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sat st. This is Matt Connorton unleashed and we are alive from the studios of wm NH ninety five point three FM in glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. And of course we have entered our third hour New Marrow trace on this Saturday May fourth, twenty twenty four. Jenny is with us as well, and we just heard shake it Up by the great Ray Coats, who is with us via Skype all the way from the UK. Ray Are you there, I am hey, Hello, Really excited to talk to you today, of course, Uh, we've got you're here to talk about the soundtrack to Fall Guy.

The soundtrack of John Chatham's life. And by the way, John very kindly sent me a book, sent me the book. I've not had a chance to read it yet, but i will as soon as I have time, because I'm very anxious to. But congratulations on this sound track. Thank you, Thank you, Matt. When you pick it up, when you pick up Full Guy, you won't be able to put it down. It's gripping. It's gripping reading. Yeah, I got that impression from the last time we had you on. You were talking about John's story and you know not.

I mean, it's a miracle, just based on what you told us, that he's even been able to survive what he's been through. It's really remarkable completely And I think another miracle is how John is taking that experience and channeling it into more for yes himself, but also for others. And his is one of those great untold stories. And the more I find out about John, the more I spend time with him. They tried to silence him in the country that he was shot in. He had to was forced to sign almost like a secrecy pat swearing that he wouldn't divulge any of what happened, and nothing happened, and then when he came back to the UK was met with ultimately apathy because there was a lot of fuss over the fact he was shot by the Bulgarian mafia and all of the things that ensued afterwards.

But then things went very quiet. So there was an initial buzz around his experience and then things went very very quiet. So we are we're making in roads into an incredible life, and John represents all of us in a way because at some stage in life we all experienced I think where perhaps people don't know the fullness of the experience that we've had, and that's one of the fundamental reasons why John is sharing his life through the book, through the music, and ultimately through a book to film as well.

Yeah, I mean it's certainly relatable in the sense that people can you know, everybody experiences things that they maybe didn't expect or or you know, challenges. But I will say, and I think I had said this too the last time you were with us, that probably very few people have experienced being shot by the Bulgarian mafia. So most of us, hopefully we'll get through this life, not haven't experienced that, does John? I mean not that. I'm sure you don't want to speak for him necessarily, but does he is there any worry on his part about about putting putting all of this out there the way that he has through the book and now the soundtrack and everything.

I mean is that, I mean, I assume, after what he's been through, there's got to be some element of him looking over his shoulder sort of, perhaps literally, if not, if not metaphorically. But I mean, does he worry about this day to day? I think in conversations with John, because I can not speak for him, so I completely get what you mentioned just a moment ago. But we are so close, We genuinely are. We're not just spending time writing the songs, which are a very very deep level as well anyway, but we've spent lots of other time together in discussion, and there were times in the past where John very much paranoia.

He's a chronic PTSD experiencer. I can't remember the exact figure. I think it's fifty two or fifty four, and sixty is the top. It's obviously not a rating you particularly want, but John is still experiencing PTSD to that cute level. Now it's fifty two or fifty four. I can't remember the number out of sixty. So it's incredible how he's functioning. But I know years ago when he began to share what happened to him, that there were of course grave concerns over this becoming public and others becoming apparent.

But one thing John does beautifully in the book is changes the names. Now it is such a specific account of his life that in a way, even with doing that, this is not something that happens on a regular basis, certainly not that I'm aware of anyway. So it does take courage. It does take courage and strength. But I think the decision John's made, and to some extent myself by supporting this life of John's being told, is the passion to desire to do that is greater than the fear of what could be possibly repercussions.

And it was such a complicated incident. I mean, John shared a post and he said, at times, we all have those days where we go to work and unexpected things happen. And he's so tongue in shake the way he shares what happened to him. He said, because it's not every day that you go to work and your shop by the Bulgarian mafia, and he refers to it as an incident. And I've stood next to him when he's been sharing his life with others, and he said, I was involved in an incident that took place in Bulgaria.

And I stand there with John and say, John, I think it was a little bit more than an incident. But that's his way of managing what happens. So in answer to your initial question, originally, yeah, John had very very great concerns and he was literally looking over his shoulder. But he's growing beyond that in the sense of what he's achieving by sharing what others try to silence and is if nothing else, it's tremendous courage from John to do that. Well, something that we talk about a lot on the show, and I'm sure we've discussed it with you and and Uh, but it comes up a lot.

