Matt Connarton Unleashed 7-19-25 hour 2

0:00 Speaker 1: Wm n H will rip the knob off?

0:13 Speaker 2: What's that sound? What's that sound? Get out my way?

0:16 Speaker 3: O burns down Maxie, scream and shout, and I'll.

0:20 Speaker 4: Turn this town around.

0:23 Speaker 5: Stop and look this way. I made some insupicious. What I say is what I say, And this is a travesty. The earth is trying to now and you don't see the tragedy. It's all blurring all it's one and dies a blinded. We think it's typical, but that's just cause we're so shallow.

0:41 Speaker 3: My dad, what's that sound? What's that sound? Get out of my way?

0:46 Speaker 2: Oh burns down Maxie and scream.

0:49 Speaker 5: And shout, and I turn this town around, pe everywhere, pivot your parts and nurture and to care for this world of ice.

1:00 Speaker 2: I believe the earth will no longer fall apart.

1:05 Speaker 5: We can do little Bax cut and find a pistol less forever.

1:13 Speaker 6: What's it sound?

1:14 Speaker 2: What's it sound?

1:15 Speaker 7: Get down my way?

1:16 Speaker 2: I burns down, Mixie and scream.

1:19 Speaker 3: And show pan outs on this town round. What's it sound?

1:23 Speaker 2: What's it sound?

1:25 Speaker 6: Get down my way?

1:26 Speaker 2: I burns down Bixie and scream.

1:29 Speaker 3: And shower pan outs on this town around.

1:37 Speaker 1: What's it town? Turn?

1:41 Speaker 5: This Town round?

1:46 Speaker 2: What's it sound?

1:51 Speaker 6: What's it sound?

1:52 Speaker 1: What's it sound?

1:54 Speaker 6: Down? Alway?

1:54 Speaker 7: I pun down.

1:56 Speaker 5: Basie and scream and shower head.

1:59 Speaker 3: I'll turn this well sound what's sounds down?

2:05 Speaker 2: Makes stream the shop?

2:08 Speaker 7: And how t is time?

2:22 Speaker 8: That is Turn This Town Around, the debut single from Lydia. Ready here and this is Matt Connorton Unleashed. We are live from the studios of w m n H ninety five point three FM and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire, and of course you can stream the show from anywhere. Matt connorton dot com. Slash Live. Jenny is here as well, of course and joining us via Microsoft Teams. Let's see Lydia. Are you there? Yes, Amia, Hello, Hey, welcome to the program. Good to speak with you. Thanks for having me, absolutely absolutely so.

2:52 Speaker 8: We love that song, very very catchy. Of course, Turn This Town Around and this is your debut single, correct, Yes, is very good? And where are you from?

3:03 Speaker 4: I'm from Blackburn in England?

3:05 Speaker 8: Okay, wonderful? Yeah, no, there's there's so much great music coming out of that part of the world and I'm curious too, So this is are you. I was listening to a podcast of you being interviewed on another show. Now, are you currently in school as well? Are you in college?

3:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm in college, but we've just started some holidays.

3:27 Speaker 8: Oh okay, okay, very good. So you've got a lot going on. You're you're obviously very busy, uh, you know, with your education and the music career.

3:35 Speaker 4: Yeah.

3:35 Speaker 8: But uh, but it's cool that, uh, you know, you come out of the gate with a very strong track, and like I said, it's very catchy. But I also I'm curious to know more about the lyrics because you know, the first time when we first got this song, I was listening to it and it's like, oh, yeah, it's really catchy, it's fun and whatnot. But then the second time I listened to it, I was paying a little bit more attention to the lyrics, and it sounds like there's there's a deeper meaning to this, you know, and you're expressing some some concern about things.

4:01 Speaker 8: And I wanted to ask you about about what the song really means, because I kind of feel like it might not necessarily mean what I thought it meant the first time I listened to it, If that makes sense. Yeah, okay, So.

4:16 Speaker 9: The song is about making a difference the sound that you hear about in the chorus is actually a metaphorical sound, is kind of a call to action, and it's pretty much shay in stop how you live your dead to day life and try to live in a way that will help the earth rather than hinder it.

4:33 Speaker 4: So that's kind of the message behind the song.

4:36 Speaker 8: Yeah, I like that, and I like that very much and when you say that too. But so when you say help the earth, do you mean in a general sense in terms of what you put out into the world. Are you talking specifically environmentally or maybe both or maybe a myriad of things. I don't know, Like when you expand on that, if you would a little bit, like when you talk about helping the earth.

4:58 Speaker 9: Yeah, So when I originally wrote the song, I had the idea of, like the lyrics, lights a blurring into one and our eyes are blinded. That's kind of the lights are lights from all this technology.

5:09 Speaker 4: Around us, and our eyes are being blinded.

5:12 Speaker 9: Because of that to the bigger impacts that living in this way has on the earth. So it is mostly environmental, but it's also thinking about how you can change in ways that you may not think will affect the environment, and just become more knowledgeable about the earth in general and what's harm in it.

