Field Dispatch
Matt Connarton Unleashed 7-5-25 hour 3
Game Plan
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Speaker 2: Was it easy being greedy? Did it ever cross your
Speaker 2: mind to think I want? Might be pacing, waiting on
Speaker 2: the phone, the ring and you kiss me so you
Speaker 2: miss me? But I can tell that something has changed.
Speaker 2: There's a sadness, calous pain that's driving you away.
Speaker 1: You breathing now you're leaving.
Speaker 3: It's the last time you walked down my door, and
Speaker 3: now I'm crying in my bedroom? Was it I just
Speaker 3: something I fell for?
Speaker 1: Afraid that awake up?
Speaker 3: And just like that, it's all the memory breathing.
Speaker 1: Fol used to be this.
Speaker 4: We're over enclosure, But I still hope you think about
Speaker 4: all the good times, the late nights walking through that
Speaker 4: old beach town gottapunder. If your murther ever asks about
Speaker 4: how I'm doing now?
Speaker 1: Is she happy? Are you happy?
Speaker 3: You're feeling like the big man now?
Speaker 1: Pleading my feelings because.
Speaker 3: The last time you walked on.
Speaker 1: My norse was crying in my bedroom? Ho it U
Speaker 1: just something of a bar braying shame in just like that?
Speaker 1: I never be what didy very great.
Speaker 5: Across your heart and thy easy, very greed?
Speaker 2: Was it easy to love me? Was it easy to
Speaker 2: touch me? Was it easy to leave.
Speaker 1: Me.
Speaker 6: That is catchy as hell. That is Greedy. That's the
Speaker 6: name of the track. That is Cammy next, and we're
Speaker 6: going to talk with Cammy in just a moment. Welcome everybody.
Speaker 6: This is Matt Connorton Unleashed. We have entered our number
Speaker 6: three New Marrow Trace on this Saturday, July five, twenty
Speaker 6: twenty five. Thank you all for joining us. And Jenny
Speaker 6: is here, of course, is at the news table, presented
Speaker 6: accounted for. I think I almost at news Desko seeing
Speaker 6: old school. It's a table and uh let's see Campy here.
Speaker 6: Bring Cammy on here, Cammy are you there?
Speaker 3: Hi? Yes, I'm here.
Speaker 6: Welcome to the program. We just started using Google Teams recently,
Speaker 6: so it's still a little bit of an adventure.
Speaker 3: So okay, cool.
Speaker 6: So I'm always relieved when the guest is connected and
Speaker 6: everything's good. Welcome to the show. I love that song Greedy.
Speaker 6: It's very very catchy.
Speaker 3: Thank you so much, and thank you for having me.
Speaker 6: Absolutely absolutely. Uh So, where are you from?
Speaker 3: Originally Columbus, Ohio, but I live in Nashville.
Speaker 6: Now, okay, okay, what's it like living in Nashville? Because
Speaker 6: you know, we've had we've had a lot of guests
Speaker 6: on the show who have traveled there, but you know,
Speaker 6: maybe to spend a weekend or a week there. But
Speaker 6: I don't think we've had anybody on the show who
Speaker 6: lives there currently. And obviously Nashville known for being for music.
Speaker 6: I mean, is is it a lot of pressure there
Speaker 6: living there and being a part of the scene there
Speaker 6: or what's that like?
Speaker 3: It is definitely interesting, there's a lot of pressure, but
Speaker 3: more so I just say it's very saturated, so it's
Speaker 3: really really difficult to get your foot in the door.
Speaker 3: But at the same time, because it's so saturated, there's
Speaker 3: so many people to work with and so many people
Speaker 3: to network with. Yeah, and it's such a good community
Speaker 3: of people, but it is very tricky to kind of
Speaker 3: get going and get a name for yourself.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I would imagine. I would imagine it is. But
Speaker 6: that's that's a great place to be for what you're doing,
Speaker 6: and it's it might cut against some of the ideas,
Speaker 6: some of the preconceptions too that people have Nashville, because
Speaker 6: you know, a lot of people when they hear Nashville,
Speaker 6: especially people not in the industry, they think of country music.
Speaker 6: But it's more than just country music, And obviously you
Speaker 6: know what you're doing is in country. I don't know
Speaker 6: if you have any country songs, but but really, I
Speaker 6: mean there's all kinds of music happening there, and there's
Speaker 6: all kinds of connections you can make and people to
Speaker 6: work with.
Speaker 3: Right, Yeah, definitely. I think it has the stigma that
Speaker 3: it's country music because that's what it started as. But
Speaker 3: it's really any in every genre. And it is more
Speaker 3: so just the music city, as people call it, and
Speaker 3: this is where everyone comes to record, even non country people.
Speaker 3: They all record in the studios here or work with
Speaker 3: people here, or have session players from Nashville. Because these
Speaker 3: people are very talented and they can play any genre.
Speaker 3: They can do anything. So yeah, it's it's any genre really.
Speaker 6: Absolutely. How long have you lived there?
Speaker 3: This is my sixth year living here.
Speaker 6: Oh believe, Oh you've been there a long time? Okay, great? Great?
Speaker 3: Ye I went to college here, So I moved when
Speaker 3: I was seventeen.
Speaker 6: Oh outstanding? Okay? Was greedy? Was that recorded there? See?
Speaker 6: It was?
Speaker 3: Yeah?
Speaker 6: Okay, okay, very cool. Now what about so you started
Speaker 6: pretty young? I would imagine you're from Ohio. Originally you said, right, yes,
Speaker 6: were you involved in music before moving to Nashville. I assume.
Speaker 6: I mean, I know you moved there for school, but
Speaker 6: growing up you said, was a Columbus, Ohio.
Speaker 3: You said, yeah, Columbus, Ohio. I grew up there and
Speaker 3: was definitely involved in music, and specifically musical theater. I
Speaker 3: did a lot of that as a kid in like
Speaker 3: growing up and in all throughout my life in high
Speaker 3: school everything I was known as like the musical kid
Speaker 3: in my town. And I ran all the music programs.
Speaker 3: I was the president of all these different choirs and
Speaker 3: small ensembles, and I did all the community theater shows
Speaker 3: and this, that and the other. So I was definitely
Speaker 3: musically inclined from a very young age and that just
Speaker 3: kind of became my thing. And I didn't really do sports.
Speaker 3: It was always just music. And so I made the
Speaker 3: decision to Originally I was going to go to college
Speaker 3: for musical theater because I thought that I liked that,
Speaker 3: but I then quickly realized I just liked the singing
Speaker 3: part of it. I didn't care about the acting or
Speaker 3: the dancing. I just wanted some like someplace to sing
Speaker 3: in front of people. Sure, So then I pivoted and
Speaker 3: moved to Nashville to do music.
Speaker 6: No, that makes sense, but yeah, I mean doing music
Speaker 6: that was clearly inevitable, you know, given you your background
Speaker 6: and everything that you did growing up. So so that's
Speaker 6: that's great. Now, how many? So you have several singles out?
Speaker 6: I know, have you have you recorded an album or
Speaker 6: an EP yet or is that on your radar?
Speaker 3: It's not currently on my radar. I have four singles
Speaker 3: out right now, and I'm kind of just riding the
Speaker 3: singles wave because I think as a smaller independent artist,
Speaker 3: it's pretty difficult to put out an EP or an
Speaker 3: album and expect people to listen to the whole thing. Yeah,
Speaker 3: because that's a lot easier when you have a big
Speaker 3: following and people want to sit down and listen to it.
