Matt Connarton Unleashed 8-17-25

0:00 Speaker 1: This is sweetos as you as you, as as you as.

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0:13 Speaker 3: Yes, Hey, everybody, welcome to Matt Connerton Unleashed af Yes,

0:18 Speaker 3: the online only version that is truly unfiltered, uncensored and unleashed.

0:23 Speaker 3: And we are here. It is a Sunday, August seventeen,

0:27 Speaker 3: twenty twenty five. Jenny is with me, of course, Hello, Getings.

0:32 Speaker 3: You are not at the news table, that's for the right.

0:34 Speaker 2: I'm not at the news table. I am at my cable.

0:35 Speaker 3: You're at your Tata space. That's right, that's right. So

0:39 Speaker 3: welcome everybody. A couple of things we want to talk

0:41 Speaker 3: about while there's there's a big subject that we're going

0:45 Speaker 3: to get into in a few minutes. But we also

0:47 Speaker 3: for those who do not know Jenny, you have this

0:52 Speaker 3: article that has been published on Common Dreams.

0:55 Speaker 2: Yes, my first byline on Common Dreams. So I'm very

1:00 Speaker 2: excited about that. Unfortunately, it was a topic that I

1:06 Speaker 2: didn't ever expect I was gonna have to deal with

1:09 Speaker 2: face to face. I think we've are you there, oh, yes.

1:15 Speaker 3: There a.

1:17 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, these this is something I never thought in

1:21 Speaker 2: my honestly, I never thought that I would ever be

1:23 Speaker 2: face to face with Nazis. Like this doing the whole

1:28 Speaker 2: salute and everything. But yeah, that happened right here in Concord,

1:33 Speaker 2: New Hampshire, and they were the you know, they came

1:36 Speaker 2: to intimidate us. We had planned a protest. I volunteered

1:43 Speaker 2: to help out. I was not one of the the

1:46 Speaker 2: main organizers. That organizing group was actually fifty to fifty one,

1:51 Speaker 2: the local New Hampshire group here, and they had planned

1:55 Speaker 2: this protest, got permit the whole nine yards. So we

1:58 Speaker 2: showed up to h when we were supposed to do,

2:02 Speaker 2: and we were starting to set things up for the

2:05 Speaker 2: rally that was supposed to happen like in about an

2:08 Speaker 2: hour or so after we've gotten there, and no sooner

2:11 Speaker 2: did we show up and start unloading the trucks at

2:14 Speaker 2: trucks cars did not. These guys march in in their

2:19 Speaker 2: red shirts, which on the back I apparently says, uh,

2:25 Speaker 2: forgive me blood tribe black pants, red shirts, all of

2:29 Speaker 2: their faces completely covered. Can't see them except for the

2:35 Speaker 2: founder guy. He's the only one that didn't have his

2:37 Speaker 2: face covered. And that's the bald guy sitting there with

2:40 Speaker 2: the tattoos going down his face. And they started yelling

2:46 Speaker 2: hate with a megaphone it said something like, you know,

2:51 Speaker 2: the only thing good about your hair, you know, Hampshires,

2:53 Speaker 2: white people, it's the only thing good. And they were

2:55 Speaker 2: saying this nasty, nasty stuff, and we, you know, it

3:00 Speaker 2: was like, we didn't engage them, but obviously we're not

3:05 Speaker 2: going to have this going on. So one of the

3:07 Speaker 2: organizers actually got the idea. She pulled her phone out

3:10 Speaker 2: and she started playing there's a song about killing Nazis.

3:14 Speaker 2: So she played that. She played they not like Us

3:18 Speaker 2: and uh, that was fun to sing along too, yeah,

3:22 Speaker 2: and uh then she played, uh, I got to do

3:24 Speaker 2: that once before in DC. They played that and we

3:27 Speaker 2: were like pointing at them, you're not like us, which

3:29 Speaker 2: we did to these guys, you're not like us. We

3:31 Speaker 2: were not afraid of them and their job. They're basically there.

3:36 Speaker 2: They're trying to intimidate us, and they're also trying to recruit.

3:40 Speaker 2: You know, they are on a you know, they want

3:41 Speaker 2: more people in their ranks, more white men in their rates. Specifically,

3:49 Speaker 2: they had the whole Nazi flag. And then she also

3:52 Speaker 2: played Martin Luther King. So she put her phone in

3:55 Speaker 2: front of a megaphone and then I had my own amplifier,

3:59 Speaker 2: so I put that in in front of the megaphone

4:01 Speaker 2: so we can amplify it even more, and it made

4:04 Speaker 2: it very loud and kind of distorted and just literally

4:07 Speaker 2: drowned them out. Whatever the dude was saying in the

4:10 Speaker 2: megaphone wasn't getting very far because nobody could hear them.

4:13 Speaker 2: We were literally drowning them out, which was excellent. You know,

4:18 Speaker 2: not engaging is important because that's what they want. They

4:23 Speaker 2: want you to engage. They want to incite something. So

4:28 Speaker 2: you can't fall prey to that, no matter how angry

4:31 Speaker 2: they make you, no matter what horrendous things they say

4:34 Speaker 2: about our fellow human beings. You know, you can't go there.

4:39 Speaker 2: You just can't. So when they weren't getting obviously heard,

4:44 Speaker 2: they decided to line up. Because they weren't there for

4:47 Speaker 2: very long, mind you, I'm serious, We really drowned them out,

4:51 Speaker 2: and so they formed a line so they were two

4:53 Speaker 2: by two and then they started a military march out

4:58 Speaker 2: of the state capitol, down the path under the arches

5:01 Speaker 2: out onto the main street, chanting saying hateful things, trying

5:06 Speaker 2: to be like all military ask Although it was funny

5:09 Speaker 2: because when they first started trying to do their little

5:11 Speaker 2: military ask moves. One of them went in the completely

5:14 Speaker 2: opposite direction, which was rather amusing. So they lined up

5:19 Speaker 2: to pay two and they're trying to you know, they're

5:21 Speaker 2: shouting their hate, and they're photographers, like trying to photographer,

5:25 Speaker 2: you know, camera us, as if that's going to be

5:28 Speaker 2: something intimidating. And I just pushed my camera right into

5:32 Speaker 2: his face as he was pushing it into mind, not

5:35 Speaker 2: like literally, we weren't literally like we kind of stepped forward.

5:38 Speaker 4: He stepped towards me, I stepped towards him, and then

5:41 Speaker 4: he walked off, but.

5:45 Speaker 2: People were yelling at him, telling them to get out.

5:47 Speaker 2: None of these people are from here, by the way.

5:49 Speaker 2: They're not from New Hampshire. They came from other places.

5:53 Speaker 2: They literally marched there and did their hateful yelling and

5:57 Speaker 2: crap all the way down Main Street or a few

6:00 Speaker 2: blocks to where they had parked a U haul. But

6:05 Speaker 2: when they got about almost to where the U haul was,

6:08 Speaker 2: there was an altercation with a person who does live here.

6:13 Speaker 2: And I saw a video that showed four of them

6:17 Speaker 2: around this one man, and one of them punched that

6:21 Speaker 2: man in his back like four times. Another one of

6:25 Speaker 2: them pepper sprayed this man and then they ran to

6:29 Speaker 2: their little U haul and jumped in the back of it,

6:33 Speaker 2: please were there, and drove off.

6:37 Speaker 4: Not about you, but I'm.

6:42 Speaker 2: A little flabbertasted that the police let these people climb

6:47 Speaker 2: into a U haul and drive off because I got

6:51 Speaker 2: I don't know, call me crazy, but I think if

6:54 Speaker 2: maybe they were a different group, or maybe if their

6:58 Speaker 2: tone was different, the cops would have been like, ah, no,

7:01 Speaker 2: you don't get to drive off with human beings in

7:03 Speaker 2: the back of you all. That's illegal. But apparently in

7:06 Speaker 2: this instance, no, maybe now one now it's possible the

7:11 Speaker 2: cops thinking was, you know what, let's just get them

7:14 Speaker 2: the hell out of here so there's nothing more going on.

7:17 Speaker 2: Better to get them out of a situation. Maybe that

7:20 Speaker 2: was the case. However, there was an assault and I

7:25 Speaker 2: want to know why that why they haven't been accountable

7:28 Speaker 2: for that. My understanding is that it is under investigation.

7:32 Speaker 2: I don't know enough more. I don't know enough to

7:35 Speaker 2: say anything more about the legal aspect of it. But

7:39 Speaker 2: as you know, as a citizen in New Hampshire, I

7:42 Speaker 2: serve two terms in that house and New Hampshire State

7:45 Speaker 2: House is the oldest state house in the country that

7:48 Speaker 2: still operates in its original chambers, like our House and

7:53 Speaker 2: Senate still meet in the same exact place they did

7:57 Speaker 2: when the building was built, when the country before or

8:00 Speaker 2: the country was even a country really in a sense,

8:02 Speaker 2: you know when and there's a huge history with France

8:05 Speaker 2: and everything's there's really a rich, rich history in New

8:10 Speaker 2: Hampshire when it comes to that stuff. And one of

8:14 Speaker 2: the things about New Hampshire is that we pride ourselves

8:18 Speaker 2: on being a place that everybody has the right to

8:23 Speaker 2: be heard. You'll hear that said in the New Hampshire

8:26 Speaker 2: House if if there's starts to get too loud or

8:29 Speaker 2: something like that, the chair will say the member has

8:31 Speaker 2: a right to be heard, so to the people, and

8:33 Speaker 2: the people have a right to be heard. These guys

8:36 Speaker 2: have a right to free speech. They expressed it. We

8:40 Speaker 2: didn't inhibit that. We have the right of free speech

8:45 Speaker 2: to drown out hate. And that is how we chose

8:48 Speaker 2: to deal with it, and I think it was a

8:49 Speaker 2: very appropriate way and I absolutely commend everybody. That was

8:55 Speaker 2: an excellent, excellent event. In the end, we had a

8:58 Speaker 2: wonderful protest, had excellent protest. They didn't achieve their goal.

9:04 Speaker 3: We had to mention that picture is a courtesy of

9:08 Speaker 3: Andrew Vorhees. By the way, our friend Andrew Vorhees, yes,

9:11 Speaker 3: who was recently with us on the Hanging Left podcast

9:14 Speaker 3: and on Matt Connerton Unleashed as well on the radio

9:18 Speaker 3: version that we do on Saturdays at w M and

9:20 Speaker 3: H and talking about the picture, and so they used

9:24 Speaker 3: his picture in the article.

9:26 Speaker 2: He is a photo journalist and he he took he

9:30 Speaker 2: took some excellent photographs and I've seen other pieces of

9:32 Speaker 2: his work. Yeah, and he is an excellent photographer. I'm

9:36 Speaker 2: super happy to have met him and now have him

9:39 Speaker 2: among our ranks. You know, young man with a head

9:43 Speaker 2: on his shoulders. It's very good. He's very compassionate and

9:46 Speaker 2: he wants to help make sure that he records what's

9:50 Speaker 2: going on. That nothing is done in the dark. And

9:53 Speaker 2: that's another big thing about New Hampshire. You know, politics

9:57 Speaker 2: shouldn't be in the dark. We're the only I don't

9:59 Speaker 2: I don't know we're the only state, but I know

10:01 Speaker 2: we're rare in the sense that any bill that's introduced

10:05 Speaker 2: in the State of New Hampshire will go all the

10:06 Speaker 2: way through the process and will get a vote by

10:08 Speaker 2: the entire body. There's no such thing as a pocket veto.

10:11 Speaker 2: There's no such thing as a committee kill in that regard.

10:15 Speaker 2: Everything goes to the floor for a vote. So New

10:20 Speaker 2: Hampshire has a unique perspective in that way, and I

10:23 Speaker 2: like it and I'm proud of it, and I'm proud

10:25 Speaker 2: to be a part of it, and I'm proud of

10:29 Speaker 2: the way the people of New Hampshire responded to these fools.

10:34 Speaker 2: And they all have their heads covered in these black socks.

10:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, like they.

10:38 Speaker 2: Look like can you look at these guys. They look

10:42 Speaker 2: like they're trying to rob a bank or something like.

10:46 Speaker 2: And they all have matching shades.

10:49 Speaker 3: On because you know, they don't don't want black gloves.

10:55 Speaker 4: Oh, they don't want anybody to know what they really

10:56 Speaker 4: think it work?

10:57 Speaker 2: Why not? I think, I why not? Why Why aren't

11:01 Speaker 2: you proud of your belief? Why do you hide it?

11:05 Speaker 3: Right?

11:06 Speaker 2: That's my question.

11:07 Speaker 3: Well, that feeds into their victimhood though, you know, because

11:11 Speaker 3: you'll you'll often hear people who have their point of view,

11:14 Speaker 3: they'll they'll talk about and even people who don't have

11:16 Speaker 3: their point of view, uh to that extreme talk about this.

11:19 Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of white victimhood. Oh you know,

11:22 Speaker 3: I as a white person. I'm so put upon, poor me.

11:27 Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot of that in concern in

11:29 Speaker 3: modern conservatism and uh you know so, so it feeds

11:34 Speaker 3: into that to them because you know, for them to

11:36 Speaker 3: take it to this extreme, they're the ultimate victims, right,

11:39 Speaker 3: you know, because that's what's really underneath this is is

11:41 Speaker 3: a lot of weak you know, they think they're strong

11:43 Speaker 3: and powerful because they're standing up to they're standing up

11:46 Speaker 3: against diversity and whatever, but but they're actually very weak. Uh.

11:50 Speaker 3: These are the these are the weakest of the week. Uh.

11:54 Speaker 3: These these people who hide their identities and spread hate

11:58 Speaker 3: because it comes from a place of deep, deep insecurity.

12:01 Speaker 3: They feel threatened. They feel threatened living in a world

12:05 Speaker 3: that is not some sort of ethno state where everyone

12:09 Speaker 3: doesn't look and think and act exactly and speak exactly

12:12 Speaker 3: like them. They feel threatened by that. So this is

12:15 Speaker 3: their way of lashing out. And it's and it's just

12:18 Speaker 3: it's weakness at its absolute, its absolute, most pathetic degree.

12:23 Speaker 3: These people are beyond pathetic.

