Matt Connarton Unleashed 8-23-25 hour 2

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1:32 Speaker 5: and Jammy, thanks Jerry, Welcome back everybody. We have entered

1:37 Speaker 5: our number two numerow dose of Matt Connorton Unleashed. We

1:40 Speaker 5: are live from the studios of wm NH ninety five

1:43 Speaker 5: point three FM and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. Today is Saturday,

1:47 Speaker 5: August twenty third, twenty twenty five. Jenny is here at

1:50 Speaker 5: the news table, President and accounted for and joining us

1:54 Speaker 5: online right now. Charles Richardson from the Charles Richardson Show.

1:59 Speaker 5: Charles are you there?

2:00 Speaker 1: Yes? Also President accounted for, Yes.

2:03 Speaker 5: Yes, Wow, you brought a crowd. I love it. A

2:07 Speaker 5: studio audience. How are you, man? How are you?

2:11 Speaker 1: Absolutely this has been this is being recorded in front

2:14 Speaker 1: of a live studio audience.

2:15 Speaker 5: That's amazing.

2:16 Speaker 1: But not really.

2:17 Speaker 5: Oh okay, I was gonna say.

2:19 Speaker 1: I'm listening to I was, I was listening to the intro.

2:22 Speaker 1: I was just coming out and said, listen. Even Will

2:24 Speaker 1: Ferrell's movies have a only a significant number of outtakes.

2:29 Speaker 1: I mean, that was just that was that was brutal.

2:32 Speaker 1: So I'm glad. I think, get done.

2:36 Speaker 5: Yeah it it just took a little bit, but not

2:38 Speaker 5: I love outtakes.

2:42 Speaker 1: So now things are right down here. It's not ninety

2:45 Speaker 1: eight and sweating, so but it is what it is

2:48 Speaker 1: in Florida.

2:49 Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, I always get a little bit, you know,

2:52 Speaker 5: because here, you know, you get to this point in

2:55 Speaker 5: August it starts to cool off, and I get a

2:57 Speaker 5: little melancholy about it because summer is my favorite time

3:00 Speaker 5: of year. I love summer, and when it starts slipping away,

3:03 Speaker 5: it's like I don't like it. I don't mind the heat,

3:06 Speaker 5: you know, so, but it's humid where you.

3:10 Speaker 1: Are, right, Yeah.

3:13 Speaker 5: Most people, most people think I'm strange. I'm not a

3:14 Speaker 5: fan of winter. So whenever it starts to feel too

3:17 Speaker 5: hot to me, I just think about winter and how

3:19 Speaker 5: much I don't like the cold, and then I'm fine

3:22 Speaker 5: and I can live with it pretty easily.

3:26 Speaker 1: Then you you and I need to like trade places.

3:29 Speaker 1: Get back up there to my mine down here where

3:32 Speaker 1: where you're comfortable.

3:33 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, so uh now.

3:36 Speaker 1: How would how would Jenny? How would Jenny treat the

3:39 Speaker 1: heat down here?

3:40 Speaker 6: I actually spent a lot of my childhood in Florida,

3:44 Speaker 6: nice place to visit, but I wouldn't want to live there.

3:46 Speaker 5: Yeah.

3:47 Speaker 6: Yeah, Jenny does not do well in humidity, right, Jenny, No,

3:52 Speaker 6: definitely ramps up symptoms. So I end up stuck in

3:56 Speaker 6: the air conditioning.

3:57 Speaker 5: Yeah, so, which I never used to.

4:00 Speaker 6: Be one for air conditioning, right, Like, what is it

4:03 Speaker 6: hot a week in the summer?

4:04 Speaker 5: Yeah? We don't need that right now?

4:06 Speaker 4: It's like, is there ever a week I'm not running it?

4:09 Speaker 5: Yeah? Yeah, it's gonna be about eighty six today, so

4:13 Speaker 5: not not bad. But yeah, when it gets up above ninety, yeah,

4:16 Speaker 5: then Jenny's usually ready for the air conditioning. But so, now,

4:22 Speaker 5: do you want to give us any before we I

4:24 Speaker 5: know we're going to talk some wrestling and and I

4:27 Speaker 5: don't know if you've been listening to the Tough Pumps

4:29 Speaker 5: podcast Eric Pilter and I do. And by the way,

4:32 Speaker 5: I did invite Eric to join us if you wanted,

4:33 Speaker 5: but I know with his schedule it might not be

4:36 Speaker 5: possible for him. So but if not, he'll hear this later.

4:38 Speaker 5: But do you want to give us a do you

4:40 Speaker 5: want to talk at all about the Charles Richardson show

4:42 Speaker 5: for because longtime listeners of this program are familiar with

4:45 Speaker 5: you and with the Charles Richardson show, of course, but

4:47 Speaker 5: you haven't been on with us in a while, so

4:49 Speaker 5: newer listeners might not know. So for the uninitiated, do

4:52 Speaker 5: you want to tell us about about your show?

4:56 Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely, it's a it's a very lame comparison to

4:59 Speaker 1: your show. Interviews we don't do. So it is basically

5:06 Speaker 1: a hodgepodge of topics that were just throwing together. Uh,

5:09 Speaker 1: some humorous, some serious. Uh. Me and my wife usually

5:13 Speaker 1: do it. We do have a couple of other co

5:15 Speaker 1: hosts have recently joined us that kind of pop in

5:18 Speaker 1: and out every now and then. So I'm getting back

5:21 Speaker 1: to a formula where it's gonna be more fun. We uh,

5:25 Speaker 1: I think Monday's show we had not Monday, it's the

5:28 Speaker 1: last Wednesday show. We had everybody join us. So with

5:32 Speaker 1: those like four co hosts on there, so I was

5:34 Speaker 1: able to run Jeopardy. Uh So it was actually it

5:37 Speaker 1: was actually be cool the first time I had a

5:39 Speaker 1: game on oh in so long, and it was so

5:43 Speaker 1: much fun it and time flow. It was just like, man,

5:47 Speaker 1: we gotta go already. Yeah, So it was a lot

5:50 Speaker 1: of fun to have a whole bunch of people on.

5:52 Speaker 5: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. And what's the schedule for

5:54 Speaker 5: the show. When are you on?

5:58 Speaker 1: Uh? Whenever I feel like no, So it's Monday and

6:01 Speaker 1: Monday and Wednesday is the scheduled days eight pm to

6:04 Speaker 1: ten pm Eastern Time. And we're on primarily Facebook and YouTube.

6:11 Speaker 1: And my flagship station now is a music station, no

6:15 Speaker 1: competitive to yours. It's called Power one Radio. It's the

6:20 Speaker 1: number one and we primarily played twenty four to seven,

6:23 Speaker 1: with the exception of the show eighties and nineties dancing.

6:27 Speaker 1: Oh okay, tempo, high energy if you ever been to

6:30 Speaker 1: that that that's awesome and Christian. If you still want

6:33 Speaker 1: to DJ, you're welcome to if you.

6:35 Speaker 5: Want oh interesting, interesting? What are are they looking for

6:40 Speaker 5: or are you? I don't know. I don't know how

6:41 Speaker 5: much involvement you have in that station, Like, is the

6:44 Speaker 5: station looking for DJs?

6:47 Speaker 1: It's it's it's my it's my personal creation and.

6:50 Speaker 5: It is Oh so you are oh very cool.

6:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't. I don't have a lot of like

6:59 Speaker 1: involvement right now. I'm just kind of overshadowing. I'm like

7:02 Speaker 1: a silent partner to my own partner, okayt me. So

7:07 Speaker 1: it's like I make sure the station is running, and

7:10 Speaker 1: I have the the sweepers and everything that are running through,

7:15 Speaker 1: and I make sure the bills are paid. But as

7:18 Speaker 1: far as getting a lineup going, it wasn't like it

7:22 Speaker 1: used to be like around five six years ago, where

7:24 Speaker 1: I actually had a weekend lineup, hip hop lineup on

7:28 Speaker 1: Wednesday Monday, we had a techno lineup. So it was

7:33 Speaker 1: pretty interactive back then. But eventually, when I go ahead

7:37 Speaker 1: and get a little bit more time, I'll go ahead

7:38 Speaker 1: and ramp it up. But yeah, that's primarily where the

7:42 Speaker 1: show runs. Facebook, YouTube, and that station just searched the

7:47 Speaker 1: Charles Richardson show for all my Facebook crap and YouTube crap.

7:51 Speaker 5: Okay, okay, yeah, And of course people can google it

7:55 Speaker 5: to You're very googleable if you're looking for the show.