Speaker 3: But I would rather create singles and put them out
Speaker 3: one at a time and give them a bunch of
Speaker 3: attention or as much as I can, and that way
Speaker 3: they get kind of the spotlight for a second, rather
Speaker 3: than putting out like a forty five minute long album
Speaker 3: and hoping that people will listen to it.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I think that makes sense. It's a lot of
Speaker 6: artists it's very important to them to do to do albums,
Speaker 6: but there's I don't remember who it was we were
Speaker 6: talking to about this, but we had a guest on
Speaker 6: the show recently talking about how when you put out
Speaker 6: an album, it's like, you know, in terms of algorithms,
Speaker 6: like on Spotify, for example, you get that initial boost
Speaker 6: of okay, here's something new. You know, it might show
Speaker 6: up in your suggestions, here's something you might like, whether
Speaker 6: it be Spotify or even on YouTube or wherever. But yeah,
Speaker 6: but you get that big bump, that little not even
Speaker 6: a big bump, but you get that little extra push
Speaker 6: once with the album and then that's it. Whereas if
Speaker 6: you just release a series of singles. With every single,
Speaker 6: you get that little push algorithmically speaking, and so that
Speaker 6: ends up being a little bit of a more sustainable strategy.
Speaker 6: Although some of the guests too that we've had on
Speaker 6: the show recently, they've kind of inverted, you know, because
Speaker 6: the old approach, you know, sort of pre internet, was
Speaker 6: you release an album and then a series of singles
Speaker 6: to radio, and some artists now they release a series
Speaker 6: of singles that eventually coalesce into an album or any exactly. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but what.
Speaker 3: You're doing I think that's more than norm I think
Speaker 3: now as people putting out singles and then they release
Speaker 3: like an EP, but it's just all of the singles
Speaker 3: they've already put out.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Now in terms of you, in terms
Speaker 6: of your songs, the songs that you've put out, are
Speaker 6: these all written by you or do you have I'm
Speaker 6: really curious about this, especially given where you are graphically,
Speaker 6: because you have so many you know, you're just surrounded
Speaker 6: by all kinds of talent. So I'm curious about your
Speaker 6: process and who you collaborate with or maybe you do
Speaker 6: it all your own. I don't know, but I'm really
Speaker 6: interested in that.
Speaker 7: Yeah.
Speaker 3: I write all of my own songs that are currently out.
Speaker 3: I've some of them have co writers on them, so
Speaker 3: people that I worked with, but a few of them
Speaker 3: were fully just written by me. Start to finish, and
Speaker 3: then I have a recording studio in town. There's two
Speaker 3: producers there that I work with, and I bring them
Speaker 3: my songs, play it for them and see what they think,
Speaker 3: and then they help me bring it to life and
Speaker 3: make it what it ends up being.
Speaker 8: And we do.
Speaker 3: Everything in house. It's all real instruments, like we play.
Speaker 3: It's the two guys and then myself I play a
Speaker 3: few instruments, and so we between the three of us
Speaker 3: can play every instrument that we need for the track.
Speaker 3: We record it live and have real instruments, real players, everything,
Speaker 3: and then they mix and master it for me. And
Speaker 3: that's kind of been our process for a while. However,
Speaker 3: I have a single coming out in August, and it's
Speaker 3: the first time I'm releasing a song that I had
Speaker 3: no part in writing. I took a cut from some
Speaker 3: friends that I have that are professional songwriters, and I
Speaker 3: kind of started to explore this idea of I don't
Speaker 3: have to do everything myself. I can just be the
Speaker 3: artist or just be the performer. And there are many
Speaker 3: talented songwriters here, obviously, and that's what people in the
Speaker 3: real industry do. These huge, famous people are not writing
Speaker 3: their songs themselves. They have ten fifteen people helping them
Speaker 3: write songs, or they don't even write them at all,
Speaker 3: and they get these cuts from very talented songwriters. So
Speaker 3: I tried that out and I really liked how the
Speaker 3: song turned out. So my next single is fully just
Speaker 3: written by other people.
Speaker 6: Okay, interesting, was it hard to take that step? I mean,
Speaker 6: was that something did you? Did you go into that
Speaker 6: saying no maybe I will try this and see what happens.
Speaker 6: Or was it more like, like, did you have to
Speaker 6: be kind of coaxed into it? Because that's got to
Speaker 6: be because that's a big shift, right because, like you said,
Speaker 6: you were used to doing everything yourself, which gives you
Speaker 6: a lot of autonomy and control over your material. And
Speaker 6: to take that step and do something that someone else wrote,
Speaker 6: was that difficult or did it? Did it come naturally
Speaker 6: or what was that? Like?
Speaker 3: I think it really came naturally. It was my idea.
Speaker 3: I kind of put feelers out and let people in
Speaker 3: the industry know, hey, I'm open to cuts. If you
Speaker 3: have songs that you aren't going to cut or you
Speaker 3: don't have anybody to cut them, send them not my way,
Speaker 3: and I'll listen to them and if they fit my vibe,
Speaker 3: my overall kind of genre that I'm building for myself.
Speaker 3: And I took them to my producers too, and we
Speaker 3: kind of listened to them together because they know my style,
Speaker 3: and we decided which ones fit me, which ones didn't
Speaker 3: fit me, and then narrowed it down to the song
Speaker 3: that's going to come out. And I honestly think it
Speaker 3: wasn't that difficult because I grew up my whole life,
Speaker 3: obviously doing theater, and I was in lots of cover
Speaker 3: bands and things like that, so I grew up singing
Speaker 3: other people's songs my whole life. It really wasn't that different.
Speaker 3: And if it's a good song at the end of
Speaker 3: the day, I think that's all that matters. And yeah,
Speaker 3: it wasn't. It really wasn't a hard process. It kind
Speaker 3: of made it more enjoyable because I wasn't scrutinizing it
Speaker 3: as much as if it were my own songwriting. I'm
Speaker 3: much more like, oh, does this sound stupid? I wrote this,
Speaker 3: These words are probably dumb. But since somebody else wrote
Speaker 3: it and I very much enjoyed their songwriting already, I
Speaker 3: just sang it and liked it from.
Speaker 6: The start, that makes sense. So it sounds like it
Speaker 6: was kind of liberating in a way. Yeah, that's very cool.
Speaker 6: You mentioned too, So I noticed you went out of
Speaker 6: your way to put extra emphasis on talking about how
Speaker 6: everything that you do it's played by real people, real musicians.
Speaker 6: And it makes me curious because one of the things
Speaker 6: that we talk about on the show a lot, because
Speaker 6: we have a lot of sort of industry centric, shall
Speaker 6: we say, conversations on the show is we talk a
Speaker 6: lot about AI, the use of AI and music and whatnot,
Speaker 6: and I'm curious. I suspect based on what you've said
Speaker 6: that this might be something that you're concerned about, So
Speaker 6: I'd like to get your thoughts on that, or maybe
Speaker 6: there's another dimension to it. But I'm really interested because,
Speaker 6: like I said, you went out of your way to
Speaker 6: tell us you know, this is all real, so obviously
Speaker 6: there's no none of these parts were created by AI
Speaker 6: and any of your songs. So I'm curious if you
Speaker 6: have if you have further thoughts on that that you
Speaker 6: like to share.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's interesting because my kind of stance on that
Speaker 3: started even before AI I kind of joined the picture.
Speaker 3: I was always looking for what my niche was in
Speaker 3: the industry, Like I think everybody has their thing that
Speaker 3: makes them unique and their genre or it's their sound
Speaker 3: or this, that and the other. And I realized that
Speaker 3: I think what makes me unique is that our music
Speaker 3: is very commercial, it's very commercially successful, but it's all real.
