Matt Connarton Unleashed 7-19-25 hour 2

0:00 Speaker 1: Wm n H will rip the knob off?

0:13 Speaker 2: What's that sound? What's that sound? Get out my way?

0:16 Speaker 3: O burns down Maxie, scream and shout, and I'll.

0:20 Speaker 4: Turn this town around.

0:23 Speaker 5: Stop and look this way. I made some insupicious. What

0:26 Speaker 5: I say is what I say, And this is a travesty.

0:30 Speaker 5: The earth is trying to now and you don't see

0:32 Speaker 5: the tragedy. It's all blurring all it's one and dies

0:36 Speaker 5: a blinded. We think it's typical, but that's just cause

0:40 Speaker 5: we're so shallow.

0:41 Speaker 3: My dad, what's that sound? What's that sound? Get out

0:45 Speaker 3: of my way?

0:46 Speaker 2: Oh burns down Maxie and scream.

0:49 Speaker 5: And shout, and I turn this town around, pe everywhere,

0:55 Speaker 5: pivot your parts and nurture and to care for this

0:59 Speaker 5: world of ice.

1:00 Speaker 2: I believe the earth will no longer fall apart.

1:05 Speaker 5: We can do little Bax cut and find a pistol

1:11 Speaker 5: less forever.

1:13 Speaker 6: What's it sound?

1:14 Speaker 2: What's it sound?

1:15 Speaker 7: Get down my way?

1:16 Speaker 2: I burns down, Mixie and scream.

1:19 Speaker 3: And show pan outs on this town round. What's it sound?

1:23 Speaker 2: What's it sound?

1:25 Speaker 6: Get down my way?

1:26 Speaker 2: I burns down Bixie and scream.

1:29 Speaker 3: And shower pan outs on this town around.

1:37 Speaker 1: What's it town? Turn?

1:41 Speaker 5: This Town round?

1:46 Speaker 2: What's it sound?

1:51 Speaker 6: What's it sound?

1:52 Speaker 1: What's it sound?

1:54 Speaker 6: Down? Alway?

1:54 Speaker 7: I pun down.

1:56 Speaker 5: Basie and scream and shower head.

1:59 Speaker 3: I'll turn this well sound what's sounds down?

2:05 Speaker 2: Makes stream the shop?

2:08 Speaker 7: And how t is time?

2:22 Speaker 8: That is Turn This Town Around, the debut single from Lydia.

2:26 Speaker 8: Ready here and this is Matt Connorton Unleashed. We are

2:28 Speaker 8: live from the studios of w m n H ninety

2:31 Speaker 8: five point three FM and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire, and

2:34 Speaker 8: of course you can stream the show from anywhere. Matt

2:36 Speaker 8: connorton dot com. Slash Live. Jenny is here as well,

2:39 Speaker 8: of course and joining us via Microsoft Teams. Let's see Lydia.

2:44 Speaker 8: Are you there? Yes, Amia, Hello, Hey, welcome to the program.

2:48 Speaker 8: Good to speak with you. Thanks for having me, absolutely

2:51 Speaker 8: absolutely so. We love that song, very very catchy. Of course,

2:55 Speaker 8: Turn This Town Around and this is your debut single, correct, Yes,

3:00 Speaker 8: is very good? And where are you from?

3:03 Speaker 4: I'm from Blackburn in England?

3:05 Speaker 8: Okay, wonderful? Yeah, no, there's there's so much great music

3:09 Speaker 8: coming out of that part of the world and I'm

3:12 Speaker 8: curious too, So this is are you. I was listening

3:17 Speaker 8: to a podcast of you being interviewed on another show. Now,

3:20 Speaker 8: are you currently in school as well? Are you in college?

3:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm in college, but we've just started some holidays.

3:27 Speaker 8: Oh okay, okay, very good. So you've got a lot

3:29 Speaker 8: going on. You're you're obviously very busy, uh, you know,

3:32 Speaker 8: with your education and the music career.

3:35 Speaker 4: Yeah.

3:35 Speaker 8: But uh, but it's cool that, uh, you know, you

3:38 Speaker 8: come out of the gate with a very strong track,

3:41 Speaker 8: and like I said, it's very catchy. But I also

3:43 Speaker 8: I'm curious to know more about the lyrics because you know,

3:46 Speaker 8: the first time when we first got this song, I

3:49 Speaker 8: was listening to it and it's like, oh, yeah, it's

3:50 Speaker 8: really catchy, it's fun and whatnot. But then the second

3:52 Speaker 8: time I listened to it, I was paying a little

3:53 Speaker 8: bit more attention to the lyrics, and it sounds like

3:55 Speaker 8: there's there's a deeper meaning to this, you know, and

3:58 Speaker 8: you're expressing some some concern about things. And I wanted

4:01 Speaker 8: to ask you about about what the song really means,

4:04 Speaker 8: because I kind of feel like it might not necessarily

4:07 Speaker 8: mean what I thought it meant the first time I

4:10 Speaker 8: listened to it, If that makes sense. Yeah, okay, So.

4:16 Speaker 9: The song is about making a difference the sound that

4:20 Speaker 9: you hear about in the chorus is actually a metaphorical sound,

4:23 Speaker 9: is kind of a call to action, and it's pretty

4:27 Speaker 9: much shay in stop how you live your dead to

4:29 Speaker 9: day life and try to live in a way that

4:31 Speaker 9: will help the earth rather than hinder it.

4:33 Speaker 4: So that's kind of the message behind the song.

4:36 Speaker 8: Yeah, I like that, and I like that very much

4:38 Speaker 8: and when you say that too. But so when you

4:40 Speaker 8: say help the earth, do you mean in a general

4:44 Speaker 8: sense in terms of what you put out into the world.

4:46 Speaker 8: Are you talking specifically environmentally or maybe both or maybe

4:51 Speaker 8: a myriad of things. I don't know, Like when you

4:53 Speaker 8: expand on that, if you would a little bit, like

4:55 Speaker 8: when you talk about helping the earth.

4:58 Speaker 9: Yeah, So when I originally wrote the song, I had

5:01 Speaker 9: the idea of, like the lyrics, lights a blurring into

5:04 Speaker 9: one and our eyes are blinded. That's kind of the

5:07 Speaker 9: lights are lights from all this technology.

5:09 Speaker 4: Around us, and our eyes are being blinded.

5:12 Speaker 9: Because of that to the bigger impacts that living in

5:16 Speaker 9: this way has on the earth. So it is mostly environmental,

5:19 Speaker 9: but it's also thinking about how you can change in

5:21 Speaker 9: ways that you may not think will affect the environment,

5:24 Speaker 9: and just become more knowledgeable about the earth in general

5:28 Speaker 9: and what's harm in it.

5:29 Speaker 8: What I think is interesting about that is because that's

5:32 Speaker 8: a pretty serious message, but it's a fun, catchy song,

5:35 Speaker 8: and I feel like that's that's a pretty effective way. Historically,

5:41 Speaker 8: you see this in music where if you can, it's

5:45 Speaker 8: almost a trojan horse because maybe somebody, maybe somebody thinks

5:49 Speaker 8: they don't want to hear a serious, important message, but

5:52 Speaker 8: then they hear a song that is catchy and kind

5:56 Speaker 8: of infectious, and so they're getting the message without realizing

6:00 Speaker 8: that they're getting the message, and they're you know, sometimes

6:03 Speaker 8: you'll you'll hear you'll hear something that's kind of fun,

6:06 Speaker 8: but but there's there's a serious message in there, and

6:09 Speaker 8: and so by by it's sort of a I think

6:12 Speaker 8: an effective delivery system for getting someone's attention and saying, hey,

6:16 Speaker 8: here's something I want you to think about. It's in

6:18 Speaker 8: It's in a package that's gonna get stuck in your head.

