Matt Connarton Unleashed 8-24-25

0:03 Speaker 1: God, Command God, don't get Supreme Leader Maxill Gimmy.

0:41 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome. It is Matt Connorton Unleashed, the AF version of the show. This one is strictly online where we can say anything we want to about anything we want to Welcome everybody. I am Matt Connerton and of course Jenna's with me as well, or Jen Coffee or Jenny, however you want to call her how you want to be called.

1:00 Speaker 3: I am present and accounted for. You can call me Jen or Jenny or hate you whatever works.

1:06 Speaker 2: On this Sunday afternoon. It is Sunday, August twenty four, twenty twenty five. We are streaming the show live. Of course, this will be in the podcast feed immediately afterward. But we'll see if anyone wants to chime in, if anyone wants to pop in live with us in the chat room, if you do post something, I will try to read your comment on air if you do join us during the live stream. But yeah, we were gonna do tough Bumps with Eric Pilcher, but Eric's got a little bit of a situation he's dealing with, so I'm sure later in the week and I do have something though to mention and Jenny, I don't think I even told you this yet.

1:41 Speaker 2: Tomorrow after five pm, it might might be right out five. I'm not sure someone from the band Visus Inc. Is going to get on a stream with me and we're gonna talk about Vices Fest. We talked about it yesterday ye on the radio show.

1:57 Speaker 4: No you did not tell me.

1:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna they're gonna get on with me tomorrow to talk about it. It's, you know, obviously too late to get them in on the radio show that we do on Saturdays from wmn H. But I said, you know, let's do a stream talk about it. They they did very graciously invite us to join them, but it's, you know, it's like I said, it's really hard for us to get away. It's, you know, the festival. It's Friday, Saturday, Sunday. I'm on the air Friday night, Saturday morning, we have the radio show, and then there's always a lot going on.

2:27 Speaker 2: Our weekends are very very busy. So but I did suggest, I said, if you want to hop on a podcast with me, we can do the podcast version of the show and talk about everything, talk about you know, the festival, Vices Inc. They've got. If you go to vicesfest dot com, they've got the full lineup there and they've got a lot of great bands. A lot of the bands that are on the list that are on the schedule for vices Inc. This year for vices Fest, to be specific, is a lot of them are bands that we've had on the show recently, or or a couple of them a while ago, but a lot of them have been within the last year.

3:04 Speaker 2: So a lot of amazing, amazing talent. And there's also a few bands in there who we have not had on the show yet, but I'm sure that we will in the future because they're names that we've definitely heard about. So that will be Monday, I believe Monday at five pm Eastern, we're gonna jump on a live stream with vices Zinc. And then of course that'll be up and available in the podcast. And I know they want to give away some tickets too.

3:28 Speaker 4: Excellent.

3:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll figure out, we'll see how we can do that. We'll figure that out. But anyway, so and by the way, if you missed this weekend's radio show, of course, Matt Connorton Unleashed is a live every Saturday morning from nine am to twelve noon from the studios of WMNH ninety five point three FM. You can listen locally right here in Manchester where we are on ninety five point three FM, or of course you can stream the show from anywhere if you go to Matt connorton dot com, slash live. And of course this version of the show is strictly the podcast only one, so this has this version of the show has no direct affiliation with WM and H. We do this one all on our own, which is why we're able to be completely uncensored because it is strictly online and we can talk about any anything we want to.

4:13 Speaker 4: It can say anything we want to.

4:15 Speaker 2: We can say anything we want.

4:16 Speaker 4: To, like shit my favorite word.

4:19 Speaker 2: We can we can use that word here. Yes, we cannot use that on the radio version of the show.

4:25 Speaker 4: I like that word. Yes, a lot of my speeches.

4:29 Speaker 2: Yes, oh, we should mention too before we get to the main subject that we were going to discuss. You were you got to speaking of speeches and that that's what reminded me. You gave a speech recently.

4:44 Speaker 4: I did, Oh, yes, I did.

4:49 Speaker 3: I yes, I was happy to be at Karishma Monshore's announcement Wednesday evening, when she announced that she was officially running for Congress. She is excuse me, for Senate Federal Senate. She is running for the seat being vacated by Jean Shaheen, who is retiring. There will be a primary in this obviously. I like her for a number of reasons. First and foremost, she's a scientist who has spent her life working on medical research to try and find cures to some of the worst diseases in the world. So she's a science minded individual who has a doctorate degree, who has spent her life in service to others, trying to save their lives.

5:37 Speaker 3: And I need somebody like that in office because I'm overwhelmed with people in office who could care less.

5:45 Speaker 4: About human lives.

5:46 Speaker 3: If you can't make the money and you can't serve them, you have no purpose. And I need those people out, and I need people who have empathy and compassion and give a shit about the work in American and the working class American who's busting their ass and barely being able to scrape by right now. And I feel confident that somebody who has spent their life doing that is going to look at legislation through that lens, and I don't want a lawyer. I don't want a career politician, bullshit artists. I need somebody in that seat who was going to vote for the people first.

6:24 Speaker 3: And that's why I decided to support and endorse Charisma as a former New Hampshire State representative, myself more importantly, as a New Hampshire citizen. It's these next elections are going to be vital for so many reasons, and healthcare being predominantly one of the most important things, because without your health, you have nothing else. I had a wonderful career. I owned a house, I had over five acres of land. I never made a mortgage payment late, you know.

6:56 Speaker 4: I was that person.

6:57 Speaker 3: I made every car payment on time, I paid every bill on time. But when I got my second round of cancer, it did me in and I lost everything. So if you think this can't happen to you, it certainly can.

7:09 Speaker 4: And I worked.

7:10 Speaker 3: Multiple jobs, and all of my jobs were in medicine for my entire adult life.

7:15 Speaker 4: Basically, I mean I started out in medicine. I think I was I want to say I was twenty two maybe give or take.

