Matt Connarton Unleashed 6-5-23

0:41 Hello, everybody, Welcome. Here we go Happy Monday. It is Matt

0:45 Connerton Unleashed and we are live from the studios of w m n H five

0:51 point three FM in glorious downtown Manchester, New Hampshire. Also on Comcast ninety

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1:04 infol show archives, etcetera, etcetera. Today is a Monday, May five,

1:10 two thousand to twenty three, and I'm not alone face Jenny is here

1:25 at the news desk. I am present, Yes, yes, and it's

1:27 glorious Monday. After yeah, it looked like, h you know, we

1:32 got here. I thought we were getting here just in time to beat the

1:34 rain because it looks like the clouds got very dark outside. I can't stop

1:40 the brain. It looked like it was gonna open up and pour, and

1:42 then it it hasn't happened, and now it looks like it's clearing up.

1:45 When I came in on Friday, I was like As I was leaving the

1:49 house, I was like, oh, I hope I get there before it

1:52 starts pouring, because it really looked like like Friday, it got really dark

1:55 out there, Yes it did, and I can go in the pool and

1:57 uh yeah, And for the next several hours, it continued to look very

2:04 dark out there, like it was like the skies, we're just gonna you

2:07 know, I got here, I'm like, okay, cool, was gonna

2:08 come out of the clouds. It well, it just looked like it looked

2:10 the skies looked very threatening, and uh, you know, yes, I

2:16 was very upset, and uh, you know, Friday is my long day

2:20 here because I do this show and I also do Retrospectrum radio with police later

2:23 in the evening. So so I'm here and and uh like from from the

2:30 moment I got here until it got dark outside and you know, dark as

2:34 like really dark as nighttime came in. I thought, any minute now,

2:38 it's gonna open up and start pouring, and it just never happened. Let

2:42 me know what this means, don't you know all of our people out there

2:45 who liked the garden are gonna have to go out and water your gardens now

2:47 because the raining. Yes, that's right, you're gonna have to water your

2:53 garden. Yeah, I can, I give me food. That's rights.

3:00 Well. Welcome everybody on this Monday afternoon. If you'd like to join us

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3:23 Facebook live chat and we will say hello everybody in there in just a moment.

3:28 But if you we would love to hear and enjoy your dulcet tones,

3:31 if you could give us a call at six zo three two five zero six

3:36 zo seven six three two five six seven. Speaking of dulcet tones. Uh,

3:42 Saturday night, we went and saw Yeah at the Rex Theater stand up

3:46 audio. Two of the guys from the band we're here with us on Thursday.

3:51 It was Thursday, right, it was Wednesday, Wednesday. I can't

3:54 keep it all straight, but but they were here and two of the guys

4:00 were here and UH promoting the show and Jenny and I, you know,

4:04 they invited us to be their guests Saturday night at the Rex Theater, and

4:09 wow, it was really really good. That was awesome, absolutely awesome.

4:15 They put on such a good show, like they're they're total showmen. The

4:19 show is so endorable, enjoyable. The way they interact with each other on

4:24 stage is awesome. I love that. I love some of the GOOFBALLI in

4:28 us a little bit it. Oh my god, Joe is the most incredible

4:30 guitarist. Oh yeah, very they're they're all amazingly talented. The way they

4:35 played together, they've been together for you'd think they've been together since they were

4:40 born. Actually, they really are amazing. Yeah, and uh, who

4:45 was it? Was it you who made the observation or was it Brooklyn Mike

4:46 because Brooklyn Mike was there, Uh, and his wife. One of you

4:51 made the observation that Ben Cooper's vocals live are are even better than what you

4:58 hear Actually at the I said that first and hundred percent right, yeah,

5:02 hundred percent. I mean, I mean Ben sounds great of course on the

5:05 studio tracks, but hearing him live, he sees really incredible. Powerful.

5:10 Yeah, he is powerful, He's got great great Oh my god, all

5:15 of them just really. I mean we heard them here and live. You

5:17 know, they were in studio and I heard the recordings and I like what

5:19 they sound like and everything, but seeing them live, yeah, I like

5:23 them way more, way more. Just they put on such an amazing show.

5:28 If you get a chance to go see Stand up Audio, trust me,

5:31 do yourself a favor. Go, you know, maybe have it.

5:34 If you want to have a girls' night, you want to have a date

5:36 night, you just want to go out and enjoy some good music for yourself.

5:39 Check out where they're playing, because you will not go wrong. They

5:43 put on such a good show. It was over and I'm like, wait

5:46 a minute, wait, is that's it? It went because it went by,

5:48 so I was like I want more. Yeah, but yeah, it

5:53 really it really was that great. I really enjoyed getting to go and thank

5:56 you guys again for inviting Matt night ago. It was a wonderful evening and

6:00 actually the first time I'd ever been in the Rex and I loved it.

6:03 Yeah. It's a nice place, it really is. The staff is super

6:08 nice. They have these great like sippy cups that you can have like your

6:11 gingerill or whatever ed and um, the seats are actually super comfy. Yeah,

6:17 yep, we had a We had a wonderful time and it was you

6:20 know, no opening act. It was just them an evening with stand up

6:25 audio and it was almost full. You know. It was a pretty good,

6:28 pretty good crowd there. Yeah, there was Brooklyn. Mike was saying

6:31 that he had seen Joan Osborne and for the for anyone who doesn't remember Joan

6:34 Osborne, or if you're just uh you young UN's uh Joan Osborne. She

6:40 had a big hit in the that that would have been in the nineties,

6:42 right, which which wasn't one of us? What if God was one?

6:46 That was that was before two thousand, right, that's kind of how I

6:48 think of music, and it was in the nineties. Yeah, I think

6:51 it was in the nineties. You're right, Yeah, that's what if God

6:55 was one of us? Um. By the way, if you ever get

6:59 a chance, you've for Prince's version, right, that song Prince's version is

7:02 I never really liked I mean her, I thought her version was okay,

7:05 but it's fine. I mean, she's a good singer. He must have

7:11 because he doesn't cover other people's songs. This is true. No, he's

7:14 done. He's played other people's songs as Yeah, it was. It was

7:17 an occasional thing. He liked to show other people up. Well yeah,

7:21 of course, but yeah, Prince's version of that song is incredible. But

7:27 but anyway, Brooklyn Mike was saying he had seen he and his wife had

7:30 seen Joan Osborne there and it was like the crowd, I mean, she's

7:32 a national act, she's legit famous, and the crowd was much smaller than

7:36 what Stand Up Audio had. So Stand Up Audio had a really uh you

7:41 know, like I said, it was almost a full house. There were

7:43 people down front and in the balcony and dancing in the aisles and dancing behind

7:46 us. It was a really great time. Yeah, it seemed like everybody

7:49 just had an awesome time. I could have sworn. Online it said the

7:54 capacity at that venue was only three hundred, but it seemed like more than

7:58 that to me. I'm not sure. I think the upstairs is it Like

8:01 if I had upstairs, if I had to guess, and I do have

8:07 experience in concert promotion, if I had to guess looking at that room,

8:09 I would guess five hundred. But but I think online it says it's only

8:13 three hundred. It may be it may just look bigger than it is inside

8:16 there. I don't know, but well the capacity is one thing, but

8:20 the number of seating is another. Yeah, yeah, I don't know,

8:26 but I don't know. It was definitely worth going, Yeah, absolutely,

8:28 and I would go back there and watch another show and I'd definitely go see

8:33 stand up audio again. And it was great to see Brooklyn Mike. That

8:37 was totally and he said he might come in if he gets a chance.

8:39 Maybe. Yeah, his works might be getting a Monday. His work schedule

8:43 is changing, so we might actually because he's never appeared on this show.

8:46 He's been on the Morning show several times. In fact, recently he was

8:50 on the Morning Show with Peter White weekdays from seven to nine am here.

8:56 But he was on the Morning Show and he played live and just incredible.

9:00 Yeah, very very talented gentlemen. So it would be great. Yeah,

9:03 his his work schedule is finally changing and we might actually have a chance to

9:07 get him in here on a Monday, which would which would be great.

9:11 So um yeah, so very cool. So it was a very nice evening.

9:18 I will let's see, we'll say hello everybody in the Facebook live chat

9:20 and then we'll get into some stuff. When I saw a new name in

9:26 there too, jess A Stevens. I think it was it already scrolled by

9:28 me, but somebody knew in the chat room. Let's see, Jenny,

9:33 I see you're in there. I'm everywhere. Also, Jay Fed joins us

9:35 in the chat and says, good afternoon everyone. I just shared to his

9:39 Facebook page. I don't know if he saw it, and it might even

9:41 be redundant. Somebody else might have already done it and beaten me to it.

9:45 But there's pictures online of apparently Joe Rogan showed Elon Musk how to take

9:52 an ice bath and they're in the ice bath together, and I figured Jay

9:56 Fed might appreciate that, And who knows, maybe someday j Fed will Joe

10:00 Rogan and Elon Musk at his place and all three of them can get into

10:03 jafed'sispath. Yes, um, Melanie Liberty joins us, of course, also

10:09 from the Great state of Vermont. In the Facebook laugh chat, Jfed's asking

10:13 do you carry on umbrella with you? I've never carried on umbrella in my

10:16 life. I have my old lady hat. Yeah, well it's like a

10:22 kerchief heef kerchief chief of a plastic. I've never carried an umbrella. I

10:28 never very expensive hearing aids. So I will cover myself with my odd looking,

10:33 older lady bonnet to make sure that my hearing aids stay dry right,

10:37 because they short out if they get wet, and you can ruin them.

10:39 That's uh. You ever get a bee in your bonnet, that would be

10:41 terrible. I don't like bees, or a bat in your belfry, or

10:46 a burr in your saddle. These are all dangerous things. Why are you

10:48 wanting things to hurt me? I don't want I don't want any of that.

10:50 I don't want any of that. I'd I avoid all these things come

10:54 back from the edge. But no, I do not carry an umbrella with

10:58 me. Let's see Ion Venom four in the Facebook live chat and says,

11:05 we say good afternoon, hashtag Matt and hashtag Jenny. We are watching you

11:07 from Greensboro, North Carolina. By the way, they're very Greensboro is very

11:15 enthusiastic about retro spectrum radio as well. We get a lot of interaction in

11:20 the Facebook live chat our friends from Greensboro during retro Spectrum Radio. Let's tell

11:24 it, last Friday Night's show was really great. Oh, I loved it.

11:28 Enjoy that. I really enjoyed it. I really did. Yeah,

11:33 No, that was fun. Let's see. Heidi Hammer or I should say,

11:37 the honorable Heidi Hammer joins us in the Facebook live chat. She says,

11:41 um going October twenty feet to see Damn the Torpedoes Tom Petty. Oh,

11:48 okay, it's a Tom Petty tribute show, going to be a great

11:50 show. The Rex is a great venue we go quite often. Yes,

11:54 very good, Heidi, very good. Yeah, yeah, very nice place.

11:58 I mean i'd been there, but I hadn't been in there and quite

12:00 sometime, quite sometime. Let's see, I'm never sure how to say this,

12:07 Dari Nordeen, That's my best attempt at it, and I'm sticking with

12:11 it. And she says ola or he olah. Let's see. Jay Fed

12:16 says something I probably shouldn't read on the air, but that is funny.

