Matt Connarton Unleashed 7-26-25 hour 1

0:23 Speaker 1: Here we go.

0:24 Speaker 2: Welcome everybody.

0:25 Speaker 3: It is that time again, Matt Connorton Unleashed and we

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0:42 Speaker 3: July twenty six, twenty twenty five, and I am not alone.

0:54 Speaker 4: Jimmy Dure.

1:00 Speaker 2: Morning Sunshine.

1:01 Speaker 3: Jenny is here at the news table. Good morning, yes, yes, yes,

1:06 Speaker 3: it can be another hot day in the city.

1:08 Speaker 5: Yes, And the haze in the air is actually smoke

1:13 Speaker 5: from Canada.

1:14 Speaker 1: Canada once again on fire.

1:16 Speaker 2: This air is ucking.

1:18 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, if you've had if you have asthma like

1:22 Speaker 3: I do, you know you definitely want to be mindful

1:23 Speaker 3: of that kind of thing, air quality and so forth.

1:26 Speaker 3: But we have an exciting show for you today and

1:29 Speaker 3: of course later on, probably in the second hour, after

1:32 Speaker 3: we talked to Lyle Hutchins, we'll talk a little bit

1:34 Speaker 3: about what we did last weekend because we went to

1:36 Speaker 3: a big show at Jewel saw some great bands there

1:40 Speaker 3: and lots to talk about, and of course we lost

1:42 Speaker 3: some lost some people.

1:44 Speaker 1: This week.

1:45 Speaker 3: We'll probably talk about that in the second hour as well,

1:47 Speaker 3: but right now joining us, let me get these mics

1:50 Speaker 3: up here. We have so making his return to well

1:52 Speaker 3: technically they're both making returns to the show.

1:54 Speaker 1: But we do have Jesse Rutstein here.

1:56 Speaker 3: Hello, Jesse, Hello, welcome, Thank you having me anxious to

2:01 Speaker 3: talk to you about.

2:01 Speaker 2: The new EP, anxious to talk about it.

2:03 Speaker 3: And share some share some tunes from it, and uh

2:06 Speaker 3: and get into it. This is your Is this your

2:08 Speaker 3: second time on the show?

2:09 Speaker 2: This is my second time on the show.

2:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, and you have with you so you brought

2:13 Speaker 3: Caleb Caleb Diris here, Hello, Caleb, Hello, Hello, Now this

2:17 Speaker 3: is your I think this is your second time on

2:18 Speaker 3: the show, but you don't correct, you don't remember the

2:21 Speaker 3: original time.

2:21 Speaker 2: But that's okay.

2:22 Speaker 6: I recalled being on TV, yeah, on the Public Access

2:26 Speaker 6: TV with with fellow representative Gary.

2:30 Speaker 1: Garry Hopper Garry Hopper Wake, Cary Hopper Lake.

2:32 Speaker 2: Carrie Hopper.

2:33 Speaker 6: Yes, and uh, I so you tell me immediately thereafter

2:39 Speaker 6: or something.

2:39 Speaker 2: To that effect.

2:40 Speaker 1: Right, it was, it was before, it was right before,

2:42 Speaker 1: it was right before.

2:43 Speaker 6: Yeah, that that that makes sense as well, that I

2:46 Speaker 6: was on your show and I I fully accept that

2:48 Speaker 6: because I did a few different radio I did radio

2:51 Speaker 6: I think in Texas, in a couple other states, Michigan

2:56 Speaker 6: as well. Yeah, for stuff all around that time.

2:58 Speaker 3: Yep, yep, Yeah, that day you were on with Brandon

3:01 Speaker 3: Finney and I think you guys were both state reps

3:04 Speaker 3: at the time of front.

3:04 Speaker 6: Indeed, much like the honorable Jank Coffee, except we were

3:08 Speaker 6: in the.

3:10 Speaker 2: Legislature right after you left.

3:12 Speaker 1: Right, Yes, I left in twenty twelve.

3:15 Speaker 6: Okay, yeah, so one separated by one term in between.

3:17 Speaker 1: The Yeah, yeah, yep, yep. And Brandon's been on the

3:21 Speaker 1: show with Vigil. Oh excellent, Yeah.

3:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, excellent.

3:23 Speaker 6: I'm so glad all of that former state reps doing music.

3:27 Speaker 6: So much more productive and beautiful, no kidding, much healthier

3:32 Speaker 6: for the song indeed.

3:33 Speaker 3: Yes, And I love Brandon's band. Vigil is absolutely amazing.

3:37 Speaker 3: They are very good, absolutely bavy.

3:39 Speaker 1: But so Jesse. When you were on with us before

3:42 Speaker 1: I think.

3:43 Speaker 3: You you had released You had released a couple of

3:45 Speaker 3: songs I think as singles or refreshed my memory.

3:48 Speaker 2: So this, this entire project is being produced by myself

3:54 Speaker 2: and Caleb, and I had released two singles basically to

3:57 Speaker 2: just work out the kinks leading up to the EP

4:02 Speaker 2: because I didn't know what I was doing. Now I'm

4:05 Speaker 2: my own record producer in addition, in addition to being

4:09 Speaker 2: the singers, songwriter, musician and all of it. So I

4:14 Speaker 2: did work out all the kinks. We released Stay Anywhere

4:17 Speaker 2: and Dear Baby Gene first, and those two songs are

4:21 Speaker 2: on the EP, along with On Your Toes, Getting Nowhere

4:26 Speaker 2: and Lost in It All. Yeah.

4:28 Speaker 3: I remember, yeah, you play it because the last time

4:30 Speaker 3: you hear you played live, and I think you had

4:31 Speaker 3: played Dear Baby Jeen live in studio.

4:34 Speaker 2: You played the recording Dear Baby Gene I had played

4:38 Speaker 2: On Your Toes and Superhero Toys. Oh okay, yeah.

4:42 Speaker 1: Right, okay, yeah, it becomes a blur, you know what.

4:45 Speaker 3: Dear Baby Gen though, stands out in my mind because

4:47 Speaker 3: I remember you talking about it saying, you know, someone

4:48 Speaker 3: was going to be mad.

4:49 Speaker 2: When they heard it. Yeah, very interesting.

4:51 Speaker 1: So I have to ask you a follow up question.

4:53 Speaker 1: I am a journalist, after all.

4:57 Speaker 2: I don't know. We haven't talked about it. This person

4:59 Speaker 2: is very close to me in a in a family

5:02 Speaker 2: kind of way, and we get along just fine. Now

5:05 Speaker 2: that's good. We get along just fine. But My art

5:08 Speaker 2: is my art I released. I wrote the song two

5:10 Speaker 2: years ago, we released it, and that you know, would

5:16 Speaker 2: I do like instead of getting angry or sad and

5:21 Speaker 2: I just put it all into my music. So you know,

5:23 Speaker 2: you ever want to know what I'm thinking, just listen

5:25 Speaker 2: to my latest my latest releases.

5:28 Speaker 3: Well it's like we talk about this comes up all

5:30 Speaker 3: the time on the show. How I mean, isn't that

5:32 Speaker 3: kind of the best way to work through things is

5:34 Speaker 3: through creativity?

5:35 Speaker 2: Oh?

5:35 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, I mean what better therapy is there

5:37 Speaker 3: than that then than taking something, especially if it's something

5:39 Speaker 3: really negative, something that maybe has caused trauma anything at all,

5:42 Speaker 3: and creating something from it. I mean, that's what's better

5:45 Speaker 3: than that.

5:45 Speaker 1: You know.

5:46 Speaker 2: That's how this whole thing happened. Yeah, that's how this

5:48 Speaker 2: whole thing happened. Last year, twenty twenty four. I had

5:52 Speaker 2: a very turbulent twenty twenty four. I won't for you

5:55 Speaker 2: with the details, but it was a very sad, sad

5:58 Speaker 2: time in my life. And uh, I had stopped playing music,

6:03 Speaker 2: and it was I was in I was in a

6:06 Speaker 2: bad place. And uh, around December January ish, this guy

6:13 Speaker 2: just said, enough, dude, enough, let's get back in the studio,

6:18 Speaker 2: let's get these songs going, because we had we had

6:21 Speaker 2: a bunch of material, uh from from before that we

6:26 Speaker 2: were working on. And that's what I did and music

6:29 Speaker 2: was my therapy. I'm, you know, doing a lot better now.

6:33 Speaker 2: I'm on I'm on fire right now. Like I was

6:36 Speaker 2: on the radio in Nashua the day after the release,

6:40 Speaker 2: I was pumped and I'm just the music saved me.

6:47 Speaker 2: The music saved me because I was not not in

6:49 Speaker 2: a good way. And Caleb, Caleb.

6:51 Speaker 6: I've seen them before and after. I can attest.

6:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was tough love too. He wasn't nice about it. No, yeah,

6:57 Speaker 2: he wasn't.

6:58 Speaker 6: But I was like, you, you are too good of

7:00 Speaker 6: a songwriter to not be doing this and doing it

7:04 Speaker 6: with you know, the full effort that it requires to

7:07 Speaker 6: do it. You know, I've been basically since I stopped

7:12 Speaker 6: kind of doing all political things, I've been doing music

7:15 Speaker 6: pretty much full time.

7:17 Speaker 1: Comes up a lot on the show.

7:18 Speaker 6: Yeah, I'm I'm sure it does, Yea, I do get

7:21 Speaker 6: around at this point, you know. I I've been been

7:25 Speaker 6: doing it, and I've been trying to be kind of

7:28 Speaker 6: a side man for not just Jesse, but as many

7:31 Speaker 6: people as I can to try to, you know, find

7:34 Speaker 6: people who I think, man, they're doing something really nice

7:36 Speaker 6: and let's let's take it. And that's actually the whole,

7:39 Speaker 6: the whole impetus for Hatchet, Acs and Saw, which is

7:42 Speaker 6: kind of this is the first time we're kind of

7:43 Speaker 6: publicizing this week, we've saw, we've softly launched it. Now

7:48 Speaker 6: today is kind of the I guess the the world premiere.

7:51 Speaker 6: But we're not trying to solicit a whole lot of

7:54 Speaker 6: clients right now. We we kind of want to focus

7:56 Speaker 6: on just people we know locally, who you know, are

8:00 Speaker 6: producing really good original art. And and you know, the

8:05 Speaker 6: impetus for that was these two songs, these the two

8:08 Speaker 6: singles that that Jesse released, but specifically Dear Baby Gene.

8:12 Speaker 6: For me at least, was listening to that, listening to

8:16 Speaker 6: the quality of what we put out and and and

8:20 Speaker 6: what that song was, and and it got me thinking,

8:23 Speaker 6: I'm thinking, like, how can we take this what we're

8:25 Speaker 6: doing right now, Jesse and I and turn this into

8:28 Speaker 6: a business model and apply it to well beyond just

8:33 Speaker 6: the two of us. And you know, I mean, I

8:36 Speaker 6: obviously I have some selfish motivations. Eventually I would like

8:38 Speaker 6: to record or re record some of my own tunes,

8:41 Speaker 6: which are as of yet unreleased, but I I principally

8:44 Speaker 6: do want to do this to get you know, other

8:47 Speaker 6: very talented artists, like you know a band that I

8:52 Speaker 6: currently play with, Crank and Wagon. You know, we're eventually

8:56 Speaker 6: going to record some sort of of album I'm sure

8:59 Speaker 6: in the next year, and you know, we we want

9:02 Speaker 6: to get that out, but we also want to get

9:04 Speaker 6: out like Cosmic Blossom.

9:06 Speaker 2: If you're not familiar with Nick Burns.

9:09 Speaker 6: And in the the genius of of that that group

9:13 Speaker 6: and the music that they put out, get familiar.

9:16 Speaker 2: But it's the Cosmic Blossom absolutely.

9:18 Speaker 6: And and one of the playing is oh yeah, I

9:21 Speaker 6: I've talked with Nick. He's going to be doing the

9:24 Speaker 6: artwork for Hatchet Acts and so cool, but we've both

9:28 Speaker 6: discussed that with him, but also getting Cosmic Blossom in

9:33 Speaker 6: to do one of my tunes. So I've got a

9:36 Speaker 6: very funky tune that I think that they would do.

9:38 Speaker 2: Very well with.

9:39 Speaker 6: And it's very tentative. I know Meg is you know

9:42 Speaker 6: Meg and Nick. Of course they're going to have their

9:44 Speaker 6: child very soon for uh early congratulations to them. I graduation.

9:49 Speaker 6: I saw Meg yesterday at Troutstock. She was rocking out

9:52 Speaker 6: with pit the young one in there, so that kid

9:55 Speaker 6: is gonna come out rocking.

9:56 Speaker 2: So yeah, very cool. But anyhow, you know, it's actually

10:02 Speaker 2: really it's funny we're talking about cosmic because Nick is

10:05 Speaker 2: actually on the song On Your Toes. He plays the

10:09 Speaker 2: lead guitar and he absolutely that he transformed that tune

10:15 Speaker 2: and it was it was one of the It was

10:18 Speaker 2: the first song that actually I was like, yep, I'm

10:23 Speaker 2: not just releasing singles. This is gonna be an ep.

10:26 Speaker 2: The song is about my daughter. It's a beautiful, beautiful

10:30 Speaker 2: like ode to dancing. My daughter's a ballerina. She she

10:34 Speaker 2: dances on point shoes and for those that don't know

10:37 Speaker 2: what that is, it's it's like their little pieces of

10:40 Speaker 2: wood that that's how the ballerinas spin the way they

10:43 Speaker 2: do that go in the bottom of their shoes. And

10:46 Speaker 2: the song was about how nervous she was about getting

10:49 Speaker 2: on that, you know, and and and learning it. And

10:52 Speaker 2: then the first time that I actually saw her do it,

10:56 Speaker 2: and it was I mean, she's my daughter, so I'm biased,

11:00 Speaker 2: but she's a magnificent person to begin with and a

11:03 Speaker 2: wonderful dancer. And it was the first time that I

11:06 Speaker 2: saw her dance on her toes, and this song started

11:08 Speaker 2: off as just me an acoustic I remember, Jen, you

11:11 Speaker 2: said that was the one you liked the most when

11:13 Speaker 2: I was here last, and so I was like, all right,

11:19 Speaker 2: going along with the turbulence from twenty twenty four. There

11:23 Speaker 2: was a breakup involved, and there was a song that

11:25 Speaker 2: I wrote for the person that I'm no longer with,

11:28 Speaker 2: and I didn't want to play that song anymore. But

11:32 Speaker 2: the drums Seth Cedars, huge shout out to Seth Cedars,

11:36 Speaker 2: our drummer mad man, he's the best yes's in the business.

11:41 Speaker 2: But the drum track was so good. I'm like, I

11:43 Speaker 2: can't get rid of these drums, right, What am I

11:45 Speaker 2: going to do? And it just so happens that the

11:49 Speaker 2: chords to the prior song and my daughter's song are

11:53 Speaker 2: the same chords. So I was like, all right, let

11:56 Speaker 2: me see if I can work something out here. So

11:58 Speaker 2: I literally went in, chopped his drums tracks up and

12:02 Speaker 2: moved things around and it worked perfectly with the acoustic

12:06 Speaker 2: guitar on the bass, and that's what I thought it

12:07 Speaker 2: was gonna be, just this acoustic tune. And then we

12:10 Speaker 2: had Peter Davis from No More Blue Tomorrows come in

12:13 Speaker 2: and play lead guitar on Dear Baby Jeans. So I'm like,

12:16 Speaker 2: all right, maybe I'm gonna ride this train a little bit,

12:19 Speaker 2: which is exactly what I did. I have so many

12:21 Speaker 2: wonderful musicians that were on these tracks, and so I

12:25 Speaker 2: was like, you know, I was chatting with Peter and

12:27 Speaker 2: Nick one day and I said to Nick, I was like,

12:30 Speaker 2: I got a great song for your style. You want

12:33 Speaker 2: to come down, And I mean, Nick, Nick Burns is

12:36 Speaker 2: a beast. I'm kind of making this whole interview about Nick,

12:39 Speaker 2: but but we love you Nick, indeed, we love you.

12:42 Speaker 2: But he came down, and I didn't know what he

12:47 Speaker 2: was gonna do. Cosmic is a very freeformed band where

12:52 Speaker 2: my stuff is like, it's not intricate, but there are parts,

12:57 Speaker 2: you know. So Nick came down, put down his pedal board,

13:02 Speaker 2: turned the guitar on. He's like, you got an amp.

13:05 Speaker 2: I'm like, oh, yeah, it was actually Chris Drew's amp.

13:07 Speaker 2: Chris Drew and we plug Nick in and he he

13:15 Speaker 2: just transformed the tune and when you play it, you'll

13:18 Speaker 2: be able to hear it. But he just transformed the

13:20 Speaker 2: song into something that I never thought it would ever be.

13:24 Speaker 2: So I was like, all right, well, I got this

13:26 Speaker 2: great tune, but why stop there. Caleb's like, this needs keys, great,

13:31 Speaker 2: put some keys on it. I'm like, all right, my

13:33 Speaker 2: song's done. This is a beautiful, beautiful song. But then

13:37 Speaker 2: I was talking to my buddy Patrick Matthews, who plays saxophone,

13:41 Speaker 2: and I was like, you know what, maybe some saxophone

13:43 Speaker 2: on this song. And then Patrick came down again, just

13:47 Speaker 2: like Nick, super pros. These guys, like everybody that's been

13:51 Speaker 2: involved in this just really professional. And Patrick came down

13:55 Speaker 2: and basically transformed the song again, and I was like.

