dream team on that, Reggie Young, who is my favorite guitar player, Bernona who since passed and I got Dan Dug Moore and Glenn Wharf and David Hungate and Glenn Morrow, and I mean it was like the dream section of players.

44:27 Speaker 4: And I had to do duets with Becca Bramlett Bonding Delaney's daughter, and Ronda Vincent and Joe l Mauser. So I had a really great you know, that was a really great record for me. I mean a record I really enjoyed making. And then since then, like I said, like you mentioned, I started moving over to singles and doing Right now, there's another I've just finished another song which we're doing actually a full, full, really film video with an Argentine director that will work on now on a song. I just finished that.

45:03 Speaker 4: So there's another film coming forth on a song I just completed. It was really written for this film that I had in mind.

45:10 Speaker 6: Oh wow, Oh that's amazing. That's exciting. That's very cool, very cool.

45:15 Speaker 4: Yeah.

45:15 Speaker 6: Can I can I ask you two about this?

45:17 Speaker 3: So the song.

45:19 Speaker 6: Put Your Gun Down, that was originally called Ready to Fly? Is that correct?

45:24 Speaker 4: No, that it's just the record.

45:27 Speaker 16: No, it was.

45:27 Speaker 4: There was a release put Down Your Gun. It was always titled put Down Your Gun. It got re released because I wrote it was and it was I was released on a on a compilation for the Anti Handgun Coalition.

45:39 Speaker 6: Way back, okay, and then uh and and and then it was re.

45:43 Speaker 4: Released on I was put Down Your Gun on the on the album, which was the last record that the original band re recorded in and actually record that Marvel Heead, Massachusetts and with the original band, and that track was uh uh put on your Gun was was was originally written to support the anti handgun Coalition And Okay, I was going to do another version of it, but boy, there's a real division in the country about that issue. There's there's there's things you have to take into consideration these days of what's going on in the country.

46:18 Speaker 6: Okay.

46:19 Speaker 5: Yeah, No, I was curious because I that was something that I didn't I didn't realize when we had talked the first time and I happen to see that, I was like, oh, that's very interesting because I didn't know about that. And you do always get into I mean, it is it is divisive, and you know a lot of people think that and this is not my personal view, but a lot of people think that you shouldn't, you know, if you're a musician or if you're some sort of entertainer. Some people don't want you to take a stance on anything.

46:45 Speaker 5: It's like they think it's disappointing or it's frustrating to them. But I always say, well, regardless of who you are, whether you're a public person or a private person, whether you're famous or not famous, you have a right to your opinions, and you have a right to express them. And you know, even if I don't, even if I don't agree with somebody, I you know, I encourage, uh. I mean, I'm always open to hearing. In fact, if anything, I'm always kind of curious what people think. That's part of what I do.

47:09 Speaker 4: I support that one hundred percent.

47:11 Speaker 2: You know.

47:11 Speaker 4: I really believe all artists should do whatever they feel the importance to do. And I think speaking up politically is actually the the the uh, something that all artists should be, should be folks should you know, do within it, within their own constitute what they feel and express it exactly as they see fits, right, And I think it's really important for artists to do that, and I think that's what art is about. And I think that people don't want that to be mixed into music are just kind of obscuring a very important missing the point, or just wanting pure entertainment for your pure entertainment value, which to me is worth nothing.

47:42 Speaker 4: You know, you have to have part and soul and and and be saying the things that are important to you as an artist through every medium that you're dealing, whether it's music, film, or books or anything anything with intellectual copyright. So yes, I can I completely concur that, you know, I mean, protest songs, anything that's all important, all important parts of of of of you know, of being expressing the integral things that need to be spoken about. And you know, some music is entertaining and some music has has has points to be made.

48:13 Speaker 4: They're all it's all part of an important message and it's all part of music and.

48:18 Speaker 5: Art right absolutely, And you as a listener you're free to accept or reject whatever whatever you want, you know, in terms of the message. And you know, and and art is subjective anyway, so it doesn't it doesn't necessarily even have to mean to you as a listener what it meant to the artist. But but yeah, it's funny too when people get when people get up tied about it too. It's like, well, you know, like rock and roll is supposed to be rebellious, and yet some people think that rock and roll should be about falling in line, and uh, you know, it's it's strange.

48:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, I agreeably. I mean, you know, we're going through a very difficult time where we're you know, I mean, there's there's so many issues that are problematic right now with going on trying to decide what people should or shouldn't get or you know, trying to send through what what is what is funny or not funny, or what's what you know, what is appropriate or not appropriate? And it's it's it's you know, it's it's a very you know, we're we're we're in a kind of in a dark place at the moment with that.

49:10 Speaker 4: And I think that, you know, the kind of people need to really stand up for what they believe in and and and freedom of speech and the and the great thing about this country is people can say what they want to say, and they have the freedom to say it and there's nothing should be countering that. And so I'm a firm believer that all people have the right to to to to express themselves how they see fit and live their lives how they see.

49:31 Speaker 5: Fit And by the way, I'm curious about this current tour, So are you are you going all over the US on this track or where do you go after you hit Manchester in June?

49:42 Speaker 6: Where do you go next?

49:44 Speaker 4: We've been mostly leaning on the Northeast because largely just because there's you know, there's a steady, steady following here. And I used to tour the whole country extensively, but in the times it's it's become in order to keep up, like a whole route to the country, you really have to keep up in cessan touring, and I slowed down a bit, and so some of the some of the there's areas where I can go. But when you go out and you're trying to do isolated dates, let's say in the Southwest or the northwest, or you know, when you get out there and you and you get on a plane, you're taking your guitars out, and you're and you're traveling long distances, it's really hard to make the whole picture the ends meet.

50:19 Speaker 4: Economically, it becomes almost an economic equation to try and make all of it at work. So the Northeast has become a really kind of practical place for me to be touring right now the most for the most part, and we do, I do jump out to other areas sporadically, but most of these most of these things are scattered through uh that we're turning now, or through uh Connecticut and New Hampshire, Massachusetts, New York, Vermont, Maine, you know, and and in this in this part of the country, and there's you know, we I get offers that committed from various places, and I would like to be doing some things and places that I used to do a lot of work in Colorado and California and parts of the south uh, in the Southwest, but it becomes harder and harder to do that.

51:03 Speaker 4: And I can't tell you how difficult.

51:05 Speaker 15: It is these days.

51:07 Speaker 4: I play, I travel two guitars, and Jim travels with two guitars. And when you try and get your gear to an airbit and get your guitarist on planes these days and get everything near in one piece with your equipment, it's no easy task. You know. It's like it requires a little bit.

51:26 Speaker 5: Of work, right, absolutely, absolutely. Yeah, you know, gas is pretty expensive too, and that's another that's another issue. And yeah, touring has become a lot of a lot of artists have complained to touring over the past few years, even before you know this current spike and gas prices of course, that it's become really cost prohibitive.

51:45 Speaker 6: It's very, very difficult now.

51:48 Speaker 4: Yeah, and also, you know the kind of the catch twenty two of that is it, you know, a lot of artists coming up, younger artists think, you know that kind of by uh, kind of planting their their persona on the Internet and trying to establish themselves through that that medium, that that alone is going to kind of give them, you know, put them on the map. And it's just it's it's just not so you know, and other and in order to really you know, earn a a a following that has a roots, you know, you really kind of have to go out and hit the road in earnest and very you know, like for and for protracted periods of time to really gain a market share.

52:34 Speaker 4: And that's kind of what it's you know, I think that's never that's never ever stopped being true. And I think that's the you know, the the real you know, the real barometer of really kind of getting through is by really being committed to the road. And it's a harder and harder thing to do.

52:48 Speaker 5: Like you mentioned, you know, it absolutely is absolutely well again, I just want to remind people and if you're just joining us, of course we have John Posse at Dart with us because the John Posse at Dart Duo is going to be at the Rex Theater on June fifth at seven point thirty, and there's no opener for this, correct John, it's just you guys.

53:08 Speaker 4: I don't think so if I remember correctly, last time we did not have an opener, so I think it'll just be asked. I think that's correct.

53:16 Speaker 6: How long do you play for? Is it a couple of hours or yeah?

53:20 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, like you know, usually we do ninety or you know, or you know, or longer so you know, like or an hour YouTube, couple hours, you know. It really it moves, it bends and flows, you know. It depends on what people you know, It really depends on the room and what's going on. But yeah, something you know. So usually we do one long set that goes on for goes on for a bit of time.

53:40 Speaker 5: Yeah, oh that's great. That can be an advantage with not having an opener too. It kind of it tends to give you more time and flexibility with that. So that oh that's really good.

53:49 Speaker 6: So yeah, I.