It's a consistent theme and when talking with musicians and creative people generally, is you know, all the terrible things that happened to us in this life, if you can take negative things and and UH and do something positive with them. In fact, we won't go into details, but Jenny just created a new art piece that's that is a great example of that something negative, you know, but but doing something creative with it, and and in doing something creative with it, and and something that is you know, in the case of what Jenny has done, because she you know, she makes these does these beautiful paintings, so you know, to to take a negative experience and create something positive and something that's nice to look at, that's appealing.

Uh visually is I thought you called it disturbing? Yes, well a good way, but in a good yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's true. Yeah, it is disturbed. It is a disturbing painting to look at. But but but but again, but it's it's the positive part is creating art, making art, making art from trauma, making art from tragedy, making art from being treated unfairly or whatever it is. If you can make art from it, you know, and a lot of music comes out of that. Obviously, a lot of stand up comedy comes from and a lot of the great comics will tell you, you know, they there it's a way of using humor and making other people laugh.

It's a way of of working through their pain, you know, whether they're addressing something specific in their act or maybe their jokes have nothing to do with anything that happened to them, but but it's still a way of working through it. So uh yeah, Well, often when I think of comedians, it's it's painful truth, isn't It's painful truth at times, and that's that's why we laugh, Yeah, because we're hearing a times painful truth. And when you said to Jenny, Hello, Jenny, I hope you are well, Yeah, I'm good, thank you, disturbing, disturbing.

And if you think of creating anything, it requires a bit stirring, a bit stirring, a bit of movement, a bit of something that creates ripples, if you like. And I think art is a wonderful version of that music likewise because it's vibrational. But of course those vibrations at times do come from from pain, from sadness, from trauma. And then the wonderful thing is, over time they then reform into versions of the conversion of that experience, but also they can grow into victory as well.

I just recorded something and I shared the message that the steps we take, the steps we we may not see them as strides, but ultimately the steps we take are the beginning of the strides. Towards victory. So even if we're sharing something which within itself could appear to be dark, shadow were traumatic, that's crucial. That's crucially important because these are not things to be avoided because they are part of our human experience. And I know at times in the past I have I've tried to create musical art that not quite but almost pink and fluffy, and you know, everything's wonderful, but of course it isn't.

So it's just interesting the way you described Gen's art work as being disturbing, And I think art should disturb us, should disturb us, and music should disturb us and make us think about things, perhaps at times that we find challenging to face. And the more we do that, the better will be. Can you tell us about the process of creating this soundtrack, because if I remember correctly, so, is it that John came up with the lyrics and you came up with the music or I mean, I'm sure it's more complicated than that.

But can you kind of take us through the process of how this works creating this soundtrack pretty much pretty much as you've described. John is a lyricist, a poet. His website is John cheatumpoetry dot co dot uk. And that tells you. That tells you fundamentally the mainstay of John he is a wordsmith. He's a wordsmith. So on occasion we have sat together, we have sat together. So John has had some words that perhaps he's originally sent to me, and I've started forming ideas. I'm very impulsive creatively.

I don't sit down and technically think, right, this is going to have this vibe. I go I'm a lyricist myself, so I go deep into the words. I go deep into the emotion that's been conveyed, and then generally my fingers start touching the keyboard and I start to form a chord structure, notes, and I start playing around until I feel that some music and melody is representing the emotional energy of the lyrics. So that's either one less so at the moment, and I think that's probably because of time more than anything else, that John initially was with me fall guy.

For example, We've got video of me creating a chord progression, and John had already sent me the lyrics, and he was in the same room, in the room that I'm speaking to you now. And so a couple of songs have been for that way, but others have been John sent me lyrics I might have at times rearranged. I'm not massively digging myself up. But if a minority report Tom Cruise means anything to you, that's how I create. It's almost the same where I start. I have this screen, this visual screen in front of me, idea wise, and then I start moving words around and a musical form around, and it's a process.

And I know you'll appreciate this as well, Matt, that I haven't got anywhere close to growing tired of yet. I just love the experience of receiving and then transmuting and ultimately transmitting. So it's really the lyrics. The lyrics for me, and particularly in the experience with John, they are They're the blood. They're the blood really that pumps through the veins of the song. Has Obviously, as you mentioned, John's a natural lyricist because he's a poet. Has he always been a poet or is that something that or do You may not know the answer, but I'm curious if that's something that he got into after his experience with the Bulgarian mafia, or is that something that he's always been that he's always had, always been, but not to the degree that he is now.