13:59 Speaker 6: Okay, bangs out in ninety minutes.

14:03 Speaker 4: Yeah.

14:04 Speaker 2: I think Nick's session was was just around the same

14:06 Speaker 2: amount of time.

14:07 Speaker 6: Just I mean in the actual taking, the tracking was

14:10 Speaker 6: like very little of that it.

14:13 Speaker 2: Was And I had never I don't think you have either.

14:15 Speaker 2: We had never really recorded saxophone before, so we didn't

14:19 Speaker 2: really know what we were doing in our in our area.

14:22 Speaker 2: But and so finally song's done, that's it. But then

14:28 Speaker 2: my niece, Josie Rutstein, Josie she's a she's a professional actress.

14:34 Speaker 2: She is sixteen years old, just getting leads and all

14:37 Speaker 2: the plays around town. She's performed at the Palace Theater

14:39 Speaker 2: right down the road. She played me something on her

14:44 Speaker 2: phone of her hitting these high notes because her voice

14:47 Speaker 2: is like off the chart. So I'm like, all right, well,

14:49 Speaker 2: I guess this song isn't done yet. And she came

14:52 Speaker 2: down and recorded the track, and it is just the

14:56 Speaker 2: way the way it came out brings tears to my

14:59 Speaker 2: eyes because, like I, I sent it off to master, to

15:03 Speaker 2: my mastering engineer, Chris Cormier, and and he sent it

15:06 Speaker 2: back to me and it was like hearing my song

15:08 Speaker 2: for the first time, and it was just it still

15:11 Speaker 2: brings tears to my eyes. I love that song, not

15:15 Speaker 2: just because I wrote it, but because of what everybody

15:17 Speaker 2: else did.

15:17 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, I mean the layering and the production of

15:21 Speaker 6: that tune. It did start very simple, as Jesse described,

15:25 Speaker 6: but it didn't. It was never at any point overproduced.

15:28 Speaker 6: It was just kind of like it was a very

15:30 Speaker 6: natural progression of him kind of hearing like, oh, that's

15:34 Speaker 6: a very nice addition and an element. What else? But

15:38 Speaker 6: is there more? Is there more?

15:41 Speaker 2: And will it? Will it not? Promise it's done? Promise

15:45 Speaker 2: will it not sound overdone?

15:46 Speaker 6: And it's not a tune that demands orchestral arrangements or

15:50 Speaker 6: anything crazy like that.

15:51 Speaker 2: But those auxiliary.

15:53 Speaker 6: Elements, you know, the saxophone, the woodwinds and and the

15:57 Speaker 6: guitar that was layered on it, just it really does

16:01 Speaker 6: make that song. Yeah, yeah, and you know, I mean

16:03 Speaker 6: I I don't want to toot his horn too much.

16:06 Speaker 2: You know, he can my head. My head could not

16:09 Speaker 2: possibly get bigger, right.

16:11 Speaker 6: Jesse is an excellent songwriter. And when he is nudged to,

16:16 Speaker 6: you know, to do things and and and consider additional elements,

16:21 Speaker 6: he makes a lot of great choices.

16:22 Speaker 1: Well, very good, Well, I think we should play it.

16:25 Speaker 1: Has this been on the radio yet? This has not

16:27 Speaker 1: been on the radio yet. This is not well you

16:29 Speaker 1: know what that means.

16:30 Speaker 2: I know what that means.

16:32 Speaker 1: All right, here it is.

16:33 Speaker 3: This is the world radio premiere of On Your Toes

16:37 Speaker 3: from Jesse Rutstein.

16:38 Speaker 4: You are listening to walum and.

16:40 Speaker 2: A world premiere.

17:02 Speaker 4: Thesis.

17:03 Speaker 2: It can't be real.

17:06 Speaker 4: Put the lot of when they.

17:08 Speaker 7: Would get me, they'll be out. She could win walk

17:22 Speaker 7: in touching the Tree.

17:25 Speaker 4: And we Touched you and Sally dancing if you to

17:36 Speaker 4: I knew the email when he said inside to.

17:41 Speaker 8: Watch the world when.

17:43 Speaker 9: You first dance with me, I had to old dance,

17:48 Speaker 9: can't you?

17:57 Speaker 4: Said?

17:58 Speaker 7: Love?

18:15 Speaker 10: Now?

18:15 Speaker 4: I can't believe she's reading looking man, I can never

18:21 Speaker 4: be I see a woman, not a girl, and a

18:30 Speaker 4: can man a time of silence.

18:33 Speaker 10: The day came into my life. I've been so proud.

18:44 Speaker 10: I saw a dancing on your tour.

18:49 Speaker 4: I knew a name man.

18:51 Speaker 11: To say it to watch a girl when you first

18:57 Speaker 11: dance with me, I have to watch you can't go?

19:09 Speaker 4: She said up.

19:17 Speaker 8: Yeah, hello, the man saw you dancing. How are your time.

19:33 Speaker 4: Of what? The man said it? Song? The man saw

19:43 Speaker 4: your dancing?

19:45 Speaker 8: Hung it to.

19:47 Speaker 12: Sam said it, yeah, it's watch a bird.

20:02 Speaker 3: Lots that came out really really well on your toes.

20:33 Speaker 3: Jesse Rutstein here with us live in studio, and Caleb

20:37 Speaker 3: Diler here Caleb Dyer. It's like, I think I do

20:41 Speaker 3: that sometimes I create amalgams of words in my brain

20:44 Speaker 3: if I'm talking too fast.

20:45 Speaker 1: So what did what did I just say? Dialer? Yeah,

20:49 Speaker 1: Caleb and Dyer Dialer, I do that. I do that

20:52 Speaker 1: a lot.

20:53 Speaker 3: So Caleb Dier here with us uh in studio as well,

20:58 Speaker 3: And yeah, that that did come out. That came out fantastic.

21:01 Speaker 3: Thank you absolutely absolutely, And the EP is out on

21:05 Speaker 3: all those streaming platforms.

21:06 Speaker 2: Correct, anywhere you can stream. I didn't even know Pandora

21:09 Speaker 2: was still a thing until the other day. I was

21:12 Speaker 2: talking to somebody who's like, no, I still do Pandora.

21:14 Speaker 2: I'm like, pull it up, see see if I'm on there,

21:16 Speaker 2: and sure enough, oh you yeah, so yeah you could.

21:20 Speaker 2: You can stream it anywhere Spotify, Apple Music, YouTube, YouTube

21:24 Speaker 2: is where I'm doing the best right now. Yeah, Spotify.

21:28 Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel like an old man when

21:30 Speaker 2: I opened Spotify. I'm not crazy about it. I just

21:34 Speaker 2: I didn't get it at first. But my daughter, who

21:38 Speaker 2: that song was about, had to come out, like, because

21:40 Speaker 2: social media is such a huge part of what I'm doing,

21:44 Speaker 2: but I didn't know anything about TikTok or Instagram. And yeah,

21:48 Speaker 2: my daughter had to come over and she's she's credited

21:51 Speaker 2: for marketing on the release. She is. Yeah, she came over.

21:55 Speaker 2: She came over and she showed me how to how

21:57 Speaker 2: to TikTok and how to Instagram and and uh, you know,

22:01 Speaker 2: because I just scroll through Facebook, that was my extent

22:04 Speaker 2: of social media. But it is such a big part

22:06 Speaker 2: of this process, and I didn't realize that when I

22:11 Speaker 2: when I started this whole thing, but I'm getting I'm

22:13 Speaker 2: getting there. I went from having no TikTok at all

22:16 Speaker 2: to twenty six hundred followers, which I know isn't a

22:19 Speaker 2: ton in the world of being an influencer, but it's

22:24 Speaker 2: it's you know, I'm getting some some solid views off

22:27 Speaker 2: of that. People like the videos of my dog more

22:29 Speaker 2: than the videos of me singing. Oh really, so I

22:31 Speaker 2: just start I just started making videos of me singing

22:33 Speaker 2: to my dog. Here you go.

22:35 Speaker 1: Smart, that's smart. Yeah.

22:37 Speaker 2: Yeah.

22:38 Speaker 1: In a couple of minutes, we're going to play another track,

22:40 Speaker 1: Getting Nowhere.

22:41 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, getting Nowhere.

22:43 Speaker 1: We should talk about that one. That's that's and that's

22:45 Speaker 1: that's a very different vibe.

22:46 Speaker 2: Than oh, totally different, totally different. I Uh, this is

22:51 Speaker 2: the one I'm the most nervous about. I'm nervous about

22:54 Speaker 2: it because people could easily take take it the wrong way.

