Matt Connarton Unleashed 6-20-26 hour 2

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12:00 Speaker 3: That is yours so wired. The band is low Sunday and that is from the Black EP. And we've got the guys Bobby and Shane. Let's see if they are on the phone with us. Hey, guys, welcome to the show.

12:13 Speaker 13: Matt.

12:13 Speaker 14: Hey, it's really nice to be with you.

12:15 Speaker 3: So, uh is this Shane?

12:17 Speaker 13: This is Bobby?

12:18 Speaker 3: Okay, so we got both of you guys.

12:20 Speaker 14: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm saying and Bobby is right here.

12:23 Speaker 3: Wonderful. So Bobby Spell and Shane, how do you say your last name?

12:27 Speaker 14: My last name is Saheen, so a lot of people call it Shaney.

12:35 Speaker 3: Okay, all right, very good, very good. So it's like, uh yeah, so I love the project and I'm excited to talk to you guys, because you actually have you got some history here, you've been around for a while. But it's really but also too we should establish this so I refer to Referudy as a band. But is it really just the two of you in terms of the studio output, is it? Is it just the two of you who record and produce all of this?

13:01 Speaker 13: Well?

13:01 Speaker 14: Yeah, in the last in the last two years, yeah, it's just been the two of us. We sort of reunited and started just just writing and writing and recording. Yeah, and we you know, it was just some these last two EPs. Previous to that, it was full band stuff, and we're migrating back over to full band stuff again. You know, we're finishing an EP soon and we're getting back into a full band starting to play live stuff.

13:25 Speaker 3: Great, excellent, excellent. In terms of what you've done recently, was it just because obviously you did have and and I do want to get into that why you had had a long break with this project, But in terms of getting back into it, was it easier to just kind of start to wade back into it with only the two of you?

13:45 Speaker 1: Is that?

13:45 Speaker 12: Is that?

13:46 Speaker 3: Is that kind of why that that played out that way.

13:50 Speaker 14: Yeah, it just it was just pretty natural. First off, the two of us, Like I'm repetitive because I say this all the time that the two we have such great conversations. And when you're younger, you know, you don't realize that you shouldn't be writing music with people you can have a conversation with. It could take four months. It could take four months to write one song and everybody's burnt out and it doesn't turn out as well. But we're so communicative and yeah, so it was just easy. But really what sort of brought us in Our old label came back and he said, hey, you know, maybe we could start with a twenty fifth anniversary remaster with bonus tracks, and then maybe we'll do the thirtieth anniversary remaster of the other the debut album with bonus tracks.

14:37 Speaker 14: So those bonus tracks is what really got us writing and you know, curating our old material, and it kind of got the studio fired up and the software all updated and the learning curve was pretty crazy.

14:51 Speaker 3: Yeah, but yeah, but exciting though too, right, I mean I would imagine, you know, after a long break, I mean, did you guys have you each during that? Is it really twenty five years. The low Sunday was was dormant. Is that is that true? Is that accurate?

15:10 Speaker 14: Yeah, it's it's it's kind of comical. I mean we played in other bands and did other things, and we were musically active in different ways. But yeah, we just kind of like like Bobby had moved away. He was in Atlanta, and he was in Mississippi, and he was in Tupelo and where he last left off, he was in Memphis. That we've been talking and it was literally, you know, it was the It was within days of us saying, look you got to fly up here. We're just let's just start recording and writing a little bit, that the label got in touch with us, and the timing was just funny.

15:43 Speaker 14: Like days after that, the label got in touch and said, hey, we need these bonus tracks. Maybe you could do bonus tracks and do this remaster. But yeah, it was it was that long. I mean Bobby had been had left Pittsburgh for what twenty years?

15:55 Speaker 13: Twenty one years? Yeah, wow, Yeah.

15:58 Speaker 14: It's so surreal and we start talking and the numbers it doesn't even make sense, right, you know, it's sort of so abstract.

16:05 Speaker 13: I have since relocated to Pittsburgh. So I'm ok here now I've been back for about a year.

16:10 Speaker 3: Oh excellent, excellent. So do you think so the label when they approached you about these bonus tracks and whatnot, do you think they had an ulterior motive? Like was there somebody at the label going, you know, if we can just get these guys to do these bonus tracks, maybe maybe this will lead to something more.