7:58 Speaker 1: You know.

7:58 Speaker 5: It's funny you mentioned you mentioned about you know, not

8:02 Speaker 5: always necessarily being consistent with with when it's on. I've

8:06 Speaker 5: been having conversations with people recently about because you know, obviously,

8:11 Speaker 5: when you're doing a show on FM radio, you know,

8:13 Speaker 5: we're we're in a set time, you know, every week.

8:16 Speaker 5: But with the podcasting, because I have a couple of

8:19 Speaker 5: different podcasts that I'm involved in like Tough Bumps that

8:23 Speaker 5: I do with Eric, and there's another, uh, there's a

8:25 Speaker 5: political podcast that I'm doing now called Hanging Left with

8:28 Speaker 5: Todd Air. And we've even brought back the podcast version

8:33 Speaker 5: of this show for you know, conversations and things that

8:36 Speaker 5: we want to do that are not that do not

8:37 Speaker 5: fit the current format of the radio version of the show,

8:40 Speaker 5: but we haven't been doing those. None of the podcasts

8:44 Speaker 5: that I'm currently doing are on any particular schedule because

8:49 Speaker 5: I've noticed over the past few years especially that a

8:53 Speaker 5: lot of and this is a this is something I

8:55 Speaker 5: talk about with Todd about the political podcast that we do,

8:59 Speaker 5: because I use as an example a lot of the

9:01 Speaker 5: political streamers now, like the ones you see, especially the

9:03 Speaker 5: ones you see on Twitch. There's a lot of political

9:05 Speaker 5: streamers on Twitch, but then they also stream on YouTube.

9:08 Speaker 5: They're not really on a set schedule. They're using more

9:11 Speaker 5: of the it's on when it's on approach, but they

9:14 Speaker 5: have a lot of success with it because what they

9:16 Speaker 5: do is, you know, they really build up their social

9:20 Speaker 5: media accounts, They get as many people as they can

9:22 Speaker 5: on social media, and then when they're going live, a

9:25 Speaker 5: notification goes out. I'm live, and then people see the

9:28 Speaker 5: notifications and they either join the show or they just

9:31 Speaker 5: get it later, right, Because that's one of the great

9:33 Speaker 5: things about a podcast. You can access it whenever you

9:36 Speaker 5: want to. And that formula seems to be working really well.

9:39 Speaker 5: There's a lot of successful streamers that they're not on

9:42 Speaker 5: a set schedule. They it's on when it's on. If

9:45 Speaker 5: you see it live, great, you see the notification, you

9:47 Speaker 5: click in live great. If not, you get it later,

9:50 Speaker 5: you know it's going out on all the podcasting platforms anyway,

9:53 Speaker 5: So it almost doesn't matter. And I feel like that's

9:55 Speaker 5: the way things are going. I mean, what's your thought

9:59 Speaker 5: on that.

10:01 Speaker 1: My thought is that is a great way. If you're

10:04 Speaker 1: a social media mongol like that and you can market

10:08 Speaker 1: and you can do all that stuff, that's a great

10:11 Speaker 1: way to do it. Ye me. I've been dreaming of

10:14 Speaker 1: being a radio announcer since I was ten. Yeah, I

10:18 Speaker 1: got I got my itch when I heard a talk

10:21 Speaker 1: show and this guy was just being edgy. I'm thinking,

10:25 Speaker 1: that's who I want to be. I want to do

10:27 Speaker 1: that that. I want to be heard on multiple stations

10:30 Speaker 1: all over the country. Ye I want to be that.

10:33 Speaker 1: And it wasn't how it's turned. It was a local

10:34 Speaker 1: dude in Miami. But that's who I want to be. Yeah,

10:37 Speaker 1: and ever since then, that's kind of what I have

10:42 Speaker 1: this show done for. It's yes, I'm not making any

10:46 Speaker 1: money on it. I don't. I do it for the

10:48 Speaker 1: love of it because this is what I've always dreamed

10:50 Speaker 1: of want to be. It's something I have a drive

10:52 Speaker 1: for thirty plus years. I'm still I'm still gunning with

10:57 Speaker 1: a microphone. Hell, transform in my garage now we're actually

11:02 Speaker 1: finally got the money, transform it, building it into a

11:05 Speaker 1: studio slash art area for my wife. And this this

11:10 Speaker 1: this separate bedroom where I'm in right now is going

11:15 Speaker 1: to be now my kids play area. But still with

11:18 Speaker 1: the idea of doing a show, expanding it, not making

11:22 Speaker 1: any money on it. That just shows you, like kind

11:26 Speaker 1: of like in depth of how I want to be.

11:29 Speaker 1: And yes, you're right, it's whenever I can. But I

11:32 Speaker 1: want to fit a schedule. I do want to keep

11:34 Speaker 1: a schedule, like I'm on that FM radio or on radio.

11:38 Speaker 1: I want to keep that type of schedule because I

11:40 Speaker 1: like doing live. I think if I had the reach,

11:44 Speaker 1: if I had the reach, I'd be better interactive live

11:48 Speaker 1: podcast is like I mean, it's a certain niche for

11:53 Speaker 1: certain people. I mean, if you have my one good

11:57 Speaker 1: friend who does a wrestling podcast which I'm on now.

12:00 Speaker 1: He actually does his recordings usually one or two days

12:05 Speaker 1: a week, depending on how he feels, and he records

12:07 Speaker 1: it and drops it, and he's able to be successful.

12:10 Speaker 1: He's market it and advertise it. I'm not a marketing guy.

12:14 Speaker 1: So that's where I lack. If I was a marketing guy,

12:17 Speaker 1: I'd probably be as popular as Logan Paul or Joe Rogan,

12:20 Speaker 1: right right, I'd be I'd be raking at the dollars.

12:25 Speaker 1: But unfortunately that's not me.

12:27 Speaker 5: So what's the podcast that you're doing? Tell us about it?

12:31 Speaker 5: The wrestling podcast.

12:32 Speaker 1: So the podcast is the podcast that's called the Josh

12:36 Speaker 1: Zodiac Podcast. It stars him his brother called the Psycho Nerd.

12:42 Speaker 1: Don't even ask me and and myself. So, and there's

12:49 Speaker 1: a there's another co host that he's that he's brought

12:52 Speaker 1: on and she's pretty good too. She's very knowledgeable. And

12:55 Speaker 1: when we were doing the live pls, I do the

12:58 Speaker 1: live recording. He does the podcast. Okay, So when there's

13:01 Speaker 1: a live pl E a big one, I'm usually the

13:05 Speaker 1: one that does it through my channel and he joins

13:08 Speaker 1: in with with everybody and you know we cover the matches. Yeah,

13:12 Speaker 1: but but he does this, it's like an hour. It's

13:15 Speaker 1: it's an hour podcast and discuss various different topics, usually

13:18 Speaker 1: about Ross SmackDown and what's going on with the next

13:22 Speaker 1: p l E or other wrestling rumors. Like we talked

13:25 Speaker 1: about Hogan, we talked about Carrying Cross and Scarlett not

13:30 Speaker 1: being re signed, we talked about how bad they are.

13:34 Speaker 1: It's just it's just completely uh, all over the place wrestling.

13:40 Speaker 1: So it's like, you know, we don't discuss because I know,

13:42 Speaker 1: Tough Bumps you focus on one topic and you guys

13:45 Speaker 1: go on it for for however long the show is

13:47 Speaker 1: maybe two. Not well you talk about several topics.

13:51 Speaker 5: Yeah, no, we actually do. We actually do several topics

13:54 Speaker 5: on Tough Bumps. What we do is so we have

13:56 Speaker 5: the main event. Every week, we pick a subject that

13:59 Speaker 5: we're going to cover and and then but we also

14:01 Speaker 5: have the undercard, and the undercard is usually two or

14:04 Speaker 5: three subjects that were we cover kind of a short

14:08 Speaker 5: we have briefer conversations about leading up to the main event.

14:11 Speaker 5: So then the main event will be uh whatever it is, like, uh,

14:14 Speaker 5: like this past weekend the main event was aw kind

14:18 Speaker 5: of the history of ae W, so we kind of

14:21 Speaker 5: we kind of do it that way. But I mean

14:23 Speaker 5: that's but that's another great thing about podcasting too, is

14:26 Speaker 5: you know you can do it anyway you want to.

14:28 Speaker 5: There's no there's no rules, there's no format to follow.

