Matt Connarton Unleashed 6-20-26 hour 3

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0:11 Speaker 1: Matt Connorton Unleashed presents the exclusive world radio premiere of

0:15 Speaker 1: the new single from Flock, coming out June twenty four,

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9:01 Speaker 1: and subscribe, etc. Etc. Today is Saturday, June twentieth, twenty

9:06 Speaker 1: twenty six. It is summer. It is my favorite time

9:09 Speaker 1: of year. I think is today the first day of

9:11 Speaker 1: summer according to the calendar or is that tomorrow? I'm

9:15 Speaker 1: not sure to me, June first is summer. It's certainly

9:18 Speaker 1: the start of meteorological summer. Hey, I said it without

9:20 Speaker 1: stumbling over at meteorological Wow. I'm getting good at this.

9:24 Speaker 1: My voice is not cracking as much as I expected

9:26 Speaker 1: it to be when I started the show. If you

9:28 Speaker 1: are listening live on Saturday, if you heard me in

9:30 Speaker 1: the very first hour of the show, my voice was

9:33 Speaker 1: cracking because allergies have been horrendous this year, not just

9:36 Speaker 1: for me, but for many people. But I thought by

9:41 Speaker 1: the time we got to the third hour my voice

9:42 Speaker 1: would be cracking pretty severely, but it seems to be

9:45 Speaker 1: at a minimum, so I'm able to somewhat maintain my

9:49 Speaker 1: dulcet tones, which is a very good thing. But yes,

9:53 Speaker 1: it is, of course Saturday, June twentieth, and we do

9:57 Speaker 1: have some interesting music news and one of these I

10:03 Speaker 1: was very surprised to see.

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10:05 Speaker 1: Before we go any further too, I do want to

10:07 Speaker 1: mention the two world radio premieres that we had that

10:08 Speaker 1: we opened the hour with, of course, and we opened

10:10 Speaker 1: the show earlier with today. These are exclusive world premieres,

10:14 Speaker 1: meaning you will not hear these anywhere else until they

10:16 Speaker 1: are released online. We had Stop Turning, the new single

10:19 Speaker 1: from Flock Flok Flock Stop Turning comes out June twenty fourth,

10:25 Speaker 1: and the other one was Idle five their new single

10:28 Speaker 1: Blood in My Margarita, which comes out June twenty six,

10:31 Speaker 1: So those are not available yet. You heard them here first, literally,

10:35 Speaker 1: you heard them here first on Matt connorton Unleashed here

10:38 Speaker 1: on WMNH ninety five point three FM. So a couple

10:42 Speaker 1: of world radio premieres exclusively here, and thanks to our

10:47 Speaker 1: friends at Big gpr for sending us those They send

10:50 Speaker 1: us a lot of great stuff, So onward and upward

10:53 Speaker 1: in the meantime we go because we do have This

10:57 Speaker 1: relates to something we talked about earlier. We had members

11:01 Speaker 1: of the band The Surge on the show with us

11:04 Speaker 1: in the first hour and we were talking about CDs. Now,

11:08 Speaker 1: if you happen to hear that interview, you might know

11:10 Speaker 1: what I'm referring to, because they're in the UK and

11:15 Speaker 1: they were talking about how the new album Meow, which

11:18 Speaker 1: comes out in August. Their new album coming out in August,

11:21 Speaker 1: it's going to be they're going to have physical CDs.

11:25 Speaker 1: And this is a subject that comes up a lot

11:27 Speaker 1: on the show. When you're releasing music in the year

11:30 Speaker 1: twenty twenty six, how do you do it? Do you

11:31 Speaker 1: just do it digitally? Do you just put it out

11:33 Speaker 1: on the streaming platforms like Spotify and band camp and everything?

11:37 Speaker 1: Do you do physical CDs?

11:38 Speaker 3: Do you do?

11:39 Speaker 1: Vinyl? Vinyl very popular these days. Actually, what was it

11:42 Speaker 1: a few years ago? What was it maybe twenty twenty

11:44 Speaker 1: three or twenty twenty four, the first year since CDs

11:47 Speaker 1: came out that Vinyl actually outsold CDs, and I don't

11:51 Speaker 1: know where CDs fall right now in terms of how

11:54 Speaker 1: they're selling. But new music is still released on CD,

11:58 Speaker 1: certainly still released on vinyl. There's even indie artists putting

12:01 Speaker 1: out cassette tapes, not kidding. You can find them if

12:05 Speaker 1: you don't believe me. So physical media is still very

12:08 Speaker 1: much a thing. But gone are the days, or at

12:13 Speaker 1: least I thought gone were the days of people burning CDs. Now,

12:19 Speaker 1: if you are old enough to remember, there was a

12:21 Speaker 1: time when you could burn CDs. Burning meaning copying again

12:25 Speaker 1: for you very young people who don't know what I'm

12:28 Speaker 1: talking about, When you take a CD and you copy it,

12:34 Speaker 1: that is, whether or not that's okay or ethical is

12:38 Speaker 1: a subject that's been of debate since I was a kid. Geez.

12:41 Speaker 1: When I was a kid, we would copy cassette tapes.

12:43 Speaker 1: You know, if you had a dual cassette deck, you know,

12:47 Speaker 1: you could you could put a cassette in one side,

12:50 Speaker 1: press play on the other side, press press record, And

12:53 Speaker 1: sometimes that's how I would get music from my friends

12:55 Speaker 1: and they would get music from me. We would we

12:56 Speaker 1: would trade that way, you know, just I'll copy that

12:59 Speaker 1: tape for you, I'll copy that cassette but you know,

13:03 Speaker 1: eventually it became all about burning CDs. Anyone who was

13:07 Speaker 1: in a band in say the nineties or two thousands

13:11 Speaker 1: up until I don't know, maybe ten years ago, maybe

13:19 Speaker 1: not quite, but there was a period of time where

13:22 Speaker 1: if you were in a band, you might be burning CDs.

13:24 Speaker 1: You might be burning CDs to give out to people.

13:28 Speaker 1: You might be burning CDs to give to radio stations.

13:32 Speaker 1: You know, every once in a while, someone will bring

13:34 Speaker 1: us to CD here, you know, when we have guests

13:36 Speaker 1: in studio, they'll bring a CD, a physical CD. But

13:38 Speaker 1: it's not to play on the air. Even though we

13:40 Speaker 1: do have a functioning CD player here, it's not to

13:43 Speaker 1: play on the air. That's all done digitally. We just

13:45 Speaker 1: everything's online. They email us the tracks ahead of time.