16:28 Speaker 14: You know, that's kind of funny. We don't really think that way. We always think like one dimensionally that we really don't think that. I mean, in this case, I think he was just saying, hey, look, you're really not representing your catalog. We're Bobby and are both sort of like flash and burn types, you know, where it's like okay, we're doing that, and like now we're moving on. We're going to do this, and we just believe in the creative aspect of things, and we're saying, you know, whatever wherever it goes, we can leave it in the dust because we have more songs than us and if if no one ever hears that again, we have more music in our future.

17:04 Speaker 14: We believe in it, like the abundance of creative ideas. So we were never too connected to anything, you know.

17:11 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean there's something well, there's something kind of liberating about tattoo though, isn't there.

17:19 Speaker 14: Well, the fact that it's not a reality, you know, like it's sort of like a delusional reality.

17:26 Speaker 13: They seem to be much more streamline with the two of us.

17:31 Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

17:32 Speaker 14: From a writing standpoint, it's you if you're sensitive, you get into real delicate things. You're deep into ideas and you don't want to get into a tug of war over ideas. And you know, you have a vision and it's really hard to compromise a vision. And yes, we do work best that way a bit. You know, we are coming out on the other side of that too. We have a couple of people playing with us now that are just incredible musicians. They understand what we're doing. They're they're not fighters. There's somebody that understands and just want to make things better.

18:08 Speaker 14: Yeah, So it just takes the right people. It's like anything. The difference between things going great and going terribly is the people that are involved.

18:20 Speaker 7: Oh.

18:20 Speaker 14: Absolutely, Chemistry is everything. I mean, chemistry is everything.

18:26 Speaker 3: Well, and you guys have to be kind of picky too about who you bring into the project, right, because you obviously have such a bond. I mean it sounds like it's it's almost intuitive right with the two of you. So anybody who you bring in has to be able to not necessarily match that energy, but at the very least not disrupt it either.

18:42 Speaker 14: Right, Totally, Yeah, totally. It's very sensitive. It's kind of it's actually kind of scary because we both know. We're like, wow, we're so sensitive and these things you know, you take for granted, like like a momentum or the stability of ideas and direction that we're both so sad inositive that you know, you get the wrong ingredient in the mix, and we're like, wow, what if something somebody would try, it could derail us. We're committed to not letting anything like that happen. Yeah, you know, we feel more stable at this point in our lives than probably when we were younger and more sensitive.

19:20 Speaker 13: Sure, we did already have a familiarity with both of these guys we brought in them, so well that help them for quite a while.

19:27 Speaker 14: Yeah, they're actually old friends and they totally get it. It's it's we've never experienced things opening up and just working, you know, like we're talking about like, oh, it's just the universe provides and all this stuff. It's been actually scary to us how it's just sort of this path keeps opening. We don't understand. I mean from Shauna, it's shameless that that's been working with us for the last you know, this last year, just opening these different roads and connections. And when we were younger, we tried so hard and we worked so hard and so hard, and now it's it's just different.

20:02 Speaker 14: It's like everything is just falling into place in a way that it feels sort of serendipitous.

20:07 Speaker 3: Yeah. Shout out to Shanna by the way, because she's sends us so many great guests. That's you know, that's how we met you guys through her obviously, and you know, anybody she sends us we automatically will book because she she only works with, you know, really high quality artists like you guys.

20:24 Speaker 14: So well, thank you. Yeah, she's been amazing, and we said ourselves, what have we done to deserve her? You know, she's enriched our lives. I mean just on a personal level too, not just the business, but just connecting with someone who is sharp and who cares, and it's just you feel like you have people going the same direction together and it's kind of you know, you hope that rising tide list.

20:48 Speaker 3: Cell boats right right exactly. So so we talked about how the reunion came about. What was it that caused the band's long absence to begin with. I mean you kind of allude to it, like you guys are kind of flash and burn types anyway, So maybe you were never that connected to it in the beginning. I don't know, like what, because again, that is a long that's a quarter century of no Low Sunday.

21:12 Speaker 14: I know, well, early on, we're I mean we're deeply, deeply committed. Early on, I mean we worked very hard, we pushed hard, we tried everything. I mean, we were working and we were going through you know, we had a couple of really stable lineups and things go really well and then something would fall apart and then there was like a burnout with that. I think the last thing that kind of we did a record in ninety nine. That record we finished, we went to England and promoted it for like five months.

21:42 Speaker 14: Everything fell apart when we went there. Nothing went right.

21:45 Speaker 6: Oo.