7:25 Speaker 3: And that's what I did my entire life, so I wasn't somebody who was screwing around. I didn't drink hardly ever, because I was always working, Like you can't work in medicine and function and do anything like that. So I never drank. I wasn't a partier. When I was home, I was mostly sleeping. I did nights for seventeen years. I pulled twenty four hour shifts. So this shit happens, and it happens to the best of us. You know, I watched the man in Washington, d C. I know we were diverting a little bit.

7:59 Speaker 3: But when I went to Washington, d C. During a period of time when actually a Trump appointee was in charge of overseeing all of America's how basically kind of how America's finances work in conjunction with consumers and making sure that consumer rights are protected, and they were invoking creating a law that was to say that medical debt could not be put on your credit report at the federal level. Create this law cannot be put on your credit report because it is devastating and the best this And when I went to see this get announced, they had people who were sharing stories and the one that really struck me the most was a gentleman who was probably.

8:47 Speaker 4: He must have been in his seventies.

8:50 Speaker 3: Worked his whole life, had a house, had eight fifty credit, paid everything on time his entire life, and he got sick and ended up with these enormous medical bills.

9:04 Speaker 4: Now, this guy had fourteen medical.

9:07 Speaker 3: Bills and he had arranged and was making payments on every fricking one of them, and trying like hell to make payments on every single bill. It wasn't he wasn't ignoring it. He was trying, he was working, he was trying really hard. And then the car that they were using, so wait a minute.

9:25 Speaker 4: So he ends up.

9:28 Speaker 3: Not being able to balance the fourteen bills with everything else, and it goes on his credit report and focks his credit up. So he's driving back and forth for like an it takes like an hour away to go for his cancer treatments, and the car they're using to get to those treatments, all the miles, all the driving, it caught up and the car was dyet and they needed a new car. And this man who had eight to fifty credit now had shit and he couldn't qualify for our car loan for even a used car to replace the car that he needed to get to treatment to stay alive.

10:10 Speaker 2: Is that right?

10:12 Speaker 3: He did everything the way that America tells him to, paid in his entire life, paid his housep did everything right, but he got sick and it ruined his life. It stole everything from this family. And and just just to put a button on that just recently that that that's been rescinded. It's it's from it's not happening. Medical debt can continue to go on your credit report. The Trump regime's reversed that, of course, even though it was a trumpet points because it was decided under the Biden administration.

10:57 Speaker 3: Of course, no good anything that happened into Biden is just no good.

11:01 Speaker 2: Well and and it's it's an opportunity to hurt people. So and that's and Maga loves hurting people.

11:08 Speaker 3: And it doesn't make any sense to me. I don't understand why you want to ruin people's lives, like.

11:14 Speaker 2: Because they can, because they get off on it, you know, I mean, let's just call it what it is. You know a lot of people like to well, you know, you have to be respectful and have dialogue and everything. But we also need to call shit what it is. There's there's a cruelty built into mega, but there's also a general a broader in a broader sense. I've always felt this way. There is a cruelty built into conservatism. Conservatism as an ideology has a certain cruelty to it. Uh, they don't see it that way.

11:49 Speaker 2: Conservatives don't see it that way until something happens to them.

11:53 Speaker 3: That's the only way they's You made your bed, you lie in it.

11:58 Speaker 2: That's right, right, because that's what a conservative would say, or a conservative would say to the sick person who who is now who is so buried in medical debt and now can't qualify for a car loan, Well, you got to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. That's what a conservative would say.

12:18 Speaker 3: Take a second mortgage out, Take a mortgage.

12:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know.

12:23 Speaker 3: You know, because we got to make sure that that hospital ceo who's getting a five mili a year's salary never mind is bonuses and benefits, packages and everything. And trust me, he doesn't worry about covids no, I yeah, he's got to get his due.

12:40 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, I mean it's it's another argument for single pair. You know, if we had single payer in this country where you know, you're everything was just covered automatically. And by the way, I'm not talking about because you know the response that people who oppose that will say, oh, well, I don't want a government takeover of health care. No, neither do I don't want the government to take over healthcare especial. Right, that's different. I just want single payer. So then just get rid of the insurance companies.

13:06 Speaker 2: And then people will say, well, I don't want my money to pay for somebody else's health care. Well, that's what insurance is.

13:11 Speaker 4: Well's how it works.

13:13 Speaker 2: That's how insurance. So you're already doing that. You and everybody else in the pool is already paying for everybody else who's in the pool.

13:22 Speaker 4: That's how it works.

13:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you had single if you had single pair, all this all this other ship would go away, medical debt, ruining people's lives. Your your employer because people say, well, how would we pay for that if the government pays for it, Well, that's easy. Now your employer doesn't have to pay for it anymore. So now your employer, if you had single payer, and your employer didn't have to deduct money from your paycheck every week to pay for your health insurance. That's how you pay for it. It's not like I'm not even good at math and I can figure this out.

13:53 Speaker 2: Like it's actually really easy. The money's already being spent. Just let's spend it in a way that doesn't fuck people, you know.

14:00 Speaker 4: And spend it more.

14:01 Speaker 3: And you talk about and see and Republicans claim to be fiscally conservative, but they're not because they're.

14:07 Speaker 4: Not the problem.

14:08 Speaker 2: They're dishonest.

14:09 Speaker 3: Currently, in order to meet those salaries and what have you, everybody has these ginormous insurance departments and billing departments that have to do all of these different forms and different and then they have to do appeals and if things get denied, and it goes this whole back and forth and you get a prior authorization back and forth, back and forth. All these bullshit jobs that don't need to exist. Right, So that's the money you don't need to spend. I've witnessed it personally in my face, up close and personal.

14:39 Speaker 3: I went to the Netherlands. I saw a society that has national health care. Everybody pays a flat rate every month and it's like one hundred and something dollars. It's not even like what we pay. My mom was paying eight hundred dollars a month for her health insurance in Massachusetts, and that was just to get it. She still had copays, and she still had a deductible, and it was a huge deductible.

15:05 Speaker 4: And that's why she got.

15:06 Speaker 3: Her entire MRI bill handed to her on a silver platter. Because she had to meet her deductible. She had to pay the entire bill. That's how our system currently works. In a system like we're discussing, you pay your flat rate, it goes into the we'll use Medicare. It goes into Medicare. Your doctor submits to build the Medicare. Medicare pays the bill just like it does now. There's no argument, no muscle, no fuss. Everything's done appropriately, and Medicare has rules they have to follow and they can't fuck around and they got to follow the rules.

