Matt Connarton Unleashed 7-5-25 hour 3

0:00 Speaker 1: Wmnh rip thes.

0:07 Speaker 2: Was it easy being greedy? Did it ever cross your

0:11 Speaker 2: mind to think I want? Might be pacing, waiting on

0:17 Speaker 2: the phone, the ring and you kiss me so you

0:20 Speaker 2: miss me? But I can tell that something has changed.

0:24 Speaker 2: There's a sadness, calous pain that's driving you away.

0:30 Speaker 1: You breathing now you're leaving.

0:32 Speaker 3: It's the last time you walked down my door, and

0:35 Speaker 3: now I'm crying in my bedroom? Was it I just

0:39 Speaker 3: something I fell for?

0:41 Speaker 1: Afraid that awake up?

0:44 Speaker 3: And just like that, it's all the memory breathing.

0:49 Speaker 1: Fol used to be this.

0:52 Speaker 4: We're over enclosure, But I still hope you think about

0:58 Speaker 4: all the good times, the late nights walking through that

1:03 Speaker 4: old beach town gottapunder. If your murther ever asks about

1:08 Speaker 4: how I'm doing now?

1:09 Speaker 1: Is she happy? Are you happy?

1:12 Speaker 3: You're feeling like the big man now?

1:15 Speaker 1: Pleading my feelings because.

1:18 Speaker 3: The last time you walked on.

1:20 Speaker 1: My norse was crying in my bedroom? Ho it U

1:25 Speaker 1: just something of a bar braying shame in just like that?

1:34 Speaker 1: I never be what didy very great.

1:53 Speaker 5: Across your heart and thy easy, very greed?

2:47 Speaker 2: Was it easy to love me? Was it easy to

2:51 Speaker 2: touch me? Was it easy to leave.

2:57 Speaker 1: Me.

3:00 Speaker 6: That is catchy as hell. That is Greedy. That's the

3:02 Speaker 6: name of the track. That is Cammy next, and we're

3:05 Speaker 6: going to talk with Cammy in just a moment. Welcome everybody.

3:08 Speaker 6: This is Matt Connorton Unleashed. We have entered our number

3:10 Speaker 6: three New Marrow Trace on this Saturday, July five, twenty

3:15 Speaker 6: twenty five. Thank you all for joining us. And Jenny

3:18 Speaker 6: is here, of course, is at the news table, presented

3:20 Speaker 6: accounted for. I think I almost at news Desko seeing

3:23 Speaker 6: old school. It's a table and uh let's see Campy here.

3:27 Speaker 6: Bring Cammy on here, Cammy are you there?

3:31 Speaker 3: Hi? Yes, I'm here.

3:32 Speaker 6: Welcome to the program. We just started using Google Teams recently,

3:36 Speaker 6: so it's still a little bit of an adventure.

3:39 Speaker 3: So okay, cool.

3:40 Speaker 6: So I'm always relieved when the guest is connected and

3:42 Speaker 6: everything's good. Welcome to the show. I love that song Greedy.

3:45 Speaker 6: It's very very catchy.

3:47 Speaker 3: Thank you so much, and thank you for having me.

3:50 Speaker 6: Absolutely absolutely. Uh So, where are you from?

3:54 Speaker 3: Originally Columbus, Ohio, but I live in Nashville.

3:57 Speaker 6: Now, okay, okay, what's it like living in Nashville? Because

4:01 Speaker 6: you know, we've had we've had a lot of guests

4:03 Speaker 6: on the show who have traveled there, but you know,

4:07 Speaker 6: maybe to spend a weekend or a week there. But

4:09 Speaker 6: I don't think we've had anybody on the show who

4:12 Speaker 6: lives there currently. And obviously Nashville known for being for music.

4:16 Speaker 6: I mean, is is it a lot of pressure there

4:18 Speaker 6: living there and being a part of the scene there

4:21 Speaker 6: or what's that like?

4:22 Speaker 3: It is definitely interesting, there's a lot of pressure, but

4:27 Speaker 3: more so I just say it's very saturated, so it's

4:31 Speaker 3: really really difficult to get your foot in the door.

4:34 Speaker 3: But at the same time, because it's so saturated, there's

4:36 Speaker 3: so many people to work with and so many people

4:39 Speaker 3: to network with. Yeah, and it's such a good community

4:42 Speaker 3: of people, but it is very tricky to kind of

4:47 Speaker 3: get going and get a name for yourself.

4:49 Speaker 6: Yeah, I would imagine. I would imagine it is. But

4:52 Speaker 6: that's that's a great place to be for what you're doing,

4:55 Speaker 6: and it's it might cut against some of the ideas,

4:58 Speaker 6: some of the preconceptions too that people have Nashville, because

5:01 Speaker 6: you know, a lot of people when they hear Nashville,

5:03 Speaker 6: especially people not in the industry, they think of country music.

5:06 Speaker 6: But it's more than just country music, And obviously you

5:08 Speaker 6: know what you're doing is in country. I don't know

5:10 Speaker 6: if you have any country songs, but but really, I

5:14 Speaker 6: mean there's all kinds of music happening there, and there's

5:15 Speaker 6: all kinds of connections you can make and people to

5:17 Speaker 6: work with.

5:18 Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, definitely. I think it has the stigma that

5:21 Speaker 3: it's country music because that's what it started as. But

5:25 Speaker 3: it's really any in every genre. And it is more

5:27 Speaker 3: so just the music city, as people call it, and

5:32 Speaker 3: this is where everyone comes to record, even non country people.

5:36 Speaker 3: They all record in the studios here or work with

5:38 Speaker 3: people here, or have session players from Nashville. Because these

5:43 Speaker 3: people are very talented and they can play any genre.

5:46 Speaker 3: They can do anything. So yeah, it's it's any genre really.

5:50 Speaker 6: Absolutely. How long have you lived there?

5:52 Speaker 3: This is my sixth year living here.

5:55 Speaker 6: Oh believe, Oh you've been there a long time? Okay, great? Great?

5:59 Speaker 3: Ye I went to college here, So I moved when

6:02 Speaker 3: I was seventeen.

6:03 Speaker 6: Oh outstanding? Okay? Was greedy? Was that recorded there? See?

6:08 Speaker 6: It was?

6:09 Speaker 3: Yeah?

6:09 Speaker 6: Okay, okay, very cool. Now what about so you started

6:14 Speaker 6: pretty young? I would imagine you're from Ohio. Originally you said, right, yes,

6:18 Speaker 6: were you involved in music before moving to Nashville. I assume.

6:22 Speaker 6: I mean, I know you moved there for school, but

6:24 Speaker 6: growing up you said, was a Columbus, Ohio.

6:27 Speaker 3: You said, yeah, Columbus, Ohio. I grew up there and

6:32 Speaker 3: was definitely involved in music, and specifically musical theater. I

6:36 Speaker 3: did a lot of that as a kid in like

6:37 Speaker 3: growing up and in all throughout my life in high

6:41 Speaker 3: school everything I was known as like the musical kid

6:44 Speaker 3: in my town. And I ran all the music programs.

6:47 Speaker 3: I was the president of all these different choirs and

6:51 Speaker 3: small ensembles, and I did all the community theater shows

6:54 Speaker 3: and this, that and the other. So I was definitely

6:57 Speaker 3: musically inclined from a very young age and that just

7:01 Speaker 3: kind of became my thing. And I didn't really do sports.

7:05 Speaker 3: It was always just music. And so I made the

7:08 Speaker 3: decision to Originally I was going to go to college

7:10 Speaker 3: for musical theater because I thought that I liked that,

7:14 Speaker 3: but I then quickly realized I just liked the singing

7:17 Speaker 3: part of it. I didn't care about the acting or

7:20 Speaker 3: the dancing. I just wanted some like someplace to sing

7:22 Speaker 3: in front of people. Sure, So then I pivoted and

7:26 Speaker 3: moved to Nashville to do music.

7:28 Speaker 6: No, that makes sense, but yeah, I mean doing music

7:30 Speaker 6: that was clearly inevitable, you know, given you your background

7:34 Speaker 6: and everything that you did growing up. So so that's

7:37 Speaker 6: that's great. Now, how many? So you have several singles out?

7:41 Speaker 6: I know, have you have you recorded an album or

7:43 Speaker 6: an EP yet or is that on your radar?

7:47 Speaker 3: It's not currently on my radar. I have four singles

7:50 Speaker 3: out right now, and I'm kind of just riding the

7:54 Speaker 3: singles wave because I think as a smaller independent artist,

7:59 Speaker 3: it's pretty difficult to put out an EP or an

8:02 Speaker 3: album and expect people to listen to the whole thing. Yeah,

8:07 Speaker 3: because that's a lot easier when you have a big

8:09 Speaker 3: following and people want to sit down and listen to it.