And I think to some degree it's similar with myself musically. I've had that for many, many years, for well over forty years from when I started forming songs, but not to the degree that it's happened in the last few years. And again, within that experience of John and myself, there's a message for others, which is it's never too late. It's never too late to begin to open up more of the reason why we're here, and creativity in whatever form it is, is such a good way of doing it. So that's become more so for John definitely in the last few years.

How did the two of you meet and wind up working together a local radio station in the on the Filed Coast, and John was associated with the radio station. Of course, I'm a singer songwriter, so I was creating music and grateful for it to be played, as is always the case, and we were introduced to each other as a potential possible collaboration, and we had an original meetup and it's a day I will never forget because it's one of those moments in the film rocket Man. Rocketman, the depiction of Elton John and Bernie Taupin.

And when the moment happened that Elton John is handed lyrics that are Bernie Taupin's, It's like a Hallelujah moment in the film if you've ever seen it. And I genuinely feel that way with John, that this was an experience that, in some form or another, which I can't explain and don't understand, was meant to happen because we just have such an ability together to form and John every single song, every single song has so many gifts within it lyrically, and the lyrics stand on their own, and then when you're adding music in they become even more.

So. We've spent time, so we met. Initially, we talked, John shared his life and I was gobsmacked, as most people. He shows me he's got a credit card with a picture of him and Pele on it. And John's that type of person. He'll just bring out his phone. He'll show you a selfie of him with a famous box. He'll show you a signed portrait of al Pacino, and he does it in a way that it's just a matter of fact. Oh look, you know, here's here's a painting that I received a signed from al Pacino and what so.

Yeah, it's just it's just it's just an incredible person to be around him, and we do have a good laugh as well. Now, who who else is on these songs? Because you a lot of it. You do yourself right in terms of playing the instruments, Yes, keyboard predominantly for me. Okay, some songs on branching a little bit into bass. Guitar, Mark Walker, I remember you gave a lovely commendation last time for the for the drum track. Oh yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah on check it up spin one. So Mark is the sound engineer but also guitarist on all of the music I currently record.

Michelle, Michelle, my partner is on a song we're not playing today, but cry, which is one of mine and John's co written songs. A lot of vocalists I'm working with at the moment, but predominantly musically, it's myself and Mark Walker with the music that's released under the name Ray Coats. Yeah, I think I remember now making that comment about because yeah, the drums just sound so good. There's a lot of music that well, you know, I'm a trained audio engineer and I'm always complaining about production on you know, not openly, but in my mind, I'll be listening to music and I'll be thinking, Jesus, if I'd been in the studio, I would have done it this wear that way in terms of production.

So when I hear when I hear really good drums, I often say, you know, I'm not a big fan of some of our listeners. Of course here in the United States will probably relate to what I'm gonna say, but you know, I often I'm not a big country music fan. But I have to say in Nashville, they've really got it figured out in terms of production and the drums. Any modern country song that comes out of Nashville, the drums sound incredible because they've really figured out how to how to mix the drums. So that, yeah, that always impresses me.

Now, are you working on as this is going on, and as you're working on all of this with John with the soundtrack, are you concurrently produce, producing and creating other music as well? Or because it seems like you've always got more than one thing going on, right, Well, it's like I've tried cooking, for example, a roast dinner, and I never cease it never ceases to amaze me how people can keep all of these things simmering at the same time and can currently bring a meal to completion, Because that's not that's not something I've developed the ability to do.

But I guess musically that is what I do because I always feel like I want to have something simmering in the background, and I think then it creates the opportunity of the thing that is currently being shared doesn't necessarily have a shelf life. For example, with John's project, this is this is going to be ongoing and is going to become part of more. But because I love the creative process, and because I also realize it's a content volume based experience. And what I mean by that is the more you create, then the greater chance you have of certain things becoming a bigger thing.