15:39 Speaker 3: So an industry is still privately owned hospitals or doctor's offices. It's not owned by the government, it's not run by the government. It's simply healthcare. And now it's healthcare that's one hundred percent being funded for the people in patient care.

15:54 Speaker 4: If the hospital.

15:56 Speaker 3: Doesn't have to have thirty employees in the billing department to deal with at a Blue Cross fill in your blank insurance, they just have to build medicare and then get paid.

16:08 Speaker 4: That's not thirty employees.

16:10 Speaker 2: It's better for everybody, everybody.

16:12 Speaker 4: So where's that money going.

16:13 Speaker 3: Then it's going into having better patient access, So it's going into having machines that are upgraded. It's going into having no low stock on supplies.

16:24 Speaker 4: I cannot tell you. I worked at ICUCCU, I worked in er cardiology.

16:30 Speaker 3: I can tell you right now there's not a single department that doesn't end up with something they fucking run out of that they shouldn't have. There are a hospital, But this is what happens in the way we've built society. In my buddies, he's a stage four cancer patient who I will tell you would be dead if he was in the United States.

16:50 Speaker 4: There's no fucking way, no doubt.

16:53 Speaker 3: He his doctor goes to the doctors, they estice levels, doctor orders a medication, medication gets or from the pharmacy, it's delivered and he gets it.

17:02 Speaker 4: And that's the fucking end of the story.

17:04 Speaker 3: Nobody's getting in the way and telling you questioning whether or not your doctor's correct.

17:10 Speaker 4: On diagnosing you.

17:11 Speaker 3: And here's another one for you, backwards medicine of American society.

17:16 Speaker 4: Bring you hurt your shoulder? It hurts when I do this, doc in the Netherlands.

17:23 Speaker 3: Let's go take a picture, see what's going on in there in America.

17:27 Speaker 4: Or go to physical therapy first.

17:30 Speaker 3: First, I'm going to send you somewhere to manipulate the joint and fuck around without taking an image, without having a clue what the hell's going on inside of you. I'm just gonna do it. They did that with me, and I had three cervical discs that were herniated and were literally moved my spinal cord, literally moved my spinal cord. But before we got those images to know that was there, I went to physical therapy for six weeks.

17:59 Speaker 2: That must be. That must be where that old joke comes from. You know, the guy goes to the doctor and says, doc, it hurts when I do this, and the doctor says, well, don't do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

18:11 Speaker 5: No.

18:11 Speaker 2: If you have if you have single payer, and just just all the bullshit goes away and it's and it and it just is better for everyone and again and.

18:18 Speaker 4: Back on the patient and not on the profits.

18:21 Speaker 2: And this is something you know, and I always complain. I complain about it a lot on the show that I do with Todd uh hanging left. You know, Democrats are terrible at messaging because they're right, they're correct on the policy on this, but they're so bad at messaging. I don't know why. I've heard Bernie say it, but I don't know why Democrats don't. They should constantly every time this subject comes up, talk about all the stuff that they they talk about and how it would be better for people. But also Democrats need to remember to say this part.

18:52 Speaker 2: If we have this system instead, if we have single payer, your employer no longer has to deduct that from your page, so that.

19:00 Speaker 4: That's more money, match it more.

19:03 Speaker 2: Money for you, right, and then you so you're not paying for it anymore and your employer isn't paying for it anymore. So that needs to be the response when someone says, well, how are we going to pay for all this? That's easy. You're already paying for it.

19:16 Speaker 4: And it's not going to cost an I'm in a leg like it does now because the hospitals and.

19:21 Speaker 6: The clinics and the doctor's office won't have the exorbitant money that they have to spend constantly on the phone with the insurance companies trying to get prior approval codes and trying and having peer to peer reviews and.

19:34 Speaker 4: Going through appeals department.

19:36 Speaker 3: I had a provider who at one point before they went into total private practice, they were in with a group of other providers and they had to hire an employee to do nothing all day, every day, Monday through Friday.

19:50 Speaker 4: But blue cross blue shield denials of care.

19:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, how expensive is that that employee? That hourly salary, social Security matching, the Medicare matching the health insurance, vacation time, six time, all of that for that employee to do nothing all day, every day, but appeals insurance companies. Let me let me make sure I say this, health insurance companies serve no purpose and have zero zero effect to increasing positive outcomes and healthcare. Give me any case, any medical case, and I challenge you to show me where the insurance company improved the outcome of that patient.

20:37 Speaker 3: If it's not a Cadillac policy that belongs to one of the freaking congress people, right, or some ceo who has a catalc. I'm talking about the same health insurance companies.

20:49 Speaker 4: That you and I and everybody else in the working.

20:52 Speaker 3: Class get those policies with the deductibles and the copase and the in network and the added network and all the bulshit just to get the medical care you need. The stress of loan cuts our life expectancy down. And that's exactly what they want. They only want us on the planet long enough to make them money and to serve them. And when that's not going to happen anymore, it's better for them if we kick off right.

21:19 Speaker 2: Well, that's the other thing too that people need to say more. I say it all the time, but this is something that people need to repeat over and over again until everyone understands this. The insurance company they only want you. They only want you on one of their plans for as long as they're able to make money from you, from your monthly premiums, from whatever they get from your employer, whatever that money is. As long as you are profitable for them, they want to cover you. Once you get sick, and you get sick enough that you begin to cost them money.

21:54 Speaker 2: Now you're no longer an asset. Now you're a liability. Let's be very blunt. Need to speak very bluntly about this. The insurance company, once you go from being an asset to a liability, the insurance company wants you to die. That sounds stark, but that is the truth because once you are dead, you no longer cost them money. So once you get sick with something, they would prefer that you die. And if they can help you to die by denying you the healthcare that you need even though you fucking pay for it.