6:21 Speaker 8: You know, you're gonna once you hear the song, you're

6:23 Speaker 8: gonna be playing it over and over in your mind

6:25 Speaker 8: because it's so catchy, but there's some pretty important information

6:28 Speaker 8: here that you're also getting. If only on a subconscious level, right?

6:32 Speaker 8: I mean, is that is that kind of your approach

6:34 Speaker 8: to creating a song like this, or you're going into

6:35 Speaker 8: it thinking, Okay, I've got I've got something important to

6:38 Speaker 8: say here, but I'm going to deliver it in a

6:40 Speaker 8: way that people are going to be open to receiving it.

6:44 Speaker 9: Yeah, that's very much far thought, because I'm thinking, Yeah,

6:48 Speaker 9: like you said, there's a lot of times if you

6:49 Speaker 9: think it's just gonna be all serious and you're not

6:51 Speaker 9: gonna want to listen to it. So I thought, how

6:53 Speaker 9: can I make this is a perfect mix between being

6:56 Speaker 9: touchy being something that kind of make it so you

6:59 Speaker 9: want to know more, which is why I kind of

7:00 Speaker 9: did the whole what's that sound?

7:02 Speaker 4: You never really know, you never get the answer.

7:04 Speaker 9: It makes you want to find out more, which would

7:06 Speaker 9: hopefully help the listener than want to engage in health

7:10 Speaker 9: in the more because they've had to kind of work

7:12 Speaker 9: to find out what the answer is in a way.

7:14 Speaker 8: Mm hmmmmm. No, I like that. Now, what's what's your

7:18 Speaker 8: long term plan? Because I'm curious, obviously this is your

7:22 Speaker 8: debut single. Do you intend to release more singles? Do

7:25 Speaker 8: you are? Are you thinking about doing an EP or

7:27 Speaker 8: an album or are you just kind of focused on

7:30 Speaker 8: the moment, uh with turning this down around?

7:34 Speaker 4: So I have got.

7:35 Speaker 9: Other songs that are going to be recorded. I'm actually

7:38 Speaker 9: in the recording studio next Tuesday and Wednesday, and I'm

7:42 Speaker 9: recording content for my upcoming single the Way We're Rolling

7:46 Speaker 9: on Monday. So I've currently recorded fight No, I've currently

7:52 Speaker 9: recorded for including the one that's already out. So I'm

7:55 Speaker 9: going into record fifth. Okay, it's going to be a

7:58 Speaker 9: five track EP that comes out. That's going to be

8:00 Speaker 9: my debut EP. There'll be three single singles on that

8:04 Speaker 9: and then two that come out separately, and then following that,

8:07 Speaker 9: I've got this big idea I'm going to do kind

8:11 Speaker 9: of the Elements is EPs, so Fire, Earth, Water, and Air.

8:15 Speaker 8: Oh.

8:15 Speaker 9: Then, for example, Fire is going to be all my rocky,

8:18 Speaker 9: angry songs. Water is going to be my sad songs,

8:22 Speaker 9: and Earth is kind of going to be my kind

8:24 Speaker 9: of togetherness songs. And I have got some more songs

8:29 Speaker 9: about the Earth and that kind of thing. And then

8:30 Speaker 9: Air I'm not sure it'll be calm without being sad.

8:34 Speaker 9: And then I'm going to put them all into an

8:35 Speaker 9: album with a few extra tracks called in my Element

8:39 Speaker 9: very cool.

8:40 Speaker 8: So yeah, so when I asked you that question, I

8:42 Speaker 8: didn't know. I didn't know, if you know, like I said,

8:44 Speaker 8: because you're kind of just just starting out with this,

8:47 Speaker 8: and plus you're you're also getting an education, so I

8:51 Speaker 8: didn't know if maybe you were just gonna be like, oh, no,

8:53 Speaker 8: you know, just kind of feeling my way through it.

8:55 Speaker 8: But it turns out you've got a whole You've got

8:56 Speaker 8: a whole plan, which I think is great. And I

8:58 Speaker 8: think that that level of planning is going to really

9:02 Speaker 8: help you succeed, you know, because so many people and

9:05 Speaker 8: creative people, we tend to do this, will will kind

9:08 Speaker 8: of throw some things against the wall and see what

9:11 Speaker 8: sticks and just try to kind of feel our way

9:13 Speaker 8: through it. But but I think to succeed in the

9:16 Speaker 8: music industry, it really helps if you actually have a plan,

9:20 Speaker 8: and you clearly have a plan. So I think that's

9:22 Speaker 8: I think that's fantastic. Do you know, I mean, do

9:26 Speaker 8: you have an ETA? And maybe you mentioned it in

9:29 Speaker 8: there and I didn't catch it, but do you know,

9:31 Speaker 8: like when we'll see the next or hear the next

9:34 Speaker 8: the next bit of music that you put out?

9:37 Speaker 9: Yes, So Originally I had said I'll do it exactly

9:42 Speaker 9: two months after the first song, but then I thought

9:44 Speaker 9: that's in.

9:44 Speaker 4: The middle of the summer holidays, so no one will

9:46 Speaker 4: listen to it.

9:47 Speaker 9: So'net release the first week that I go back to college,

9:50 Speaker 9: which is I'm not sure on the day, but it's

9:53 Speaker 9: the week commencing.

9:55 Speaker 4: I don't know, it's around the first September. It's that week.

9:57 Speaker 4: I go back to college on the fourth.

9:58 Speaker 9: Of September, gotcha, So I'll probably release it on the

10:02 Speaker 9: fifth because that's the friday. I go back on the Thursday,

10:04 Speaker 9: so that'll be my next song. It's a similar kind

10:06 Speaker 9: of vibe, but most people have played it to actually

10:09 Speaker 9: prefer it to the first one, so hopefully everyone likes

10:12 Speaker 9: that one.

10:13 Speaker 4: Cool, and then I'm just going to try to do

10:15 Speaker 4: them every two months until.

10:19 Speaker 9: So for my next year, on my eighteenth birthday, instead

10:22 Speaker 9: of having a big party or anything, I'm going to

10:25 Speaker 9: put on a gig, a headline one in Manchester because

10:29 Speaker 9: that's the nearest city to where I live.

10:30 Speaker 8: Okay, and yeah, I'm hoping.

10:33 Speaker 9: To have my first EP out and on the merch

10:36 Speaker 9: est by then, so everything will definitely be out by

10:38 Speaker 9: next April, probably with a few from the next EP

10:41 Speaker 9: as well.

10:41 Speaker 8: Oh fantastic. Yeah, you really do have a plan. That's

10:44 Speaker 8: that's excellent. I'm curious, by the way, what's your major?

10:46 Speaker 8: Is it anything music related or performance related?

10:50 Speaker 1: Yeah?

10:50 Speaker 9: So I'm currently doing two A levels and a B Tech.

10:53 Speaker 9: I'm not sure if you do them in America, but

10:58 Speaker 9: A levels I'm doing English language and psychology, and then

11:02 Speaker 9: from a BETECH I'm doing music performance.

11:05 Speaker 8: Okay, so it sounds like what what we would call

11:08 Speaker 8: in America that you know, one is your major and

11:10 Speaker 8: the other is your minor. So you're so you're you're

11:13 Speaker 8: majoring and what did you say it was?

11:14 Speaker 1: Again, it's not.

11:16 Speaker 4: It's not really like that.

11:17 Speaker 9: You just kind of do the three and then it's

11:19 Speaker 9: a university you specialize in something.

11:21 Speaker 8: Oh, I see it at college.

11:23 Speaker 4: It's all a bit different.

11:24 Speaker 8: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm kind.