53:49 Speaker 5: Encourage people they can go too. Well, actually if you go to the Rex. Oh sorry, go ahead, John, No, the Rex.

53:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, the Rex, which is a really nice room. It's the people run it or it's really good crew.

54:00 Speaker 6: Yeah. Absolutely.

54:02 Speaker 5: And of course all your tour dates are up at whoset dash dart dot com, so I encourage people to check that out too, because obviously yeah, June fit well, actually that's not that far away, a couple of weeks, but no.

54:14 Speaker 4: That's coming. We're playing tonight at Arlow Gutrie's place, the gut Center and Great Barrington, Mass.

54:19 Speaker 6: Oh no kidding, we're.

54:20 Speaker 4: Jumping, we're jumping all over the place.

54:22 Speaker 9: Yeah.

54:22 Speaker 4: We used to do a lot of work with Arlow and I love Arlow. Oh wow, we'll be there tonight. But he has a wonderful church called the Gutry Center. Okay, we're playing there tonight.

54:32 Speaker 6: Oh, very cool.

54:33 Speaker 5: I'm glad you mentioned that. Excellent, excellent, So that's tonight in Great Barrington.

54:37 Speaker 6: Is that what it's called?

54:38 Speaker 4: Great Barrington, Mass. Yeah, we're doing that tonight.

54:40 Speaker 5: Yet, very good, very good, excellent, Well John, uh, I appreciate you being here with us again. Uh, we'll have to make sure we don't like quite so much time go by before we talk to you next, because you're always creating and releasing new music. So even if you don't have a show in the area, you know, whenever you have a new single or anything, that's a great excuse to have on because we always really enjoy talking with you. But I'm glad you able to be here with us today and again I will remind people June fifth at the Rex Theater at seven point thirty the John Whosett Dart Duo, And at the conclusion of our conversation, I am going to play I'll play it all the way through this time better every day.

55:14 Speaker 6: But I really love this song.

55:16 Speaker 5: Can you before we do that, before we let you go, can you tell me anything about the inspiration for the song, because I really like this a lot.

55:24 Speaker 4: You know. I'm glad you like that because I do too, you know I was I wrote that with Gary Nicholson and Gary Nicholson people need to like, really explore more of him. He's he's just a treasure and he's from Texas and he's written so many great hits for Bonnie Raid, Vince Gil, Patty Loveless, VD, King, Doctor John. I mean, he's had just this. He's just an amazing laundry list of absolutely incredible songs he's written. And he's just a wonderful musician. And I loved writing with Gary, and and after we wrote the song with him, he agreed that we produce it at his place, and so I did it his studio in Nashville.

56:05 Speaker 4: And as I mentioned, Rhys Winans, who is from Stevie Raisman Double Trouble is just an amazing keyboard player. And Tom Hambridge who has been doing Buddy Guy. He produced all the Buddy Guy's stuff now and is on drums. And Pat McLoughlin is an amazing guitar player. And Joe alm Mosser, who's just astoundingly great singer from that she's one of my favorite singers. So it was like a really great section and Gary was part of that. And so you know, I urge anybody to look up Gary Nicholson, because boy, he's got he's just got a just so much good music.

56:43 Speaker 4: He's he's been behind for from years and years and years and years, so he's he's a real treasure.

56:48 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, yeah, I mean it shows them the results. This is just a wonderful song, so we will We'll let you go, my friend, John Possette Dart again June fifth at the Rex Theater the John Poussette Our Duo. Hopefully we'll talk to you again soon and h and again thank you for joining us today. This has been wonderful as always.

57:07 Speaker 4: Man, it's always great to talk to and thank you for having me. I really appreciate it.

57:10 Speaker 6: You got it anytime, all right, Thanks John, take.

57:12 Speaker 4: Care okay, have a good weekend YouTube bye bye.

57:16 Speaker 5: All right. That is the great John Poosett Dart and uh here it is. This is called better every Day.

57:31 Speaker 1: I know I'm not perfect.

57:35 Speaker 13: I've got a long way to go, and when it comes to make changes, I can move.

57:48 Speaker 3: Well.

57:52 Speaker 17: I can see some higher ground. I just want to start claming before the sun goes down.

58:06 Speaker 1: I know I waste too much precious time looking back at the pass. It a time in all of my role to give me what's gonna last. I wanna do what I can do.

58:26 Speaker 15: With what I've got til I find my own way

58:33 Speaker 15: and try to get better.

58:36 Speaker 1: A little better every day and try to get better a little better everyday,