8:12 Speaker 3: But I would rather create singles and put them out

8:15 Speaker 3: one at a time and give them a bunch of

8:17 Speaker 3: attention or as much as I can, and that way

8:20 Speaker 3: they get kind of the spotlight for a second, rather

8:23 Speaker 3: than putting out like a forty five minute long album

8:26 Speaker 3: and hoping that people will listen to it.

8:29 Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that makes sense. It's a lot of

8:32 Speaker 6: artists it's very important to them to do to do albums,

8:35 Speaker 6: but there's I don't remember who it was we were

8:38 Speaker 6: talking to about this, but we had a guest on

8:39 Speaker 6: the show recently talking about how when you put out

8:43 Speaker 6: an album, it's like, you know, in terms of algorithms,

8:47 Speaker 6: like on Spotify, for example, you get that initial boost

8:50 Speaker 6: of okay, here's something new. You know, it might show

8:53 Speaker 6: up in your suggestions, here's something you might like, whether

8:55 Speaker 6: it be Spotify or even on YouTube or wherever. But yeah,

8:58 Speaker 6: but you get that big bump, that little not even

9:01 Speaker 6: a big bump, but you get that little extra push

9:03 Speaker 6: once with the album and then that's it. Whereas if

9:07 Speaker 6: you just release a series of singles. With every single,

9:10 Speaker 6: you get that little push algorithmically speaking, and so that

9:16 Speaker 6: ends up being a little bit of a more sustainable strategy.

9:21 Speaker 6: Although some of the guests too that we've had on

9:23 Speaker 6: the show recently, they've kind of inverted, you know, because

9:25 Speaker 6: the old approach, you know, sort of pre internet, was

9:28 Speaker 6: you release an album and then a series of singles

9:30 Speaker 6: to radio, and some artists now they release a series

9:33 Speaker 6: of singles that eventually coalesce into an album or any exactly. Yeah,

9:38 Speaker 6: but what.

9:38 Speaker 3: You're doing I think that's more than norm I think

9:41 Speaker 3: now as people putting out singles and then they release

9:44 Speaker 3: like an EP, but it's just all of the singles

9:46 Speaker 3: they've already put out.

9:47 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Now in terms of you, in terms

9:52 Speaker 6: of your songs, the songs that you've put out, are

9:54 Speaker 6: these all written by you or do you have I'm

9:57 Speaker 6: really curious about this, especially given where you are graphically,

10:00 Speaker 6: because you have so many you know, you're just surrounded

10:03 Speaker 6: by all kinds of talent. So I'm curious about your

10:06 Speaker 6: process and who you collaborate with or maybe you do

10:09 Speaker 6: it all your own. I don't know, but I'm really

10:11 Speaker 6: interested in that.

10:13 Speaker 7: Yeah.

10:14 Speaker 3: I write all of my own songs that are currently out.

10:18 Speaker 3: I've some of them have co writers on them, so

10:21 Speaker 3: people that I worked with, but a few of them

10:25 Speaker 3: were fully just written by me. Start to finish, and

10:29 Speaker 3: then I have a recording studio in town. There's two

10:33 Speaker 3: producers there that I work with, and I bring them

10:36 Speaker 3: my songs, play it for them and see what they think,

10:39 Speaker 3: and then they help me bring it to life and

10:41 Speaker 3: make it what it ends up being.

10:43 Speaker 8: And we do.

10:44 Speaker 3: Everything in house. It's all real instruments, like we play.

10:49 Speaker 3: It's the two guys and then myself I play a

10:51 Speaker 3: few instruments, and so we between the three of us

10:55 Speaker 3: can play every instrument that we need for the track.

10:57 Speaker 3: We record it live and have real instruments, real players, everything,

11:02 Speaker 3: and then they mix and master it for me. And

11:06 Speaker 3: that's kind of been our process for a while. However,

11:09 Speaker 3: I have a single coming out in August, and it's

11:13 Speaker 3: the first time I'm releasing a song that I had

11:16 Speaker 3: no part in writing. I took a cut from some

11:20 Speaker 3: friends that I have that are professional songwriters, and I

11:24 Speaker 3: kind of started to explore this idea of I don't

11:27 Speaker 3: have to do everything myself. I can just be the

11:31 Speaker 3: artist or just be the performer. And there are many

11:34 Speaker 3: talented songwriters here, obviously, and that's what people in the

11:38 Speaker 3: real industry do. These huge, famous people are not writing

11:43 Speaker 3: their songs themselves. They have ten fifteen people helping them

11:47 Speaker 3: write songs, or they don't even write them at all,

11:49 Speaker 3: and they get these cuts from very talented songwriters. So

11:54 Speaker 3: I tried that out and I really liked how the

11:56 Speaker 3: song turned out. So my next single is fully just

12:01 Speaker 3: written by other people.

12:02 Speaker 6: Okay, interesting, was it hard to take that step? I mean,

12:06 Speaker 6: was that something did you? Did you go into that

12:10 Speaker 6: saying no maybe I will try this and see what happens.

12:13 Speaker 6: Or was it more like, like, did you have to

12:15 Speaker 6: be kind of coaxed into it? Because that's got to

12:17 Speaker 6: be because that's a big shift, right because, like you said,

12:19 Speaker 6: you were used to doing everything yourself, which gives you

12:22 Speaker 6: a lot of autonomy and control over your material. And

12:25 Speaker 6: to take that step and do something that someone else wrote,

12:28 Speaker 6: was that difficult or did it? Did it come naturally

12:31 Speaker 6: or what was that? Like?

12:32 Speaker 3: I think it really came naturally. It was my idea.

12:35 Speaker 3: I kind of put feelers out and let people in

12:38 Speaker 3: the industry know, hey, I'm open to cuts. If you

12:41 Speaker 3: have songs that you aren't going to cut or you

12:44 Speaker 3: don't have anybody to cut them, send them not my way,

12:47 Speaker 3: and I'll listen to them and if they fit my vibe,

12:51 Speaker 3: my overall kind of genre that I'm building for myself.

12:56 Speaker 3: And I took them to my producers too, and we

12:59 Speaker 3: kind of listened to them together because they know my style,

13:02 Speaker 3: and we decided which ones fit me, which ones didn't

13:05 Speaker 3: fit me, and then narrowed it down to the song

13:08 Speaker 3: that's going to come out. And I honestly think it

13:12 Speaker 3: wasn't that difficult because I grew up my whole life,

13:14 Speaker 3: obviously doing theater, and I was in lots of cover

13:18 Speaker 3: bands and things like that, so I grew up singing

13:20 Speaker 3: other people's songs my whole life. It really wasn't that different.

13:25 Speaker 3: And if it's a good song at the end of

13:27 Speaker 3: the day, I think that's all that matters. And yeah,

13:31 Speaker 3: it wasn't. It really wasn't a hard process. It kind

13:35 Speaker 3: of made it more enjoyable because I wasn't scrutinizing it

13:38 Speaker 3: as much as if it were my own songwriting. I'm

13:41 Speaker 3: much more like, oh, does this sound stupid? I wrote this,

13:44 Speaker 3: These words are probably dumb. But since somebody else wrote

13:48 Speaker 3: it and I very much enjoyed their songwriting already, I

13:52 Speaker 3: just sang it and liked it from.

13:54 Speaker 6: The start, that makes sense. So it sounds like it

13:56 Speaker 6: was kind of liberating in a way. Yeah, that's very cool.

14:01 Speaker 6: You mentioned too, So I noticed you went out of

14:03 Speaker 6: your way to put extra emphasis on talking about how

14:06 Speaker 6: everything that you do it's played by real people, real musicians.

14:11 Speaker 6: And it makes me curious because one of the things

14:13 Speaker 6: that we talk about on the show a lot, because

14:16 Speaker 6: we have a lot of sort of industry centric, shall

14:18 Speaker 6: we say, conversations on the show is we talk a

14:22 Speaker 6: lot about AI, the use of AI and music and whatnot,

14:26 Speaker 6: and I'm curious. I suspect based on what you've said

14:30 Speaker 6: that this might be something that you're concerned about, So

14:34 Speaker 6: I'd like to get your thoughts on that, or maybe

14:37 Speaker 6: there's another dimension to it. But I'm really interested because,

14:39 Speaker 6: like I said, you went out of your way to

14:42 Speaker 6: tell us you know, this is all real, so obviously

14:45 Speaker 6: there's no none of these parts were created by AI

14:48 Speaker 6: and any of your songs. So I'm curious if you

14:50 Speaker 6: have if you have further thoughts on that that you

14:52 Speaker 6: like to share.

14:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting because my kind of stance on that

14:57 Speaker 3: started even before AI I kind of joined the picture.