21:46 Speaker 14: We came back from England right before Christmas and we started working. We had been distributing through Projects Darkwave's catalog for years with other material, but we finally got signed to Project and Project was going to re release the same record that we had been promoting and pushing already, so we had to re It's like would do a round two promoting the same record? Just all those things. This led to us kind of just we just got cooked somehow. I don't know what happened. Yeah, in the self preservation, it's always been for the creative, like anything that and where like this Now, anything that starts to threaten the creative, the love to do, with the desire to do it, anything that does that will run to save the creative.

22:33 Speaker 14: It's like it's like protecting the egg.

22:36 Speaker 3: Yeah that makes sense.

22:38 Speaker 14: Yeah, but yeah, sometimes it's been very self sabotaging. We're trying not to do that. These days, we're more focused and definitely more aligned. Yeah.

22:47 Speaker 3: Well, when you talk about thinks, you know, because I love these kind of music industry war stories. When when you talk about you went to England and just everything went wrong, like like, what do you mean, like what kinds of things went wrong? I know you don't want to relive that probably, but just just just give me just a little bit.

23:02 Speaker 14: Well roughly, you know, we got there in the in like the middle of summer, after finishing a record in the spring. Yeah, we were having we're the record wasn't even pressed yet, it was we had a DAT tape that we took to Olympic Olympic studios in London and we're having CDRs made that we were starting to pass out. We're pursuing a manager over there that ended up being in the Bahamas all summer. We thought, we're gonna we're just gonna go to him. We're going to find him. We're just gonna go there.

23:33 Speaker 14: We're going to give him our stuff. He's going to love us. Yeah, and you know the rest is history. Well, we get there, we call him and yeah, like they said, oh, he's on holiday, like he won't be back until so he was gone for two months. Then the rest of our lineup couldn't the other band members couldn't come over, and then we're trying to put a band together through the melody maker. And then with melody maker, the ad we place, they put the wrong contact information. They were no. We lost like a month to a typo and melody maker before we could get that corrected and then we just it was just it was pure chaos.

24:09 Speaker 14: You know, we didn't have we were trying to find a place to live. And if you didn't, if you weren't there at ay thirty in the morning to see an apartment, it was gone by nine o'clock and we're living an upside down nice you know, we're out all night to go look for an apartment. So it was just everything just kind of went wrong. Yeah, and it cost of living was crazy, So yeah, we just it kind of fell. It was a great experience. We got to hang out with the late Nick marsh from Flush Fulluluve. That was probably the highlight of our whole trip.

24:42 Speaker 14: We were hanging out in Camden with some of the old old timers like that. Everything else went completely wrong.

24:50 Speaker 3: And you know, just for context too, for people who don't realize, this was at a time when I mean, it wasn't it wasn't pre Internet, but it was certainly pre certain pre social media, and so in terms of communicating with people and logistics and all of it, it still was much tougher than what we have today in that regard.

25:11 Speaker 14: So yeah, oh yeah, totally. Yeah, you're like you're dealing. Like cell phones were starting to come up a little bit, they're improving, yeah, but you'd have being in another country, you have to have a burner phone, even the burner phones, Like I could talk about things going around the burner phones. It was like their advertised you would buy like an eighty dollars prepaid thing and it was supposed to be for one pence a minute, you know, for international phone calls. They were so scammy that you would be on the phone for ten minutes and it would use up here eighty pounds.

25:42 Speaker 13: Yard that you just bought.

25:43 Speaker 14: Oh yeah, like just all these things just kept getting It was just kind of funny. It was all our fault for just being naive.

25:50 Speaker 11: You know.

25:51 Speaker 3: Well you were young, and you know, yeah that a lot going on, you know, But but you guys so so after it stopped though, I mean, you guys both went on to you wouldn't play it in another band. So it's not like you guys left the music industry, right, I mean you both stayed there.

26:07 Speaker 14: Not at all, Yeah, not at all.

26:08 Speaker 3: That's good.

26:09 Speaker 14: Yeah, maybe at least for a good ten years after that, we were heavily active in different projects, and you know, just just pushing in different directions, you know, creatively, when you do what you do naturally, you start to creatively you start saying, well, am I just doing? Am I being creatively lazy?

26:29 Speaker 11: Like?