5:29 Speaker 8: What I think is interesting about that is because that's a pretty serious message, but it's a fun, catchy song, and I feel like that's that's a pretty effective way. Historically, you see this in music where if you can, it's almost a trojan horse because maybe somebody, maybe somebody thinks they don't want to hear a serious, important message, but then they hear a song that is catchy and kind of infectious, and so they're getting the message without realizing that they're getting the message, and they're you know, sometimes you'll you'll hear you'll hear something that's kind of fun, but but there's there's a serious message in there, and and so by by it's sort of a I think an effective delivery system for getting someone's attention and saying, hey, here's something I want you to think about.

6:18 Speaker 8: It's in It's in a package that's gonna get stuck in your head. You know, you're gonna once you hear the song, you're gonna be playing it over and over in your mind because it's so catchy, but there's some pretty important information here that you're also getting. If only on a subconscious level, right? I mean, is that is that kind of your approach to creating a song like this, or you're going into it thinking, Okay, I've got I've got something important to say here, but I'm going to deliver it in a way that people are going to be open to receiving it.

6:44 Speaker 9: Yeah, that's very much far thought, because I'm thinking, Yeah, like you said, there's a lot of times if you think it's just gonna be all serious and you're not gonna want to listen to it. So I thought, how can I make this is a perfect mix between being touchy being something that kind of make it so you want to know more, which is why I kind of did the whole what's that sound?

7:02 Speaker 4: You never really know, you never get the answer.

7:04 Speaker 9: It makes you want to find out more, which would hopefully help the listener than want to engage in health in the more because they've had to kind of work to find out what the answer is in a way.

7:14 Speaker 8: Mm hmmmmm. No, I like that. Now, what's what's your long term plan? Because I'm curious, obviously this is your debut single. Do you intend to release more singles? Do you are? Are you thinking about doing an EP or an album or are you just kind of focused on the moment, uh with turning this down around?

7:34 Speaker 4: So I have got.

7:35 Speaker 9: Other songs that are going to be recorded. I'm actually in the recording studio next Tuesday and Wednesday, and I'm recording content for my upcoming single the Way We're Rolling on Monday. So I've currently recorded fight No, I've currently recorded for including the one that's already out. So I'm going into record fifth. Okay, it's going to be a five track EP that comes out. That's going to be my debut EP. There'll be three single singles on that and then two that come out separately, and then following that, I've got this big idea I'm going to do kind of the Elements is EPs, so Fire, Earth, Water, and Air.

8:15 Speaker 8: Oh.

8:15 Speaker 9: Then, for example, Fire is going to be all my rocky, angry songs. Water is going to be my sad songs, and Earth is kind of going to be my kind of togetherness songs. And I have got some more songs about the Earth and that kind of thing. And then Air I'm not sure it'll be calm without being sad. And then I'm going to put them all into an album with a few extra tracks called in my Element very cool.

8:40 Speaker 8: So yeah, so when I asked you that question, I didn't know. I didn't know, if you know, like I said, because you're kind of just just starting out with this, and plus you're you're also getting an education, so I didn't know if maybe you were just gonna be like, oh, no, you know, just kind of feeling my way through it. But it turns out you've got a whole You've got a whole plan, which I think is great. And I think that that level of planning is going to really help you succeed, you know, because so many people and creative people, we tend to do this, will will kind of throw some things against the wall and see what sticks and just try to kind of feel our way through it.

9:14 Speaker 8: But but I think to succeed in the music industry, it really helps if you actually have a plan, and you clearly have a plan. So I think that's I think that's fantastic. Do you know, I mean, do you have an ETA? And maybe you mentioned it in there and I didn't catch it, but do you know, like when we'll see the next or hear the next the next bit of music that you put out?

9:37 Speaker 9: Yes, So Originally I had said I'll do it exactly two months after the first song, but then I thought that's in.

9:44 Speaker 4: The middle of the summer holidays, so no one will listen to it.

9:47 Speaker 9: So'net release the first week that I go back to college, which is I'm not sure on the day, but it's the week commencing.

9:55 Speaker 4: I don't know, it's around the first September. It's that week. I go back to college on the fourth.

9:58 Speaker 9: Of September, gotcha, So I'll probably release it on the fifth because that's the friday. I go back on the Thursday, so that'll be my next song. It's a similar kind of vibe, but most people have played it to actually prefer it to the first one, so hopefully everyone likes that one.

10:13 Speaker 4: Cool, and then I'm just going to try to do them every two months until.

10:19 Speaker 9: So for my next year, on my eighteenth birthday, instead of having a big party or anything, I'm going to put on a gig, a headline one in Manchester because that's the nearest city to where I live.

10:30 Speaker 8: Okay, and yeah, I'm hoping.

10:33 Speaker 9: To have my first EP out and on the merch est by then, so everything will definitely be out by next April, probably with a few from the next EP as well.

10:41 Speaker 8: Oh fantastic. Yeah, you really do have a plan. That's that's excellent. I'm curious, by the way, what's your major? Is it anything music related or performance related?