14:32 Speaker 5: You know you can it can change, it can evolve,

14:34 Speaker 5: it can devolve, it can you know, however you want to,

14:37 Speaker 5: however you want to do it. I feel like you've

14:40 Speaker 5: have you worked with Josh Zodiac before. The reason I

14:42 Speaker 5: ask is I've heard that name and I think I've

14:44 Speaker 5: heard you mentioned the name before Josh Zodiac.

14:48 Speaker 1: No, I've actually just recently come on to his uh

14:53 Speaker 1: podcast U as an official co host. J He had

14:57 Speaker 1: me on a guest a couple of times. But it's like, hey, listen,

15:00 Speaker 1: you're really good. I like you the interaction that we have.

15:02 Speaker 1: So it's like, I want to do a code something,

15:05 Speaker 1: sure if you want, absolutely, So Okay, usually every Saturday

15:08 Speaker 1: we do we do a show or he records and uh,

15:11 Speaker 1: but no, it's it's only been for a few months now.

15:14 Speaker 5: Oh cool, Okay, I may I may have heard of

15:15 Speaker 5: him elsewhere, then I might have U I might have

15:18 Speaker 5: seen something of Eric, might even know him. I don't know. No,

15:21 Speaker 5: that's very cool. That's very cool. And and and then

15:23 Speaker 5: so when of the wheer the new episodes come out?

15:25 Speaker 5: When should people look for him?

15:27 Speaker 1: Is it two a week Sunday? Usually it's it's just

15:31 Speaker 1: it's just one a week. Usually they drop on Sunday.

15:34 Speaker 5: Okay, he is.

15:37 Speaker 1: We're taking September off and then we're gonna ramp up

15:39 Speaker 1: afterwards to get ready for or after Survivor series, and

15:45 Speaker 1: then we'll go ahead and jump back into it. But

15:47 Speaker 1: I may I may do Survivor series on my end,

15:51 Speaker 1: because I know, I think what that's two nights now again.

15:54 Speaker 5: The Survivor series two nights?

15:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, I don't know. I think they're all going to

15:59 Speaker 1: two nights. Crying out loud. That's what WW is all

16:04 Speaker 1: about right now, is that they're all about making money.

16:06 Speaker 1: And it's just really sad of how how downtry it

16:10 Speaker 1: is with the new ESPN deal going on. It's like, gee, whiz, guys,

16:14 Speaker 1: I mean, listen, you're already you're already firing up and everything.

16:17 Speaker 1: How about giving the fans a break.

16:19 Speaker 5: Huh, yeah it is.

16:20 Speaker 1: Uh, it's just crazy.

16:22 Speaker 6: I am not buying ESPN. No, I am not buying it.

16:25 Speaker 6: They can pound sand.

16:27 Speaker 5: I'm done.

16:27 Speaker 4: Well, I already have I got.

16:29 Speaker 6: I got Netflix to watch raw, I got Peacock to

16:33 Speaker 6: watch PL's, I got you know, I gotta go to

16:36 Speaker 6: empty different places to watch stuff to begin with.

16:39 Speaker 4: I'm done. I'm not chasing them to ESPN can pound sand.

16:44 Speaker 5: Well.

16:45 Speaker 1: So I heard that if you already subscribe to ESPN,

16:48 Speaker 1: do your linear cable subscription. I think you're covered. Yeah,

16:54 Speaker 1: I have to go.

16:54 Speaker 4: I don't do cable.

16:55 Speaker 5: We got the we got the court a long time ago. Yeah,

16:58 Speaker 5: we don't have cable. We got the corn long time ago.

17:01 Speaker 4: Ridiculous costs. It won't do it.

17:02 Speaker 5: It's so expensive for But now, in terms of though,

17:05 Speaker 5: and this is a conversation that I had with Eric

17:07 Speaker 5: on Tough Bumps, the easy workaround is you just get

17:11 Speaker 5: a you know, you can get a VPN for like

17:13 Speaker 5: six bucks a month and connect to it because the

17:15 Speaker 5: pols will still be available internationally on Netflix, just not

17:19 Speaker 5: in the US. So you just get a you just

17:21 Speaker 5: get a VPN. Netflix doesn't know where you're connecting from.

17:25 Speaker 5: You can have access to everything.

17:27 Speaker 1: I mean really or just or just or just contact

17:31 Speaker 1: me after the show and I'll go ahead and give

17:32 Speaker 1: you information about you know, adding you on to my

17:35 Speaker 1: family subscription on YouTube TV.

17:37 Speaker 6: Ooh, well, I I agree with what you were saying before,

17:43 Speaker 6: and now it just went out of my head.

17:45 Speaker 5: Oh about it it being so expensive now to be

17:47 Speaker 5: a fan?

17:48 Speaker 6: Yeah right, it's really It really gives something back to

17:50 Speaker 6: the fans.

17:51 Speaker 7: High.

17:51 Speaker 6: I mean, we spend enough money buying, emptying different subscriptions

17:54 Speaker 6: to watch jumpting different things. And you know, but I

17:57 Speaker 6: agree with you one hundred percent, and I hate the

17:59 Speaker 6: direction they're going going in. I don't like the way

18:01 Speaker 6: they're treating talent, especially truth that.

18:08 Speaker 1: Yeah right, I think talent's being treated a lot better

18:12 Speaker 1: than they were with Vince. To be honest with you,

18:14 Speaker 1: there may be some one offs, yes, for for talent

18:17 Speaker 1: that I think. I think Truth was brought back based

18:21 Speaker 1: on fan pressure, which if you think about it, wouldn't

18:25 Speaker 1: have not affected Vince one bit. But because the fans

18:29 Speaker 1: are calling out for names, Triple H is listening to

18:33 Speaker 1: the fans. So I think the talent is treated a

18:36 Speaker 1: lot better nowadays.

18:38 Speaker 4: Agree, Well, maybe a little bit in that regard.

18:41 Speaker 6: But to drop somebody with no notice, no nothing, just ah, yeah,

18:46 Speaker 6: we've been with us for decades, but goodbye, see it

18:48 Speaker 6: hour get out. That's the way that they've dropped people, Uh,

18:53 Speaker 6: you know, is awful. They don't have discussions with them.

18:56 Speaker 6: They just wait till the end and then go oh

18:57 Speaker 6: yeah you're gone. And people have been with them, their

19:01 Speaker 6: lives are invested. Yeah, that's how you treat people.

19:05 Speaker 1: For Jenny, they da've they've they've done massive cuts before

19:10 Speaker 1: just to save They've done that way before. The truth. Yeah,

19:14 Speaker 1: it's just the fact of the matter that truth is

19:17 Speaker 1: such a such is so beloved. Yeah, it's such a

19:20 Speaker 1: he's basically I guarantee you when he retires, he finally

19:25 Speaker 1: hangs up his boots, I guarantee you he's going to

19:27 Speaker 1: be an ambassador.

19:29 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, he'll always have some sort of a connection

19:31 Speaker 5: to the company. I'm sure. Yeah, regardless, But uh not.

19:34 Speaker 6: The only one though that they just drop like that. Well, yeah,

19:37 Speaker 6: I been around forever and it's just you're gone.

19:40 Speaker 5: Yeah.

19:40 Speaker 1: I do think.

19:41 Speaker 5: I do think though, with with some people. I mean,

19:43 Speaker 5: if you reach a point where you don't think you can,

19:45 Speaker 5: you know, then.

19:46 Speaker 6: Have a discussion with him, be honest, don't be like

19:48 Speaker 6: Cross all.

19:50 Speaker 5: The well, the carrying Cross thing seems like a unique situation.

19:55 Speaker 5: Did you watch did you watch him? Excuse me, I'm

19:58 Speaker 5: losing my voice, Charles. Did you watch? Jenny? And I

20:00 Speaker 5: watched both the documentary The Killer Cross Part two slash

20:06 Speaker 5: My Contract just ended or whatever it's called. And we

20:08 Speaker 5: watched the Ariel Helwane interview where carrying Cross to me

20:13 Speaker 5: comes across no pun intended really well. And in the

20:17 Speaker 5: documentary both he and Scarlett come across really well, and

20:20 Speaker 5: it's it's easy to have a lot of sympathy for them.

20:23 Speaker 5: Did you watch either of those or both of those?

20:27 Speaker 7: No?