Speaker 3: And in today's day, most music is not real. It's
Speaker 3: all done digitally or it can be done digitally. And
Speaker 3: I went to college here and there were so many
Speaker 3: people at my school who made full songs in their
Speaker 3: dorm rooms on their laptop and you would never know
Speaker 3: that they did it by themselves at midnight, just on
Speaker 3: their computer. And I wanted something that made us stand out.
Speaker 3: And I realized, like, hey, we play all of this
Speaker 3: for real, and I don't think a lot of people
Speaker 3: do that, and I think that's something we should emphasize
Speaker 3: and tell people, is like this is real. Like this
Speaker 3: there's someone sitting there actually playing the drums. Every single
Speaker 3: beat that you hear, he played it, and that's impressive.
Speaker 3: And I went to school with so many talented musicians,
Speaker 3: and I was starting to realize these people like won't
Speaker 3: be needed if we continue down this path. And I
Speaker 3: think there's something special about someone actually playing it, and
Speaker 3: especially live. You can't have a live show if someone's
Speaker 3: not actually playing the instrument, you know. And now it's
Speaker 3: turned to AI and it is insane what they can
Speaker 3: do and make, you know, a whole song or parts
Speaker 3: of a song. So yeah, that's kind of become my
Speaker 3: shtick and my nichees saying like, hey, this is real,
Speaker 3: so just keep that in consideration when you're listening to it.
Speaker 3: Like some guy sat down and played every note on
Speaker 3: that guitar that you're hearing. So I think that deserves
Speaker 3: some it deserves to be shouted out and you know, yeah,
Speaker 3: get the credit.
Speaker 6: And so even the drums are live.
Speaker 3: The drums are live, the bass, the guitar, everything. We
Speaker 3: usually stack it from the bottom, so he'll will record
Speaker 3: the drums first, and he does that fully with no
Speaker 3: other instruments, Like he sits down and will play the
Speaker 3: entire song from start to finish, just on the drums
Speaker 3: and with a really crappy demo that we made, and
Speaker 3: he can pull out an entire song on the drums,
Speaker 3: and then we build it from the bottom up. So bass, guitar.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, that's great, and that's you know, that's how
Speaker 6: it used to always be done. Although the reason I
Speaker 6: asked Sid about the drums specifically is because I've been
Speaker 6: surprised at various points when you know, even even stuff
Speaker 6: that was recorded in the eighties that I assumed, you know,
Speaker 6: just you know, hard rock songs that you know, a
Speaker 6: little research, and I learned that you know, this was
Speaker 6: pre AI, but but obviously this was you know, we're
Speaker 6: talking about eighties even early nineties rock where it's like,
Speaker 6: oh no, they actually did that with a with a
Speaker 6: drum machine. Those weren't real drums, and it's like, wow,
Speaker 6: that's uh, you know, it's kind of impressive in a
Speaker 6: way that they were able to create something so real.
Speaker 6: But at the same time, it's like sometimes it's sometimes
Speaker 6: if you do a little digging, you'll be really surprised
Speaker 6: at how much was was not real drums. Yeah, and
Speaker 6: of course now you can do that with everything.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, it is. I think it is insane, you know,
Speaker 3: you would assume those things were all real. But yeah,
Speaker 3: drum machines were huge in the eighties, so a lot
Speaker 3: of those songs are just programmed and we play everything
Speaker 3: live maybe here and there they'll get he well, actually,
Speaker 3: I mean we use samples, but there's samples that they'll
Speaker 3: make themselves. So yeah, if a tom that he hit
Speaker 3: during the track wasn't strong enough, he'll go hit the
Speaker 3: tom one time, take that recording and put it right
Speaker 3: over the one that maybe he flubbed a little bit,
Speaker 3: so it's still him playing it. But oh yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: that's how you like have to really fix stuff if
Speaker 3: it's real, you know.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, yeah, you gotta do overdubs. I mean there's
Speaker 6: no get there's no getting it. Yeah. Absolutely, but that's
Speaker 6: just that's just part of the process. Has it been
Speaker 6: so has it been done that way with every all
Speaker 6: of the singles that you've released, it's all been done
Speaker 6: done that same way.
Speaker 3: Yes, everything I have out is real.
Speaker 6: That's great.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's kind of we It kind of started that
Speaker 3: way on accident, and then I started telling people, Hey,
Speaker 3: this song is real, and then we were like, well,
Speaker 3: if we're going to keep putting out songs, maybe we
Speaker 3: should do them all like that and that way they
Speaker 3: kind of have a cohesive sound. But then also we
Speaker 3: can continue to tell people and showcase like this is real,
Speaker 3: Like these are real people that are have years of
Speaker 3: training and talent that they can showcase.
Speaker 6: Yeah. Absolutely, no, I think that's great. And then what's
Speaker 6: the live situation, Like are you playing these songs out?
Speaker 6: Do you play out a lot? Obviously there's a lot
Speaker 6: of I know there's a lot of places to play
Speaker 6: in Nashville, but it's also probably pretty crowded in some ways.
Speaker 6: But what's that like as far as the live scene
Speaker 6: and do you get out and tour or how are
Speaker 6: you doing with that?
Speaker 3: I this is my third summer that I am playing.
Speaker 3: I primarily play in the summers just because winter kind
Speaker 3: of slows down a little bit, and I use that
Speaker 3: time more so for recording and writing and getting stuff
Speaker 3: ready to release and whatnot. And like I said, I'm
Speaker 3: from Columbus, Ohio. All of my family still lives there,
Speaker 3: Like every single family member lives there. All of my
Speaker 3: old friends from high school and before all still live there.
Speaker 3: So I visit there very frequently. I've built a very
Speaker 3: good community of people and kind of a following back there,
Speaker 3: and so I go back there very very frequently and
Speaker 3: play festivals and fairs in the surrounding area. Just because
Speaker 3: I've created a good community and I have lots of
Speaker 3: good contacts back there, that it's easier, or it's gotten
Speaker 3: easier for me to get my foot in the door
Speaker 3: there rather than here. So yes, I play all my
Speaker 3: songs there and it's so much fun. I have a
Speaker 3: band that lives in Columbus, so I just go there
Speaker 3: and they're ready for me. They practice on their own
Speaker 3: and we kind of just show up and rip it,
Speaker 3: and then I head back to Nashville and work on
Speaker 3: stuff and then go back there. I definitely love to
Speaker 3: expand get out of just playing in Ohio. I've played
Speaker 3: in Nashville a handful of times, but it's really not
Speaker 3: that fun because it's so saturated. It's just not the
Speaker 3: same energy as going to Columbus and the people there
Speaker 3: are like, oh my gosh, this is readible music, like
Speaker 3: thank you so much for playing for us, or this
Speaker 3: is people actually stand up and are singing along and
Speaker 3: these people have no idea who I am, but they'll
Speaker 3: really get into it. So trying to expand, but it's
Speaker 3: one step at a time.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, that's really cool. That's really cool. Have you
Speaker 6: done any videos for these songs?
Speaker 3: I have one video out, actually, I have a couple out.
Speaker 3: I love making videos. I love every once in a
Speaker 3: while I vlog like our shows that we go to.
Speaker 3: So when we play at festivals and whatnot, I'll bring
Speaker 3: a camera or a guy that will come in video
Speaker 3: kind of the whole process because it's just fun to
Speaker 3: have for memories. But then it also turns into like
Speaker 3: a fun little video for people to see what we
Speaker 3: do and what it's like to go play. And honestly,
Speaker 3: I started reaching out to radio stations because it seemed
Speaker 3: like a good way for me to kind of talk
Speaker 3: to people that weren't in Tennessee or Ohio. It is
Speaker 3: a way for me to kind of get myself started
Speaker 3: in new places.