26:29 Speaker 14: Can I can I write like we do all this atmosphere atmosphere crazy delay and echoing stuff, and it's it's dark and it's dreamy, and it's all this stuff like pushing ourselves. Like for me, it was like getting back to more like the punk rock roots that I grew up with, like saying, you know, these songs are really straight? Can I write a straight song without hiding behind fog machines and effects and all this kind of stuff? You want to creatively challenge.

26:55 Speaker 3: Yourself, you know, right right now? I'm curious too for both of you, when when you put Low Sunday aside, you know, after your terrible experience and all of that, was it was it kind of like at the time, did you think, okay, so this is in the rear view mirror, now now we're just each going to go forward?

27:15 Speaker 7: Or was it?

27:17 Speaker 3: Was it always and you know you both might have too completely different answers, so I'm curious or or was it always kind of in the backs of your minds that you know, we will probably revisit this someday.

27:30 Speaker 14: Bobby, Shane and I.

27:35 Speaker 13: Even after I moved away, Shane and I continued to discuss music and share ideas. Yeah, so I think there was always sort of a dream that maybe we would come back together at a point. Yeah, didn't really have an idea of the reality of that or not, but I think it on some level we viewed it as a possibility if things lined up properly.

28:01 Speaker 12: Yeah.

28:01 Speaker 14: In the band, for me, I mean like Lost of the Ghost Machine that was that was sort of for me. I was like a coming of age man. That's where you know, you go through the teenage stuff. You go through, like we go through the punk rock, you go through like the first heartbreak stuff, and then you know, I find myself in my early twenties and you know, like I'm hearing these songs, these heartbreak songs, like I remember my sister playing like all these new wave kind of classics, Like she was always deep into all this other, this whole other side of things, and you kind of go through that dark period.

28:33 Speaker 14: And so when I came out of all that stuff, I sort of felt sort of forced with that sort of that background, and so this project is always felt like like my first like sort of a baby too, like where you say, this is who I am and this is what I do and this is where I'm comfortable. Yeah, I never wanted to abandon it so much, and we always were maybe thinking of an opportunity to get back, you know. I felt like it would never go away, right, just like when will our heads be in the right space to to elaborate on those ideas more deeply?

29:08 Speaker 3: Okay, no, that makes sense. I feel like too, that the sound you guys have is sort of timeless. That I don't know how you feel about these labels, and I'm curious to know, like shoegaze and dark wave, but I feel like I feel like the sound that you have is timeless and that you know it. We listen to something like You're So Wired. It sounds current, but it also sounds like it could have come out in the nineties, you know what I mean?

29:32 Speaker 7: Uh?

29:33 Speaker 3: And I feel like that, And I feel like these these genres like shoe gave, dark, shoe gaze, dark wave, they kind of lend themselves to that. There's a certain timelessness to that whole that whole sort of vibe and that production style and all of that. But I mean, how do you how do you guys feel about those labels? I mean, do you do you call yourselves shoegaze? Do you call yourselves dark wave? Do do you care about that? Or do you let other people just kind of decide what to call you or.

29:59 Speaker 14: Well, Like it's it's funny because it's like, just as you're saying, like, the Internet was kind of weak at that point. Yeah, so a lot of the genre genre banding stuff was also weak. So there's people that you know when early on people didn't know how to what to call us. You know, we like we were like, well, is it gloom pop?

30:19 Speaker 7: Is it?

30:19 Speaker 14: Is it synth wave?

30:21 Speaker 7: Is it?

30:22 Speaker 14: It was post punk? But there wasn't a real heavy label, even shoe gets. There wasn't a hardcore like hard term really for that. I mean it was maybe it's really small circles, but broadly there wasn't. Right, we don't mind all the labels. It's funny like now with all the sublet we've found ourselves, we're looking back, we're saying we were a gloom waves band from the beginning, and it was a genre that over the years it starts to come to life, and we're saying we're like archetypal gloom Waves and didn't didn't know it, you know, And it's it's sort of like retroactively, you're able to label things more easily, right, But we we don't mind the labeled.

31:01 Speaker 12: We like it all.

31:01 Speaker 14: I mean, the dark wave stuff we relate to. Even our first real good distribution in the mid nineties was through Project Project Has. It had a distribution catalog called the dark Wave Catalog, and we're distributing through dark Waves, So that was sort of our definition of that. We just thought it was, you know, what it is exactly? I don't I still can't define, right, But no, we don't mind. We don't mind the labels.

31:26 Speaker 3: It's it's all good, Okay.