15:02 Speaker 3: I was always looking for what my niche was in

15:07 Speaker 3: the industry, Like I think everybody has their thing that

15:10 Speaker 3: makes them unique and their genre or it's their sound

15:15 Speaker 3: or this, that and the other. And I realized that

15:18 Speaker 3: I think what makes me unique is that our music

15:21 Speaker 3: is very commercial, it's very commercially successful, but it's all real.

15:29 Speaker 3: And in today's day, most music is not real. It's

15:33 Speaker 3: all done digitally or it can be done digitally. And

15:38 Speaker 3: I went to college here and there were so many

15:41 Speaker 3: people at my school who made full songs in their

15:44 Speaker 3: dorm rooms on their laptop and you would never know

15:47 Speaker 3: that they did it by themselves at midnight, just on

15:51 Speaker 3: their computer. And I wanted something that made us stand out.

15:57 Speaker 3: And I realized, like, hey, we play all of this

16:00 Speaker 3: for real, and I don't think a lot of people

16:02 Speaker 3: do that, and I think that's something we should emphasize

16:05 Speaker 3: and tell people, is like this is real. Like this

16:08 Speaker 3: there's someone sitting there actually playing the drums. Every single

16:11 Speaker 3: beat that you hear, he played it, and that's impressive.

16:14 Speaker 3: And I went to school with so many talented musicians,

16:17 Speaker 3: and I was starting to realize these people like won't

16:21 Speaker 3: be needed if we continue down this path. And I

16:25 Speaker 3: think there's something special about someone actually playing it, and

16:30 Speaker 3: especially live. You can't have a live show if someone's

16:33 Speaker 3: not actually playing the instrument, you know. And now it's

16:37 Speaker 3: turned to AI and it is insane what they can

16:41 Speaker 3: do and make, you know, a whole song or parts

16:46 Speaker 3: of a song. So yeah, that's kind of become my

16:49 Speaker 3: shtick and my nichees saying like, hey, this is real,

16:53 Speaker 3: so just keep that in consideration when you're listening to it.

16:56 Speaker 3: Like some guy sat down and played every note on

16:59 Speaker 3: that guitar that you're hearing. So I think that deserves

17:02 Speaker 3: some it deserves to be shouted out and you know, yeah,

17:07 Speaker 3: get the credit.

17:08 Speaker 6: And so even the drums are live.

17:11 Speaker 3: The drums are live, the bass, the guitar, everything. We

17:15 Speaker 3: usually stack it from the bottom, so he'll will record

17:19 Speaker 3: the drums first, and he does that fully with no

17:23 Speaker 3: other instruments, Like he sits down and will play the

17:25 Speaker 3: entire song from start to finish, just on the drums

17:29 Speaker 3: and with a really crappy demo that we made, and

17:32 Speaker 3: he can pull out an entire song on the drums,

17:36 Speaker 3: and then we build it from the bottom up. So bass, guitar.

17:39 Speaker 6: Yeah, no, that's great, and that's you know, that's how

17:42 Speaker 6: it used to always be done. Although the reason I

17:45 Speaker 6: asked Sid about the drums specifically is because I've been

17:48 Speaker 6: surprised at various points when you know, even even stuff

17:52 Speaker 6: that was recorded in the eighties that I assumed, you know,

17:56 Speaker 6: just you know, hard rock songs that you know, a

18:00 Speaker 6: little research, and I learned that you know, this was

18:03 Speaker 6: pre AI, but but obviously this was you know, we're

18:06 Speaker 6: talking about eighties even early nineties rock where it's like,

18:10 Speaker 6: oh no, they actually did that with a with a

18:13 Speaker 6: drum machine. Those weren't real drums, and it's like, wow,

18:15 Speaker 6: that's uh, you know, it's kind of impressive in a

18:18 Speaker 6: way that they were able to create something so real.

18:20 Speaker 6: But at the same time, it's like sometimes it's sometimes

18:24 Speaker 6: if you do a little digging, you'll be really surprised

18:26 Speaker 6: at how much was was not real drums. Yeah, and

18:30 Speaker 6: of course now you can do that with everything.

18:32 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is. I think it is insane, you know,

18:37 Speaker 3: you would assume those things were all real. But yeah,

18:39 Speaker 3: drum machines were huge in the eighties, so a lot

18:41 Speaker 3: of those songs are just programmed and we play everything

18:45 Speaker 3: live maybe here and there they'll get he well, actually,

18:48 Speaker 3: I mean we use samples, but there's samples that they'll

18:51 Speaker 3: make themselves. So yeah, if a tom that he hit

18:54 Speaker 3: during the track wasn't strong enough, he'll go hit the

18:57 Speaker 3: tom one time, take that recording and put it right

19:01 Speaker 3: over the one that maybe he flubbed a little bit,

19:04 Speaker 3: so it's still him playing it. But oh yeah, yeah,

19:07 Speaker 3: that's how you like have to really fix stuff if

19:09 Speaker 3: it's real, you know.

19:11 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, you gotta do overdubs. I mean there's

19:13 Speaker 6: no get there's no getting it. Yeah. Absolutely, but that's

19:17 Speaker 6: just that's just part of the process. Has it been

19:20 Speaker 6: so has it been done that way with every all

19:22 Speaker 6: of the singles that you've released, it's all been done

19:24 Speaker 6: done that same way.

19:26 Speaker 3: Yes, everything I have out is real.

19:29 Speaker 6: That's great.

19:31 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of we It kind of started that

19:35 Speaker 3: way on accident, and then I started telling people, Hey,

19:39 Speaker 3: this song is real, and then we were like, well,

19:41 Speaker 3: if we're going to keep putting out songs, maybe we

19:43 Speaker 3: should do them all like that and that way they

19:45 Speaker 3: kind of have a cohesive sound. But then also we

19:48 Speaker 3: can continue to tell people and showcase like this is real,

19:52 Speaker 3: Like these are real people that are have years of

19:54 Speaker 3: training and talent that they can showcase.

19:57 Speaker 6: Yeah. Absolutely, no, I think that's great. And then what's

20:01 Speaker 6: the live situation, Like are you playing these songs out?

20:03 Speaker 6: Do you play out a lot? Obviously there's a lot

20:06 Speaker 6: of I know there's a lot of places to play

20:08 Speaker 6: in Nashville, but it's also probably pretty crowded in some ways.

20:11 Speaker 6: But what's that like as far as the live scene

20:14 Speaker 6: and do you get out and tour or how are

20:16 Speaker 6: you doing with that?

20:18 Speaker 3: I this is my third summer that I am playing.

20:23 Speaker 3: I primarily play in the summers just because winter kind

20:27 Speaker 3: of slows down a little bit, and I use that

20:30 Speaker 3: time more so for recording and writing and getting stuff

20:34 Speaker 3: ready to release and whatnot. And like I said, I'm

20:39 Speaker 3: from Columbus, Ohio. All of my family still lives there,

20:43 Speaker 3: Like every single family member lives there. All of my

20:46 Speaker 3: old friends from high school and before all still live there.

20:50 Speaker 3: So I visit there very frequently. I've built a very

20:55 Speaker 3: good community of people and kind of a following back there,

21:00 Speaker 3: and so I go back there very very frequently and

21:04 Speaker 3: play festivals and fairs in the surrounding area. Just because

21:08 Speaker 3: I've created a good community and I have lots of

21:12 Speaker 3: good contacts back there, that it's easier, or it's gotten

21:15 Speaker 3: easier for me to get my foot in the door

21:17 Speaker 3: there rather than here. So yes, I play all my

21:21 Speaker 3: songs there and it's so much fun. I have a

21:25 Speaker 3: band that lives in Columbus, so I just go there

21:29 Speaker 3: and they're ready for me. They practice on their own

21:31 Speaker 3: and we kind of just show up and rip it,

21:34 Speaker 3: and then I head back to Nashville and work on

21:36 Speaker 3: stuff and then go back there. I definitely love to

21:42 Speaker 3: expand get out of just playing in Ohio. I've played

21:45 Speaker 3: in Nashville a handful of times, but it's really not

21:49 Speaker 3: that fun because it's so saturated. It's just not the

21:53 Speaker 3: same energy as going to Columbus and the people there

21:57 Speaker 3: are like, oh my gosh, this is readible music, like

22:01 Speaker 3: thank you so much for playing for us, or this

22:03 Speaker 3: is people actually stand up and are singing along and

22:06 Speaker 3: these people have no idea who I am, but they'll

22:09 Speaker 3: really get into it. So trying to expand, but it's

22:14 Speaker 3: one step at a time.

22:16 Speaker 6: Yeah, no, that's really cool. That's really cool. Have you

22:18 Speaker 6: done any videos for these songs?

22:21 Speaker 3: I have one video out, actually, I have a couple out.

22:27 Speaker 3: I love making videos. I love every once in a

22:30 Speaker 3: while I vlog like our shows that we go to.