12:20 And Ian Venom Forres says, we are friends with Isaac Banks. Of course

12:26 you are. We say we were in the nineties and Joan Osborne had a

12:30 good hit one of us. And also we've been listened to. A recording

12:35 artist was Eagle Eye Cherry. Yes, Eagle Eye Cherry at another, I

12:39 think he's a one hit wonder. He had that song saved tonight. Actually,

12:43 I think he might have had another one or two other big hits after

12:46 that. Joan Osborne probably did two for all I know. I you know,

12:50 sometimes artists are tagged as being one hit wonders who aren't actually wonder wonders,

12:54 right right. It's just that sometimes they're almost victims of their own success

12:58 in a because sometimes an artist will have a one song that becomes so iconic

13:03 that it actually causes they might have had a couple of other hits, but

13:07 it actually that one song causes people to forget about the other hit songs that

13:11 they had. Venom four also says we are pop singing group. We are

13:18 a man band hashtag Matt a man band. And also and also we listened

13:24 to was the Verve Bittersweet Symphony? Yes? Yes, Well hopefully Texas Mike

13:30 will be managing you soon as well, in addition to his duties managing and

13:35 producing New Force of the Spark four. I'm sorry Ian. Venom four also

13:39 says we say Jamie Walters was a one hit wonder. We said, yes,

13:45 I believe Jamie Walter's legitimately a one hit Wonder had a big hit with

13:50 how Do You Talk to An Angel? And I think that was it for

13:52 Jamie Walters. So I have breaking exciting news, Okay, I do.

14:01 I was just talking to William from Sepsis and found out they will in fact

14:05 be in studio tomorrow right about the four o'clock hour and then talk about tomorrow

14:09 night show that's taking place at Jewel. Doors are opening at six. The

14:13 headliner is dead Reckoning. But we know a lot of these some of these

14:16 bands our listeners love them, like dust profit Edgewise that are going to also

14:20 be there. And when they come in tomorrow, they're going to announce a

14:26 co headliner for Swarmy Fest this year. Oh very good. Yes, stay

14:31 tuned or tune in tomorrow to find out who that co higliner is for this

14:35 year's second annual Swarmy Fest, which of course we will be at. Yes,

14:41 when is that? Do we know the date? I wrote it down

14:43 and I have to look at it. I suppose it doesn't matter right now.

14:45 We should focus on what they're doing tomorrow night and absolutely absolutely yeah,

14:48 So you should definitely go to if you want to go to Jewel tomorrow night

14:52 six pm doors open, fifteen dollar corp charge. The show starts at seven.

14:56 Lots of great bands, Able Blood, Ump, Edgewise, Sepsis,

15:03 I almost amalgamated their names together that profit and of course Dad reckoning. So

15:09 tune in tomorrow to the show and the substance will be here live in studio.

15:13 Yes, and Sepsis is in the chatwoman says Dad reckoning tomorrow in Manchester.

15:16 Very good, very good. Yes, Um, Sepsis says, thank

15:20 you guys so much, see you tomorrow. Yes, we look forward to

15:24 that. We are swarmies. Absolutely absolutely. They're on my playlists quite a

15:28 bit. Actually, I have one playlist that I do that um you heard

15:33 a little bit of us today. Actually, oh yeah, yeah, that's

15:35 my my writing playlist that helps me write. And there's there's a few,

15:39 quite a few songs on there that are Sepsis songs that I love. It

15:41 gets the drolling and go in and you know, the next thing, I

15:45 know, I got two thousand words on the paper, and uh, we

15:48 have a call. Our friend Shannon is on the line. Hello, Shannon,

15:52 Hellola, come ahasas or something. Yes, huh what, I don't

16:03 know, I don't remember. I took three years of Spanish, I remember

16:06 very little of it. Oh okay, Oh yeah. I had a girl

16:15 from the Marie from the Manchester Mental Health Center and she was a beautiful girl

16:25 and about twenty or twenty whatever. Her birthdays January sixteenth, and she um

16:37 she and she was the like continuous treatment team Park and my other the other

16:47 woman that was with me was um Nikki and she they were both listening for

16:52 two years basically. And whenever I said to many of them, um,

16:57 if I asked you all, whenever I meet a new person, another word,

17:03 I'm sorry, UM, I say, listen, um, whatever you

17:10 do, do not lie to me. Do not like me? Yeah,

17:17 don't lie to me. Oh, don't lie to me. You thought she

17:19 said like me, don't like me. I thought she said that too.

17:22 I was very confused. I was very confused. Okay, do not lie

17:29 to me. This is why you said. That's like, that's your that's

17:33 your opening. When you meet new people, that's your opening when you meet

17:37 new people. What am I opening? When I meet new people? When

17:42 you meet new people, you say, don't lie to me. Whatever you

17:45 do, don't lie to me? No, no, um, not people?

17:49 Where are we met these people? Um? What happens is you have

17:55 a case manager and after a certain amount of time, you get another you

18:00 get another person on another acronym team, and they will shadow you, um

18:11 with with your case manager. So I turned around and I said um uh

18:18 to Veronica, I said uh um. I said, just sounds hired.

18:29 I tell all the people, all the people the same thing all the time.

18:33 Um, whatever you do, don't write to me. Uh. I

18:37 like, meaning whatever, But um, Jenny, I need some help.

18:44 What's the matter, sweetie. I'm confused by the call. I gotta be

18:48 honest. I'm gonna I'm I'm confused as to what you're trying to convey to

18:53 us on the call today. I gotta be honest. Can you give me

18:56 a little more clarity. I feel like we've kind of wandered into the woods,

19:03 Shannon. I feel like we've wandered into the woods. Can you bring

19:08 us back to the road. Yes, there's cars passing. I just I

19:18 feel safer whether there's people around. Yes, bring us back to the road.

19:21 Shannon. Well, I didn't read that book or see the movie.

19:25 But what it's a good book. I have the it's a good Yeah.

19:30 Anyway, it's a good book. I have to change the phone when I

19:40 call you guys sometimes so I can turn the volume up. There's no volume

19:42 up on this ye goodbye, Okay, Yeah, do not swear. That's

19:52 why we're on an eight second delay. But yeah, so when that happens,

19:56 we must terminate the call, which is unfortunate because I don't know about

20:00 all of you, but I was quite stimulated. No, what why I

20:07 didn't mean that. I'm I'm kidding. She doesn't kind of a nice voice.

20:14 You can see Maddie's face. It's super red. No, no,

20:17 it's super red. No listen, No, for the record. For the

20:18 record, I enjoy Shannon's calls. She gets my sense of humor. She's

20:23 fun. But but that was a little uh what would be the word meandering

20:29 left field? And you, uh, you can't swear on the radio.

20:32 So now I caught it. We're on a delay, so everything's fine,

20:34 and Shannon, you're not banned from calling or anything. But I did,

20:38 but I did have to terminate that call. And uh, just uh,

20:41 you know, go wash her mouth out with soap or something. I think

20:45 that's Shannon calls all the time. I think I think that's Oh, you

20:48 shouldn't do that. Noh, Shannon calls all the time, and I think

20:52 that's the first time that she's ever slipped and done that. So I'm not

20:56 No, no one's upset with you, Shannon, just but we had to

20:59 move on once once I once I'm finding myself having hit the dump button.

21:03 We we move on, all righting on to more enlightening thing, moving on.

21:07 But h and that word, and she couldn't bring us back to the

21:11 road. I couldn't find the road. No, No, we'd gotten quite

21:15 far from the road. Six zo three two five h six Z seven is

21:19 a studio line. If you would like to join us six zo three two

21:23 five zero six Z seven. Uh. Melanie said in the chat room,

21:27 that's why I love the chat room. Safe swearing space. Yes, that's

21:30 true. In the chat room. In the chat room, you can you

21:33 can express yourself a bit more freely, shall we say, quite freely.

21:38 And by the way Ian venom Ford does say in the chat room, we

21:41 say hashtag Texas. Mike would be our manager. That's excellent. Get another

21:48 one. He's gonna have and I think going to balance all of them.

21:49 He's going to have an entire roster of artists under his belt and they're all

21:53 going to be in Greensboro, North Carolina. It's a cult yes, oh,

22:00 yes, yes, turning in I don't know, yeah, one central

22:06 location. Just saying a little weird yeah yeah. Um Melanie said something I

22:15 can't read on there is funny. That is funny. Um. Should we

22:22 uh? Should we talk about what you've got coming up? I've got coming

22:26 up? Yes, I am heading back to d C. Yes, yes,

22:30 I have been invited to come back and speak at the People's Action Convention

22:34 that'll be taking place in Arlington, Virginia on June twenty fifth until the twenty

22:40 seventh. I don't think, I don't know. I don't think you can

22:41 register now if you haven't registered by now. But it's going to be quite

22:45 the event. This is about forty or so organizations from across the country that

22:51 are gathering for this convention, and they're doing real work. They're not just

22:55 getting around and just talking about things. They're actually teaching and learning the real

23:00 work and how to be more effective activists and help to bring forth the issues

23:06 that they deem important, one of which of course being patients over price or

23:12 care of a cost, which is where I've been involved in United in fighting

23:17 against United Healthcare and advocating for our national healthcare. And we do have a

23:22 bill introduced to have Metacare for all. We just need more legislators to support

23:27 it. But I will say I believe there's over a hundred or so co

23:32 sponsors at this point, far more that I think than it's had before if

23:37 I remember correctly. But it's not just you know, a couple of folks

23:41 getting involved. There's a lot of folks getting involved. Hopefully, with enough

23:45 effort, we will be able to get this change. They also look out

23:48 for other issues, important issues like people not getting thrown out of their homes

23:53 by overzealous landlords and dealing with their own convoluted systems within their workplaces if they're

24:03 running into trouble. They do a lot. If you go to People's Action

24:07 dot org, you can see all of the things they're involved in, which

24:10 of course they're also doing people and plan at First or watching out for pollution

24:15 in our environments and cutting down on greenhouse gases. They do believe in ending

24:19 the drug war and addressing the overdose crisis appropriately with appropriate care, among other

24:26 things. So they're very active and a lot of different things, and they

24:30 really are a warehouse of information that gets all these different people together and empowers

24:36 them to work together. As you know, it's one organization is fine,

24:38 but we need a forty organizations working together. You have more power to be

24:42 able to institute more change in our nation. Yes, so that is what

24:48 are the dates on that June twenty fifth to the twenty seventh. I will

24:51 be there, Yes, and well they're assume there will be video. Oh

24:53 yeah, there'll be video and such. I've no doubt of that. They

24:59 do have video up from last year's if you wanted to take a look and

25:02 see what it's about. I did hear that we are potentially doing some flash

25:07 protesting involving buses. Really, I'm excited. Oh I think. Yes,

25:14 we are going to go to various places in protest in person. Oh,

25:18 very good. While we're working on sharing all this great information and working towards

25:22 you know, you and I getting to have what Congress critters never do without

25:27 proper healthcare, proper housing. Well, speaking of now, that's excellent speaking

25:33 of Congress critters, just a short side street. But when you mentioned that

25:37 I and you mentioned healthcare, it occurred to me, Uh, one of

25:40 the things that Nicki Haley said during the town hall on CNN last night.

25:42 And I have to go back and find the parts I'm missed. I didn't.

25:48 I didn't get the whole thing. But um, she was saying that

25:51 she was talking about the VA, yeah and uh, and how bad the

25:55 VA can be. And she was saying that she thinks that every everyone in

26:00 Congress should be forced to get their healthcare from the VA and uh, and

26:03 that will force some real change. That's nice, but we'd achieve a lot

26:07 more if we forced all of them to be on Medicare. Yeah, Medicare

26:11 is not bad to be right now. You know what I'm saying. I

26:14 know what she's saying. I get what she's saying. Yeah, And obviously

26:17 it's not anything that's going to happen. It's really just a talking point.

26:19 But no, being put on Medicare could happen. Yeah, that could happen.