22:33 Speaker 2: If they can find some way to deny you that healthcare to help you to die, they will gladly help you to die. They want you to die as soon as you are costing them money instead of making them money. That's the problem. And look, I'm a capitalist, Okay, this is coming from a capitalist, but this is the problem with for profit healthcare. They would rather you die than cost them money. That is a fact, so.

23:03 Speaker 3: Right, And that's partially why the narrative that they're putting out there now is when they talk about.

23:09 Speaker 4: Medicare, they call it an entitlement.

23:13 Speaker 3: When they talk about Social Security, they're calling it an entitlement. And we've got you know, it's all on umpteen videos of them saying this shit, and it's not an entitlement. These are insurance programs that you and I pay into our whole efort lives.

23:28 Speaker 4: From the minute you start paying taxes, you stop paying.

23:31 Speaker 3: In Medicare and Social Security and Disability Social Security Disability Insurance s sd EYE is insurance.

23:42 Speaker 4: We pay for it for the just in case, just like you do at your job.

23:46 Speaker 3: I have a long term disability private insurance, and we have a public Social Security disability insurance. These are the things that you pay for so that when it happens, if it happens to you, you have that to depend on and you bust your ass and you pay into it in every fucking paycheck.

24:08 Speaker 4: Every job I had, I paid in every paycheck.

24:11 Speaker 3: They got their cut, and if I made a lot of more, if I got overtime, they took a bigger fucking cut. Sometimes working overtime wasn't even worth it because they would take it all in taxes. You get in that spot where right here, I can make a little more money, but if I work X number of hours they take so much in taxes. I didn't end up getting home with fucking anything. Or until you get to the next bracket. You might get to keep a little more. You have to really kill yourself to see that in your paycheck.

24:43 Speaker 2: Right, Well, should we move on to the uh, yes, to the main subject that we were going to talk about today. So the other thing is h Trump is now threatening to send National Guard, deploy the National Guard in Chicago to help with crime. Yeah, I guess and yep, so putting more American military on the streets.

25:17 Speaker 3: The news is reporting I saw this before you and I went live. Fox News is reporting that he wants to expand it to nineteen states, and they had a map. The majority of the states were in the southern region of the United States, so like Florida's on there. I believe the Carolina was on there, but there was nothing in the northeast. Really, everything was mostly in the lower part of the country.

25:41 Speaker 4: Another nineteen states. He wants to deploy military troops on American soil against Americans.

25:52 Speaker 2: Well they don't. So, you know, the people who support this, they don't look at it as because they, you know, maga look at I think they assume that not only every undocumented immigrant, or or even some immigrants who maybe are documented, you know, I I think I think from their point of view, they assume that everyone who's doing criminal activity is probably uh is probably an immigrant, documented or otherwise, because that's kind.

26:20 Speaker 4: Of how criminal activity.

26:22 Speaker 2: That's that's kind of how they view Can you say.

26:25 Speaker 4: That some of these stops are really questionable?

26:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, so what what's so interesting to me is and and you've you've pointed this out, you know, you mentioned it earlier. A lot of what Trump is doing are things that uh during the Obama administration, UH conservatives would rail against, even though Obama wasn't actually doing any of these things. But but they, you know, and I used to be you know, I was a co host on a show called Rock Paper hand Grenades, the late Garias Hopper, you know who. You know. I loved Gary and I miss him. But on that show, I interacted with a lot of people who thought that way, who had all these wild ideas with their very vivid imaginations about all these things that Obama was going to do.

27:16 Speaker 2: Obama was going to any day now, Obama was going to declare martial law. Obama was going to deploy American military in cities across the country. Obama was going to refuse to leave Yes at the end of his second.

27:32 Speaker 3: Term and there will be some sort of terms and Alex Jones was railing on that, and so were libertarians across the country.

27:40 Speaker 4: I was a Republican.

27:41 Speaker 3: I served with Gary in the New Hampshire State House. And the foundation for some of the groups that have turned into really bizarre white supremacist organizations today were founded on the idea of keeping military away from citizens.

27:59 Speaker 4: Positcomic.

28:00 Speaker 3: And I'll give you the example of which where a lot of this started was when Katrina happened and US military National Guard went into Katrina to help. There were and there were videos of them going around and actually disarming people who had firearms they legally possessed in that state. And there's a famous video amongst conservatives, and and it is and I've.

28:30 Speaker 4: Seen it a zillion times. You can go look it up. It's still up. It's last I checked. It was. Go on YouTube.

28:34 Speaker 3: There's an elderly lady who is in an apartment building. She is elevated, she is not flooded in her apartment whatsoever.

28:43 Speaker 4: She's on dry land. She's got food and shit in there, and she has a firearm.

28:48 Speaker 3: And the GNAT the in the National Guard, along with whatever PD there was literally put this woman, this elderly woman who had to have been in.

28:59 Speaker 4: Her seventy our eighties.

29:02 Speaker 3: Against the wall, took the firearm from her and left because she didn't want to go anywhere, so they left her disarmed and unable to defend herself.

29:14 Speaker 4: Why why that, you know, that was what we were railing against. Why this woman was doing nothing wrong. She was simply in her home, riding it out high and dry.

29:23 Speaker 3: She's got food, she's got water, She's doing all right on her own accord.

29:27 Speaker 4: And at the.

29:28 Speaker 7: Same token, let's remember while this was going on, people had been moved into an astrodome that was subsequently not only flooded, but there were numerous accounts of rape and assault and theft because people were put into this with no policing whatsoever.

29:46 Speaker 4: So they instead of having the.

29:47 Speaker 3: National Guard and the dome policing, they had them out on fucking boats going to people's places and disarming them.

29:56 Speaker 4: This is what we were talking about back then.

30:00 Speaker 3: This is what we were talking and martial law could get declared and.

30:04 Speaker 4: That whole aspect. Now, let's look at life today. The current Republican party has.

30:11 Speaker 3: Now endorsed the police state that they used to rail against. We didn't want a police state, no military on our streets like they have in communist countries. We're not going to be North Korea. We're fucking North Korea. He's putting military on the streets. He's already done it in LA, excuse me, in DC, in LA, he's doing it now, going for Chicago, with plans to do another eighteen or so states. How long before it's in every state. What happened to states' rights and Tenth Amendment rights to states rights?