22:33 Speaker 3: So when we play at festivals and whatnot, I'll bring

22:36 Speaker 3: a camera or a guy that will come in video

22:39 Speaker 3: kind of the whole process because it's just fun to

22:41 Speaker 3: have for memories. But then it also turns into like

22:44 Speaker 3: a fun little video for people to see what we

22:48 Speaker 3: do and what it's like to go play. And honestly,

22:53 Speaker 3: I started reaching out to radio stations because it seemed

22:57 Speaker 3: like a good way for me to kind of talk

23:01 Speaker 3: to people that weren't in Tennessee or Ohio. It is

23:04 Speaker 3: a way for me to kind of get myself started

23:09 Speaker 3: in new places.

23:11 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely. So Now what's the uh so

23:16 Speaker 6: the single Greedy now that's been out a couple months.

23:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, it came out in April.

23:21 Speaker 6: Okay, Now you're working on the next one already or

23:23 Speaker 6: are you? Are you focusing on uh more on other

23:27 Speaker 6: things or what's like, what what's the current trajectory? Because

23:31 Speaker 6: you did mention that other one.

23:32 Speaker 3: That Yes, yeah, I have a song. It's called su

23:39 Speaker 3: Venirs and it comes out August first, and that's the

23:42 Speaker 3: one that was not written by me. We're just kind

23:45 Speaker 3: of trying something new out.

23:46 Speaker 6: Okay, is that that one's all all recorded and ready

23:49 Speaker 6: coming out.

23:50 Speaker 3: It's done, it's up, it's uploaded, so it's kind of

23:56 Speaker 3: just sitting there waiting to come out. So so yeah,

24:00 Speaker 3: that'll be the next one, and we're starting actually, funny enough,

24:04 Speaker 3: we took a pause on making my music and we

24:08 Speaker 3: really want to do like a fun Christmas song in

24:12 Speaker 3: obviously like November December, but you have to start them

24:16 Speaker 3: so early. So we're starting a Christmas song next week,

24:21 Speaker 3: So we kind of took a pause. This other song

24:23 Speaker 3: will come out, and while that one is being processed

24:26 Speaker 3: and coming out, we're working on a Christmas song to

24:29 Speaker 3: do later and then we'll get back to the normal stuff.

24:32 Speaker 6: Oh, very cool, very cool, but souvenirs August first, you.

24:36 Speaker 3: Said, right, August first, Yes, very.

24:38 Speaker 6: Cool, excellent, excellent. Yeah, be sure to be sure to

24:42 Speaker 6: sound that to us too. You know, we'll spin it here.

24:45 Speaker 6: Absolutely definitely, I will absolutely absolutely, Now, where should people

24:49 Speaker 6: go online to keep up with everything that you're doing.

24:51 Speaker 6: Where's the best place to go?

24:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say probably Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, all those

24:58 Speaker 3: places I post every day. Yeah, my name's the Cammi

25:03 Speaker 3: Knicks t A G C, A, M I N y X.

25:06 Speaker 3: And then I also have a website, the Kammiinicks dot com. Yes,

25:12 Speaker 3: and yeah, I post everything kind of all over those places,

25:16 Speaker 3: just what I'm doing and where I'm playing and what's

25:19 Speaker 3: coming out and yeah.

25:21 Speaker 6: Very good, very good. Yeah. I encourage everyone to follow

25:23 Speaker 6: you keep track of what you're doing as you're releasing

25:25 Speaker 6: new music. And I was thinking, so we'll let you

25:28 Speaker 6: go in a moment, Cammy, but I was thinking about

25:30 Speaker 6: ending the segment. You know, we played Reedy to open up.

25:32 Speaker 6: I was thinking about ending with this track good Things,

25:35 Speaker 6: which is also very catchy. I really like this a lot.

25:38 Speaker 6: Thank you. Yeah, absolutely so. I was thinking, well, we'll

25:40 Speaker 6: close out the segment with this. But yeah, thank you

25:43 Speaker 6: so much for joining us today. Are you in Nashville

25:45 Speaker 6: right now? Is that where you're joining us from?

25:47 Speaker 3: Yes, I'm calling in from Nashville. I'll be here for

25:51 Speaker 3: I think two more weeks and then I have a

25:52 Speaker 3: show the third week of July back in Ohio, so

25:56 Speaker 3: I'll be heading out there. Yeah, and then back back

26:01 Speaker 3: to it.

26:01 Speaker 6: Oh. Very cool, very cool. All right, well, Cammy, I

26:04 Speaker 6: appreciate you joining us today. We'll let you go. I'm

26:06 Speaker 6: gonna hit this track good Things, but uh, Cammy Knicks,

26:09 Speaker 6: thank you.

26:09 Speaker 3: So much, Thank you so much.

26:12 Speaker 6: You got it. We'll talk to you soon. Bye bye bye.

26:15 Speaker 6: All right, very good. That was Cammy Knicks. And uh,

26:18 Speaker 6: if you're wondering how to spell her last name, it's

26:20 Speaker 6: n y X. And let's give this a spin. This

26:23 Speaker 6: is called good Things, another great track from Cammy Knicks.

26:32 Speaker 9: How do I put it? Tried but I couldn't once

26:39 Speaker 9: was the answer. Oh he's a stranger.

26:45 Speaker 1: Love with a net go.

26:48 Speaker 3: Loved with my eyes closed, kiss like aod.

26:53 Speaker 2: Devil herd, temperamental.

27:00 Speaker 3: Like my heart should have loved him from the start.

27:05 Speaker 1: Is it true? All good things for love? Pard? Is

27:11 Speaker 1: it good? Or is it bad?

27:14 Speaker 5: House never gave inside rama, Art.

27:18 Speaker 4: Made it look easy that you never thought that happy

27:23 Speaker 4: smile and riving turn fine Ryan never.

27:28 Speaker 1: Crossed my mind.

27:30 Speaker 5: Always said that I loved Blue, but jealous looks good

27:35 Speaker 5: on you.

27:37 Speaker 3: That's face.

27:38 Speaker 1: It's funny.

27:40 Speaker 3: Fools would have judged me.

27:44 Speaker 9: Artie was honest, the boy was I'm modest art it

27:50 Speaker 9: was true love?

27:53 Speaker 1: What the hell's true love?

27:56 Speaker 4: A boy full of secrets, never said I would keep them?

28:03 Speaker 5: It's pregnant. So the funding from the start, no one

28:09 Speaker 5: know those good things?

28:14 Speaker 1: Is that good? Isn't that I must get it? How bad?

28:21 Speaker 3: Benny's look easy?

28:23 Speaker 10: That you know?

28:25 Speaker 1: But it spilence trying to do it? Pray across my

28:32 Speaker 1: fine all they said that all the blue.

28:36 Speaker 10: Jay, let's get on you, Jo.

28:52 Speaker 1: Don't stuck the shock you bad now seems so calm.

28:57 Speaker 5: Blue pot cross good tver even links.

29:06 Speaker 1: Is it good? Or is it that you I ever had?

29:13 Speaker 1: Don't know who I even know only go.

29:18 Speaker 9: So don man, I'm kidding?

29:23 Speaker 1: Is that good?

29:24 Speaker 3: Is it?

29:25 Speaker 1: That I must not burying inside? Don't Bama by the easy.

29:32 Speaker 5: That's because having start, I'm trying to do him lie

29:40 Speaker 5: across a line, always standing on off you shall let

29:46 Speaker 5: me go on you.

30:06 Speaker 6: I like that bass note at the end there that

30:09 Speaker 6: is Cammy Nicks. That track is called good Things. And

30:12 Speaker 6: earlier we played Greedy, her newest single, and then we

30:15 Speaker 6: talked with Cammy joining us from Nashville. That was very cool.

30:20 Speaker 6: So look forward to keeping up with everything that she's doing.

30:22 Speaker 6: Souvenirs coming out August first, and we might get to

30:26 Speaker 6: give that a world radio premiere. You know we like

30:28 Speaker 6: those absolutely, I do absolutely. If so, welcome everybody, of

30:32 Speaker 6: course if you are joining us alive on Saturday morning.

30:35 Speaker 6: It is July fifth, twenty twenty five. Matt Condorton Unleashed,

30:39 Speaker 6: and I think we should talk about this an interesting

30:46 Speaker 6: story that took me by surprise. So there's Lord who's

30:52 Speaker 6: she's been around for a while. I think, right, yes,

30:55 Speaker 6: she's got a new CD. And this is from the

30:57 Speaker 6: Verge dot com. So you know, some times, when releasing

31:02 Speaker 6: physical media, people like to come up with cool gimmicks,

31:05 Speaker 6: you know, like back in the days of when vinyl

31:10 Speaker 6: was was well. Of course, vinyl has had such a

31:12 Speaker 6: resurgence over the past decade, but you know, sometimes with Vinyl,

31:15 Speaker 6: people tried to do cool stuff, release limited edition vinyl.