12:25 Speaker 2: But in that same vein Remember, some of these people

12:28 Speaker 2: have money behind them, and those same people are doing

12:31 Speaker 2: things like doing gene editing to have whiter babies, yeah,

12:36 Speaker 2: to have athletic babies. You know, this is these are

12:40 Speaker 2: things that they are backing one hundred percent and that

12:43 Speaker 2: that's something that should concern us. That's something that we

12:46 Speaker 2: should worry about. I believe, you know, I worry about

12:52 Speaker 2: Robert Kennedy being in charge of our nation's healthcare in

12:59 Speaker 2: meta Care, and he wants to put a data and

13:04 Speaker 2: registry together of all artistic Americans. He believes they should

13:08 Speaker 2: all be in a database. Yeah, this is what We're

13:11 Speaker 2: gonna have a database because that's not familiar to you,

13:15 Speaker 2: you know what I mean. The thing I always wonder

13:18 Speaker 2: with these people, and I'd love to know what their

13:21 Speaker 2: answer would be to me when they do their ancestry

13:25 Speaker 2: and that pie chot comes up and you're a mutt

13:29 Speaker 2: because you know, you're a little Scholarsh, a little Welsh,

13:33 Speaker 2: maybe a little Italian. Maybe you're a mutt. You're genetically

13:37 Speaker 2: a mutt because your pie has got plenty of color.

13:40 Speaker 3: The vast majority of people, I believe this firmly, the

13:46 Speaker 3: vast majority of people in the United States who are

13:49 Speaker 3: white are most likely not as white as they think

13:54 Speaker 3: that they are.

13:55 Speaker 2: Correct, And you know, and the thing that from my

13:59 Speaker 2: perspective Ashazi Jew. Now go look at some of the

14:04 Speaker 2: people in my family tree and their pie chart on ancestry.

14:08 Speaker 2: It's one color's one color. So if you want to

14:13 Speaker 2: get down to genetic purity, right, is it the pie

14:18 Speaker 2: chart that's one color, or is it the pie chot

14:21 Speaker 2: that's a little purple, little green, a little blue, little gray,

14:24 Speaker 2: a little this, a little Spanish, a little that, because

14:28 Speaker 2: that's what their pie shots look like.

14:30 Speaker 3: Well, the other thing too, is and nobody really mentions

14:33 Speaker 3: this part, but this is this is another reason why

14:37 Speaker 3: these people are so dumb and they're they're just shoveling

14:40 Speaker 3: shit against the tide. Because obviously you can't stop diversity,

14:44 Speaker 3: what you also cannot stop genetically is you know, sometimes

14:49 Speaker 3: they've even used the phrase, like people like Tucker Carlson

14:52 Speaker 3: and Laura Ingram, for example, have even gone as far

14:54 Speaker 3: as using the phrase the browning of America. Yes, what

14:59 Speaker 3: you can you can't. You can't stop it. But what

15:03 Speaker 3: you also cannot stop is the in a broader sense,

15:07 Speaker 3: the browning of the global population. Here's the thing, and

15:12 Speaker 3: this is what these people don't get. There is an inevitability.

15:16 Speaker 3: This is just a simple fact humanity as a whole

15:21 Speaker 3: over time, you know, and we won't see it. It'll

15:24 Speaker 3: be long after we're gone. But over time, the human

15:27 Speaker 3: race is going to continue to get darker and darker overall.

15:32 Speaker 3: In a broad sense, you can't stop it. The reason

15:35 Speaker 3: being whiteness. Genetically, whiteness is a recessive trait. Light skin

15:40 Speaker 3: is a recessive trait. Dark skin is a dominant trait.

15:45 Speaker 3: So that is why when you have when when two

15:48 Speaker 3: people have a child, typically you know if one of

15:51 Speaker 3: them is white and one of them is black, you

15:53 Speaker 3: know the child is going to have darker skin. So

15:56 Speaker 3: so you know, the white ethno state that these people

16:00 Speaker 3: fantasize about. It's it's never going to happen, not not

16:05 Speaker 3: just because not just because of diversity, but because just genetically,

16:10 Speaker 3: the global population is going to get darker over time.

16:14 Speaker 3: So so again that everything that these people put their

16:18 Speaker 3: energy into is so not only is it harmful and

16:22 Speaker 3: destructive and hateful, it's completely pointless. There's no point to

16:28 Speaker 3: any of it. It's so bizarre.

16:31 Speaker 2: I'm going to completely disagree with you in an aspect

16:35 Speaker 2: that I believe they do know it, they do see it,

16:40 Speaker 2: and that's exactly what they're trying to stop.

16:43 Speaker 3: Well, no, I agree with you, that is what they're

16:45 Speaker 3: trying to stop. But I don't think they but I

16:47 Speaker 3: don't what I'm saying.

16:49 Speaker 2: Either.

16:50 Speaker 3: But but what I'm saying is they're too dumb to

16:53 Speaker 3: realize you cannot possibly, like I said, shoveling shit against

16:58 Speaker 3: the tide, you can't stop the ocean, and you can't stop,

17:02 Speaker 3: you know, the genetic inevitability of what is already happening,

17:06 Speaker 3: what has been happening, and what will continue to happen.

17:09 Speaker 3: They're they're so they're so just consumed with their own hate.

17:14 Speaker 3: They can't think logically and realize not only is what

17:18 Speaker 3: they're doing hateful, but it's but it's also completely pointless,

17:22 Speaker 3: the pointlessness of it. They're oblivious to it, and you know,

17:27 Speaker 3: and and.

17:27 Speaker 2: Well from our perspective, absolutely, but I think that if

17:31 Speaker 2: they would be happy to have a you know, like

17:36 Speaker 2: we'll talk about that. Actually, well, I don't want to

17:39 Speaker 2: get too much into the the weeds on that, because

17:41 Speaker 2: we're going to talk about some of that stuff a

17:43 Speaker 2: little bit later. But now put the fact that this

17:47 Speaker 2: is what's going on and now it's in government. Robert

17:51 Speaker 2: Kennedy was very clear with his beliefs that the COVID

17:56 Speaker 2: nineteen illness was bio engine nerd to kill everybody but

18:03 Speaker 2: Jewish people and the Chinese. So yeah, and then he

18:12 Speaker 2: went further to state that vaccine mandates are worse than

18:19 Speaker 2: an Frank's persecution. I know, and I can give you

18:24 Speaker 2: the citations, well we can, you know, actually the citations

18:26 Speaker 2: are in my article if you want to go look

18:28 Speaker 2: at it. Yeah, on Common Dreams. If you go to

18:30 Speaker 2: Common Dreams, you'll see my article there and you can

18:33 Speaker 2: go to the links and you can see the information

18:35 Speaker 2: to back it up that these facts that I'm telling

18:38 Speaker 2: you are real and true. The video of RFK Junior,

18:42 Speaker 2: he's at a dinner or so, he's sitting at a

18:44 Speaker 2: table with group of people, and he's very clear, very

18:48 Speaker 2: clear in that belief. And these are there people that

18:52 Speaker 2: are now running the country and are in very key positions,

19:00 Speaker 2: and we should be very concerned about that. And I'm

19:03 Speaker 2: very concerned about anybody who would say these are the

19:07 Speaker 2: same Nazis. And I got about calling them Nazis by

19:12 Speaker 2: the way, because they are Nazis and they are little Nazis,

19:15 Speaker 2: Like look at the picture, ask them yourselves there Nazis

19:20 Speaker 2: proud they were doing that. I had somebody attack me

19:24 Speaker 2: for saying that. Of course, I just want to be

19:26 Speaker 2: very clear that they were Nazis.

19:29 Speaker 3: Well yeah, well yeah, I mean, any anytime you you

19:32 Speaker 3: post anything like that, there's always going to be people

19:34 Speaker 3: who just, uh, you know, I always I make fun

19:37 Speaker 3: of them, I say, you know, because they'll tell you, oh, no,

19:40 Speaker 3: that's a hateful ideology and I don't agree with it,

19:43 Speaker 3: and and they're bad people. And then they go and

19:45 Speaker 3: then they see on social media, you know, they'll say, yeah, no, no,

19:49 Speaker 3: I hate Nazis. They're terrible. Oh wait a minute, Oh

19:52 Speaker 3: Nazis are being criticized on social media. Oh shit. I

19:55 Speaker 3: got to get on there and defend these Nazis. It's like,

19:59 Speaker 3: you know, oh, I don't agree with them, but oh

20:02 Speaker 3: but I don't think they should be criticized for any reason.

20:04 Speaker 3: I got to defend these Nazis.

20:05 Speaker 2: So you know, we have a president who said they're

20:08 Speaker 2: very fine people, and these are the same people who

20:11 Speaker 2: march through the streets of Charlottesville chanting Jews will not

20:15 Speaker 2: replace us. Matter of fact, if you watch the video

20:19 Speaker 2: of that, there is a man that will show up

20:21 Speaker 2: in that video and his nickname is the crying Nazi.

20:25 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, Christopher Kiddy from New Hampshires are quite familiar

20:31 Speaker 5: with that.

20:32 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, he was from New Hampshire. He's actually in

20:36 Speaker 2: federal prison for something entirely different.

20:38 Speaker 3: I think, oh is he he fell off my radar.

20:42 Speaker 4: I think he ended up in jailed, but don't quote

20:44 Speaker 4: me on that part.

20:45 Speaker 2: But the video literally saying Jews will not replace us,

20:49 Speaker 2: the very fine people that Trump was referring to, and

20:53 Speaker 2: there's the guy, so you know, yeah, forgive me if

20:58 Speaker 2: I'm a bit concerned that the President of the United

21:01 Speaker 2: States thinks that people who say you should not replace

21:05 Speaker 2: us and thinks that I should you know, not exist

21:07 Speaker 2: in this world are verifying people, and that the Secretary

21:12 Speaker 2: of of of Health and Human Services, you know, buys

21:17 Speaker 2: into this. So, uh, can you blame me for having

21:23 Speaker 2: some concerns when Nazis starts showing up in broad daylight

21:28 Speaker 2: in front of our state house, matching down the street

21:30 Speaker 2: and then assault somebody in broad daylight and then they

21:36 Speaker 2: climb into a back of a truck dive off, can

21:40 Speaker 2: you you know? And then and then we got now, okay,

21:44 Speaker 2: so add to that pie, this germanesque pie of things

21:49 Speaker 2: that are piling up. The fact that we now have

21:53 Speaker 2: an executive order that says that you can to take

21:57 Speaker 2: people and put them in jail for being homeless, take

22:01 Speaker 2: people and force them into a mental health facility, and

22:04 Speaker 2: even if they really do need mental health, if there's

22:07 Speaker 2: no bed, then put them in jail and hold them indefinitely.

22:12 Speaker 2: That's a thing. Now, can we take anything more out

22:15 Speaker 2: of the German playbook? You know, we're we're imprisoning people

22:18 Speaker 2: for being homeless. We're talking, we're reinstitutionalizing people who have

22:21 Speaker 2: mental health issues rather than actually getting them the health

22:24 Speaker 2: care they need to be fair.

22:27 Speaker 3: To be fair, criminalizing poverty is not new. It's just

22:30 Speaker 3: being taken to a new extreme. But it's not new.

22:33 Speaker 3: I mean, oh, I know your found ways to punish

22:37 Speaker 3: people our own our own.

22:39 Speaker 2: City here in Manchester. If you get caught being homeless

22:42 Speaker 2: on a park with the tent or looking like you're

22:45 Speaker 2: sleeping there, they can give you a ticket. Now because

22:47 Speaker 2: you know being homeless and isn't obvious. You don't have

22:50 Speaker 2: money bad enough, I'm not going to give you a ticket.

22:53 Speaker 2: Then when you don't pay your ticket, you start racking

22:57 Speaker 2: up stuff for that. So then you can get a

22:59 Speaker 2: bed toward it because you didn't page ticket. So now

23:01 Speaker 2: you get arrested the next time you're caught being homeless.

23:05 Speaker 2: And that's right here in our city. That already exists.

23:07 Speaker 2: That already exists right here in our city. So this

23:09 Speaker 2: is a nationwide decree to jail people who are homeless

23:16 Speaker 2: and who have mental health issues and will force them

23:20 Speaker 2: into a institution.

23:23 Speaker 3: I'm I gotta say something about this that nobody ever

23:26 Speaker 3: brings up, but this is well documented. I don't know why.

23:30 Speaker 3: This is one of those things that nobody ever brings up,

23:32 Speaker 3: and I don't know why, but I like to say

23:34 Speaker 3: this whenever the subject comes up for people who don't know,

23:39 Speaker 3: there is a large percentage. I mean, estimates vary, but

23:43 Speaker 3: there is a large percentage of homeless people in this country.

23:46 Speaker 3: And wherever you're watching or listening to this, in your

23:49 Speaker 3: city or here in Manchester where we are, there's a

23:52 Speaker 3: percentage of homeless people who are veterans. Why do I

23:56 Speaker 3: mention that because the Veterans Administration, while it does very

24:00 Speaker 3: well for some people, a lot of people fall through

24:03 Speaker 3: the cracks. A lot of people end up homeless because

24:08 Speaker 3: they have to take pain medication that they get through

24:11 Speaker 3: the VA because of what happened to them during their

24:14 Speaker 3: military service serving our country. And then one day they

24:17 Speaker 3: get cut off and after resort to street drugs and

24:20 Speaker 3: it becomes you know, and they just fall fall down

24:23 Speaker 3: the hole and then they wind up homeless.

24:26 Speaker 2: And add to that the fact that they've also recently

24:30 Speaker 2: cut veteran services on mental health and they've literally taken

24:33 Speaker 2: mental health clinicians and put them in a telemarketing like

24:37 Speaker 2: room where they're all talking to clients openly in this room. Right.