11:26 Speaker 4: Of doing all all three equally. When I got from

11:29 Speaker 4: the university.

11:30 Speaker 9: I'll start university next year, so this time next year

11:33 Speaker 9: I'll be getting ready to go and I'm hoping to

11:35 Speaker 9: go on to do PR and journalism.

11:37 Speaker 8: Oh good, good, okay, I get it. Okay, very cool,

11:40 Speaker 8: very cool. That's that's excellent. Yeah. Yeah, And now in

11:43 Speaker 8: terms of recording, uh, where did you where did you

11:46 Speaker 8: record Turn this down Around? Because again, we live in

11:50 Speaker 8: an era where you know, you can you can record

11:53 Speaker 8: in so many different ways, as I know just from

11:56 Speaker 8: talking to other guests who we've had, uh from over there,

11:59 Speaker 8: that there's you know, no shortage of recording studios, just

12:02 Speaker 8: like in America there's there's recording studios you can or

12:04 Speaker 8: you can record at home, or you can do it.

12:06 Speaker 8: You know, you can send tracks back and forth with somebody.

12:09 Speaker 8: How did you record Turn This Town Around?

12:12 Speaker 4: So?

12:13 Speaker 9: Turn This Town Around was recorded at Clubhouse Studio. When

12:17 Speaker 9: I actually recorded Turn This Town Around, they were in

12:21 Speaker 9: the process of moving to a new studio space, so

12:24 Speaker 9: at that time they didn't have a permanent studio, so

12:26 Speaker 9: we actually recorded it in they're called Imogen and James.

12:30 Speaker 9: We recorded it in a shed in their back garden.

12:32 Speaker 9: That was their temporary studio.

12:34 Speaker 1: Oh wow, but she'd never know.

12:35 Speaker 9: Because you hear that compared to the other songs I've

12:37 Speaker 9: got from them, and they all sound the same. Yeah,

12:40 Speaker 9: but yeah, we recorded that one in a shed, but

12:42 Speaker 9: then the other ones they've got their permanent place now

12:46 Speaker 9: in Blackburn, it's absolutely incredible. They've got the studio that

12:49 Speaker 9: they run, and then they're also hiring out another little

12:51 Speaker 9: space to another recording engineer. That the people who have

12:56 Speaker 9: recorded all of my brother's songs in the past for

12:59 Speaker 9: years and years now, so we.

13:00 Speaker 4: Know them really well and they're really good at all

13:02 Speaker 4: they do.

13:03 Speaker 8: Now, I didn't want to ask about your brother too,

13:06 Speaker 8: because I was listening to a podcast that you were

13:08 Speaker 8: on and you were talking about your brother. And it's

13:09 Speaker 8: funny because when the subject first came up, my first

13:14 Speaker 8: thought was, and I don't know if I'm the first

13:15 Speaker 8: one to ever say this to you, but my first

13:17 Speaker 8: thought was, oh, is this a Billie Eilish kind of

13:19 Speaker 8: thing where your brother, you know, does a lot of

13:21 Speaker 8: the production and plays the instruments and whatnot. But I

13:24 Speaker 8: but actually, but then listening to it further, it sounds

13:26 Speaker 8: like you work separately, right or maybe not? Is he involved?

13:30 Speaker 8: Is he directly involved in anything that you're doing musically?

13:34 Speaker 9: So we don't write the songs together. But he is

13:36 Speaker 9: a better guitarist than me. He can play bass, he

13:39 Speaker 9: can do pretty much any instrument. He's a little bit

13:41 Speaker 9: better than me. So he goes the recorded studio and

13:43 Speaker 9: always records the instruments for me.

13:45 Speaker 8: Just bet that's cool.

13:48 Speaker 4: Apart from the drums.

13:49 Speaker 9: We have James who worked at the studio or he's

13:51 Speaker 9: a professional drummer, so he always puts the drums on

13:53 Speaker 9: my track.

13:54 Speaker 8: Is it helpful having your brother involved in the sense

13:58 Speaker 8: that because you're sibling, you know, sometimes siblings have kind

14:01 Speaker 8: of a an intuitive connection, uh when it comes to music.

14:06 Speaker 8: I mean, do you do you do you find that

14:08 Speaker 8: with him? Like, like, if you're trying to convey an

14:11 Speaker 8: idea to him, is it is it easy for him

14:13 Speaker 8: to get it because he's already kind of thinking, you're

14:16 Speaker 8: kind of thinking on that same wavelength.

14:19 Speaker 4: It usually is quite easy.

14:20 Speaker 9: I'll just kind of sometimes I'll have something in my

14:23 Speaker 9: head and it's to say. With some of my mates

14:25 Speaker 9: who are musicians, I'll go, right, I want it.

14:27 Speaker 4: Stud like this, do do do?

14:29 Speaker 3: Do? Do?

14:29 Speaker 1: Do do do?

14:30 Speaker 4: And then they just play it on guitar and I'm like,

14:31 Speaker 4: how did you do that? I can only play cards?

14:34 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. But yeah, no,

14:37 Speaker 8: that that's great though? That that now does he also

14:40 Speaker 8: he also does his own music, correct he does? Yes, yeah,

14:43 Speaker 8: what kind of music does he do. Is it more

14:45 Speaker 8: of a kind of a rock thing or what.

14:49 Speaker 4: So for years he's been doing kind of indie pop rock.

14:51 Speaker 9: Okay, well, he's started university last year, so what he's

14:56 Speaker 9: done is he's kind of taken a year off music

14:58 Speaker 9: properly just to kind of get to Uni. But now

15:00 Speaker 9: he's got two years after you in the and he's

15:03 Speaker 9: properly going for his music again. He's on a music

15:06 Speaker 9: management court and he's got the opportunity to manage himself,

15:08 Speaker 9: so he can do a lot of it during his

15:10 Speaker 9: last time as well. So he's decided to do a

15:14 Speaker 9: new vibe of music because he's always kind of liked

15:16 Speaker 9: his songs, but it's never been the kind of thing

15:17 Speaker 9: he'd listened to.

15:18 Speaker 4: He was trying to appeal to an audience.

15:20 Speaker 9: But now he's decided to write the stuff that he

15:22 Speaker 9: listens to, which is, oh so many random people, kind

15:26 Speaker 9: of sleep Token, Bring Me the Horizon, Don Broca, and

15:33 Speaker 9: Too Shakhari.

15:34 Speaker 4: He's saying that he's.

15:35 Speaker 9: Doing folk metal, which has never really been done before.

15:39 Speaker 9: He's trying to merge those two genres. So it's kind

15:42 Speaker 9: of frank ternery but also kind of metal, and it

15:45 Speaker 9: sounds really, really cool.

15:46 Speaker 8: Oh I'm curious. Yeah, very interesting, very interesting.

15:50 Speaker 4: I've never heard anything like it.

15:52 Speaker 9: I've seen heard bits like it, but never anything like

15:55 Speaker 9: that that he's come up with, so it's really impressive.

15:58 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, ccellent, excellent. Now are you are you again?

16:04 Speaker 8: I know this is your first single, but are you

16:05 Speaker 8: performing live at all? Are you? Have you done this

16:08 Speaker 8: song live or is that is that part of your

16:10 Speaker 8: playing down the road?

16:13 Speaker 4: So yeah, I have performed it live a few times.

16:15 Speaker 9: Earlier in the year, I played the after All Festival,

16:18 Speaker 9: which is the biggest grassroots festival in Manchester, and that

16:23 Speaker 9: was really cool. I didn't expect anyone to turn up

16:26 Speaker 9: because I was quite early in the day as it

16:27 Speaker 9: was my first ever set of all originals, but I

16:30 Speaker 9: actually ended up having sixty to eighty people in the

16:33 Speaker 9: room and quite a few people that I knew as well,

16:36 Speaker 9: which was really nice who came to see me who

16:39 Speaker 9: were doing their own sets later in the day.