10:50 Speaker 1: Yeah?

10:50 Speaker 9: So I'm currently doing two A levels and a B Tech. I'm not sure if you do them in America, but A levels I'm doing English language and psychology, and then from a BETECH I'm doing music performance.

11:05 Speaker 8: Okay, so it sounds like what what we would call in America that you know, one is your major and the other is your minor. So you're so you're you're majoring and what did you say it was?

11:14 Speaker 1: Again, it's not.

11:16 Speaker 4: It's not really like that.

11:17 Speaker 9: You just kind of do the three and then it's a university you specialize in something.

11:21 Speaker 8: Oh, I see it at college.

11:23 Speaker 4: It's all a bit different.

11:24 Speaker 8: But yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm kind.

11:26 Speaker 4: Of doing all all three equally. When I got from the university.

11:30 Speaker 9: I'll start university next year, so this time next year I'll be getting ready to go and I'm hoping to go on to do PR and journalism.

11:37 Speaker 8: Oh good, good, okay, I get it. Okay, very cool, very cool. That's that's excellent. Yeah. Yeah, And now in terms of recording, uh, where did you where did you record Turn this down Around? Because again, we live in an era where you know, you can you can record in so many different ways, as I know just from talking to other guests who we've had, uh from over there, that there's you know, no shortage of recording studios, just like in America there's there's recording studios you can or you can record at home, or you can do it.

12:06 Speaker 8: You know, you can send tracks back and forth with somebody. How did you record Turn This Town Around?

12:12 Speaker 4: So?

12:13 Speaker 9: Turn This Town Around was recorded at Clubhouse Studio. When I actually recorded Turn This Town Around, they were in the process of moving to a new studio space, so at that time they didn't have a permanent studio, so we actually recorded it in they're called Imogen and James. We recorded it in a shed in their back garden. That was their temporary studio.

12:34 Speaker 1: Oh wow, but she'd never know.

12:35 Speaker 9: Because you hear that compared to the other songs I've got from them, and they all sound the same. Yeah, but yeah, we recorded that one in a shed, but then the other ones they've got their permanent place now in Blackburn, it's absolutely incredible. They've got the studio that they run, and then they're also hiring out another little space to another recording engineer. That the people who have recorded all of my brother's songs in the past for years and years now, so we.

13:00 Speaker 4: Know them really well and they're really good at all they do.

13:03 Speaker 8: Now, I didn't want to ask about your brother too, because I was listening to a podcast that you were on and you were talking about your brother. And it's funny because when the subject first came up, my first thought was, and I don't know if I'm the first one to ever say this to you, but my first thought was, oh, is this a Billie Eilish kind of thing where your brother, you know, does a lot of the production and plays the instruments and whatnot. But I but actually, but then listening to it further, it sounds like you work separately, right or maybe not?

13:29 Speaker 8: Is he involved? Is he directly involved in anything that you're doing musically?

13:34 Speaker 9: So we don't write the songs together. But he is a better guitarist than me. He can play bass, he can do pretty much any instrument. He's a little bit better than me. So he goes the recorded studio and always records the instruments for me.

13:45 Speaker 8: Just bet that's cool.

13:48 Speaker 4: Apart from the drums.

13:49 Speaker 9: We have James who worked at the studio or he's a professional drummer, so he always puts the drums on my track.

13:54 Speaker 8: Is it helpful having your brother involved in the sense that because you're sibling, you know, sometimes siblings have kind of a an intuitive connection, uh when it comes to music. I mean, do you do you do you find that with him? Like, like, if you're trying to convey an idea to him, is it is it easy for him to get it because he's already kind of thinking, you're kind of thinking on that same wavelength.

14:19 Speaker 4: It usually is quite easy.

14:20 Speaker 9: I'll just kind of sometimes I'll have something in my head and it's to say. With some of my mates who are musicians, I'll go, right, I want it.

14:27 Speaker 4: Stud like this, do do do?

14:29 Speaker 3: Do? Do?

14:29 Speaker 1: Do do do?

14:30 Speaker 4: And then they just play it on guitar and I'm like, how did you do that? I can only play cards?

14:34 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, I know what you mean. But yeah, no, that that's great though? That that now does he also he also does his own music, correct he does? Yes, yeah, what kind of music does he do. Is it more of a kind of a rock thing or what.

14:49 Speaker 4: So for years he's been doing kind of indie pop rock.

14:51 Speaker 9: Okay, well, he's started university last year, so what he's done is he's kind of taken a year off music properly just to kind of get to Uni. But now he's got two years after you in the and he's properly going for his music again. He's on a music management court and he's got the opportunity to manage himself, so he can do a lot of it during his last time as well. So he's decided to do a new vibe of music because he's always kind of liked his songs, but it's never been the kind of thing he'd listened to.

15:18 Speaker 4: He was trying to appeal to an audience.

15:20 Speaker 9: But now he's decided to write the stuff that he listens to, which is, oh so many random people, kind of sleep Token, Bring Me the Horizon, Don Broca, and Too Shakhari.