26:23 Yeah, absolutely. I was looking over some of her conversations about our

26:27 conversation, some of the things that she was saying, I know you wanted

26:30 to talk about thus too, Um at her town hall at CNN. We

26:37 have a call. Actually, let's grab this. I think this is EASYG

26:41 is that you sir, Yeah, I got some breaking news. You want

26:45 to hear it? Yeah, breaking news, Oh my goodness. Certainly not

26:51 running for president. Yeah, well that was that was that was breaking news

26:55 a few hours ago. But uh, and and we will we will talk

26:59 about it. But that's okay. I appreciate you. A few minutes ago,

27:03 my buddy was Buddy was saying, then the hints are primary will be

27:07 pointless because will win. But not anymore. I think there's too many faces

27:12 in there, all right. That's why he probably say goodbye. Actually,

27:15 I think part of the reason he decided not to run is because he may

27:18 not have won, and it would have been embarrassing for him if he had

27:22 run and ended up and Trump ended up winning the New Hampshire primary and soon

27:26 who couldn't win in his own state, which I think is a very real

27:29 possibility, and he'd be completely out of office because he can't. He'd be

27:33 out. He wouldn't be able to hear. We can't run for both,

27:36 right, that's one in other states you can't. I don't think it's gonna

27:38 be a five time governor. That's a long time. Oh yeah, I

27:41 think he will be could be wow, I think anyways, could. I

27:47 wish you wouldn't be, but he's gonna be anything. Well, I mess,

27:51 uh January earlier about the Mike Pence, and that's going to be interesting

27:56 if the debate well throng his name in the hat. Yeah. I know

28:02 he's no shot to win, by the way, but he could take some

28:06 primaries. I think I think you don't think he could take something over Trump.

28:10 No, No, not even in real conservative land. No, I

28:14 think I think most of I think my perception is that most Republicans loathe Mike

28:18 Pence really, yeah, because he didn't he didn't flip the election somehow magically

28:23 flip the election to Trump on January sixth. No, I don't think.

28:26 I think you really think people still believe that. Oh yeah they do.

28:30 What talk No polling data shows they do. No, I think I think

28:33 Republican I think I think Pence is regarded as a pariah generally. I think

28:36 he just wants to sell some books. Yeah, he just wants to sell

28:38 some books. He knows the way to do it. He knows some people

28:42 run for president sell their books, Yeah, sell books, raise their speaking

28:47 fees. I mean lots of people run who know they're never going to actually

28:51 be the nominee. But they have other reasons for taking a shot, and

28:53 a lot of them run because they want to be vice president. Obviously you

28:56 can take that off of Pence's list, but but uh, you know,

29:00 but I think he just wants to sell some books. Yeah, it is

29:07 funny though there was a rumor going round up money for president and I'm not

29:11 running. Well, there's too many hats in there right now. I guess

29:17 that guy from New Jersey might run again. It's like, come on,

29:19 Chris Christie, he's gonna be announcing. Um, I'm glad he's getting in.

29:23 Though as much as I they're my feelings about Chris Chrissie are a bit

29:30 complicated because there are things about him that really bother me. And I've never

29:33 forgiven him for Bridgegate because I think he's a liar and I think he I

29:37 think I think he absolutely knew what was going on there, and I think

29:40 he's full of crap. But there are other things about the guy I find

29:45 oddly likable, and I just he has no shot at being the nominee or

29:51 probably even getting more than two or three percent in the polls. But it'll

29:56 be fun to have him in I'm actually glad that he's getting in because he's

29:59 just fun to have around. So I'm I'm all for it. Yeah,

30:03 he's probably get Trump a little hard time, and of debates, A,

30:06 well, Trump won't be there. Trump's not going to be in the debates.

30:08 He has no reason to. He might as well do. I mean,

30:11 he's gonna just cruise to the no. Right, Yeah, he's already

30:15 said, he's already said he's probably not going to participate, and uh,

30:21 you know, I right, doesn't have to good point. Yeah, he's

30:25 just gonna cruise to the nomination. I won't hurt him any you know,

30:27 so not No, but the debates will be interesting every four years. I

30:33 really look forward to the Republican debates. Uh. There, I can't wait.

30:37 It's not gonna be interesting, it will. Will he show up?

30:41 That's the big question, won't. I really hope he does, because I

30:45 would really like to see a real debate. But I think he's too chicken

30:48 to do it. Well, I don't know if it's so much being chicken

30:51 as as it is strategy too risky. Yeah, I mean, well there's

30:55 no reason. Yeah, there's just no no. Strategically, there's just no

30:57 reason to do it. Um, And after seeing Nicky Haley in that town

31:03 hall, I think she'd be a real threat to him in an actual debate.

31:04 I don't think he could just roll over her like he did, you

31:07 know, little Marco or Jed. You know, I think I think Nicky

31:11 Haley. I think Nicky Haley would. I don't think he rolled over Hillary.

31:17 I think but Um in the debates. Uh particularly but but but he

31:22 got the way he got to the nomination was just getting up on that stage

31:26 during the primary debates in twenty sixteen and just insulting everybody, and it helped

31:30 him stand out and it made him look like the alpha dog and the ultimate

31:33 outsider because he won the worst campaigns and history of campaign and she was awful.

31:40 I wouldn't agree with that. I mean, she definitely there were definitely

31:42 some mistakes made. There were some states that she should have spent some time

31:45 in that she didn't. But she happens she always passed out. Yeah I

31:49 remember that. Yeah, I don't. I don't think that. Really,

31:52 I don't know. She's still beat Trump by three million votes. Um,

31:57 so she couldn't have run that bad a campaig. She still won the popular

32:00 vote. But uh but no, we don't look we don't like presidents on

32:04 a popular vote. There were there were definitely some mistakes made in in her

32:08 campaign. I think they think anybody wanted her. Uh well, when you

32:14 look at the choices, I think, uh three million more people wanted her

32:17 to be president than Trump. Uh so, I think you're speaking a little

32:22 broadly, easy, But I mean I didn't vote for either one. I

32:24 kind of forgot all about detail. If you're a detail kind of guy,

32:28 I am a detail kind of guy. That's right, No broad strokes here.

32:31 I only see details. That's my two cents, hight easy, bye

32:37 bye. You should have known by now. Easy, all right, that's

32:40 our friend, easyg Eric Gagnon. That does open up a line for you.

32:45 Six zo three two five zero six zero seven six z three two five

32:49 six zero seven. Um but uh yeah, so the uh yeah, Nicky

32:54 Haley. So my impression of her last night in the CNN town hall,

33:00 and uh, like I said, I do need to go back and watch

33:02 the parts that I missed. I didn't quite see the whole thing, but

33:05 I saw the bulk of it. Um. Uh, she's very well.

33:09 It didn't surprise me really, just based on what I'd seen of her before.

33:13 But she's very sharp, she's very fast, she's very um, very

33:20 articulate. This is in no way an an endorsement or should be taking our

33:24 support for her. I mean, she's a conservative and I'm not so you

33:27 know, she's not someone I would vote for, but just in terms of

33:31 how she performed, I think she's you know, I kept thinking if she

33:38 were on a debate stage with Trump, I don't think that Trump would be

33:44 able to just kind of roll over her like he did to his other opponents

33:50 in twenty sixteen. You know, like like it was easy right when he's

33:53 up, when he's on stage with Jeb Bush, you know, and Trump

33:58 just goes, yeah, you're a real tough guy, Jeff. And it

34:00 was like just that one thing ended Jeff Bush's campaign. It was like everybody

34:06 was people gives this gut on board with Trump so quickly because they saw him.

34:10 I think in those debates they just saw him as sort of the anti

34:15 politician and they they like that, and you know he was you know,

34:19 he'd get up and he'd insult you know again, he'd give out nicknames like

34:22 Rubio, he'd call him little Marco. He would insult Rand Paul. Uh,

34:27 he didn't really go after Carly Fiorina because if you if you start insulting

34:30 women, then you know you really that really looks bad. Yeah, how's

34:35 he going to handle Nicki Hailey? Well, that's my point. She the

34:39 word that kept coming to mind for me during that CNN town hall was prepared.

34:46 She was prepared, and um, she's very very good at at Again

34:52 again, I don't mean you know that. I agree that there were a

34:55 few times I want to kind of wanted to throw up, but um,

34:59 so you know, ideologically we are not aligned her and I but but again,

35:05 just in terms of a dispassionate political analysis, she's very good and I

35:10 think she would devour him in a debate, especially if it's just them.

35:17 Like say, for example, we get into this and you know, candidates

35:22 start dropping out, and like I said, I think it's ultimately going to

35:25 be Trump. But if it came down to just two and Trump agreed,

35:29 if it came down to just Trump and Nicky Haley and Trump actually agreed to

35:31 debate Nicki Haley because say, again, I don't think this is going to

35:36 happen, but I'm just fantasy bookings as wrestling fans like to say, but

35:42 imagine it comes down to just Trump and Nicki Haley, and she's doing so

35:45 well and she's catching up to him that a decision is made. Okay,

35:51 better debate her. I think she would devour him, absolutely devour him.

35:58 And some thing about Nicky Haley. And most people probably don't remember this because

36:02 it's just one of those odd It's one of those moments in time that it's

36:07 not significant to anything in the grand scheme of things, But for whatever reason,

36:10 it just stuck with me. Was when she was ambassador to the UN.

36:16 And I don't remember what it was about, but there was some sort

36:22 of an inconsistency in the policy of the administration. I have no recollection of

36:25 what it was about, but I remember Nicki Haley had said something at the

36:30 UN that did not comport with what I guess somebody at the White House wanted

36:35 or what Trump wanted, or somebody didn't communicate something correctly. And Larry Cudlow,

36:40 do you remember this, Larry Cudlow went on. I assume it was

36:45 Fox. I don't even remember what show it was on. Larry Cudlow goes

36:47 on, because he was in the administration, at the time and basically throws

36:51 her under the bus. I don't remember it, throws her under the bus

36:54 and says, well, I think Ambassador Haley just got confused and she said

37:00 the wrong thing and that's not our policy. But he kind of, you

37:02 know, I mean, he sort of gently I shouldn't say he threw her

37:06 under the bus. He tried to be a little bit gracious about it.

37:07 He kind of eased her under the bus, but he did try to make

37:12 sure that she was under the bus, you know. Yeah. I mean

37:15 he didn't come out like with awful of bluster her and say, oh,

37:17 it's all Nicky Hayley's fault. No, but he was kind of like,

37:20 you know, I think she got a little confused, and almost immediately she

37:24 went she took to Twitter, and without naming names, without pointing fingers,

37:29 she just said, I do not get confused. If I communicate something that

37:36 I'm not supposed to, it's because somebody did not communicate correctly with me.

37:40 And she was very firm in that she wasn't having it Larry Cudlow trying to,

37:46 you know, sort of gently ease her under the bus. She wasn't

37:52 going under the bus, and I just that won a little bit of respect

37:55 from me, because you know, she worked in an administration and where you're

38:01 not really supposed to Yeah, well, I suppose in any administration really ideally,

38:07 you know, you're not supposed to be fighting amongst each other if you're

38:12 all on the same team. But no, but she wasn't having it.

38:15 She wasn't gonna let him just do that to her and then just pretend it

38:19 was okay. She responded, and that one some respect from me for her.

38:24 So anyway, she's tough, and I think she would be the most

38:31 serious if all things were, all things being equal, if it were a

38:36 level playing field in terms of the polling, and there weren't. There was

38:38 no clear front runner yet. I think she would be a serious threat to

38:42 Trump, and I can't think of who else would be. She's scary too,

38:46 she's not. She's got things about her that are scary. Well,

38:51 she said some things during that town hall that scared me. Oh yeah,

38:53 definitely. I've been meeting up on a lot of her comments and yeah,

39:00 yeah, there's there's some stuff I did not like. Um, but uh,

39:08 there was this one part where it was like there's something I liked and

39:13 something I didn't all in all in one answer where she's um. She was

39:15 asked about Governor of Florida, of course around to Santis in his war with

39:21 Disney, and she was like all on board with the so called don't say

39:25 Gay bill and said, oh, it doesn't go far enough. It's like

39:29 she's she's trying to get to the right of de Santis on that. And

39:31 she really she she in my view, she really poured on the transphobia last

39:37 night, which I didn't like. She she seems to like to do um

39:40 but uh, but then she but she then turns around, so she's trying

39:45 to get to the right of him and sort of complimenting him on that.

