Matt Connarton Unleashed 8-24-25

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0:41 Speaker 2: Hey, everybody, welcome. It is Matt Connorton Unleashed, the AF

0:45 Speaker 2: version of the show. This one is strictly online where

0:48 Speaker 2: we can say anything we want to about anything we

0:50 Speaker 2: want to Welcome everybody. I am Matt Connerton and of

0:53 Speaker 2: course Jenna's with me as well, or Jen Coffee or Jenny,

0:57 Speaker 2: however you want to call her how you want to

0:59 Speaker 2: be called.

1:00 Speaker 3: I am present and accounted for. You can call me

1:03 Speaker 3: Jen or Jenny or hate you whatever works.

1:06 Speaker 2: On this Sunday afternoon. It is Sunday, August twenty four,

1:10 Speaker 2: twenty twenty five. We are streaming the show live. Of course,

1:13 Speaker 2: this will be in the podcast feed immediately afterward. But

1:16 Speaker 2: we'll see if anyone wants to chime in, if anyone

1:18 Speaker 2: wants to pop in live with us in the chat room,

1:22 Speaker 2: if you do post something, I will try to read

1:24 Speaker 2: your comment on air if you do join us during

1:27 Speaker 2: the live stream. But yeah, we were gonna do tough

1:30 Speaker 2: Bumps with Eric Pilcher, but Eric's got a little bit

1:32 Speaker 2: of a situation he's dealing with, so I'm sure later

1:35 Speaker 2: in the week and I do have something though to

1:38 Speaker 2: mention and Jenny, I don't think I even told you

1:40 Speaker 2: this yet. Tomorrow after five pm, it might might be

1:45 Speaker 2: right out five. I'm not sure someone from the band

1:49 Speaker 2: Visus Inc. Is going to get on a stream with

1:52 Speaker 2: me and we're gonna talk about Vices Fest. We talked

1:54 Speaker 2: about it yesterday ye on the radio show.

1:57 Speaker 4: No you did not tell me.

1:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, they're gonna they're gonna get on with me tomorrow

2:01 Speaker 2: to talk about it. It's, you know, obviously too late

2:04 Speaker 2: to get them in on the radio show that we

2:06 Speaker 2: do on Saturdays from wmn H. But I said, you know,

2:09 Speaker 2: let's do a stream talk about it. They they did

2:12 Speaker 2: very graciously invite us to join them, but it's, you know,

2:15 Speaker 2: it's like I said, it's really hard for us to

2:17 Speaker 2: get away. It's, you know, the festival. It's Friday, Saturday, Sunday.

2:22 Speaker 2: I'm on the air Friday night, Saturday morning, we have

2:24 Speaker 2: the radio show, and then there's always a lot going on.

2:27 Speaker 2: Our weekends are very very busy. So but I did suggest,

2:30 Speaker 2: I said, if you want to hop on a podcast

2:32 Speaker 2: with me, we can do the podcast version of the

2:34 Speaker 2: show and talk about everything, talk about you know, the festival,

2:38 Speaker 2: Vices Inc. They've got. If you go to vicesfest dot com,

2:44 Speaker 2: they've got the full lineup there and they've got a

2:46 Speaker 2: lot of great bands. A lot of the bands that

2:49 Speaker 2: are on the list that are on the schedule for

2:52 Speaker 2: vices Inc. This year for vices Fest, to be specific,

2:55 Speaker 2: is a lot of them are bands that we've had

2:58 Speaker 2: on the show recently, or or a couple of them

3:01 Speaker 2: a while ago, but a lot of them have been

3:03 Speaker 2: within the last year. So a lot of amazing, amazing talent.

3:07 Speaker 2: And there's also a few bands in there who we

3:09 Speaker 2: have not had on the show yet, but I'm sure

3:11 Speaker 2: that we will in the future because they're names that

3:13 Speaker 2: we've definitely heard about. So that will be Monday, I

3:17 Speaker 2: believe Monday at five pm Eastern, we're gonna jump on

3:21 Speaker 2: a live stream with vices Zinc. And then of course

3:23 Speaker 2: that'll be up and available in the podcast. And I

3:25 Speaker 2: know they want to give away some tickets too.

3:28 Speaker 4: Excellent.

3:29 Speaker 2: Yeah, so we'll figure out, we'll see how we can

3:32 Speaker 2: do that. We'll figure that out. But anyway, so and

3:35 Speaker 2: by the way, if you missed this weekend's radio show,

3:38 Speaker 2: of course, Matt Connorton Unleashed is a live every Saturday

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4:00 Speaker 2: the show is strictly the podcast only one, so this

4:02 Speaker 2: has this version of the show has no direct affiliation

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4:07 Speaker 2: our own, which is why we're able to be completely

4:09 Speaker 2: uncensored because it is strictly online and we can talk

4:11 Speaker 2: about any anything we want to.

4:13 Speaker 4: It can say anything we want to.

4:15 Speaker 2: We can say anything we want.