And of course in that process there are elements of things that you think that was okay, that was all right. Most of what I've written I'm comfortable with, but some things are becoming even more. So the answer is yes, at the moment, there's some incredibly big projects and I can share them here publicly because I feel I want to. One is with a very very famous eighties band in fact, actually their tour in the US soon, which is Madness. Madness and myself and John have actually written a song that we're making a social media project out of, which is a song called Penguin Island and it's a song that's written for Madness and basically we're tracking them down.

We went all the way to London from the northwest of the UK to chase Madness and it's beginning to become a very very lighthearted it's a little bit like a musical version of the stun Cops and we're chasing this band for them to play the song that we've written for the Penguin Island. We had a saxophonist in the studio, Lewis, who is absolutely incredible because Madness very very well known for sax in their song. So that's one and that's that's going to be approaching soon and we're going to be sharing video content our purshoot, our pursuit of the group cool And the other one is Tyson Fury, who I'm sure is well known in America as well the boxer, yes, and not exclusively but the boxing world and mental health.

So we've written an absolutely stunningly beautiful song which has some amazing backing vocals on as well, which is likening life to training and the boxing ring. So the song is called the Ropes of Life, and funny enough, I've just protected the song this morning so I can share it now. And basically the idea is that feeling of isolation when the boxer goes into the ring knowing that they're going to get hurt, knowing that there's going to be pain involved their training regime, and that basically is the illustration for all of us because effectively, we show up in life every single day and at times we know we're going to experience pain, but we still show up.

So this is a real strong song. The cover artwork I've just finished this morning and it's very, very powerful. And I'm beginning to become more public about the stuff that's going on on the back burner, so to speak, because I know this is growing into more and that's why I'm allowing enabling that to happen. So we've got loads of projects. The today project, I guess you could say, is, of course John and fall Guy Run for the Roses, released this weekend, which ties in with the Kentucky Derby as well, which there is relevance and connection with John's life, the property in Bulgaria, the land.

The American who got John to go there and purchase the land wanted to turn this land into a race course. Yeah. Yeah, So there's so many so you now get without jumping ahead as well, the further song as well on the soundtrack album. So there's real, real deep meaning and relevance in the world of horse racing. And ye, John's a magician, a magician with his life and with words. Well, let's since you mentioned it, now would be a good time to play Run for the Roses. We'll give this a listen. Next, of course, if you're just joining us, we have Raycoats skiping in from the UK and we'll give this a listen.

This is of course from the soundtrack of John Cheatham's Life, and this is called again, this is Raycoats. This is called Run for the Roses. Let's uh check this out and then we'll we'll talk with Rays more. I'm gonna run for the Rose. Lying alone in my own code wa bed it seems I came back from the day. A tourist screeched to a halt outside it's the green light to go. If they decide if the best you lin, then I must be sorry for you. It isn't terrible bed. As I leave you today with you you in my trail, you can bet on your line.

I'm gonna run. Fall on the road says thing. You can bet on your lie. Running the fall says, And if you enjoy one time drimp, I play feeling like I was just in my taking a residence in the bird's home. I found some feet above the black sea coach. If a bullet is the best that you can do, then I'm must be a sorry for you. Dad is a terrible old fan. As I leave you today with you in my trail, you can bet on your lie. I'm gonna run sas and bad and I running U sys run aroun, I'm heading bought the coach to jail.

Run around, so you go back home home on my way, You bully, it is the best that you can do, then I must be sorry for you. Sell the folks back home home on my way, and the fog is leaving, said you can man your life. I'm going around here fall the rove says, you can bet all my life. Running the fall the ro says, round around and I'm really going up coast today. Run shall go back home? How all my work I'm doing, he says, men on my life, I'm going to run, says Shell. The folks back home, the full guys leaving to do that has run for the Roses.

That is Raycoats from Fall Guy, the soundtrack of John Chatham's Life, and we have Ray Coats with us on Scype all the way from the UK. Ray what time is it there, by the way, It is just after half four, just after half four in the afternoon, in the afternoon. Okay,

very good, very good? Yeah? Now how many how many tracks are on the album total? Well, at the moment, that's again a great question. We are the album is a work in progress. We've got all of the songs written. But I'm hoping that you will agree with this that we've we've set up a go fund Me, so we've already organized that. We're promoting that. That's a very common thing within the arts these days, where whether it's musicians a band set up a go Fundme to complete an album or filmmakers do likewise as well.