39:49 But then she turns around and pulls the knife out and says, uh,

39:52 you know he's he's a hypocrite because um, he took money, he took

39:59 a big campaign donation from Disney and then just because they just because they criticized

40:06 him, even though she agrees with him on the bill, just because they

40:09 criticized him. Now he's at war with them, and it's anti business and

40:13 it's and being anti business is anti conservative, and you know, she she

40:17 doesn't agree with any of that. What he's doing there. Um, so

40:22 you know, so I agreed with her on that part. Um, but

40:27 um, yeah, it was it was, It was interesting. But I

40:30 think she's again, all things being, if you take Trump out of the

40:32 equation, I think that I think she'd be a very formidable, uh potential

40:42 nominee. Um. I don't know who else is in that field that Trump

40:46 couldn't just roll over. I mean, we know Trump can roll over Mike

40:51 Pence because Trump. We know this, even though Pence did stand up to

40:57 him about, you know, overturning the election. We do also know that

41:01 Trump can put Mike Pence's family in danger. Of course, I'm alluding to

41:07 January sixth, and Pence will just find a way to be uh totally okay

41:13 with it. I guess, Um, you know, God forbid Trump,

41:17 I mean, God forbid Pence show any real emotion about putting his family in

41:22 danger. Yeah, I'm kind of weird. Yeah, So, uh,

41:25 so we know Trump can easily roll over Pence because ultimately Pence will say,

41:30 yes, my liege, whatever you say. Uh, waiting to see what

41:34 kind of a nickname he gives Nicky Haley. He won't you don't think he

41:37 will? He won't because it's a woman. Correct, He won't give Nicki

41:40 Haley. He's going to be lady though you're a nasty lady. He might

41:45 he might not even do that. I think he's going to be I think

41:49 he's going to be careful this two people. He's going to be very careful

41:52 about. Nicki Haley is one of them. And the other one I think

41:54 he'll be even more careful about. Is Tim Scott really? Yes? Ah,

42:00 that's why you think. Huh, yes, I'm curious, all right.

42:04 So she specifically disagreed with the rest of the field last night in not

42:12 supporting Trump's opinion on the Ukrainian war. You know, or does Santi's calling

42:19 it a territorial dispute. She totally disagrees, and she seems to be in

42:25 favor of supporting the Ukraine winning. She warns that it could be the start

42:30 of a world war. This is the only area that stood out as far

42:35 as to me that I could like relate to her in any way, because

42:37 ninety percent of what she was saying made me cringe. Yeah, But in

42:42 this particular instance, it was interesting that out of she is taking a different

42:45 stance than everybody else. See to me though. To me though she overcorrected.

42:52 You think yeah, because you think that because while Trump says so,

42:55 while Trump says, oh, you know, I'll have that solved in twenty

42:59 four hours, we all know. I mean, people will lie to themselves,

43:02 but if you're being honest with yourself, we all know what that means.

43:07 That means Trump's gonna get in there and tell Vladimir Putin, Okay,

43:09 you can have it, and We're just gonna stop helping Ukraine and it's yours,

43:12 buddy. That's what that really means. I know, some people will

43:15 tell themselves that, no, no, that's not what Trump means. It

43:17 is what it means, and deep down you know it. And yeah,

43:21 of course you have de Sciantists who called it a territorial dispute, which is

43:24 growth the vek Ramaswami, who my dad likes. I don't know if my

43:29 dad realizes this, but the vex position apparently is just make concessions to Russia,

43:35 which is another way of saying, just let them have it. And

43:37 yeah, there are there are, Yeah, there are other Republicans in the

43:42 field who don't seem to think that we should be helping Ukraine, where I

43:45 think Nicki Haley overcorrected, though, is she um? She kind of reminded

43:51 me of what Carly Fiorina did in twenty sixteen. She was talking about not

43:55 only yeah, helping Ukraine and standing up to hooting them all for that,

44:00 but she went so hawkish. She started saying things like, well, you

44:05 know, we should have responded more harshly when they shot down our drone,

44:09 and we should have not only sent up more drones but some fighter jets.

44:15 And you know that worries me too. See, something that I think the

44:19 Biden administration has done very well is really walk in that line. You got

44:23 to walk that line here. You got to walk that line between on one

44:27 hand, yes, helping Ukraine, standing up for Ukraine, standing up to

44:30 Russia on that while at the same time not getting us into a nuclear war.

44:36 I would like to avoid global thermonuclear armageddon if nobody minds. And so

44:42 you got to walk that line. And I think the administration has done a

44:45 very good job of that so far, evidenced by the fact that number one,

44:50 Ukraine has held their own as best they can pretty well, much better

44:53 than anyone expected. And number two, we're not all dead, so there

44:58 has not yet been a nuclear war. Oh, I think they've done a

45:00 good job. But the way Nicki Haley was talking it reminded me. It

45:04 reminded me specifically of Carly Fiorina in the twenty sixteen debates, when you know

45:08 they're talking about at that time, they were talking about putting up a no

45:13 fly zone over Syria when we were still in Syria and the Russians were also

45:16 in Syria, and one of the debate questions is would you put up a

45:20 no fly zone? And by the way, Hillary Clinton wanted to do that

45:22 too, which is crazy because we could have ended up in a position where

45:29 We've got to shoot down a Russian plane and that cannot be allowed to happen.

45:32 That wasn't you said the wrong country, it was that was about Ukraine.

45:37 No, it's I'm talking about in Syria. Went in Syria when we

45:40 were in Syria in twenty sixteen and the Russians were there too, and they

45:45 and they were talking about putting up an no fly zone over Syria to keep

45:49 the Russians out. Yeah, that's okay. And so Hillary Clinton's position which

45:54 was absolutely this is something where I agreed with Trump over Hillary. Ultimately,

45:58 Hillary's position was yeah, we should put up a no fly zone. I

46:00 thought that was suicidal. While the Republicans on that stage also that was their

46:05 position, except for Rand Paul. I remember this, VIVI. This is

46:08 another detail probably people don't remember, but I remember vividly. The camera goes

46:13 to Rand Paul and he just kind of shakes his head because everyone else on

46:17 the stage is all for putting up a no fly zone. And Rand Paul

46:20 says, you people are going to get us all killed, and he was

46:22 right. Might have been one of the last times I agreed with Rand Paul

46:27 on something. But there they are on that stage, and of course they're

46:30 Republicans, so they're all trying to out alpha each other, and they're all

46:32 trying to seem like, oh, I'm the toughest. No, no,

46:35 no, I'm the toughest yea, you know, like Chris Christie, he

46:37 goes, would I shoot a Russian plane down? You're damn right I would,

46:40 And it's like, okay, but that is going to kick off World

46:44 War three? Just sobody else to do it? Can we just clarify the

46:46 fact. Well, But but then it goes to Carly Fiorina and she's like,

46:52 I'd shoot that plane down, and I wouldn't talk to Russia, and

46:54 I'd never I would never talk to Vladimir Putin, and we'd put even more

46:59 missile in Europe and build up our nukes and like this was like, whoa

47:04 Jesus, She's spoiling for armageddon. So, you know, I found that

47:09 a little unsettling. I don't know if she actually meant any of the things

47:13 she was saying. I think she might have been caught up in the moment

47:15 because, like I said, the Republicans, they all have to be everyone

47:17 has to be the alpha dog. But uh, you know, so she

47:22 might have just gotten caught up in that anyway. But I was getting a

47:23 little Carly Fiorina vibe from Nicki Haley when she started talking about Russia. So

47:29 that's what I meant by That was my very long winded way of explaining why

47:31 I think she kind of overcorrected. But I do fundamentally agree with her about

47:37 continuing to help Ukraine and wanting Ukraine to win that war. It's the only

47:43 redeeming quality I found about her so far. Yeah, yeah, everything else,

47:46 like really really yeah, Melanie in the chat room says, avoid thermonuclear

47:54 war. Armageddon, baby, yeah, I just you know, at a

47:59 little thing like that, I'd like to Yeah, I'd like to avoid it.

48:02 I I mean, I know, you know, I think the young

48:07 people might call it a hot take, but uh, but I do want

48:09 to I do want to publicly come out and say and listen, people can

48:14 challenge me if they want to, but this is a this is a one

48:16 of my first principles. As you might say, I am firmly opposed to

48:22 nuclear armageddon. I I will go on record as saying that I oppose.

48:27 I say nay to that. So anyone out there, you know, if

48:30 anyone's pro nuclear armageddon, if they want to call in and debate me on

48:35 it, I'm happy to do so, and I'll hear you out. But

48:38 I think it's a bad idea. Uh, you know, all the death

48:42 and the plan of being uninhabitable and whatnot, I think Uh. I mean,

48:45 granted, we almost had economic global armageddon almost, but we pulled back

48:51 from the brink of that barely. So Uh, any kind of and really

48:55 any kind of armageddon. Uh, don't get me wrong. The song armagedding

49:00 It by def Leppard, I'm a big fan of that. I think that's

49:01 a great song. Uh. There's the movie Armageddon, which I never saw,

49:06 but I already know how it ends. And I hated that song,

49:08 the Aerosmith song I don't want to miss a thing. Oh God, I

49:12 heard it, had to hear that so much. But no, I'm generally

49:15 U. I'm genuinely a post any Any anything that involves, uh, the

49:19 extinction of all life on Earth, I think is probably a bad idea.

49:23 And I propose that we avoid avoid that happening. And then again, you

49:30 know, I know I'm out on a limb here. I you know,

49:34 sometimes I say things that are controversial. But Melanie says, marshmallow Armageddon is

49:39 going to be awesome only if you like marshmallows. I love marshalls. I

49:44 don't love marshmallows. Marshmallows with chocolates. I must have chucolates. Yeah,

49:49 I don't. I don't like. I think they're kind of gross. You

49:53 know the hopno makes the s'mores. You know. The other thing too,

49:58 is uh the other problem with arm Getting is I've got a busy schedule and

50:00 I feel like it would interfere, you know, like I don't know if

50:04 I can a little well, I don't know if i'd even be able to

50:06 come in and do this radio show if everything's uh, you know, if

50:09 there's radiation everywhere. I mean, how would that even work? Boy,

50:13 I'll tell you. And the people would need me more than ever. I

50:15 mean I would have to be here. The people would need me, they

50:17 would need my comforting voice. I mean, we'd all be dead. So

50:22 I'm not even sure how that would work. But well, we wouldn't be

50:24 dead right away. Well, depending on how close we are, though,

50:30 the closer you are, the more prolonged suffering, right will happen? Yes?

50:37 Yes, I remember when they were handing out iodine capsules in Plymouth,

50:40 Massachusetts to make people feel better about the Pilgrim Nuclear Power plant. Ah.

50:46 Yes, like those little capsules. We're all just going to disintegrate. But

50:50 here have a capsule, right, we have a Oh, Shannon's calling back.

50:54 She might be now hopefully she can control herself this time, and she's

51:00 calling to challenge me on my anti armageddon a position. Hi, Shannon,

51:07 are you there? Yes? Are you there? I am here? Um?