24:44 Speaker 3: But I'm bringing this up for a very specific reason

24:47 Speaker 3: because there's a particular look people who like to bash homeless,

24:54 Speaker 3: people who like to make fun of them, who like

24:56 Speaker 3: to talk about them as though they're trash that just

24:59 Speaker 3: needs to be swept away somewhere. They tend to be

25:02 Speaker 3: of a certain political ideology, right. You know, you don't

25:06 Speaker 3: hear liberals talk in that way. But the same people

25:11 Speaker 3: who are the cruelest in their condemnation of people who

25:16 Speaker 3: are homeless are typically the same people who like to

25:20 Speaker 3: wrap themselves in the flag, who like to act like

25:23 Speaker 3: they're more patriotic than the rest of us, and who

25:26 Speaker 3: love to talk about how important it is to honor

25:30 Speaker 3: and support and take care of veterans. So I want

25:35 Speaker 3: the people who do that. I want the people who

25:38 Speaker 3: think it's cool to kick, hopefully not literally but figuratively,

25:44 Speaker 3: or perhaps they fantasize about kicking them literally, homeless people

25:47 Speaker 3: when they're down. Just understand something you might be talking

25:51 Speaker 3: about a veteran when you do that. So anyone who

25:55 Speaker 3: thinks it's cool to be assholes to homeless people, just

25:59 Speaker 3: understand you might be assholes to people who served their country.

26:04 Speaker 3: And then, because we have a long history of discarding

26:09 Speaker 3: people when they leave the military and not giving them

26:13 Speaker 3: the help and support that they need, and that is

26:15 Speaker 3: well documented. You can trace that all the way back

26:18 Speaker 3: to World War One, when our veterans were not given

26:21 Speaker 3: things and support and help that they were promised. So

26:25 Speaker 3: just understand if you're a conservative who loves to wrap

26:29 Speaker 3: yourself in the flag and talk about how veterans are

26:32 Speaker 3: so important because the military is so important and we

26:34 Speaker 3: need hon our veterans, and you would also just as

26:37 Speaker 3: soon spit on a homeless person as even acknowledge their

26:41 Speaker 3: existence or give them any sort of dignity. Understand that

26:44 Speaker 3: you've got a conflict happening there, because that might be

26:48 Speaker 3: that might very well be a veteran that you're doing

26:51 Speaker 3: that too. And I will say this every single time

26:54 Speaker 3: this subject comes up, because nobody ever says it, and

26:56 Speaker 3: I don't know why, but a lot of homeless people

27:00 Speaker 3: are veterans who fell through the cracks. So you know,

27:04 Speaker 3: people who just mistreat them, you know, I understand if

27:08 Speaker 3: you don't want to give them money. I don't give

27:09 Speaker 3: them money. Okay, I don't have a lot of extra

27:11 Speaker 3: money to just be given out to people. But I

27:14 Speaker 3: would never I would never disrespect a homeless person. I

27:18 Speaker 3: would never talk down to them. I would never be

27:21 Speaker 3: mean to them and nothing like that, you know, I

27:24 Speaker 3: mean unless they came at me. Right, They're a human beings,

27:29 Speaker 3: child number one. They're a human being and you don't

27:32 Speaker 3: know their story. You don't know how they got there,

27:35 Speaker 3: you don't know what happened to them. But part of

27:37 Speaker 3: that too is also just so you know, conservatives who

27:39 Speaker 3: think it's cool to go around shitting on homeless people.

27:43 Speaker 3: That homeless person that you think is a piece of shit,

27:46 Speaker 3: they might be a veteran who fell through the cracks.

27:48 Speaker 3: And we all know veterans who fell through the cracks.

27:51 Speaker 3: So just something to consider.

27:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then when I was an EMT, I can

27:55 Speaker 2: tell you I responded to a number of veterans who

27:57 Speaker 2: needed help and who fell through the cracks, and the

27:59 Speaker 2: VA didn't take care of And they should have never

28:03 Speaker 2: ended up with me because they weren't being taken care

28:05 Speaker 2: of right by the VA. But now put that into

28:09 Speaker 2: perspective too, even just locally right here, right when the

28:13 Speaker 2: rents went crazy, we saw a fifty percent increase in

28:17 Speaker 2: homelessness of one year. But people's rent went up not

28:22 Speaker 2: fifty bucks or even one hundred, they went up two hundred,

28:25 Speaker 2: three hundred, four hundred and five hundred dollars all at once. Yeah,

28:29 Speaker 2: that's a whole new paycheck.

28:31 Speaker 3: How do you keep your home right?

28:34 Speaker 2: And then you only got the one or two jobs

28:37 Speaker 2: are already working. You can't just make the money come

28:39 Speaker 2: out of thin air. You've got to come from somewhere,

28:42 Speaker 2: like when it happened with us. I cut my infusions,

28:45 Speaker 2: I started rationing my care. But I was lucky enough

28:49 Speaker 2: to be able to do that, right, Like, I was

28:51 Speaker 2: lucky that I could do that and not end up homeless,

28:55 Speaker 2: because I was scared. That's where we were going to go,

28:57 Speaker 2: and and that happened to so many people. And it's

29:00 Speaker 2: happening more and more every day because you look at

29:02 Speaker 2: everything that's getting built up, these apartments all across the country.

29:06 Speaker 2: I don't care where you live when my parents are

29:09 Speaker 2: the same thing. These apartments that are getting built are

29:12 Speaker 2: so expensive that the average person can't necessarily afford it.

29:17 Speaker 2: And more and more people are ending up homeless every

29:21 Speaker 2: single day, not because they're.

29:23 Speaker 6: Lazy, not because they don't have a job and a paycheck,

29:26 Speaker 6: but because they can't afford to actually live someplace, because

29:30 Speaker 6: greed has gotten so out of control in this country.

29:34 Speaker 3: Well, we need uh. By the way, hello to a

29:36 Speaker 3: Miriam Banish who joins us online. Hi, Mariam, we need

29:40 Speaker 3: we need to.

29:40 Speaker 2: Do what I see Isaac in there too.

29:42 Speaker 3: Whatever it takes, whatever it takes for a national push

29:47 Speaker 3: for and it's probably never gonna happen, but whatever it

29:50 Speaker 3: takes for a tremendous national push for more affordable housing.

29:55 Speaker 3: I say, you know, offer the biggest tax break in

29:58 Speaker 3: the world to anyone who wants to build an apartment

30:02 Speaker 3: complex that is for affordable working class people. Just do it.

30:07 Speaker 3: Just do whatever it takes, because this is a problem

30:10 Speaker 3: that's been building up, and you're right, and homelessness.

30:13 Speaker 2: Is the housing does this.

30:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, homelessness has been on a huge increase across the country.

30:19 Speaker 3: So uh yeah, whatever, whatever you have to do, you know,

30:24 Speaker 3: to fix it, fix it. And you know, the Republican

30:27 Speaker 3: Party is never going to do it because they don't

30:29 Speaker 3: give a shit, and the Democratic Party is too incompetent

30:31 Speaker 3: to if they even bothered, even bothered to have seen

30:33 Speaker 3: this coming. So they've they've not done a damn thing

30:36 Speaker 3: about it either.

30:37 Speaker 2: So you know, what they're doing is actually increasing more

30:41 Speaker 2: the wage gap between the average working family and these

30:45 Speaker 2: these one percenters. Like he's all the tax all the

30:51 Speaker 2: tax cuts for people who make a ton of money

30:53 Speaker 2: are still in effect.

30:55 Speaker 3: Yeah, but the subsidies.

30:57 Speaker 2: That we're going to the exchange, people could afford health

31:01 Speaker 2: insurance instead of it being eight hundred, nine hundred thousand

31:03 Speaker 2: dollars a month for health insurance, go to the exchange

31:06 Speaker 2: and be able to get it for maybe one hundred

31:07 Speaker 2: dollars because of a subsidy. Those are not getting renewed.

31:11 Speaker 2: That's gone. So next year you might see up to

31:14 Speaker 2: a fifty percent increase in your health care premium just

31:18 Speaker 2: to have health insurance off the exchange that they're doing

31:24 Speaker 2: to us, the average working, the working people are paying

31:28 Speaker 2: more taxes than these rich fox ever pay. Yeah, of course,

31:33 Speaker 2: and there's so many of them they and Trump even said, ah,

31:36 Speaker 2: I used the loopholes.

31:37 Speaker 4: You know, if it's there, he's gonna jump through it.

31:39 Speaker 2: Years ago he said that it's And all they're doing

31:43 Speaker 2: is big, not even worse. Right, We're not investing in housing,

31:47 Speaker 2: we're not investing in transportation, we're not investing in our

31:50 Speaker 2: own infrastructure. We're building concentration camps. We're spending millions of

31:56 Speaker 2: dollars flying people out of this country who were working hard,

32:00 Speaker 2: card paying taxes. They literally took an ice cream man

32:04 Speaker 2: out of his truck, who was the ice creamman of

32:07 Speaker 2: this community for over twenty some odd years, didn't have

32:10 Speaker 2: a single solitary run in with the police ever, was

32:13 Speaker 2: here legally, had a working had permission to work because

32:17 Speaker 2: he need taxes, had his green card and everything. And

32:21 Speaker 2: that's the thing that I don't I feel like people

32:23 Speaker 2: don't necessarily grasp the people are getting kicked out of

32:27 Speaker 2: this country aren't the worst of the worst. They're not

32:30 Speaker 2: criminals that are on the lamb hiding because but they're

32:34 Speaker 2: literally taking people away and saying we're revoking your green card,

32:41 Speaker 2: and they're even talking we're going to revoke your naturalized citizenship.

32:44 Speaker 3: Right, They're changing the rules in the middle of the

32:45 Speaker 3: game just to just to get people out, because they

32:48 Speaker 3: know that the base loves that time.

32:50 Speaker 2: An American citizen is not necessarily something you get to keep.

32:55 Speaker 4: You can lose it on a whim of.

32:59 Speaker 2: A signature, not a legislative action, not something that went

33:03 Speaker 2: through the system through Congress, like it's supposed to do

33:05 Speaker 2: in a democracy, but by a signature.

33:08 Speaker 3: Well, fortunately, it does look like in terms of ending

33:11 Speaker 3: birthright citizenship, it looks like Trump has hit a wall

33:13 Speaker 3: as far as that goes. But hopefully that.

33:16 Speaker 2: Would make him not a citizen. His parents were immigrants,

33:20 Speaker 2: that would make him not a citizen. He's first generation,

33:25 Speaker 2: is that true?

33:27 Speaker 4: Yes?

33:28 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, his mother I think was born in Scotland. Yeah,

33:32 Speaker 2: he was, he was born here, not his parents.

33:36 Speaker 3: Well, the rules wouldn't apply to him anyway, because they

33:38 Speaker 3: you know, well, you know, Mega thinks he was chosen

33:41 Speaker 3: by God, and we're.

33:42 Speaker 2: Not going to raise the minimum wage. What's it at seven?

33:46 Speaker 2: I think federal minimum.

33:48 Speaker 3: It's been seven twenty five for as long as I can.

33:50 Speaker 2: Five is the minimum that you can pay somebody. So

33:52 Speaker 2: you can't make enough money to actually rent an apartment,

33:56 Speaker 2: or if you can rent an apartment, you can't eat

33:59 Speaker 2: like nobody can break, nobody can live on seven twenty five.

34:04 Speaker 2: And when you allow somebody who makes twenty five million

34:07 Speaker 2: dollars a year to pay his worker seven dollars and

34:13 Speaker 2: then bitch because you know his worker eats food stamps

34:17 Speaker 2: so they could actually have some food and they're on

34:19 Speaker 2: a healthcare subsidy. Why because the rich prick won't pay

34:23 Speaker 2: him a littable wage. And that all of this plays in,

34:31 Speaker 2: All of this plays in I mean to bring it

34:33 Speaker 2: back to to where we were, says, I know, we're

34:35 Speaker 2: gonna move on to something else, but you know, this

34:39 Speaker 2: call to make America great again is absolutely un American.

34:48 Speaker 2: It's absolutely un american, and it it encourages people like

34:54 Speaker 2: these blood tribe Nazis to show up at capitals like

34:58 Speaker 2: ours and try to intimidate people and to assault somebody

35:03 Speaker 2: down the street and spray somebody with pepper spray. That's

35:06 Speaker 2: what they do, right, And they're gonna win unless all

35:10 Speaker 2: of us stand up and and and you know that's

35:13 Speaker 2: my call to action. I need you to join me.

35:16 Speaker 2: I can't know this on my own. It's going to

35:19 Speaker 2: take all of us to save our democracy at this

35:23 Speaker 2: point and to make sure that people like these don't

35:28 Speaker 2: win in the long run.

35:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, agreed. Oh uh, let's see Cyclon Dessenta joins

35:36 Speaker 3: us in the chatroom and says good afternoon. Hashtag Matt

35:39 Speaker 3: and hashtag Jen. We are a singing group, quartet, man band, quintet.

35:45 Speaker 3: I assume they're from Greensboro, North Carolina.

35:48 Speaker 4: They want to be right, Yes, hi Isaac.

35:55 Speaker 3: Alrighty oh uh we just heard about what's going on.

36:01 Speaker 3: Uh this Trump dude, We say, yes, we've missed our

36:07 Speaker 3: friends in Greensboro.

36:08 Speaker 2: It's been a bit.

36:10 Speaker 3: Well, they're usually there. They're usually there on Saturday mornings

36:12 Speaker 3: during the radio. Get to their their comments. But very good,

36:17 Speaker 3: very good. Uh so the the other the big thing

36:20 Speaker 3: that we wanted to discuss today. Uh, this would be

36:23 Speaker 3: the main event, as we say on the Tough Bumps podcast,

36:26 Speaker 3: which I'm gonna be doing with Eric later. But yeah,

36:30 Speaker 3: Doug Wilson, this guy who I didn't even really know about,

36:35 Speaker 3: until recently, but apparently he is Pete, what's up?

36:41 Speaker 2: You know why because you're not a woman.

36:42 Speaker 3: Well, Pete HeiG Seth, Uh, who is, of course our

36:46 Speaker 3: secretary of defense, is a member of Doug Wilson's church,

36:50 Speaker 3: and I guess recently uh shared out I should uh,

36:53 Speaker 3: I should grab the wee grab grab the video here

36:57 Speaker 3: of the we could play the ap story.

37:01 Speaker 7: Defense Secretary Pete haig Seth recently made headlines when he

37:04 Speaker 7: shared a C and N video on social media about

37:06 Speaker 7: the Communion of Reformed Evangelical Churches, an arch conservative network

37:10 Speaker 7: of Christian congregations where he's a member. The video included

37:13 Speaker 7: its pastors arguing women should not have the right to vote.

37:16 Speaker 8: I was very grateful to him for doing that. He

37:19 Speaker 8: didn't just repost it like, oh, here's an interesting thing

37:22 Speaker 8: that these weird people are doing. He reposted it and

37:26 Speaker 8: he himself said all of Christ for all of life,

37:29 Speaker 8: which is the tagline that we use.