31:27 Speaker 14: We feel like we never fit exactly in the one yeah, which is challenging.

31:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, but that's yeah. It's funny because when you and the way the industry works, it's it's helpful in a marketing sense if you're if you can be categorized and sort of labeled and but but creatively, I think it's probably more fulfilling if it's hard to label you and categorizing you know what I mean, because then you feel, yeah, yeah, you know you're doing something truly interesting. If it's hard for people to put a label on it, well what's funny?

32:00 Speaker 14: Or early on, you know, like someone would someone would pin us to say, oh, you're a goss band, and we would do We did the same thing that we grew up, watching the bow House and echoing the Bunnymen and the Cure. You watch all these other people, they're like, no, we're not, No, we're not like we you. I think the best thing we could do is anytime you just deny, you think you keep this denying saying well, no, I don't think we're that. I don't think you know, we denied ourselves sort of into like obsolescence, right, We're not that, We're nothing.

32:31 Speaker 14: We're not.

32:33 Speaker 3: I'm curious who about the name? So originally so when you formed in nineteen ninety four, it was Low Sunday Ghost Machine. Correct, yeah, yes, and then and then it became and eventually just Low Sunday as one word. But but where does the name come from?

32:47 Speaker 6: What?

32:47 Speaker 3: What is the meaning of that?

32:49 Speaker 14: Uh, the Sunny Ghost Machine is Actually it was a combination. It was partly a rip off. At the time, one of my favorite pants in the world was the Bend Low Life. Low Life. I thought were like it should rule the planet, and like I connected with them. It's like, ah, low it is a great word, loads a great really good word, like a strong word. And then I went through a series of things. It's hard to describe it. I would maybe just say like emotional uh low points where it felt like this. I was like, wow, there's like this almost like a systematic punishing sort of thing, and why it always feels like it's like Sundays and it's like Sunday night and like could you end up in the clink?

33:37 Speaker 14: You know, like what is this whole oppressive force? And it was sort of out of that, you know that we just sort of spun this thing. And then what's funny is the music was sort of like almost an extension of that and that like we used a lot of fog machines. It was like this this big, swirly kind of mess.

33:56 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.

33:58 Speaker 14: It was almost captured the emotion, the feeling that that was actually the origin of the whole project.

34:05 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, that uh that makes sense. It's cool, dude to have a name that makes people curious. But when you so when you shortened it, when you shortened it to low Sunday, was that was that the label wanting that?

34:17 Speaker 14: Or it was in nineteen Uh, it was like nineteen ninety seven. We had we had just played with the band Klana's Imox. We had just done a show with them in Pittsburgh. It was like a highly publicized show. It was the best show we'd ever played.

34:34 Speaker 3: Yeah.

34:35 Speaker 14: They were on a record label at the time called Test. Test was like a dream pop label from Santa Barbara. The main guy in his band was this Ascension, and this ascension was you know, they had already been to them really well in that world. They had signed Clanna's Imox, who was killing it at the time, and so we had we had opened for Clana's Imox. You know, we get on their bus after the show and we got offered a record deal right there. We signed it. I don't know whatever happened. It completely fell through one years later.

35:07 Speaker 14: I think what happened, it was the biggest disappointment of our lives because we're like, oh, you know, Zymox is working with the same producers as The Cure and they're getting their records mixed by you know, John Rivers or you know all this David al and all these crazy people, and we were like just again naives. But at the same time talking to the label, it was like, you know, it might be better to just a shorten the name. It'd be much easier. I still regret it because I like the long name better.

35:35 Speaker 3: Oh really, which is why we.

35:36 Speaker 14: Keep tagging it into Yeah, I love the long name. And again talking about like pre Internet and all that stuff, I was tired of typing that name.

35:44 Speaker 3: Yeah it was.

35:45 Speaker 14: It was like so many letters and words that I thought, yeah, if we can shorten it, let's shorten it, you know, like I'm sick of typing the word or all the word the name, you know.

35:55 Speaker 3: So yeah. I'm also curious to ask you about the video for your so wire this it's pretty cool, like how did did you collaborate with somebody on this? Or was this diiy or I mean it really fits the vibe of the song. I like the black and white aesthetic of it. I like everything about this, and I encourage people not right now stay with us for now, but after the show, please everyone go to YouTube and look up low Sunday you're so wired and check out this video.

36:25 Speaker 13: But yeah, thank you.