51:13 Then you I forgot. I was going to say it was funny too,

51:20 darnick. Woh well keep us do well? Um? Ah, yeah,

51:30 it's just gone m alrighty time. I'm sure it was great whatever it

51:36 was. Ah yah, work on it, get back to us. Oh,

51:43 have mercy? What oh something about vukassault or something. Uh oh,

51:52 I was like that, I like I used to I haven't thought of that

51:54 one. There's a fun band that's a bit an example of a band people

51:59 think is a one hit wonder because of seither the songs either, but they

52:01 forget they had a follow up with Volcano Girls, which was also a big

52:06 hit. But see se either was such a big hit that people forget about

52:08 Volcano Girls, and they think that Verrucas also won it. Wonder. It's

52:13 a travesty. M certainly is. Well, it's it's too bad because I

52:19 think whatever Shannon had it, you know, it would have been brilliant.

52:22 And I feel that we've probably missed out on what would have been some truly

52:27 remark remarkable comedy. Uh. I imagine that whatever Shannon had tried to have

52:35 prepared that it would have been so funny that we would still you know,

52:38 we'd be uh, we'd still be laughing now several minutes later. It would

52:42 be uh, we'd be engulfed in the hilarity of it all. That's no

52:47 sound good? Mmmm yeah, engulfing me, Melanie says. Melanie says,

52:54 dolls coming to life to kill us all armageddon top end. No, that

52:58 actually sounds even worse than the marshmallows. I mean I would take the marshmallows

53:01 over that. I want marshmallows. Yeah, no, I'll pass on the

53:07 other. How does a marshmallow army? Get it happen? Even the clouds

53:10 turn into marshmallows and then they start to fall from the sky. Well that

53:15 sounds well, oh so it would be related to climate change. Yeah,

53:20 yeah, see I get trails are the one I'm going to create. The

53:23 marshmallows and the clouds. See, I now understand I opposed that as well.

53:30 I want the cloud why I want Look, I'm an institutionalist. I'm

53:35 old fashioned. I want the clouds to remain clouds. I don't want them

53:37 to be marshmallows. And that's another hot take, as I believe the young

53:43 people say. But that is my position, and I want to chocolate covered

53:45 marshmallows. People can challenge me if they wish, but but no. I

53:51 So those are the two things that now you all know about me. I'm

53:53 I'm opposed to nuclear War and Marshmallow clouds. You are an anti marshmallow I

54:00 am terrible. I am you are terrible. Well, it is uh.

54:06 It is the top of the hour. It is so and we're actually gonna

54:08 get to break on time today. We're gonna play some get used to it.

54:13 That's right, We're actually gonna play some Edgewise. They're one of the

54:17 bands that will be tomorrow night at the show at Jewel Yes, along with

54:22 Sepsis and Dust Profit and Dead Reckoning. Dead Reckoning is the headliner. Yep.

54:28 So uh, and we're gonna have uh sepsis as uh did Williams say?

54:31 Is it just SEPs Us coming in or are they gonna I think it's

54:35 just sepsis. I'm not sure that somebody else is going to be coming in.

54:37 Well we'll see what surprise. But they are going to officially announce the

54:40 codliner of some warmy Fats. Yes, yes, by the way, Eon

54:47 Venom Force, as we say, we love Swiss Rolls. And the other

54:52 band is Able Blood Able Blood. Yes, I want to make sure to

54:57 get that out. I've heard of them. Yes. Miriam Jan joins us

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56:31 if you'd like to be with us, the studio line is open six zo

56:35 three two five zero six zoo seven six ZO three two five zero six zoo

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56:52 we can hear and enjoy your dulcet tones is to have us a call at

56:57 six zoo three two five six seven. By the way, I did see

57:00 Mike from Queen City Cabinetry is in the Facebook live chat. Hello Mike.

57:05 It was nice to see Mike. Of course saw Friday night for retro Spectrum

57:07 Radio with policy. Not only is Queen City Cabinetry one of our great sponsors

57:12 here at WMNH, but Mike is an official co host on retro Spectrum Radio

57:17 along with myself and uh DJ Steve, and we get to hang out with

57:22 Paul C every Friday night from eight to eleven PM. Let's see. I

57:28 saw somebody else in the chat room too. Oh, forgive me an advance,

57:34 but I'm sure I'm gonna butcher the last name Frederick Hova Sapien, Oh

57:40 Hova Sapien. I think it is joins us in the Facebook live chat.

57:45 That's a new name. In there. Let's see Ion Venom four saying hello

57:51 to Donna Pagary in the Facebook live chat. I also Scott Robinson in the

57:57 chat room says, wow, what a treat a Monday entertainment report. No,

58:00 no, no, easyg he was just teasing us. But Eon venom

58:06 For says hello hashtag Mike pellopedo. We said hashtag Jen, have you watched

58:09 the new Hawaii five? Oh? I have not, but not the old

58:14 Hawaii five? Oh? We said to you, Jen, coffee you have

58:17 not? I have not hashtag Jenny. Eon Venomfor also says, we say

58:23 that we will be performing for a karaoke at Center City Park downtown Greensboro,

58:29 North Carolina. I get the impression that Center City Park in downtown Greensboro has

58:32 a lot of karaoke with these uh man band pop singing groups. Yeah,

58:39 still having a weird feeling about man band, like it just you know,

58:45 hangs there like a that doesn't sound right. It's not a boy band,

58:47 They're all grown up. It's a man band, alrighty Ean Venomfor also says

58:52 good afternoon, hashtag Kara Kilmer from Chicago fire. We I'm sorry, how

59:00 are you doing? We said, wow? So Chicago Fire. That's a

59:02 television show, right, I think though, so if Kara Kilmer is listening,

59:07 hello, we have a famous person listening to us by way of Eon

59:12 Venom four. Very cool, yes, cool, yes, yes. Regarding

59:17 I think our discussion earlier about armageddon, Melanie said, I'm looking forward to

59:22 the two Headed Cannibals myself. That sounds I didn't know they were coming into

59:25 two headed variety. They do that song she drives me crazy, right,

59:29 two added cannibals, Yeah, could be yea. Let's see Eon venom for

59:38 says we say president hashtag jen you know what we are saying. I'm a

59:44 president. Apparently Eon Venom four thinks you are the president. No, no,

59:50 I am only the president of my own world. H you just live

59:53 near it. And Eon Venom four says we say man band better than boy

59:59 band. Well, my goodness. All right, Luki doki, all right,

1:00:01 I guess so, I guess so, so we have wrong? I'm

1:00:07 sorry? Yeah, Well, um, we have something interesting that probably not

1:00:15 wouldn't be in anyone's top five or maybe even top ten list of news and

1:00:19 political stories, but it's something that actually does affect me. And that's why

1:00:22 I said to you off air. You asked me if this was a good

1:00:25 thing or not, and I said, uh, well, it depends on

1:00:28 how you look at it. It took me about two seconds to go no,

1:00:30 well well but yes and no, actually yeah, it really is,

1:00:36 it really is. Here's the story. The Hill dot com is reporting YouTube

1:00:40 reverses policy will allow election denial. Now, what does this have to do

1:00:47 with me and with this program? While I'll tell you so, I if

1:00:52 you're if you're a regular listener, if you're a longtime listener, you know

1:00:55 this already. But I've had my strong goals with the YouTube because I've uploaded

1:01:05 the show there and had instances where I get two there are two things that

1:01:12 I've been dinged for by YouTube that are both unfair. One I won't mention,

1:01:16 even though I'm on the correct side of that issue and not in any

1:01:20 sort of violation. But I won't even mention it because I don't want to.

1:01:22 I don't want YouTube to you know, ding me with a violation for

1:01:25 today's show. And the other thing is spread, as they like to put

1:01:30 it, spreading false or misleading information about the twenty twenty election. Now,

1:01:35 the reason they have that policy in place is to tamp down on people going

1:01:40 on YouTube and spreading you know, what we often refer to as the big

1:01:45 lie that the election was stolen from Trump, which there's no evidence for that

1:01:52 I'm aware of, and in fact, in some instances they sent in a

1:01:55 company called cyber Ninjas. They did this in a couple of states who actually

1:02:00 turned up extra votes for Biden that had been missed. Not not Trump,

1:02:05 but um. But you know, when you put your faith in somebody like

1:02:08 Rudy Giuliani and you see him standing in front of Four Seasons Landscaping and law

1:02:13 lawn Care with black hoop dripping down his face, and you say, yeah,

1:02:17 what he's saying makes sense to me, then you know you're you're going

1:02:20 to You're going to wind up believing some things that frankly there is no evidence

1:02:24 for. So anyway, So the reason that I've run a foul of YouTube

1:02:30 in the fact in the past is because I would talk about the big lie.

1:02:38 I would talk about election deniers on the show, but I would do

1:02:44 the opposite. I would not violate the policy. I would push back on

1:02:47 that stuff and say and look, and I would you know, make fun

1:02:51 of it, like look this is ridiculous. Uh. They all these cases

1:02:54 get tossed out of court almost immediately as being frivolous. More than you have

1:03:00 them. These lawsuits filed nationally challenging the twenty twenty election, many of them

1:03:06 by not only conservative judges but Trump appointed judges who say, you've got nothing

1:03:13 here. And the reason that happens is, you know, if you're pushing

1:03:15 that, if you're pushing that narrative, you can say whatever you want to

1:03:20 to the media and to and to the maga crowd. There's no law against

1:03:25 lying to people, but it is illegal, very much so to lie in

1:03:30 a court of law when you're under oath, because then you run the risk

1:03:34 of committing perjury and ending up in prison. So, you know, whether

1:03:37 it's Rudy Giuliani or Jenna Ellis or Sidney Powell, you know, they say

1:03:43 all this stuff on television and in interviews, but then when they get into

1:03:45 a court of law they have to admit, yeah, we actually don't have

1:03:49 any evidence. It's all speculation, and then the case gets tossed. But

1:03:52 Shannon is calling back, Hi, Shannon, Yes, hi, Hi,

1:03:58 because the things I am what m I've been smoking, but I've just been

1:04:04 enjoying it rather than using it for the purpose I was using it for Okay,

1:04:11 okay, um, just ask um um. Eric culture there if he's

1:04:16 ever seeing the movie with clinics, would trouble with the curve, okay,

1:04:21 because he might want to do a review one that. And we're bringing that

1:04:26 up now, why because I went to go get a movie and I says,

1:04:33 well, I want this one, but I said, nope, what

1:04:36 I'm gonna look, So I'm gonna I'm gonna put that in there, Gotta

1:04:44 do this review. Huh um. So it's okay, okay, I didn't

1:04:49 hear what you're saying. I think Eric has heard you request the review.

1:04:54 Yes, okay, all right, Janna, do we noted? All right?

1:04:59 All right, thank you, all right, bye bye, all right,

1:05:02 I'm so confused today. So yeah, as I was saying so so

1:05:11 I on the show, I would push back against all of that. So

1:05:14 I was never in violation of YouTube's policy, and yet I would get dinged

1:05:18 for And it happened so many times that you know, I was afraid of

1:05:23 losing my YouTube channel. So I just on days, I made a new

1:05:26 rule for myself on days when that particular subject would be discussed. I just

1:05:30 wouldn't upload that day's show to YouTube, or I would put up Sometimes I've

1:05:33 posted an edited version of the show on YouTube for that day so that I

1:05:39 don't end up in violation and in danger of losing my entire YouTube channel,

1:05:43 even though I was not in violation of the policy. I'm pushing back against

1:05:46 all the nonsense. But my theory is what happens is a bot picks up

1:05:51 on what I'm saying, and maybe I'm quoting somebody else who says something who's

1:05:57 spreading an election to nihilism, and the boat picks up on that and says,

1:06:00 oh, this guy's spreading election denialism. We need to give him a

1:06:04 strike. And then I appeal it, and the appeals denial. I appeal

1:06:09 at thinking maybe an actual human will listen to this and realize, oh,

1:06:12 no, that's not what this guy's doing, this human was involved anymore.