20:27 Speaker 1: Unfortunately I can't say I have. Yeah, but here's my

20:30 Speaker 1: take on Carrion's bro I'm gonna be honest with you,

20:33 Speaker 1: and this is just what I see. Either Creative has

20:37 Speaker 1: dropped the ball massively, yes, or Carrion just does not

20:42 Speaker 1: get over with the fans at all. I mean he

20:45 Speaker 1: number one. If you take a look at in ring work,

20:48 Speaker 1: I can see why the guy only wrestles one time

20:50 Speaker 1: a year. The guy is dangerous, you.

20:54 Speaker 5: Think so that that match?

20:56 Speaker 1: That match is dammy? Zaye, Literally are one or two

21:01 Speaker 1: inches where he could be paralyzed. The Yeah, it was.

21:08 Speaker 1: It was some scary stuff. Me, me and Joshua, We're

21:11 Speaker 1: talking about that match, and it's like, yeah, he is unsafe.

21:15 Speaker 1: He is unsafe. It's it's not a good performance at all.

21:20 Speaker 1: His character is lackluster at best. I loved it when

21:25 Speaker 1: he was with AOP and had the Final Testament, the Testament.

21:31 Speaker 1: That was where he That is where I think he should.

21:35 Speaker 1: He needs to be surrounded by talent. He cannot hold

21:39 Speaker 1: himself with his character. He cannot. So either creative is

21:44 Speaker 1: dropping the ball finding nothing legitimate that he can do well,

21:50 Speaker 1: or he just excuse my French sucks and he just

21:55 Speaker 1: needs to go.

21:57 Speaker 5: Yeah, I would definitely put it on creative because you know,

22:01 Speaker 5: just hearing the guy talk, even in see I've always

22:03 Speaker 5: been impressed with him in uh in interviews, various podcast

22:08 Speaker 5: interviews I've seen with him over the years and whatnot.

22:10 Speaker 5: He's so articulate and so interesting. It's like, how do

22:14 Speaker 5: you not find something to do with this guy? And

22:17 Speaker 5: then in recent days when he did that that promo

22:19 Speaker 5: that was like a worked shoot where you know he

22:22 Speaker 5: did he did that that promo after WrestleMania where he

22:25 Speaker 5: was complaining about not being on the show and and

22:27 Speaker 5: he threw down the microphone and said that's Killer Cross

22:30 Speaker 5: and everything, and then people really got behind him after that,

22:33 Speaker 5: and apparently his merchandise sales through WWE dot com spiked massively,

22:40 Speaker 5: and his book, his new book that just came out,

22:42 Speaker 5: Life Is Fighting, is doing very well. So there's clearly

22:46 Speaker 5: the fans want him, they want to get behind him.

22:49 Speaker 5: I put it all on creative how do you not

22:51 Speaker 5: make money with this guy? And I've always felt that

22:53 Speaker 5: like they they they did well with him in NXT

22:56 Speaker 5: when Triple H was running NXT, but then you know,

22:59 Speaker 5: they brought them up to the main roster. Vince was

23:01 Speaker 5: still in charge, so Vince immediately ruined him. They released him,

23:04 Speaker 5: they brought him back, and then the it's like they

23:06 Speaker 5: can't figure out what to do with them, and it's like,

23:07 Speaker 5: how do you not find something for this guy to do?

23:11 Speaker 5: You know, I don't know, not.

23:16 Speaker 1: Not every n XT champion or or somebody that's rising

23:22 Speaker 1: up from NXT goes to the main roster and succeeds.

23:25 Speaker 1: It's just not that. And also there may be other

23:28 Speaker 1: works behind the scenes. There could be some back back,

23:32 Speaker 1: there could be some drama going on backstage, there could

23:36 Speaker 1: be some obviously creative differences, I'm sure backstage. But the

23:42 Speaker 1: thing is, though, just just seeing what I've seen on camera,

23:48 Speaker 1: it's very bland. It's it's it's not it's not entertaining

23:53 Speaker 1: for me at least. I mean again, it sounds like

23:55 Speaker 1: you and Jenny Field differently, but it's not entertaining for me.

23:58 Speaker 1: And and I find his wrestling style is very dangerous.

24:05 Speaker 5: I will say I don't think his ring work. I've

24:07 Speaker 5: never noticed the dangerous aspect of that, but I would

24:10 Speaker 5: be curious, Like Jenny said, you know, maybe we'll go

24:13 Speaker 5: back and watch that match. But I will say I've

24:17 Speaker 5: never found his ringwork to be particularly spectacular. Like I

24:20 Speaker 5: don't expect to hear this is awesome chant during a

24:23 Speaker 5: Carrion cross match. No, but but again.

24:25 Speaker 1: It's it's it's it's far but it's it's far from spectacularly,

24:30 Speaker 1: it's down it's downright bad. It really is the the

24:35 Speaker 1: I don't know because listen, when you take a look

24:37 Speaker 1: and you're inside that ring, you are dancing with your

24:41 Speaker 1: dance partner. I mean, yes, it's kind of sad to say,

24:43 Speaker 1: because they're wearing tight, tight shorts and everything like that,

24:46 Speaker 1: and you know, it's just you just think about that.

24:50 Speaker 1: It's just like, Okay, you're dancing with a dude, all right, whatever, Sure,

24:53 Speaker 1: but they're dancing and your dance partner. Somebody has to lead,

24:57 Speaker 1: somebody has to Communication is always a spot mm hmmm.

25:00 Speaker 1: Sammy Zain, whether it be with Jay Usso, whether it

25:06 Speaker 1: be with the Bloodline, whether it be with Kevin Owens,

25:09 Speaker 1: Sammy Zaine's beautiful, he's he he twinkled toes around that

25:14 Speaker 1: ring like nobody ever. Sure, great, I seem carrying crossing

25:19 Speaker 1: and I'm almost ready to cry because there is no

25:23 Speaker 1: twinkle toes. Something's off and it's can't be Sammy, because

25:27 Speaker 1: I've seen Sammy interact with other wrestlers and he is

25:30 Speaker 1: just beautiful. It's great. It's artwork. It's not art, it's

25:35 Speaker 1: it's just it's maybe it's not dangerous, but it's just

25:38 Speaker 1: not good.

25:40 Speaker 5: I do think they had a good match at SummerSlam.

25:42 Speaker 5: I thought it was I thought it was very good.

25:45 Speaker 5: I mean, I you know, I didn't have any complaints

25:47 Speaker 5: about it, certainly, but I think.

25:52 Speaker 1: The I think the drama and the interaction, the interference

25:55 Speaker 1: with scarlet with the bar. Yeah, I like that, but

25:59 Speaker 1: there was a couple of bumps there where I was like,

26:01 Speaker 1: please get up, Sammy, please get up. Please don't do

26:04 Speaker 1: the referee, don't do the x.

26:06 Speaker 7: Uh.

26:07 Speaker 1: It's just it's there's there's some of the bumps that

26:09 Speaker 1: I just SAWD like, I mean, okay, that didn't look

26:12 Speaker 1: that didn't look good.

26:13 Speaker 5: I do have to acknowledge my favorite part of any

26:15 Speaker 5: carrying cross match has always been the entrance. I think

26:17 Speaker 5: the entrance is incredible. I think I think that I

26:21 Speaker 5: think that's the whole thing is really good. But but

26:24 Speaker 5: he also said.

26:25 Speaker 1: It is the best part of carrying a cross is

26:28 Speaker 1: the entrance. You're absolutely right.

26:30 Speaker 5: He did say during the uh the Ariel hill Wana

26:33 Speaker 5: interview too that uh they so you said you didn't

26:37 Speaker 5: watch it, correct, He said that, uh. He said that

26:42 Speaker 5: it's it's really it's really good. But he said that

26:46 Speaker 5: they they did make him an offer. It's not that

26:47 Speaker 5: they didn't make him an offer. They did make him

26:49 Speaker 5: an offer, but there were two things that there were

26:52 Speaker 5: a problem. One is he wanted to know how they

26:53 Speaker 5: arrived at that number, So I assume it was a

26:55 Speaker 5: low number, because he again, there's been a just recent

27:00 Speaker 5: there was a pretty big spike in his merchandise sales apparently,

27:02 Speaker 5: so they wanted to know how they arrived at number

27:04 Speaker 5: at that number. He didn't say no, He just said,

27:06 Speaker 5: you know, let's continue the conversation. And the other sticking

27:09 Speaker 5: point was they did not offer her Scarlet anything. They

27:11 Speaker 5: offered him a new deal. They did not offer Scarlet

27:14 Speaker 5: a new deal. And he says that what they told

27:16 Speaker 5: him was that they would sign him, let's get your

27:21 Speaker 5: deal locked in, and then we'll we'll figure out Scarlet,

27:24 Speaker 5: which I can understand him being very concerned about that

27:28 Speaker 5: for two reasons. Number One, she's a huge part of

27:30 Speaker 5: the act. You know, it's hard to imagine him without her.