16:41 Speaker 4: So I've performed there. That was the main one.

16:43 Speaker 9: But then also I get to do a lot of

16:45 Speaker 9: college performances and various pub gigs. If they something I

16:50 Speaker 9: usually stick to covers at pubs, but if they seem

16:52 Speaker 9: like they'd be nice and let me do one of

16:54 Speaker 9: my own.

16:55 Speaker 4: Then I'll stick that in.

16:56 Speaker 8: Oh that's cool. Do you so when you do that?

16:59 Speaker 8: Do you do you do covers and then you you

17:01 Speaker 8: also include this song? Or how does that work?

17:04 Speaker 4: Yeah?

17:05 Speaker 9: So I'd say the average gig is two forty five

17:07 Speaker 9: minute sets. Yeah, so usually put one original in each set.

17:14 Speaker 8: Yeah.

17:14 Speaker 9: Well sometimes if you can tell it's one it's a

17:17 Speaker 9: really hyper audience that just wants to hear bangrafter bang

17:20 Speaker 9: of songs that they know that they can sing along to,

17:22 Speaker 9: then I'll just call it the originals.

17:23 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, no, I yeah, I understand. Yeah that makes sense. Now,

17:30 Speaker 8: by the way, is there a video for Turn the

17:31 Speaker 8: Sound Around? Or is it just the single?

17:36 Speaker 4: No, there isn't a video for that one.

17:37 Speaker 9: We're thinking we'll get a video for one of the

17:40 Speaker 9: songs from the EP, but I'm not sure which one yet.

17:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I might.

17:44 Speaker 9: I might make a YouTube channel and do a lyric

17:46 Speaker 9: video for it, or maybe just even record myself lip syncing.

17:50 Speaker 4: So there's something there, but nothing proper.

17:52 Speaker 8: I think doing a lyric video for Turn the Sound

17:55 Speaker 8: Around is a really good idea, because again, that's that's

17:57 Speaker 8: a way too Like I said, if somebody likes the

18:00 Speaker 8: song and then they watched the lyric video and then

18:01 Speaker 8: it's like, you know, like we were talking about earlier,

18:03 Speaker 8: they're kind of getting the message. There's an important message

18:05 Speaker 8: there being conveyed through a song that's that's kind of

18:08 Speaker 8: fun and catchy. So I think that's great. So Lydia,

18:12 Speaker 8: I really appreciate you joining us this morning. We'll let

18:15 Speaker 8: you go in a moment, and I think we'll to

18:16 Speaker 8: end the segment. We'll give turn this Town around another

18:18 Speaker 8: spin for people who are just joining us. But please

18:22 Speaker 8: tell us where is the best place for people to

18:24 Speaker 8: go to keep up with everything that you're doing, so

18:26 Speaker 8: they can keep an eye out for new music as

18:28 Speaker 8: has come in. Like I said, you've got a lot

18:30 Speaker 8: of new stuff coming up in the future, so we

18:32 Speaker 8: want to make sure people know where should they go

18:34 Speaker 8: online to keep up with Lydia Ready.

18:38 Speaker 9: So to see myself, I've got an Instagram, Facebook, and

18:42 Speaker 9: TikTok all under Lydia Ready music ready.

18:45 Speaker 4: To spell r E D d hy.

18:48 Speaker 9: I do have a Twitter, but I barely have a

18:50 Speaker 9: post on it, so maybe don't go on that understood?

18:54 Speaker 8: Gotcha? Very good? Very good? All right, Lydia, we will

18:57 Speaker 8: let you go again. Thank you so much. We will

18:58 Speaker 8: definitely do this again in the Yeah, we'll definitely do

19:01 Speaker 8: this again in the future as you as you release

19:03 Speaker 8: your music. So love what you're doing. And we will

19:06 Speaker 8: close this segment with again we're gonna play turn this

19:09 Speaker 8: Town Around, your debut single, and Lydia thank you so much.

19:13 Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.

19:14 Speaker 8: See you got it all right? Bye bye, all right,

19:17 Speaker 8: that was Lydia ready and here it is if you

19:19 Speaker 8: missed it again, this is called turn this town around?

19:31 Speaker 2: What's that sound? What's that sound? It out our way?

19:34 Speaker 2: A burns down? Make see scream and shout, hand out,

19:38 Speaker 2: turn this.

19:39 Speaker 3: Town around, stop and look this way.

19:43 Speaker 5: I made some use officials. What us see is what

19:45 Speaker 5: I see, and this is a travesty. The earth is

19:48 Speaker 5: Try to now and you don't see the tragedy. It's

19:51 Speaker 5: a blurring al it's one and I is a blinded.

19:55 Speaker 5: We think it's typical, but that's just cars.

19:58 Speaker 1: What's so shallow?

19:59 Speaker 6: Mine? Dad?

20:00 Speaker 3: What's that sound? What's that sound? Get out my way

20:04 Speaker 3: or burns down? Mixie and scream and shout and I'll.

20:08 Speaker 2: Turn this town round. Peep everywhere.

20:13 Speaker 5: Pivot your parts and nurture, ant care for this world

20:17 Speaker 5: of ours.

20:18 Speaker 2: I believe the earth will no longer fall apart.

20:23 Speaker 1: We can do.

20:23 Speaker 5: Little back to Cather and find a piece of less forever.

20:31 Speaker 6: What's that sound?

20:32 Speaker 1: What's it sound?

20:33 Speaker 6: O my way?

20:34 Speaker 2: O burns down, mixie and scream.

20:37 Speaker 5: And shout, pan out, turn this town round?

20:40 Speaker 2: What's it sound? What's it sound?

20:42 Speaker 6: And get out my way?

20:44 Speaker 3: Or burns down, mixie and scream and shout, pan out

20:48 Speaker 3: on this town around?

20:55 Speaker 2: What's itun?

20:59 Speaker 1: Turn this?

21:04 Speaker 2: What's that sounds?

21:09 Speaker 1: It sounds sound?

21:13 Speaker 3: Puts down, bakesy and scream and shout. And also on

21:17 Speaker 3: this town around, wells it sound? What's it sound? Moy

21:22 Speaker 3: booms down, bakesy, scream and shout.

21:26 Speaker 6: And also on this town round.

21:40 Speaker 8: There it is? That is Lydia already turned this town

21:43 Speaker 8: around a great track, and we look forward to hearing

21:46 Speaker 8: more from her in the future. And sounds like yeah

21:48 Speaker 8: like I like I said to uh to Lydia, you

21:51 Speaker 8: know she's got a she's got a really detailed long

21:53 Speaker 8: term plan, which is great. I was impressed because you

21:55 Speaker 8: don't see that a lot. I love that song, you know,

21:58 Speaker 8: in terms of oh yeah, absolutely, especially kind of knowing

22:02 Speaker 8: realizing because like I said, I didn't I guess the

22:05 Speaker 8: first time I listened to it, I didn't pay close

22:07 Speaker 8: enough attention of the lyrics. And then I listened to

22:09 Speaker 8: it again and I was like, Oh, this is something more,

22:13 Speaker 8: something more going on here. But there's let's see, we're

22:18 Speaker 8: gonna do I think a little more music news here.

22:21 Speaker 8: If you are just joining us Matt connorton Unleashed. We

22:24 Speaker 8: are live from the studios of w m n H

22:27 Speaker 8: ninety five point three FM and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire,

22:31 Speaker 8: and you can stream the show from anywhere Matt connorton

22:34 Speaker 8: dot com, slash Live. And we weren't gonna talk, so

22:40 Speaker 8: I kind of had a different idea of what we're

22:42 Speaker 8: going to talk about this segment. But then I realized something.