1:06:15 Yeah, but then the yeah, and then but no I and then the

1:06:17 appeal gets denied. Um, oh no, there was one that I won

1:06:23 recently. That's right. I did win an appeal a few the first time

1:06:27 you want it. Yes, I actually did win an appeal, that's right.

1:06:30 I forgot about that. Uh, they said, yes, Matt,

1:06:31 we reviewed your content and we've determined that you were not in violation of our

1:06:38 policy. Anyway, YouTube is now reversing the policy, so I guess now

1:06:41 I don't have to worry about it, you know, when you read their

1:06:44 full statement, though I like what they have to say, I have to

1:06:46 say, you know what I mean, Yeah, they're they're they're attempting to

1:06:51 make sure that they don't shut down genuine discussion and debate, even if it's

1:06:56 something that you do consider controversial right in an election, especially where this is

1:07:02 an election coming up. They literally said, the ability to openly debate political

1:07:08 ideas, even those that are controversial or based on disproven assumptions, is core

1:07:13 to a functioning democratic society, especially in the midst of election season, and

1:07:18 they intend to keep looking out for things that maybe telling people misinformation, like

1:07:24 you know, not sending them to the wrong place to vote, or something

1:07:26 of that type of thing, or something that's an inciting of violence, harassment,

1:07:31 hey speech, which I don't think they do a great job on that

1:07:33 one, but that's what they're going to say that they'll take out. They're

1:07:39 no longer going to be removing the controversial stuff because they don't want to shut

1:07:43 down the conversation. By the way, this is a new name in the

1:07:45 chat room. Welcome Eric Nannarone. If I'm saying that correctly. Eric says

1:07:51 YouTube doesn't follow the Fair Uses Act of nineteen seventy six. I'm a podcaster

1:07:57 and I have had a ton of issues with YouTube. They take things down

1:08:00 for no reason. Yep, Oh yeah, yep. Absolutely. There is

1:08:03 a podcaster that I listened to all the time on YouTube, and he's always

1:08:08 like ad libbing or making comments like, oh, we're not going to put

1:08:12 that on the YouTube play. You know, I'll have to edit this out

1:08:15 for when we upload it. You know, He'll or he'll like say a

1:08:18 verbal disclaimer, yeah, which I don't know if that really works, saying

1:08:23 something while you're recording alive. I don't know if that actually works to protect

1:08:29 you. Well, if he's doing it, and he's but he's gotten ding

1:08:32 two. He's one of the bigger one of the bigger podcasters. Well,

1:08:35 you know what's funny, So when this first started happening, when I first

1:08:39 began to experience this phenomenon, I just assumed, well, you know,

1:08:44 because obviously there's there's big, big shows on YouTube that that talk about the

1:08:48 same stuff all the time, and I thought, you know what it's because

1:08:54 you know, I'm a obviously, I'm a very small fish in a large

1:08:58 ocean of content crea. The big shows that talk about this stuff all the

1:09:03 time and they don't have any problems. It's probably because if you're a big

1:09:06 enough show, you have actual humans reviewing your content, so so you don't

1:09:11 get into trouble or something like that. But then there was an incident where

1:09:15 there's a YouTuber named Vosh who I don't agree with him on everything. He's

1:09:19 a Marxist, but but I think some of his analysis is really interesting.

1:09:23 And I was playing one of his videos and he actually ran into it where

1:09:28 he got a Now he's you know, he's got something like I don't know,

1:09:31 twenty thousand or maybe two hundred thousand subscribers or something, so you know,

1:09:35 he was able to get it overturned quickly, but he actually got dinged.

1:09:40 That's the problem though. The nail on the head is that we don't

1:09:43 have human beings looking at this because you and I know of a podcast on

1:09:47 YouTube that is constantly being racist and hate and inciting violence, but that never

1:09:55 gets taken down no matter how many times people report it. Yeah, but

1:09:58 then you have somebody like yourself talking about the elections and what's going on in

1:10:01 our government, and you get dinged for simply sharing the information, which is

1:10:05 what you're supposed to be doing. Yeah, it's my it's it's because of

1:10:10 these computers that are supposedly doing the job for them, but they do it

1:10:14 so poorly that good broadcasters get shut down and people who are racist white supremacists

1:10:20 get to keep feeling hate on their platform. It's absolutely aggravating to me.

1:10:30 They need if they would put more humans involved, I think they would do

1:10:32 a much better job. I agree with this position they're taking, though that

1:10:36 said, they would fare much better with their ability to really look at content

1:10:42 if they put more people involved. I wonder if they're seeing a lot of

1:10:46 people abandoning YouTube and going to Rumble and that that has caused this policy change.

1:10:53 I mean, I kind of doubt it, because I don't think YouTube

1:10:55 has anything to worry about, but but I do kind of wonder. Um,

1:11:00 you know, and I've talked about Rumble. I mean, I'm Rumble

1:11:02 is dominated by conservatives, but anybody can have a Rumble channel, and I

1:11:05 I have a Rumble channel with content on it. I like, I kind

1:11:10 of like it that I don't fit in because I don't know. I guess

1:11:12 I just like to be in the pool. But um you know, but

1:11:15 that I do find, I mean, you've got to kind of dig for

1:11:16 it. But I do find other content on Rumble that doesn't necessarily where you

1:11:20 look at it and you go, one of these things is not like the

1:11:23 other. But um uh. But anybody can put, you know, anything

1:11:29 on there. And so so if you go to Rumble's home page, you

1:11:31 know, you'll see a lot of well you'll see some pretty crazy stuff,

1:11:34 to be honest with you, and and some things that I would not want

1:11:38 to be associated with. But at least Rumble, I know that I can

1:11:43 put put the show there and it's never a problem or anything I want to

1:11:45 and it's never going to be a problem. M and uh. And I

1:11:49 think that's uh, that's attracted a lot of people, and not just conservatives.

1:11:54 I think what they're trying to do is not hurt the larger community over

1:12:00 the actions of one or two per se because they did they further in their

1:12:05 statement, they say, two years and tens of thousands of videos removed and

1:12:11 one election cycle later, we recognize it's time to reevaluate the effects of this

1:12:15 policy in today's changing landscape. In the current environment, we find that while

1:12:20 removing this content does curb some misinformation, it could also have the unintended effect

1:12:26 of curtailing political speech without meaningful without meaningfully reducing the risk of violence or other

1:12:31 real world harm. With that in mind, and with the twenty twenty four

1:12:34 campaign well underway, we will stop removing content that advances false claims that widespread

1:12:40 fraud and errors or glitches occurred in the twenty twenty and other past presidential elections.

1:12:45 As with any updates to our policy, will carefully debilitate. They go

1:12:48 on, but they're basically admitting that, you know, though they've done all

1:12:53 of this, they're not you know what I mean, it's not reaping the

1:12:58 reward they thought. In a sense, they're they're capturing a lot of innocent

1:13:00 people, but they're not really quieting out the ones that they were trying to

1:13:03 target. Maybe maybe don't pull the baby out with the bathwater, you know,

1:13:10 well hidden too many good people. Yeah, well, yeah, I

1:13:14 just take it more as a recognition that they've you know, well like like

1:13:17 people like me, you know who they've they've unfairly penalized with no apparent clue

1:13:25 or analysis of what's actually what the content actually is. They're dependent upon these

1:13:30 algorithms and these computer programs that aren't true judges of what a human being of

1:13:36 saying, maybe you know, it's the more human beings looking at this stuff.

1:13:43 Yeah, or well with you know, they probably there probably aren't the

1:13:46 human beings available to hire to look at this stuff. Or it's just too

1:13:49 big of a job. You can't police everybody. I don't know. But

1:13:54 with AI advances, you know, maybe maybe there will be more bots,

1:13:58 but more advanced bots. I don't know about that. I don't know.

1:14:00 All the stuff I'm hearing about AI stuff now got me pretty pretty concerned that

1:14:04 maybe we need to slow down reevaluate. Yeah, have some safeguards. So

1:14:14 I guess regardless of today's discussion about this, I will be able to put

1:14:17 today's show on YouTube. Yes, yes, for all intended purposes. It

1:14:23 seems that you will. Oh. Eric in the chat room says, yes,

1:14:27 I've taken my podcast over to rumble. I don't even talk politics.

1:14:30 According to the Fair Uses Act, content creators can use news clips if the

1:14:34 creator gives commentary on the clip. Facebook and YouTube don't follow that. Well

1:14:41 they there are ways to do it well Facebook, So don't you have to

1:14:47 like overtalk it or yeah, you know what I see a lot of people

1:14:50 on YouTube do is well if they're going to if they're commenting on somebody else's

1:14:55 content. The content is in a small window and kind of in the core,

1:15:00 and they're careful not to not to play. There's all kinds of tricks,

1:15:04 like you don't play too much of it without interrupting it or talking over

1:15:09 it. With Facebook, it's interesting because with Facebook, what happens to me

1:15:15 is, um, I will get a copyright claim on like say, for

1:15:21 example, we play a lot of independent music and local music, but on

1:15:26 this show. But that's what I prefer. But if I do play something

1:15:29 that's a national act, UM I might get might get sometimes a copyright claim,

1:15:34 but then I dispute the claim. I basically I say Facebook is really

1:15:39 good. Like Facebook almost always win, whereas with YouTube it's difficult. With

1:15:44 Facebook, I'll say I'll claim fair use and I say we are a federally

1:15:49 licensed FM. Radio station. Our show discusses news and current events, and

1:15:54 all content is used for that purpose, and most of the time time they

1:16:00 immediately remove the copyright claim on the video. If I say that I use

1:16:06 the same verbiage every time, most of the time they remove it immediately.

1:16:10 Facebook has been really good about that. And it's been a long time since

1:16:14 I got knocked off of Facebook during the show, Oh very long, because

1:16:17 that used to happen occasionally too. I would play something and then all of

1:16:21 a sudden, the Facebook feed would be interrupted. You know. Everything else

1:16:25 would still be going because we're on FM radio, but the Facebook feed would

1:16:28 get interrupted and I have to restart it. That hasn't happened in a really

1:16:30 long time, so that's gotten better. So I actually think Facebook has been

1:16:33 pretty good about it. But I just claim fair use on everything. But

1:16:38 YouTube has been a problem. But maybe that's about to improve. This might

1:16:42 be a stupid question, but I don't want to. I've seen a lot

1:16:45 of podcasters where they're they're doing like a reaction to this news story of what

1:16:49 have you, but they're playing a game at the same time, and the

1:16:54 game is up on the screen. Does that somehow protect them? I don't

1:16:58 think so, I think that's a Twitch thing. No, I see it

1:17:00 on YouTube, I know, but I think that's a Twitch thing that has

1:17:03 migrated to YouTube because because Twitch started as a gaming platform, and like,

1:17:11 there's, um, there's a guy named uh, well, I'll see Val

1:17:15 Stewart. Or there's another guy on YouTube named Destiny, whom his real name

1:17:21 is Stephen Bonnel or Bonnell, but he's actually his politics are a lot closer

1:17:27 to mine than than Vosh is our. Destiny's kind of a like a center

1:17:30 left guy. But but he's, um, he'll do that something like some

1:17:36 of his YouTube videos because because what I think he does is I think he

1:17:41 does them on Twitch, but then he uploads them to YouTube afterwards. So

1:17:44 he's live on Twitch, but then he takes it and uploads it to YouTube.