27:33 Speaker 5: But also I would be worried about Okay, so you

27:37 Speaker 5: want to sign me, You want me to hurry up

27:39 Speaker 5: and sign this deal and then we'll and then we'll

27:42 Speaker 5: deal with Scarlett afterward. I'm worried that there's not going

27:46 Speaker 5: to be a follow through there. Okay, I'm going to

27:47 Speaker 5: sign this deal that you, for some reason, are in

27:50 Speaker 5: such a hurry for me to go ahead and sign,

27:51 Speaker 5: because you're telling me if I don't sign it, in

27:53 Speaker 5: twenty four hours, you're rescinding the offer, no ongoing contract negotiations.

27:57 Speaker 5: I either sign this or you resined, and then I'm

27:59 Speaker 5: suppose to just trust you that then you're going to

28:03 Speaker 5: talk to Scarlet or we're going to sit down and

28:05 Speaker 5: negotiate something for Scarlett as well. That that is. That

28:09 Speaker 5: sounded pretty sketchy to me. So I don't blame him

28:12 Speaker 5: for saying no.

28:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, I agree with that, because listen, what does my

28:18 Speaker 1: deal have to do with Scarlett? Scarlett has her own deal.

28:21 Speaker 1: How about we get Scarlett on board first and then

28:25 Speaker 1: talk to me. I think, honestly it's a way to

28:27 Speaker 1: go ahead and break this two apart. Because number one,

28:29 Speaker 1: Scarlet's not a wrestler. She has not wrestled. She is

28:33 Speaker 1: a valet. I think she hasn't she has Unfortunately, I think,

28:37 Speaker 1: you know, I thought she had wrestled in the to

28:39 Speaker 1: my recollection, if she had had a long time.

28:42 Speaker 5: Yeah, probably been a long time. But I mean I

28:45 Speaker 5: know she takes bumps and everything. I thought she had

28:47 Speaker 5: wrestled at one time. I'm looking it up now.

28:49 Speaker 1: Yes, she she probably has trained before, Yeah, definitely look

28:54 Speaker 1: it up. Yeah, but she's probably trained before to go

28:56 Speaker 1: ahead and said bumps. But she's primarily a LA. And

29:00 Speaker 1: I don't think WWE, especially with them cracking down on

29:04 Speaker 1: salary and everything like that, I don't think they're gonna

29:06 Speaker 1: go ahead and pay a LA, which is weird. You're

29:09 Speaker 1: going ahead and bumping up to ESPN for thirty dollars

29:12 Speaker 1: a month. You're already telling people to pay for Netflix

29:15 Speaker 1: for raw and you're cutting salary really okay, I mean,

29:20 Speaker 1: I you know, I don't get it.

29:23 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'm looking on Wikipedia.

29:26 Speaker 4: It looks like a peacock for the ples.

29:28 Speaker 5: Yeah and US.

29:32 Speaker 1: And they're also bumping up because they said when they

29:35 Speaker 1: signed this deal with ESPN that their first pl E

29:39 Speaker 1: was gonna be wrestle Mania next year. They're bumping it

29:42 Speaker 1: up to ye something called Russell Polluta yep for in

29:46 Speaker 1: September yep y she with.

29:51 Speaker 4: I think their money. I think they're greedy as heck.

29:55 Speaker 6: They got that company's got so much money now then

29:58 Speaker 6: Nicol and Dive in the R artists who are contracted,

30:02 Speaker 6: they don't get healthcare. They got to pay their own

30:03 Speaker 6: healthcare everything else, right, That's why I think people don't

30:07 Speaker 6: understand that sometimes too, because they think they're employees. Right,

30:10 Speaker 6: they're non employees. They're they're independent contract Yep. They got

30:15 Speaker 6: to work around from the government basically, and it stuck.

30:19 Speaker 1: They Yeah, they're I mean, obviously there's there's another wrestling

30:25 Speaker 1: promotion out there. If you don't wake it a WWE

30:27 Speaker 1: go over to the AWE. What they can do? You got

30:30 Speaker 1: full creative control. You have another con and debt that

30:33 Speaker 1: didn't charge. So you go from Tony to Neck or

30:37 Speaker 1: Nick to Tony. I don't know, I forget whose con

30:39 Speaker 1: is open. They're both cons.

30:44 Speaker 5: Sorry, I had to do it.

30:47 Speaker 1: God, I can't go over to the aw there. You

30:52 Speaker 1: know they you know they're they're thriving as well. I mean,

30:55 Speaker 1: look how awesome they are. I mean, look, I mean

30:58 Speaker 1: just just think about it. Chris Jericho went from w

31:01 Speaker 1: w E to aw possibly back to WWE most likely.

31:04 Speaker 4: I thought that.

31:05 Speaker 1: Come on, now, Tody Rhoades goes ahead and flicks off WWE.

31:10 Speaker 1: When he goes to aw it's back to WWE. Yeah,

31:13 Speaker 1: what's going on? How come eight you can't keep their talent,

31:17 Speaker 1: talent that they take from WWE. Well, it's not working out.

31:21 Speaker 1: Next thing, you know, we're getting Dean Ambrose back, right,

31:24 Speaker 1: is that what's gonna happen next? Oh?

31:25 Speaker 5: I hope, so, I hope. So that was something that

31:28 Speaker 5: Eric and I talked about too on Tough Bumps. So,

31:30 Speaker 5: by the way, if you're just joining us, we have

31:31 Speaker 5: Charles Richardson from the Charles Richardson Show on the line

31:34 Speaker 5: with us, and and uh oh, and of course the

31:38 Speaker 5: pot what's the name of the wrestling podcast? Is it

31:40 Speaker 5: the Josh Zodiac Show? Yes, the Josh Zodiac Podcast, the

31:46 Speaker 5: Josh Sodiac Podcast. I want to make sure I get

31:48 Speaker 5: it right. When uh? When when we did?

31:51 Speaker 2: Uh?

31:51 Speaker 5: Yeah, this past Sunday on the newest edition of Tough Bumps,

31:54 Speaker 5: it was a history of a W and Eric and

31:56 Speaker 5: I talked a lot about how the worst thing that

32:00 Speaker 5: happened to AEW was And Eric and I disagree on

32:04 Speaker 5: a lot of things, but on this I think we

32:05 Speaker 5: agreed is that when when Vince ended up having to

32:09 Speaker 5: permanently leave WWE because with Triple H in charge of

32:14 Speaker 5: creative Because the whole reason that a w was so

32:18 Speaker 5: successful in the beginning and to a large extent still

32:21 Speaker 5: is I mean, doing thirty thousand people in a stadium

32:24 Speaker 5: in Texas is pretty impressive, but the reason they were

32:28 Speaker 5: so successful initially was because they were offering an alternative

32:31 Speaker 5: to what had become very very stale, a very stale

32:34 Speaker 5: product under Vince. I was saying to Eric, you know,

32:37 Speaker 5: for years, I didn't even sit down. I wouldn't even

32:40 Speaker 5: sit down and sit through an episode of Raw or SmackDown.

32:43 Speaker 5: I would just go on YouTube and find find out

32:45 Speaker 5: whatever happened and just watch whatever clips looked interesting to me.

32:48 Speaker 5: And that was it. So I never fully disengaged from

32:51 Speaker 5: the product. But so, you know, so AW was filling

32:54 Speaker 5: that void. And then of course Triple H, who I

32:57 Speaker 5: wasn't surprised because I was watching that X because when

33:01 Speaker 5: Triple H was in charge of NXT, NX was phenomenal.

33:04 Speaker 5: And uh, you know, so when Triple H got to

33:07 Speaker 5: take over full creative, on the full roster, on the

33:09 Speaker 5: main roster, you know, that was all of a sudden

33:13 Speaker 5: ae W. It's kind of like, don't really need it

33:16 Speaker 5: after all now that WWE is running on all cylinders

33:19 Speaker 5: again for the first time in a long time. But

33:22 Speaker 5: that's but I do think that ae W is a

33:25 Speaker 5: net positive for the business. I think that the wrestling

33:28 Speaker 5: business always thrives when you have competitive forces within it.