Speaker 6: Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely. So Now what's the uh so
Speaker 6: the single Greedy now that's been out a couple months.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it came out in April.
Speaker 6: Okay, Now you're working on the next one already or
Speaker 6: are you? Are you focusing on uh more on other
Speaker 6: things or what's like, what what's the current trajectory? Because
Speaker 6: you did mention that other one.
Speaker 3: That Yes, yeah, I have a song. It's called su
Speaker 3: Venirs and it comes out August first, and that's the
Speaker 3: one that was not written by me. We're just kind
Speaker 3: of trying something new out.
Speaker 6: Okay, is that that one's all all recorded and ready
Speaker 6: coming out.
Speaker 3: It's done, it's up, it's uploaded, so it's kind of
Speaker 3: just sitting there waiting to come out. So so yeah,
Speaker 3: that'll be the next one, and we're starting actually, funny enough,
Speaker 3: we took a pause on making my music and we
Speaker 3: really want to do like a fun Christmas song in
Speaker 3: obviously like November December, but you have to start them
Speaker 3: so early. So we're starting a Christmas song next week,
Speaker 3: So we kind of took a pause. This other song
Speaker 3: will come out, and while that one is being processed
Speaker 3: and coming out, we're working on a Christmas song to
Speaker 3: do later and then we'll get back to the normal stuff.
Speaker 6: Oh, very cool, very cool, but souvenirs August first, you.
Speaker 3: Said, right, August first, Yes, very.
Speaker 6: Cool, excellent, excellent. Yeah, be sure to be sure to
Speaker 6: sound that to us too. You know, we'll spin it here.
Speaker 6: Absolutely definitely, I will absolutely absolutely, Now, where should people
Speaker 6: go online to keep up with everything that you're doing.
Speaker 6: Where's the best place to go?
Speaker 3: Yeah, I would say probably Instagram, Facebook, TikTok, all those
Speaker 3: places I post every day. Yeah, my name's the Cammi
Speaker 3: Knicks t A G C, A, M I N y X.
Speaker 3: And then I also have a website, the Kammiinicks dot com. Yes,
Speaker 3: and yeah, I post everything kind of all over those places,
Speaker 3: just what I'm doing and where I'm playing and what's
Speaker 3: coming out and yeah.
Speaker 6: Very good, very good. Yeah. I encourage everyone to follow
Speaker 6: you keep track of what you're doing as you're releasing
Speaker 6: new music. And I was thinking, so we'll let you
Speaker 6: go in a moment, Cammy, but I was thinking about
Speaker 6: ending the segment. You know, we played Reedy to open up.
Speaker 6: I was thinking about ending with this track good Things,
Speaker 6: which is also very catchy. I really like this a lot.
Speaker 6: Thank you. Yeah, absolutely so. I was thinking, well, we'll
Speaker 6: close out the segment with this. But yeah, thank you
Speaker 6: so much for joining us today. Are you in Nashville
Speaker 6: right now? Is that where you're joining us from?
Speaker 3: Yes, I'm calling in from Nashville. I'll be here for
Speaker 3: I think two more weeks and then I have a
Speaker 3: show the third week of July back in Ohio, so
Speaker 3: I'll be heading out there. Yeah, and then back back
Speaker 3: to it.
Speaker 6: Oh. Very cool, very cool. All right, well, Cammy, I
Speaker 6: appreciate you joining us today. We'll let you go. I'm
Speaker 6: gonna hit this track good Things, but uh, Cammy Knicks,
Speaker 6: thank you.
Speaker 3: So much, Thank you so much.
Speaker 6: You got it. We'll talk to you soon. Bye bye bye.
Speaker 6: All right, very good. That was Cammy Knicks. And uh,
Speaker 6: if you're wondering how to spell her last name, it's
Speaker 6: n y X. And let's give this a spin. This
Speaker 6: is called good Things, another great track from Cammy Knicks.
Speaker 9: How do I put it? Tried but I couldn't once
Speaker 9: was the answer. Oh he's a stranger.
Speaker 1: Love with a net go.
Speaker 3: Loved with my eyes closed, kiss like aod.
Speaker 2: Devil herd, temperamental.
Speaker 3: Like my heart should have loved him from the start.
Speaker 1: Is it true? All good things for love? Pard? Is
Speaker 1: it good? Or is it bad?
Speaker 5: House never gave inside rama, Art.
Speaker 4: Made it look easy that you never thought that happy
Speaker 4: smile and riving turn fine Ryan never.
Speaker 1: Crossed my mind.
Speaker 5: Always said that I loved Blue, but jealous looks good
Speaker 5: on you.
Speaker 3: That's face.
Speaker 1: It's funny.
Speaker 3: Fools would have judged me.
Speaker 9: Artie was honest, the boy was I'm modest art it
Speaker 9: was true love?
Speaker 1: What the hell's true love?
Speaker 4: A boy full of secrets, never said I would keep them?
Speaker 5: It's pregnant. So the funding from the start, no one
Speaker 5: know those good things?
Speaker 1: Is that good? Isn't that I must get it? How bad?
Speaker 3: Benny's look easy?
Speaker 10: That you know?
Speaker 1: But it spilence trying to do it? Pray across my
Speaker 1: fine all they said that all the blue.
Speaker 10: Jay, let's get on you, Jo.
Speaker 1: Don't stuck the shock you bad now seems so calm.
Speaker 5: Blue pot cross good tver even links.
Speaker 1: Is it good? Or is it that you I ever had?
Speaker 1: Don't know who I even know only go.
Speaker 9: So don man, I'm kidding?
Speaker 1: Is that good?
Speaker 3: Is it?
Speaker 1: That I must not burying inside? Don't Bama by the easy.
Speaker 5: That's because having start, I'm trying to do him lie
Speaker 5: across a line, always standing on off you shall let
Speaker 5: me go on you.
Speaker 6: I like that bass note at the end there that
Speaker 6: is Cammy Nicks. That track is called good Things. And
Speaker 6: earlier we played Greedy, her newest single, and then we
Speaker 6: talked with Cammy joining us from Nashville. That was very cool.
Speaker 6: So look forward to keeping up with everything that she's doing.
Speaker 6: Souvenirs coming out August first, and we might get to
Speaker 6: give that a world radio premiere. You know we like
Speaker 6: those absolutely, I do absolutely. If so, welcome everybody, of
Speaker 6: course if you are joining us alive on Saturday morning.
Speaker 6: It is July fifth, twenty twenty five. Matt Condorton Unleashed,
Speaker 6: and I think we should talk about this an interesting
Speaker 6: story that took me by surprise. So there's Lord who's
Speaker 6: she's been around for a while. I think, right, yes,
Speaker 6: she's got a new CD. And this is from the
Speaker 6: Verge dot com. So you know, some times, when releasing
Speaker 6: physical media, people like to come up with cool gimmicks,
Speaker 6: you know, like back in the days of when vinyl
Speaker 6: was was well. Of course, vinyl has had such a
Speaker 6: resurgence over the past decade, but you know, sometimes with Vinyl,
Speaker 6: people tried to do cool stuff, release limited edition vinyl.
Speaker 6: I remember, I still recall when Dan of Dan Randall
Speaker 6: and the Randlettes some people will know, when he showed
Speaker 6: me he had bought the the Kiss single for Unholy
Speaker 6: that came out in ninety two, and it was they
Speaker 6: put it out on limited edition white vinyl. It was
Speaker 6: so cool.