13:49 Speaker 1: But you know, but they'll still they'll still bring in

13:52 Speaker 1: a physical CD and all the packaging and everything if

13:54 Speaker 1: they're releasing it on CD, because it is cool to

13:56 Speaker 1: have the physical media. You know, if you're a nerd

13:58 Speaker 1: like me, you like reading inner notes and things like

14:01 Speaker 1: that and have the artwork. I'll tell you when I

14:05 Speaker 1: first started interviewing musicians, and I've been at this a

14:09 Speaker 1: long time, I'm dating myself but when I first started,

14:13 Speaker 1: it was not uncommon, not only for a musician to

14:18 Speaker 1: hand me a CD and not email the tracks ahead

14:22 Speaker 1: of time. That's how long I've been doing this, where

14:25 Speaker 1: even though the technology existed, rather than emailing me the tracks,

14:29 Speaker 1: a musician who is going to be a guest on

14:31 Speaker 1: a show that I was doing, might actually hand me

14:35 Speaker 1: a burned CD with just a burned CD with and

14:40 Speaker 1: they write on it in magic mark or what it is,

14:44 Speaker 1: and then hand it to me. And then it's not

14:46 Speaker 1: even in a case. This would happen all the time,

14:48 Speaker 1: wouldn't even be in a case, and they would hand

14:51 Speaker 1: it to me on their finger. They would put the

14:52 Speaker 1: CD to put their finger, their index finger through the

14:55 Speaker 1: hole in the CD. And that's how they would hand

14:57 Speaker 1: me the CD and say, this is for the radio

14:59 Speaker 1: show or this is for the podcast. Thank god, those

15:02 Speaker 1: days are gone. I have to be honest with you.

15:05 Speaker 1: It never left. Not that I was ever a jerk

15:08 Speaker 1: about it, but it never left the greatest impression on me.

15:13 Speaker 1: When a guest or a potential guest would hand me

15:16 Speaker 1: their music on their finger, they would put their the

15:20 Speaker 1: CD on their finger, their burned CD that they wrote

15:23 Speaker 1: on it, labeled it with magic marker, and then ah,

15:27 Speaker 1: here you go. That never left the most professional impression,

15:33 Speaker 1: but it would happen more than you might think. So

15:36 Speaker 1: I prefer it the way we have it now. Everything

15:39 Speaker 1: is done digitally. If you want to bring me a CD, great,

15:43 Speaker 1: And I love getting CDs from our guests with the

15:45 Speaker 1: artwork and everything in the full package. But I do

15:48 Speaker 1: not miss the days of burned CDs, many of us. Again,

15:53 Speaker 1: if you're old enough to remember, you might have had

15:55 Speaker 1: one of those CD booklets that you would drive around

15:58 Speaker 1: in your car with. Right you got the CD booklet,

16:01 Speaker 1: you're putting the CDs and the CD player, and a

16:04 Speaker 1: lot of them were burned CDs, and and some of

16:07 Speaker 1: them you might not even know what they are because

16:08 Speaker 1: the magic marker wore off on them, but a lot

16:10 Speaker 1: of them would be burned CDs. So but anyway, that's

16:14 Speaker 1: a thing of the past, right, even though CDs still exists,

16:16 Speaker 1: and they're still making CDs and artists are still releasing

16:18 Speaker 1: music on CDs, burned CDs are a thing of the past, right,

16:24 Speaker 1: I'm building to something here, and and and those debates

16:28 Speaker 1: about whether or not it's okay to burn a CD

16:31 Speaker 1: or is that a form of piracy? That's also a

16:34 Speaker 1: thing of the past, right, because no one's burning CDs anymore.

16:38 Speaker 2: Right?

16:39 Speaker 1: Okay, this is from Digitalmusicnews dot com, one of my

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17:35 Speaker 1: there anyway. Okay, So getting back to this, So Digitalmusicnews

17:39 Speaker 1: dot com has an article titled and this is the

17:41 Speaker 1: actual title. Yes, this is a twenty twenty six headline.

17:47 Speaker 1: Judge issues two year jail sentence for burning and selling CDs?

17:53 Speaker 1: Now who had that on their Bigo card in twenty

17:56 Speaker 1: twenty six. First of all, somebody acts in any time,

18:02 Speaker 1: in any year, in any era, somebody actually getting in

18:05 Speaker 1: trouble and actually facing some sort of legal consequence for

18:10 Speaker 1: burning the CD. Unheard of nobody whoever got caught doing that,

18:15 Speaker 1: whoever got in trouble for doing that?

18:17 Speaker 3: Right?

18:17 Speaker 1: I mean yeah, maybe some people, but very few. Right,

18:20 Speaker 1: You just don't expect it. Nobody expects to get caught

18:23 Speaker 1: or punished, even if you are caught right for that,

18:26 Speaker 1: for burning a CD. Come on, but actual legal jeopardy

18:32 Speaker 1: like a two year jail sentence for burning and selling

18:34 Speaker 1: CDs in the year twenty twenty six. All right, well

18:37 Speaker 1: let's see again. This is from Digital Musicnews dot com.

18:42 Speaker 1: A UK man. Oh, it's funny too. This happened in

18:44 Speaker 1: the UK. I didn't preread this. I didn't have time.

18:46 Speaker 1: This happened in the UK. And uh, you know we

18:49 Speaker 1: were talking earlier to the Surge members of the band

18:52 Speaker 1: The Surge, who are from the UK, and we were

18:54 Speaker 1: talking about CDs. So all right. A UK man has

18:57 Speaker 1: received a twenty six month prison sentence after pleading guilty

19:02 Speaker 1: to the unauthorized mixing and selling of CDs in violation

19:07 Speaker 1: of copyright law. Now, I don't know. Maybe they're strict

19:11 Speaker 1: about that in the UK. That would never happen in

19:14 Speaker 1: the United States. I don't think it would. Maybe it hasn't.

19:17 Speaker 1: I just don't know about it. But again, in any era,

19:20 Speaker 1: can you imagine somebody actually being sentenced to prison for

19:24 Speaker 1: twenty six months over burned CDs? It just wouldn't happen, right,

19:29 Speaker 1: I don't think it would. Am I wrong? All right?

19:32 Speaker 1: It says here. The article goes on, if you thought

19:36 Speaker 1: the headline was from two thousand and two, you'd be forgiven. Instead,

19:39 Speaker 1: it's twenty twenty six and a man in the UK

19:43 Speaker 1: has been sentenced after pleading guilty to the unauthorized mixing

19:48 Speaker 1: and selling of CDs in violation of copyright law. Forty

19:53 Speaker 1: seven year old Mark Kerns was issued a twenty six

19:58 Speaker 1: month prison sentence, which will be suspended for eighteen months.

20:03 Speaker 1: He must also carry out two hundred and fifty hours

20:05 Speaker 1: of unpaid community service work. Oh mute the mic for

20:12 Speaker 1: a second. Speaking of allergies, my nose is getting very itchy,

20:15 Speaker 1: all right, Well, at least so at least this sentence

20:19 Speaker 1: is suspended. I assume when we say suspended sentence, I

20:24 Speaker 1: know what that means in the United States. Not from

20:26 Speaker 1: personal experience, mind you. I've never been in any trouble,

20:28 Speaker 1: but I know what that means in the United States.

20:30 Speaker 1: If your sentence is suspended, you're not going to do

20:31 Speaker 1: any time. The only way you're going to do any

20:33 Speaker 1: time is if you violate parole, if you get into

20:35 Speaker 1: some other kind of trouble, then that sentence can become

20:38 Speaker 1: unsuspended pretty quickly. But so it sounds like he's not

20:41 Speaker 1: actually going to prison if it's a suspended sentence. I assume,

20:47 Speaker 1: Oh wait a minute, no, I misread that he was

20:50 Speaker 1: issued a twenty six month prison sentence which will be

20:53 Speaker 1: suspended for eighteen months. So the twenty six month sentence,

20:58 Speaker 1: but it's suspended for eight Now I'm a little bit confused.