37:32 Speaker 3: So now, by the way, if Pete hag Seth had

37:34 Speaker 3: said this is an interesting thing that these weird people

37:36 Speaker 3: are doing, that would have been appropriate, but he did

37:40 Speaker 3: not say that. He seems to be expressing support for

37:45 Speaker 3: pastor Wilson, and again, what's that.

37:49 Speaker 2: It's more than that.

37:50 Speaker 3: More than that. Yeah, so he more.

37:52 Speaker 2: Than that because that statement that he made, Yeah, that

37:57 Speaker 2: statement is is not just like something he's pulling out

38:01 Speaker 2: a thin air. That statement refers to the belief that

38:07 Speaker 2: first we get the Christian nation, then we get the

38:09 Speaker 2: Christian concept, then we go for the world. They want

38:12 Speaker 2: a Christian world. The ultimate endgame is to convert everybody

38:17 Speaker 2: right a.

38:19 Speaker 8: Little more reposting it and saying amen at some level.

38:23 Speaker 7: Pastor Doug Wilson, the network's co founder, is no stranger

38:26 Speaker 7: to controversy with his church's embrace of patriarchy and Christian nationalism.

38:30 Speaker 7: They are a network of over one hundred and thirty

38:32 Speaker 7: churches and have recently opened a new church in Washington,

38:34 Speaker 7: d C. With heg Seth attending its first Sunday service.

38:37 Speaker 8: This is the first time we've had connections with as

38:42 Speaker 8: many people in national government as we do now. But

38:46 Speaker 8: this is not this is not an ecclesiastical lobbying effort

38:51 Speaker 8: where we're trying to meet important people. We're trying to

38:54 Speaker 8: give some of these people an opportunity to meet with God.

38:58 Speaker 7: Wilson's church in the wider network believe in practice the.

39:01 Speaker 3: Idea I would like a chance to meet with God.

39:03 Speaker 3: I mean I have questions, you know, like I've always

39:06 Speaker 3: wondered what does he look like and does he have

39:08 Speaker 3: a long white beer?

39:09 Speaker 7: Men and women have different roles, and women should not

39:11 Speaker 7: hold church leadership positions.

39:13 Speaker 8: My wife votes, my daughters vote. If people rush to

39:18 Speaker 8: conclusions from what they heard on the CNN piece, that's

39:23 Speaker 8: a sad thing. At the same time, I think that

39:28 Speaker 8: the Nineteenth Amendment was a bad idea, and I had

39:31 Speaker 8: no problem with how Pastor Jared answered the question. I

39:35 Speaker 8: would support that. Our issue is not is not a

39:39 Speaker 8: problem with the enfranchisement of women. Our problem is with

39:44 Speaker 8: the disenfranchisement of the household.

39:48 Speaker 3: Now, just to clarify what he means, his position and

39:52 Speaker 3: the position of the church is that there should be

39:54 Speaker 3: one vote per household, and of course the person casting

39:57 Speaker 3: the vote would be the head of the household. And

40:00 Speaker 3: I think we all know when we refer to the

40:03 Speaker 3: head of the household, we know who Pastor Wilson has

40:06 Speaker 3: in mind. Right, men, that's right, that's not too clear.

40:13 Speaker 7: Follow his church's example.

40:15 Speaker 8: So in our church elections, households vote, and that includes

40:20 Speaker 8: some women. As heads of households. But ordinarily, when you

40:24 Speaker 8: have a conservative Christian family, the head of the household

40:30 Speaker 8: is the is the husband and father, and he's the

40:33 Speaker 8: one who casts the vote. But he's voting on behalf

40:35 Speaker 8: of the whole household. The issue is not keeping females

40:39 Speaker 8: from voting. The issue for us is we want households

40:43 Speaker 8: to have a say.

40:45 Speaker 3: There is a little bit of a loophole in there

40:48 Speaker 3: for him because uh, you know, he because I think

40:53 Speaker 3: in a separate piece and a longer video, or it

40:55 Speaker 3: might even even been because we did watch the piece

40:58 Speaker 3: on CNN, which by the way, Doug Wilson did acknowledge

41:01 Speaker 3: that he thought it was fair. He didn't think that

41:04 Speaker 3: a lot of them that it was fair. Yeah, it

41:07 Speaker 3: was fair and balanced because they did present all sides.

41:09 Speaker 3: But but the loophole being see, he can say, he

41:14 Speaker 3: can say, we're not saying we oppose women voting because uh,

41:20 Speaker 3: he sort of acknowledges that not every household, you know,

41:23 Speaker 3: so for example, if you have a household where there's

41:25 Speaker 3: a mom but but the father has passed away, for ex.

41:28 Speaker 2: That's what he said, Yeah, it's a widow, you get

41:31 Speaker 2: to vote.

41:32 Speaker 3: So that's why he gets to say that. That's why

41:34 Speaker 3: he can say, well, we're not opposed to women voting.

41:38 Speaker 2: What's that there's no divorce in that kind of Christianity.

41:42 Speaker 3: Well that's true, but but if somebody died, like if.

41:45 Speaker 2: You watch the full CNN and they also have an

41:49 Speaker 2: extended version if you go on YouTube, Yeah, the full

41:52 Speaker 2: thirty minute version that has all. But they interview a

41:57 Speaker 2: couple of the heads of his church and they reiterate

42:01 Speaker 2: the belief that men are in charge, women are subservient.

42:07 Speaker 2: And if that's not enough for you to believe it,

42:08 Speaker 2: they then go to a couple and the woman openly says,

42:12 Speaker 2: I am subservient to him, that she's submissive. She used

42:17 Speaker 2: the word submissive, that she's submissive to him. And that

42:21 Speaker 2: is part of the control and this crazy Christianity. Right,

42:29 Speaker 2: where as a woman, you are less than the man.

42:36 Speaker 2: You're not as smart as the man. God didn't build

42:40 Speaker 2: you to carry this load, this weight. Don't let your

42:46 Speaker 2: husband handle those the household difficulty things. You know, you

42:53 Speaker 2: keep the house, you raise the kid, but you don't

42:58 Speaker 2: make decisions. You know, you can have an opinion, but

43:02 Speaker 2: the ultimate decision is made by the man, right, and

43:05 Speaker 2: is it is. And as a woman, I was once

43:09 Speaker 2: married for a very long time and in and there

43:15 Speaker 2: was a time in my life when I had converted

43:18 Speaker 2: to Christianity and believed in a very strict Christianity.

43:25 Speaker 3: And a strict version of it. We should just be clear,

43:27 Speaker 3: just to be fair. I don't think a majority of

43:31 Speaker 3: Christians actually would follow Doug Wilson, but Pete Sache, but

43:36 Speaker 3: a member, a high ranking member of our government does.

43:38 Speaker 3: And that's why we're talking about this, just to.

43:39 Speaker 2: Make exactly yeah, because I want people to like, this

43:42 Speaker 2: is a it's it's it's a it's like getting infected

43:47 Speaker 2: with something right, and you, as a woman, you firmly

43:52 Speaker 2: believe that you're doing what God is telling you to do,

43:54 Speaker 2: and you want to go to Heaven. Right. So I

43:55 Speaker 2: believed that if I wasn't a godly woman, I wouldn't

43:59 Speaker 2: get to see the people that I loved again. I

44:01 Speaker 2: was very attached to that idea of being able to

44:04 Speaker 2: see the people that I loved who died, and the

44:07 Speaker 2: idea of that not being real was so devastating to

44:11 Speaker 2: me that the first time somebody really challenged me on it,

44:16 Speaker 2: I collapsed and just bawled my eyes out, and it

44:20 Speaker 2: was like, but if you're right, there's nothing. If I'm right,

44:26 Speaker 2: I get to be with the people I love. So

44:30 Speaker 2: any suffering that I am enduring in this world is

44:33 Speaker 2: required of me to get the reward of going to heaven.

44:37 Speaker 2: So whenever my husband had done or said or made

44:43 Speaker 2: certain rules or whatever that I followed, that's where it

44:48 Speaker 2: was coming from. And it was a very very strong

44:53 Speaker 2: I was a Sunday school teacher. We went to church

44:56 Speaker 2: every Sunday. I read the bo I had a woman's

45:02 Speaker 2: study guides. I can remember going to I would volunteer

45:05 Speaker 2: for at the Christian camps as because I was an EMT,

45:08 Speaker 2: I would volunteer to be part of their medical staff.

45:11 Speaker 2: And I would bawl my eyes out over tearing over

45:14 Speaker 2: these books. Why don't I get it? Like every Why

45:17 Speaker 2: can't I feel it? Like everybody else says? Why is it.

45:22 Speaker 3: Believe?

45:22 Speaker 2: But why can't I feel what everybody else does? Why?

45:26 Speaker 2: And I you know, it's because there's something wrong with me? Right,

45:32 Speaker 2: And that's powerful. That's the most powerful thing in the

45:36 Speaker 2: world when you think about it, like if you upset

45:39 Speaker 2: this God, then you're going to burn and everlasting hell.

45:43 Speaker 2: You'll never see the people you love again. And I

45:47 Speaker 2: couldn't live with that at the time. And I firmly

45:50 Speaker 2: believed that I may not. No one understand why these

45:53 Speaker 2: things are written, but God has a reason.

45:57 Speaker 3: Right right, well they have you know, the Lord works

45:59 Speaker 3: and with serious ways, which is kind of a catch

46:01 Speaker 3: all explanation for everything. Right.

46:04 Speaker 2: So this, this belief system exists in different ways, but

46:09 Speaker 2: now this situation has catapulted it. This It came out

46:14 Speaker 2: of a belief in like Calvinism, and they've and remember

46:17 Speaker 2: now Doug created this ship. He's the founder of this

46:21 Speaker 2: He this is his own faith that he created within

46:25 Speaker 2: this church. And now he's got other locations and they

46:29 Speaker 2: just opened one in DC. Yeah, to have one near

46:32 Speaker 2: the capital and heg Seth has already gone there.

46:36 Speaker 5: To go to church, and and he's very and Doug

46:43 Speaker 5: is very clear that the nineteenth Amendment, which is the

46:45 Speaker 5: woman's right.

46:46 Speaker 2: To vote, should be repealed.

46:49 Speaker 3: Yeah, women should not have the.

46:51 Speaker 2: Right to vote.

46:52 Speaker 4: He says that it was the stake to have.

46:54 Speaker 2: Ever given the woman the right to vote. So put

46:58 Speaker 2: the religion, the beliefs, and now put this stuff stacking up, right,

47:03 Speaker 2: We're going to get rid of women's rights. Men are

47:06 Speaker 2: going to rule the world. Only men in leadership. That's

47:11 Speaker 2: a big eie too. Oh yeah, and heg Seth is

47:14 Speaker 2: very big on that. He doesn't. You know, you look,

47:16 Speaker 2: they don't. None of them have women in leadership because

47:18 Speaker 2: women are too weak, too stupid fill in the blank.

47:23 Speaker 2: You're not as smart as a man. You can't do it.

47:27 Speaker 2: That's their opinion.

47:31 Speaker 3: We should for anyone who if you're not familiar with

47:35 Speaker 3: this guy, like I said, I was not familiar with

47:37 Speaker 3: this guy before, got a couple other clips here that

47:39 Speaker 3: I can show that just kind of.

47:42 Speaker 8: So let us talk about women voting, shall we? Back

47:45 Speaker 8: in the battle days before the nineteenth Amendment, the men

47:47 Speaker 8: were considered to be the heads of their households and

47:50 Speaker 8: represented their families at the ballot box. So what happened

47:53 Speaker 8: when their wives were granted suffrage. Let's take a typical

47:56 Speaker 8: presidential election to illustrate it, using the first one inteen

47:59 Speaker 8: t after women's suffrage was accomplished, the election between Warren

48:03 Speaker 8: Harding and James Cox. If both the husband and wife

48:06 Speaker 8: vote for Harding, say, then what you've done is simply

48:09 Speaker 8: multiplied the number of total votes cast for him by two.

48:11 Speaker 8: And if the husband votes for Harding, say, and the

48:13 Speaker 8: wife votes for Cox, Then what you've done is cancel

48:16 Speaker 8: out the voice of that particular household upon discovering how

48:19 Speaker 8: they were each going to vote. What would be the

48:21 Speaker 8: harm if the two of them just stayed at home

48:22 Speaker 8: for a quiet dinner together in order to cancel out

48:25 Speaker 8: one another's vote. That way, where was the great progress

48:27 Speaker 8: supposed to be?

48:28 Speaker 3: He's really reaching to make this argument.

48:30 Speaker 2: Makes he interchanges the world household for man. Yeah, remember that,

48:35 Speaker 2: Remember that every time he uses the word household, it's

48:39 Speaker 2: about the man.

48:41 Speaker 3: There's also but there's also a flaw in his logic.

48:43 Speaker 3: Well here, let me play a little bit more of this.

48:45 Speaker 2: Not like men who don't have families can't vote? How

48:50 Speaker 2: hold is bullshit?

48:51 Speaker 3: Right? Right? Yeah, good point, But there's another flaw here.

48:54 Speaker 3: But let me let me just play a little bit

48:55 Speaker 3: more of this to be located.

48:57 Speaker 8: The net effect of women's suffrage was not an advance

49:00 Speaker 8: in women's rights, but rather part of a push to

49:02 Speaker 8: replace covenanted entities like families with raw individualism. An overweening

49:08 Speaker 8: state greatly prefers governing an atimistic populace where each individual's

49:12 Speaker 8: like a bebe thrown into an electoral sack. There's no

49:15 Speaker 8: structural or rigidity to it. Especially after laxity in the

49:18 Speaker 8: law concerning porn, pot and poker has now greased all

49:21 Speaker 8: the bebes. Nothing coheres anymore. In the older system, the

49:25 Speaker 8: people were grouped in molecules Birch's little platoons, some of

49:29 Speaker 8: them quite complex, and molecular societies are much more capable

49:32 Speaker 8: of resisting the demands of statism. So the suffrage movement

49:35 Speaker 8: was actually not taking up the cause of women, but

49:38 Speaker 8: rather was part of a long sustained war on the family.