22:58 Speaker 2: It's it's yeah, so that the last song was very

23:01 Speaker 2: you know, beautiful saxophone about your kid, Oh what a

23:05 Speaker 2: nice guy. Getting Nowhere is quite the opposite. It's super gritty,

23:09 Speaker 2: almost pop punk, heavily influenced by like the heavy Sublime

23:14 Speaker 2: style late nineties vibe, and it's about it's about politics.

23:24 Speaker 2: So so I'm a middle of the road kind of guy.

23:28 Speaker 2: I believe in a lot of things that the left

23:31 Speaker 2: says and a lot of things that the right says.

23:33 Speaker 2: And I'm in the middle. So when I talk about politics,

23:36 Speaker 2: everybody hates me. Yeah, yeah, you know, I've seen some

23:41 Speaker 2: of your posts, you know, and so so, But that's

23:43 Speaker 2: what the song's about. The song is about people going

23:47 Speaker 2: back and forth on social media and and saying, like

23:51 Speaker 2: writing off family members because of their political views. And

23:54 Speaker 2: if you did this, then you're no longer my friend.

23:57 Speaker 2: And if you did this, then you're you know, I

23:59 Speaker 2: got an uncle who doesn't talk to me because I

24:01 Speaker 2: don't agree with everything he says politically. Yeah, and I

24:05 Speaker 2: love the guy, you know what I mean? And and

24:07 Speaker 2: and and then when you run into these people that

24:09 Speaker 2: you're like being a keyboard warrior with in real life

24:12 Speaker 2: and have a real conversation with them, you start to

24:15 Speaker 2: get to get somewhere right, you know. But as long

24:18 Speaker 2: as you're yelling at each other on your phone. Yeah,

24:22 Speaker 2: and and this media driven division, which I can't get

24:25 Speaker 2: into without sharing my political views, which I don't want

24:27 Speaker 2: to do. But as long as we're going back and

24:31 Speaker 2: forth with each other and you're stupid, no, you're stupid,

24:34 Speaker 2: then we're gonna get nowhere. And that's what the song's about, because,

24:37 Speaker 2: like my my biggest issue with the political climate right

24:40 Speaker 2: now is that people are divided for no reason. We're

24:46 Speaker 2: divided based on on Facebook memes and half the people

24:50 Speaker 2: that are talking about these things don't even really look

24:53 Speaker 2: into the issue. They just get their news from from memes.

24:57 Speaker 2: And and I'm not trying to insult anybody. It it's

25:00 Speaker 2: more along the lines of if we keep arguing amongst

25:04 Speaker 2: ourselves about nothing, we're going to get nowhere. Yeah, that's

25:06 Speaker 2: what the song's about. And it's very gritty, it's not polished,

25:11 Speaker 2: which drove him nuts nuts. It didn't drive me nuts.

25:15 Speaker 6: Well, I under I understand that, you know, there are

25:19 Speaker 6: different production styles, but it was it was at times

25:23 Speaker 6: I was listening to it and I'm thinking, like, I

25:26 Speaker 6: understand the intent of this song is to get a

25:29 Speaker 6: really punk vibe, But there were there were some things

25:32 Speaker 6: like balancing right wise, the essentially the there were certain

25:38 Speaker 6: frequencies in the mid range where it's like conflictory right,

25:42 Speaker 6: It's like really really saturated and that is part of

25:46 Speaker 6: the vibe, but also trying to get the separation of

25:49 Speaker 6: the instruments so you hear everything, but you know, also

25:53 Speaker 6: still have the vibe of everything being kind of like

25:55 Speaker 6: really loud and in the face.

25:57 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's hard to pull off. I think we I

25:59 Speaker 2: think we did all right. You know, I think I

26:03 Speaker 2: think we did all right.

26:04 Speaker 6: You know you of course we'll hear it in a

26:06 Speaker 6: couple of minutes, but you know, it is really loud

26:09 Speaker 6: and it is really in your face.

26:11 Speaker 2: The idea that I was trying to get at with

26:14 Speaker 2: the whole vibe of because the music needs to go

26:18 Speaker 2: along with the lyrics. It's not just it's not just

26:20 Speaker 2: the background so I can get my message out. I

26:24 Speaker 2: wanted it to sound garage band ish. I wanted it

26:28 Speaker 2: to sound like you're going to the bar and seeing

26:32 Speaker 2: the band and the drums aren't miked so that the

26:35 Speaker 2: symbols are just like cutting through the whole mix, and

26:38 Speaker 2: it's like, you know, like when when your buddy who's

26:40 Speaker 2: in a band, it takes a video and says, hey,

26:43 Speaker 2: look at my band, how do we sound? And you're

26:45 Speaker 2: all you hear is right.

26:47 Speaker 6: It's as close to that as we could get while

26:49 Speaker 6: still being a professional release audio.

26:53 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah that makes sense, you know, yeah, yeah,

26:57 Speaker 3: I I I kind of took what what you were saying.

26:59 Speaker 3: That's what I from the lyrics when I listened to it.

27:01 Speaker 3: You know, so I I understood and I and I

27:04 Speaker 3: understand too about you know, like uh, like I have

27:07 Speaker 3: a family member who sends me a lot of angry

27:08 Speaker 3: text messages.

27:09 Speaker 2: And yeah, you know, it's so it's silly, it's so silly.

27:14 Speaker 1: I've never seen it like this. Yeah, I don't even

27:17 Speaker 1: argue with about politics on social media.

27:19 Speaker 2: I post in ghost Oh I did, I know you do,

27:21 Speaker 2: and I appreciate that you this this there's a couple

27:23 Speaker 2: of people that are always commenting and always disagreeing. But

27:27 Speaker 2: so so a full disclosure. I was that guy. I was.

27:31 Speaker 2: I was like really upset during COVID. Uh not like

27:35 Speaker 2: the first year we did we had to do to

27:36 Speaker 2: be safe, but then you know, we I was. I

27:39 Speaker 2: was working in a bar and all the adults would

27:42 Speaker 2: be out, huge crowds of people, no masks, but they

27:44 Speaker 2: made my kids still wear a masks mask for a year.

27:47 Speaker 2: So I was. I wrote a mask, mask, mask, and

27:50 Speaker 2: and I realized what an idiot I looked like. I

27:52 Speaker 2: look like an idiot arguing with somebody about something that

27:56 Speaker 2: that really didn't matter. And and I, you know, I

27:59 Speaker 2: I hope I didn't lose any friends, but there you know,

28:01 Speaker 2: there are people.

28:02 Speaker 1: That you probably did though. I mean that's the thing

28:04 Speaker 1: that sucks.

28:04 Speaker 2: Well, and they weren't a friend to begin with. But

28:07 Speaker 2: but you know what that if if I lost, I'm

28:09 Speaker 2: losing people and we're getting nowhere, you know. So that's

28:12 Speaker 2: what the songs about.

28:13 Speaker 1: You know, well, I think we should give this a spend.

28:15 Speaker 2: I like it a lot awesome.

28:17 Speaker 1: Now this is which one of one of the songs

28:19 Speaker 1: we're playing today has been played on uh in Nashua.

28:21 Speaker 1: Is that this one?

28:22 Speaker 2: No that's lost in it All?

28:23 Speaker 1: Lost it All? Well, okay, so this one's another World

28:27 Speaker 1: radio premiere.

28:28 Speaker 2: Is what you're saying, Yes, sir, oh, well you know

28:29 Speaker 2: what that means. I know what that means.

28:31 Speaker 4: We're listening to WUM and H.

28:35 Speaker 2: World Premiere.

29:07 Speaker 4: Coming like being. If you don't you got caught like

29:10 Speaker 4: mental resms, you sleep.

29:13 Speaker 2: See you know we got to me.

29:17 Speaker 4: And I'm just another classes clown. Now then on me

29:22 Speaker 4: the Wizard. It's no surprising, I'm classics.

29:25 Speaker 2: Land on it.

29:28 Speaker 8: It's no podcast.

29:30 Speaker 4: Walk can't we Cad and the were playing the Las

29:35 Speaker 4: Virtues in Blackless City.

29:39 Speaker 10: He said, not walk, so we're agad and no, well

29:46 Speaker 10: know we got for human decent city.

30:02 Speaker 13: Got to talk to me about my concerned for Russ

30:06 Speaker 13: of the Bible and the climate is.

30:09 Speaker 4: For the just the city. Elizabeth waited to.

30:15 Speaker 5: This side of the sling, I'm all rival thinks I'm unstressing,

30:20 Speaker 5: not of my suffer.

30:24 Speaker 4: Your campan so my campaign games you mind find out

30:31 Speaker 4: the calf came. Are we going and camp back to slave?

30:41 Speaker 4: Can we up there? Back? Can you? Can? You believed

30:46 Speaker 4: over there? Want? Thank you?

30:54 Speaker 5: Up? And wall can't?