21:02 Speaker 1: What does that mean? So is it suspended for eighteen

21:07 Speaker 1: and then when he gets to month nineteen he has

21:09 Speaker 1: to go to prison for a few I don't know

21:11 Speaker 1: what that means. I guess it doesn't matter. I'm getting

21:14 Speaker 1: bogged down in details that are not necessarily relevant to

21:18 Speaker 1: the heart of the story. Continuing on again, This is

21:22 Speaker 1: from Digital Music News dot com. Kerns pleaded guilty to

21:25 Speaker 1: a number of charges at Whole Crown Court and was

21:29 Speaker 1: sentenced on Thursday. The sentence follows a lengthy investigation that

21:33 Speaker 1: began in mid twenty nineteen after the British phonographic industry

21:38 Speaker 1: became aware of the offenses in twenty eighteen. A warrant

21:42 Speaker 1: was issued in September twenty twenty two. Again, maybe they're

21:47 Speaker 1: much more strict about that. I mean, the laws exist here,

21:51 Speaker 1: but actual enforcement maybe they're more strict about that in

21:54 Speaker 1: the UK. Can you imagine here in the United States

21:56 Speaker 1: police show up at your door they've got a warrant

21:59 Speaker 1: for your arrest. You've been burning CDs. I mean, it's unfathomable,

22:05 Speaker 1: is it not? So? A spokesperson for the Yorkshire Council said, quote,

22:12 Speaker 1: this activity enabled him to commercially exploit protected material, generating

22:16 Speaker 1: income at the expense of legitimate artists and businesses within

22:19 Speaker 1: the music industry. Unquote. Maybe I don't know, Maybe it's

22:26 Speaker 1: that he was selling them. If he had just been

22:29 Speaker 1: burning them, he probably would have been fine. But was

22:32 Speaker 1: he But how much could he have even been? Prop Like?

22:35 Speaker 1: What was he doing? Was he burning them and then

22:38 Speaker 1: just selling them. Like, where was he selling these? Again?

22:42 Speaker 1: It's the year twenty twenty six. Who's buying these? Who's

22:45 Speaker 1: even buying these from him? Who?

22:49 Speaker 3: Like?

22:49 Speaker 1: What is the market for this? So this guy's I

22:54 Speaker 1: get it. He's burning the CDs and then he's selling

22:57 Speaker 1: them to make money. Who is buying the burns from him?

23:01 Speaker 1: Is he selling them people on the street? Is he

23:04 Speaker 1: like the guy like you know, you'd see this, uh,

23:09 Speaker 1: like on seventies TV shows or something, you know, like

23:13 Speaker 1: like on seventies Buddy cop shows like Startskin and Hutchet

23:15 Speaker 1: or whatever. You know, you'd see the guy, the guy

23:17 Speaker 1: on the street who's selling stolen watches. You know, he

23:20 Speaker 1: opens his jacket and you see all these stolen watch

23:23 Speaker 1: It's almost comical, right, it is kind of comical. You

23:25 Speaker 1: see all these stolen watches on the inside of his jacket.

23:28 Speaker 1: He's trying to sell you a Rolex or something, or

23:30 Speaker 1: a counter or their counterfeit watches something like that, Right,

23:34 Speaker 1: Is that what this guy was doing with the CDs?

23:35 Speaker 1: Is he on the street and he's just like opening

23:37 Speaker 1: his jacket and saying, hey, do you want to buy

23:39 Speaker 1: a burned CD? Is that what this guy was doing,

23:45 Speaker 1: because because who's buying these from him? That's what I

23:48 Speaker 1: don't understand. I mean, if you're going to make money

23:50 Speaker 1: at something, be it a legal and legitimate or something illicit,

23:56 Speaker 1: like you know, illicit quote unquote like burned CDs, there

24:00 Speaker 1: has to be a market for that. Who is the

24:03 Speaker 1: market for this? The more I think about it, the

24:06 Speaker 1: more bizarre this gets. But according to the spokesperson for

24:12 Speaker 1: the Yorkshire Council, this guy was commercially exploiting protected material. Ugh,

24:20 Speaker 1: let's see. Cabinet member Lynn Healing said, quote counterfeit and

24:26 Speaker 1: unauthorized goods undermine fair trading and can generate significant illicit profit.

24:32 Speaker 1: We will not hesitate to take robust enforcement action where

24:36 Speaker 1: offenses are identified, and this sentence sends a clear message

24:39 Speaker 1: that such activity will not be tolerated unquote. I'm stuck

24:46 Speaker 1: on the phrase generate significant illicit profit by selling these

24:52 Speaker 1: to who? Who was buying That's what I want to know,

24:58 Speaker 1: And I have a feeling we're not going to learn

25:00 Speaker 1: the answer in this article. Who was buying these? Where

25:04 Speaker 1: was the profit coming from? Is there a website you

25:09 Speaker 1: can sell these on burnedcds dot com I'm sure it

25:15 Speaker 1: would cost more to mail it than what anyone would

25:17 Speaker 1: pay for a burned CD. Oh you want to? You know,

25:22 Speaker 1: if you want a copy of Elton John's greatest hits,

25:25 Speaker 1: it's gonna cost you ten bucks at the music store.

25:30 Speaker 1: I'll sell you a burned copy for fifty cents plus shipping.

25:39 Speaker 1: It doesn't sound like a sound business model. I don't

25:42 Speaker 1: know how this works, all right? Getting back to the article, Oh,

25:47 Speaker 1: here we go. Interestingly, sources failed to identify whether Kerns

25:52 Speaker 1: was selling CDs online via social media, from a physical

25:56 Speaker 1: product stall. I'm sorry, I have a physical market stall,

26:00 Speaker 1: or perhaps from the trunk of his car, old school style. However,

26:04 Speaker 1: his CD burning and selling business must have left a

26:07 Speaker 1: significant and traceable commercial footprint for the UK government to

26:11 Speaker 1: have gotten involved to such an extent. Yes, is that

26:16 Speaker 1: even possible? Says here. The fact that CDs are not

26:23 Speaker 1: an entirely abandoned physical medium probably further added in his

26:29 Speaker 1: getting caught. As the vinyl boom has been hit with

26:32 Speaker 1: production snags, the CD industry has remained smaller but still

26:36 Speaker 1: notably bustling since its initial popularity over forty years ago,

26:40 Speaker 1: particularly in the K pop and J pop scenes, CDs

26:44 Speaker 1: and cassettes remained popular among fans for their ability to

26:49 Speaker 1: include limited or unique alternative album covers and photos. To

26:53 Speaker 1: that end, artists like Taylor Swift have continued to find

26:56 Speaker 1: success with the medium alongside vinyl in the West, streaming

27:01 Speaker 1: having largely taken over physical alternative alternatives over the past

27:05 Speaker 1: two decades. That's the end of the article. I want

27:08 Speaker 1: to know how this guy was selling them and how

27:09 Speaker 1: he was possibly making money at this This seems so

27:13 Speaker 1: bizarre to me, but yeah, I mean, CDs have had

27:17 Speaker 1: a resurgence, Vinyl of course, never went away and continues

27:22 Speaker 1: to flourish. And even cassettes, you know, that came up

27:25 Speaker 1: too again during my interview with the Surge. I mean,

27:28 Speaker 1: it's hard to believe. I think it was probably about

27:31 Speaker 1: ten years ago. I've told the story on the show before.