15:34 Speaker 4: He's saying that he's.

15:35 Speaker 9: Doing folk metal, which has never really been done before. He's trying to merge those two genres. So it's kind of frank ternery but also kind of metal, and it sounds really, really cool.

15:46 Speaker 8: Oh I'm curious. Yeah, very interesting, very interesting.

15:50 Speaker 4: I've never heard anything like it.

15:52 Speaker 9: I've seen heard bits like it, but never anything like that that he's come up with, so it's really impressive.

15:58 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, ccellent, excellent. Now are you are you again? I know this is your first single, but are you performing live at all? Are you? Have you done this song live or is that is that part of your playing down the road?

16:13 Speaker 4: So yeah, I have performed it live a few times.

16:15 Speaker 9: Earlier in the year, I played the after All Festival, which is the biggest grassroots festival in Manchester, and that was really cool. I didn't expect anyone to turn up because I was quite early in the day as it was my first ever set of all originals, but I actually ended up having sixty to eighty people in the room and quite a few people that I knew as well, which was really nice who came to see me who were doing their own sets later in the day.

16:41 Speaker 4: So I've performed there. That was the main one.

16:43 Speaker 9: But then also I get to do a lot of college performances and various pub gigs. If they something I usually stick to covers at pubs, but if they seem like they'd be nice and let me do one of my own.

16:55 Speaker 4: Then I'll stick that in.

16:56 Speaker 8: Oh that's cool. Do you so when you do that? Do you do you do covers and then you you also include this song? Or how does that work?

17:04 Speaker 4: Yeah?

17:05 Speaker 9: So I'd say the average gig is two forty five minute sets. Yeah, so usually put one original in each set.

17:14 Speaker 8: Yeah.

17:14 Speaker 9: Well sometimes if you can tell it's one it's a really hyper audience that just wants to hear bangrafter bang of songs that they know that they can sing along to, then I'll just call it the originals.

17:23 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, no, I yeah, I understand. Yeah that makes sense. Now, by the way, is there a video for Turn the Sound Around? Or is it just the single?

17:36 Speaker 4: No, there isn't a video for that one.

17:37 Speaker 9: We're thinking we'll get a video for one of the songs from the EP, but I'm not sure which one yet.

17:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, I think I might.

17:44 Speaker 9: I might make a YouTube channel and do a lyric video for it, or maybe just even record myself lip syncing.

17:50 Speaker 4: So there's something there, but nothing proper.

17:52 Speaker 8: I think doing a lyric video for Turn the Sound Around is a really good idea, because again, that's that's a way too Like I said, if somebody likes the song and then they watched the lyric video and then it's like, you know, like we were talking about earlier, they're kind of getting the message. There's an important message there being conveyed through a song that's that's kind of fun and catchy. So I think that's great. So Lydia, I really appreciate you joining us this morning. We'll let you go in a moment, and I think we'll to end the segment.

18:17 Speaker 8: We'll give turn this Town around another spin for people who are just joining us. But please tell us where is the best place for people to go to keep up with everything that you're doing, so they can keep an eye out for new music as has come in. Like I said, you've got a lot of new stuff coming up in the future, so we want to make sure people know where should they go online to keep up with Lydia Ready.

18:38 Speaker 9: So to see myself, I've got an Instagram, Facebook, and TikTok all under Lydia Ready music ready.

18:45 Speaker 4: To spell r E D d hy.

18:48 Speaker 9: I do have a Twitter, but I barely have a post on it, so maybe don't go on that understood?

18:54 Speaker 8: Gotcha? Very good? Very good? All right, Lydia, we will let you go again. Thank you so much. We will definitely do this again in the Yeah, we'll definitely do this again in the future as you as you release your music. So love what you're doing. And we will close this segment with again we're gonna play turn this Town Around, your debut single, and Lydia thank you so much.

19:13 Speaker 4: Thanks for having me.

19:14 Speaker 8: See you got it all right? Bye bye, all right, that was Lydia ready and here it is if you missed it again, this is called turn this town around?

19:31 Speaker 2: What's that sound? What's that sound? It out our way? A burns down? Make see scream and shout, hand out, turn this.

19:39 Speaker 3: Town around, stop and look this way.

19:43 Speaker 5: I made some use officials. What us see is what I see, and this is a travesty. The earth is Try to now and you don't see the tragedy. It's a blurring al it's one and I is a blinded. We think it's typical, but that's just cars.

19:58 Speaker 1: What's so shallow?

19:59 Speaker 6: Mine? Dad?

20:00 Speaker 3: What's that sound? What's that sound? Get out my way or burns down? Mixie and scream and shout and I'll.

20:08 Speaker 2: Turn this town round. Peep everywhere.

20:13 Speaker 5: Pivot your parts and nurture, ant care for this world of ours.

20:18 Speaker 2: I believe the earth will no longer fall apart.

20:23 Speaker 1: We can do.

20:23 Speaker 5: Little back to Cather and find a piece of less forever.

20:31 Speaker 6: What's that sound?

20:32 Speaker 1: What's it sound?