36:27 Speaker 3: What can you tell us about this video?

36:30 Speaker 14: Well, the video, it's it's pretty interesting because we've done a whole series of videos over the last year. Yeah, he actually was a close friend originally from with Bobby and you might eat his name's jar Herring and jar Herring like he had a lot of music success too, Like he was in the band Dink if you remember the Van dnk Okay nineteen nineties, they hosted like one underd twenty minutes, and they had done really well there on Capitol. They were doing all this crazy stuff and really talented.

36:57 Speaker 14: But Jarre started getting into doing videos and him and Bobby had stayed in touch, but chair with each video that he does for us, we sort of let go a little bit more and just he kind of leads us into a direction. He wants the lyrics, he wants to know what's going, you know, with the songs roughly about and then he just sort of interprets it in a way and then we sort of collaborate a little bit just to tweak it. But he's just he's been nailing it for us, and he captured something in the last one but yeah, an the aesthetic, the black and white aesthetic is something that we're really you know, we're really kind of clinging to a black and white aesthetic right now.

37:34 Speaker 14: And I think goes to the timeless thing that you're talking about. Just it's something it's less, you know, let's you can't really read it. You don't know when, when or where it.

37:44 Speaker 3: Was right right, Yeah, No, it's it's very cool. Like I said, I encourage people to check it out. And the other thing too, that you know, we haven't talked about that I want to touch on, is you know, the concept of the black EP and the white EP.

37:57 Speaker 3: Very curious about that obviously, that's you know, that's that's an interesting approach. Was that your idea was that the label like, like who who came up with that? Because it's very interesting?

38:08 Speaker 14: Well, yeah, that was something we wanted to do. First off. We wanted to we like the more immediate gratification of the EPs, you know where you're because we had found you know, like even even with the remasters, you know, by the time you had a twelve song album and five remixes or old material that we had added in like bonus tracks, we felt like a lot of stuff was just getting kind of falling between the cracks. Yeah, we're saying, you know, let's just put out five strong songs and they'll be out quickly, they'll be heard.

38:43 Speaker 12: You know.

38:44 Speaker 14: It's like paying attention to five things instead of seventeen things, right right, But yeah, that the white and the black where it became. The first idea was like, Okay, these records, it's going to be the two covers are part of one bigger picture. It's going to be a vertical post. When you put the one on top of the other, it'll line up and it's like this brutallest image this artwork. And it starts lighter the white ep is it's blown out a little more, and as it goes into the black epe that covers even darker.

39:10 Speaker 14: It just has a gradient to sort of captured the feel. So we knew there's gonna be two EPs. We also knew that we're sort of so excited getting in the studio that we knew that like sort of the manic aspect where you first get in and you're excited and you're you're pumping out this this stuff that shows all this enthusiasm and excitement. We knew that was going to settle down and you know, you come back to your real self which might be not quite as peaked out. Sure, and that so the Blackupe we knew we kind of thought it would kind of go that direction, and we kind of wanted to push it that way too, to get back to some of our darker roots and see how far we could go that direction.

39:53 Speaker 3: Also, yeah, yeah, no, I like it. It's att yeah, I say yeah.

39:58 Speaker 13: It was just fun.

39:58 Speaker 14: It was like one of those things. It wasn't super planned out, just it just all sort of made sense on a real It was probably a five minute discussion.

40:06 Speaker 3: Well, it's an interesting uh you know, because it it kind of addresses an interesting conundrum that exists in twenty twenty six that did not exist in the late nineties or mid to late nineties, you know, in that how do you you know, what do you do? There's so many different ways to release music now. You could release an album, you could release EPs, you could release a series of singles. You know a lot of artists now kind of do the inverse of what used to be the model where they release a series of singles that eventually coalesce into an EP or an album.

40:38 Speaker 14: You know, and that's totally yeah.

40:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's an interesting conundrum because you know, you got to feed that machine, you know, in terms of algorithms, you got to think about that and social media and all of it.

40:49 Speaker 14: So yeah, so I think doing the EPs attention, the attention thing has shifted, you know, to even our own you know, where people are content with, you know, ten second clips. You know, like you could almost see a future where your whole album is ten second clips, right and people just swipe it, swipe it, swipe it, and you're like, and you know, forty seconds later, like that was a great album.