27:32 Speaker 1: Forgive me if it's if you've heard it, but just

27:35 Speaker 1: very briefly, I've told the story. I think it was

27:37 Speaker 1: about probably ten years ago. I was on band camp

27:40 Speaker 1: dot com and again, you know, I'm a big fan

27:42 Speaker 1: of band camp dot com, and I was looking for

27:45 Speaker 1: local artists and I happened to find and I can't

27:48 Speaker 1: remember the name, but they were a band from Keen Keen,

27:53 Speaker 1: New Hampshire who was selling cassettes, and I thought, oh,

28:00 Speaker 1: I saw this, and I thought, what an interesting sort

28:03 Speaker 1: of novelty thing, cassettes. They're actually selling cassettes, very retro

28:08 Speaker 1: kind of cool. I guess I don't know how many

28:09 Speaker 1: they're actually selling, who knows. But then I started poking

28:13 Speaker 1: around and I realized that there were all these sort

28:16 Speaker 1: of indie pop artists on band camp who were selling cassettes. Cassettes.

28:22 Speaker 1: It made this weird comeback. I guess if you enjoy

28:26 Speaker 1: the sound of tape hiss and all the trouble it

28:30 Speaker 1: causes when your cassette gets caught up in the in

28:33 Speaker 1: the gears, you know what a pain. I don't miss cassettes.

28:37 Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, I have nice memories of when I

28:40 Speaker 1: was a kid recording songs off the radio on my cassette.

28:42 Speaker 3: Oh.

28:42 Speaker 1: I hope these prosecuters in the UK don't hear about that.

28:46 Speaker 1: They want to track me down, have me extradited, because

28:50 Speaker 1: I'm sure at some point I recorded artists from the

28:53 Speaker 1: from the UK on my little cassette player. But you know,

29:00 Speaker 1: but there were a lot of trouble I remember when

29:02 Speaker 1: I was a kid actually using scotch tape too. If

29:05 Speaker 1: a cassette that I really loved, if it broke, using

29:08 Speaker 1: scotch tape to actually tape it back together, and sometimes

29:10 Speaker 1: it would actually work out, and sometimes it would not.

29:14 Speaker 1: But yes, that is a headline. In the year twenty

29:16 Speaker 1: twenty six, judge issues two year jail sentence for burning

29:20 Speaker 1: and selling CDs. I do want to know more about

29:22 Speaker 1: this guy. I'm gonna keep an eye on this story

29:23 Speaker 1: going forward because I want to know how he was

29:27 Speaker 1: doing it, how it could have possibly have been profitable

29:30 Speaker 1: before him, and how they could have been a big

29:33 Speaker 1: enough deal that UK prosecutors actually said we need to

29:39 Speaker 1: put this man in prison. These are answers that I see. Okay,

29:47 Speaker 1: we have time. I want to get to another thing.

29:52 Speaker 1: This is okay. This is from Music Business Worldwide dot com,

29:56 Speaker 1: another great site for music industry news. But this involves

30:05 Speaker 1: this involves our politicians, and we don't do politics on

30:08 Speaker 1: this iteration of the show, not anymore. We keep that

30:11 Speaker 1: for the podcast. We only do music and interviews and

30:15 Speaker 1: music industry news and so forth on the radio version

30:17 Speaker 1: of the show here at WMNH. But we do have

30:20 Speaker 1: politicians who are making laws about the music industry and

30:24 Speaker 1: about AI and all this stuff. And we've talked about

30:30 Speaker 1: the No Fakes Act on the show, which is trying

30:32 Speaker 1: to fight the proliferation of deep fakes. And these are

30:37 Speaker 1: all things that are going to continue to be problems

30:42 Speaker 1: that our politicians try to solve. Now, if you're a

30:48 Speaker 1: long time listener of the show, you've heard me talk

30:49 Speaker 1: about how I always get nervous when people in the

30:53 Speaker 1: House and Senate start talking about making laws making regulation

31:00 Speaker 1: about technology, because they very often have no idea what

31:04 Speaker 1: they're talking about. And some of them the questions that

31:07 Speaker 1: they ask in these Senate hearings, some of these people

31:11 Speaker 1: I wouldn't trust to be a shift manager at a

31:13 Speaker 1: Burger King, let alone making decisions about technology and how

31:19 Speaker 1: technology is to be used or not used, and how

31:22 Speaker 1: it must be regulated going forward. I get very nervous.

31:26 Speaker 1: And the example that I always like to use is

31:27 Speaker 1: if you don't believe me, if you think of being hyperbolic,

31:30 Speaker 1: go on YouTube. Not right now, wait till after the show,

31:33 Speaker 1: but when you get a chance, go on YouTube. Just

31:34 Speaker 1: look up Senate hearing Mark Zuckerberg. When you can find

31:39 Speaker 1: a congressional hearing of congress critters asking questions of Mark Zuckerberg.

31:45 Speaker 1: He's he's testified before Congress on multiple occasions. I believe

31:50 Speaker 1: and listen to some of the questions that these octogenarian

31:53 Speaker 1: and septagenarian senators and congressmen ask in these hearings, and

31:59 Speaker 1: the conclude usion that you might come to very quickly

32:02 Speaker 1: is holy crap. I do not want these people making

32:07 Speaker 1: decisions about technology and making laws and regulations about technology

32:13 Speaker 1: because they don't know what they're talking about. They're deeply confused,

32:17 Speaker 1: and they have no business getting involved in any of this,

32:21 Speaker 1: no thank you. They can only make things worse, not better.

32:26 Speaker 1: And to be fair, some of them are well informed

32:28 Speaker 1: and ask good questions, but a lot of them are

32:30 Speaker 1: just you know, and they're not serious people anyway. They're

32:33 Speaker 1: not there to solve anything. They're there to get some

32:35 Speaker 1: camera time that they can then use in a campaign

32:37 Speaker 1: ad the next time they're running for reelection. Let's be honest, okay,

32:41 Speaker 1: but this is important. So again from Music Businessworldwide dot Com,

32:47 Speaker 1: no fakes Senate panelbacks bill that could cost platforms seven

32:53 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand dollars per AI. Deep fake all right,

32:58 Speaker 1: let's take a look at this. The US Senate Judiciary

33:01 Speaker 1: Committee has advanced the No Fakes Act, the bipartisan bill

33:06 Speaker 1: that would create a federal rite protecting Americans voice and

33:10 Speaker 1: visual likeness from AI generated deep fakes. And again, that's

33:15 Speaker 1: something that's come up a lot on the show too,

33:17 Speaker 1: just recently. In fact, just last week we were talking

33:19 Speaker 1: about Lionel Richie has moved to trademark his voice, his

33:24 Speaker 1: actual voice, and can you do that? Will that work?

33:29 Speaker 1: What about people who sound similar? Obviously, it's one thing

33:32 Speaker 1: to trademark your visual likeness. You own your likeness no

33:36 Speaker 1: matter who you are, whether you're famous, whether you're not famous,

33:38 Speaker 1: whether you create any kind of art, whether you are

33:41 Speaker 1: completely anonymous in the world. Nobody can just take your

33:43 Speaker 1: visual likeness, your image and do whatever they want with it.