22:47 Speaker 8: So you had mentioned, Jenny, there's new information regarding this

22:52 Speaker 8: lawsuit Salt and Pepa versus UMG Universal Music Group, And oh,

23:03 Speaker 8: I just got a text message. By the way, oh

23:05 Speaker 8: the Stiff Tones are here.

23:07 Speaker 10: I shall.

23:09 Speaker 8: Our our three guests has arrived, so Jenny's gonna go

23:12 Speaker 8: let them in. But yeah, Universal disputes Salt and Pepe's

23:16 Speaker 8: termination rights claim says the rappers never transferred any recording

23:20 Speaker 8: rights to their label. The reason I decided I wanted

23:24 Speaker 8: to pivot to this story is because UMG Universal Music

23:27 Speaker 8: Group seems to come up a lot on the show,

23:30 Speaker 8: because it seems like Universal Music Group is constantly either

23:34 Speaker 8: being sued or countersuing somebody. I remember months ago we

23:38 Speaker 8: talked about the Olympiscuit lawsuit against UMG. There's always something

23:43 Speaker 8: with UMG. Always seems to be something sketchy going on. Obviously,

23:48 Speaker 8: the point of view that we come from with this

23:50 Speaker 8: show is we always will advocate and support artists and

23:54 Speaker 8: the rights of artists. And it is not an unusual

24:00 Speaker 8: or rare tale to hear about artists getting screwed over

24:04 Speaker 8: in the music industry, and very often it happens at

24:06 Speaker 8: the hands of these big labels and Universal Music Group.

24:13 Speaker 8: If you are gauging this based on the number of

24:16 Speaker 8: lawsuits involving UMG, they might be the number one offenders

24:20 Speaker 8: in terms of screwing over the artists that they represent. Now,

24:23 Speaker 8: I understand the two sides to every story, or maybe three,

24:27 Speaker 8: you know, they say this three sides yours mind and

24:29 Speaker 8: the truth, and these things are not always as simple

24:32 Speaker 8: as they might appear. But again, you know, on this show,

24:35 Speaker 8: we have a specific point of view. This is a

24:36 Speaker 8: very independent, artist centric radio show, so we have a

24:43 Speaker 8: point of view that we will always defend and stick

24:45 Speaker 8: up for artists and advocate for artists. And Universal Music

24:49 Speaker 8: Group certainly doesn't need our help and support. So so

24:52 Speaker 8: this is this is an update. This just happened. This

24:56 Speaker 8: just went up on well, this actually went up on

24:59 Speaker 8: an number of places, Billboard dot com and various sites.

25:02 Speaker 8: But this just went up yesterday, so it says here.

25:06 Speaker 8: Earlier this year, Assault and PEPA sued UMG, claiming that

25:10 Speaker 8: the major label was refusing to allow them to reclaim

25:14 Speaker 8: the rights to their nineteen eighties recordings, even though copyright

25:17 Speaker 8: law allows them to terminate any transfer of rights after

25:21 Speaker 8: thirty five years. The major now says there was never

25:25 Speaker 8: any transfer of rights to terminate. So this gets into

25:29 Speaker 8: the weeds a little bit. But you know, because again

25:33 Speaker 8: sometimes artists, major artists, this happens. I mean, it can

25:37 Speaker 8: happen with any artists at any level. But you know,

25:41 Speaker 8: and again people outside the industry might not know this,

25:43 Speaker 8: but you know, just because you create music and put

25:47 Speaker 8: music out, release music, doesn't mean you own the rights

25:49 Speaker 8: to it, and there's you know, there's publishing rights, and

25:52 Speaker 8: there's your masters, your master recordings and various things. And

25:57 Speaker 8: depending on what kind of a contract you have, you're

25:59 Speaker 8: late might own the rights to your publishing. They might

26:02 Speaker 8: own the rights to your masters. Sometimes artists will go

26:06 Speaker 8: and you know, Taylor Swift, as a means of reclaiming

26:12 Speaker 8: the rights to her material, actually went and re recorded everything.

26:16 Speaker 10: And now, who was somebody just bought back their whole catalog?

26:19 Speaker 10: I thought that was her. I thought it was Taylor

26:21 Speaker 10: Swift that bought back their whole catalgy.

26:22 Speaker 8: I think she was. She did something where but it

26:24 Speaker 8: involved her re recording for her music. Yeah, so that

26:30 Speaker 8: way she doesn't need the original masters. She just re

26:33 Speaker 8: recorded everything. Def Leppard did something similar, like I don't know,

26:38 Speaker 8: ten fifteen years ago, but that had something to do

26:41 Speaker 8: with iTunes and that was a complicated thing. But so

26:45 Speaker 8: this is what it says here. This is the update.

26:47 Speaker 8: Universal Music has asked a US court to dismiss the

26:52 Speaker 8: termination rights lawsuit filed against it by rap duo Assault

26:55 Speaker 8: and Peppa. The major says that while US copyright law

26:59 Speaker 8: allows creators to terminate a transfer of rights or grant

27:02 Speaker 8: of rights after thirty five years. Salt and Peppa never

27:06 Speaker 8: actually granted any rights in their nineteen eighties record deals,

27:10 Speaker 8: which means there's nothing to terminate now. The relevant agreements

27:15 Speaker 8: under which Salt and Peppa's recordings were created quote contain

27:18 Speaker 8: no grant of copyright rights unquote from the rappers. A

27:24 Speaker 8: new legal filing from the major claims a producer the

27:27 Speaker 8: duo worked with did grant some rights in one arrangement.

27:31 Speaker 8: I'm sorry in one agreement, but neither Salt nor Pepa

27:35 Speaker 8: were directly involved in that part of the deal, and

27:38 Speaker 8: a grant of rights. Universal adds as quote a fundamental

27:41 Speaker 8: requirement of the Copyright Acts termination provisions unquote. That fact,

27:45 Speaker 8: it says, was confirmed in a previous termination rights legal

27:48 Speaker 8: battle involving Universal, in which the litigious artists were represented

27:53 Speaker 8: by the same lawyers as Salt and Peppa. Those attorneys

27:57 Speaker 8: may now have quote chosen to ignore that decision unquote,

28:00 Speaker 8: it says, but there is still quote no basis for

28:02 Speaker 8: any different result here. Quote. Unsurprisingly, Salt and Pepa an

28:07 Speaker 8: are not impressed with Universal's arguments, a spokesperson told Billboard

28:11 Speaker 8: quote the Copyright Act was designed to give artists a

28:14 Speaker 8: chance to reclaim ownership of their work, which is precisely

28:17 Speaker 8: what Salt and Peppa have been attempting to do, and

28:20 Speaker 8: UMG continues to resist unquote the major's arguments, UMG, the

28:25 Speaker 8: spokesperson added, quote are just what we expected, an effort

28:30 Speaker 8: to avoid addressing the core issues facing Salt and Peppa

28:33 Speaker 8: and so many other artists in these circumstances. But we

28:37 Speaker 8: remain confident that the facts and the law are on

28:39 Speaker 8: our side unquote. Salt and Peppa real names Cheryl James

28:44 Speaker 8: and Sandra Denton, sued Universal in May after it knocked

28:49 Speaker 8: back the duo's efforts to reclaim ownership of their nineteen

28:51 Speaker 8: eighties albums by exercising the termination right. At the time,

28:57 Speaker 8: they said that the major was employing heavy handed tactics

29:00 Speaker 8: which might work on lesser known artists, but Salt and

29:02 Speaker 8: Pepa quote would not tolerate any disrespect from UMG unquote.