Speaker 11: Anyway, my favorite was a Stix album that I think
Speaker 11: it was Paradise Theater that actually had the theater in
Speaker 11: the album like the visual. Yeah, you had to hold
Speaker 11: the album a certain way to see the Yeah, to
Speaker 11: see it. But yeah, I mean I always love stuff
Speaker 11: like that.
Speaker 6: Yeah, pick picture discs they call him, yeah, and those
Speaker 6: are cool. And you know, some artists have tried to
Speaker 6: do things unique and innovative with CDs as well, not
Speaker 6: just vinyl. And Lord's new CD is transparent. You can
Speaker 6: see through it. And if you don't know what I'm
Speaker 6: talking about, you know, you can always go go find
Speaker 6: a picture of it online. It's interesting, it's completely clear.
Speaker 6: You can see right through it. What a cool idea, right, Yeah? Actually,
Speaker 6: well there's only one problem, and this is from the
Speaker 6: Verge dot com. Lord's new CD is so transparent that
Speaker 6: stereos can't even read it. Oh god, that's so terrible.
Speaker 6: And there's only one version and it doesn't work on
Speaker 6: most players. So this is from the Verge. It says
Speaker 6: Lord fans are clearly struggling to play the CD version
Speaker 6: of her new album. Consumers who purchased the special edition
Speaker 6: of Virgin, released on a transparent plastic disc are reporting
Speaker 6: on Reddit and TikTok that many CD players car serios
Speaker 6: and other sound systems they tried to play it on
Speaker 6: or unable to play it. The transparen CD promoted it
Speaker 6: as being fully recyclable, is currently sold out on Lord's
Speaker 6: web store and was the only disc variant available for
Speaker 6: the Virgin album. So, in other words, if you don't
Speaker 6: want the clear CD, if you want something you can
Speaker 6: actually play, you can't even get it. Nope. So that
Speaker 6: may have come as a that may have been a
Speaker 6: welcome compromise for fans, given the singer opted to forego
Speaker 6: a CD release entirely for her twenty twenty one album
Speaker 6: solar power over waste and environmental concerns, but little comfort
Speaker 6: to customers who can't purchase alternative options. One Reddit user said, quote,
Speaker 6: very cool looking and I'm not going to return it,
Speaker 6: but doesn't work in three of my top players. PC
Speaker 6: was able to rip, but the files are not great.
Speaker 6: There's distortion and clipping. User unquote. User reports indicate that
Speaker 6: older hardware is less likely to work with the CDD
Speaker 6: than devices with newer sensors, So you know, we should
Speaker 6: just stress that so people know. It's not that it
Speaker 6: doesn't play at all. You just have to have a new,
Speaker 6: a very new CD player apparently that is able to
Speaker 6: actually read the data on it, because as one person
Speaker 6: pointed out, and this isn't from the article I saw
Speaker 6: this on. Uh, I saw this on another post. Somebody said, Hey,
Speaker 6: you know it's completely clearer. There's no silver coding, but
Speaker 6: isn't the silver where the data is stored. God, that's true. Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 6: that's true. So apparently it's so so if you have
Speaker 6: a newer CD player you can play it, but older
Speaker 6: ones car serios won't play it. Uh, it's it's you're
Speaker 6: just sol it says here. One TikTok user demonstrated that
Speaker 6: her car CD player was an unable to recognize the
Speaker 6: disc and said that forcing the CD inside resulted in
Speaker 6: automatic ejection, mirroring similar reports made and Reddit comments. Uh
Speaker 6: this redditor said, quote, whoever decided to design this as
Speaker 6: an idiot? Cars can't read the CD. Walkman's can't read
Speaker 6: the CD. You need to create CDs that are fit
Speaker 6: for purpose of for the medium in which they are
Speaker 6: played on, which is older technology. Unquote.
Speaker 11: No, you should update your technology, but that's your it's
Speaker 11: your fault.
Speaker 6: You didn't update your technology. Right here the greatness of
Speaker 6: the desk. If you're a true Lord fan, you know
Speaker 6: this reminds me of a There's a podcaster who we
Speaker 6: know who always complains about people not listening to his
Speaker 6: podcast on good quality equipment and expects everyone to upgrade
Speaker 6: their equipment when they listened to his amazing must spend Yeah, yes,
Speaker 6: how he how he knows how people are consuming this content?
Speaker 11: I have no idea, But what I don't get is
Speaker 11: like didn't they test it out on They must have
Speaker 11: like only played it on the very best.
Speaker 6: That must that must be what happened.
Speaker 11: Yeah, nobody bothered to go, hey, let me go see
Speaker 11: if this will work in my car.
Speaker 6: That that's probably what happened, it says here. Lord has
Speaker 6: yet to address any of the issues raised about the
Speaker 6: transparent Virgin CD. The official came uh. The official cause
Speaker 6: of the playability issues also has not been confirmed. It's
Speaker 6: certainly striking. It's certainly a striking disc. CDs with even
Speaker 6: partially clear designs are uncommon uh and can be a
Speaker 6: hit with collectors, but the lack of functionality in this
Speaker 6: example has been a bitter experience for some Lord fans.
Speaker 11: Yeah I can imagine I got a pretty disc.
Speaker 6: Yeah, I can't play it. One TikTok user said, quote,
Speaker 6: seems like they didn't account for this pretty disappointing. I
Speaker 6: know it was for an aesthetic, but at least press
Speaker 6: it on normal CDs too. Unquote. Yeah, that's the other
Speaker 6: weird thing. It's like, why wouldn't you also put out
Speaker 6: a non clear addition because they thought that it was
Speaker 6: going to play and everything. Well, I also wonder if
Speaker 6: they thought that people might.
Speaker 3: This.
Speaker 6: Wow, there's a picture here in this article two of
Speaker 6: the disc of someone holding up the disc and yeah
Speaker 6: it's very clear. Yeah, I'd be pretty skeptical. Like if
Speaker 6: someone handed that to me and said, here, play this,
Speaker 6: I'd be like, uh, what is this? Is this actually
Speaker 6: a CD? What are you giving me here? Yeah?
Speaker 11: It looks kind of it doesn't You're right, it doesn't
Speaker 11: look like any disc that you've seen before. Yeah, but
Speaker 11: it's cute and it's quirky, and if it had played
Speaker 11: on everything, it would have been great.
Speaker 6: And that's probably why they didn't print regular ones.
Speaker 11: But then maybe they should go back and do that
Speaker 11: now and like offer people, you know, hey, you bought
Speaker 11: this disc, it's great, but here's one you can actually
Speaker 11: listen to, right, Like that would be great to do
Speaker 11: for fans, Yeah, that would make it better. Yeah, But
Speaker 11: to spend the money to buy the thing and you
Speaker 11: can't play the music, that's It's not just about aesthetics.
Speaker 6: I mean, you want to hear what's on it. Unless
Speaker 6: they also made the calculation, it's possible that someone made
Speaker 6: the calculation that people weren't going to buy this discs
Speaker 6: to play it, but people are going to buy this
Speaker 6: disc just to have it. I think that's silly. Well,
Speaker 6: here's the thing. The only reason I think someone might
Speaker 6: have thought that is because you know, my theory about vinyl.
Speaker 6: I've said it all the time that when artists release
Speaker 6: new vinyl, you know, because some of the guests that
Speaker 6: we've had on the show, for example, they'll they'll do vinyl,
Speaker 6: And I always say that My theory is most people
Speaker 6: who buy new vinyl don't even have a record player.
Speaker 6: They just buy it because they want to have it. Like,
Speaker 6: they never even necessarily open it. They just want to
Speaker 6: really support that artist, so they'll buy it just to
Speaker 6: you know, maybe put the artwork on the wall or something,
Speaker 6: or just just to have it because they want to
Speaker 6: support that artist, not because they actually have a record
Speaker 6: player at home that they're going to play it on,
Speaker 6: you know what I mean. I do know what you mean.