31:20 Speaker 6: I remember, I still recall when Dan of Dan Randall

31:25 Speaker 6: and the Randlettes some people will know, when he showed

31:28 Speaker 6: me he had bought the the Kiss single for Unholy

31:34 Speaker 6: that came out in ninety two, and it was they

31:36 Speaker 6: put it out on limited edition white vinyl. It was

31:38 Speaker 6: so cool.

31:39 Speaker 11: Anyway, my favorite was a Stix album that I think

31:43 Speaker 11: it was Paradise Theater that actually had the theater in

31:47 Speaker 11: the album like the visual. Yeah, you had to hold

31:50 Speaker 11: the album a certain way to see the Yeah, to

31:53 Speaker 11: see it. But yeah, I mean I always love stuff

31:55 Speaker 11: like that.

31:55 Speaker 6: Yeah, pick picture discs they call him, yeah, and those

31:58 Speaker 6: are cool. And you know, some artists have tried to

32:01 Speaker 6: do things unique and innovative with CDs as well, not

32:06 Speaker 6: just vinyl. And Lord's new CD is transparent. You can

32:12 Speaker 6: see through it. And if you don't know what I'm

32:14 Speaker 6: talking about, you know, you can always go go find

32:17 Speaker 6: a picture of it online. It's interesting, it's completely clear.

32:20 Speaker 6: You can see right through it. What a cool idea, right, Yeah? Actually,

32:24 Speaker 6: well there's only one problem, and this is from the

32:28 Speaker 6: Verge dot com. Lord's new CD is so transparent that

32:31 Speaker 6: stereos can't even read it. Oh god, that's so terrible.

32:36 Speaker 6: And there's only one version and it doesn't work on

32:39 Speaker 6: most players. So this is from the Verge. It says

32:43 Speaker 6: Lord fans are clearly struggling to play the CD version

32:45 Speaker 6: of her new album. Consumers who purchased the special edition

32:48 Speaker 6: of Virgin, released on a transparent plastic disc are reporting

32:54 Speaker 6: on Reddit and TikTok that many CD players car serios

32:58 Speaker 6: and other sound systems they tried to play it on

33:01 Speaker 6: or unable to play it. The transparen CD promoted it

33:07 Speaker 6: as being fully recyclable, is currently sold out on Lord's

33:11 Speaker 6: web store and was the only disc variant available for

33:15 Speaker 6: the Virgin album. So, in other words, if you don't

33:17 Speaker 6: want the clear CD, if you want something you can

33:19 Speaker 6: actually play, you can't even get it. Nope. So that

33:23 Speaker 6: may have come as a that may have been a

33:24 Speaker 6: welcome compromise for fans, given the singer opted to forego

33:27 Speaker 6: a CD release entirely for her twenty twenty one album

33:31 Speaker 6: solar power over waste and environmental concerns, but little comfort

33:35 Speaker 6: to customers who can't purchase alternative options. One Reddit user said, quote,

33:40 Speaker 6: very cool looking and I'm not going to return it,

33:43 Speaker 6: but doesn't work in three of my top players. PC

33:47 Speaker 6: was able to rip, but the files are not great.

33:51 Speaker 6: There's distortion and clipping. User unquote. User reports indicate that

33:56 Speaker 6: older hardware is less likely to work with the CDD

33:58 Speaker 6: than devices with newer sensors, So you know, we should

34:02 Speaker 6: just stress that so people know. It's not that it

34:05 Speaker 6: doesn't play at all. You just have to have a new,

34:09 Speaker 6: a very new CD player apparently that is able to

34:12 Speaker 6: actually read the data on it, because as one person

34:17 Speaker 6: pointed out, and this isn't from the article I saw

34:20 Speaker 6: this on. Uh, I saw this on another post. Somebody said, Hey,

34:25 Speaker 6: you know it's completely clearer. There's no silver coding, but

34:29 Speaker 6: isn't the silver where the data is stored. God, that's true. Yeah, yeah,

34:35 Speaker 6: that's true. So apparently it's so so if you have

34:38 Speaker 6: a newer CD player you can play it, but older

34:42 Speaker 6: ones car serios won't play it. Uh, it's it's you're

34:46 Speaker 6: just sol it says here. One TikTok user demonstrated that

34:50 Speaker 6: her car CD player was an unable to recognize the

34:53 Speaker 6: disc and said that forcing the CD inside resulted in

34:57 Speaker 6: automatic ejection, mirroring similar reports made and Reddit comments. Uh

35:03 Speaker 6: this redditor said, quote, whoever decided to design this as

35:06 Speaker 6: an idiot? Cars can't read the CD. Walkman's can't read

35:10 Speaker 6: the CD. You need to create CDs that are fit

35:13 Speaker 6: for purpose of for the medium in which they are

35:17 Speaker 6: played on, which is older technology. Unquote.

35:21 Speaker 11: No, you should update your technology, but that's your it's

35:24 Speaker 11: your fault.

35:24 Speaker 6: You didn't update your technology. Right here the greatness of

35:27 Speaker 6: the desk. If you're a true Lord fan, you know

35:31 Speaker 6: this reminds me of a There's a podcaster who we

35:35 Speaker 6: know who always complains about people not listening to his

35:38 Speaker 6: podcast on good quality equipment and expects everyone to upgrade

35:42 Speaker 6: their equipment when they listened to his amazing must spend Yeah, yes,

35:48 Speaker 6: how he how he knows how people are consuming this content?

35:52 Speaker 11: I have no idea, But what I don't get is

35:54 Speaker 11: like didn't they test it out on They must have

35:58 Speaker 11: like only played it on the very best.

36:01 Speaker 6: That must that must be what happened.

36:02 Speaker 11: Yeah, nobody bothered to go, hey, let me go see

36:04 Speaker 11: if this will work in my car.

36:06 Speaker 6: That that's probably what happened, it says here. Lord has

36:09 Speaker 6: yet to address any of the issues raised about the

36:11 Speaker 6: transparent Virgin CD. The official came uh. The official cause

36:16 Speaker 6: of the playability issues also has not been confirmed. It's

36:20 Speaker 6: certainly striking. It's certainly a striking disc. CDs with even

36:24 Speaker 6: partially clear designs are uncommon uh and can be a

36:28 Speaker 6: hit with collectors, but the lack of functionality in this

36:30 Speaker 6: example has been a bitter experience for some Lord fans.

36:34 Speaker 11: Yeah I can imagine I got a pretty disc.

36:38 Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't play it. One TikTok user said, quote,

36:42 Speaker 6: seems like they didn't account for this pretty disappointing. I

36:45 Speaker 6: know it was for an aesthetic, but at least press

36:47 Speaker 6: it on normal CDs too. Unquote. Yeah, that's the other

36:51 Speaker 6: weird thing. It's like, why wouldn't you also put out

36:55 Speaker 6: a non clear addition because they thought that it was

37:00 Speaker 6: going to play and everything. Well, I also wonder if

37:03 Speaker 6: they thought that people might.

37:07 Speaker 3: This.

37:07 Speaker 6: Wow, there's a picture here in this article two of

37:11 Speaker 6: the disc of someone holding up the disc and yeah

37:14 Speaker 6: it's very clear. Yeah, I'd be pretty skeptical. Like if

37:16 Speaker 6: someone handed that to me and said, here, play this,

37:18 Speaker 6: I'd be like, uh, what is this? Is this actually

37:22 Speaker 6: a CD? What are you giving me here? Yeah?

37:24 Speaker 11: It looks kind of it doesn't You're right, it doesn't

37:27 Speaker 11: look like any disc that you've seen before. Yeah, but

37:31 Speaker 11: it's cute and it's quirky, and if it had played

37:34 Speaker 11: on everything, it would have been great.

37:35 Speaker 6: And that's probably why they didn't print regular ones.

37:38 Speaker 11: But then maybe they should go back and do that

37:40 Speaker 11: now and like offer people, you know, hey, you bought

37:44 Speaker 11: this disc, it's great, but here's one you can actually

37:46 Speaker 11: listen to, right, Like that would be great to do

37:48 Speaker 11: for fans, Yeah, that would make it better. Yeah, But

37:51 Speaker 11: to spend the money to buy the thing and you

37:53 Speaker 11: can't play the music, that's It's not just about aesthetics.

37:56 Speaker 6: I mean, you want to hear what's on it. Unless

38:00 Speaker 6: they also made the calculation, it's possible that someone made

38:03 Speaker 6: the calculation that people weren't going to buy this discs

38:06 Speaker 6: to play it, but people are going to buy this

38:08 Speaker 6: disc just to have it. I think that's silly. Well,

38:11 Speaker 6: here's the thing. The only reason I think someone might

38:13 Speaker 6: have thought that is because you know, my theory about vinyl.