30:48 Speaker 3: What happened to posi coomatatis? No military against Americans, that's part of basic American law. These things have been completely thrown aside. Here's what I do know about myself now. I am not a Republican anymore. Trump maybe a Democrat a long time ago. And but I will say this, I'm still saying the same thing. The police state, they'll military on American soil against Americans.

31:18 Speaker 4: I'm still saying that they're not.

31:21 Speaker 3: They've changed, they've given up states rights, they've given up the rights of a country that wasn't supposed to be military run.

31:31 Speaker 4: Like this is insanity to me.

31:33 Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, though, my perception I don't think in a sense they've changed, because of course they're you know, they're all in the cult. Not literally all of them, but most of them are in the cult. Most Republicans and the Trump called the Maga cult. So whatever their god king says goes, and they don't question anything. They question a little bit with Epstein, but the Epstein files, but even that's starting to fade away. Ultimately they'll go with what you know. I mean, Trump could tell these people the sky was green, and they'd all walk outside and look up and goah, I always thought it was blue, but yeah, I could kind of see it now.

32:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, So you know, the mindless herd of Maga will go in, we can spend how much.

32:13 Speaker 3: Money on a parade, but we can't find healthcare.

32:16 Speaker 2: Right, military parades and everything, all the stuff that they used to pretend to be creeped out by. But in another sense, they have not changed, because my perception of Republicans and conservatives has always been that they're they're basically pretty phony because they they're always inconsistent. Take take government spending for example, They're only fiscal conservatives when a Democrat is in the White House, When a Republican's in the White House. We've got money to burn as far as they're concerned, and they don't get it now.

32:48 Speaker 7: They will take it from food stamps, that's true, Wick, that's true.

32:54 Speaker 3: Housing assistance, Yeah, from feeding children in school.

32:58 Speaker 2: We can take the money from all of that, right, right.

33:01 Speaker 3: Or what is it forty for a billion some odd crazy dollars nationwide just from the schools or millions, I don't know what it is.

33:09 Speaker 4: It's a crazy right.

33:11 Speaker 2: But but they'll they'll still take the money. Yeah, they'll they'll cut, they'll cut anything that helps people because, as I said, because you know, because conservatism is cruel in its nature now, but they will then of course, you know, they'll spend it elsewhere military spending. Not that I oppose all military spending. I do not. I'm not like a I'm not. I'm not far left from you need.

33:36 Speaker 4: A strong defensey.

33:37 Speaker 2: But but there is a lot of you know, there's a lot of waste, fraud and abuse in that zone, and of course, uh you know, all kinds of corporate welfare and.

33:46 Speaker 3: How much money to cost to send him to Scotland beast and the ambulance and all the cars and all the so he could cut the ribbon on his own golf course.

33:57 Speaker 2: Yeah.

33:58 Speaker 3: And now he's he's tax dollars to buy stock in Intel.

34:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's something that if Biden had done that. Oh my god, they go insane.

34:11 Speaker 3: I done that, Obama said troops in Obama sent in troops into.

34:16 Speaker 2: A any of this, any of this stuff. But it's true.

34:21 Speaker 3: But the same people that claim we don't need this because the churches will do it, how come none of them are out front going, hey, my church is going to start, we're going to adopt the school, and we're gonna make sure that the kids have a healthy lunch every day.

34:36 Speaker 4: We're going to take care of that. I haven't heard that yet.

34:40 Speaker 3: You know, none of the food pantries are reporting in overabundance.

34:44 Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, a lot of them are running on empty and don't even have some basic staples in stock anymore. So I don't see it happening there. Buccos.

34:57 Speaker 3: No, that's just the bullshit. You feed yourself so you could sleep at night.

35:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, this is all you know, they're they're all on board with whatever Trump does. So but yeah, but it is funny. I mean, there's so much of what Trumps does or has done. That Again, it's it's stuff that they They didn't talk about it as much with Biden, not nearly as much, but but with Obama, all these crazy conspiracy theories about all this stuff he was going to do and to remain and power on martial law and everything. Oh, it's almost as though there was something about Obama that was different somehow, because with other Democratic presidents I can't remember the level of paranoia that they exhibited.

35:37 Speaker 2: It's almost as though there was something about Barack Obama that just freaked them out and just rock Obama really bothered them to their core. I can't think of exactly what it might have been, something about him that was different from any other president that just made them.

35:55 Speaker 4: Maybe could have been that.

35:57 Speaker 2: I also liked the duality with which they were able to, you know, this view, this this dichotomous way they were able to view Obama because they would talk about him like he was this this very weak, ffeckless leader, this incompetent guy who couldn't couldn't do anything right, and he was just just very very weak who also was going to single handedly destroy America. Yeah, I always thought that was interesting, But yeah, so yeah, they're gonna keep deploying troops. I mean obviously doing that in DC.

36:27 Speaker 2: Uh that was just h that was a test run. And by the way, part of why this works too with conservatives and why they're willing to go along with this again all this stuff that if a Democrat did it, they'd be melting down, is because it also feeds into the uh, what we call the blue cities fallacy, because conservatives love to talk about how, oh, all these Democrat run cities, Uh, they're they're also riddled with crime. Well, the reality is most major metropolitan areas do have crime. That's part of being in a city.

36:56 Speaker 2: And most major metropolitan areas tend to be run by Democrats because that's who the people in those cities vote for. Urban areas tend to vote conservative. Uh, but uh, cities, metro areas, even in the suburbs, they vote Democrat. So that's who you get. So no matter who's in charge, whether it's a Republican or a Democrat, in any city in America, you're going to have crime. But they see they take that and they kind of twist it and say, oh, look that city's got a high rate of crime and well, the mayor's a Democrat, see, you know, and it's it's bullshit.

37:31 Speaker 4: Very much so.

37:32 Speaker 3: But to say to bounce off of something that you had said, what was different about Obama? Right, Well, now put that in what we're looking at here with military and what Ice is doing there can they're they're unapologetically

37:47 Speaker 3: profiling people. There was a story I saw earlier of a kiddo that got stopped and taken because you know, he looked Mexican.

37:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what's going on.

37:59 Speaker 3: So profile is now back, and not only that, but worse. Quotas quoters are very very bad in law enforcement for many many reasons, but the biggest one being is that because you make a quota, they will grab anybody and everybody that could potentially fit the bill and prove them guilty later. That's why we stopped allowing quotas in law enforcement was for that reason. That's why we don't allow it with speeding tickets. Remember we don't. I mean, average America will tell you they don't want quotas on tickets.

38:31 Speaker 3: Why because it encourages the cops to stop people for petty little shit instead of letting the petty little shit go and going after the speeder, the crazy driver, the person that's really going to cause an accident. They're pulling over the dude that doesn't have a seatbelt on, right, because they got to make their quota. This is why we don't want quotas in law enforcement. We shouldn't have them. Now we have them in spades. Now they want three thousand arrests for ice. And the reason that they're putting he's putting military under the guise of criminality.

39:02 Speaker 3: But they're also saying they are also being sent to assist ice.

39:09 Speaker 2: Yeah.

39:09 Speaker 4: So we have the.

39:10 Speaker 3: Military and law enforcement in every capacity profiling everybody on an American street, and if you potentially look like you might not be white, they're going to stop you in question your status and you have and they don't care.

39:27 Speaker 4: Like, how many videos have you seen?

39:29 Speaker 3: I know, I've seen quite a few of people yelling I'm an American, I got rights, I got rights.

39:34 Speaker 4: Oh you don't have no rights, dude, Now, you ain't get no rights here. Yeah, but I'm an American. Now you're not. No, you're not.

39:42 Speaker 3: And they take them and they make their quota. That's why they take them, and they don't listen to them, and they don't check their ID, and they don't do any of the things they're supposed to do because we've given them permission to no longer follow the rules. Yeah, uh yeah, and it's snowballing. And now he wants to do this in nineteen states. Yeah, and you know, you know, and gee, why are we targeting Chicago?

40:11 Speaker 4: Why is Chicago next?

40:15 Speaker 2: Hmmm? Well Obama's from there originally?

40:19 Speaker 4: Oh is that? Could there be any other reasons?

40:23 Speaker 2: Oh? I don't know.

40:26 Speaker 4: You know, there's an awful lot of people there who are not white.

40:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, and definitely they're targeting people.

40:39 Speaker 4: They're targeting black and brown people.

40:41 Speaker 3: They want to catch anybody in anybody that can remotely decide is illegal, even if you're here legally, you have a green card, you've done everything right, They just okay. In Maine, there was a police officer in Maine hired obviously by the town is H one B.

41:00 Speaker 4: Did everything correct.

41:02 Speaker 3: Dudes from Jamaica had H one B visa green card all nine yards. He's been a working police officer for like twenty fucking years.

41:10 Speaker 4: They he just had.

41:11 Speaker 3: He just ended up having to self deport to Jamaica. Because if you don't self deport and you're forcefully deported, it's a blemish on you that can prohibit you from ever coming back to the country. If you self deport, you still have the chance of coming back. And that's why some folks are choosing to do that because it's it's it's your hail Mary to be able to see your family again in person and not through a computer screen.

41:40 Speaker 2: So what we need to do, if there were any political will to do this is, you know, because I always say, we're doing things in the wrong order, we need a massive, comprehensive overhaul of our immigration system first, and then we can figure out who to remove, because I'm all for you know, deporting criminals, but you know they should actually be criminals. But we also need to, you know, we need to figure out a way to bring people out of the shadows, have a have a program where people can apply for citizenship or some form of legal status like the individual and main you were just speaking about.

42:17 Speaker 4: But they did, they did all of that.

42:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, but we need something. We need something much simpler that would be prefer you know, and we need these people in the country. And this is the other part I wish, and again I wish Democrats would say this because but they don't because they're bad at messaging. But this is something that needs to be explained to people. And I say it all the time.

42:40 Speaker 5: Uh.

42:40 Speaker 2: You know, immigrants, no matter how much you know, you can look, you cannot like brown people all you want to, but you need them here. They are essential to the economy. Immigrants are essential to the regardless of how they entered. They are essential to our nation's economy.

42:56 Speaker 4: Look, we've already got fruits rotten on the vine and.

43:00 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, these.

43:01 Speaker 3: Farmers wine now and then they're not getting the subsidies anymore from the government.

43:05 Speaker 4: So they're going to go belly up.

43:07 Speaker 2: Yeah.

43:07 Speaker 3: And then the big companies like Walmart are going to come in and buy it and take it over so they can make because you know, they got their own chicken and shit. Yeah, so these companies are going to come in and buy up these farms, and the farmers are going to end up working the land just the same, but.

43:23 Speaker 4: They're going to be working it for Walmart or.

43:27 Speaker 3: Fill in the blank, whatever, why basket whomever.

43:31 Speaker 2: You're just gonna drive up food prices. I always say, if you could wave some sort of xenophobic magic wand and all of a sudden, everybody you don't like wasn't in the country anymore. Our economy would collapse overnight. It would, it would. People don't believe you though, No, that people don't believe. But it's well an economists. Economists believe that though. Ask any economists, I'll tell you these people are essential to the economy, like you need to fix the system.

43:57 Speaker 3: My girlfriend and I sometimes we like to go to the dollar store, and there are a number of dollar stores around here that are closing in unusual hours because they don't have the staff to stay open, right, I mean, like three o'clock in the afternoon, they're closing, or they are closed because they don't have the staff to stay open. All these places you go to that are understaffed, and that's happening across the board.

44:20 Speaker 4: Understaffed.

44:21 Speaker 3: In medicine, you'd be surprised at how many people are in medicine working on green cards. We have doctors, nurses, all kinds of specialties.

44:34 Speaker 4: What we don't have is a rising rank.

44:37 Speaker 3: Of those coming up that are going to become the doctors of tomorrow to take care of us.

44:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, when the current crop completely retires.