33:31 Speaker 5: The more promotions that are successful, the better because a

33:34 Speaker 5: high tide raises all ships interests in wrestling. You know,

33:38 Speaker 5: it's it's so strong right now. Even TNA Jenny and

33:41 Speaker 5: I were watching a little bit of Slammiversary. Uh they

33:44 Speaker 5: were that was their biggest North American crowd for Slammiversary,

33:48 Speaker 5: almost eight thousand people. I think their partnership with WWE

33:52 Speaker 5: helps drive that. But I do think AEW holds an

33:55 Speaker 5: important place in the market, and I think there I

33:57 Speaker 5: think it's a net positive that they're around.

34:01 Speaker 1: Yeah, it's it's definitely going to be a net positive

34:03 Speaker 1: for AW no matter what, because it's an alternative. And

34:07 Speaker 1: when you can go ahead and finally get your creative

34:09 Speaker 1: brains intact and actually bump heads literally sometimes and you

34:15 Speaker 1: go ahead and get Edge and Christian back together, that's

34:19 Speaker 1: going to generate some interest. Like, hmm, how is this

34:22 Speaker 1: rated R superstar Adam Copeland gonna do with Christian Cage

34:27 Speaker 1: now that they're reunited. M interesting storyline. It drove me

34:33 Speaker 1: interest in AEW because I want to see what these

34:37 Speaker 1: two are gonna go at, right, And that was the

34:39 Speaker 1: first time I heard of Spike apparently with that bat

34:43 Speaker 1: just oh gruesome. Yeah. Anyway, I'm like, I'm like, you

34:50 Speaker 1: know what, let's see what happens. Let's see where they

34:52 Speaker 1: go from here, because they're taking a definite tag team,

34:56 Speaker 1: a formidable tag team, a feme tag team, and they're

35:02 Speaker 1: bringing it to their forefront. Now let's see how they do.

35:06 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, I think, uh so, we don't. We don't

35:10 Speaker 5: watch much a w uh Basically, if there's a you know,

35:13 Speaker 5: if they have a a big event or something, there's

35:16 Speaker 5: a website Toki video dot com that posts uh, the

35:19 Speaker 5: individual matches from their pay per views, you know, usually

35:22 Speaker 5: a week or two after they happen. But but yeah,

35:24 Speaker 5: I think I think, you know.

35:25 Speaker 1: Are they not? Are they not? Are they not streaming

35:28 Speaker 1: on Max? There are there there pay per views? I

35:30 Speaker 1: know they're streaming like Dynamite in oh yeah Vision on

35:33 Speaker 1: Max Max.

35:35 Speaker 5: Yeah, we have Max Max. We've we've actually watched one

35:38 Speaker 5: of the shows on Max. We've never watched any of

35:41 Speaker 5: their p l E s on Max. But I think

35:42 Speaker 5: you're right. Yeah, with all the streaming services, it gets confusing.

35:45 Speaker 5: It's hard to keep up with it all.

35:47 Speaker 4: I'm ready to dump some.

35:48 Speaker 5: But but part part of why.

35:54 Speaker 1: It's amazing, it's it's it's amazing. Matt. Cut the chord. Yeah,

36:01 Speaker 1: cut the cord. Everybody. Cut the streaming. You're spending more

36:05 Speaker 1: now on streaming than you did.

36:06 Speaker 4: I'm not.

36:07 Speaker 6: I'm actually not spending more on streaming than I was

36:10 Speaker 6: paying the cable because it was.

36:13 Speaker 4: Expensive.

36:14 Speaker 1: People are though, Oh yeah, a lot of people are

36:17 Speaker 1: though cable.

36:17 Speaker 5: Cable is far from dead, that's for sure. Yeah, I Uh.

36:23 Speaker 5: Part of why we were having that conversation on Tough

36:25 Speaker 5: Bumps was Eric is. Eric is much more negative on

36:28 Speaker 5: a W than I am. Like I said, I think,

36:32 Speaker 5: I think Uh. I think Cody Rhads his return to

36:37 Speaker 5: w W E UH would not have been nearly as

36:40 Speaker 5: important and as big a deal had it not been

36:43 Speaker 5: for a e W even CM Punk, you know, I mean,

36:47 Speaker 5: it still would have been a big deal him returning

36:50 Speaker 5: to w W E his surprise appearance at Survivor Series

36:53 Speaker 5: UH when he returned, But again, had it had it

36:56 Speaker 5: not been for his UH, had it not been for

36:59 Speaker 5: a double getting him back into the game first, I

37:02 Speaker 5: don't think it would have meant as much. You know,

37:04 Speaker 5: I think AW. I think AW has directly benefited WWE

37:08 Speaker 5: in some ways. I really do.

37:12 Speaker 1: I agree. And then I disagree because Cody Rhodes developed

37:16 Speaker 1: himself in the Indies beforeaw even took place. That was

37:20 Speaker 1: Eric's reinventive. That the American Nightmare persona theme song and

37:26 Speaker 1: everything was before aw right, So he actually went ahead

37:30 Speaker 1: and created himself before then he was able to make

37:33 Speaker 1: a stage on AW So I agreed to that point.

37:37 Speaker 1: I agreed to that point that Cody went ahead and

37:40 Speaker 1: turned some heads like, Wow, this guy can actually perform.

37:43 Speaker 1: You don't have to put him in a goofy gold

37:45 Speaker 1: out and called Stardust, right, that's great, see them punk

37:48 Speaker 1: on the other hand, seem punk. On the other hand,

37:51 Speaker 1: he had to try another promotion because of his experience

37:55 Speaker 1: with WWE, his negative experience with w W and at

37:59 Speaker 1: the time, uh, he went to aw vincent Stone charge anyway,

38:04 Speaker 1: so why would he go back to a toxic relationship

38:06 Speaker 1: with that, right? And of course if you haven't seen Unreal,

38:11 Speaker 1: we watch you to know that. Yeah, it's it's that.

38:15 Speaker 1: That's freaking great, it really is. But that right there

38:20 Speaker 1: not even unreal, just just a hole behind the scenes

38:23 Speaker 1: of how Sam Punk got back. It was the last

38:25 Speaker 1: minute deal. This thing wasn't like Etched and Stone before

38:29 Speaker 1: a Survivor series hit. Nobody knew except three people, and

38:32 Speaker 1: one of them was AJ So he he and he

38:36 Speaker 1: was hidden behind everything. He got into Gorilla Formation and like, wow,

38:40 Speaker 1: seampunk is here. Yep, yeah, it's just he literally signed

38:45 Speaker 1: that contract like ten minutes before. So there was a

38:49 Speaker 1: coming to Jesus moment with Triple H saying, listen, we

38:52 Speaker 1: know we messed up. We know this happen, happened, we

38:56 Speaker 1: know that happened. This is how it is now. We

39:00 Speaker 1: know there's a lot of wrongs that have been righted

39:03 Speaker 1: and and this is this is what we can offer you.

39:04 Speaker 1: And I think sam Plunk came back, but I think

39:06 Speaker 1: he had to try another promotion to see what exactly

39:12 Speaker 1: what it's like outside of w W E before he came.

39:15 Speaker 5: Back, right right. I also have a theory you know

39:19 Speaker 5: that you know that show that CM Punk showed up at.

39:23 Speaker 5: This was when he was on the outs with ae W.

39:25 Speaker 5: He was still under contract, but he he was out

39:28 Speaker 5: with his with his injury. Poor guy, He's had a

39:31 Speaker 5: lot of injuries. But so he was he was away

39:34 Speaker 5: from the promotion and and of course it was an

39:36 Speaker 5: ongoing story that he was at odds with some of

39:39 Speaker 5: the people there and like Jack Perry and his relationship

39:42 Speaker 5: with Tony Cohn was pretty strained. And then there was

39:44 Speaker 5: that WWE show that he showed up at just to

39:46 Speaker 5: say hi to some people backstage, and yep, and and

39:51 Speaker 5: Vince Scott went and Vince got wind of it and

39:53 Speaker 5: kicked him out. And and by the way, Vin Vince

39:56 Speaker 5: I think was probably right to do that, because Vince

39:58 Speaker 5: does not want to be sued or contract hampering, you know,

40:02 Speaker 5: because if he's aware of the situation, he knows. Assuming

40:04 Speaker 5: he was aware, he knew that cmpunk was still under

40:07 Speaker 5: contract with AEW but having problems. So it's not necessarily

40:10 Speaker 5: a great look that, you know, while still under contract

40:13 Speaker 5: with AEW, cmpunk is just showing up at a show.