49:41 Speaker 8: The nature of this kind of thinking says that a

49:43 Speaker 8: decision to abort a child is a decision between a

49:46 Speaker 8: woman and her doctor. The father of the child is

49:48 Speaker 8: stripped of any legal ability to protect the life of

49:51 Speaker 8: his own legitimate child. We need to retrace all of

49:54 Speaker 8: our steps in order to discover how travesty like that

49:57 Speaker 8: could ever happen, And when we do, we discover the

49:59 Speaker 8: ol A lot of it started at Seneca fault.

50:02 Speaker 3: Now, the thing that I don't understand is so about

50:07 Speaker 3: his his logic. I mean, aside from obviously I disagree

50:09 Speaker 3: with his position, but I also there's something about how

50:12 Speaker 3: he gets there that I don't quite understand. So if

50:15 Speaker 3: you've got because he uses this example, so if you've

50:17 Speaker 3: got two if you've got two people in a household,

50:20 Speaker 3: if you've got a man and a woman who both

50:22 Speaker 3: vote the same way, you've effectively doubled the vote the

50:27 Speaker 3: voting power of that household. Whereas if they vote, if

50:33 Speaker 3: they if the two households vote differently, then they've effectively

50:36 Speaker 3: canceled out each other's vote. Like, look, I'm not good

50:39 Speaker 3: at math, but why why does that even? Why does

50:42 Speaker 3: any of that even matter? Because what if you have so.

50:45 Speaker 2: What if you collection of votes that counts.

50:47 Speaker 3: But what if you have two if you have two

50:50 Speaker 3: people in a household. Though, So, if you have two

50:53 Speaker 3: people in a household and they both vote the same way,

50:56 Speaker 3: and they both vote the way you want them to do,

50:59 Speaker 3: right if if you're a conservative and you've got a

51:02 Speaker 3: conservative couple and they both vote the same way, yeah,

51:07 Speaker 3: maybe you've doubled the voting power of that household. But

51:10 Speaker 3: in that case, that's a good thing, right for you,

51:13 Speaker 3: if they voted the way you want them to vote.

51:15 Speaker 3: So it's kind of like, so, for lack of a

51:17 Speaker 3: better way of putting it, I guess what I'm saying

51:19 Speaker 3: is in response to his argument about doubling the voting

51:24 Speaker 3: power of a household and whatnot. Who fucking cares. In

51:28 Speaker 3: the end, what does it matter.

51:29 Speaker 2: It matters that women are having a power over a man. Well,

51:33 Speaker 2: that's the thing matters, But.

51:35 Speaker 3: He's not presenting it that way.

51:36 Speaker 2: That woman's vote might cause the candidate that she likes

51:41 Speaker 2: to win, and she's not going to obey her husband.

51:45 Speaker 3: That's what he means. But that's not going to.

51:48 Speaker 4: Obey husband, then she's counting. She's killing his.

51:52 Speaker 2: Vote because she's not obeying him. But when she is

51:55 Speaker 2: obeying him, she's giving him an abundance. But we don't

52:00 Speaker 2: want to allow either one of those. We only want

52:03 Speaker 2: the men to vote. Remember he doesn't say that a

52:06 Speaker 2: man who doesn't have a wife and kids can't vote,

52:10 Speaker 2: of course, he says household vote. A man is a household.

52:14 Speaker 2: A woman is not anything right unless she's under some

52:20 Speaker 2: man's roof, then she's part of his household. The only

52:26 Speaker 2: exception to the rule is when a woman is allowed

52:30 Speaker 2: to be in her own head of household because her

52:32 Speaker 2: husband died. But you never divorce.

52:36 Speaker 4: Divorce is an absolute sin.

52:39 Speaker 2: And now broaden this. So this is where we are

52:42 Speaker 2: right and now we have a faith Office in the

52:46 Speaker 2: White House Christianity only. We have a task force that

52:53 Speaker 2: is supposed to weed out any anti Christian bias in

53:00 Speaker 2: we have a Religious Liberty Commission. These things didn't exist

53:09 Speaker 2: before Trump because we we recognized it in well Christian initiative,

53:17 Speaker 2: and we didn't have we didn't have a woman in

53:20 Speaker 2: the White House under this faith office, who, by the way,

53:24 Speaker 2: thinks she can move a hurricane with a stick.

53:27 Speaker 3: Oh, Paula White, Yeah, she's a lunatic.

53:29 Speaker 2: No.

53:30 Speaker 3: But but I'm just saying, though, like this isn't this

53:33 Speaker 3: isn't all new, because we we did see some of

53:35 Speaker 3: this to a to a small extent during the George W.

53:38 Speaker 3: Bush administration. And that's part not like this, No, but

53:41 Speaker 3: that's part of the reason why, because if you remember conservative.

53:45 Speaker 2: Offensive that you were, Because I feel like Bush is

53:48 Speaker 2: an entirely different Republican than Trump.

53:51 Speaker 3: Oh sure, in a lot of don't.

53:52 Speaker 2: You think there's I don't think that the aspects of

53:54 Speaker 2: that are are similar in any way.

53:56 Speaker 3: No, but I'm just saying, though the roots of this

53:59 Speaker 3: did pre exist Trump Trump because not actually.

54:01 Speaker 4: Well yeah, it did.

54:02 Speaker 2: You got to go every other than that, You got

54:04 Speaker 2: to go back to Nixon and Reagan because that's when

54:06 Speaker 2: we had prayer in schools.

54:07 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, no Reagan. Yeah, well we never had in

54:09 Speaker 3: public school.

54:10 Speaker 2: Yes we did.

54:11 Speaker 3: There was a push for it, there was always Okay,

54:14 Speaker 3: I went to elementary school.

54:17 Speaker 2: In the beginning of the day, we all did the

54:19 Speaker 2: present allegiance and then there was a in Massachusetts.

54:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, and then there was a prayer.

54:24 Speaker 2: Time and the Jewish kids and the Jehovah's Witness kids

54:27 Speaker 2: were were in the hallway.

54:28 Speaker 3: That really surprises me.

54:29 Speaker 2: In the classroom, it didn't last long.

54:31 Speaker 3: That surprises me, but that happened. Okay, No, but my point,

54:36 Speaker 3: my point was, My point was though that there was

54:38 Speaker 3: like we saw a lot of this. The reason Christian Conservatives,

54:41 Speaker 3: for example, they embraced W but they didn't they never

54:45 Speaker 3: trusted his father. And the reason they never trusted his

54:47 Speaker 3: father is because Bush Senior was resistant to the Christian right.

54:52 Speaker 1: Uh.

54:52 Speaker 3: He he kept them in arms length, whereas W embraced them.

54:56 Speaker 3: And he did have I don't remember specifically, but he

54:58 Speaker 3: did have some faith based initiative stuff going.

55:01 Speaker 2: On during little pitily things. It wasn't anything that was

55:04 Speaker 2: going to amount to something somebody getting in trouble or anything.

55:08 Speaker 2: These guys are actually literally out to get people because

55:11 Speaker 2: they have the power. Now, Oh, you're anti Christian, I'm

55:14 Speaker 2: going to sue you for Like this is where we're

55:16 Speaker 2: at right now, right yeah, And.

55:22 Speaker 3: No, I'm just I'm just saying because.

55:23 Speaker 2: I have religion and government periodscussion. And when you ask

55:29 Speaker 2: people like, you know, I mean, this is the pastor

55:31 Speaker 2: that we're talking about. Is the kind of person who's

55:33 Speaker 2: leading these people that are doing these things right? Who

55:37 Speaker 2: they want this country to have? What did he say?

55:41 Speaker 2: He wanted Jesus to be the head of the country

55:44 Speaker 2: basically was his thing. And and he said that Muslim.

55:49 Speaker 4: What do you say about Islamic faith?

55:52 Speaker 2: Was I don't know what he's everybody else's faith is heresy,

55:56 Speaker 2: but their version of Christianity. Right, that's literally outside the

56:03 Speaker 2: Oval office now, And that concerns me. And when you

56:07 Speaker 2: say you're going to go target people that you consider

56:10 Speaker 2: anti Christian, what does that really look like? How is

56:14 Speaker 2: that going?

56:14 Speaker 4: And is there anything going on that we don't even

56:16 Speaker 4: know yet?

56:17 Speaker 2: Like because this exists, we know it exists. What are

56:20 Speaker 2: they doing?

56:22 Speaker 3: Miriam Banish says in Texas they had a moment of

56:24 Speaker 3: silence when she was there two thousand and three to

56:27 Speaker 3: two thousand and seven. Yeah, I didn't know. I didn't

56:29 Speaker 3: know that was actively happening anywhere. I always hear Christian

56:32 Speaker 3: conservatives talk about that like it's like a compromise. It's like, well,

56:35 Speaker 3: if you're not gonna have prayer in school, I remember

56:37 Speaker 3: that you didn't.

56:38 Speaker 2: You didn't have the moment of silent thing either. We

56:40 Speaker 2: had that afterwards. I mean we had a long time.

56:43 Speaker 2: We had pledge of allegiance, moment of silence announcements.

56:48 Speaker 3: Just just to clarify, though, So I went to a

56:50 Speaker 3: Catholic school, Saint john'san Conquered from grade two to grade eight. Now,

56:57 Speaker 3: starting in ninth grade, I went to public school. It's

56:59 Speaker 3: possible there was something. I doubt it, though.

57:01 Speaker 2: But if you missed it, it's it's happening, then you're

57:05 Speaker 2: only a year younger than me.

57:06 Speaker 3: I doubt it was happening.

57:08 Speaker 2: This was happening.

57:09 Speaker 3: I doubt it was happening, even in public school in

57:11 Speaker 3: New Hampshire. But but it could have been. It could

57:13 Speaker 3: have been, and I just missed it. It certainly wasn't

57:15 Speaker 3: happening because in ninth grade. Uh, in ninth grade, I

57:18 Speaker 3: started going to public school, and there was nothing even

57:20 Speaker 3: approaching anything like that in public school and conquered when

57:24 Speaker 3: I was in when I was in public school. But

57:26 Speaker 3: there could have been something that I just was never

57:28 Speaker 3: exposed to. That's certainly possible.

57:30 Speaker 2: When I was in when we moved, when I'm one

57:34 Speaker 2: of the moves I had, I am was it eighth

57:37 Speaker 2: grade or seventh grade? See this seventh Oh, it's the

57:41 Speaker 2: eighth grade. I ended up in a school where I

57:44 Speaker 2: was one of only two Jewish kids in the school.

57:48 Speaker 2: It was an overcrowded school back then. The schools were

57:51 Speaker 2: packed and we weren't on half day sessions where they

57:55 Speaker 2: used to do this thing when they often night of

57:56 Speaker 2: the days. But you could only walk around the school

57:58 Speaker 2: in one direction because it was that fall was that bad.

58:02 Speaker 2: And at Christmas time, I guess they had always traditionally

58:06 Speaker 2: just had like Christmas stuff up, but now that they

58:09 Speaker 2: had two Jewish kids, and I made an offhanded remock

58:13 Speaker 2: once about you know, I see all the Christma stuff,

58:17 Speaker 2: how come there's nothing Bahanka? All of a sudden there was,

58:21 Speaker 2: and I was like the pariah. Yeah, yeah, and then

58:25 Speaker 2: we did. Hanka got added to the Christmas program and

58:30 Speaker 2: they stopped calling it the Christmas thing not long after

58:33 Speaker 2: that and started calling it the Fall Concert or whatever.

58:37 Speaker 4: But it was called the Christmas leg it.

58:39 Speaker 2: You know. I think about that stuff and how uncomfortable

58:45 Speaker 2: it was. And then we moved so far past that

58:51 Speaker 2: people expressing themselves and having their own face, and now

58:54 Speaker 2: here we are and all of that progress is being

58:58 Speaker 2: completely stripped away m hm, piece by peace. And I

59:04 Speaker 2: worry that this Christian nationalist, uber uber right wing is

59:11 Speaker 2: going to do irreparable harm that we can't undo. I mean,

59:16 Speaker 2: there's already so much going on. I mean, it's these

59:19 Speaker 2: belief systems that endorse the the belief that we should

59:23 Speaker 2: pull people out of their car because they look Mexican

59:25 Speaker 2: and find out if they're really if they care legally

59:28 Speaker 2: or not, and that we as a society had a

59:32 Speaker 2: long time ago said nobody in law enforcement should be

59:35 Speaker 2: able to what was the word I'm word searching here,

59:39 Speaker 2: what was the word for it? When you when you

59:42 Speaker 2: highlight somebody you're looking for a particular rates profiling? Thank you.

59:48 Speaker 2: Remember that was a big deal. It was in the

59:50 Speaker 2: news and they did away with racial profiling. We weren't

59:53 Speaker 2: going to allow that in law enforcement. Now now we're

59:56 Speaker 2: encouraging it. You know, now we're encouraging it. And that

1:00:01 Speaker 2: certainly isn't going to affect the uh, you know, the

1:00:05 Speaker 2: white africata, but it's sures heck is going to affect

1:00:07 Speaker 2: anybody whose skin is slightly brown. Miriam looks slightly Asian.

1:00:15 Speaker 3: Miriam says. In the chat room, my autistic kid had

1:00:17 Speaker 3: his hands held down on the table because he was

1:00:19 Speaker 3: fidgeting during a moment of silence. So I assume this

1:00:22 Speaker 3: was back in Texas. He wasn't making noise or hurting

1:00:25 Speaker 3: anyone or damaging property, and they basically used a form

1:00:27 Speaker 3: of restraint.

1:00:29 Speaker 2: Yes, yep, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. And and we're

1:00:33 Speaker 2: and now that's being brought back up. I mean, you

1:00:36 Speaker 2: go further with hegsas belief system. They believe that the

1:00:41 Speaker 2: Constant not just they want the Constitution, it is one thing,

1:00:45 Speaker 2: but they want the Ten Commandments in every classroom, and

1:00:49 Speaker 2: they want prior in every classroom. And you know, the

1:00:53 Speaker 2: every day should start with that. Every day should start

1:00:57 Speaker 2: with praising an idol, and you know, professing Christian belief

1:01:04 Speaker 2: his version of I want to clarify that his their

1:01:08 Speaker 2: version of Christianity, because there are a lot of good

1:01:11 Speaker 2: Christians out there that don't have these belief systems, right,

1:01:15 Speaker 2: you know, who do believe that a woman shouldn't be

1:01:18 Speaker 2: stripped of her individuality and be melded under the man

1:01:22 Speaker 2: in her household, be it her father, her brother, her husband,

1:01:28 Speaker 2: and these these people are in decision making positions now

1:01:32 Speaker 2: that are setting laws that are literally putting people in

1:01:35 Speaker 2: jail right in concentration styled camps.