20:33 Speaker 6: O my way?

20:34 Speaker 2: O burns down, mixie and scream.

20:37 Speaker 5: And shout, pan out, turn this town round?

20:40 Speaker 2: What's it sound? What's it sound?

20:42 Speaker 6: And get out my way?

20:44 Speaker 3: Or burns down, mixie and scream and shout, pan out on this town around?

20:55 Speaker 2: What's itun?

20:59 Speaker 1: Turn this?

21:04 Speaker 2: What's that sounds?

21:09 Speaker 1: It sounds sound?

21:13 Speaker 3: Puts down, bakesy and scream and shout. And also on this town around, wells it sound? What's it sound? Moy booms down, bakesy, scream and shout.

21:26 Speaker 6: And also on this town round.

21:40 Speaker 8: There it is? That is Lydia already turned this town around a great track, and we look forward to hearing more from her in the future. And sounds like yeah like I like I said to uh to Lydia, you know she's got a she's got a really detailed long term plan, which is great. I was impressed because you don't see that a lot. I love that song, you know, in terms of oh yeah, absolutely, especially kind of knowing realizing because like I said, I didn't I guess the first time I listened to it, I didn't pay close enough attention of the lyrics.

22:08 Speaker 8: And then I listened to it again and I was like, Oh, this is something more, something more going on here. But there's let's see, we're gonna do I think a little more music news here. If you are just joining us Matt connorton Unleashed. We are live from the studios of w m n H ninety five point three FM and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire, and you can stream the show from anywhere Matt connorton dot com, slash Live. And we weren't gonna talk, so I kind of had a different idea of what we're going to talk about this segment.

22:44 Speaker 8: But then I realized something. So you had mentioned, Jenny, there's new information regarding this lawsuit Salt and Pepa versus UMG Universal Music Group, And oh, I just got a text message. By the way, oh the Stiff Tones are here.

23:07 Speaker 10: I shall.

23:09 Speaker 8: Our our three guests has arrived, so Jenny's gonna go let them in. But yeah, Universal disputes Salt and Pepe's termination rights claim says the rappers never transferred any recording rights to their label. The reason I decided I wanted to pivot to this story is because UMG Universal Music Group seems to come up a lot on the show, because it seems like Universal Music Group is constantly either being sued or countersuing somebody. I remember months ago we talked about the Olympiscuit lawsuit against UMG.

23:41 Speaker 8: There's always something with UMG. Always seems to be something sketchy going on. Obviously, the point of view that we come from with this show is we always will advocate and support artists and the rights of artists. And it is not an unusual or rare tale to hear about artists getting screwed over in the music industry, and very often it happens at the hands of these big labels and Universal Music Group. If you are gauging this based on the number of lawsuits involving UMG, they might be the number one offenders in terms of screwing over the artists that they represent.

24:23 Speaker 8: Now, I understand the two sides to every story, or maybe three, you know, they say this three sides yours mind and the truth, and these things are not always as simple as they might appear. But again, you know, on this show, we have a specific point of view. This is a very independent, artist centric radio show, so we have a point of view that we will always defend and stick up for artists and advocate for artists. And Universal Music Group certainly doesn't need our help and support. So so this is this is an update.

24:54 Speaker 8: This just happened. This just went up on well, this actually went up on an number of places, Billboard dot com and various sites. But this just went up yesterday, so it says here. Earlier this year, Assault and PEPA sued UMG, claiming that the major label was refusing to allow them to reclaim the rights to their nineteen eighties recordings, even though copyright law allows them to terminate any transfer of rights after thirty five years. The major now says there was never any transfer of rights to terminate.

25:28 Speaker 8: So this gets into the weeds a little bit. But you know, because again sometimes artists, major artists, this happens. I mean, it can happen with any artists at any level. But you know, and again people outside the industry might not know this, but you know, just because you create music and put music out, release music, doesn't mean you own the rights to it, and there's you know, there's publishing rights, and there's your masters, your master recordings and various things. And depending on what kind of a contract you have, you're late might own the rights to your publishing.

26:01 Speaker 8: They might own the rights to your masters. Sometimes artists will go and you know, Taylor Swift, as a means of reclaiming the rights to her material, actually went and re recorded everything.

26:16 Speaker 10: And now, who was somebody just bought back their whole catalog? I thought that was her. I thought it was Taylor Swift that bought back their whole catalgy.

26:22 Speaker 8: I think she was. She did something where but it involved her re recording for her music. Yeah, so that way she doesn't need the original masters. She just re recorded everything. Def Leppard did something similar, like I don't know, ten fifteen years ago, but that had something to do with iTunes and that was a complicated thing. But so this is what it says here. This is the update. Universal Music has asked a US court to dismiss the termination rights lawsuit filed against it by rap duo Assault and Peppa.

26:56 Speaker 8: The major says that while US copyright law allows creators to terminate a transfer of rights or grant of rights after thirty five years. Salt and Peppa never actually granted any rights in their nineteen eighties record deals, which means there's nothing to terminate now. The relevant agreements under which Salt and Peppa's recordings were created quote contain no grant of copyright rights unquote from the rappers. A new legal filing from the major claims a producer the duo worked with did grant some rights in one arrangement.