Speaker 11: But I honestly think in this instance, it's just not
Speaker 11: the equivalency.
Speaker 6: Yeah, No, I'm just I'm just wondering if someone maybe
Speaker 6: had that theory though, Like, maybe somebody had a theory
Speaker 6: to my theory about vinylin the I thought it would have.
Speaker 11: If that was the theory, why would you print only
Speaker 11: discs that you can't listen to?
Speaker 6: Yeah, that doesn't make any sense. Yeah, Yeah, So it's
Speaker 6: pretty strange, and apparently it's not being addressed. I guess
Speaker 6: it just came out because this story just broke a
Speaker 6: couple of days ago.
Speaker 11: I'm sure that she anticipated that the disc was going
Speaker 11: to work, you know, I highly doubt that it was
Speaker 11: sold to her as Hey, we want to print millions.
Speaker 6: Of your desk, but we don't want them to be able.
Speaker 11: To necessarily play unless you got expensive equipment.
Speaker 6: Yeah, yeah, unless you have new equipment. It done work.
Speaker 6: That's right, that's right, and that done not good? So well,
Speaker 6: hopefully everyone learns something from this.
Speaker 11: Yes, do not make it clear unless they find a
Speaker 11: better material to use to make them on that can
Speaker 11: actually be read.
Speaker 6: They kind of need the silver part. Yeah like that.
Speaker 6: One person wrote, absolutely, so another thing that happened recently.
Speaker 6: Oh and this this will probably be a surprise to
Speaker 6: you because we didn't discuss this, but this popped into
Speaker 6: my head. I wanted to say something about this. So
Speaker 6: long time listeners of the show, and of course people
Speaker 6: who know me personally know that Kiss is my favorite
Speaker 6: band of all time. You knew that, right? I think
Speaker 6: Kiss is mile time. Why there's Kiss all over your office?
Speaker 6: That might be yes, Kiss ornament hanging off your light?
Speaker 6: Kiss is my favorite band. Kiss Paul Stanley said something
Speaker 6: recently though that I found rather shocking really, and I
Speaker 6: just I just wanted to address it for the for
Speaker 6: the you know, a lot of guests that we've had
Speaker 6: on the show too, or like Kiss, so you know,
Speaker 6: this subject comes up. But as Paul Stanley said something
Speaker 6: that really surprised me, I was quite taken aback. He
Speaker 6: said in an interview, because he's doing a lot of
Speaker 6: interviews these days, he and Jine Someone's both are now
Speaker 6: that Kiss is you know, they're not touring anymore. They
Speaker 6: did their the End of the Road tour, they're doing
Speaker 6: the Hologram tour. They're still doing some stuff that's coming later.
Speaker 6: They are doing a thing and they're doing a big
Speaker 6: event in Las Vegas where they're going to play. So
Speaker 6: they're you know, they're still active, but they're not going
Speaker 6: to play. They're going to have No that's something that's
Speaker 6: something else that's coming later. No, Kiss actually is playing there. Yeah,
Speaker 6: so they're they're still going to do some things here
Speaker 6: and there, but but just not like a full tour.
Speaker 6: That was the last actual getting on the road, going
Speaker 6: on tour. They're in their seventies now. Oh yeah, Paul
Speaker 6: Stanley said in a recent interview that he feels in hindsight,
Speaker 6: because he's doing all these interviews talking about, you know,
Speaker 6: looking back on Kiss, he feels that, in hindsight, it
Speaker 6: was a mistake in nineteen eighty three when they took
Speaker 6: the makeup off, because those those four characters that they
Speaker 6: had created are so iconic and and uh and and
Speaker 6: you know, he didn't think that. He didn't think that
Speaker 6: anything that they did could could ever live up to that,
Speaker 6: And so on hindsight he feels that that that might
Speaker 6: have been a mistake. What do you think, Well, I
Speaker 6: was shocked that he said that, because because it was
Speaker 6: a complete one eighty from everything he's ever said on
Speaker 6: the subject, because everything else any other time, in any
Speaker 6: interview or even in his book. He talks about it.
Speaker 6: In his book, he talks about it a lot. The
Speaker 6: decision to do that, the reason they did it at
Speaker 6: the time was because, you know, the makeup on a
Speaker 6: business level had run its course. It had seemed Kiss
Speaker 6: had gone from being one of the biggest bands in
Speaker 6: the world to having a couple tough years where in
Speaker 6: the United States, you know, they had really kind of
Speaker 6: fallen down and they needed to change. It was time
Speaker 6: for a drastic change in the band. And so it's
Speaker 6: like Paul the way Paul talks about it in his book.
Speaker 6: For example, in his autobiography, he talks about the conversations
Speaker 6: he had about it with Gene because he had to
Speaker 6: talk Gene into it. It was Paul's idea, oh, and
Speaker 6: he had to know that, and he had to talk
Speaker 6: Gene into it. And he said to Gene, he said,
Speaker 6: we have nowhere else to go. We have to do this.
Speaker 6: Because both when they took the makeup off and three
Speaker 6: and when they put it back on in ninety six
Speaker 6: for the reunion tour with the original lineup, in both instances,
Speaker 6: Paul had to talk Gene into it. In both In
Speaker 6: both to put the makeup back on. To put the
Speaker 6: makeup back on, he had to talk Gene into it too.
Speaker 6: Both times he had to talk Gene into it. It
Speaker 6: was it was Paul who really wanted to do it,
Speaker 6: and you know, and obviously he did talk Gene into it.
Speaker 6: And the thing is, so Paul felt they couldn't continue
Speaker 6: on at that point in eighty three with the makeup.
Speaker 6: They had to make this change. And Paul was like,
Speaker 6: you know, not only will not only will it kind
Speaker 6: of refresh the band, it's sort of you know, it'll
Speaker 6: it'll also proved to everybody, you know, the haters, the doubters,
Speaker 6: the critics, you know, that that were more than just
Speaker 6: the makeup and the flash and all that, and that
Speaker 6: were there were real band of course, of course, so
Speaker 6: they took the biggest scambal of their career. They actually
Speaker 6: they because they were rolling the dice. It was a
Speaker 6: scary time for the band, and and Paul talked about
Speaker 6: that a lot in his book too. It was a
Speaker 6: scary time because this was a big risk, a big gamble,
Speaker 6: you know, and they did the unmasking on MTV and whatnot.
Speaker 6: Turn turned out, And this is part of why it's
Speaker 6: so shocking to me that Paul said this recently turned
Speaker 6: out it was the right call because it did it.
Speaker 6: It brought them back, you know, they they'd had a
Speaker 6: couple of tough years, but they take the makeup off
Speaker 6: and that first single, no Makeup, lick it up ended
Speaker 6: up being a big hit, and they're back, you know,
Speaker 6: they're on MTV now and the songs on the radio
Speaker 6: and Lick It Up goes platinum, and you know, so
Speaker 6: it really brought them back. Now, granted, during that non
Speaker 6: makeup era of the band, they were never as big
Speaker 6: as they were during that original makeup era where they
Speaker 6: were one of the biggest bands in the world. Yeah,
Speaker 6: but they were still doing really well. That was a
Speaker 6: successful period that all those albums went platinum. You know,
Speaker 6: they were still able to do the arena tours, the
Speaker 6: big arena tours. They they didn't have to scale down
Speaker 6: and play clubs or anything like that. So this is
Speaker 6: a pretty successful period and so but they had to
Speaker 6: do it, like they had to take that risk.