29:09 Speaker 8: It is true there are some complications relating to the

29:12 Speaker 8: termination right under US law, which in music apply more

29:15 Speaker 8: on the recording side than with publishing contracts if an

29:19 Speaker 8: artist is employed. Okay, now this gets into the weeds,

29:22 Speaker 8: but this is important in order for us to understand

29:25 Speaker 8: what's happening here. So if an artist is employed by

29:29 Speaker 8: a label on a work for higher basis, then the

29:32 Speaker 8: label owns the copyright in the recordings by default, so

29:37 Speaker 8: there is no transfer of rights. And by the way,

29:39 Speaker 8: so that's that's no different than any employer that you

29:42 Speaker 8: work for, or if you're freelancing, but you know, you

29:47 Speaker 8: sign some sort of contract that might say this your

29:49 Speaker 8: work product for that employer, you don't own it. Your

29:52 Speaker 8: employer owns it. So in theory, anything that you create develop,

29:56 Speaker 8: et cetera, for that employer like you, you don't get

30:00 Speaker 8: to take that with you. If it's some sort of

30:02 Speaker 8: creative work that's owned by your employer, you created it

30:05 Speaker 8: under their direction. And you know, we can have arguments

30:08 Speaker 8: about whether that's fair or not or whether it depends

30:11 Speaker 8: on the situation, which it probably does, whether it's fair

30:14 Speaker 8: or not, et cetera. But but that's basically it's it's

30:16 Speaker 8: no different than that. So if you're employed by a

30:19 Speaker 8: label doing whatever, you're a recording artist, or you're a producer,

30:23 Speaker 8: or you're you work in a and R or I

30:26 Speaker 8: don't even know what jobs exist at at these labels anymore,

30:29 Speaker 8: because everything's changed so much. But but uh, I mean

30:34 Speaker 8: I did some work for Artemis Records, but that was

30:36 Speaker 8: a long time ago, so everything's different now. But anyway,

30:40 Speaker 8: but the point being, you know that that label is

30:45 Speaker 8: most likely going to own whatever you create for that label. Okay,

30:50 Speaker 8: so things again, going back to the article, things also

30:53 Speaker 8: get complicated where artists do deals with producers and then

30:57 Speaker 8: producers do deals with label. So you're the artist, you

31:02 Speaker 8: have a deal with your your producer, and your deal

31:06 Speaker 8: with your producer is your deal, but they've got another deal.

31:11 Speaker 8: And again, this happens. This doesn't just happen in the

31:14 Speaker 8: music industry. This can happen in any industry, any type

31:17 Speaker 8: of business situation. You've got a deal with somebody and

31:20 Speaker 8: that's your deal with that entity, but that entity also

31:23 Speaker 8: they have their own deal with somebody that might affect

31:25 Speaker 8: your deal in ways that you don't know because you

31:28 Speaker 8: don't know about the other deal, and you can't anticipate

31:30 Speaker 8: how that's going to affect you.

31:32 Speaker 10: This is all confusing to you. What is it like

31:36 Speaker 10: for the artist?

31:37 Speaker 11: You know?

31:37 Speaker 8: What it reminds me of. It reminds me of like

31:39 Speaker 8: when I was a kid, if like I had a

31:42 Speaker 8: friend and This is probably something that's happened to people.

31:44 Speaker 8: I think people will find this example relatable. But I

31:47 Speaker 8: remember this happening to me once, Like a friend borrows

31:51 Speaker 8: a dollar from me because so they can get something

31:54 Speaker 8: like a milk with their lunch or something. Right like

31:57 Speaker 8: when I'm a kid that bars a dollar from me,

32:00 Speaker 8: and then they tell me they're going to pay me back.

32:02 Speaker 8: But then when I go to collect, when they say, oh, yeah,

32:04 Speaker 8: i'll pay you back tomorrow. And then I go to

32:06 Speaker 8: them tomorrow and they say, oh, yeah, I don't owe

32:12 Speaker 8: you that because somebody else borrowed a dollar from me,

32:16 Speaker 8: So now they owe you that dollar. You know what

32:18 Speaker 8: I mean? Yes, like I'm not paying you back. No, no,

32:21 Speaker 8: you have to go get the dollar from this other

32:23 Speaker 8: person who I loan money to. Now they owe you

32:26 Speaker 8: the money, which is such a BS way to do things.

32:29 Speaker 8: But but you know, that type of thing would happen.

32:31 Speaker 8: And then, of course, and then we don't know what

32:33 Speaker 8: happens next. Right, you go to the person and then

32:35 Speaker 8: they say, what why are you trying to get a

32:36 Speaker 8: dollar for me? I don't know you a dollar? Why

32:40 Speaker 8: why does your deal with this person affect me? And

32:42 Speaker 8: so forth and you know. Anyway, Universal argues that these

32:49 Speaker 8: things apply in this case in legal It's legal filing

32:54 Speaker 8: runs through the complicated series of deals between James and

32:58 Speaker 8: Denton and producer Asar, between the producer and Next Plateau Records,

33:05 Speaker 8: and between Next Plateau Records and London Records, which is

33:09 Speaker 8: now part of Universal. See, these things get very, very

33:13 Speaker 8: very complicated by the way. This is an example too,

33:15 Speaker 8: because things get so complicated. Remember when Limp Biscuits sued

33:23 Speaker 8: UH and that's ongoing. I believe their lawsuit against UMG.

33:28 Speaker 8: The I forget her name now her actual name, but

33:32 Speaker 8: her YouTube channel is top Music Attorney, and she talks

33:34 Speaker 8: about all this stuff. And I'm sure she has stuff

33:36 Speaker 8: on her YouTube channel. I haven't looked at it recently.

33:38 Speaker 8: I'm sure she has stuff on her YouTube channel about this.

33:40 Speaker 8: She's an entertainment lawyer with a very successful YouTube channel.

33:43 Speaker 8: And she says that UMG does something that is often

33:47 Speaker 8: referred to as spaghetti accounting, where the accounting becomes so

33:52 Speaker 8: complicated that you can't even audit it because it's so

33:59 Speaker 8: and it's and it's by design, it's it's this is

34:01 Speaker 8: done intentionally so that the label doesn't have to pay

34:05 Speaker 8: you anything because they say, no, we don't owe you anything.

34:09 Speaker 8: We still you know, there's still recruitment. You haven't your project,

34:13 Speaker 8: your album whatever, hasn't made enough money, hasn't generated enough revenue,

34:17 Speaker 8: so we don't owe you anything because you haven't your

34:21 Speaker 8: your recruitment has not yet been fulfilled. And then you say, okay, well,

34:24 Speaker 8: our lawyers are going to audit our account. And then

34:26 Speaker 8: it's very difficult to do that because everything's a mess anyway,

34:29 Speaker 8: but it's but it's an intentional mess.

34:31 Speaker 12: That's one of the things that's in the Jane's addiction

34:34 Speaker 12: lawsuit is that there was money fronted to them for

34:37 Speaker 12: the tour ah and now they got to give it

34:39 Speaker 12: or for the album. The promised an album going to happen,

34:44 Speaker 12: So now all that money has to be given back.

34:47 Speaker 8: Yep, yeah, yeah.

34:51 Speaker 10: So her name is miss Crystal with a case.

34:53 Speaker 8: Oh miss Crystal, thank you.

34:54 Speaker 10: Yes, the number one music business school for artists. I

34:58 Speaker 10: never do this existed?

34:59 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, no, Miss Crystal. She has a lot of

35:01 Speaker 8: great content. Again, it's kind of stuff.

35:03 Speaker 10: It's online classes and everything. We should get her on

35:05 Speaker 10: if we can.