40:15 Speaker 5: But that night, apparently before before Vince gave word that no,

40:21 Speaker 5: you got to get him out of here. We can't

40:23 Speaker 5: have him in the building. Kick him out, he did

40:26 Speaker 5: have a brief interaction with Triple H. I just wonder

40:30 Speaker 5: how that interaction went because I have this I have

40:34 Speaker 5: a theory. It's just a theory, I you know, can't

40:36 Speaker 5: base it on anything, But is it possible that part

40:39 Speaker 5: of that introduction Apparently it was very very brief, just

40:42 Speaker 5: kind of saying hello to each other. But I wonder

40:44 Speaker 5: if Punk said something like, you know, to Triple H, hey,

40:49 Speaker 5: you know, someday, when I'm not under contract somewhere else,

40:52 Speaker 5: I might like to come back here, you know, just

40:54 Speaker 5: kind of throwing that out there on Triple H may

40:56 Speaker 5: have said something like, hey, you know, if you weren't

40:59 Speaker 5: under contract, we'd love to have you back. Who knows

41:02 Speaker 5: what the future, you know, just something, just a brief

41:03 Speaker 5: interaction like that, and they'll know, And if that conversation

41:08 Speaker 5: did take place, they'll never admit it. But I just know,

41:11 Speaker 5: but I can't help, but wonder if it did. You know.

41:15 Speaker 1: I have my own theory and it's it's it's definitely

41:20 Speaker 1: not wrestling related. So my theory is, damn Punk walks

41:24 Speaker 1: up to Triple H and it's like, hey, how are

41:27 Speaker 1: you and Stephanie doing? Yeah, we're doing great? And mean

41:30 Speaker 1: you're doing great? Won't get together and have a foursome?

41:35 Speaker 5: Really that's your theory? And yeah, so well, Charles, I mean,

41:43 Speaker 5: you're definitely thinking outside the box, because I can honestly

41:46 Speaker 5: tell you with all the sincerity, that never occurred to me.

41:53 Speaker 1: I'm sure.

41:59 Speaker 5: Yeah. So Uh, what do you watch any a W

42:03 Speaker 5: now or do you only watch WWE?

42:07 Speaker 1: It's it's mainly WWE. But you know, I kind of

42:10 Speaker 1: keep tabs on stuff with ae W like I you know,

42:13 Speaker 1: I wouldn't have known about edging Christian. I knew they

42:15 Speaker 1: were feuding with with with each other. I think, yeah

42:18 Speaker 1: there was one time Christian hug Edge until you know

42:21 Speaker 1: f oh yeah, yeah and that's okay, wow, yeah, but

42:27 Speaker 1: you know, no, I I kind of keep tabs like

42:29 Speaker 1: you know, apparently they got something going now, which okay,

42:33 Speaker 1: maybe I might tune in to see what's going on

42:36 Speaker 1: if they're advertised, uh, and and see what's doing. But

42:39 Speaker 1: I'm primarily w W.

42:41 Speaker 5: Yeah, I'll watch any Will Osprey match.

42:44 Speaker 1: Uh.

42:45 Speaker 5: And he of course, you know an A W and

42:47 Speaker 5: you know, a big fan of MJF. Haven't kept up,

42:50 Speaker 5: haven't kept up with what they've been doing. But well

42:52 Speaker 5: there's so much. There's just so much content now, I mean,

42:55 Speaker 5: and WWE is pumping out more content than ever.

42:59 Speaker 1: Is JF like part of the hurt cyndykit now with

43:03 Speaker 1: lash Lee in the MVP.

43:06 Speaker 5: From what I saw online, he was but now he's out.

43:08 Speaker 5: They kicked him out or something, So I don't know,

43:11 Speaker 5: I haven't, but that's you know, it's hard though. See

43:15 Speaker 5: that's the other thing with AEW. And this is something

43:17 Speaker 5: where I think Tony Kahn probably has something in common

43:20 Speaker 5: with Vince McMahon that wanting to have full control over

43:24 Speaker 5: creative to the point where you know nothing's being delegated

43:27 Speaker 5: or if it is being well. Obviously in WW Evans

43:30 Speaker 5: was delegating because he had a full writing team, but

43:32 Speaker 5: then you know he'd end up tearing up the script

43:33 Speaker 5: and rewriting it himself anyway, And I think that you know,

43:36 Speaker 5: what AW needs, what Tony Kahn needs, is somebody or

43:40 Speaker 5: a team of people who can do what Triple H

43:42 Speaker 5: has done, recommit to long term, logical storytelling where you

43:46 Speaker 5: can get really invested in these characters, because that's the

43:48 Speaker 5: most important thing. That's what makes w WE, in my opinion,

43:52 Speaker 5: so successful. Now I've argued to Eric that to me,

43:56 Speaker 5: wrestling is better than it's ever been because there's more,

44:00 Speaker 5: there's more of a focus on long term storytelling. There's surprises,

44:04 Speaker 5: but everything is logical, but also character development. I can't

44:07 Speaker 5: remember ever, and I've been watching since I was a kid.

44:09 Speaker 5: I can't remember ever a time when there was as

44:11 Speaker 5: much character development as we see now and a willingness

44:14 Speaker 5: to make these characters complex and you know they've got

44:17 Speaker 5: levels to them. That's why now you'll see babyfaces fighting

44:21 Speaker 5: with other babyfaces that used to be never a thing,

44:24 Speaker 5: but now you know you can have that, or heels

44:26 Speaker 5: fighting with other heels because the audience has been conditioned

44:29 Speaker 5: to accept these are complex characters and not everything is

44:32 Speaker 5: black and white, and people who are you know, good

44:36 Speaker 5: guys can actually fight with other good guys, and bad

44:38 Speaker 5: guys can actually fight with other bad guys because you

44:41 Speaker 5: know sometimes in real life that happens, right, So I

44:45 Speaker 5: think AW if Tony Kahn would just allow somebody who

44:49 Speaker 5: really has a good creative mind, who can do what

44:52 Speaker 5: Triple H has done, come into AW and recommit to

44:55 Speaker 5: long term storytelling, I think they'd be a lot more successful.

44:58 Speaker 5: And they're already pretty SUCCESSFU well, let's be honest, but

45:01 Speaker 5: I think they'd be a lot more successful.

45:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, they still have a long way to go. They're

45:05 Speaker 1: still in the baby's, the the infant stages, maybe even

45:08 Speaker 1: the Toddless stages, but definitely, definitely. I do have a

45:13 Speaker 1: couple of questions because I know, we're running out of

45:15 Speaker 1: time here, so I want to I have a couple

45:16 Speaker 1: of questions. Number one, and please assume that I have

45:19 Speaker 1: not heard this on Tough Bumps. Okay, but tell me

45:23 Speaker 1: what was your reaction to Hogan's death.

45:26 Speaker 5: So we tried on Tough Bumps, we tried to present

45:29 Speaker 5: kind of a measured, fair assessment. I mean, I can

45:34 Speaker 5: tell you my personal reaction. When I saw the news

45:37 Speaker 5: alert on my phone, I was kind of numb. It

45:38 Speaker 5: was like wow, you know because, on one hand, a

45:42 Speaker 5: huge part of my childhood, and obviously Hogan a huge

45:46 Speaker 5: part of professional wrestling, something that I'm I'm passionate about,

45:50 Speaker 5: so so it was like, wow, it's kind of stunning.

45:54 Speaker 5: But it's also hard to get past because I don't

45:58 Speaker 5: think he ever effectively dealt with it. You know, his

46:01 Speaker 5: racist comments that were recorded during that encounter with Bubba

46:05 Speaker 5: the Love Sponges wife, which is still even weird to say,

46:09 Speaker 5: but you know, the just objectively extraordinarily racist, shockingly racist

46:16 Speaker 5: things that he said during that conversation that was recorded,

46:19 Speaker 5: which yeah, he did the whole apology tour and everything,

46:21 Speaker 5: but he never really dealt with the central His comments

46:26 Speaker 5: were very specific and he never dealt with specifically what

46:31 Speaker 5: he was wrestling with, no pun intended when expressing himself

46:36 Speaker 5: during that conversation. He never dealt with that specifically, at

46:40 Speaker 5: least not publicly, and a lot of people felt like

46:43 Speaker 5: his apologies were half hearted and insufficient, and he never

46:47 Speaker 5: fully recovered from that, obviously, So we tried to So

46:50 Speaker 5: we tried to be very fair about it, well, and to.