Sure, And we've got a target of six three hundred and ninety nine pounds sterling, and we're promoting it because we need support because recording time cost money, time to travel to the studio, and this figure that I've just given you will also be the production of the album. So for example, those that donate to the gofund me and we've created a link for that will receive a CD copy, a USB key copy, souvenirs we're going to get printed souvenir, but also we're looking to convert the album into vinyl, and of course to print vinyl that costs money and that's included in that figure that I've just given.

So basically, we've got four songs that are released as singles and they're finished, they've been released. We've got another song that I know we're going to be sharing in the show, which is a demo mix version. It's a better version than the original one. And we've got another four songs. So we've got another four songs written, but we need it's difficult to say time wise because it depends on each individual song, but a good few weeks in the studio to complete the album. Hence that's where the support comes from.

But it's one of the tracks is also going to be a version of four Guy, a song that's already released that's actually going to include John's voice and it took John four and a half years to learn to talk again. Wow, So this is this is not sideline stuff. This is just like a It can be a commercial project, but not solely, and that's not me trying to put worth and value on what this is. It's incredibly powerful and a lot of the songs are very very upbeat. Run for the Roses released this weekend, so that's available spot of iTunes, Amazon Music, YouTube, everywhere.

Is effectively John's victory song. So we've reached an initial finish line, which is where we are with the four songs. We've got a fifth that's underway, but we've got another four that we desire to complete for the entire album project, and that's where we welcome the support of others. We're also looking, which is why we're promoting for sponsors, investors, and this is an incredible life story. We know it's leading to more. There's a screenplay currently being written, so anybody who connects with myself and John, it's the beginning of something that's happening anyway.

So it's a really, really good time to be involved and to support what we're doing. You mentioned it took him what did you say, four and a half years for him to be able to speak again. Was was he what? Was he shot in the throat? No, he wasn't. He was shot in the leg, but because of the fall. So basically he was shot on a bridge and then pushed over the bridge.

Oh wow, So I think it was a twenty five foot drop. Oh my god. So that the injuries that John sustained also the bullet was left in him because it was a hatchet job in terms of what could be very brutally deemed as surgery in Bulgarian a very very crude, what can't even be termed as a hospital. And all of this comes out in the book. John was was beaten up as well by the local police with the threat of not sharing what happened, and effectively fled and escaped Bulgaria. At the time Bulgaria went in the EU.

And in this I just want to say as well, there's no there's no political statement. It's being made even against the country that I live in, the UK, But I'm making a statement of fact because this is a human being who wasn't supported in his own country when he returned, and that's why it's such an important life to share and others can support us in that because it's when you read Fall Guy, I can't capture it within the time that we're spend together. It's astonishing that John is still here and doing what he's doing.

Yeah. Yeah. In addition to the book and the music, has he done anything else? Has he participated in, you know, the making of any kind of a documentary or anything about what happened to him? Not yet, not yet, but that's part of what we're looking at. Whether it will either be I should imagine it will be a dramatization of his experience, but I also think because this is becoming bigger, that's why we're creating the songs as well to profile this, and that's why we're looking to others who have far further reach than we have the world of social media.

We do the best we can and things are growing and the awareness is growing, but we're also reaching out to others. So we're actually going to be setting up events very soon in the local area and then expanding so effectively an evening with John Cheatham and it will be me asking questions of John what happened. It will be very very lighthearted at times because that's me and John, and there'll be Q and A from the audience. There'll be a few songs, some book signing. So we're looking to do things like that so that, again, we can generate the varieties of energy that we require in one of those of courses, financial and also the momentum, the momentum to take this wider spread the word for it to grow into what it's already becoming.

And I want to emphasize again there is a screenplay that's taking place that's been written currently, so progress is being made. Definitely. Yeah, very good, very good. We should well, let's go ahead, and I want to play this track Horsepower, which you know you mentioned this is a demo version, but so I've been kind of teasing people with it. You know that this actually includes my voice on it, and I'm very I was very honored that you asked me to do this. So what else should we know about this song before I play it?

Ray? I think it's incredible what happened, Mat. I sent the words that John had written for a piece for you to effectively narrate without actually knowing the context of what it was going to become a part of. Yeah, And effectively horsepower is another reference to the world of horse racing and a comparison with John life. And it came to me recently it's like that that race. I'm not massively a fan, to be honest with you, I'm not condemning horse racing, but of course tragically that there's a loss of life within that sport, as there are within others.