41:15 Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, Well listen, guys, this has been wonderful. Shannon, Bobby, I really appreciate you both joining us today on the show. In a couple of moments, sure, absolutely, In a couple of moments, we're gonna play We're gonna end our conversation with another great track that I love, This is Not Heaven. Anything anything you can tell us about this one, anything we should know before we play it.

41:41 Speaker 14: We've thoroughly enjoyed recording that song. Just as it started to come started to come to life. It was very angular, like the conjecting, the like the sort of the grally kind of sense stuff and to the choruses, it was one of the and it was kind of fun to do it as an understatement, you know, like it's sort of understated. It's like a real calm sort of like like a subtle like this is not heaven, you know, like in other words, like this is how right right? But it was fun just to creatively do something with like that's just a huge understatement of a situation.

42:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, no, I like it a lot. This is a really good track. And before we do that too, and before we let you guys go, where's the best place to go online? To keep up with everything that Low Sunday is doing.

42:32 Speaker 14: We tend Instagram. We're really focused. That seems to be our most comfortable outlet, you know, where we seem to be the most active. It does trickle off into Facebook and even on a lesteral level like TikTok.

42:47 Speaker 3: Sure.

42:48 Speaker 14: But yeah, but our main two hubs would be either of our band camp, like for instance, our label Project Project. They're really band camp centered, like everything is on Project is a Project's band camp. That's where you buy all our records or our t shirts. You can buy their whole catalog is there. It's been a really interesting platform.

43:11 Speaker 13: Yeah.

43:11 Speaker 14: But yeah, so band Camp and Instagram, those are the two big ones for us.

43:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a big I'm glad you mentioned band Camp. I'm a big fan of band Camp. And if Shawna happens to me, if she happens to be listening, I'm sure she's heard me say this a thousand times. But what a lot of people don't realize about band Camp too, is if you get the music from there, you get a higher quality file then you do if you're just say streaming it from YouTube or or in some instances perhaps even Spotify. Like with band Camp, you get a high quality file, which is important.

43:40 Speaker 14: It's such a nice platform. It's such a nice platform. It's just it's like a dashboard that makes managing the whole deal, like really really easy. And I say that as if I know what I'm talking about. That from what I hear, it's amazing.

43:54 Speaker 3: No, it's true, it's true. It's very artist friendly, and yeah, it's an incredible platform. So we're a big We're big, yeah, you know. And they don't they don't pay us. We're not they don't sponsor the show or anything. I just say that because I think band camp is amazing and I'm always I'm actually to be honest, Oh go ahead.

44:11 Speaker 14: I know, yeah, we say it the same way as you. It's like, what's amazing, it's such a such a strong platform and there's no catch right. No, it's not like, well, here's where they get you. You know they're going to try to It's just it works so well, it's so tied together. I mean, it couldn't be a more perfect platform. You hope nobody comes along and ruins it.

44:28 Speaker 3: Oh I know. Yeah, I was gonna say. I'm always surprised when I encounter artists who are not on band camp. It's like, you know, what are you doing? Like why aren't you? Yeah, the encounter a surprising number of artists who are not, but but they should be.

44:43 Speaker 14: Well, you're a musician too, right, yes, yes, I thought that was my understanding. You're a musician too.

44:48 Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, I'm a bass player. I don't I'm not currently active because, as you know, it's a it's a lot of work.

44:56 Speaker 14: But yeah, you have to really fit it into your space. That's cool too. Yeah, we love we're both huge bass fans.

45:03 Speaker 3: Oh nice, nice, outstanding, outstanding, Well, listen. We'll let you guys go. We're going to hit this track This Is Not Heaven, but again, thank you so much Shane and Bobby from Low Sunday and we'll definitely do this again in the future. It sounds like you guys got a lot going on, so we look forward to more uh more music from you and uh you know, we'll definitely have you back.

45:23 Speaker 14: Yeah, maybe we'll see you in Manchester nearby sometime. We're going to start playing some shows, so we'll see we ever get up that way, we'll.

45:29 Speaker 3: Let you know, keep us posted absolutely absolutely all right, sounds good.

45:35 Speaker 14: All right, thanks so much.

45:36 Speaker 3: All right, you got it, guys, you got it anytime.

45:38 Speaker 14: Thank you, Take care, great meeting, carefu, bye bye bye.

45:42 Speaker 2: All right.

45:43 Speaker 3: That is Shane and Bobby from Low Sunday and let's go ahead and hit this track, another great track from the Black EP. I really like this a lot. This is called This Is Not.