1:01:40 Speaker 3: Miriam said in the chat, if someone isn't raised with religion,

1:01:42 Speaker 3: how would they choose the religion the right religion.

1:01:45 Speaker 2: Well, that's the fallacy, and.

1:01:48 Speaker 3: That's the basic that's the giant gaping logic hole in religion.

1:01:53 Speaker 2: Let me let me dive into that little hole and

1:01:55 Speaker 2: add to that, as somebody who wasn't raised in religion,

1:02:00 Speaker 2: of things from different sides, it was very easy to

1:02:03 Speaker 2: fall prey to somebody who said this is the right,

1:02:07 Speaker 2: this is the way, the truth is the light. Yeah,

1:02:09 Speaker 2: you know, nobody get it. You know, nobody gets to

1:02:11 Speaker 2: the father up by me. You know, when somebody you

1:02:14 Speaker 2: know is dearly beloved, he would say to us, Pastor

1:02:18 Speaker 2: drol Dearly beloved. You know, I was seventeen when I

1:02:22 Speaker 2: started going to that church, and this man convinced me

1:02:26 Speaker 2: that this is the way to go.

1:02:29 Speaker 4: All the women wore dresses, never pants.

1:02:32 Speaker 2: In fact, I got seen in a pair of jeans,

1:02:35 Speaker 2: and I felt shame h for being seed in jeans

1:02:40 Speaker 2: out in public, right because they made me feel that way,

1:02:45 Speaker 2: and the way the men carried themselves and the way

1:02:47 Speaker 2: the women carried themselves. Especially yeah, as as somebody who

1:02:53 Speaker 2: grew up with some serious issues, really crazy ass bad childhood,

1:02:59 Speaker 2: and somebody who wasn't secure in our own femininity to

1:03:02 Speaker 2: be around these women who are the ultimate feminine in

1:03:06 Speaker 2: skirts and phrillies and only their wedding bands, and maybe

1:03:11 Speaker 2: I don't think they wore any jewelry except the wedding band.

1:03:16 Speaker 2: That's the woman I'm supposed to be, and I'm not.

1:03:20 Speaker 2: What's wrong with me? My whole life was what's wrong

1:03:23 Speaker 2: with me? Why I like? And that was such an

1:03:28 Speaker 2: easy prey for right, I was really easy prey. And

1:03:33 Speaker 2: I ended up carrying those beliefs for most of my life,

1:03:38 Speaker 2: and my own thoughts would be pretty bad if I

1:03:41 Speaker 2: caught myself sinning, and now they're running the country and

1:03:48 Speaker 2: they're changing our classrooms, and they want the Bible in

1:03:51 Speaker 2: the classroom, and they want the Ten Commandments on the wall,

1:03:54 Speaker 2: and they want Christianity to rule over everything, including our governments.

1:04:00 Speaker 2: And anybody who's Hindu or a Muslim or Jewish or

1:04:04 Speaker 2: atheist or anything other than his brand is demon possessed.

1:04:13 Speaker 4: That's what he said. Demon that that pastor.

1:04:16 Speaker 2: And you've got I think we saw the video and

1:04:19 Speaker 2: you guys, yeah, that might be the one.

1:04:23 Speaker 4: I don't or it might have been.

1:04:24 Speaker 2: No, it might not be because it was one I

1:04:26 Speaker 2: was watching without you where he literally said, what's wrong

1:04:29 Speaker 2: with the world is that is is this demon possession?

1:04:33 Speaker 2: So base and that's part of what's right. So democrats

1:04:36 Speaker 2: are demons? Oh yeah, ideology is Satan stew right. That's

1:04:44 Speaker 2: what there's There's no more you know, people is people

1:04:49 Speaker 2: talking to each other.

1:04:52 Speaker 3: I have a I have a family member who sends

1:04:53 Speaker 3: me text messages that say things like that, and in

1:04:56 Speaker 3: the same text message, he'll criticize me for my ad

1:04:58 Speaker 3: hominem attacks on the right while he's calling me a

1:05:01 Speaker 3: demon rat and saying I.

1:05:03 Speaker 2: Believe in them, calling you all.

1:05:06 Speaker 3: This other stuff. Yeah, it's kind of it's kind of funny.

1:05:08 Speaker 2: How one should talk to somebody you love, is.

1:05:14 Speaker 3: I do have I do have one more video here

1:05:16 Speaker 3: of Pastor Wilson. I think we should grab this. Let's

1:05:21 Speaker 3: see which one didn't I blow this one.

1:05:22 Speaker 8: I didn't play yet. Women are the kind of people

1:05:24 Speaker 8: that people come out of.

1:05:26 Speaker 9: So you just think they're a bit to have babies there.

1:05:30 Speaker 8: No, it doesn't take any talent to simply reproduce biologically.

1:05:34 Speaker 8: The wife and mother who is the chief executive of

1:05:37 Speaker 8: the home is entrusted with three or four or five

1:05:42 Speaker 8: eternal souls.

1:05:43 Speaker 3: I'm here as a working By the way, notice he

1:05:46 Speaker 3: said three or four or five? Did you catch that?

1:05:50 Speaker 2: Yes?

1:05:50 Speaker 3: I did, because because a big part of their deal

1:05:52 Speaker 3: is a big part of their deal is have as

1:05:54 Speaker 3: many children as possible. Yes, have as many children as possible.

1:05:58 Speaker 3: That's a big that's a big part of.

1:06:00 Speaker 2: The correct children. Now, we got to give birth to

1:06:02 Speaker 2: the right, the right children.

1:06:04 Speaker 3: Yes, exactly.

1:06:05 Speaker 4: That's why you have to get anybody who's brown out

1:06:07 Speaker 4: of the country.

1:06:08 Speaker 3: Right. That must be. That must be what it is. Yeah,

1:06:10 Speaker 3: that's what I mean.

1:06:11 Speaker 2: That's my theory. Anyway, why we're rounding up human beings

1:06:15 Speaker 2: based on what they look like, right.

1:06:16 Speaker 9: A mom of three?

1:06:17 Speaker 8: Good for you?

1:06:18 Speaker 2: Is that an issue?

1:06:19 Speaker 8: No? No, it's not automatically an issue.

1:06:21 Speaker 10: Christ Church Senior past Wilson is the leader of a

1:06:24 Speaker 10: Christian national movement that believes in a patriarchal society where

1:06:29 Speaker 10: men are dominant and women are expected to submit to

1:06:31 Speaker 10: their husbands. Josh and Amy Prince got, with their four

1:06:35 Speaker 10: kids move from Washington State to Moscow, Idaho, where Wilson's

1:06:38 Speaker 10: movement is based.

1:06:40 Speaker 2: Do you see Amy as your equal?

1:06:43 Speaker 8: Yes?

1:06:43 Speaker 2: And no, in the sense that we're both saved by grace.

1:06:47 Speaker 2: We're absolutely on equal footing, but we have very different

1:06:50 Speaker 2: purposes God given.

1:06:52 Speaker 9: But do you see yourself as the head of the

1:06:55 Speaker 9: household as as the man?

1:06:56 Speaker 2: He is the head of our household? Yes, and I

1:07:00 Speaker 2: do submit to him.

1:07:01 Speaker 9: So like moving here, I was just going to your decision.

1:07:05 Speaker 2: Yes, that's a great, great example.

1:07:07 Speaker 10: Wilson says, in his vision of a Christian society, women

1:07:10 Speaker 10: as individuals shouldn't be able to vote. His fellow pastors

1:07:13 Speaker 10: Jared Longshore and Toby Sumpter agree.

1:07:16 Speaker 3: In my ideal society, we would vote as households, and

1:07:20 Speaker 3: I would ordinarily be the one that would cast the vote,

1:07:22 Speaker 3: but I would cast the vote having discussed it with

1:07:25 Speaker 3: my household. Really, Oh yeah, I trust you. I trust

1:07:33 Speaker 3: about it. We talked about it. Yeah, we discussed it.

1:07:36 Speaker 8: Yeah.

1:07:36 Speaker 9: But if there's a your wife doesn't want to vote

1:07:38 Speaker 9: for the same person as.

1:07:40 Speaker 8: You, right, well, then that's a great opportunity for a

1:07:42 Speaker 8: good discussion.

1:07:43 Speaker 2: There are some who have gone so far, you're still

1:07:45 Speaker 2: going to vote his way.

1:07:45 Speaker 9: I want the nineteenth the moment repealed.

1:07:47 Speaker 8: I would support that, and I support it on the

1:07:50 Speaker 8: basis that the atomization that comes with our current system

1:07:55 Speaker 8: is not good for humans.

1:07:57 Speaker 10: And Wilson, a veteran himself, is unapologize about his view

1:08:01 Speaker 10: that women shouldn't be in certain leadership or combat roles.

1:08:05 Speaker 9: Looking at the leadership page for christ Church, it's all men.

1:08:09 Speaker 9: Do you accept women and leadership roles in the church.

1:08:11 Speaker 8: And government in the church? No, because the Bible says

1:08:15 Speaker 8: it's not to Well, that's.

1:08:16 Speaker 2: Not what happens in the Bible.

1:08:18 Speaker 11: Women do lead all the time.

1:08:20 Speaker 10: Progressive Faith leader Reverend Jennifer Butler is concerned about Wilson's

1:08:24 Speaker 10: growing influence.

1:08:25 Speaker 11: He is rapidly gaining in power. He has hundreds of

1:08:29 Speaker 11: churches established around the country. They actually literally want to

1:08:33 Speaker 11: take over towns and cities, and they have access to

1:08:37 Speaker 11: this administration.

1:08:38 Speaker 10: Wilson's highest level connection to the administration is Defend Secretary

1:08:41 Speaker 10: Pete Hegseth.

1:08:42 Speaker 8: It's not organizationally tied to us, but it's the kind

1:08:47 Speaker 8: of thing we love to see.

1:08:48 Speaker 10: For his part, Hagseth has publicly praised Wilson.

1:08:51 Speaker 3: Now we're standing on the shoulders of a generation later,

1:08:55 Speaker 3: the Doug Wilson's and the other. So there you go.

1:08:59 Speaker 3: So yeah, he's so, this isn't something where you know,

1:09:02 Speaker 3: we're just making assumptions.

1:09:04 Speaker 2: Or no, we're literally repeating what these people are saying,

1:09:08 Speaker 2: like they're not hiding their crap anymore.

1:09:10 Speaker 3: It's Seth is all in, egg Seth is all in.

1:09:13 Speaker 2: They used to say only behind closed doors are out

1:09:17 Speaker 2: in the open now because they feel emboldened and they

1:09:20 Speaker 2: have the power and they're getting away with it.

1:09:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, unless you know, uh Miriam says, I was raised

1:09:29 Speaker 3: vaguely Protestant and my dad was agnostic. My mom left

1:09:33 Speaker 3: when oh, my mom felt we should be free to

1:09:35 Speaker 3: choose what to believe. So I tried a few things

1:09:38 Speaker 3: that was empowering, and what I found was that I

1:09:39 Speaker 3: didn't need it to be a good person. I like

1:09:42 Speaker 3: Unitarian Universalists because the idea is that the community is

1:09:45 Speaker 3: there to help you discover that best path for you.

1:09:51 Speaker 2: Now there's a story out of this Doug Wilson church

1:09:55 Speaker 2: and this, and you guys can look it up on

1:09:57 Speaker 2: your own. The story that I read, and that's I'm

1:10:01 Speaker 2: just repeating what I read is that he had a

1:10:04 Speaker 2: member in his church who was a pedophile, and he

1:10:11 Speaker 2: had worked with this man who repented and was forgiven,

1:10:18 Speaker 2: and then the church helped him find a wife, and

1:10:21 Speaker 2: then they had a baby boy who he then assaulted

1:10:27 Speaker 2: the baby boy, and then he went to the church

1:10:31 Speaker 2: and confessed that he assaulted that he a baby boy.

1:10:39 Speaker 2: And because he confessed and repented, he was forgiven.

1:10:45 Speaker 3: Oh good, So no need to get the law involved.

1:10:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing to see here, move along, wi.

1:10:54 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it.

1:10:54 Speaker 2: That's all you gotta do.

1:10:55 Speaker 5: That's sorry, you kill somebody, Oh god, God, we were

1:11:02 Speaker 5: all good, right hey?

1:11:03 Speaker 2: Sorry?

1:11:03 Speaker 3: Yeah?

1:11:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, So that's the bleef. That's the bleef. So this man,

1:11:07 Speaker 2: right that, this is this is the caliber of human

1:11:12 Speaker 2: And if you and the Handmaid's Tale, nothing in the

1:11:18 Speaker 2: Handmaid's Tale that I wrote was not something that had

1:11:23 Speaker 2: happened or is happening in this world. Every aspect of

1:11:27 Speaker 2: the society that she wrote about are things that actually happen,

1:11:32 Speaker 2: you know. And in the Handmaid's Tale, men can do

1:11:36 Speaker 2: no wrong, and they still have their plocivities, their kinks. Right.

1:11:47 Speaker 2: There's a place in the book where it's called Jezebel's

1:11:49 Speaker 2: where the commanders the men go and sleep with whatever

1:11:53 Speaker 2: woman is being kept there who is a sex slave,

1:11:57 Speaker 2: and then they go home to their dutiful wives and

1:12:00 Speaker 2: thumped the Bible. You know that that is what I

1:12:06 Speaker 2: see here, these these Bible thumping holier than now bastards

1:12:12 Speaker 2: who dehumanize their women and their daughters. And anybody who

1:12:19 Speaker 2: doesn't believe their way is a demon. You're either demon possessed,

1:12:24 Speaker 2: he said, or I don't know if it was ignorant

1:12:28 Speaker 2: or something, but he basically believes that anybody that doesn't

1:12:31 Speaker 2: believe the way he does is because they're demon possessed,

1:12:35 Speaker 2: like for reals, like they really do think that.

1:12:39 Speaker 4: So when they hurt somebody, they think they're hurting this demon.

1:12:44 Speaker 3: M it's a good work around. Yeah, yep, that's not

1:12:49 Speaker 3: about the hue.