27:31 Speaker 8: I'm sorry in one agreement, but neither Salt nor Pepa were directly involved in that part of the deal, and a grant of rights. Universal adds as quote a fundamental requirement of the Copyright Acts termination provisions unquote. That fact, it says, was confirmed in a previous termination rights legal battle involving Universal, in which the litigious artists were represented by the same lawyers as Salt and Peppa. Those attorneys may now have quote chosen to ignore that decision unquote, it says, but there is still quote no basis for any different result here.

28:04 Speaker 8: Quote. Unsurprisingly, Salt and Pepa an are not impressed with Universal's arguments, a spokesperson told Billboard quote the Copyright Act was designed to give artists a chance to reclaim ownership of their work, which is precisely what Salt and Peppa have been attempting to do, and UMG continues to resist unquote the major's arguments, UMG, the spokesperson added, quote are just what we expected, an effort to avoid addressing the core issues facing Salt and Peppa and so many other artists in these circumstances.

28:36 Speaker 8: But we remain confident that the facts and the law are on our side unquote. Salt and Peppa real names Cheryl James and Sandra Denton, sued Universal in May after it knocked back the duo's efforts to reclaim ownership of their nineteen eighties albums by exercising the termination right. At the time, they said that the major was employing heavy handed tactics which might work on lesser known artists, but Salt and Pepa quote would not tolerate any disrespect from UMG unquote. It is true there are some complications relating to the termination right under US law, which in music apply more on the recording side than with publishing contracts if an artist is employed.

29:20 Speaker 8: Okay, now this gets into the weeds, but this is important in order for us to understand what's happening here. So if an artist is employed by a label on a work for higher basis, then the label owns the copyright in the recordings by default, so there is no transfer of rights. And by the way, so that's that's no different than any employer that you work for, or if you're freelancing, but you know, you sign some sort of contract that might say this your work product for that employer, you don't own it.

29:52 Speaker 8: Your employer owns it. So in theory, anything that you create develop, et cetera, for that employer like you, you don't get to take that with you. If it's some sort of creative work that's owned by your employer, you created it under their direction. And you know, we can have arguments about whether that's fair or not or whether it depends on the situation, which it probably does, whether it's fair or not, et cetera. But but that's basically it's it's no different than that. So if you're employed by a label doing whatever, you're a recording artist, or you're a producer, or you're you work in a and R or I don't even know what jobs exist at at these labels anymore, because everything's changed so much.

30:32 Speaker 8: But but uh, I mean I did some work for Artemis Records, but that was a long time ago, so everything's different now. But anyway, but the point being, you know that that label is most likely going to own whatever you create for that label. Okay, so things again, going back to the article, things also get complicated where artists do deals with producers and then producers do deals with label. So you're the artist, you have a deal with your your producer, and your deal with your producer is your deal, but they've got another deal.

31:11 Speaker 8: And again, this happens. This doesn't just happen in the music industry. This can happen in any industry, any type of business situation. You've got a deal with somebody and that's your deal with that entity, but that entity also they have their own deal with somebody that might affect your deal in ways that you don't know because you don't know about the other deal, and you can't anticipate how that's going to affect you.

31:32 Speaker 10: This is all confusing to you. What is it like for the artist?

31:37 Speaker 11: You know?

31:37 Speaker 8: What it reminds me of. It reminds me of like when I was a kid, if like I had a friend and This is probably something that's happened to people. I think people will find this example relatable. But I remember this happening to me once, Like a friend borrows a dollar from me because so they can get something like a milk with their lunch or something. Right like when I'm a kid that bars a dollar from me, and then they tell me they're going to pay me back. But then when I go to collect, when they say, oh, yeah, i'll pay you back tomorrow.

32:05 Speaker 8: And then I go to them tomorrow and they say, oh, yeah, I don't owe you that because somebody else borrowed a dollar from me, So now they owe you that dollar. You know what I mean? Yes, like I'm not paying you back. No, no, you have to go get the dollar from this other person who I loan money to. Now they owe you the money, which is such a BS way to do things. But but you know, that type of thing would happen. And then, of course, and then we don't know what happens next. Right, you go to the person and then they say, what why are you trying to get a dollar for me?

32:37 Speaker 8: I don't know you a dollar? Why why does your deal with this person affect me? And so forth and you know. Anyway, Universal argues that these things apply in this case in legal It's legal filing runs through the complicated series of deals between James and Denton and producer Asar, between the producer and Next Plateau Records, and between Next Plateau Records and London Records, which is now part of Universal. See, these things get very, very very complicated by the way. This is an example too, because things get so complicated.