38:17 Speaker 6: I've said it all the time that when artists release

38:20 Speaker 6: new vinyl, you know, because some of the guests that

38:21 Speaker 6: we've had on the show, for example, they'll they'll do vinyl,

38:24 Speaker 6: And I always say that My theory is most people

38:29 Speaker 6: who buy new vinyl don't even have a record player.

38:32 Speaker 6: They just buy it because they want to have it. Like,

38:35 Speaker 6: they never even necessarily open it. They just want to

38:38 Speaker 6: really support that artist, so they'll buy it just to

38:41 Speaker 6: you know, maybe put the artwork on the wall or something,

38:44 Speaker 6: or just just to have it because they want to

38:46 Speaker 6: support that artist, not because they actually have a record

38:48 Speaker 6: player at home that they're going to play it on,

38:50 Speaker 6: you know what I mean. I do know what you mean.

38:52 Speaker 11: But I honestly think in this instance, it's just not

38:56 Speaker 11: the equivalency.

38:57 Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I'm just I'm just wondering if someone maybe

39:00 Speaker 6: had that theory though, Like, maybe somebody had a theory

39:02 Speaker 6: to my theory about vinylin the I thought it would have.

39:04 Speaker 11: If that was the theory, why would you print only

39:07 Speaker 11: discs that you can't listen to?

39:09 Speaker 6: Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, Yeah, So it's

39:13 Speaker 6: pretty strange, and apparently it's not being addressed. I guess

39:16 Speaker 6: it just came out because this story just broke a

39:17 Speaker 6: couple of days ago.

39:19 Speaker 11: I'm sure that she anticipated that the disc was going

39:22 Speaker 11: to work, you know, I highly doubt that it was

39:25 Speaker 11: sold to her as Hey, we want to print millions.

39:28 Speaker 6: Of your desk, but we don't want them to be able.

39:30 Speaker 11: To necessarily play unless you got expensive equipment.

39:32 Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, unless you have new equipment. It done work.

39:37 Speaker 6: That's right, that's right, and that done not good? So well,

39:41 Speaker 6: hopefully everyone learns something from this.

39:43 Speaker 11: Yes, do not make it clear unless they find a

39:47 Speaker 11: better material to use to make them on that can

39:50 Speaker 11: actually be read.

39:51 Speaker 6: They kind of need the silver part. Yeah like that.

39:54 Speaker 6: One person wrote, absolutely, so another thing that happened recently.

40:01 Speaker 6: Oh and this this will probably be a surprise to

40:05 Speaker 6: you because we didn't discuss this, but this popped into

40:06 Speaker 6: my head. I wanted to say something about this. So

40:09 Speaker 6: long time listeners of the show, and of course people

40:11 Speaker 6: who know me personally know that Kiss is my favorite

40:14 Speaker 6: band of all time. You knew that, right? I think

40:20 Speaker 6: Kiss is mile time. Why there's Kiss all over your office?

40:23 Speaker 6: That might be yes, Kiss ornament hanging off your light?

40:27 Speaker 6: Kiss is my favorite band. Kiss Paul Stanley said something

40:31 Speaker 6: recently though that I found rather shocking really, and I

40:36 Speaker 6: just I just wanted to address it for the for

40:38 Speaker 6: the you know, a lot of guests that we've had

40:39 Speaker 6: on the show too, or like Kiss, so you know,

40:43 Speaker 6: this subject comes up. But as Paul Stanley said something

40:45 Speaker 6: that really surprised me, I was quite taken aback. He

40:49 Speaker 6: said in an interview, because he's doing a lot of

40:51 Speaker 6: interviews these days, he and Jine Someone's both are now

40:54 Speaker 6: that Kiss is you know, they're not touring anymore. They

40:56 Speaker 6: did their the End of the Road tour, they're doing

40:58 Speaker 6: the Hologram tour. They're still doing some stuff that's coming later.

41:03 Speaker 6: They are doing a thing and they're doing a big

41:05 Speaker 6: event in Las Vegas where they're going to play. So

41:07 Speaker 6: they're you know, they're still active, but they're not going

41:10 Speaker 6: to play. They're going to have No that's something that's

41:13 Speaker 6: something else that's coming later. No, Kiss actually is playing there. Yeah,

41:17 Speaker 6: so they're they're still going to do some things here

41:19 Speaker 6: and there, but but just not like a full tour.

41:22 Speaker 6: That was the last actual getting on the road, going

41:24 Speaker 6: on tour. They're in their seventies now. Oh yeah, Paul

41:28 Speaker 6: Stanley said in a recent interview that he feels in hindsight,

41:34 Speaker 6: because he's doing all these interviews talking about, you know,

41:37 Speaker 6: looking back on Kiss, he feels that, in hindsight, it

41:39 Speaker 6: was a mistake in nineteen eighty three when they took

41:42 Speaker 6: the makeup off, because those those four characters that they

41:47 Speaker 6: had created are so iconic and and uh and and

41:51 Speaker 6: you know, he didn't think that. He didn't think that

41:52 Speaker 6: anything that they did could could ever live up to that,

41:55 Speaker 6: And so on hindsight he feels that that that might

41:58 Speaker 6: have been a mistake. What do you think, Well, I

42:01 Speaker 6: was shocked that he said that, because because it was

42:05 Speaker 6: a complete one eighty from everything he's ever said on

42:09 Speaker 6: the subject, because everything else any other time, in any

42:13 Speaker 6: interview or even in his book. He talks about it.

42:15 Speaker 6: In his book, he talks about it a lot. The

42:17 Speaker 6: decision to do that, the reason they did it at

42:20 Speaker 6: the time was because, you know, the makeup on a

42:23 Speaker 6: business level had run its course. It had seemed Kiss

42:26 Speaker 6: had gone from being one of the biggest bands in

42:28 Speaker 6: the world to having a couple tough years where in

42:31 Speaker 6: the United States, you know, they had really kind of

42:33 Speaker 6: fallen down and they needed to change. It was time

42:35 Speaker 6: for a drastic change in the band. And so it's

42:39 Speaker 6: like Paul the way Paul talks about it in his book.

42:42 Speaker 6: For example, in his autobiography, he talks about the conversations

42:45 Speaker 6: he had about it with Gene because he had to

42:47 Speaker 6: talk Gene into it. It was Paul's idea, oh, and

42:50 Speaker 6: he had to know that, and he had to talk

42:51 Speaker 6: Gene into it. And he said to Gene, he said,

42:54 Speaker 6: we have nowhere else to go. We have to do this.

42:57 Speaker 6: Because both when they took the makeup off and three

43:00 Speaker 6: and when they put it back on in ninety six

43:02 Speaker 6: for the reunion tour with the original lineup, in both instances,

43:05 Speaker 6: Paul had to talk Gene into it. In both In

43:08 Speaker 6: both to put the makeup back on. To put the

43:10 Speaker 6: makeup back on, he had to talk Gene into it too.

43:12 Speaker 6: Both times he had to talk Gene into it. It

43:14 Speaker 6: was it was Paul who really wanted to do it,

43:17 Speaker 6: and you know, and obviously he did talk Gene into it.

43:20 Speaker 6: And the thing is, so Paul felt they couldn't continue

43:23 Speaker 6: on at that point in eighty three with the makeup.

43:25 Speaker 6: They had to make this change. And Paul was like,

43:27 Speaker 6: you know, not only will not only will it kind

43:31 Speaker 6: of refresh the band, it's sort of you know, it'll

43:35 Speaker 6: it'll also proved to everybody, you know, the haters, the doubters,

43:38 Speaker 6: the critics, you know, that that were more than just

43:40 Speaker 6: the makeup and the flash and all that, and that

43:43 Speaker 6: were there were real band of course, of course, so

43:48 Speaker 6: they took the biggest scambal of their career. They actually

43:51 Speaker 6: they because they were rolling the dice. It was a

43:53 Speaker 6: scary time for the band, and and Paul talked about

43:56 Speaker 6: that a lot in his book too. It was a

43:57 Speaker 6: scary time because this was a big risk, a big gamble,

44:01 Speaker 6: you know, and they did the unmasking on MTV and whatnot.

44:04 Speaker 6: Turn turned out, And this is part of why it's

44:06 Speaker 6: so shocking to me that Paul said this recently turned

44:09 Speaker 6: out it was the right call because it did it.

44:12 Speaker 6: It brought them back, you know, they they'd had a

44:16 Speaker 6: couple of tough years, but they take the makeup off

44:19 Speaker 6: and that first single, no Makeup, lick it up ended

44:22 Speaker 6: up being a big hit, and they're back, you know,

44:25 Speaker 6: they're on MTV now and the songs on the radio

44:28 Speaker 6: and Lick It Up goes platinum, and you know, so

44:32 Speaker 6: it really brought them back. Now, granted, during that non

44:35 Speaker 6: makeup era of the band, they were never as big

44:38 Speaker 6: as they were during that original makeup era where they

44:41 Speaker 6: were one of the biggest bands in the world. Yeah,

44:43 Speaker 6: but they were still doing really well. That was a

44:45 Speaker 6: successful period that all those albums went platinum. You know,

44:49 Speaker 6: they were still able to do the arena tours, the

44:52 Speaker 6: big arena tours. They they didn't have to scale down

44:54 Speaker 6: and play clubs or anything like that. So this is

44:56 Speaker 6: a pretty successful period and so but they had to

45:01 Speaker 6: do it, like they had to take that risk.