44:45 Speaker 2: Well, and if you're if you're here with a green card. I mean the way they keep changing the rules now to find excuses to get rid of more people, get rid of more immigrants. If you're if you are a green card holder, you know you got to be worried that you're you're green car card is going to get pulled early and they're not going to be all the renew your status. You know, there's all kinds of shit that could go wrong.

45:06 Speaker 4: And this is that green this is that quota.

45:09 Speaker 3: That's why that's why ICE is raiding Lowells is raiding farms where.

45:17 Speaker 4: People are actually working.

45:20 Speaker 3: And they actually exactly and they actually get paychecks and pay taxes and shit like right right the easy because it's easy pickens. It's just like the state trooper that sits at the bottom of a hill that jumps from fifty miles an hour to thirty five because he knows he can snag anybody right there.

45:37 Speaker 4: And that's what they're doing.

45:38 Speaker 3: They're going to the courthouses where people who who have legal documentation, they're following the rules, they've done everything right. They're going in for a hearing that they're required to go to, and all of a sudden, their cases are being dismissed, and that enables ICE.

45:57 Speaker 4: To pick them up. Ye see, it's a pending case. Ice can't get them. Yeah, Ice is there. Yeah, we want you to dismiss d D D da da.

46:07 Speaker 3: They dismiss those cases and they pick those people up easy pickens. I'm getting my three thousand a day quota. Yeah, because that's the that's the quota. It's three thousand a day. Yeah.

46:20 Speaker 4: Well, when you run out of illegals, where do you go if that's your claim? Yeah, so, and they did that a long time ago.

46:29 Speaker 3: Okay, maybe in the beginning, they were picking up people who were criminalized, and occasionally they grab somebody who is a criminal who has done terrible things, who doesn't have a deportation order, and that's the person that absolutely, yes, we don't want the Cereal rapists to be in the country. Of course, when you go into the ice cream man who's served this community for over twenty years, he's got a green car, done everything right, pays his taxes.

46:57 Speaker 4: And you literally take him because he's easy pickings.

47:00 Speaker 2: Yeah. And as far as the people who are here illegally, because you know, there will always be people who will say and you know, like I have a family member who will say this, and I'll get a series of angry text messages from them, I'm sure after today's show. But you know, well, Matt, what about the people who entered the country illegally? They they committed a crime, and technically it's a misdemeanor.

47:22 Speaker 3: If you want to remember, those people want it to be a felony.

47:27 Speaker 2: Though, Oh I know, I know, but but you know, the people who look in a better world, obviously I would want everyone to enter the country legally. And I'm not you know, I'm not for open borders there. You know, as a sovereign nation, we have every right to protect our border and control who comes in and out and who knows who comes in and all of that right. But here's the thing though, this is and again I wish this is something I wish democrats would say when having these arguments. Regardless of how you feel about people coming into the country illegally, we built an economy that depends on people coming into the country illegally to work on these farms and in these factories and in hospitality.

48:16 Speaker 2: Maybe if all of you who have such a problem, who are so mad about these people who broke our laws coming into the country illegally. Well, maybe we shouldn't have built an economy that depends on them, and it does depend on them, so but we did. We built an economy that depends on these people. So now that we've done that, let's acknowledge that. Let's own that and now fix the system.

48:45 Speaker 4: In one self, let me pay devil's advocate. Here's the other side.

48:49 Speaker 5: Oh but see, all of the lazy Americans who are collecting entitlements are going to take over those service industry jobs, in farm worker jobs.

49:00 Speaker 3: They're gonna do it because this is an invisible number of people who don't fucking exist.

49:06 Speaker 4: They're gonna fill these blanks because, in case.

49:08 Speaker 3: You hadn't noticed, the dollar store was closed in at three ninety percent of the retail stores I go to.

49:15 Speaker 4: Don't have enough staff.

49:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, like the medical industry does not have enough staff. There are plenty of wonderful jobs out there that aren't staffed. And it's not because of america laziest. It's because America stopped having eight and ten fucking kids. Yeah, we stopped having babies left, right and center.

49:35 Speaker 4: So women couldn't have babies anymore because we didn't believe in any kind of birth control.

49:39 Speaker 3: That stopped, and when we stopped having supersized families, there weren't people to fill the void in the holes that are now occurring. I'm an only child, and I know a lot of people who are only children.

49:53 Speaker 4: In my generation.

49:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah.

49:56 Speaker 3: My dad's generation people had like four or five kids, but my grandmother's generation they had like eight and kids, and that has progressively changed generation after generation. So there doesn't exist this invisible number of people who are going to miraculously jump up out of the corn weaves.

50:18 Speaker 2: And stop picking.

50:19 Speaker 4: It's not gonna happen. It's just not gonna happen.

50:23 Speaker 3: Are the number of people in the United States who are lazy and don't work, of course, but it makes up about one percent. Because we have a system that is so fucking hard to get into.

50:34 Speaker 4: People don't understand.

50:35 Speaker 3: And I challenge conservatives to go to their social departments and find out just how hard it is to get food stamps to get wick make it do They don't make it easy.

50:48 Speaker 4: And that's intentional.

50:50 Speaker 3: That's to make sure that the people who need it are getting it, and that's also to weed out people who aren't allowed to get it. Which includes somebody who is not in the country, who he's an undocumented soul who doesn't have papers with them. That person can't get them because they don't have the papers.

51:09 Speaker 2: You have to have papers.

51:11 Speaker 3: You have to be a documented human being in the country or a citizen to even remotely come close to qualifying it. People think that you just go in there and go, hey, I'm hungry, here's.

51:23 Speaker 4: Two hundred bucks of stamps. It doesn't work like that.

51:25 Speaker 2: It doesn't really die, no, and.

51:29 Speaker 3: It never has. It never has, I can remember. I'll tell you a quick story. When I was very very young, when I was twenty two going right twenty to twenty three years old, I was told I could not have children, and then suddenly I got pregnant. I had been married for a couple of years and my husband, who's passed away at the time at the time, got appendicitis right after I got let go for my job because me being young, stupid, and naive, I had a job that I was within ninety days. I hadn't passed my ninety days yet and I was working with chemicals, and shit, I'm all excited and I say, hey, I'm pregnant.