33:46 Speaker 1: You own that. But what about your voice anyway? Nal

33:50 Speaker 1: Richie says, yes, you can trademark your voice, and others

33:53 Speaker 1: have said that too, and that might be where things go.

33:59 Speaker 1: But again, this is about the No Fakes Act again,

34:03 Speaker 1: the bipartisan bill that would create a federal right protecting

34:05 Speaker 1: Americans voice and visual likeness from AI generated deep fakes.

34:09 Speaker 1: The Committee passed the bill unanimously by voice vote on Thursday.

34:13 Speaker 1: Oh wow, so then you've got all these bipartisan this

34:16 Speaker 1: bipartisan support. Republicans and Democrats unanimously agree on something. What

34:21 Speaker 1: could go wrong might be a good thing. I don't

34:25 Speaker 1: mean to be so cynical. Might be a good thing.

34:27 Speaker 1: I didn't preread this. I'm trying to keep an open mind.

34:29 Speaker 1: Might be a good thing. Let's see. So they passed

34:33 Speaker 1: the bill unanimously by voice But this is not a

34:36 Speaker 1: vote in Congress. This is on a committee. The committee.

34:40 Speaker 1: The Senate Committee passed the bill unanimously by voice vote,

34:45 Speaker 1: according to Deadline, which noted that three Republican Senators Mike Lee,

34:49 Speaker 1: Ted Cruz, and Eric Schmidt, raised First Amendment concerns. Yes, ah,

34:57 Speaker 1: that pesky first amendment clearing the committee sends them by

35:03 Speaker 1: the way, I don't like, I don't like I don't

35:07 Speaker 1: know anything about Eric Schmidt. I don't like Mike Lee

35:09 Speaker 1: or Ted Cruz. But just because I don't like them

35:13 Speaker 1: doesn't mean that they're wrong about everything. I'm not saying

35:18 Speaker 1: I agree with their I'm not saying again, I'm keeping

35:21 Speaker 1: an open mind on this a deep fakes act. But somebody.

35:25 Speaker 1: There should always be at least one person in the

35:28 Speaker 1: room who says it, and by it, I mean what

35:31 Speaker 1: about the First Amendment. You should always have at least

35:34 Speaker 1: one person in every single room where a discussion like

35:36 Speaker 1: this is happening, who says that, I think, okay, it

35:41 Speaker 1: says here. Clearing the committee sends the bill toward a

35:43 Speaker 1: vote by the full Senate, after which it would still

35:46 Speaker 1: need to pass the thousand Representatives and be signed by

35:49 Speaker 1: the President before becoming law. The Nurture Originals, Foster Art,

35:56 Speaker 1: and Keep Entertainment Safe No Fakes Act would give every American,

36:02 Speaker 1: not only public figures, a federal right to authorize or

36:05 Speaker 1: block AI generated replicas of their voice and likeness. It

36:12 Speaker 1: carves out First Amendment uses such as news reporting and parity,

36:17 Speaker 1: and would establish a single national standard, a notice and

36:20 Speaker 1: takedown system for online services, and a counter notice process

36:26 Speaker 1: for material.

36:27 Speaker 2: Removed in error.

36:29 Speaker 1: Two things about that little paragraph that jump out at me,

36:34 Speaker 1: actually several things. Let's take the whole thing. It carves

36:39 Speaker 1: out First Amendment uses such as news reporting and parody.

36:41 Speaker 1: Parody must be protected, Parody and satire must be protected,

36:47 Speaker 1: so you don't want to accidentally make a law that

36:52 Speaker 1: infringes on that, and that gets people in trouble for

36:55 Speaker 1: engaging in parody and satire. That is critically important. Okay,

37:01 Speaker 1: next part of this and would establish a single national standard.

37:07 Speaker 1: A single national standard always concerns me. But maybe that's

37:17 Speaker 1: better than having a patchwork of state laws. Maybe maybe not.

37:22 Speaker 1: I don't know. I'm keeping an open mind. I'm not sure. Okay.

37:27 Speaker 1: A noticing takedown system for online services and a counternotice

37:30 Speaker 1: process for material removed in error. That's something I always

37:37 Speaker 1: worry about, people getting caught in the net who shouldn't be.

37:44 Speaker 1: It's happened to me with YouTube. I've gotten caught in

37:46 Speaker 1: the net on things where I've had videos taken down

37:50 Speaker 1: that shouldn't have been. I always appeal it. Sometimes I win,

37:54 Speaker 1: sometimes I lose. All right, but all of this is

38:01 Speaker 1: it makes me nervous. I'm not saying any of this

38:03 Speaker 1: is bad. I'm not saying that these are bad, that

38:06 Speaker 1: this is a bad idea. I'm just saying I don't

38:10 Speaker 1: trust this is I don't trust the government to get

38:15 Speaker 1: this right, and neither should you. It says here penalties

38:21 Speaker 1: under the bill are tiered five thousand dollars per work

38:24 Speaker 1: for an individual, twenty five thousand dollars per work for

38:27 Speaker 1: a company that creates or distributes a replica end up

38:30 Speaker 1: to seven hundred and fifty thousand dollars per work for

38:32 Speaker 1: an online service that fails to comply. Okay, let's stop

38:37 Speaker 1: there for a moment. Now, we're really getting into some

38:40 Speaker 1: trouble we have talked about on the show before. You

38:47 Speaker 1: know this notion that people have tried to make laws,

38:53 Speaker 1: people whom I tend to agree with politically but disagree

38:56 Speaker 1: with on this subject. They have tried to make laws

39:00 Speaker 1: saying that social media sites have to be fully responsible

39:05 Speaker 1: for what their users post, meaning if somebody, for example,

39:10 Speaker 1: if somebody posts something, if a lot like this were

39:13 Speaker 1: to actually go into effect, like what some people have

39:16 Speaker 1: tried to pass, if somebody posts something on social media

39:21 Speaker 1: on say, somebody posts something on Facebook and there's something

39:23 Speaker 1: illegal about the post, like maybe they're violently threatening somebody,

39:27 Speaker 1: which is illegal. That's criminal threatening. You can't do that

39:31 Speaker 1: and Facebook doesn't catch it. Facebook does police that stuff,

39:34 Speaker 1: or you know, you can report posts like that. But

39:36 Speaker 1: what if somebody posts something like that, Facebook doesn't catch

39:39 Speaker 1: it right away, and then they're they're getting fined by

39:43 Speaker 1: the government for allowing this post to be on their

39:47 Speaker 1: platform or YouTube. Somebody posts a video on YouTube that

39:54 Speaker 1: there's some sort of illegal activity going on in the

39:56 Speaker 1: video and it doesn't get flagged and removed right away,

40:00 Speaker 1: then these social media platforms would be held liable for

40:04 Speaker 1: what goes on their platforms, for everything that goes on

40:07 Speaker 1: their platforms, for everything their users do on their platforms,

40:11 Speaker 1: they would be liable or oh or a great example.