Speaker 11: Did he qualify his statement as to why he thinks
Speaker 11: it's a mistake.
Speaker 6: Now, He just said he said that, you know, looking
Speaker 6: back on it, he thinks that, you know, they should
Speaker 6: have maybe it would have been smarter to stick with
Speaker 6: that iconic image that they had created and not tamper
Speaker 6: with that. But he's never said that before. And I
Speaker 6: was just so shocked because he's always maintained up until
Speaker 6: recently that it was the right decision because that's what
Speaker 6: they had to do to save the band, and it worked,
Speaker 6: It did save the band, and so it's so I
Speaker 6: was so shocked when I saw that when he says,
Speaker 6: you know, in hindsight, I think it was a mistake.
Speaker 6: It was like really interesting, very shocked.
Speaker 11: Did you get older you change your perspectives on how
Speaker 11: you see things? I mean, yeah, I can look back
Speaker 11: on my youth and go, oh god, you are so ignorant.
Speaker 6: But there's no window. But yeah, we all make decisions.
Speaker 11: But it's you know, it is interesting because I mean,
Speaker 11: like you said, it kept them, It kept them viable,
Speaker 11: it kept them making money.
Speaker 6: Yeah, it gave them a whole new downsize already, like yeah,
Speaker 6: it gave them a whole new you know, I gave
Speaker 6: them a big boost, you know. Yeah, so that is interesting. Yeah. Yeah.
Speaker 6: And then and also too, if they had if they
Speaker 6: had never taken the makeup off the reunion in ninety six,
Speaker 6: when they put the original lineup back together and put
Speaker 6: the makeup back on, that wouldn't have meant nearly as much.
Speaker 6: You know, Yes, I agree, So I agree.
Speaker 11: It would have been like yeah, whatever, okay, well no,
Speaker 11: I mean it would have been the original lineup, so
Speaker 11: there's definitely something to say there.
Speaker 6: It still would have been a little bit.
Speaker 11: It wouldn't have been as dramatic putting the makeup back
Speaker 11: on right, right, except for what a decade?
Speaker 6: Yeah, take thirteen years. Yeah yeah, the non makeup era
Speaker 6: lasted thirteen years.
Speaker 11: Did you like the music better during that era or
Speaker 11: what's your favorite era of Kiss?
Speaker 6: I love every era of Kiss, but my favorite era
Speaker 6: is late makeup era, like you know, the first half
Speaker 6: of the nineties, when they were still out of makeup.
Speaker 6: That was my favorite era of Kiss. But see, I
Speaker 6: mean part of my perspective is when I became a
Speaker 6: Kiss fan, they were already out of the makeup for
Speaker 6: a couple of years. It was actually Tears Are Falling?
Speaker 11: Well, you were after the makeup? Yeah, yeah, I guess
Speaker 11: I kind of assumed you were in it from the beginning. No, no, no,
Speaker 11: you were a late bloomer.
Speaker 6: Well, yeah, when I really got into Kiss, it was
Speaker 6: the video for Tears Are Falling was on MTV. It
Speaker 6: was on in heavy rotation actually, and I still remember
Speaker 6: I was watching MTV one day after school and the
Speaker 6: video for Teers Are Falling is on, and my dad
Speaker 6: comes home from work and he kind of pokes his
Speaker 6: head into the living room and says, Maddie, who is
Speaker 6: that is that Kiss? And I said yeah, he said,
Speaker 6: I really liked this song, and I said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 6: me too, It's like my favorite song right now. And
Speaker 6: I guess he kind of made a mental note of
Speaker 6: that because then he got me that album for Christmas.
Speaker 6: He got me a Kiss Asylum was the album.
Speaker 11: And they Kiss Fan was born, and.
Speaker 6: Yeah, and that was you know, and I listened to
Speaker 6: that over and over and that was when Kiss became
Speaker 6: my favorite band. But yeah, so they were already out
Speaker 6: of the makeup anyway, So but yeah, and then and
Speaker 6: then Paul had to talk Gene into it in ninety
Speaker 6: six when, uh, because they did the MTV Unplugged where
Speaker 6: they were able to, you know, the two guys, the
Speaker 6: two original guys who were not in the band at
Speaker 6: that point, Peter Chris and Ace Railey, they were able
Speaker 6: to join in for a few songs. So that that
Speaker 6: kind of that kind of got the ball rolling, you know, well,
Speaker 6: maybe we should put the original lineup back together and
Speaker 6: do a reunion in full makeup. But again Paul had
Speaker 6: to talk Gene into it because Gene wanted to. He
Speaker 6: was skeptical and he was like, no, I like, I
Speaker 6: like the path we're on now, we should just keep
Speaker 6: going with this. And Paul said, now that the fans
Speaker 6: want this, and you know, and he was right. And
Speaker 6: he was right because that ended up being that reunion
Speaker 6: tour that summer in ninety six, Kiss and Metallica. Those
Speaker 6: were the two top selling tours of the summer. That's
Speaker 6: how huge that was. I mean it was massively successful.
Speaker 6: So true they did the right thing in the end. Yes, yes,
Speaker 6: So one other quick thing here. I think I'd sent
Speaker 6: this one to you. This is because we talk about it,
Speaker 6: even came up in our conversation with Cammy Nicks. We
Speaker 6: talked on the show a lot about AI and AI
Speaker 6: and music, and so this relates very directly to that.
Speaker 6: This is from the BBC AI claims and a hoax spokesman.
Speaker 6: Viral band confuses the world of music. So there's this
Speaker 6: viral band. Is this band is AI generated? Check this out.
Speaker 6: So a band called the Velvet Sundown has had its
Speaker 6: tracks played hundreds of thousands of times on Spotify since
Speaker 6: appearing several weeks ago, without anyone knowing for sure what
Speaker 6: it is. The band as a verified page on the
Speaker 6: music streaming platform with more than eight hundred and fifty
Speaker 6: thousand monthly listeners. It's a hit. However, none of the
Speaker 6: four named musicians in the band have given any interviews
Speaker 6: or appear to have individual social media accounts, and there
Speaker 6: are no records of any live performances. It is prompted
Speaker 6: accusations that they and their music are AI generated something
Speaker 6: the band, something the band denies on social media, not
Speaker 6: on camera, and the band did not respond to the
Speaker 6: BBC's request for an interview. This is kind of funny.
Speaker 6: I mean, it's scary, but it's kind of funny at
Speaker 6: the same time. Further confusing the story, Rolling Stone reported
Speaker 6: that the band spokesman had admitted The Velvet Sundown's music
Speaker 6: had been generated using an AI tool called care to
Speaker 6: Guess studio or sono so know the one, the one
Speaker 6: we've used, only for the magazine to st Uh to
Speaker 6: report shortly afterwards that the spokesman was himself a hoax.
Speaker 6: The spokesman was AI too. Yes, oh, I missed that part.
Speaker 6: The band, who goes by the name of Andrew frehlan Uh,
Speaker 6: said it was a deliberate plot to hoax the media.
Speaker 6: A statement on the band Spotify page said that the
Speaker 6: group has quote no affiliation with this individual nor any
Speaker 6: evidence confirming their identity or existence unquote. An account on x,
Speaker 6: which claims to be the band's official channel, is also fake,
Speaker 6: it added Professor Gina Neff from the Mindero or Mindaru
Speaker 6: Center for Technology and Democracy. Let's go with MINDERU because
Speaker 6: that's fun to say at the University of Cambridge says
Speaker 6: it points to a problem which affects much more than
Speaker 6: just one band. She said quote whether this is an
Speaker 6: AI band may not seem important, but increasingly our collective
Speaker 6: grip on reality seems shaky. The Velvet Sundown story plays
Speaker 6: into the fan, into the fears we have of losing
Speaker 6: control of AI, and shows how important protecting online information is.