35:05 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, that's a great idea. Yeah, I'd love to

35:07 Speaker 8: have her on Yeah, and she's again, if you really

35:09 Speaker 8: want to get into the weeds with this stuff, she's

35:12 Speaker 8: Her YouTube channel is great and she explains things in

35:15 Speaker 8: a way that, you know, someone like me, I'm not

35:19 Speaker 8: an attorney, I have no legal training of any kind,

35:21 Speaker 8: but she explains it in a way that it goes

35:23 Speaker 8: very in depth, so I can I can understand because

35:26 Speaker 8: I'm you know, I like that kind of stuff. I'm

35:29 Speaker 8: obviously very interested in it, but without it getting so

35:33 Speaker 8: far advanced with legal lees that I can't comprehend it,

35:36 Speaker 8: you know what I mean exactly. So that's why I

35:38 Speaker 8: recommend her if you're interested in this kind of thing.

35:40 Speaker 8: You know, obviously, I mean, I never had any interest

35:42 Speaker 8: in becoming an attorney, but if I had gone to

35:44 Speaker 8: law school, my goal probably would have been to deal

35:47 Speaker 8: with contract law and uh or I'd probably would be

35:49 Speaker 8: an entertainment lawyer. And I find trademark law very interesting

35:55 Speaker 8: and anything to do with copyrights and oh yeah, intellectual

35:59 Speaker 8: property all that's fascinating to me. So that's probably the

36:02 Speaker 8: kind of law had I taken that path, that I

36:04 Speaker 8: would be practicing. But but yeah, so I do recommend

36:08 Speaker 8: her YouTube channel, Top Music Attorney on. Yeah, it's it's

36:12 Speaker 8: pretty in depth, and I'm sure she has stuff about

36:13 Speaker 8: this lawsuit on there. A little bit more to this,

36:17 Speaker 8: it says, again, this is from the article. The whole

36:20 Speaker 8: dispute pretty much swings on one line in a nineteen

36:26 Speaker 8: eighty six agreement between James and Denton and Azor's Business,

36:30 Speaker 8: which says that his production company quote shall be the

36:33 Speaker 8: sole and exclusive owner of any and all rights, title,

36:38 Speaker 8: and or interest in and to the master recordings recorded

36:42 Speaker 8: here under, including but not limited to the worldwide sound

36:46 Speaker 8: copyrights there and and the renewal rights thereof unquote.

36:51 Speaker 10: I think we should pass a lot that says everything

36:52 Speaker 10: has to be written in English.

36:54 Speaker 8: Well, that's that's that's clear if you break it down,

36:57 Speaker 8: I mean basically, I mean I can it's just the well, yeah,

37:01 Speaker 8: but I can. But we can sum that up right.

37:03 Speaker 8: In other words, Azor's Business owns everything, and that's what

37:05 Speaker 8: that That's what that line says, that owns everything.

37:08 Speaker 1: That you are their.

37:09 Speaker 12: Slave, isn't that That's why Prince wrote slave across his

37:11 Speaker 12: cheek yep when he was fighting.

37:13 Speaker 8: With his record And that's exactly the kind of thing

37:16 Speaker 8: that if you have a really good entertainment lawyer, And

37:19 Speaker 8: and you're presented with a contract like that, your entertainment

37:21 Speaker 8: lawyer is going to say to you, I don't think

37:24 Speaker 8: you should sign this. So it says here the question

37:28 Speaker 8: is was that a simple statement of fact confirming Universal's

37:32 Speaker 8: view that Azor's company was the default owner of the

37:34 Speaker 8: sound recording copyrights created under the deal, or was it,

37:38 Speaker 8: in fact a transfer of copyrights from the rappers to

37:41 Speaker 8: the producer. Universal argues that other terms in the same

37:45 Speaker 8: deal relating to their to other rights such as name

37:49 Speaker 8: and likeness rights, include explicit language regarding the transfer of rights.

37:54 Speaker 8: The fact that explicit language isn't that crucial, Uh, isn't

37:58 Speaker 8: in that crucial term about the recording rights means no

38:01 Speaker 8: transfer took place. It adds, we will see how the

38:04 Speaker 8: court now deals with these arguments. If the judge does

38:07 Speaker 8: ultimately rule against Universal, it has a second argument already

38:11 Speaker 8: lined up that some of the key recordings under dispute

38:14 Speaker 8: are remixes. See that gets complicated, and the termination right

38:19 Speaker 8: doesn't apply to so called derivative works.

38:23 Speaker 10: So anything they can do to rip off the artists.

38:27 Speaker 8: So even if James and Denton had transferred rights back

38:30 Speaker 8: in the nineteen eighties, the termination right still wouldn't apply

38:34 Speaker 8: to remixes organized by their labels while those labels were

38:37 Speaker 8: in control of the main copyright. The second argument may

38:41 Speaker 8: or may not be relevant in this dispute, but it

38:43 Speaker 8: could nevertheless be a cause of concern for other artists

38:46 Speaker 8: in those genres where remixes are common and who are

38:49 Speaker 8: looking to exercise the termination right, especially where it's a

38:52 Speaker 8: remix that proved to be the biggest.

38:55 Speaker 10: Hit that's our I didn't even think about that.

39:00 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, it gets It gets very complicated.

39:04 Speaker 8: It gets very complicated.

39:06 Speaker 10: Humans make it.

39:07 Speaker 8: So one other quick thing will do and then we'll

39:11 Speaker 8: uh and then we'll play some more tunes. And if

39:13 Speaker 8: you're just joining us live, of course we have the

39:15 Speaker 8: Stiff Tones coming up in the third hour, and they're

39:18 Speaker 8: already in the building.

39:19 Speaker 12: So in just in just a couple of minutes. What

39:21 Speaker 12: do you mean, sort of not quite in the building.

39:23 Speaker 12: They're at the building. Oh, they'll let me know when

39:25 Speaker 12: they're ready to be in the building.

39:27 Speaker 8: Oh okay, gotcha, gotcha. This is from Digital Music News.

39:33 Speaker 10: Out Front.

39:34 Speaker 8: There is an actual well, it does say online that's

39:39 Speaker 8: one of their uh have hearst will travel very good,

39:44 Speaker 8: and they do very good.

39:46 Speaker 13: Uh.

39:46 Speaker 8: Country Music Festival issues full refunds after failing to launch,

39:50 Speaker 8: latest in spate of country festivals getting mixed until I

39:54 Speaker 8: saw this. By the way, this sound occurred to me.

39:56 Speaker 8: You don't see a lot of country music festivals, like big,

39:59 Speaker 8: large scale festival, contrasting with rock festivals and hip hop festivals. Yeah,

40:05 Speaker 8: lots of metal festivals, county country festivals, it seems like

40:08 Speaker 8: you don't see as many of them. And apparently there's

40:11 Speaker 8: some weird lights, like their curse or something, it says.

40:13 Speaker 8: Michigan's Country Roads Music Festival issues full refunds following a

40:18 Speaker 8: twenty twenty five cancelation, but plans to revive the event

40:21 Speaker 8: for twenty twenty six, it says. It says. After Faster

40:26 Speaker 8: Horses Music Festival announced its cancelation in January, event organizers

40:31 Speaker 8: aimed to fill the void with the Country Roads Music

40:34 Speaker 8: Festival at the same venue, the Michigan International Speedway. But

40:39 Speaker 8: now Country Roads has been canceled, with plans to revive

40:42 Speaker 8: the event next year. So what went wrong? Quote, All

40:46 Speaker 8: tickets will be fully refunded. You don't need to do

40:48 Speaker 8: a thing. We'll handle it on our end and make

40:50 Speaker 8: sure the money gets back to you as quickly as possible.