40:18 Speaker 1: You know, there was a Supreme Court decision about this

40:22 Speaker 1: and this was one of the Again I'm not a

40:25 Speaker 1: fan of the current Supreme Court as it is currently

40:28 Speaker 1: made up, but they got this one right. But it

40:33 Speaker 1: was about should Internet service providers be held responsible for

40:40 Speaker 1: everything that their users do using that service? So if

40:42 Speaker 1: someone does something illegal, say somebody has Exfinity for their

40:47 Speaker 1: Internet service and they do something illegal, should Exfinity be

40:51 Speaker 1: held liable for that? Now, the answer to all of

40:54 Speaker 1: these questions is no, you can't hold internet service providers

40:57 Speaker 1: responsible for everything their users do. You do you want

41:00 Speaker 1: internet service providers to go out of business because they're

41:03 Speaker 1: getting fined by the government every day over things that

41:06 Speaker 1: their users do that they can't possibly that the service

41:08 Speaker 1: prider can't possibly control. Do you want to effectively end

41:12 Speaker 1: social media? Some people would like to do you want

41:14 Speaker 1: to effectively end social media as we know it? Because

41:17 Speaker 1: all these social media companies are now held responsible for

41:21 Speaker 1: every little thing that everyone on those services, everything that

41:24 Speaker 1: they do, you can't do it. These companies do police

41:32 Speaker 1: their content. I have had many things over the years

41:37 Speaker 1: removed from Facebook because I allegedly broke some rule or something.

41:41 Speaker 1: Most of the time they don't even tell you what

41:43 Speaker 1: the rule was that you broke or what the post

41:46 Speaker 1: was reported for. I've had things again. I mentioned YouTube.

41:49 Speaker 1: I've had my problem with anybody who's a content creator

41:53 Speaker 1: has I had problems with YouTube. But this idea that

42:04 Speaker 1: now if you put a deep fake, if you make

42:10 Speaker 1: a deep fake, that violates the Deep Fakes Act or

42:14 Speaker 1: the No Fakes Act. I'm sorry, you know, if you

42:19 Speaker 1: put that, if you distribute that using an online service,

42:24 Speaker 1: and that online service fails to act, fails to see it,

42:28 Speaker 1: flag it, remove it, whatever they're gonna do, they could

42:31 Speaker 1: be fined three quarters of a million dollars by the government.

42:37 Speaker 1: I don't think that's a good idea because what's going

42:41 Speaker 1: to happen is this. If that's the law, and every

42:48 Speaker 1: time you put a video on YouTube and there's something

42:52 Speaker 1: in it, there's some AI generated content in that video,

42:57 Speaker 1: and YouTube is staring down the barrel of a potential

43:00 Speaker 1: three quarter of a million dollar fine because you put

43:03 Speaker 1: something on their platform that violates this new law. Imagine

43:10 Speaker 1: how much stuff is going to be getting taken down

43:13 Speaker 1: from YouTube on a daily basis because there's even the

43:17 Speaker 1: slightest possibility that YouTube is going to pay a heavy

43:21 Speaker 1: fine for allowing anything that even comes close to violating

43:26 Speaker 1: this law and the parameters set within it. So that's

43:31 Speaker 1: not workable. It's the kind of thing where you've got

43:34 Speaker 1: to hold individuals accountable, not the platforms. And all you

43:39 Speaker 1: can do is encourage the platforms to hold individuals accountable.

43:43 Speaker 1: But it has to be the platforms doing it. If

43:46 Speaker 1: it's the government doing it, then you're going to destroy

43:52 Speaker 1: these platforms in the process. Now, all that's assuming that

43:57 Speaker 1: any of this actually ends up being enforced in the end,

43:59 Speaker 1: which you may not. They may not. Okay, getting back

44:02 Speaker 1: to the article again. This is from Music Business Worldwide

44:06 Speaker 1: dot com in a statement issued on Thursday. RIAA chairman

44:10 Speaker 1: and CEO Mitch Glazier applauded the steadfast leadership of the

44:15 Speaker 1: bill's lead sponsors Senators Marsha Blackburn, Republican of Tennessee, Chris Coons,

44:20 Speaker 1: Democrat of Delaware, Tom Tillis, Republican of North Carolina, and

44:24 Speaker 1: Amy Klovichar, Democrat of Minnesota, and Representatives Maria Elvira Salazar,

44:29 Speaker 1: Republican of Florida, Madeleine Dean Democratic Pennsylvania, Nathaniel Morin, Republican

44:35 Speaker 1: of Texas, Becca Blint, Democrat of Vermont, and Laurel Lee,

44:40 Speaker 1: Republican of Florida. Glazier said, quote, we are encouraged by

44:44 Speaker 1: today's passage in the Senate Judiciary Committee and look forward

44:48 Speaker 1: to the bill's passage into law later this year. Unquote.

44:51 Speaker 1: He's president of the RIAA. That's the organization that certifies.

44:56 Speaker 1: One of the things that they do is they certify albums.

44:58 Speaker 1: So if an album sells a million copies, it's a

45:01 Speaker 1: platinum record, they certify that. That's who certifies that officially,

45:05 Speaker 1: is the RIAA. If an album sells half a million copies,

45:08 Speaker 1: it's certified gold. They do that. That's one of the

45:12 Speaker 1: things that they do. I would suggest to Mitch Glazier

45:21 Speaker 1: think about how think about how this might impact the

45:25 Speaker 1: music industry in a negative way. Again, if you begin

45:29 Speaker 1: to scare the holy hell out of all of these

45:33 Speaker 1: platforms because now they think the government is going to

45:37 Speaker 1: be coming after them with these very large findes. The

45:43 Speaker 1: effect of that might be that everything becomes so safe

45:47 Speaker 1: and sanitized that some artists are not being promoted or

45:51 Speaker 1: able to promote themselves in the way that they once were.

45:55 Speaker 1: There could be a knock on effect here that could

45:57 Speaker 1: be very bad for the music industry, the chilling effect

45:59 Speaker 1: that it's going to come from this, um Glazier said more.

46:07 Speaker 1: He said, quote an extraordinary cross sector coalition including the

46:11 Speaker 1: creative community, child safety groups, free market groups, labor unions,

46:15 Speaker 1: free speech advocates, and AI developers have come together to

46:18 Speaker 1: support these protections for Americans voice and likeness from exploitive

46:22 Speaker 1: digital deep fakes. And consumers agree ninety two percent worry

46:25 Speaker 1: about the impact of AI deep fakes on authenticity, society,

46:28 Speaker 1: and culture. The No Fakes Act answers the call unquote.

46:32 Speaker 1: By the way, just to be clear, it count me

46:34 Speaker 1: in on that ninety two percent. I'm worried about all

46:36 Speaker 1: this too. I don't want you to think that. I'm not.

46:40 Speaker 1: I'm just worried about these platforms getting fined out of

46:45 Speaker 1: existence by the government every time somebody posts a deep fake.

46:50 Speaker 1: I'm worried about that. I'm worried about you know, somebody

46:59 Speaker 1: who who it makes a music video using AI and

47:07 Speaker 1: they post it on YouTube, and then YouTube gets hit

47:12 Speaker 1: with their first three quarters of a million dollar fine

47:15 Speaker 1: from the government because maybe one of the actors in

47:21 Speaker 1: the music video looks like somebody famous. Oh, it's a

47:24 Speaker 1: deep fake now, and then YouTube starts, you know, closing

47:32 Speaker 1: all these accounts on YouTube because they're going to get

47:35 Speaker 1: very scared about taking any chances. They don't want to

47:38 Speaker 1: fight over this in court. Let's see the article says

47:43 Speaker 1: here it is a third attempt to pass the bill.