45:53 Speaker 15: Heavens sat.

47:10 Speaker 2: Shots, stensst listen to.

47:33 Speaker 5: Inst shots, statist Table, sat.

49:09 Speaker 11: Pass shows.

49:29 Speaker 16: St Oh.

50:07 Speaker 3: That is This is Not Heaven from Low Sunday from the Black EP. Thank you to those guys, Shannon Bobby for joining me today on the program. I really enjoyed talking with them. I've become a fast fan of Low Sunday. I love their sound. I love their sound so much that we're gonna sneak in one more. Let's play Shattered. We'll play one more Low Sunday track from the Black EP and and then after that we will show some love to our amazing sponsors. But we have time. Let's play one more. This is Shattered by Low Sunday.

51:00 Speaker 5: Shot shot.

51:48 Speaker 2: Show ship. That's so, that's.

52:28 Speaker 5: This side show.

52:53 Speaker 2: Show shows.

53:16 Speaker 3: So I love it. That is Shattered by Low Sunday. And again, thank you to Shane and Bobby from Low Sunday for joining us today on the program. I loved talking with them. I just got a very nice follow up email from Shane apparently they enjoyed it as well, and so, yeah, great guys. I really like talking with them and love their sound. So absolutely we might hear we might hear a little more Low Sunday the third hour. I'm not sure because so we have an interesting dilemma here. So live radio, the adventures of live radio, and that is one of the exciting things about live radio is that anything can happen.

55:12 Speaker 3: I'm building this up to be much more exciting than it is. It's really not exciting at all, but a potential problem that we have. So our guest in our number three great all female punk band from the UK called Beaker. I'm very excited to speak with them, really like what they're doing. I even made a radio edit of one of their songs just so I could play it on the show. They have a song called Sally Said that I love, but I said, I have to make a radio edit of this. I cannot play this as is. So I did that and everything.

55:42 Speaker 3: Here's the problem. So a little bit of a breakdown in communication. They told me in an email that they would like to use WhatsApp for the interview, but they never gave me the phone number. We have many guests who join us via WhatsApp, but I need to know what phone number to call using WhatsApp. And I was told, yes, we would like to use WhatsApp. Okay, Well I need to know the number. And I sent another email this morning before the show saying, hey, I need the number to call and I have not received a reply.

56:19 Speaker 3: So I don't know if that interview is going to happen today or not. Now, if it doesn't, the good thing about a show like this is we can always pivot. We do other things on the show too. In addition to interviews, you know, we also do a lot of music industry news, which is always fascinating, especially in these times of AI and the impact that it's had on the music industry that it is having, that it's continuing to have. And you know, there's always somebody suing somebody, there's always a scandal or a controversy of some kind.

56:48 Speaker 3: Love those those are really good for social media engagement too, trust me, I would know. So I don't know what's going to happen in the third hour. It's all an adventure. Maybe I'll finally hear back from them. Maybe I'll hear back from them part way through the third hour, so we'll still be able to get them on, but it'll just be a little bit late. I don't know what's going to happen, and but it is. It is exciting, is it not. It's the adventure of live radio, and I do fully embrace it because well, you kind of learn to.

57:18 Speaker 3: I've been doing this for a while, do you know. It's been in April, Yeah, in April of this year. It's been nine years that I've been here at WM and H doing this show live, and so it's uh, you know, you learn, you'll learn that sometimes things go wrong. So far, everything's been very smooth today. But I have no idea if you are listening live on Saturday, I have no idea if Beeker is joining us in the third hour or not. They may not, and then I have to make some decisions while do I still play one of their songs or do I get really mad that you know, they didn't tell me the way number and refuse to play them, or no, things do go wrong and miscommunications do happen, and so I'm always I tend to be very forgiving and flexible.

58:09 Speaker 3: Like I said, it's not like it recks the show. We can always pivot. It's very easy to pivot. So I've been at this a while. But we'll see. So anyway, that's my long winded way of saying, if you are here listening to us live on Saturday, coming up in the third hour, we might have Beaker on the show.

58:26 Speaker 6: I hope.

58:26 Speaker 3: So I hope it works out. I'm excited to talk with them. If not, we'll do something else. But the point is we're coming to the close of our number two, so we are going to show some love to our amazing sponsors here at WM and H, of which we have many, many great sponsors, and we will see what happens in the third hour, so stick around. It's always an adventure. Nana's Kitchen and Pizzerin.

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