Speaker 6: The Velvet sundowns indie ballads with guitar music and male
Speaker 6: vocals is fairly easy. If bland on the ear with
Speaker 6: lyrics such as eyes like film in in faded light dreams,
Speaker 6: walk barefoot into the night, ash and velvet smoke and
Speaker 6: flame calling out in Freedom's name, it could all feasibly
Speaker 6: be either AI generated or appenned by humans.
Speaker 11: Uh yeah, do you remember that happened with me recently?
Speaker 6: YAI band? An AI band contacted you that well? Were
Speaker 6: you contact contacted?
Speaker 11: The name is Interferre Yes, and I really liked the
Speaker 11: music yeap, and thought, oh, these guys are great, I'd
Speaker 11: love to have them on. And then I come to
Speaker 11: find out they are the creation of one human who
Speaker 11: created these other humans.
Speaker 6: That are not human.
Speaker 11: They are AI yes, and the whole band is is yeah,
Speaker 11: his musical creation. But in this instance, it's a big
Speaker 11: difference because he said every single lyric has been written
Speaker 11: by him, Yeah, for this particular band Interfury. So I
Speaker 11: don't know about the other person, but I know that
Speaker 11: all the lyrics to this particular music is claimed to
Speaker 11: have been written by the artist.
Speaker 6: Let's see, so they have us. I just looked up
Speaker 6: on YouTube. I want to I want to check out
Speaker 6: the music of the Velvet Sundown. They have a Velvet
Speaker 6: Sundown song called dust on the Wind. Not dust in
Speaker 6: the Wind, that that's Kansas. This is dust on the Wind. Interesting.
Speaker 6: Let's uh, I want to hear that and just see
Speaker 6: what it's like. Uh, here we go. Oh, it's got
Speaker 6: to get through these commercials. It is uh, it is
Speaker 6: monetized content. Let's see dust on the Wind. I say
Speaker 6: that's pretty smart.
Speaker 8: Dust on the wind, boots on the ground, smoking the sky,
Speaker 8: no peace found, rivers run red.
Speaker 1: The drums are also.
Speaker 7: Tell me brother, where do we go? Raise your hand?
Speaker 7: Doll Away sing how Loud may.
Speaker 12: Compaign, March mop Peace. Note for Pride, Let that Flag
Speaker 12: turn with the tide.
Speaker 6: M hm, well it sounds very pro war Let's fly.
Speaker 12: You think it's pro Mama praise while Young Manda.
Speaker 6: Sounds like it. Yeah, it's it sounds like it's we
Speaker 6: We still got time to make a stand. God time
Speaker 6: made stand. It's a it's a lyric video that I'm
Speaker 6: playing it from. That's why. That's why I know the lyrics.
Speaker 12: Look Away singing down Loud may compete.
Speaker 1: Much foppy.
Speaker 12: Note for Pride, Let that Fly Turn with the Chipe.
Speaker 6: I gotta say I love this AI generated voice. It's voice. Yeah,
Speaker 6: that's kind of an issue because all the ones I've
Speaker 6: heard so far, but actually really good.
Speaker 11: So that's that's kind of boo oh yeah, yeah, I
Speaker 11: want to I just want to know what is AI
Speaker 11: and what is human?
Speaker 6: That's what I want to know.
Speaker 11: Yeah, I think there should be a little disclaimer or something, yeah,
Speaker 11: like this is my creation, but.
Speaker 6: The band is magic, the Velvet Sundown. I'm curious if
Speaker 6: I can find anything else of there.
Speaker 11: Here, So you should check out that Interfury one.
Speaker 6: Yeah, no, you showed me that. Yeah yeah, yeah, oh
Speaker 6: yeah I did show it too. Oh. They've got a
Speaker 6: whole album called Dust and Silence, Dust and Silence. Yeah,
Speaker 6: let's see. This was the song though, wasn't it dust?
Speaker 6: Dust on the Wind, on the wind. This one's called
Speaker 6: let It Bird.
Speaker 13: Flicker, Lights on silver sand, marching ghos with no commands,
Speaker 13: velvet boots on mirrod ground, drums of thunder, distance.
Speaker 1: Promises in static blue.
Speaker 6: Yeah. I mean it is a little bland, but all
Speaker 6: right there it is the world radio premiere of The
Speaker 6: Velvet Sundown.
Speaker 1: No, we don't close your eyes and smoke these.
Speaker 6: I'm looking at these song titles. I do too. I'm
Speaker 6: looking at these song titles and this titles like Driftwood Soldiers,
Speaker 6: where War Remains? Oh yeah, this is all there seems
Speaker 6: to be a theme war debt yeh Crimson Parade. Oh
Speaker 6: isn't that a pretty image? Mm hmm. Yeah. There's a
Speaker 6: lot of stuff in the lyrics about waving flags and
Speaker 6: maybe the person making people pay.
Speaker 11: The person created maybe be a veteran. Maybe you like,
Speaker 11: do we know anything about the creator?
Speaker 6: No, we don't know anything about just that they're not
Speaker 6: real and there.
Speaker 11: And their contact isn't real either, right, spokesperson.
Speaker 6: The spokesperson was not real. There's an AI generated picture
Speaker 6: of them of the band. They saw that when I
Speaker 6: was looking at it. They look like, uh, but the
Speaker 6: one yes, but you can tell like at least.
Speaker 11: The one on the right hand side looked like he
Speaker 11: was AI.
Speaker 6: Yeah, they kind of. They doesn't look like he's not
Speaker 6: a They kind of look fake. Yeah. Yeah, Well yeah,
Speaker 6: that's where we are.
Speaker 2: Now.
Speaker 6: There you go, there you go. All right, well we'll
Speaker 6: begin to wrap up. We're almost out of time. Oh
Speaker 6: my goodness. Yes, I hope everyone had a safe Fourth
Speaker 6: of July.
Speaker 11: Absolutely, I hope you're stuff with hamburgers.
Speaker 6: And hot dogs. Oh and there is a new Tough
Speaker 6: Bumps up, Eric and I did it yesterday. Tough Bumps
Speaker 6: Episode ten is up. You can find that online. And Jenny,
Speaker 6: you want to You're always up to a lot of
Speaker 6: stuff you want to mention your website.
Speaker 11: Hi, you can always check me out at Jencoffee dot com.
Speaker 11: J E N N C O F f UI dot com.
Speaker 11: And I was told yesterday I have some things coming up,
Speaker 11: so stay tuned.
Speaker 6: Very good, very good. And if you want to know
Speaker 6: more about me and everything I'm up to Matt Connerton
Speaker 6: dot com and thank you again of course everyone who
Speaker 6: joined us today, Cammy Nix. And in the second hour
Speaker 6: we had a congregation x They sounded amazing. And in
Speaker 6: the first hour we had Shanna Trehan, author of The
Speaker 6: Anxiety Fix. That was a very interesting conversation. And if
Speaker 6: you miss any part of today's show it we'll be
Speaker 6: up in just a little bit at WMNH Radio dot
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Speaker 6: And I also want to mention before I play the
Speaker 6: show's outro music that all the new music that you
Speaker 6: hear on the show, the bumper music, the new theme music,
Speaker 6: everything that is our friend Dylan Reynolds from Adam Bomb. Wait.
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Speaker 6: for anyone who's interested. Oh yeah, Dylan does great work. Yeah,
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Speaker 6: We love our friend Dylan Reynolds. So with that we
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