47:46 Speaker 1: A version introduced in July twenty twenty four ran out

47:49 Speaker 1: of time before that Congress ended, and in April twenty

47:52 Speaker 1: twenty five reintroduction failed to advance out of committee. A

47:56 Speaker 1: bipartisan group reintroduced the latest version, S four five nine

47:59 Speaker 1: to one the Senate and HR eight nine one five

48:02 Speaker 1: in the House on May twentieth. The bill has drawn

48:05 Speaker 1: support from Universal Music Groups, ONNY Music and Warner Music

48:08 Speaker 1: Group alongside Spotify, Google, Open, AI, IBM, and YouTube, as

48:12 Speaker 1: previously reported by MBW. Now, why would these groups or

48:25 Speaker 1: these companies, why would they support something that potentially could

48:30 Speaker 1: end up costing them a lot of money in fines?

48:33 Speaker 1: Why would they support that? I'll tell you why. What

48:39 Speaker 1: do they all have in common? Is there anybody in

48:42 Speaker 1: that list of people who you've never heard of? I mean,

48:46 Speaker 1: I think most people have heard of Universal Music Groups

48:48 Speaker 1: Onny Music Group and Warner Music Group. Right, you've certainly

48:50 Speaker 1: heard of Spotify, Google, Open, AI, IBM, and YouTube. There's

48:54 Speaker 1: nobody who hasn't heard of those, right, those are the

48:57 Speaker 1: big guys. If there's a possibility that a law like

49:01 Speaker 1: this could start to wipe out the smaller guys, the

49:05 Speaker 1: upstart services, you know, the the whatever, some video platform

49:12 Speaker 1: that wants to compete with YouTube, Huh, maybe this no

49:18 Speaker 1: Fakes Act, with its extraordinarily large finds, maybe it can

49:22 Speaker 1: be used to wipe out some of the competition. I

49:25 Speaker 1: can't think of any other reason why they would support this, because, again,

49:28 Speaker 1: it has the potential to cost everybody a lot of money.

49:31 Speaker 1: But but if you can get away with what you're

49:36 Speaker 1: doing because you're big enough, too big to fail. You're

49:38 Speaker 1: big enough to get away with what you're doing, but

49:40 Speaker 1: somebody smaller can't weather the storm that's going to come

49:45 Speaker 1: with this law if the government enforces it and levies

49:48 Speaker 1: the's fines those smaller companies, like who's a competitor to

49:52 Speaker 1: YouTube daily Motion? Maybe people are putting deep fake videos

49:56 Speaker 1: on daily Motion. Daily Motion gets fined out of existence.

49:59 Speaker 1: That's a victor for YouTube, right a little more here.

50:04 Speaker 1: The federal bill follows Tennessee's Elvis Act, the first US

50:08 Speaker 1: state law to treat a person's voice as a protected right,

50:11 Speaker 1: which took effect in twenty twenty four. A federal digital

50:14 Speaker 1: replica framework is also among the recommendations in the White

50:17 Speaker 1: House's National Policy Framework for Artificial Intelligence, which the administration

50:22 Speaker 1: released in March. The framework says Congress should consider establishing

50:26 Speaker 1: a federal framework protecting individuals from the unauthorized distribution or

50:30 Speaker 1: commercial use of AI generated digital replicas of their voice, likeness,

50:33 Speaker 1: or other identifiable attributes, while providing exceptions for parity, satire,

50:38 Speaker 1: and news reporting part of the problem too. And I

50:42 Speaker 1: didn't mention this earlier, and I should have when we

50:43 Speaker 1: were talking briefly about parity and satire these things can

50:50 Speaker 1: be subjective. What one person thinks is parody or satire

50:55 Speaker 1: another person might think is hate speech. And hate speech

51:01 Speaker 1: is never protected. I mean, in theory, it's you could

51:04 Speaker 1: argue it even hate speech is protected by the First Amendment.

51:07 Speaker 1: But I don't know that that part's gonna get tricky.

51:14 Speaker 1: That part always gets tricky. Uh. Not every stakeholder backs

51:19 Speaker 1: the bill, the Electronic Frontier Foundation. Now see see who's

51:24 Speaker 1: heard of the Electronic Frontier Foundation?

51:27 Speaker 3: Have you?

51:28 Speaker 1: I haven't. This is a smaller entity, but they oppose

51:33 Speaker 1: the bill. Why probably because they know they're gonna The

51:36 Speaker 1: big guys are a lot less likely to get wiped out.

51:39 Speaker 1: But somebody we've never heard of, they could be in

51:41 Speaker 1: danger from this. It says the Electronic Frontier Foundation has

51:46 Speaker 1: urged Congress to reject it, warning it could become a

51:49 Speaker 1: tool for online censorship that sweeps up parody, news and criticism.

51:55 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, it's coming. The companion Bill HR eight nine

52:00 Speaker 1: one five was referred to the House Judiciary Committee after

52:03 Speaker 1: its introduction and has not yet had a markup. So

52:07 Speaker 1: there you go. That's it for that. I think that's

52:11 Speaker 1: about it for us. Do we have time to get

52:14 Speaker 1: one more thing in. I had a few different news

52:17 Speaker 1: stories here. Oh this is well, we got a couple

52:24 Speaker 1: things here. I can't sneak one more thing in. Well

52:29 Speaker 1: this might be this might be some competition for YouTube.

52:34 Speaker 1: We won't read the whole article, but Spotify now the headline.

52:41 Speaker 1: This is from Music Business Worldwide dot com. Spotify opens

52:43 Speaker 1: direct uploads for music videos and live performances in beta.

52:47 Speaker 1: So Spotify is opening up to video basically, so now

52:51 Speaker 1: not only will Spotify of audio, but Spotify will have

52:54 Speaker 1: music videos on it and live performances. That could be

52:58 Speaker 1: a real threat to YouTube, because I mean, some people

53:01 Speaker 1: all they use YouTube for is for music videos. It's

53:04 Speaker 1: interesting too with music videos. If you talk to someone

53:06 Speaker 1: who doesn't know anything about the current music business and

53:10 Speaker 1: how it all works, a lot of people will tell you.

53:14 Speaker 1: I hear people my age and younger say this, and

53:17 Speaker 1: it's hard to even explain it to them. They'll say

53:20 Speaker 1: things like, oh, I miss MTV. Now music videos don't

53:24 Speaker 1: even exist. I wish there were still music videos. I

53:27 Speaker 1: used to love music videos, And whenever someone says that

53:30 Speaker 1: to me, I just want to grab them by the

53:33 Speaker 1: shoulders and say and shake them a little bit and

53:37 Speaker 1: say have you never heard of YouTube. Look, there are

53:41 Speaker 1: more music videos than ever. For anyone who doesn't know this,

53:44 Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make fun of you, but anybody

53:46 Speaker 1: who watch it, because I hear it all the time.

53:48 Speaker 1: It's not like something I hear once in a while.