1:12:50 Speaker 4: It's a demon calls women.

1:12:54 Speaker 2: Hunts parlots. Yeah, women are not supposed to be in

1:13:02 Speaker 2: charge because also they're devious.

1:13:06 Speaker 3: Remember the apples, that's where it all started.

1:13:11 Speaker 2: And have a pension for the evils.

1:13:17 Speaker 3: That must be where the word evil comes from. Eve

1:13:20 Speaker 3: never thought of that before.

1:13:21 Speaker 2: Actually I have to look that one up. I'm not sure.

1:13:23 Speaker 3: Yeah, I never thought of that till now.

1:13:25 Speaker 2: But I mean, when you really get into those belief systems,

1:13:32 Speaker 2: it is very powerful and very dangerous, and now it's

1:13:39 Speaker 2: being wielded against anybody who isn't one of them, anybody

1:13:44 Speaker 2: who isn't going to toe the line of one of them,

1:13:47 Speaker 2: Like if you're not the white heterosexual male that they

1:13:51 Speaker 2: want you to be, if you're supporting them, they're going

1:13:55 Speaker 2: to have you to dinner. Oh yeah. Ask a few

1:13:58 Speaker 2: people who are from Cuba they feel about that. Who

1:14:01 Speaker 2: had dinners with the Republicans down there, vote for us,

1:14:05 Speaker 2: We're going to give you back your nation, And now

1:14:08 Speaker 2: you can see videos of them crying. Yes, because they

1:14:13 Speaker 2: voted for Trump. They believed everything they said, and now

1:14:16 Speaker 2: their loved ones are being deported.

1:14:18 Speaker 3: YEP. I don't have any sympathy for them, just for

1:14:21 Speaker 3: the record, but I'm.

1:14:22 Speaker 4: Just saying this is how these people operate.

1:14:25 Speaker 2: Oh you're a black man, come on in, Come on, honey,

1:14:29 Speaker 2: just make sure you marry your own kind. Because if

1:14:32 Speaker 2: you think that doesn't exist in this type.

1:14:33 Speaker 3: Of sure church, you're wrong. Of course you're wrong.

1:14:37 Speaker 2: It totally does.

1:14:39 Speaker 4: And anybody who's not them is not equal to them.

1:14:43 Speaker 2: Think of a caste system, because that's basically what we're

1:14:46 Speaker 2: being set up into now. The uber elites are running everything.

1:14:51 Speaker 2: They're getting the tax breaks, they get ship tons of

1:14:54 Speaker 2: tax dollars. I mean, hard working people, citizens and nonsense,

1:15:00 Speaker 2: the sense get money taken out of their paychecks long

1:15:03 Speaker 2: before they ever see a dime. And that money is

1:15:06 Speaker 2: now going into the pockets of the people that we're

1:15:09 Speaker 2: talking about, and they're going into the CEOs of these

1:15:12 Speaker 2: companies that make twenty million dollars a year annual salary,

1:15:16 Speaker 2: never mind their perks and bonuses. Who the fuck needs

1:15:19 Speaker 2: twenty million dollars a year to live.

1:15:21 Speaker 3: Well, not only that, but look at people like Doug Wilson.

1:15:25 Speaker 3: You know, he lives very well. He's a very wealthy man.

1:15:28 Speaker 3: A lot of these these religious leaders are very, very wealthy.

1:15:32 Speaker 3: That's why I you know, and again, all.

1:15:35 Speaker 2: These churches, some of these churches a million dollar church,

1:15:38 Speaker 2: multi dollar churches.

1:15:39 Speaker 3: And you know, I get and again I get accused

1:15:41 Speaker 3: by a family member of being anti Christian when I

1:15:44 Speaker 3: say this stuff. But it's like, I'm actually not anti Christian.

1:15:47 Speaker 3: I think I think Gandhi was right. You know when

1:15:50 Speaker 3: Gandhi I can never get the exact quote right when

1:15:51 Speaker 3: he said, it's it's it's not it's not your christ

1:15:54 Speaker 3: I don't like. It's your Christians. I don't like because

1:15:57 Speaker 3: they're so unlike your christ Or as a friend of

1:15:59 Speaker 3: mine used to paraphrase, I have a friend who passed

1:16:02 Speaker 3: away a few years ago, but he used to say

1:16:04 Speaker 3: his version of that was Christianity is a great idea.

1:16:06 Speaker 3: Somebody should actually try it, because you know, these people

1:16:10 Speaker 3: so so blatantly, so flagrantly. I call it ironic Christianity,

1:16:16 Speaker 3: you know, which is this version of Christianity where you

1:16:20 Speaker 3: you say you love Christ and he's your savior while

1:16:23 Speaker 3: actively having as little to do as possible with anything

1:16:27 Speaker 3: Christ actually said or taught. And yeah, exactly exactly. That's

1:16:33 Speaker 3: why you know, I'm I'm I'm pretty skeptical about all

1:16:36 Speaker 3: of it, because I don't think any of these people. Actually,

1:16:39 Speaker 3: it's what.

1:16:39 Speaker 2: Does Jesus say, For I was a stranger in your

1:16:42 Speaker 2: land and you fed me? For I was a stranger.

1:16:45 Speaker 2: There's a whole section of the Bible, and Jesus says,

1:16:48 Speaker 2: you know, you fed me, you clothed me, you housed me,

1:16:52 Speaker 2: you did right by me. And then he goes after

1:16:54 Speaker 2: the people on the other side and he says, for

1:16:56 Speaker 2: I was a stranger in your land, and you did

1:16:58 Speaker 2: not feed me, and you did not clothe me. Yes,

1:17:03 Speaker 2: and he casts them down because they're not the real Christian.

1:17:08 Speaker 2: The real Christian is the one who brought them in.

1:17:12 Speaker 2: The real Christian is the one that goes over to

1:17:14 Speaker 2: the poor and feeds them and close them. And here's

1:17:18 Speaker 2: the kicker for you. Okay, the whole thing about government

1:17:22 Speaker 2: is not gonna doesn't want to do charity things. You know,

1:17:26 Speaker 2: we're not gonna. We shouldn't have food stamps. We should

1:17:28 Speaker 2: have churches with food banks, that's the answer. We shouldn't

1:17:31 Speaker 2: have free things because the churches will do it. These

1:17:36 Speaker 2: are the churches, and they're not doing it. And then, yeah,

1:17:40 Speaker 2: so the same people who are saying the church is

1:17:43 Speaker 2: to be doing it are the same people who are

1:17:44 Speaker 2: that the leaders in these churches who won't freaking.

1:17:48 Speaker 3: Do it right you want me? Yeah, sorry, I just

1:17:52 Speaker 3: wanted to say to be fair. So when we talk

1:17:54 Speaker 3: about this, you know, we're talking about the churches that

1:17:56 Speaker 3: are obviously all about the money, or at least obviously

1:17:58 Speaker 3: those of us who are looking at them with a

1:18:00 Speaker 3: critical eye. There are I just want to acknowledge that.

1:18:04 Speaker 3: You know, in communities all across the country, there are

1:18:07 Speaker 3: also small churches that actually do do things for the

1:18:11 Speaker 3: community like run soup kitchens and various charities and food

1:18:14 Speaker 3: drives and clothing drives and everything. So I want to

1:18:17 Speaker 3: acknowledge that too. I don't want to paint everybody with

1:18:19 Speaker 3: that because the yeah, there are people who are actually

1:18:24 Speaker 3: believe it or not trying to do Christ's work in

1:18:27 Speaker 3: communities all across the country, and they they need to

1:18:30 Speaker 3: be uh acknowledged and praised for that because they're actually

1:18:35 Speaker 3: they're actually doing something good. So we don't want to

1:18:37 Speaker 3: pay with a broadbrush. But we're talking about the Charlatans

1:18:40 Speaker 3: who unfortunately are the ones who get all the media coverage,

1:18:42 Speaker 3: who are who are not doing Christ's work. Because my

1:18:45 Speaker 3: theory is they're they're atheists. I always say this about televangelists.

1:18:50 Speaker 3: There's no way they actually believe in God, because if

1:18:52 Speaker 3: they like people like people.

1:18:55 Speaker 2: No, no, no, I.

1:18:55 Speaker 3: Don't think it's even that. I have a different theory

1:18:57 Speaker 3: about that. I know everyone says that, but I think no.

1:19:01 Speaker 3: I think they're full on atheists. I'll tell you why,

1:19:03 Speaker 3: because if there were any part of them that actually believed,

1:19:06 Speaker 3: wouldn't they be afraid of going to hell for what

1:19:10 Speaker 3: they do? I think they because.

1:19:16 Speaker 2: I so believe in what they're saying. When I lived

1:19:19 Speaker 2: a God lived in Kentucky years ago, I looked in

1:19:22 Speaker 2: Kentucky and I worked in a real sweatshop sewing factory.

1:19:27 Speaker 2: We made pajamas and I had to like sew sleeves

1:19:31 Speaker 2: onto these shirts, and you had to look at your machine.

1:19:35 Speaker 2: If you were caught looking at somebody else, you'd get

1:19:37 Speaker 2: yelled at in front of everybody and threatened with getting fired.

1:19:42 Speaker 2: No talking not they There were multiple times that Friday

1:19:47 Speaker 2: would roll around and they'd tell us that the banks

1:19:50 Speaker 2: screwed something up and when our paychecks weren't there, or

1:19:53 Speaker 2: you'd go to the bank to cash your paycheck and

1:19:55 Speaker 2: it would bounce.

1:19:57 Speaker 4: The wouldn't be any money left in the account if

1:19:58 Speaker 4: you didn't.

1:19:59 Speaker 2: Get there fast enough to hit your paycheck. But every

1:20:01 Speaker 2: Friday at three pm, we were to shut our machines

1:20:05 Speaker 2: off and they would play original Sin doctrine sermons over

1:20:12 Speaker 2: the speakers. If you didn't want to listen to it,

1:20:15 Speaker 2: you were supposed to go back to work. But if

1:20:17 Speaker 2: you turned your machine on and went back to work,

1:20:19 Speaker 2: somebody would yell at you that they couldn't hear the sermons. Right,

1:20:23 Speaker 2: He's seem holier than and they believed, Oh did they believe?

1:20:28 Speaker 1: Lord?

1:20:29 Speaker 3: I understand that.

1:20:30 Speaker 2: The office, and literally one of them came out of

1:20:34 Speaker 2: the office and said to me, the reason we weren't

1:20:36 Speaker 2: getting paid was because the fax machine messed up the

1:20:39 Speaker 2: numbers when they sent it. Yeah, So I told him

1:20:42 Speaker 2: I knew how our fax machine worked. And I went

1:20:43 Speaker 2: home with my paycheck, and I was told that I

1:20:46 Speaker 2: was to say nothing or I would be fired, and

1:20:47 Speaker 2: so would my husband. But these are the same people here.

1:20:52 Speaker 2: These guys make so much money off of the faithful,

1:20:56 Speaker 2: but they believe wholeheartedly that God wants them to do this.

1:21:01 Speaker 2: God wants them to have these things just to clarify

1:21:04 Speaker 2: that the hard.

1:21:06 Speaker 3: Work that they're doing, it's it's it's called it's called

1:21:09 Speaker 3: prosperity gospel. But what I'm I'm just saying, I'm talking

1:21:12 Speaker 3: about the people at the very top, the very top,

1:21:15 Speaker 3: like Kenneth Copeland, Paula White, Joel Olstein. I just I.

1:21:19 Speaker 2: Personally she excused.

1:21:22 Speaker 3: No, No, No, that's what I'm saying. I believe I

1:21:24 Speaker 3: believe that they don't believe at all. I'm saying this

1:21:27 Speaker 3: is purely.

1:21:27 Speaker 2: A business that I'm surprised that you say that.

1:21:33 Speaker 3: Did I say what that?

1:21:34 Speaker 2: You don't think they're real believers?

1:21:38 Speaker 3: You're you're surprised.

1:21:39 Speaker 2: No, I don't.

1:21:39 Speaker 3: I don't think. I don't think that's what I'm Yeah,

1:21:42 Speaker 3: I don't think Paula Whit they really.

1:21:44 Speaker 2: I do believe she does. I do think she's a

1:21:46 Speaker 2: true believer. I think she so believes that she's been

1:21:51 Speaker 2: chosen by this power that if she gets us stinging

1:21:54 Speaker 2: in her foot, it's God's telling her something.

1:21:56 Speaker 3: No, it's a business. It's a business to them. It's

1:21:59 Speaker 3: a business to them.

1:22:02 Speaker 2: I will agree to disagree with you.

1:22:03 Speaker 3: I mean, who knows, I mean, who knows? I don't know.

1:22:05 Speaker 3: I don't know what what goes on in their brains

1:22:07 Speaker 3: are in their hearts. But no, I don't. That's always

1:22:10 Speaker 3: been my theory that that I'm talking about. I'm talking

1:22:12 Speaker 3: about the really rich televangelists like Paula White, Joel Oldstein.

1:22:17 Speaker 3: I don't. I don't think they believe. I don't think

1:22:21 Speaker 3: that they actually believe that there's a deity who's going

1:22:24 Speaker 3: to judge them when they die. Because if they actually

1:22:26 Speaker 3: believed that, wouldn't they be afraid to to do what

1:22:30 Speaker 3: they do?

1:22:30 Speaker 2: And this is you see all right, let me let

1:22:34 Speaker 2: me say I lived in Kentucky for three years, and

1:22:37 Speaker 2: you want to talk about uber uber Christian like these

1:22:41 Speaker 2: people are Christians you've never met.

1:22:43 Speaker 3: No, but that's not who I'm talking about.

1:22:46 Speaker 2: But that's what I know. I disagree with you there.

1:22:50 Speaker 2: These people are those people. They are those believers that

1:22:56 Speaker 2: carry it like a badge of courage, and they truly

1:22:59 Speaker 2: believe this magical inside them. When that woman stands up

1:23:03 Speaker 2: Ryan and she believes that God is going to give

1:23:06 Speaker 2: her the strength to move a hurricane with a stick

1:23:11 Speaker 2: while she's speaking in tongues.

1:23:13 Speaker 3: Yes, oh yes, she knows, she knows.

1:23:20 Speaker 4: They believe that ship Lockstock and barrel.