But effectively, John more than stumbled at a herd of fell and got back up, and effectively the analogy of the horse, the horse race and the horse power. Horses are tremendously powerful creatures. Yes, so effectively that turning of being out of the race and then coming back into the race, and it's very similar to Run for the Roses. And I want to say this because it's from the heart, Matt, and I've heard those that have heard it, which is not many, by the way, because I'm very close guarded with certain things.

What an absolutely incredible job you've done. It adds so much to the song, and the song is growing and we want to add more to it. But I just want to say thank you so much. Answer Jen as well for all of your organization of the work you've done on horsepower and we can't wait to finish in Oh oh, thank you, Ray. I appreciate that very much and no, like I said, I'm honored to be a part of it. Well, without further ado, let's we'll give this a listen. This is a demo version of horsepower and I'm on the track, so here it is everybody.

He stumbles out on the gate and can't find this stride, trying to complete the first step, so trying to beat his record time, he spading quickly and finds himself propping up the back of the sack. He keeps his mind as I'm hogings today as quickly needs it. Back on tracks, another slashing us going through the next for a walk, the rest of the packet, final quarterfall, here's the final belt. I'm not sure if he's destined for heaven or health. Guardian angels are calling him at this point, saying we are not ing this thorough bred today.

There's no chance of the devil standing in our way. Drinking Black Eyed Susan's with raven head, blue eyed bloom seas somewhere in the cookie state, I'm falling away from home I must be laid by. When I's on the phone, my body's strung out like Monday washing. I can hear the bye no bell hearts Poe, the race up his life husp. Is this the replay from her? Back at the back and sinewing with fun? Realize my work is done? Another one say from an early grave where no one belongs, perhaps only a boat claw or maybe in a song.

I can hear that by and no bear hasp The race sup he is live? Hasper? Is this the race from hell? Has the race? Save? Here is live? Hat? Is this the replay from hell? I can hear the fire of bell the double one. God decided to toss a coin to seal his faith, but isn't too late. The devil has a double headed coin and is about to rejoice. The angel step in and, feeling there is no choice at the finishing host, the thorough red is saved and they realized there's no stopping him today. There's no stopping him today.

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all right. That is the demo of horsepower. Ray Coats is with us via Skype all the way from the UK. Of course, that is from a fall guy the soundtrack of John Cheatham's Life, and yeah, thank you again Ray for asking me to do that. That's okay, I really like it. How do you feel about it? How do you feel about it? How do you feel how's it worked out for you? Because obviously you've heard it. Yeah, yeah, no, I like it in the context of when you recorded your vocal that was without the music, if you get me right right, Yeah, yeah, I mean you did give me some guidance in terms of of, uh, you know what what I should how I should approach it were you you've done it, You've done it, which was helpful.

But no, I appreciate it, and yeah, it's wonderful to be a part of that. I did notice too. I like how the lyrics at the end of it kind of reference the other track, they're Run for the Roses, brilliant. Thank you. That was actually in the studio Wednesday of last week and it just came to me and I thought it'd be wonderful too, very very appropriately bookend. So the opening lyrics to fall Guy, which was the first single that we released, and one of the lyrics, as you've just said, from Run for the Roses, If a bullet is the best you can do, then I must feel sorry for you.

And this is where it's such a powerful message. It really really is that it could be. I'm not saying it is, but I guess some people could think, wow, this is a bit you know, challengeing, traumatic, dark Yes, there were elements of that, but my goodness me, it's the victory of the human spirit. That's really what this whole project is. Because John's lyrics, his words, his life. If a bullet is the best you can do, then I must feel sorry for you. I mean, if that's if that's not courage and strength, I don't know what is.

He's saying, You've not You've not got over me. And John is about victory, not vendetta. So he's about sharing the power of his experience and they try to get rid of him and it didn't work because he's still here and he's standing toil. Yep. Yeah, absolutely very good. Now, so you probably don't know at this point when I mean, do you have an idea in mind of when you'd like to have the full album out? Like you said, there's a great question. There's some crowd crowdfunding involved. I know, yeah, great question.