45:03 Speaker 11: Did he qualify his statement as to why he thinks

45:05 Speaker 11: it's a mistake.

45:06 Speaker 6: Now, He just said he said that, you know, looking

45:09 Speaker 6: back on it, he thinks that, you know, they should

45:11 Speaker 6: have maybe it would have been smarter to stick with

45:13 Speaker 6: that iconic image that they had created and not tamper

45:17 Speaker 6: with that. But he's never said that before. And I

45:20 Speaker 6: was just so shocked because he's always maintained up until

45:24 Speaker 6: recently that it was the right decision because that's what

45:28 Speaker 6: they had to do to save the band, and it worked,

45:31 Speaker 6: It did save the band, and so it's so I

45:34 Speaker 6: was so shocked when I saw that when he says,

45:36 Speaker 6: you know, in hindsight, I think it was a mistake.

45:38 Speaker 6: It was like really interesting, very shocked.

45:41 Speaker 11: Did you get older you change your perspectives on how

45:43 Speaker 11: you see things? I mean, yeah, I can look back

45:45 Speaker 11: on my youth and go, oh god, you are so ignorant.

45:48 Speaker 6: But there's no window. But yeah, we all make decisions.

45:52 Speaker 11: But it's you know, it is interesting because I mean,

45:55 Speaker 11: like you said, it kept them, It kept them viable,

45:58 Speaker 11: it kept them making money.

45:59 Speaker 6: Yeah, it gave them a whole new downsize already, like yeah,

46:02 Speaker 6: it gave them a whole new you know, I gave

46:04 Speaker 6: them a big boost, you know. Yeah, so that is interesting. Yeah. Yeah.

46:12 Speaker 6: And then and also too, if they had if they

46:14 Speaker 6: had never taken the makeup off the reunion in ninety six,

46:20 Speaker 6: when they put the original lineup back together and put

46:23 Speaker 6: the makeup back on, that wouldn't have meant nearly as much.

46:26 Speaker 6: You know, Yes, I agree, So I agree.

46:30 Speaker 11: It would have been like yeah, whatever, okay, well no,

46:33 Speaker 11: I mean it would have been the original lineup, so

46:35 Speaker 11: there's definitely something to say there.

46:36 Speaker 6: It still would have been a little bit.

46:37 Speaker 11: It wouldn't have been as dramatic putting the makeup back

46:41 Speaker 11: on right, right, except for what a decade?

46:44 Speaker 6: Yeah, take thirteen years. Yeah yeah, the non makeup era

46:47 Speaker 6: lasted thirteen years.

46:49 Speaker 11: Did you like the music better during that era or

46:52 Speaker 11: what's your favorite era of Kiss?

46:53 Speaker 6: I love every era of Kiss, but my favorite era

46:57 Speaker 6: is late makeup era, like you know, the first half

47:03 Speaker 6: of the nineties, when they were still out of makeup.

47:04 Speaker 6: That was my favorite era of Kiss. But see, I

47:08 Speaker 6: mean part of my perspective is when I became a

47:10 Speaker 6: Kiss fan, they were already out of the makeup for

47:11 Speaker 6: a couple of years. It was actually Tears Are Falling?

47:15 Speaker 11: Well, you were after the makeup? Yeah, yeah, I guess

47:18 Speaker 11: I kind of assumed you were in it from the beginning. No, no, no,

47:24 Speaker 11: you were a late bloomer.

47:26 Speaker 6: Well, yeah, when I really got into Kiss, it was

47:30 Speaker 6: the video for Tears Are Falling was on MTV. It

47:34 Speaker 6: was on in heavy rotation actually, and I still remember

47:38 Speaker 6: I was watching MTV one day after school and the

47:41 Speaker 6: video for Teers Are Falling is on, and my dad

47:44 Speaker 6: comes home from work and he kind of pokes his

47:46 Speaker 6: head into the living room and says, Maddie, who is

47:49 Speaker 6: that is that Kiss? And I said yeah, he said,

47:53 Speaker 6: I really liked this song, and I said, oh, yeah,

47:55 Speaker 6: me too, It's like my favorite song right now. And

47:58 Speaker 6: I guess he kind of made a mental note of

47:59 Speaker 6: that because then he got me that album for Christmas.

48:02 Speaker 6: He got me a Kiss Asylum was the album.

48:05 Speaker 11: And they Kiss Fan was born, and.

48:08 Speaker 6: Yeah, and that was you know, and I listened to

48:09 Speaker 6: that over and over and that was when Kiss became

48:12 Speaker 6: my favorite band. But yeah, so they were already out

48:17 Speaker 6: of the makeup anyway, So but yeah, and then and

48:20 Speaker 6: then Paul had to talk Gene into it in ninety

48:23 Speaker 6: six when, uh, because they did the MTV Unplugged where

48:28 Speaker 6: they were able to, you know, the two guys, the

48:31 Speaker 6: two original guys who were not in the band at

48:33 Speaker 6: that point, Peter Chris and Ace Railey, they were able

48:34 Speaker 6: to join in for a few songs. So that that

48:37 Speaker 6: kind of that kind of got the ball rolling, you know, well,

48:40 Speaker 6: maybe we should put the original lineup back together and

48:42 Speaker 6: do a reunion in full makeup. But again Paul had

48:45 Speaker 6: to talk Gene into it because Gene wanted to. He

48:48 Speaker 6: was skeptical and he was like, no, I like, I

48:51 Speaker 6: like the path we're on now, we should just keep

48:53 Speaker 6: going with this. And Paul said, now that the fans

48:57 Speaker 6: want this, and you know, and he was right. And

49:00 Speaker 6: he was right because that ended up being that reunion

49:02 Speaker 6: tour that summer in ninety six, Kiss and Metallica. Those

49:07 Speaker 6: were the two top selling tours of the summer. That's

49:09 Speaker 6: how huge that was. I mean it was massively successful.

49:13 Speaker 6: So true they did the right thing in the end. Yes, yes,

49:18 Speaker 6: So one other quick thing here. I think I'd sent

49:21 Speaker 6: this one to you. This is because we talk about it,

49:24 Speaker 6: even came up in our conversation with Cammy Nicks. We

49:27 Speaker 6: talked on the show a lot about AI and AI

49:29 Speaker 6: and music, and so this relates very directly to that.

49:32 Speaker 6: This is from the BBC AI claims and a hoax spokesman.

49:39 Speaker 6: Viral band confuses the world of music. So there's this

49:43 Speaker 6: viral band. Is this band is AI generated? Check this out.

49:48 Speaker 6: So a band called the Velvet Sundown has had its

49:52 Speaker 6: tracks played hundreds of thousands of times on Spotify since

49:56 Speaker 6: appearing several weeks ago, without anyone knowing for sure what

49:59 Speaker 6: it is. The band as a verified page on the

50:01 Speaker 6: music streaming platform with more than eight hundred and fifty

50:05 Speaker 6: thousand monthly listeners. It's a hit. However, none of the

50:10 Speaker 6: four named musicians in the band have given any interviews

50:13 Speaker 6: or appear to have individual social media accounts, and there

50:17 Speaker 6: are no records of any live performances. It is prompted

50:21 Speaker 6: accusations that they and their music are AI generated something

50:27 Speaker 6: the band, something the band denies on social media, not

50:34 Speaker 6: on camera, and the band did not respond to the

50:36 Speaker 6: BBC's request for an interview. This is kind of funny.

50:40 Speaker 6: I mean, it's scary, but it's kind of funny at

50:42 Speaker 6: the same time. Further confusing the story, Rolling Stone reported

50:48 Speaker 6: that the band spokesman had admitted The Velvet Sundown's music

50:52 Speaker 6: had been generated using an AI tool called care to

50:57 Speaker 6: Guess studio or sono so know the one, the one

51:01 Speaker 6: we've used, only for the magazine to st Uh to

51:06 Speaker 6: report shortly afterwards that the spokesman was himself a hoax.

51:12 Speaker 6: The spokesman was AI too. Yes, oh, I missed that part.

51:15 Speaker 6: The band, who goes by the name of Andrew frehlan Uh,

51:21 Speaker 6: said it was a deliberate plot to hoax the media.