30:57 Speaker 2: We can nowhere.

31:00 Speaker 10: Lando lasbas is in rock the Sea, not wal so

31:08 Speaker 10: we can in awe?

31:11 Speaker 4: No, we got for human decency? Can nowhere? Can now

31:32 Speaker 4: can now nowhere?

31:50 Speaker 2: Oh? Whoops?

31:51 Speaker 3: There we go, all right getting nowhere. Caleb died, I

31:55 Speaker 3: mean not dire Jesse Rudsteen. But Caleb was talking a

31:58 Speaker 3: lot about the songs Wallow.

32:00 Speaker 6: I mean he played he played guitar, played some guitar

32:03 Speaker 6: on it, yeah, which is unusual. I'm not really a

32:05 Speaker 6: guitar player.

32:06 Speaker 2: Very much.

32:07 Speaker 6: But really, yeah, I mean, you know, it's interesting on

32:09 Speaker 6: a couple of these tunes on and even though the

32:11 Speaker 6: one that was played before getting nowhere on your toes.

32:16 Speaker 6: So the main guitar lick that's in that was actually

32:20 Speaker 6: was a creation of mine, right, Oh.

32:22 Speaker 2: Okay, Yeah, Caleb brought the lick for the tune on

32:25 Speaker 2: the versus and I not not nixt part like we

32:29 Speaker 2: that we had Nick play that that part obviously with

32:32 Speaker 2: with my track, but yeah, a lot of the collaboration

32:35 Speaker 2: and production, like I couldn't have done it without Caleb Dyer,

32:39 Speaker 2: Like I just I couldn't have done it without him,

32:43 Speaker 2: like like even talking about opening up the space and

32:46 Speaker 2: the actual mixing. Because people hear a song and they're like, wow,

32:50 Speaker 2: you play guitar. That's cool. They don't realize I did

32:52 Speaker 2: that guitar track twenty seven times, and they don't realize

32:56 Speaker 2: that I spent hours just listening to one snow a

33:00 Speaker 2: bit of vocal to just get the level right. And

33:03 Speaker 2: I don't want them to care about that. I just

33:05 Speaker 2: want them to hear the song. I talked to somebody

33:07 Speaker 2: yesterday who was like, hey, I listen to your stuff.

33:09 Speaker 2: I didn't really like sit down though, so I'm sorry.

33:12 Speaker 2: She's like it was just on in the background, and

33:14 Speaker 2: I was like, no, that's great, that's great. That's what

33:16 Speaker 2: music is it. It can be super important to somebody

33:21 Speaker 2: like me, but it could just add a little joy

33:23 Speaker 2: to somebody's life that doesn't play you know what I mean, Like,

33:26 Speaker 2: like it's it's the universal language.

33:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely, No, that's great, that's great. In a

33:32 Speaker 3: couple of minutes, we'll also play out Lost in It All,

33:34 Speaker 3: the track that you did with Faith and and that's

33:36 Speaker 3: such a great song too. I'm curious what what's the

33:40 Speaker 3: live situation like for you these days? Are you playing

33:42 Speaker 3: a lot of shows or have you been so more

33:44 Speaker 3: on the EP or I am.

33:45 Speaker 2: I've been the laser focused on the studio work. It's

33:49 Speaker 2: kind of funny we were joking around because I'm not

33:52 Speaker 2: playing live. I am playing tomorrow at Terminus in the

33:55 Speaker 2: pop up event. Hopefully the weather holds up so we

33:58 Speaker 2: can actually be out outside the way it was planned,

34:02 Speaker 2: but if not, we're going to be playing indoors. A

34:05 Speaker 2: lot of great artists, a lot of great musicians, you know,

34:08 Speaker 2: just Terminus doing what Terminus does, you know, I'll plug

34:11 Speaker 2: them I'll talk about them as much as I'm talking

34:14 Speaker 2: about Nick Burns.

34:16 Speaker 3: But that's where Jenny and I met you, by the way, Yes, yes,

34:20 Speaker 3: the earlier this year at the open house.

34:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was with Quincy. Yes, yeah, Quincy.

34:27 Speaker 1: Raymond or quin Lord.

34:28 Speaker 2: Yeah.

34:28 Speaker 1: I never know which to call him.

34:31 Speaker 2: But so as far as the live situation, I am

34:36 Speaker 2: booking for twenty twenty six. The full length is coming

34:40 Speaker 2: out on December seventeenth. It's a song called Superhero Toys.

34:44 Speaker 2: All of the dates that I released stuff are strategically placed.

34:48 Speaker 2: The song Superhero Toys is an ode to my son

34:52 Speaker 2: and being the dad of a boy, which is, you know,

34:56 Speaker 2: very tough at times, like like, am I doing the

34:58 Speaker 2: right thing? Am I pointing him in the right Am

35:01 Speaker 2: I giving him what he needs on my end to

35:04 Speaker 2: be able to make his own decisions?

35:06 Speaker 1: And you know that's a great song too. You play that? Yeah,

35:09 Speaker 1: course last time.

35:10 Speaker 2: He did just yes, yeah he did just you know,

35:13 Speaker 2: he's in his first year of being a United States marine. Wow.

35:18 Speaker 2: So my contribution, I feel like I did all right,

35:22 Speaker 2: you know, but but it's very scary.

35:24 Speaker 5: Yeah.

35:25 Speaker 2: So December seventeenth is the release, and that is the

35:27 Speaker 2: title track of the release, and it also happens to

35:30 Speaker 2: be his birthday. Oh nice, So that's why it's And

35:33 Speaker 2: then in twenty twenty six is after I have the

35:35 Speaker 2: full length release, after I've been on the radio, I'm

35:39 Speaker 2: in people's ears. I got the social media going, there's

35:41 Speaker 2: going to be plenty of merchandise. That's when I'm gonna

35:44 Speaker 2: get out and start gigging. So it's it's it's all

35:47 Speaker 2: a plan. And uh, the the EP's been out for

35:51 Speaker 2: a week and so far I'm gaining some serious momentum.

35:55 Speaker 2: So I am beyond pumped. I'm beyond thanks full to

36:00 Speaker 2: everybody who's taken the time to listen, everybody who's taken

36:03 Speaker 2: the time to be involved. Yeah, including yourself, you know,

36:06 Speaker 2: like like hitting me up. And so yeah, that's that's

36:10 Speaker 2: that's the plan for the live stuff. Okay, okay, cool, cool,

36:13 Speaker 2: So twenty twenty six, watch out. You want to be

36:15 Speaker 2: seeing my face.

36:16 Speaker 6: It helps me out a lot too, because my twenty

36:18 Speaker 6: twenty five is kind of these books solid and he's

36:21 Speaker 6: in my bad I'll not solidly hooked, but I do

36:23 Speaker 6: have a lot going on.

36:24 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt.

36:25 Speaker 3: And you've got the we should we talked about it

36:27 Speaker 3: a little bit, but we should circle back to it

36:28 Speaker 3: the label because you know, and a lot of people,

36:32 Speaker 3: you know, a lot of people in the scene listen

36:33 Speaker 3: to the show too, So we want to make sure

36:34 Speaker 3: everybody knows, you know, if people want to get involved,

36:36 Speaker 3: if they want to sell your music, if they want to.

36:38 Speaker 2: We don't have the only thing that I'm worried about

36:41 Speaker 2: right now talk because I want to talk about it.

36:42 Speaker 2: I want to get in people's ear. But we don't

36:44 Speaker 2: have a website or any social media going right now.

36:47 Speaker 6: Yeah, and that's kind of that's almost deliberate in a way.

36:50 Speaker 6: Well one Facebook kind of put me in nazi Nazi

36:53 Speaker 6: mode for some time, so I can't can't create a

36:56 Speaker 6: new page. But but setting that aside, it's kind of

37:00 Speaker 6: strategic because we kind of don't have the ability. It's

37:03 Speaker 6: a partnership, so it's just Jesse and I. We don't

37:06 Speaker 6: really have the ability to be taking on a lot

37:09 Speaker 6: of people, and we know that there's demand because of

37:11 Speaker 6: course all of our friends are like, you know, like

37:14 Speaker 6: when when can we when can we do this?

37:17 Speaker 2: When done?

37:19 Speaker 6: Because you know, there are a number of people who

37:20 Speaker 6: have heard the Jesse releases and you know, they're they're

37:24 Speaker 6: they're very, very eager, you know, so we we kind

37:28 Speaker 6: of want to be selective. We've got one young, lovely lady,

37:32 Speaker 6: Sarah Bird, who's in the band Doggate Dog. Really she

37:37 Speaker 6: hasn't yeah exactly, and she's an excellent musician. And I

37:42 Speaker 6: saw her yesterday and she was rocking out with the

37:44 Speaker 6: Dogs out in Greenfield. I wish, I wish, yeah, I know,

37:48 Speaker 6: it would have been great to have you out there.