Originally it would have been June, which would have been nineteen years from the incident that I'm using the word incident now that happened to John. I can't remember the exact date off the top of my head. That was an original plan. Of course, when we're not we're not going to achieve that. So it's a difficult one because I don't want to I don't want to sound like it's a poor cry, because it really really is. But I'm working like many people, and within social media it does at times feel like we're banging a bit of a help us out drum, but we do need support, so there's no getting away from that.

And the simple answer is when we reach our target that will enable us to complete the album, and the more people that can donate, even what could seem to be a small amount. The gofund me the minimum is five pounds UK sterling. I'm I'm not sure what that translates to in US dollars, but yeah, it's a reasonable sum. But people can donate, for example, twenty five pounds UK sterling and they'll receive a vinyl copy of the album, but that's subject to us meeting our target. So it's one of those where we need to still keep shar but effectively, the more people that donate, that figure is going to go up massively, which is the whole idea of a crowd fund.

So I'd love to answer a question, but at the moment, I can't give a specific date. I mean, I think somewhere before the autumn would be wonderful, But we really need to get this fund rising. Yeah, that's a necessity. So also equally, if anybody has any expertise or ideas on that, we're open to suggestion and certainly open to support. All right, very good, very good, Ray. The time goes so quickly. We are approaching the top of the hour. But I want to make sure that our listeners know where's the best places to go online to keep up with you with everything that you're doing, and of course to follow along with this project and and everything you've got going on.

What should people know about where to find you online? Well, Raycoats, it's r A Y co O A T E s all of the music. I've got a Spotify artists page, iTunes, Amazon Music, YouTube website. I need to do a little bit of work on which I'm planning to do so Raycoatsvoice dot com, across social media, Raycoats or Raycoats Voice and John John is John Cheatham. That's John C. H. E E. T H A M. Poetry dot co dot uk and between us and individually we're working on a number of projects as well. All right, fantastic, fantastic, Ray, Thank you so much.

This has been wonderful as always, and again thank you for including me in the project. And wonderful to talk with you, my friend. And we will do it again soon. You're always You've always got stuff coming out, You're always working on stuff, so I'm sure we'll talk you in the near future. Fantastic. Thank you so much, Matt, thank you Jen, and thank you to your listeners as well. All Right, thank you, Ray, take care, cheers them, bye bye, all right, bye bye, all right the great Ray Coats. And just before we wrap, I actually am I didn't.

I didn't tell them that I am going to play one more Ray Coats song, the track fall Guy, which he did reference during the interview, so I was like, you know what, I'll play that one to end the show. But we want to remind people too. So your art at Mosaic, yes, yes, it's the painting's been dropped off and the opening will be actually next Saturday, on the eleventh, at four pm, will be the official opening of the resurgence art of the Botanical Juried Show and everything will be on display there from the sixth this coming Monday, until I believe it's the twenty eighth.

Okay, what does that mean? By the way, a juried does that mean it's like a jury of people who decide what side what gets in? Yes, exactly, that's exactly it. Yep, okay, and all of the Mosaic are collective shows are jury. To my knowledge, this is my second time making it in to one of their shows, and I'm very excited about that. It's really great. Yeah, you can see that painting and find out more information on me. Lots of new videos of me in Minnesota and Washington, DC at Gencoffee dot com. J E N N C O F F e I dot com.

Very good, Very good, all right, and uh if you miss any part of today's show, it will be up in just a little bit at w n H Radio dot org and in my website Matt Connorton dot com. And uh oh, I knew there was something else I wanted to mention. Tomorrow night will be at Run Like Thieves, Run Like Run Like Thieves is planning Conquered in the Bank New Hampshire Pavilion. It's the Yes, the Bank Newhampshire Stage in Conquered, Yes, at six pm, Yes, six, and we will be there, Yes we will so come say hi.

Yeah under the Run Like Steve's show tomorrow night starting at six and conquered. We'd love to see you. Yeah, we had them on the show recently. We've had them on a couple of times. Great band, great guys, great guys and uh yeah, really looking forward to that tomorrow night. I knew there was something else I wanted to make sure we mentioned, So I'm looking forward to see who we're going to see at the show. Yes, yes, be fun. All right. With that, we will wrap up with here's one more track from Ray Coats.

This is called this is Fall Guy. This is from the soundtrack that we've been discussing and we will finish off with this. And that's going to do it for us for now. I will talk to you all a little bit later. Bye everybody, Bye bye.

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