40:54 Speaker 8: The post says, this community means the world to us,

40:58 Speaker 8: and we can't wait to share something really special with

41:00 Speaker 8: you in twenty twenty six. Oh I missed the first

41:03 Speaker 8: paragraph of that, So the first paragraph of the announcement says, quote,

41:06 Speaker 8: this wasn't an easy call, but we truly believe it's

41:09 Speaker 8: the right one. Our goal has always been to create

41:12 Speaker 8: something meaningful for this community, and we want to give

41:16 Speaker 8: it the time and care it deserves. So that's from

41:18 Speaker 8: the Instagram post announcing the tourist cancelation. Country Roads was

41:24 Speaker 8: due to kick off on July eighteen, yesterday, at the

41:27 Speaker 8: Groves of Michigan campground, but its cancelation was announced just

41:31 Speaker 8: four days prior. Wow, just four days before the festival

41:35 Speaker 8: they announced it was canceled. According to festival organizer Darcy Keys,

41:41 Speaker 8: their team was simply not prepared to pull off a

41:43 Speaker 8: festival in such a short amount of time, especially when

41:47 Speaker 8: many potential attendees don't order tickets until the last minute.

41:52 Speaker 8: By the way, so I've been involved in festivals. Festivals

41:57 Speaker 8: take I mean a large scale festival with national artists

42:02 Speaker 8: and the whole thing like what it sounds like they

42:04 Speaker 8: were doing that can take like a year, a solid

42:08 Speaker 8: year of planning. It really can doesn't have to. I mean,

42:14 Speaker 8: it might only take six months, but it sounds like

42:16 Speaker 8: they tried to do something quick here that they just

42:18 Speaker 8: couldn't do.

42:19 Speaker 11: So.

42:20 Speaker 8: Keyes also said, quote, I don't think that we ever

42:23 Speaker 8: got to that critical minimum ticket sales level. We probably

42:26 Speaker 8: only had about three and a half months, and I

42:28 Speaker 8: think in hindsight, it probably wasn't sufficient time to be

42:31 Speaker 8: able to promote the festival. Unquote, yeah, three and a

42:34 Speaker 8: half months is not enough time for a major festival,

42:37 Speaker 8: but she isn't ready to completely throw on the towel.

42:41 Speaker 8: Keys said that trying to put on the festival in

42:43 Speaker 8: such a short time this year was a learning experience

42:46 Speaker 8: and she looks forward to bringing the vision to life

42:48 Speaker 8: in twenty twenty six. Naturally, fans who were planning to

42:51 Speaker 8: attend have shared their disappointment on social media, but singer

42:56 Speaker 8: Mikaela Prue, who was due to perform at the festival,

42:59 Speaker 8: noted how such cancelations impact artists, especially lesser known ones,

43:03 Speaker 8: and that relates to what we were talking about with

43:05 Speaker 8: Jane's addiction. By the way, how you know, when things

43:09 Speaker 8: get canceled, whether it's a tour or whether it's a festival,

43:11 Speaker 8: it affects a lot of people, especially lesser known artists

43:15 Speaker 8: like MICHAELA.

43:16 Speaker 10: Prue, who many people were lined up to open.

43:19 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, but also, you know, it affects everything, and

43:23 Speaker 8: it has a ripple effect. And if you're not if

43:25 Speaker 8: you're not super famous and rich, you know, you can

43:28 Speaker 8: really take a hit financially. It can really screw things

43:30 Speaker 8: up for you. MICHAELA Prue also said, quote, festivals are

43:34 Speaker 8: obviously a major way that growing artists like me get

43:38 Speaker 8: their name out there. It's also one of the main

43:40 Speaker 8: ways that myself and my band generate income. Unquote. It's

43:44 Speaker 8: a matter of hard times for up and coming musicians

43:47 Speaker 8: compounded by hard times for potential attendees, an economic struggle.

43:52 Speaker 8: As economic struggles make it more difficult for fans to

43:55 Speaker 8: justify buying tickets to these events, more live music festivals

43:58 Speaker 8: will undoubtedly see the acts, leaving artists who depend on

44:03 Speaker 8: that income holding the bag. So there you go. So

44:07 Speaker 8: another another festival, u down the tubes and more lawsuits

44:13 Speaker 8: and more lawsuits. Yes, yes, yes, well so I think

44:18 Speaker 8: we will. Uh, let's Uh, let's play something. If you

44:21 Speaker 8: are listening live. We've got the stiff Tones coming up

44:24 Speaker 8: in the third hour. Uh, but uh, I think we

44:27 Speaker 8: should play I think we should play city Lights again.

44:29 Speaker 8: We played it in the first hour. I think we

44:31 Speaker 8: should play it again. City Lights into a single from

44:33 Speaker 8: our friends Flair from all the way in the UK.

44:36 Speaker 8: I love this song so much. And uh, and then

44:39 Speaker 8: we'll show some love to our amazing sponsors. And then

44:41 Speaker 8: when we come back with our number three, we will

44:43 Speaker 8: have the Stiff Tones here with us in studio. And

44:45 Speaker 8: I'm dying to get a I started to make a

44:48 Speaker 8: pun without even realizing I was doing it. I started

44:51 Speaker 8: to say, I'm dying to get a look at that hearse. God,

44:53 Speaker 8: but I don't want I didn't even mean to do it,

44:57 Speaker 8: but I realized as soon as I started the sentence.

44:59 Speaker 8: I'm like, I'm dying to actually, but I am. I'm

45:03 Speaker 8: dying to get a look at that hearse. The stiff

45:06 Speaker 8: Tones are here in a hearse. All right, this is

45:08 Speaker 8: city Lights Blair.

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46:24 Speaker 6: Say my house, and I came said something I can

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46:33 Speaker 8: Can't be same.

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47:23 Speaker 14: Just have to see that he was proud of my

47:26 Speaker 14: house and gamble shout somebody can see it and saying

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47:36 Speaker 7: I just have to see that the trying in my house.

47:41 Speaker 6: Some gable shout.

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47:47 Speaker 15: teaching can be the same. Man time.

48:49 Speaker 13: The baby you're only high cas an sis tell fast

48:54 Speaker 13: time sad.

49:01 Speaker 7: Can say.

49:06 Speaker 6: Jess have to say that something somebody say.

49:12 Speaker 7: Some dreams, so say.

49:23 Speaker 1: The same, say.

49:30 Speaker 6: God say.

50:00 Speaker 7: All this slide.

50:41 Speaker 1: Seems like a song.

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50:49 Speaker 17: What he say sound the inside, so it's like a joke.

51:01 Speaker 17: We never men don't beat no strange.

51:04 Speaker 1: I singing my en and.

51:07 Speaker 7: Sing me high up.

51:10 Speaker 1: High asking men when you sign.

51:16 Speaker 16: Sig wound B sing you sound where rock all it's

51:24 Speaker 16: light y'all song.

51:25 Speaker 7: As me high rock all that high stoun B.

51:29 Speaker 6: Sing your sound and round.

51:32 Speaker 1: It's like y'all song as me I to growl at.

51:36 Speaker 16: Beside you know round to sing loud B saying inside.

51:44 Speaker 1: Shoe shine, So do you get it?

51:58 Speaker 18: Holly love me?

52:00 Speaker 1: It looks like a magic.

52:03 Speaker 7: Out of the high you bud.

52:05 Speaker 1: Rabbit feel in the sky. He's just so majestic.

52:10 Speaker 4: Pas a beery.

52:12 Speaker 7: Sound eas side.

52:17 Speaker 16: Sun found pc you sounding round, It's like your song

52:26 Speaker 16: as me the crowned foul P sing.

52:31 Speaker 1: You sounding loud.

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52:37 Speaker 1: Every tide around the same.

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53:05 Speaker 16: It's like your song gets me high off the grown and.

53:09 Speaker 1: I found piecing.

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53:13 Speaker 16: It's like your song gets me high off the grown.

53:17 Speaker 1: Every time you around, the sing loud P saying.

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