37:49 Speaker 6: But but anyhow, we want to get Sarah Bird. And

37:52 Speaker 6: she's got some excellent originals of hers that are kind

37:55 Speaker 6: of more on the light side. They're not so heavy

37:58 Speaker 6: rock and roll like Doggate Dog as a band is,

38:01 Speaker 6: and you know, we would love to get her in

38:04 Speaker 6: and get those tunes recorded, you know, in a format

38:08 Speaker 6: that is more true to who Sarah is as a

38:11 Speaker 6: kind of solo artist in her own right. And you know,

38:14 Speaker 6: we've we've spoken with her about that and and hopefully

38:17 Speaker 6: we can get her in as one of the first

38:18 Speaker 6: few test cases. Of course, I'd like to get my

38:21 Speaker 6: own band, Crank and Wagon, which is kind of not

38:23 Speaker 6: my band. I kind of just am the organist for

38:26 Speaker 6: the bands. Yes, correct, Paul Fry is the true true

38:31 Speaker 6: leader and mastermind of that band. Indeed, Paul Fry very

38:34 Speaker 6: very astute guitar player and and good good friend of mine.

38:39 Speaker 6: But so you know, we we have a bunch of

38:42 Speaker 6: these test cases that we'd like to kind of try

38:43 Speaker 6: out because we've done it with Jesse, We've proven the concept,

38:47 Speaker 6: and now we need to take this sell it hard,

38:51 Speaker 6: you know, through to the end of the year, through

38:52 Speaker 6: the album release, which is I guess technically the first

38:55 Speaker 6: official Hashtags and Saw release will be.

38:58 Speaker 2: That will be in the first Hatchet Acts and Saw release.

39:01 Speaker 6: Yes, that will be, yeah, the first official one. And

39:04 Speaker 6: in the meantime we'll have other things kind of cooking

39:07 Speaker 6: to be released in the next year.

39:08 Speaker 1: So excellent. Oh did we talk about where that? I

39:11 Speaker 1: know we talked about it off air before the show.

39:12 Speaker 1: Did we talk on air about where the name comes from?

39:14 Speaker 2: Oh? Oh yes we did. So this is a cool story.

39:18 Speaker 2: Yeah I'm a musician. No, no, really, So I love Rush.

39:25 Speaker 2: I love Rush if how could you not love Rush?

39:29 Speaker 7: Is?

39:30 Speaker 2: Is is the thought that I hear when people say,

39:32 Speaker 2: but but I do have a unique voice, and I

39:35 Speaker 2: do enjoy groups like the Dave Matthews Band, and and

39:38 Speaker 2: and so some people will say I don't like Rush

39:41 Speaker 2: because I can't stand his voice, and I'm like, how

39:43 Speaker 2: could you not stand his voice? He's perfect, you know.

39:46 Speaker 2: But so I love Rush and Caleb loves Rush, and

39:50 Speaker 2: coincidentally we didn't. So so the the one person we

39:54 Speaker 2: forgot I have well not forgot I haven't mentioned yet

39:57 Speaker 2: is Dave Patterson, our executive producer who runs Tree Streets, Inc.

40:01 Speaker 2: Which is where facility that's that's the studio. So we're

40:05 Speaker 2: on the Tree Streets recording and we just happened to

40:09 Speaker 2: be talking about the record label and Rush came up,

40:15 Speaker 2: and coincidentally, our favorite Rush song is Trees, both of us,

40:20 Speaker 2: so I'm like, and then we were talking about naming

40:22 Speaker 2: the record company, I'm like, Trees is really your favorite

40:25 Speaker 2: because it's just the most beautif like getting Nowhere. It's

40:28 Speaker 2: a very political song people about about fighting over something

40:35 Speaker 2: that you can't change, you know, and that's that's what

40:37 Speaker 2: the whole song is about. And the last lyrics of

40:40 Speaker 2: the tune are Hatchet Acts and saw and I'm like,

40:44 Speaker 2: how about we just call it Hatchet Acts and Sauce.

40:46 Speaker 6: Well, more importantly, the full lyric is the trees are

40:48 Speaker 6: all kept equal by hand Hatchet acts and Saw yeah,

40:52 Speaker 6: And and now, one thing about the music business which

40:55 Speaker 6: I don't think a lot of people understand, is that

40:57 Speaker 6: there are sort of some gatekeeping going on by by

41:01 Speaker 6: some some shall we say oaks, which are you know,

41:05 Speaker 6: very large multimedia conglomerates. Sure, they kind of don't let

41:08 Speaker 6: the Maples get sunlight. And whether or not it's by

41:13 Speaker 6: the design of the system or you know, no fault

41:16 Speaker 6: of their own, which I don't think it is in

41:18 Speaker 6: this particular case. I do think that they have deliberately

41:21 Speaker 6: lobbied and created this sort of system that protects themselves. Sure,

41:26 Speaker 6: but the local musicians are the Maples in that song,

41:29 Speaker 6: and they're not getting enough sunlight. And you know, Hatchet

41:33 Speaker 6: accent Saw maybe you know, we're not trying to make

41:36 Speaker 6: everyone equal, but at the very least we'd like to

41:39 Speaker 6: get the Maples some sunlight.

41:40 Speaker 2: We're trying to do the exact same thing that you

41:43 Speaker 2: guys do here. Yeah, and you know you put us on,

41:47 Speaker 2: you take the time and and and do your due

41:50 Speaker 2: diligence and put the show together. And it's a great show.

41:53 Speaker 2: Like I watch you almost every Saturday. Thank you. Yeah, Yeah,

41:57 Speaker 2: it's great. I I forget what's the guy's name, Eli

42:00 Speaker 2: something he was on a few weeks ago.

42:05 Speaker 3: It becomes such a blur he tour, He's a oh yeah,

42:08 Speaker 3: I'm sorry, Eli Love, Yeah, Eli Love.

42:11 Speaker 2: I was watching the show and I had never heard

42:14 Speaker 2: of this guy before, and I just watched him play

42:16 Speaker 2: this tune. And literally, I've working on this project. I

42:22 Speaker 2: haven't listened to anybody else but myself for like a year.

42:26 Speaker 2: I'm so sick of my voice that everybody's like, wow,

42:28 Speaker 2: I like your voice. I'm like, yeah, yeah, I'm me too,

42:31 Speaker 2: I guess. But I was watching your show and I

42:35 Speaker 2: saw I saw this wonderful, wonderful musician, and I went

42:39 Speaker 2: following him and he emailed me, you know, like after

42:43 Speaker 2: I started following him, you get the email, like because

42:45 Speaker 2: he's a pro, Like, I'm literally modeling some of the

42:48 Speaker 2: marketing stuff that I'm doing after what he does. Smart

42:52 Speaker 2: and uh, long story short, I saw new music because

42:56 Speaker 2: of you, you know, And that's what we want to

42:59 Speaker 2: bring to the area. We want to get people like

43:02 Speaker 2: like Sarah Bird, and we want to get the Cosmic Blossoms,

43:05 Speaker 2: the Dog eight Dogs. I'm talking to another really wonderful

43:09 Speaker 2: musician in the area's name is Justin Jordan, about getting

43:12 Speaker 2: him down in the studio, and we're just we're just

43:17 Speaker 2: that's what we're trying to push.

43:18 Speaker 6: Get get him down there, get him recorded, get him

43:20 Speaker 6: selling it, because if we can sell it, if we

43:23 Speaker 6: can prove commercial viability, then we can actually make Nashua

43:28 Speaker 6: and Manchester Southern New Hampshire. Like you know, my my

43:32 Speaker 6: tagline for the last couple of years is I want

43:34 Speaker 6: to turn Nashua into a mini Nashville.

43:37 Speaker 2: Yeah, I want we talk to anybody, anybody else in

43:41 Speaker 2: the country. They say where are you from, and you

43:43 Speaker 2: say Nashua, They're gonna be like Nashville. Yeah, I just

43:46 Speaker 2: say Boston now. And I mean for the music that I.

43:50 Speaker 6: Love, I play a lot of blues and rock and

43:53 Speaker 6: stuff like that. I'm actually a shameless self plug the

43:56 Speaker 6: Blues Fest on August second here in Manchester. I'll be

43:59 Speaker 6: playing there with the Craig Thomas band or that it's

44:02 Speaker 6: called Bluetopia, Craig Thomas and Bluetopia. But that's the music

44:06 Speaker 6: that I really love, the music that I kind of

44:08 Speaker 6: grow up, grew up listening to and and caring about,

44:11 Speaker 6: and you know, the the whole idea is at least

44:16 Speaker 6: with Hatchet Ax and Saw, is to you know, bring

44:20 Speaker 6: local musicians who are doing it, producing original music, you know,

44:25 Speaker 6: take that to the market, prove commercial viability, and and

44:29 Speaker 6: turn this you know, area into a music hub much

44:34 Speaker 6: much in the same way. And I think it's long

44:37 Speaker 6: overdue because Boston. Boston's had, you know, a very strong

44:41 Speaker 6: local music scene, but there's there's like, you know, maybe

44:44 Speaker 6: a couple a dozen recording studios, and there's even fewer

44:47 Speaker 6: actual labels that you can that you can publish through.