52:11 Speaker 4: Well, the next day they fired me. Now I filed for unemployment. I won. They lied.

52:19 Speaker 3: They provided my time cards and it showed that I never missed time. So I actually collected unemployment because they illegally fired me. That said, he was out of work with appendicitist emergency surgery and I was out of work. So we had an entire month of no income and it was and we were only allowed to get emergency food stamps.

52:45 Speaker 4: I remember this for It was two hundred bucks.

52:48 Speaker 3: It was emergency, one time allotment only, and that was it. It didn't matter that I was now unemployed, even though he was going back to work. He was going back to work, so that was that was fine, that's enough. You got it for the one month for emergency.

53:03 Speaker 4: And that was it.

53:06 Speaker 2: Yeah.

53:07 Speaker 3: Now these programs aren't handouts, Nope, they're very difficult to get, and they are things that we pay for because we don't want people to die and starve in our society like they do in other countries. Right apparently that's changing now, Apparently we'd rather let people starve to death. We want children to go hungry in schools like I've got. It's kind of does it surprise you? Like how vigorously and aggressive they are to take away school lunch.

53:40 Speaker 2: Oh no, nothing, nothing surprises me anymore. I mean, you know G's Nazis and conquered. Didn't even surprise me. No, nothing surprises me anymore.

53:49 Speaker 3: I mean, why why are we trying to not feed children? What happened to you Christian values? It is scouting.

53:55 Speaker 4: We're ch right.

53:57 Speaker 2: If I wake up tomorrow to martial law having been declared, it won't.

54:02 Speaker 3: Be surprised to see them when their elections get suspended so there's no midterm.

54:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they're already trying to jerry me into that. Yeah.

54:10 Speaker 3: How long is it before two states goes into nineteen states goes into all fifty fucking states that we now have National Guard and appointed law enforcement officers over the law enforcement officers that were elected.

54:25 Speaker 4: Or in or appointed by our own state. States rights be damned.

54:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, they like to talk about states rights. But again, it's only it's like I said, whether it's that or fiscal policy or you know, it's only you know, it's only when.

54:42 Speaker 4: When it's convenient to their convenience, when.

54:44 Speaker 2: It's convenient for them, they'll they'll they'll flip on anything that, you know, if they can, if they can find a way to hurt people. I mean, that's that's a big, big part of it.

54:53 Speaker 3: Military in the streets. And they did just change it now too that now they're going to carry arms. Of course, they weren't carrying guns. They were just there supposedly to assist. But now they're current carrying ak's down the street and patrolling the street, you know, like we're living in fucking China.

55:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's.

55:16 Speaker 3: No just And then they had the right to just simply pick somebody up off and take them off, yeah, and take off with them.

55:23 Speaker 2: Yeah.

55:25 Speaker 3: No, due process when you throw in that, people are so quick to throw away due process rights to so called undocumented people. Do they not understand they're doing that. They're opening that for us, for the rest of America, for other America. It's not It doesn't just stop with one. It never does. The proverbial nose under the camel's tent.

55:48 Speaker 2: Yeah. They'll also try to rationalize it by saying, well, the Constitution only applies to Americans, which is not true. No, that's a misunderstanding. It applies to anyone in the country. Yeah, it applies to anyone within our borders. Yeah.

56:01 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Uh, we are militarizing of our country. Yeah, and they're gonna make it they want And what is it we used to say all the time back in the day. They want you to get used to seeing that. They want to become normalized, for you to see military walking down the street carrying ak's military gear.

56:24 Speaker 4: They want you to be that. Yes, they want you in fear of it.

56:29 Speaker 3: Yes, they want you to mind your p's and q's and not speak poorly of them out of fear of being arrested.

56:36 Speaker 2: That's right, absolutely, that is what they want. All right. Well, I think on that note, was there anything else you wanted to mention or talk about. I don't think so, Okay, all right very much, Yeah, yeah, no, we can we can stop on that and I'll get this into the Yeah.

57:00 Speaker 4: I think this is a good place to stop.

57:02 Speaker 3: I mean, I hope that people will stand up, speak up. You have to get up, and you have to get active. This isn't politics as usual. Right in the old days, Democrats and Republicans worked across party lines came to agreements that were suitable for most. Now it's this right, extreme right ring rule and a regime that is militarizing our country and this cannot be the America that you want. So you've got to get active. And if you're not sure how to do that, reach out. Be happy to bring you in and show you what we're doing and what other people are doing, and hopefully bring in your ideas to combat this because we have got to or democracy is dead.

57:47 Speaker 3: And I don't say that to just throw that out there, but for real, if there's if there's military in the streets and there's no there's nobody holding anybody accountable, this isn't democracy, this is fascism.

58:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. All right, Jenny, you want to mention your website for people to keep up with everything that you're doing.

58:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, come check out what I'm doing.

58:12 Speaker 3: Actually, it just got my first byline on Common Dreams. I'm super proud of that. Read all about it in my blog and other things coming up at Gencoffee dot com. J E N n c O F f e y dot com.

58:25 Speaker 2: And you can learn more about me at Matt Connorton dot com and all my various podcasting and radio endeavors. Also, if you'd like to book or learn about having a hypnotherapy session, we can do that too, so you can reach me that way. And of course go to ipmnation dot com for services if you need digital marketing services or promotional services for your music or any other type of venture podcast or whatever it may be ipmnation dot com. And if you are streaming this live on Sunday, just a quick reminder.

58:56 Speaker 2: On Monday, which will be the twenty fifth, at I believe, at five pm, we're going to do a stream with Vices Inc. About vices Fest which is coming up next weekend Labor Day weekend at the Strand and Dover. It is an amazing three day festival and looking forward to learning more about that. There's gonna be a lot of great bands. There are many of whom who have been on the show over the past couple of years. So all right, that's it for us for now, Thanks Jenny, and we'll talk to you a little bit later.

59:24 Speaker 2: Bye everybody, Bye bye Commander.

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