46:55 Speaker 1: Be honest with you, he was apparently, in his private

47:00 Speaker 1: life a very manipulative person. Because Brooke Hogan, his daughter,

47:05 Speaker 1: called in on Bubba and they haven't spoken in years

47:09 Speaker 1: because of the fallout between Hogan and Bubba. Yeah, and

47:13 Speaker 1: Brooke even said that, hey, my dad told me about

47:16 Speaker 1: the tape and he knew you didn't have anything to

47:19 Speaker 1: do with it. Even though Bubba lost his home, he

47:23 Speaker 1: got fired, everything that laid down, Hogan never came to

47:26 Speaker 1: his defense, even though he admitted to Brooke that, yeah,

47:30 Speaker 1: I know Bubba had nothing to do with it, right, So,

47:34 Speaker 1: just on that alone, I think he was not a

47:39 Speaker 1: good human being. Let's put it that way. Now. Is

47:41 Speaker 1: that is that justified to say, like, well, thank god

47:44 Speaker 1: he's dead.

47:44 Speaker 5: No, of course not.

47:45 Speaker 1: I mean I think the way he died. There's actually

47:48 Speaker 1: a criminal investigation going on the that he may have

47:51 Speaker 1: been murdered.

47:52 Speaker 5: Jenny and I were talking about that earlier. There medical

47:57 Speaker 5: medical malpractice. Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, yeah.

48:02 Speaker 4: Question during a surgery.

48:05 Speaker 6: He had a surgery apparently recently, and there's question as

48:08 Speaker 6: to whether or not his frontic nerve was damaged or

48:11 Speaker 6: severed and restitched or something. And he also had a

48:15 Speaker 6: fib so I guess the combo wasn't too good and

48:18 Speaker 6: they think that might have actually been what caused his death,

48:21 Speaker 6: in which case it would be a medical practice.

48:25 Speaker 1: Okay. I don't know that there was a police investigation

48:30 Speaker 1: going on. I think it's still going on.

48:32 Speaker 6: Yeah, Yeah, it's still it's still going on. It's still

48:35 Speaker 6: going on. Yeah, could be wrongful death, who knows.

48:41 Speaker 1: Another question, Matt, how do you feel of Sina's so

48:45 Speaker 1: called heel turn versus face turn? It Was that a

48:50 Speaker 1: flop or is that do you think was successful?

48:53 Speaker 5: I so, I'm, I'm I know, I'm very much in

48:56 Speaker 5: the minority when I say this. I loved, for of all,

49:00 Speaker 5: the heel turn itself was amazing, and I think most

49:02 Speaker 5: people would agree on that. The actual heel turn itself

49:05 Speaker 5: was fantastic. It was so so, so well done. The

49:09 Speaker 5: subsequent him as a heel, the heel version of John

49:13 Speaker 5: Cena again, I know I'm in the minority. I was

49:15 Speaker 5: really enjoying it. I understand why people didn't like that

49:19 Speaker 5: he I think people a lot of people wanted him

49:21 Speaker 5: to be more overtly evil and whatnot, where he actually

49:25 Speaker 5: underplayed it. But I liked it. I thought it was cool.

49:29 Speaker 5: I thought it was very intriguing. I really enjoyed it,

49:32 Speaker 5: and I thought the face turn back seemed a little rushed.

49:34 Speaker 5: What were you gonna saying? Packed out? Oh yeah, that

49:38 Speaker 5: was so funny. Yeah, when he's like, I'm going to

49:40 Speaker 5: ruin wrestling.

49:41 Speaker 4: I loved that.

49:41 Speaker 5: I loved that too. I thought it was cool. I

49:43 Speaker 5: really enjoyed heel John Cena. What did you think?

49:47 Speaker 1: I enjoyed it. I really enjoyed his promos, But it

49:52 Speaker 1: started to get a little repetitive, like he didn't have

49:56 Speaker 1: anything new coming out. It just kept saying the same

49:59 Speaker 1: thing over and over again. It's just it kind of

50:03 Speaker 1: got repetitive. So I think when Cody finally because you're right,

50:07 Speaker 1: it did feel rushed a little bit, but you saw

50:10 Speaker 1: bits and pieces of good Sena coming out the past

50:15 Speaker 1: few weeks before that, and I think I think they

50:18 Speaker 1: were trying to lead up to it, but obviously they

50:20 Speaker 1: wanted to take the belt off him and put on Cody. So, uh,

50:23 Speaker 1: mister Lesnar can go ahead a big introduction.

50:28 Speaker 6: Yeah, what do you think about that one coming back?

50:32 Speaker 4: What do you think about Lesner coming back?

50:36 Speaker 1: I love it, I love it. I know, I know

50:38 Speaker 1: it was basically it was basically John's wish to go

50:42 Speaker 1: ahead and wrestle Lesnar. That's why he's back. It's it

50:44 Speaker 1: has nothing to do with well, he's gonna draw big

50:47 Speaker 1: money and no, no, he'll he'll draw big money. But

50:50 Speaker 1: that was a request from Sina. Sina wants to get

50:52 Speaker 1: all of his his adversaries. Yes, it was reported Sena

50:58 Speaker 1: requested Lesno. Yeah, so he wants to fight Legend one more. Yeah,

51:03 Speaker 1: So this retirement tour is basically to get all If

51:07 Speaker 1: you ever seen Rocky five, where it's like, listen, I

51:09 Speaker 1: got to get the beast out of me. I can't

51:12 Speaker 1: hold on. He's trying to get the beast out of it.

51:14 Speaker 1: Literally in this case, he's trying to get the beast.

51:17 Speaker 5: Yeah.

51:17 Speaker 1: Yeah, but yeah, she's take care of everybody that he

51:20 Speaker 1: needs one more time.

51:22 Speaker 5: Yeah, oh yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense, which I

51:25 Speaker 5: don't agree.

51:26 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't agree with Logan Paul. Why would

51:28 Speaker 1: he be on that list? I don't. I don't understand

51:30 Speaker 1: that that storyline one bit.

51:32 Speaker 5: Yeah, Charles, we are approaching the top of the hour,

51:35 Speaker 5: so we got to begin to wrap up. The time

51:37 Speaker 5: goes so quickly. But we should definitely do this more often,

51:40 Speaker 5: my friend, because uh, I always enjoy having you on

51:43 Speaker 5: and uh, you know, and anytime you want me to

51:45 Speaker 5: have be on your show, I'd love to do that

51:48 Speaker 5: as well. But I do want to make sure, so

51:50 Speaker 5: where should people go to find not only your show

51:53 Speaker 5: but also the show that you do with Josh Zodiac.

51:55 Speaker 5: I want to make sure everyone knows where to go

51:57 Speaker 5: to find your content.

52:00 Speaker 1: So my show search the Charles Richardson Show on Facebook

52:05 Speaker 1: like my page. All my shows go live on that

52:10 Speaker 1: page from eight to ten pm Monday Wednesday, hopefully both

52:15 Speaker 1: and any interaction or possible topics I may be talking

52:19 Speaker 1: about will be listed there as well. That used as

52:22 Speaker 1: my reference sheet. Okay, YouTube, same thing, search search the

52:26 Speaker 1: Charles Richardson Show. I have a channel with so many subscribers. Kidding,

52:31 Speaker 1: but so many subscribers that you can go ahead and

52:34 Speaker 1: do it. It's free for now, but after that it's

52:36 Speaker 1: gonna be twenty nine ninety five. I'm launching my own

52:38 Speaker 1: app with competing against ESPN The Josh Zodiac Podcast. Same thing,

52:45 Speaker 1: Josh Zodiac podcast on all social media. He is available

52:49 Speaker 1: on podcast on the podcast on iHeartRadio, Apple podcasts, anywhere

52:56 Speaker 1: podcasts are done. You can search that that right there

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53:01 Speaker 5: Fantastic, fantastic. Well, Charles, thank you so much, my friend.

53:05 Speaker 5: Like I said, we must do this more often. And

53:07 Speaker 5: I really appreciate you. Appreciate you joining us today, and

53:09 Speaker 5: we'll talk again soon. I'm sure.

53:13 Speaker 1: Absolutely. Just have Jenny getting contact with me. I'm able

53:16 Speaker 1: to do it, all.

53:16 Speaker 5: Right, sounds great, All right, Charles, try to try to

53:19 Speaker 5: stay cool down there. I know it's hot, so and

53:23 Speaker 5: we'll talk to you all right. You got it? Thanks,

53:26 Speaker 5: take care all right. That was Charles Richardson from The

53:30 Speaker 5: Charles Richardson Show, and I always love talking to Charles.

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