53:50 Speaker 1: I hear all the time. I see people posting about

53:52 Speaker 1: it on social media. I mean, it's kind of a

53:53 Speaker 1: boomer thing to say, but even Gen xers will say this,

53:57 Speaker 1: Oh I miss music videos. There's no music video anymore. Guys,

54:01 Speaker 1: there's more music videos than ever. Everyone makes music videos now,

54:05 Speaker 1: and if you're a major artist, who can afford it

54:08 Speaker 1: some of the some some major label artists. Beyonce has

54:11 Speaker 1: done it, Metallica has done it. Other bands have done it.

54:14 Speaker 1: When they put out a new album or an EP,

54:16 Speaker 1: they'll release a music video for every single track. Everybody's

54:22 Speaker 1: making videos now. There are more music videos than there

54:24 Speaker 1: have ever been. I'm sorry you miss MTV and is

54:28 Speaker 1: VH one still a rounder? Did that go away too?

54:30 Speaker 1: I'm sorry you miss your video channel, but you can

54:33 Speaker 1: go on YouTube and see all kinds of music videos.

54:38 Speaker 1: You have more access to music videos than you ever

54:41 Speaker 1: have at any point in history. It's just a little

54:45 Speaker 1: bit of a pet peeve I have when I heard, oh,

54:46 Speaker 1: there's no more more music videos. There's more music videos

54:49 Speaker 1: than ever. And if you long for, if you're pining

54:54 Speaker 1: for the music videos of your youth, when you used

54:56 Speaker 1: to sit and watch MTV.

54:58 Speaker 3: I get it.

54:59 Speaker 1: I get I grew up in that era. But guess

55:04 Speaker 1: what think of a video you saw when you were

55:06 Speaker 1: a kid that you watched on MTV. I guarantee you

55:09 Speaker 1: it's on YouTube. You can watch it right now, or

55:12 Speaker 1: better yet, explore some new music because there's lots of

55:16 Speaker 1: music videos. If you want music videos, there's lots and

55:18 Speaker 1: lots and lots and lots and lots of music videos.

55:21 Speaker 1: So please, just everybody stop with the uh oh MTV

55:25 Speaker 1: is dead and there's no more videos. Yeah there are. Sorry,

55:29 Speaker 1: how's a pet peeve of mine. I got a little

55:31 Speaker 1: snarky about that. I don't mind when boomers say it,

55:35 Speaker 1: but when people my age say it, when Gen xer

55:37 Speaker 1: say it, it's like you make us all sound old

55:42 Speaker 1: because you're saying something that's not true. There are more.

55:47 Speaker 1: I'm sorry you miss MTV, but please, you're dragging our

55:51 Speaker 1: entire generation down when you say stupid things that are

55:56 Speaker 1: objectively false and easily disprovable. You know, to stop it,

56:06 Speaker 1: all right, We're just about out of time. I do

56:10 Speaker 1: want to get at least one more song into end

56:12 Speaker 1: today's show, but I do want to thank everybody first

56:15 Speaker 1: who joined us today. Of course, in the first hour

56:17 Speaker 1: we had the surge. In the second hour we had

56:20 Speaker 1: low Sunday both great bands. Really enjoyed talking with everybody.

56:24 Speaker 1: Our number three guests did not work out due to

56:27 Speaker 1: a miscommunication. We'll see if we can reschedule them. It's bummer.

56:32 Speaker 1: I was really looking forward to talking with the members

56:34 Speaker 1: of Beaker, but that did not work out. But that

56:37 Speaker 1: happens sometimes. It's okay.

56:38 Speaker 3: Though.

56:38 Speaker 1: We had plenty of music industry news to talk about,

56:40 Speaker 1: as we always do. There is always so much going on.

56:44 Speaker 1: If you missed any part of today's show, it will

56:46 Speaker 1: be up in just a little bit, of course. It

56:48 Speaker 1: goes up on Wmnhradio dot org. You can also find

56:52 Speaker 1: it on my website, Matt connorton dot com. You can

56:55 Speaker 1: find it at Matt Connerton Unleashed dot com. It's on YouTube,

56:59 Speaker 1: it's on facebooo, it's even on LinkedIn. We put it everywhere,

57:03 Speaker 1: and please, of course, subscribe to the podcast. You know

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57:14 Speaker 1: it's on YouTube that you enjoyed the show, please like

57:17 Speaker 1: and subscribe. There's the one little extra step there. I'm

57:19 Speaker 1: sure you don't mind, but thank you everyone who supports

57:21 Speaker 1: the show. Oh one other thing, people speaking to people

57:24 Speaker 1: supporting the show. I did see some people in the

57:26 Speaker 1: chat room that I want to make sure that we

57:28 Speaker 1: acknowledge who I am. And Thras in the chat room

57:32 Speaker 1: says yay, good morning Hello. We've had them on the

57:35 Speaker 1: show many times. Of course, I also saw Larry from

57:39 Speaker 1: Loud Entertainment was in there earlier. Who else did I see?

57:42 Speaker 1: Be Pinard says good morning everyone, Hello to our friend

57:47 Speaker 1: b Pinard. Let's see. I thought I saw somebody else

57:52 Speaker 1: in there too that I wanted to mention. Isaac Banks

57:54 Speaker 1: in the chat room. Oh, Awaiting Abigail our friends Awaiting

57:57 Speaker 1: Abigail a great band from Texas. We have featured on

57:59 Speaker 1: the show so many times and I got to go

58:01 Speaker 1: see them live during the winter. Great band love Awaiting Abigail.

58:05 Speaker 1: Eric Gagnan EASYG is in the chatroom as well. Hello, Eric,

58:09 Speaker 1: and I just want to make sure we don't miss

58:11 Speaker 1: anybody in there. I kind of feel like you might

58:14 Speaker 1: remember Romper Room, the show Romper Room, the kids show.

58:18 Speaker 1: At the end of every episode, she would look into

58:19 Speaker 1: the magic mirror and she would say hello to everybody,

58:22 Speaker 1: and she would just list off a random, you know,

58:24 Speaker 1: random batch of names. But when she said when whenever

58:27 Speaker 1: she said I see Matthew, I would get very excited.

58:29 Speaker 1: I was like asking my mom, how can she see me?

58:32 Speaker 1: Of course I knew better, but did I really Maybe

58:35 Speaker 1: I was just a dumb kid. I don't know. I

58:37 Speaker 1: do want to end with one more track from Low

58:39 Speaker 1: Sunday from their EP, The Black EP. I have become

58:42 Speaker 1: an instant fan of these guys. They are so so good.

58:46 Speaker 1: What did we play already? We played This is not

58:48 Speaker 1: having your so Wired and shattered? Let's play I think

58:52 Speaker 1: we should play someone to Talk To. I really love

58:54 Speaker 1: these guys. They have such a cool sound. Call it shoegaze,

58:57 Speaker 1: call it dark wave, call it whatever you want, but

59:00 Speaker 1: their music is almost hypnotic, speaking of which you can

59:03 Speaker 1: book a hypnotherapy session with me. Go to mattconnorton dot com.

59:06 Speaker 1: You can book that right. Online consultation is always free.

59:09 Speaker 1: We will end the show with this again, thank you

59:11 Speaker 1: so much everybody for joining us. And here it is.

59:14 Speaker 1: This is someone to talk to from Low Sunday to

59:17 Speaker 1: close out this week's Matt Connorton on Leash. I'll talk

59:20 Speaker 1: to y'all a little bit later Bye, everybody.