44:51 Speaker 6: And I mean, you know, we we have great, like again,

44:54 Speaker 6: great studios around and it's not like the facility that

44:57 Speaker 6: we're at as any better, any worse. But I think

45:00 Speaker 6: the product that we actually offer is going to be

45:03 Speaker 6: the promotion, the actual trying to get it out to market,

45:06 Speaker 6: cooperating with local you know, record distributors. There's this fellow

45:10 Speaker 6: Dan up in Laconia who owns a little record shop

45:14 Speaker 6: up there. I would love to plug the name of it.

45:16 Speaker 6: It's oh my lord, I'm so sorry Dan forgetting the

45:22 Speaker 6: name of your business.

45:22 Speaker 2: But it's a little little.

45:25 Speaker 6: Right exactly. But it's this little record shop right up

45:28 Speaker 6: in Laconia, right down the street from the theater there

45:30 Speaker 6: where they have a lot of live music acts, and

45:33 Speaker 6: I planned to partner with him get physical copies in

45:36 Speaker 6: stores around that, you know, like down and Lowell.

45:39 Speaker 2: There's there's a couple of little record shops as well.

45:41 Speaker 6: So getting the music out to the people selling it, yes,

45:45 Speaker 6: and and that that is the thing that a lot

45:47 Speaker 6: of local artists have the hardest time doing. They'll play

45:50 Speaker 6: gig after gig after gig, and they'll be grinding themselves

45:53 Speaker 6: into dust, but they don't have any sort of you know,

45:56 Speaker 6: means of passive income selling the music.

45:58 Speaker 2: Right. That's the reason why I'm not Now, that's the

46:00 Speaker 2: reason why I'm hanging tight on the live shows. Uh,

46:03 Speaker 2: getting the product, and then then you use the live

46:06 Speaker 2: shows and just a product. We're going to be pushing

46:08 Speaker 2: lost in it all until until the uh till the

46:12 Speaker 2: til the full length comes out. I mean, I'm gonna

46:14 Speaker 2: be sharing the other songs too, of course we're playing

46:16 Speaker 2: them today, but yeah, that is the single. And then

46:19 Speaker 2: but I'm well aware that I'm not going to look

46:22 Speaker 2: at Spotify and see myself blow up until i start

46:25 Speaker 2: playing live. But I'm going to be killing myself in

46:27 Speaker 2: the studio. If I'm trying to juggle playing live and

46:30 Speaker 2: get this all together.

46:31 Speaker 6: The right way creative balancing acts.

46:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, no, that makes sense. That makes a lot of sense.

46:36 Speaker 3: So in a moment, will yeah, We'll play lost in

46:39 Speaker 3: it All to close out the segment.

46:41 Speaker 2: Faith in We got to talk about faith featuring. Yeah.

46:46 Speaker 2: So this this tune, Yeah, this tune was how we

46:50 Speaker 2: started this. This started. We started recording this song four

46:54 Speaker 2: years ago. I was in a band with a wonderful

46:56 Speaker 2: local musician and sat sound therapist. Is that the right, Yeah?

47:03 Speaker 2: So her name is Jessica's Songbird of the I ka

47:06 Speaker 2: Jessica Olsen, and we were both members of the jess

47:10 Speaker 2: Olsen Band, and I did a lot of writing and

47:13 Speaker 2: I came up with this tune about how it all

47:18 Speaker 2: started with the group. I went out saw her playing

47:23 Speaker 2: with a guy named Seth who I had never met,

47:25 Speaker 2: but I knew. We played in a group called Project Mess,

47:29 Speaker 2: and that's where the lyric guy played Mess. So the

47:35 Speaker 2: whole song is me not even play that. It's not

47:38 Speaker 2: about me playing. It's about me going to a show,

47:41 Speaker 2: seeing this wonderful band led by a really great female

47:44 Speaker 2: artist and getting lost, getting lost in the moments, you know,

47:50 Speaker 2: And so we started a band. Things didn't work out.

47:54 Speaker 2: We didn't uh, we didn't necessarily see eye to eye

47:57 Speaker 2: in the direction of the music, which is one of

47:59 Speaker 2: the reasons that I'm a solo artist. It's I've come

48:03 Speaker 2: to terms with the fact that that if I want

48:05 Speaker 2: to do the stuff I want to do, I have

48:08 Speaker 2: to have creative control. And I'm not saying anything bad

48:11 Speaker 2: about about Jessica. She's a wonderful, wonderful human being. We

48:15 Speaker 2: just didn't She wanted to she wanted to go in

48:18 Speaker 2: one direction. I didn't want to go. So so I'm like,

48:21 Speaker 2: all right, you know. And and that he was the

48:22 Speaker 2: one who convinced me to do the solo thing. He's like,

48:25 Speaker 2: you should, we should do this, as you you know,

48:29 Speaker 2: and and and it obviously it takes a village. I

48:31 Speaker 2: keep plugging all these wonderful, amazing artists that are on

48:34 Speaker 2: the tracks, but I put them on the tracks, And

48:38 Speaker 2: and when they came in they were they looked at

48:40 Speaker 2: me and they're like, all right, what do you want

48:41 Speaker 2: me to do? With the exception of Nick Burns just

48:43 Speaker 2: coming in and killing it, they would look at me

48:46 Speaker 2: and be like, all right, what do you want me

48:47 Speaker 2: to do, and and then I wanted them to put

48:50 Speaker 2: their mark on it. So the original tune was recorded

48:52 Speaker 2: with the jess Olsen band. I wrote it for a

48:55 Speaker 2: female to sing and wonderful bass player. His tracks are

49:01 Speaker 2: still there, Alex Philip Brown and Seth Sears on drums obviously,

49:06 Speaker 2: Caleb on organ and piano. I think some guitar in

49:09 Speaker 2: there too, No, I redid all the guitar.

49:13 Speaker 6: Yes, yes, yeah, yes, yes, yes, there are some fun stuff.

49:16 Speaker 2: So I'm listening to the tune and I'm one day

49:20 Speaker 2: and it was not supposed to be on the EP

49:22 Speaker 2: at all. This song wasn't I did, but it's in

49:25 Speaker 2: the studio. It's like there's a list that drops down

49:27 Speaker 2: of songs. I'm like, I'm gonna listen to loss and

49:30 Speaker 2: listen to Just's voice instead of mine. And this was

49:33 Speaker 2: at like midnight. I had been working all night and

49:37 Speaker 2: I was like, wait a minute, this song's awesome. I'm

49:41 Speaker 2: gonna sing it yea. So needless to say, I was

49:44 Speaker 2: there until about four in the morning re recording lead

49:48 Speaker 2: vocals for this tune. And I finish it and I

49:51 Speaker 2: think it's great, and I said it to Caleb and

49:54 Speaker 2: He's like, no, no, no.

49:55 Speaker 6: I laughed at some things.

49:56 Speaker 2: I said a couple of lyrics because there is some comedy,

50:00 Speaker 2: like getting Nowhere. There is a little bit of comedy

50:02 Speaker 2: involved in what I do. I really love SNL and

50:07 Speaker 2: like Mad Magazine. My father my biggest musical inspiration was

50:10 Speaker 2: in a group called Gross National Productions back in the seventies,

50:13 Speaker 2: and they did comedy. Their lead singer ended up being

50:16 Speaker 2: a regular on Howard Stern back in the day, you know,

50:19 Speaker 2: just because all slapstick stuff. Yeah. So, but some of

50:24 Speaker 2: the lyrics, Caleb was like, no, no, You're going too

50:28 Speaker 2: far with this. So I'm listening to it and I'm like,

50:32 Speaker 2: how am I going to make this work? Because it

50:34 Speaker 2: still sounds like a song about a girl going out,

50:37 Speaker 2: you know, because it was originally written for Chess. And

50:40 Speaker 2: I did a show at I did a show on

50:44 Speaker 2: June twenty second, opening up for the Faith and Band,

50:47 Speaker 2: and I knew of Faith. Everybody knows Faith, but I didn't,

50:52 Speaker 2: you know, we'd never really like met in person. So

50:55 Speaker 2: and I was really nervous because I had an issue.

50:57 Speaker 2: Caleb couldn't make it. We had a bass player issue,

50:59 Speaker 2: and so I'm like, I'm gonna be so unprofessional and

51:02 Speaker 2: I'm gona show up without my bass player. And then

51:04 Speaker 2: I introduced myself to Faith and she looks at me.