33:18 Speaker 8: Remember when Limp Biscuits sued UH and that's ongoing. I believe their lawsuit against UMG. The I forget her name now her actual name, but her YouTube channel is top Music Attorney, and she talks about all this stuff. And I'm sure she has stuff on her YouTube channel. I haven't looked at it recently. I'm sure she has stuff on her YouTube channel about this. She's an entertainment lawyer with a very successful YouTube channel. And she says that UMG does something that is often referred to as spaghetti accounting, where the accounting becomes so complicated that you can't even audit it because it's so

33:59 Speaker 8: and it's and it's by design, it's it's this is done intentionally so that the label doesn't have to pay you anything because they say, no, we don't owe you anything. We still you know, there's still recruitment. You haven't your project, your album whatever, hasn't made enough money, hasn't generated enough revenue, so we don't owe you anything because you haven't your your recruitment has not yet been fulfilled. And then you say, okay, well, our lawyers are going to audit our account. And then it's very difficult to do that because everything's a mess anyway, but it's but it's an intentional mess.

34:31 Speaker 12: That's one of the things that's in the Jane's addiction lawsuit is that there was money fronted to them for the tour ah and now they got to give it or for the album. The promised an album going to happen, So now all that money has to be given back.

34:47 Speaker 8: Yep, yeah, yeah.

34:51 Speaker 10: So her name is miss Crystal with a case.

34:53 Speaker 8: Oh miss Crystal, thank you.

34:54 Speaker 10: Yes, the number one music business school for artists. I never do this existed?

34:59 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, no, Miss Crystal. She has a lot of great content. Again, it's kind of stuff.

35:03 Speaker 10: It's online classes and everything. We should get her on if we can.

35:05 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, that's a great idea. Yeah, I'd love to have her on Yeah, and she's again, if you really want to get into the weeds with this stuff, she's Her YouTube channel is great and she explains things in a way that, you know, someone like me, I'm not an attorney, I have no legal training of any kind, but she explains it in a way that it goes very in depth, so I can I can understand because I'm you know, I like that kind of stuff. I'm obviously very interested in it, but without it getting so far advanced with legal lees that I can't comprehend it, you know what I mean exactly.

35:37 Speaker 8: So that's why I recommend her if you're interested in this kind of thing. You know, obviously, I mean, I never had any interest in becoming an attorney, but if I had gone to law school, my goal probably would have been to deal with contract law and uh or I'd probably would be an entertainment lawyer. And I find trademark law very interesting and anything to do with copyrights and oh yeah, intellectual property all that's fascinating to me. So that's probably the kind of law had I taken that path, that I would be practicing.

36:06 Speaker 8: But but yeah, so I do recommend her YouTube channel, Top Music Attorney on. Yeah, it's it's pretty in depth, and I'm sure she has stuff about this lawsuit on there. A little bit more to this, it says, again, this is from the article. The whole dispute pretty much swings on one line in a nineteen eighty six agreement between James and Denton and Azor's Business, which says that his production company quote shall be the sole and exclusive owner of any and all rights, title, and or interest in and to the master recordings recorded here under, including but not limited to the worldwide sound copyrights there and and the renewal rights thereof unquote.

36:51 Speaker 10: I think we should pass a lot that says everything has to be written in English.

36:54 Speaker 8: Well, that's that's that's clear if you break it down, I mean basically, I mean I can it's just the well, yeah, but I can. But we can sum that up right. In other words, Azor's Business owns everything, and that's what that That's what that line says, that owns everything.

37:08 Speaker 1: That you are their.

37:09 Speaker 12: Slave, isn't that That's why Prince wrote slave across his cheek yep when he was fighting.

37:13 Speaker 8: With his record And that's exactly the kind of thing that if you have a really good entertainment lawyer, And and you're presented with a contract like that, your entertainment lawyer is going to say to you, I don't think you should sign this. So it says here the question is was that a simple statement of fact confirming Universal's view that Azor's company was the default owner of the sound recording copyrights created under the deal, or was it, in fact a transfer of copyrights from the rappers to the producer.

37:42 Speaker 8: Universal argues that other terms in the same deal relating to their to other rights such as name and likeness rights, include explicit language regarding the transfer of rights. The fact that explicit language isn't that crucial, Uh, isn't in that crucial term about the recording rights means no transfer took place. It adds, we will see how the court now deals with these arguments. If the judge does ultimately rule against Universal, it has a second argument already lined up that some of the key recordings under dispute are remixes.

38:15 Speaker 8: See that gets complicated, and the termination right doesn't apply to so called derivative works.

38:23 Speaker 10: So anything they can do to rip off the artists.

38:27 Speaker 8: So even if James and Denton had transferred rights back in the nineteen eighties, the termination right still wouldn't apply to remixes organized by their labels while those labels were in control of the main copyright. The second argument may or may not be relevant in this dispute, but it could nevertheless be a cause of concern for other artists in those genres where remixes are common and who are looking to exercise the termination right, especially where it's a remix that proved to be the biggest.

38:55 Speaker 10: Hit that's our I didn't even think about that.

39:00 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah, oh yeah, it gets It gets very complicated. It gets very complicated.

39:06 Speaker 10: Humans make it.

39:07 Speaker 8: So one other quick thing will do and then we'll uh and then we'll play some more tunes. And if you're just joining us live, of course we have the Stiff Tones coming up in the third hour, and they're already in the building.