51:24 Speaker 6: A statement on the band Spotify page said that the

51:27 Speaker 6: group has quote no affiliation with this individual nor any

51:30 Speaker 6: evidence confirming their identity or existence unquote. An account on x,

51:35 Speaker 6: which claims to be the band's official channel, is also fake,

51:38 Speaker 6: it added Professor Gina Neff from the Mindero or Mindaru

51:45 Speaker 6: Center for Technology and Democracy. Let's go with MINDERU because

51:49 Speaker 6: that's fun to say at the University of Cambridge says

51:52 Speaker 6: it points to a problem which affects much more than

51:55 Speaker 6: just one band. She said quote whether this is an

51:58 Speaker 6: AI band may not seem important, but increasingly our collective

52:03 Speaker 6: grip on reality seems shaky. The Velvet Sundown story plays

52:07 Speaker 6: into the fan, into the fears we have of losing

52:10 Speaker 6: control of AI, and shows how important protecting online information is.

52:16 Speaker 6: The Velvet sundowns indie ballads with guitar music and male

52:20 Speaker 6: vocals is fairly easy. If bland on the ear with

52:26 Speaker 6: lyrics such as eyes like film in in faded light dreams,

52:31 Speaker 6: walk barefoot into the night, ash and velvet smoke and

52:36 Speaker 6: flame calling out in Freedom's name, it could all feasibly

52:42 Speaker 6: be either AI generated or appenned by humans.

52:45 Speaker 11: Uh yeah, do you remember that happened with me recently?

52:51 Speaker 6: YAI band? An AI band contacted you that well? Were

52:56 Speaker 6: you contact contacted?

52:57 Speaker 11: The name is Interferre Yes, and I really liked the

53:03 Speaker 11: music yeap, and thought, oh, these guys are great, I'd

53:05 Speaker 11: love to have them on. And then I come to

53:07 Speaker 11: find out they are the creation of one human who

53:11 Speaker 11: created these other humans.

53:12 Speaker 6: That are not human.

53:13 Speaker 11: They are AI yes, and the whole band is is yeah,

53:19 Speaker 11: his musical creation. But in this instance, it's a big

53:23 Speaker 11: difference because he said every single lyric has been written

53:27 Speaker 11: by him, Yeah, for this particular band Interfury. So I

53:31 Speaker 11: don't know about the other person, but I know that

53:34 Speaker 11: all the lyrics to this particular music is claimed to

53:37 Speaker 11: have been written by the artist.

53:39 Speaker 6: Let's see, so they have us. I just looked up

53:44 Speaker 6: on YouTube. I want to I want to check out

53:46 Speaker 6: the music of the Velvet Sundown. They have a Velvet

53:48 Speaker 6: Sundown song called dust on the Wind. Not dust in

53:52 Speaker 6: the Wind, that that's Kansas. This is dust on the Wind. Interesting.

53:58 Speaker 6: Let's uh, I want to hear that and just see

54:01 Speaker 6: what it's like. Uh, here we go. Oh, it's got

54:04 Speaker 6: to get through these commercials. It is uh, it is

54:07 Speaker 6: monetized content. Let's see dust on the Wind. I say

54:13 Speaker 6: that's pretty smart.

54:25 Speaker 8: Dust on the wind, boots on the ground, smoking the sky,

54:33 Speaker 8: no peace found, rivers run red.

54:38 Speaker 1: The drums are also.

54:41 Speaker 7: Tell me brother, where do we go? Raise your hand?

54:49 Speaker 7: Doll Away sing how Loud may.

54:55 Speaker 12: Compaign, March mop Peace. Note for Pride, Let that Flag

55:04 Speaker 12: turn with the tide.

55:13 Speaker 6: M hm, well it sounds very pro war Let's fly.

55:22 Speaker 12: You think it's pro Mama praise while Young Manda.

55:28 Speaker 6: Sounds like it. Yeah, it's it sounds like it's we

55:33 Speaker 6: We still got time to make a stand. God time

55:36 Speaker 6: made stand. It's a it's a lyric video that I'm

55:40 Speaker 6: playing it from. That's why. That's why I know the lyrics.

55:43 Speaker 12: Look Away singing down Loud may compete.

55:50 Speaker 1: Much foppy.

55:53 Speaker 12: Note for Pride, Let that Fly Turn with the Chipe.

56:02 Speaker 6: I gotta say I love this AI generated voice. It's voice. Yeah,

56:07 Speaker 6: that's kind of an issue because all the ones I've

56:10 Speaker 6: heard so far, but actually really good.

56:12 Speaker 11: So that's that's kind of boo oh yeah, yeah, I

56:16 Speaker 11: want to I just want to know what is AI

56:18 Speaker 11: and what is human?

56:20 Speaker 6: That's what I want to know.

56:20 Speaker 11: Yeah, I think there should be a little disclaimer or something, yeah,

56:25 Speaker 11: like this is my creation, but.

56:26 Speaker 6: The band is magic, the Velvet Sundown. I'm curious if

56:31 Speaker 6: I can find anything else of there.

56:32 Speaker 11: Here, So you should check out that Interfury one.

56:39 Speaker 6: Yeah, no, you showed me that. Yeah yeah, yeah, oh

56:41 Speaker 6: yeah I did show it too. Oh. They've got a

56:43 Speaker 6: whole album called Dust and Silence, Dust and Silence. Yeah,

56:48 Speaker 6: let's see. This was the song though, wasn't it dust?

56:50 Speaker 6: Dust on the Wind, on the wind. This one's called

56:53 Speaker 6: let It Bird.

57:01 Speaker 13: Flicker, Lights on silver sand, marching ghos with no commands,

57:15 Speaker 13: velvet boots on mirrod ground, drums of thunder, distance.

57:28 Speaker 1: Promises in static blue.

57:35 Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean it is a little bland, but all

57:38 Speaker 6: right there it is the world radio premiere of The

57:41 Speaker 6: Velvet Sundown.

57:42 Speaker 1: No, we don't close your eyes and smoke these.

57:48 Speaker 6: I'm looking at these song titles. I do too. I'm

57:51 Speaker 6: looking at these song titles and this titles like Driftwood Soldiers,

57:57 Speaker 6: where War Remains? Oh yeah, this is all there seems

58:01 Speaker 6: to be a theme war debt yeh Crimson Parade. Oh

58:09 Speaker 6: isn't that a pretty image? Mm hmm. Yeah. There's a

58:13 Speaker 6: lot of stuff in the lyrics about waving flags and

58:16 Speaker 6: maybe the person making people pay.

58:18 Speaker 11: The person created maybe be a veteran. Maybe you like,

58:23 Speaker 11: do we know anything about the creator?

58:25 Speaker 6: No, we don't know anything about just that they're not

58:28 Speaker 6: real and there.

58:30 Speaker 11: And their contact isn't real either, right, spokesperson.

58:35 Speaker 6: The spokesperson was not real. There's an AI generated picture

58:40 Speaker 6: of them of the band. They saw that when I

58:44 Speaker 6: was looking at it. They look like, uh, but the

58:47 Speaker 6: one yes, but you can tell like at least.

58:51 Speaker 11: The one on the right hand side looked like he

58:53 Speaker 11: was AI.

58:54 Speaker 6: Yeah, they kind of. They doesn't look like he's not

58:56 Speaker 6: a They kind of look fake. Yeah. Yeah, Well yeah,

59:01 Speaker 6: that's where we are.

59:02 Speaker 2: Now.

59:03 Speaker 6: There you go, there you go. All right, well we'll

59:06 Speaker 6: begin to wrap up. We're almost out of time. Oh

59:08 Speaker 6: my goodness. Yes, I hope everyone had a safe Fourth

59:11 Speaker 6: of July.

59:11 Speaker 11: Absolutely, I hope you're stuff with hamburgers.

59:14 Speaker 6: And hot dogs. Oh and there is a new Tough

59:16 Speaker 6: Bumps up, Eric and I did it yesterday. Tough Bumps

59:19 Speaker 6: Episode ten is up. You can find that online. And Jenny,

59:23 Speaker 6: you want to You're always up to a lot of

59:24 Speaker 6: stuff you want to mention your website.

59:26 Speaker 11: Hi, you can always check me out at Jencoffee dot com.

59:28 Speaker 11: J E N N C O F f UI dot com.

59:31 Speaker 11: And I was told yesterday I have some things coming up,

59:34 Speaker 11: so stay tuned.

59:35 Speaker 6: Very good, very good. And if you want to know

59:37 Speaker 6: more about me and everything I'm up to Matt Connerton

59:40 Speaker 6: dot com and thank you again of course everyone who

59:42 Speaker 6: joined us today, Cammy Nix. And in the second hour

59:45 Speaker 6: we had a congregation x They sounded amazing. And in

59:48 Speaker 6: the first hour we had Shanna Trehan, author of The

59:52 Speaker 6: Anxiety Fix. That was a very interesting conversation. And if

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