1:23:23 Speaker 2: They'll fight you over it. They'll kill you. My actually,

1:23:27 Speaker 2: my father in law Breton to shoot me. He was

1:23:31 Speaker 2: gonna like threaten to kill me. What I'm talking about

1:23:34 Speaker 2: me accuse me of doing witchcraft lighting high.

1:23:37 Speaker 3: No, I understand that. But I'm talking about the people.

1:23:40 Speaker 2: Met these people. I've met these people. I've met some

1:23:43 Speaker 2: of these people who are a ship ton of money

1:23:45 Speaker 2: and they justify it.

1:23:47 Speaker 3: I'm talking about the people at the though they believe.

1:23:53 Speaker 2: Oh no, I think they believe it. I think they're

1:23:56 Speaker 2: firm believers.

1:23:56 Speaker 3: I don't think you think Joel. You think Joel actually

1:23:59 Speaker 3: belie as a God to judge him when he dies, Yes, yes, but.

1:24:04 Speaker 2: He doesn't believe God's going to judge him poorly. They

1:24:07 Speaker 2: don't fear the judgment. You got to understand something too, honey.

1:24:11 Speaker 2: A lot of these people believe that once in grace,

1:24:15 Speaker 2: always in grace, once you're saved, you're always saved, right.

1:24:18 Speaker 3: Which gives a well, which gives you a perpetual get

1:24:21 Speaker 3: out of jail.

1:24:22 Speaker 2: Free ever you commit, I'm always in grace. And if

1:24:25 Speaker 2: you don't believe one hundred percent and that you believe that,

1:24:28 Speaker 2: once you repent, you're fine, as long as you ask

1:24:32 Speaker 2: God for forgiveness, you go to heaven.

1:24:34 Speaker 4: So no matter what you do, even if you come

1:24:36 Speaker 4: to believe.

1:24:37 Speaker 2: That something you did was wrong, as long as you

1:24:40 Speaker 2: prayed on it and turned it over to God left

1:24:44 Speaker 2: it on the altar.

1:24:46 Speaker 3: Well so well, So do you believe that Trump actually

1:24:49 Speaker 3: believes all of his own bullshit? Or is this a

1:24:51 Speaker 3: con See I apply the same sea. I look at

1:24:54 Speaker 3: Trumps the same way I look at these televangelists, because

1:24:56 Speaker 3: I also know that the Trump is a con man,

1:24:59 Speaker 3: and he's just con to millions of people who are

1:25:01 Speaker 3: gullible enough to believe he.

1:25:03 Speaker 2: Found he tapped in and realized how much power there

1:25:11 Speaker 2: Isn't that Because if they stand in front of you

1:25:14 Speaker 2: with the Bible preaching gospel, and preaching gospel means you're

1:25:19 Speaker 2: saying anything godly. So Trump's standing there with the Bible

1:25:24 Speaker 2: and saying something godly is God.

1:25:28 Speaker 3: This is God.

1:25:29 Speaker 2: Moving through him. Say you believe it? Looks that's why

1:25:33 Speaker 2: he can't do anything wrong because God is directing it

1:25:36 Speaker 2: all right, and as a plan for it.

1:25:38 Speaker 3: They believe he was chosen by God.

1:25:41 Speaker 2: Only he knows.

1:25:42 Speaker 4: What You cannot understand the wonders of the Lord. You

1:25:46 Speaker 4: have to put your faith in trust in it.

1:25:48 Speaker 3: And that's why to win.

1:25:51 Speaker 2: He wanted to win.

1:25:52 Speaker 4: He also wanted to stay out of jail. And he

1:25:54 Speaker 4: saw that these people latched on and he realized that

1:25:57 Speaker 4: if he gave them the Christianity they were looking for,

1:26:02 Speaker 4: they'd be in like crazy all over him. And that's

1:26:04 Speaker 4: exactly what's happened.

1:26:06 Speaker 2: All he does is give them what they want, and

1:26:09 Speaker 2: they're happy, and he keeps them and he keeps their

1:26:12 Speaker 2: their support and their favoritism and all of that, and

1:26:15 Speaker 2: that's all he kids about. I don't think he knows

1:26:18 Speaker 2: shit about the freaking Bible. Anybody who stands there and

1:26:21 Speaker 2: goes two Corinthians has never read the fucking Bible, because

1:26:25 Speaker 2: you don't even know how it works. Well.

1:26:27 Speaker 3: My favorite, my favorite clip of all time was when

1:26:31 Speaker 3: side down, No No, When who's at John Heilman and

1:26:35 Speaker 3: who is the other guy? Rob Halprin. This was back

1:26:38 Speaker 3: during the twenty sixteen campaign when they asked him after

1:26:40 Speaker 3: a debate, was he you know if he had a

1:26:43 Speaker 3: specific passage in the Bible that He's like, oh no,

1:26:47 Speaker 3: I like all of it. And they ask him, well,

1:26:48 Speaker 3: are you of a more of an Old Testament guy

1:26:49 Speaker 3: or a New Testament guy, and he goes, well, you know,

1:26:52 Speaker 3: I think I like them both equally, and it's like

1:26:55 Speaker 3: he's but but and yet these Christian conservatives are so

1:27:00 Speaker 3: easily conned by it.

1:27:01 Speaker 2: And they also they have a told them very much

1:27:04 Speaker 2: to New Testament. Only Old Testament. It was done away

1:27:08 Speaker 2: with with God was fulfilled by Jesus. So you follow

1:27:12 Speaker 2: the New Testament.

1:27:13 Speaker 4: The Old Testament isn't needed anymore.

1:27:17 Speaker 3: Well, but the but the Old Well, but they go

1:27:21 Speaker 3: to the Old Testament. Works.

1:27:23 Speaker 2: Of course, they validate shit, they'll validate stories or whatever

1:27:27 Speaker 2: you testament, but that's not how you live by. You

1:27:30 Speaker 2: live by what's in the New Testament and what Jesus said.

1:27:34 Speaker 2: So we're not doing burnt offers. No, they don't do

1:27:36 Speaker 2: thats goal.

1:27:37 Speaker 4: We moved to Sundays instead of Saturdays.

1:27:40 Speaker 3: But they don't give a about They don't give a

1:27:42 Speaker 3: shit about Jesus either though, like that don't I mean,

1:27:45 Speaker 3: I mean, they love him and they accept him as

1:27:46 Speaker 3: a savior, but they don't actually care about anything you

1:27:48 Speaker 3: said or did.

1:27:49 Speaker 4: Oh, they do.

1:27:50 Speaker 2: They believe it. I'm living a godly life by following

1:27:54 Speaker 2: Jesus's teachings.

1:27:55 Speaker 3: But they don't. Though they don't they don't.

1:27:57 Speaker 2: Believe they are, they firmly want hundred percent believe they are.

1:28:01 Speaker 4: Well, I think I think they believe it.

1:28:04 Speaker 3: I think they kind of treat Jesus like he's like

1:28:07 Speaker 3: the drunk uncle at Thanksgiving, Like you know, we love him,

1:28:11 Speaker 3: he's part of the family. But if Jesus wants to

1:28:13 Speaker 3: just go to bed now and not say anything else

1:28:15 Speaker 3: crazy like you know, you should take care of poor

1:28:17 Speaker 3: people or not let children start over something. We've had

1:28:21 Speaker 3: enough of that, Jesus.

1:28:21 Speaker 2: Why don't you just going on to skip those pots

1:28:23 Speaker 2: that are inconvenient.

1:28:25 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, of course it's all inconvenient.

1:28:28 Speaker 4: They think, and they twist.

1:28:29 Speaker 2: You know, take take any section of Scripture, hand it

1:28:33 Speaker 2: to ten Christians and they're all going to come up

1:28:34 Speaker 2: with who can you know, they'll come up with ten

1:28:36 Speaker 2: different versions of what they think it says.

1:28:38 Speaker 3: Well, yeah, because it's based on whatever they want it to.

1:28:40 Speaker 2: Be exactly exactly. I'll justify my belief. I'll find a

1:28:45 Speaker 2: verse that justify this one fits me. And that's how

1:28:49 Speaker 2: it works. I can justify anything I want to believe.

1:28:52 Speaker 2: Look at Doug believes that slavery was good for people.

1:28:58 Speaker 4: Doug Wilson is the one that said slavery was good

1:29:01 Speaker 4: for people.

1:29:02 Speaker 3: That's a common narrative among his ilk. Yeah.

1:29:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, and they believe that shit and they justify it

1:29:08 Speaker 2: biblically because you're supposed to be good to your slaves.

1:29:10 Speaker 4: It's in the Bible. They were good Christians.

1:29:13 Speaker 2: They were good to their slaves. See, yeah, that's real.

1:29:17 Speaker 2: These people like I've been I'm telling you, these people

1:29:20 Speaker 2: will kill you for their belief. That's how strong the

1:29:24 Speaker 2: belief is. It is one hundred percent. And everything you

1:29:29 Speaker 2: do becomes for God. For God. It's that marching order,

1:29:34 Speaker 2: and you justify and they justify it. They for I

1:29:38 Speaker 2: believe that the vast majority of the fuckers think they're

1:29:42 Speaker 2: doing the right thing under their faith.

1:29:46 Speaker 4: But Trump is doing.

1:29:48 Speaker 2: Money hex Seth. I think he might be fucked up

1:29:52 Speaker 2: and truly believe this shit because he's been a part

1:29:54 Speaker 2: of it long before he might orbit. He has been

1:29:58 Speaker 2: a part of this a long time.

1:30:00 Speaker 3: Yeah.

1:30:01 Speaker 2: He took the he took the portrait down of the

1:30:04 Speaker 2: first black woman to become an I think it was

1:30:08 Speaker 2: an admiral. There was a he took stuff down in

1:30:12 Speaker 2: the Pentagon that had to do with women. If it

1:30:15 Speaker 2: was a woman, somebody who was gay, or somebody was transgender,

1:30:19 Speaker 2: it got scrubbed because remember when he first started scrubbing shit,

1:30:23 Speaker 2: the dumb ass scrubbed the aola gay, they scrubbed. Yeah

1:30:32 Speaker 2: too woke, but he woke is now also making a

1:30:35 Speaker 2: building accessible for a disabled person to get.

1:30:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, well, anything anything, they don't even know what the

1:30:40 Speaker 3: word means. Just anything they don't like is woke.

1:30:42 Speaker 2: Woke, and all Democrats are demons. I miss it the

1:30:46 Speaker 2: days when people politically could disagree but debate one another,

1:30:51 Speaker 2: work in you know, work for the greater good of

1:30:53 Speaker 2: our country, because we want I don't want Trump to fail.

1:30:59 Speaker 2: He think else my country fails.

1:31:01 Speaker 3: You want.

1:31:03 Speaker 2: I want my country to prosper.

1:31:04 Speaker 3: You want your country to succeed.

1:31:06 Speaker 2: Exactly. But what we're we're we're undoing decades of good works,

1:31:13 Speaker 2: you know, pulling special like kids out of school and

1:31:16 Speaker 2: reinstitutionalizing them. Why are we doing this? You don't want

1:31:20 Speaker 2: because they don't want kids to know how to work

1:31:24 Speaker 2: with disabled people, or they just want to put I

1:31:27 Speaker 2: swear they want to take anybody who's disabled or special

1:31:30 Speaker 2: needs and just lock them away in a facility. Because

1:31:33 Speaker 2: if you can't make the money and you can't serve them,

1:31:36 Speaker 2: you have no purpose on this earth for them. And

1:31:40 Speaker 2: these rich pricks live in a different world than us.

1:31:43 Speaker 2: You and I and all of probably ninety ers, probably

1:31:46 Speaker 2: all of our listeners don't live in the same world

1:31:49 Speaker 2: of these people. They don't shop in the grocery store

1:31:52 Speaker 2: like you do. They don't go to the same clothing

1:31:54 Speaker 2: stores that you do. They don't drive the way that

1:31:56 Speaker 2: they don't do anything the way you do. Things are

1:31:59 Speaker 2: laid out for them because they're that rich. They set

1:32:02 Speaker 2: it up ahead of time. And we have a greed

1:32:05 Speaker 2: issue in this country. That's what we have. When a

1:32:09 Speaker 2: healthcare CEO wakes twenty five million dollars a year, or

1:32:12 Speaker 2: even a million dollars a year, but you're going to

1:32:16 Speaker 2: raise the premiums and you're taking away dental care from

1:32:18 Speaker 2: people on Medicare because they use too much of it

1:32:22 Speaker 2: the insurance they paid for, but because they used too

1:32:25 Speaker 2: much of it, because you don't have the money for

1:32:27 Speaker 2: their care, but you have money for multimillion dollar salaries

1:32:33 Speaker 2: and payout and two private jets.

1:32:37 Speaker 4: You won't fly with the peasants. These are the people

1:32:40 Speaker 4: running the country.

1:32:41 Speaker 2: On that part with you, I do agree, but I

1:32:43 Speaker 2: do think that Paula White is a real believer.

1:32:46 Speaker 3: Trump no, oh no, Trump definitely not Hexas.

1:32:50 Speaker 2: I think he's a believer and paul A White, I

1:32:53 Speaker 2: think she's a believer.

1:32:54 Speaker 3: It's a business.

1:32:55 Speaker 2: I think it's I think she is.

1:32:57 Speaker 3: No way, it's a business, all right, But you well,

1:33:02 Speaker 3: should we just about an hour and a half, should

1:33:04 Speaker 3: we put a button on this one?

1:33:06 Speaker 2: I think we can put a button on this one?

1:33:08 Speaker 3: You want to remind people about your article?

1:33:11 Speaker 2: Yes, my article is up on common Dreams and I

1:33:14 Speaker 2: have not put a link on my website, but I

1:33:16 Speaker 2: will do that today. Please go to my website which

1:33:18 Speaker 2: is Jencoffee dot com j E N N C O

1:33:21 Speaker 2: F F E y dot com. If you can see

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1:33:30 Speaker 2: or anything you want to talk about. Check it out.

1:33:34 Speaker 3: Jack l All right, very good, very good. On the

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1:34:47 Speaker 2: That's some wrestling going on.

1:34:49 Speaker 3: That's right, that's right, all right. I guess that's gonna

1:34:52 Speaker 3: do it for us for now. We'll talk to you

1:34:53 Speaker 3: a little bit later. By everybody, Bye bye.

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