39:19 Speaker 12: So in just in just a couple of minutes. What do you mean, sort of not quite in the building. They're at the building. Oh, they'll let me know when they're ready to be in the building.

39:27 Speaker 8: Oh okay, gotcha, gotcha. This is from Digital Music News.

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39:34 Speaker 8: There is an actual well, it does say online that's one of their uh have hearst will travel very good, and they do very good.

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39:46 Speaker 8: Country Music Festival issues full refunds after failing to launch, latest in spate of country festivals getting mixed until I saw this. By the way, this sound occurred to me. You don't see a lot of country music festivals, like big, large scale festival, contrasting with rock festivals and hip hop festivals. Yeah, lots of metal festivals, county country festivals, it seems like you don't see as many of them. And apparently there's some weird lights, like their curse or something, it says. Michigan's Country Roads Music Festival issues full refunds following a twenty twenty five cancelation, but plans to revive the event for twenty twenty six, it says.

40:24 Speaker 8: It says. After Faster Horses Music Festival announced its cancelation in January, event organizers aimed to fill the void with the Country Roads Music Festival at the same venue, the Michigan International Speedway. But now Country Roads has been canceled, with plans to revive the event next year. So what went wrong? Quote, All tickets will be fully refunded. You don't need to do a thing. We'll handle it on our end and make sure the money gets back to you as quickly as possible. The post says, this community means the world to us, and we can't wait to share something really special with you in twenty twenty six.

41:01 Speaker 8: Oh I missed the first paragraph of that, So the first paragraph of the announcement says, quote, this wasn't an easy call, but we truly believe it's the right one. Our goal has always been to create something meaningful for this community, and we want to give it the time and care it deserves. So that's from the Instagram post announcing the tourist cancelation. Country Roads was due to kick off on July eighteen, yesterday, at the Groves of Michigan campground, but its cancelation was announced just four days prior.

41:32 Speaker 8: Wow, just four days before the festival they announced it was canceled. According to festival organizer Darcy Keys, their team was simply not prepared to pull off a festival in such a short amount of time, especially when many potential attendees don't order tickets until the last minute. By the way, so I've been involved in festivals. Festivals take I mean a large scale festival with national artists and the whole thing like what it sounds like they were doing that can take like a year, a solid year of planning.

42:10 Speaker 8: It really can doesn't have to. I mean, it might only take six months, but it sounds like they tried to do something quick here that they just couldn't do.

42:19 Speaker 11: So.

42:20 Speaker 8: Keyes also said, quote, I don't think that we ever got to that critical minimum ticket sales level. We probably only had about three and a half months, and I think in hindsight, it probably wasn't sufficient time to be able to promote the festival. Unquote, yeah, three and a half months is not enough time for a major festival, but she isn't ready to completely throw on the towel. Keys said that trying to put on the festival in such a short time this year was a learning experience and she looks forward to bringing the vision to life in twenty twenty six.

42:49 Speaker 8: Naturally, fans who were planning to attend have shared their disappointment on social media, but singer Mikaela Prue, who was due to perform at the festival, noted how such cancelations impact artists, especially lesser known ones, and that relates to what we were talking about with Jane's addiction. By the way, how you know, when things get canceled, whether it's a tour or whether it's a festival, it affects a lot of people, especially lesser known artists like MICHAELA.

43:16 Speaker 10: Prue, who many people were lined up to open.

43:19 Speaker 8: Oh yeah, but also, you know, it affects everything, and it has a ripple effect. And if you're not if you're not super famous and rich, you know, you can really take a hit financially. It can really screw things up for you. MICHAELA Prue also said, quote, festivals are obviously a major way that growing artists like me get their name out there. It's also one of the main ways that myself and my band generate income. Unquote. It's a matter of hard times for up and coming musicians compounded by hard times for potential attendees, an economic struggle.

43:52 Speaker 8: As economic struggles make it more difficult for fans to justify buying tickets to these events, more live music festivals will undoubtedly see the acts, leaving artists who depend on that income holding the bag. So there you go. So another another festival, u down the tubes and more lawsuits and more lawsuits. Yes, yes, yes, well so I think we will. Uh, let's Uh, let's play something. If you are listening live. We've got the stiff Tones coming up in the third hour. Uh, but uh, I think we should play I think we should play city Lights again.

44:29 Speaker 8: We played it in the first hour. I think we should play it again. City Lights into a single from our friends Flair from all the way in the UK. I love this song so much. And uh, and then we'll show some love to our amazing sponsors. And then when we come back with our number three, we will have the Stiff Tones here with us in studio. And I'm dying to get a I started to make a pun without even realizing I was doing it. I started to say, I'm dying to get a look at that hearse. God, but I don't want I didn't even mean to do it, but I realized as soon as I started the sentence.

44:59 Speaker 8: I'm like, I'm dying to actually, but I am. I'm dying to get a look at that hearse. The stiff Tones are here in a hearse. All right, this is city Lights Blair.

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