1:17:46 But a lot of his are like that. And he's so he's a

1:17:49 very very smart guy. So he's able to he's so smart and so quick,

1:17:54 he's able to play a game, a video game while having a political

1:17:58 debate with somebody. And it's really actually, if he's having an official debate

1:18:02 with someone, he's not gaming while debating them. But if he's just kind

1:18:05 of debating another streamer more casually. Yeah, he'll be playing a video game

1:18:13 while he debates them. But I think that started with Twitch because Twitch is

1:18:18 a That's really how Twitch started people streaming playing video games. But then politics

1:18:25 worked its way into it, and so now you have political commentators who play

1:18:28 video games or gamers who do some form of political commentary and discourse, and

1:18:33 you know, then they also have their YouTube channels. So I think that's

1:18:36 where that came from. So, yeah, it was just the thought because

1:18:41 you know, they's it gets tricky for podcasters to be able to do what

1:18:45 they're trying to do without getting booted. Oh you know one trick I've seen

1:18:50 recently changing the speed I've seen it. Yeah, yeah, so say,

1:18:57 for example, you know how on YouTube you can change the speed of the

1:19:00 video. Yeah, I've seen some YouTube streamers. They'll be commenting on someone

1:19:05 else's content on YouTube, and they will but they'll they'll speed it up.

1:19:10 It's especially useful. There's some people you can't do that with, like,

1:19:13 for example, if you're commenting on something Ben Shapiro has posted and you speed

1:19:16 it up, you're not going to know what he's saying because Ben Shapiro talks

1:19:19 too fast anyway, but if you're but if somebody like me, like I'm

1:19:24 not a particularly fast talker, I'm a medium talker. So um, you

1:19:29 know, if someone wanted to comment on something I was doing, they could

1:19:30 probably just speed it up a little bit. And what that does is so

1:19:34 you can you can comment on what the content is, you can cover more

1:19:40 ground more quickly because you're speeding through it. But also that evades them,

1:19:47 you know, the bots from catching you. Using somebody else's content would work

1:19:51 unless now then it gets into a whole other area though, because you could

1:19:57 use someone else's content and comment on it, and there's a million streamers who

1:20:01 do this, and then the person who's content you're using they file a claim

1:20:11 with YouTube and and then you get a strike for using their content. But

1:20:18 then you can appeal it and say, well, it's fair use because what

1:20:21 I'm doing is transformative because I'm actually commenting on their content. It gets all

1:20:26 it all gets very complicated, but I'll tell you it can be particularly harrowing

1:20:33 for just and I don't know from personal experience, but for YouTubers who have

1:20:41 thousands or tens of thousands or hundreds of thousands of subscribers and they're doing that,

1:20:45 you know, they're earning a living on YouTube, and then all of

1:20:49 a sudden one day, you know, because somebody makes a claim or a

1:20:55 YouTube bot see something they don't like, and all of a sudden, they've

1:20:58 got a problem with their channel. But that's their source of income, you

1:21:01 know, So it can it can really, uh, it can really screw

1:21:04 people over. And I guess all you can do is try to say ahead

1:21:06 of the rules as best you can. But you know, but the rules

1:21:11 always even the best of them to try to do it, they still get

1:21:14 things. Yeah, I really wish. I mean, what bothers me is

1:21:18 what does stay up? Yeah, that's what bothers me is that you know,

1:21:24 they go after these podcasters who are talking about a news story that's relevant

1:21:29 of the day, but somebody's viewing hate doesn't get shut down. Yeah,

1:21:35 and I know it's it's it's it's frustrating. By the way, Erica,

1:21:41 feel free to drop a link in the chat room. Oh yeah, if

1:21:43 you'd like to hawk your wares. As we say, if you want to

1:21:46 drop a link to your podcast, show us your podcasts, absolutely and we'll

1:21:49 check it out. We like to support everybody, absolutely, Um by the

1:21:54 way, Ian venom four in the chat room says, we say hashtag Jen.

1:21:58 We were just kidding with you about President Stuff and President Biden. We

1:22:02 say he is the man. We said hashtag Jen and hashtag Matt. My

1:22:08 goodness. Um, let's see um and Ian venom four also says, we

1:22:15 say that everyone will be excited for us. Oh wow, I'm already excited.

1:22:19 Uh six three two five six Z seven is the number six H three

1:22:23 two five six seven if you'd like to join us today on the studio line.

1:22:27 Um. Oh, I wanted to U touch on this. Uh.

1:22:31 I uh got into it just a little bit on Friday, but it was

1:22:34 a very busy show and I felt like there was a little bit more to

1:22:38 say, even though the issue is resolved for the moment. But as far

1:22:42 as the debt limit goes, um, uh, thank god they got a

1:22:48 deal and it passed. And uh oh. Eric's podcast is the Nano second

1:22:56 podcast, Nano second being two words. Um. Actually, you know what

1:23:00 here? Just so I don't lose it, I'm gonna go ahead and click

1:23:03 that link and get it sived. I just want to yeah, I just

1:23:10 want to make sure I don't I don't lose it in the you know,

1:23:12 every every once in a while, because as you know, sometimes you can

1:23:15 go back and look at the chat room after the show and some and some

1:23:17 of the comments are missing. So I wanted to make sure I had that.

1:23:20 Okay, I have that problem, I really do. Yeah. Yeah,

1:23:24 yeah, it's weird. So thank you Eric. We'll check that out

1:23:27 Nano second podcast. Thank you. Um. So, I was very relieved,

1:23:31 of course, that we avoided economic armageddon uh by not entering default.

1:23:40 Um. And uh, what I also wanted to say, though, is

1:23:44 well, I have some thoughts. First of all, I would like to

1:23:47 not to ever have to go through that again. So I really hope that

1:23:50 there is some sort of a movement and a sincere effort to look at just

1:23:56 getting rid of the debt limit once and for all, so we don't have

1:23:59 to go through this ever again. Obviously, we once again avoided calamity,

1:24:04 but even coming close as bad for the economy, and it's scary and it's

1:24:09 stressful, and I really thought that, uh, you know, we were

1:24:13 going to end up in a point. Look, by the way, and

1:24:15 part of why I'm talking about this, I have a little bit of a

1:24:17 little bit of a mea culpa. I want to just say to anyone who

1:24:21 was look, I was getting very I was getting very pessimistic about this,

1:24:28 and I try not to be. You know, I I love politics as

1:24:31 maddening as it can be, and I love talking about it, which is

1:24:34 a big part of why we do this show. But I if I dragged

1:24:40 anybody down or I put anybody in a bad mood with my my pessimism and

1:24:45 my negativity because I really did think there was a chance that we were going

1:24:48 to go over the fiscal cliff this time. I really did. I do.

1:24:54 I do apologize if if I brought anyone down with that I was.

1:24:57 I was more negative than usual, but you were being real. I was

1:25:01 real. I really did think that that this might be it. Yeah,

1:25:04 and and the h and economists across the board will tell you it would be

1:25:09 absolutely devastating. Um, don't listen to you know, Chip Roy from Texas.

1:25:14 You know he doesn't know what he's talking about. Who talked a good

1:25:16 talk, but his vote went different, didn't it. What do you mean?

1:25:19 I thought I heard something earlier that he actually didn't stick to his guns,

1:25:25 But I might be wrong. No, he did, And now and

1:25:27 now he wants to get McCarthy out of there, of course, Oh of

1:25:30 course, um no. But so I'm sorry to anyone who I might have

1:25:33 brought down. Um Having said that, so I want to say, um,

1:25:41 well, first of all, Kevin McCarthy, how speaker of Kevin McCarthy,

1:25:45 um U. I you know, I'm very critical of him for a

1:25:49 number of reasons, but I will say this, Uh, he did win

1:25:55 a little bit of respect from me. I almost can't believe I'm saying it,

1:25:59 but he got this done. And I really was skeptical that he could

1:26:03 that he could maneuver through this after watching him when he was elected speaker.

1:26:11 It was on the fifteenth vote where he was finally able to secure the speakership,

1:26:17 and you know, and I'm thinking, you know, he really had

1:26:20 to give away the store to get that. So this makes him a very

1:26:25 weak speaker. And I underestimated him in the sense that I thought that he

1:26:30 had underestimated just how difficult it was going to be to get this done in

1:26:34 the House when you've got these House Freedom Caucus members who he had to capitulate

1:26:42 to so much in those negotiations just to get enough support to squeak by and

1:26:46 be elected speaker. I thought that they had much more control over him,

1:26:51 and that he didn't realize how much control they had over him. So when

1:26:55 he said, you know, we're not going to default, I didn't believe

1:26:58 him. I thought he was in over his head. Dido, and I

1:27:01 also thought, and I said on the show, that I thought President Biden

1:27:04 was in over his head. I think on both points I was wrong,

1:27:08 and I was being overly pessimistic. Now, having said all that, there's

1:27:12 no excuse for any of this nonsense to begin with, and there's plenty of

1:27:15 blame to go around for all of this nonsense, and I blame both Biden

1:27:18 and McCarthy for their roles and that because we never should have gotten this close

1:27:24 to the edge to begin with, and there's no reason for it, and

1:27:27 there's no good excuse for it. But the adults in the room did prevail

1:27:32 and they got this done. They said they would, I'll be damned they

1:27:39 did. And then I got worried. So they got to a deal,

1:27:45 and then I got worried, as you knows, as you were concerned too

1:27:49 that well, so it actually passed the House. And this is where again

1:27:54 Kevin McCarthy, I I'll give him respect for this. He actually got a

1:27:59 larger vote in the House than was even expected. Three hundred thirteen I think

1:28:01 was the number. I agree. I didn't think it was going to be

1:28:04 that good. I didn't do it like a hundred more votes. Yeah,

1:28:08 I didn't think he could. I didn't think he could get that much.

1:28:11 I mean, I was hopeful that he could get enough to get it past.

1:28:14 I didn't think it would be by as large a margin as it was.

1:28:16 So again I say to him, well done, he delivered. He

1:28:21 did delivered. I know what. You know. You look at it and

1:28:24 it's like, what sliminess. You held the country over a cliff so you

1:28:30 could put work requirements. Oh, I know. No, it's it's wrong.

1:28:34 And that's why that's why this this needs to go away. You know

1:28:38 what it reminds me of. It reminds me of when Florida tried to do

1:28:41 this whole thing with welfare. Oh, you gonna do drug testing, We're

1:28:44 gonna try, We're gonna catch somebody or they spelt like a million dollars doing

1:28:47 it and they caught one person. That's what this is the equivalency of the

1:28:51 people who can't work are still going to be the same people who can't work.

1:28:56 They're you know, they're they're they're disabled oftentimes. Yeah, but I

1:29:01 mean that's the that's the hill they wanted to die on. Huh. That

1:29:05 was their big push, That was their big budget saving idea. Pretty crappy

1:29:11 in my book. Oh, I agree, I agree, But I was

1:29:15 but I was relieved that, you know that at least because the alternative,

1:29:18 oh my god, would have been economic disaster globally globally the way there were

1:29:24 some reports, I was we sorry reading about other countries that would collapse if

1:29:30 the United States. Oh yeah, the world depends on the American dollar.

1:29:35 Mortgages would go up, the interest rates would go insane, it would have

1:29:40 been it would have probably credit rating would go on the toilet some some economists,

1:29:44 and some economists say it would probably be worse than the Great Depression.

1:29:47 This was not something to fool around with. And this was not you know,

1:29:50 a government shutdown or whatever. This was something This is something for us

1:29:55 in the tents in the streets, because nobody can live in their home anymore.

1:29:57 They're evicted. Yeah, you cannot allow the United States ever to fault

1:30:00 on the full faith and credit so, um, you'd think they'd be more

1:30:04 protective over the military paychecks. I know, they seem to be so willing

1:30:11 to toss that they didn't care that the military would go out go without paychecks.

1:30:15 Well all of them, yeah, the whole military. Oh yeah,

1:30:19 no paycheck. Yeah, that's all right, throw the bus over them.

1:30:23 We want these people getting food steps to walk lazy, that's our hill.