51:06 Speaker 2: She goes, I'm sorry, I can't find my drummer anywhere.

51:10 Speaker 2: And I'm like, oh sweet, I'm not the only one,

51:15 Speaker 2: like awesome, I don't have my bass player. That's cool.

51:19 Speaker 2: But yeah, So we ended up just setting up together

51:22 Speaker 2: because I was the opener and and we hit it off,

51:24 Speaker 2: like like she is just so cool, like like just

51:27 Speaker 2: down to earth, chill person, like like just one of

51:31 Speaker 2: those people that you like to be around and as

51:36 Speaker 2: and then I was working on Lost and it just clicked.

51:38 Speaker 2: I'm like shot in the dark. I got her, I

51:41 Speaker 2: got her number. I'm gonna text her and see how

51:43 Speaker 2: she wants to come down. And she said she'd love

51:45 Speaker 2: to do it, and so she came down. She came

51:48 Speaker 2: down and we did two sessions. The first session, I

51:51 Speaker 2: was just basically replacing Jess's backup vocals because I wanted

51:56 Speaker 2: there to be a female presence in this song. There

51:58 Speaker 2: had to be, and it's theme through a lot of

52:00 Speaker 2: my songs. There's a lot of there's a lot of

52:03 Speaker 2: vocal tracks on this Jade Bailey also released a single yesterday.

52:07 Speaker 2: Check out Jade Bailey Everybody. She's actually on the chorus

52:10 Speaker 2: of this as well. Okay, so we have on this course,

52:13 Speaker 2: we have faith, we have Jade, we have Caleb, myself

52:17 Speaker 2: and Alec the bass player to make it big. And

52:20 Speaker 2: I'm listening to it. I'm listening to it. You know,

52:24 Speaker 2: faith is faith is loving it, and everybody's loving it.

52:27 Speaker 2: And I'm like, it's just not right. This should be

52:29 Speaker 2: a duet because of because of what she did and

52:32 Speaker 2: how she put her mark on things and the or

52:35 Speaker 2: the way we organize the lyrics, and it already sounded

52:38 Speaker 2: like a duet. But so I'm like, if I just

52:40 Speaker 2: get her to sing two lines in the verse and

52:43 Speaker 2: have her take the lead on two of the lines,

52:46 Speaker 2: this is a duet and that's what's going to make

52:48 Speaker 2: this tune. So I text her back again. I'm like, hey,

52:51 Speaker 2: you know, I said, everything's so great, can you come

52:54 Speaker 2: back down? She's I'd love to, and and and she's

52:57 Speaker 2: a pro, like in in the in the studio, she

52:59 Speaker 2: just came down absolutely nailed the tracks and like sometimes

53:03 Speaker 2: you're working with singers and uh, you know, because we

53:05 Speaker 2: miss notes and we have to retake with her. It

53:08 Speaker 2: was just like we both knew when she missed something,

53:11 Speaker 2: stop rewind go. Like there was no like, oh I

53:14 Speaker 2: thought that was good, or let's talk about it, let's

53:17 Speaker 2: worry about feelings. It was just like, all right, let's

53:20 Speaker 2: hit it. And so she did. She came down, She's

53:24 Speaker 2: saying the other two lines, and.

53:26 Speaker 6: I love singers that can admit when they're wrong.

53:29 Speaker 7: I have to.

53:32 Speaker 2: Dude, yeah, which is you know, it is what it is.

53:36 Speaker 2: But so then we're digging in and I'm like, just

53:39 Speaker 2: like on your toes. I'm like, all right, finally the

53:41 Speaker 2: song's done. Like I can get Kaled down here to

53:43 Speaker 2: mix it. Caleb's like, let's go. Because we recorded these

53:48 Speaker 2: tracks for the guitars years ago. He's like, what guitars

53:51 Speaker 2: are you using? And I'm like, I don't know. And

53:55 Speaker 2: they started digging into the guitar tracks and the plugins

53:58 Speaker 2: that I used. It was just awful. And so I'm

54:01 Speaker 2: like it was another situation where it was like midnight

54:04 Speaker 2: and Caleb's like, I'm going home. You figure it out.

54:07 Speaker 2: And again I was there till four in the morning,

54:10 Speaker 2: re recording every guitar track on it, including the solo,

54:14 Speaker 2: and then the song was done, and when I wrapped

54:18 Speaker 2: on that, it was three days before the release. I

54:23 Speaker 2: had to re send it over to my mastering engineer,

54:25 Speaker 2: Chris Cormier, who is absolutely wonderful, and I keep seeing

54:30 Speaker 2: when I talk to him, like you're gonna hate me, dude,

54:32 Speaker 2: but I need another one. Yeah. I even had to

54:33 Speaker 2: do it to him the other day. I need some masters.

54:35 Speaker 2: I forgot to do the radio edits, and Matt texted

54:38 Speaker 2: me and yeah, So finally it's done. The day before

54:44 Speaker 2: it goes. The day before I post everything and everybody

54:48 Speaker 2: that's been involved in this song, from from Faith to

54:51 Speaker 2: Nick Jay, I'm not I don't have to mention everybody.

54:53 Speaker 2: Just rewatch the interview.

54:54 Speaker 8: Guys.

54:54 Speaker 2: I'm gonna keep posting it. I just am so so

54:59 Speaker 2: blessed that that when I was having a horrible twenty

55:03 Speaker 2: twenty four, all these people came out of the woodwork,

55:05 Speaker 2: and I have such a great support system.

55:08 Speaker 3: Awesome, awesome. Well we're gonna play this. We're gonna play

55:11 Speaker 3: this to wrap up the segment. But guys, I want

55:13 Speaker 3: to thank you both so much.

55:14 Speaker 6: Jess, thank you, thank you.

55:15 Speaker 3: Jesse Rutstein, Caleb Dyer, thank you both for coming in.

55:18 Speaker 3: Congratulations on the EP. It is amazing. Thank you and

55:22 Speaker 3: absolutely and if you are listening live on Saturday, we

55:24 Speaker 3: have Lyle Hutchins who's going to be joining us via

55:26 Speaker 3: Microsoft Teams at the top of the hour.

55:29 Speaker 1: Looking forward to that. But again, check this out. This

55:32 Speaker 1: is so good.

55:33 Speaker 3: This is Lost in it All featuring Faith and from

55:36 Speaker 3: the new Jesse Rutstein EP and the it's just called

55:39 Speaker 3: Jesse Rutstein.

55:40 Speaker 1: Right, it's completely self.

55:41 Speaker 2: Leading up to Superhero Toys that the whole length.

55:44 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, looking forward to that. Very cool. All right

55:46 Speaker 1: here it is this is Lost in it All.

56:05 Speaker 12: We made plans to see the bad because my friends

56:10 Speaker 12: lass run.

56:13 Speaker 4: It's been a long week, can I can? I can't

56:17 Speaker 4: wait to get it all jump?

56:20 Speaker 5: So something gotta let do, sort of Uncle Greg loose

56:24 Speaker 5: mysel to city or.

56:26 Speaker 4: Good to me having little fun baby gets u.

56:34 Speaker 5: It's just something about Mesa, the way that you love.

56:43 Speaker 4: No thing please makes.

56:45 Speaker 8: Me again up bout my team having lost in it all.

56:52 Speaker 4: Because we've all world.

56:55 Speaker 12: God were getting lost in it all about then bid

57:01 Speaker 12: then we're gonna.

57:02 Speaker 1: Sit ride in and getting lost in it all.

57:08 Speaker 8: They fan out in a long time.

57:12 Speaker 13: Then I just lie in joy in my no, I

57:37 Speaker 13: ain't seen this curling a lot time and now singing.

57:42 Speaker 4: On stitis well because they messed down. Then alout the dressing.

57:47 Speaker 8: The man is riding away, then.

57:51 Speaker 5: Begin a nonsen something won't dim my ULTI five antitude.

57:57 Speaker 5: Then he now even and chine in the bosh in

58:03 Speaker 5: nine spence Benny. This is something about.

58:09 Speaker 13: The music, Glen song, raise the cheese mal Maskamon.

58:18 Speaker 4: I needed the dos a dog.

58:24 Speaker 12: Because they had all work looking Bostar to die. Somebody

58:31 Speaker 12: got me then said riding lever care.

58:35 Speaker 4: Loosty the dog HA been nine a long time, and

58:43 Speaker 4: I just my.

58:47 Speaker 8: Oh, I just my charge by n.

59:05 Speaker 2: To Bosting.

59:09 Speaker 4: Because we did all we can lost lost.

59:17 Speaker 12: Just got a gat Thingsdayvalda can bos.

59:24 Speaker 4: I want to say this can long shot and now

59:30 Speaker 4: one joy that scared