1:30:30 Well, come on. So they got it done and then so they got

1:30:33 it through the House by a larger margin margin than I expected. So uh

1:30:38 so again, you know, I do offer ra kudos to Kevin McCarthy.

1:30:42 And then uh, and then I got nervous. We were nervous about the

1:30:45 Senate because in the Senate you had uh uh people trying to um amendments amendments,

1:30:54 yeah uh. And see the problem there is if someone had successfully had

1:30:59 enough, if one had actually had enough votes to get an amendment attached to

1:31:02 that bill, it would have gone back to the House and then the House

1:31:06 affiliation and when it happened, then the House would write, and there wasn't

1:31:11 time for that. So I was very relieved that it got to the to

1:31:15 the They were playing with fire. You're looking at the score at the score.

1:31:18 You're looking at the vote total forty eight fifty one. This is too

1:31:21 close to play with. Yeah, it is. All it would have taken

1:31:25 was a couple of people to get a hair across. They took us,

1:31:27 and you would have had an amendment and we would be over the cliff.

1:31:30 Yeah. Yeah, but playing games with our lives. And I don't like

1:31:35 it, but it got done. I did think it was kind of funny,

1:31:39 as as I did mention this on the show the other day. When

1:31:41 you that night, when you put the the from c Span or whatever it

1:31:45 was on the computer, you put the live feed on of the of them

1:31:48 voting, and you could hear Chuck Schumer sent a majority leader, Chuck Schumer

1:31:53 saying, all right, that that that because they were voting on the amendments.

1:31:57 All right, that one was ten and a half minutes. That's pretty

1:31:59 good. But let's get the next one down to ten. Let's keep this

1:32:00 going. Don't anyone leave. We gotta we gotta keep going. They passed

1:32:04 some kind they passed a rule to limit debate to ten minutes per amendment.

1:32:08 Yeah, which was a good move. Yeah. Yeah, it's a good

1:32:11 move because if they had enough they could have kept people going as long as

1:32:15 they could keep talking. Oh yeah, yeah, filibustering and the whole Yeah.

1:32:20 Yeah, then we go there, we go over the cliff military no

1:32:24 pitcheck, so thank god. So yeah, so Schumer made sure it got

1:32:27 done. So you know, kudos to him for key. I mean,

1:32:29 he was keeping the keeping the train rolling, you know. Uh so,

1:32:32 yeah, it actually ended up what was it by eleven o'clock, right,

1:32:36 they passed it. See, I think it was around ten o'clock when they

1:32:40 finally started taking the vote. Okay, I remember when you walked in and

1:32:44 you're looking at what I'm watching and you're like, oh, they're voting.

1:32:46 I'm like, nope, they've been the amendments and you were like, amendments,

1:32:50 Well, now many are there? Well? Yeah, I knew there

1:32:53 was going to be amendments, but I wasn't expecting look like, you're going

1:32:57 to like what I couldn't I said this eleven. I was eleven. I

1:33:00 was stunned. I had no idea there were that many. I was like,

1:33:03 oh God, and the votes being as close as they were on each

1:33:05 and every one of them for the most part, I mean, they were

1:33:09 playing, they were playing with our lives. So bad. Yeah, there's

1:33:13 no excuse for it, can't we We the people should be able to take

1:33:15 them up on ethics for doing that. Yeah, unethical behavior because they want

1:33:21 to get their special thing. They got to talk about their little idea.

1:33:26 They can't keep their mouth quiet and vote and get it done. We got

1:33:30 to be able to stand up and say, you need to hear my opinion

1:33:32 first. Yeah, prolonging the agony, and might I ask add spending a

1:33:41 ton of taxpayer dollars doing it? Republican conservative, my fiscal conservative, you

1:33:47 know which money they wasted? Come on? Yeah, while there was also

1:33:53 they're not the party they used to be, that's for sure. I mean,

1:33:56 even whether you agree to disagree with the way they used to be,

1:33:58 this current Republican version is just something out of a sci fi movie. Sometimes.

1:34:04 We also had in the Senate there was a Democrat Tim Kaine, who

1:34:09 of course had been Hillary Clinton's running mate in twenty sixteen, senator from Virginia.

1:34:16 He was mad because Senator Joe Mansion, also a Democrat, theoretically had

1:34:25 managed to get into the deal a pipeline that goes through not only West Virginia

1:34:30 but also Virginia, and Tim Kaine was mad that apparently nobody talked to him

1:34:34 about it, and he felt that that was not appropriate, that that being

1:34:39 the bill, uh, something that directly affects his state. So I'm in

1:34:43 the car and I'm hearing him being interviewed about that, about his amendment and

1:34:47 how he felt that. He was so upset. He wanted this, uh,

1:34:50 he wanted that taken out. He wanted to make sure that that got

1:34:55 taken out and that this goot sent back to the House. And I'm losing

1:34:59 my mind. I'm like this, we don't have time for this, dude.

1:35:02 I'm sorry your feelings are hurt, you know, do something about it

1:35:08 later. We can't. We don't have time for this now. At first,

1:35:14 it sounded like the Senate was going to wait until the next day to

1:35:16 maybe do their vote. Yeah, so I was really upset about that.

1:35:20 But then finally they said that they were going to stay in session. But

1:35:24 here and conquered in New Hampshire. That doesn't in New Hampshire. You can

1:35:28 be locked in chambers until the vote is done. Nobody goes home until we

1:35:31 finished the work. And that's how it That's how it ended up being in

1:35:35 the Senate. But they had to get pushed into it. They weren't going

1:35:39 to go there. They had to get pushed In the beginning, it was

1:35:42 like, oh, we'll get it tomorrow, No need to worry, no

1:35:45 read to rush. Oh yeah, nothing bad is going to happen, No

1:35:48 military paychecks, no so security. Yeah. Well, if anyone wants to

1:35:56 get in with a call, we do have a little bit of time left

1:35:59 today. Six ZO three two five six Z seven is a studio line six

1:36:03 zo three two five six Z seven. By the way, Eon Venom four

1:36:09 in the Facebook live chat is very excited about their upcoming karaoke event. Apparently,

1:36:13 uh, Eon Venom four says, we say that we will be dressing

1:36:15 cool as well for us hashtag Matt and hashtag Jen. Yeah, they're gonna

1:36:20 be dressing cool for the dress dressing hashtag cool. Yeah, like pull up

1:36:25 the collars and be like we're bad butts for karaoke. Yeah, very excited.

1:36:30 And look they're all great in Greensboro. They all dress well in Greensboro,

1:36:33 North Carolina. That's what I hear. Um, Well, we should

1:36:38 uh mention before we do run out of time. Of course, our governor,

1:36:44 Republican Chris Sinunu, has announced. It's more of an anti announcement in

1:36:48 a sense. He has announced that he will not be running for president.

1:36:56 Um so will he a run against Tassan or be stay in the governor's house.

1:37:03 I think he might run against Sasson. I think he's going to stay

1:37:06 in the government's house governor. We'll see. I mean, he does win

1:37:11 a re election pretty easily where he did. All of this about the presidency

1:37:15 is what makes me wonder if you would actually go there, because I know

1:37:18 they were trying to push him to do it last was it last year?

1:37:21 The last election they were trying to push him in running. I think that

1:37:27 in another time and if you and if Trump was not around, I think

1:37:32 he'd be a good candidate. I think he'd be a very good general election

1:37:38 candidate for the same reason he's popular in New Hampshire in terms of getting Independence

1:37:43 and Democrats to also vote for him. Um you know, I know there's

1:37:47 uh, there's there's things about him that bother you, and there's things about

1:37:50 him that bother me as well. I like how he's been towards Trump lately.

1:37:55 But yeah, I I but I yeah, I appreciate so he to

1:37:59 me though un to me, is kind of like the anti De Santis,

1:38:02 because De Santis is very like DeSantis clearly is not interested in having a big

1:38:09 tent Republican party. Well, he's he's still the right of Trump in some

1:38:14 ways. I don't remember Trump ever being as you know, like anti LGBTQ.

1:38:18 Is Santas the Diary of Ann Frank, Yeah, there's I mean,

1:38:24 DeSantis is like the culture war on steroids with this guy, and Sinunu is

1:38:30 more just you know, it's people wonder why, in spite of the things

1:38:36 that I've taken issue with about Chris and Nunu, why I kind of still

1:38:41 dig him in some ways as he reminds me or he makes me believe that

1:38:46 there still could be a Republican party that's not so angry and grievance driven and

1:38:54 uh, you know all this anti woke stuff and all this because I don't

1:38:58 I don't hear him doing any that. He's a much more positive He's like

1:39:01 someone a Republican, the kind of Republican who wants a big tent, who

1:39:05 wants to bring people in, whereas De Santis is like, hey, if

1:39:09 you don't agree with me and you're not anti woke, if you know even

1:39:12 can explain what that means. I'm pushing you out like de Santist is almost

1:39:15 like if you're not with me, I don't want your vote anyway because I

1:39:17 think you're awful and go away. Whereas Sinunu is more of the Yeah,

1:39:21 we want a big tent. We want to bring people in with different ideas

1:39:24 and different viewpoints. And there are times when you hear him talk and he

1:39:27 kind of wonder is he trying to bring the Republican Party back from Trump?

1:39:31 He did add in his announcement that he wasn't going to run for president that

1:39:35 he added it was more important to defeat Trump. Yeah, he seems to

1:39:40 be convinced, which I thought was really I like that. I like the

1:39:44 fact that he stood up to Trump and has been calling it as he sees

1:39:47 it lately. Well, actually I have here. This is from media eyed.

1:39:50 So this is what Sunu said to Dana Bash on CNN. So Dana

1:39:58 Bash asked him if he the nominee, referring to Trump, will the Democrats

1:40:00 win? And Sinunu said, oh, yeah, he can't win. In

1:40:03 November of twenty four, the math is shown Donald Trump has no chance of

1:40:08 winning in November of twenty four, he won't even win Georgia. If you're

1:40:12 a Republican that can't win Georgia in November of twenty four, you have no

1:40:15 shot. And he's proven that. Not only has he proven that, but

1:40:18 the candidates he gets behind in a good conservative state like Georgia lose the race.

1:40:24 His messaging doesn't translate. It does well with a heart and by the

1:40:28 way, I agree with him on this part. It does well with a

1:40:30 hardcore thirty to thirty five percent base, but he loses everybody beyond that,

1:40:35 and no one is undecided about the former president. There's no one out there

1:40:40 going, well, maybe I might consider voting for him, you know where

1:40:44 you are. He's a known commodity, and so the math doesn't add up.

1:40:47 If Republicans nominate him, then we're saying a vote for him in the

1:40:51 primary is effectively a vote for Joe Biden. I mean, that's ultimately how

1:40:56 the math will play out. I think I agree, really do agree.

1:41:00 I agree, especially now in Georgia the situation there, he ended up making

1:41:05 a lot of enemies, a lot of enemies. I mean, he's he's

1:41:11 accused of the entire government of Georgia of throwing the election to the Biden.

1:41:15 They all cheated him, those women that he put on everybody's radar the election,

1:41:23 and they've been all over the talk circuit. You know, people in

1:41:26 Georgia know that their poll workers were put on himless. Yeah, I think

1:41:31 he really nailed the coffin, if you will, in Georgia by going off.

1:41:36 And plus we don't know, we're still waiting to see what's going to

1:41:40 happen with the cases that they're running there, the criminal cases and the investigations

1:41:45 going on in Georgia. That's going to change things too, because that still

1:41:47 hasn't come out, but it will, right probably within a few months.

1:41:53 I'm thinking, yes, yeah, the summer. Yeah, all right,

1:41:59 we gotta wrap up. Thank you, Thank you Jenny and everyone who called

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