4:16 Speaker 4: To, like shit my favorite word.

4:19 Speaker 2: We can we can use that word here. Yes, we

4:22 Speaker 2: cannot use that on the radio version of the show.

4:25 Speaker 4: I like that word. Yes, a lot of my speeches.

4:29 Speaker 2: Yes, oh, we should mention too before we get to

4:33 Speaker 2: the main subject that we were going to discuss. You

4:36 Speaker 2: were you got to speaking of speeches and that that's

4:40 Speaker 2: what reminded me. You gave a speech recently.

4:44 Speaker 4: I did, Oh, yes, I did.

4:49 Speaker 3: I yes, I was happy to be at Karishma Monshore's

4:56 Speaker 3: announcement Wednesday evening, when she announced that she was officially

5:01 Speaker 3: running for Congress. She is excuse me, for Senate Federal Senate.

5:06 Speaker 3: She is running for the seat being vacated by Jean Shaheen,

5:10 Speaker 3: who is retiring. There will be a primary in this obviously.

5:15 Speaker 3: I like her for a number of reasons. First and foremost,

5:19 Speaker 3: she's a scientist who has spent her life working on

5:23 Speaker 3: medical research to try and find cures to some of

5:27 Speaker 3: the worst diseases in the world. So she's a science

5:30 Speaker 3: minded individual who has a doctorate degree, who has spent

5:33 Speaker 3: her life in service to others, trying to save their lives.

5:37 Speaker 3: And I need somebody like that in office because I'm

5:41 Speaker 3: overwhelmed with people in office who could care less.

5:45 Speaker 4: About human lives.

5:46 Speaker 3: If you can't make the money and you can't serve them,

5:49 Speaker 3: you have no purpose. And I need those people out,

5:53 Speaker 3: and I need people who have empathy and compassion and

5:56 Speaker 3: give a shit about the work in American and the

5:58 Speaker 3: working class American who's busting their ass and barely being

6:02 Speaker 3: able to scrape by right now. And I feel confident

6:05 Speaker 3: that somebody who has spent their life doing that is

6:08 Speaker 3: going to look at legislation through that lens, and I

6:12 Speaker 3: don't want a lawyer. I don't want a career politician,

6:17 Speaker 3: bullshit artists. I need somebody in that seat who was

6:22 Speaker 3: going to vote for the people first. And that's why

6:25 Speaker 3: I decided to support and endorse Charisma as a former

6:30 Speaker 3: New Hampshire State representative, myself more importantly, as a New

6:34 Speaker 3: Hampshire citizen. It's these next elections are going to be

6:39 Speaker 3: vital for so many reasons, and healthcare being predominantly one

6:44 Speaker 3: of the most important things, because without your health, you

6:46 Speaker 3: have nothing else. I had a wonderful career. I owned

6:49 Speaker 3: a house, I had over five acres of land. I

6:53 Speaker 3: never made a mortgage payment late, you know.

6:56 Speaker 4: I was that person.

6:57 Speaker 3: I made every car payment on time, I paid every

6:59 Speaker 3: bill on time. But when I got my second round

7:02 Speaker 3: of cancer, it did me in and I lost everything.

7:06 Speaker 3: So if you think this can't happen to you, it

7:08 Speaker 3: certainly can.

7:09 Speaker 4: And I worked.

7:10 Speaker 3: Multiple jobs, and all of my jobs were in medicine

7:14 Speaker 3: for my entire adult life.

7:15 Speaker 4: Basically, I mean I started out in medicine. I think

7:18 Speaker 4: I was I want to say I was twenty two

7:22 Speaker 4: maybe give or take.

7:25 Speaker 3: And that's what I did my entire life, so I

7:31 Speaker 3: wasn't somebody who was screwing around. I didn't drink hardly ever,

7:36 Speaker 3: because I was always working, Like you can't work in

7:39 Speaker 3: medicine and function and do anything like that. So I

7:42 Speaker 3: never drank. I wasn't a partier. When I was home,

7:46 Speaker 3: I was mostly sleeping. I did nights for seventeen years.

7:49 Speaker 3: I pulled twenty four hour shifts. So this shit happens,

7:53 Speaker 3: and it happens to the best of us. You know,

7:55 Speaker 3: I watched the man in Washington, d C. I know

7:57 Speaker 3: we were diverting a little bit. But when I went

8:00 Speaker 3: to Washington, d C. During a period of time when

8:04 Speaker 3: actually a Trump appointee was in charge of overseeing all

8:10 Speaker 3: of America's how basically kind of how America's finances work

8:15 Speaker 3: in conjunction with consumers and making sure that consumer rights

8:19 Speaker 3: are protected, and they were invoking creating a law that

8:22 Speaker 3: was to say that medical debt could not be put

8:26 Speaker 3: on your credit report at the federal level. Create this

8:28 Speaker 3: law cannot be put on your credit report because it

8:32 Speaker 3: is devastating and the best this And when I went

8:37 Speaker 3: to see this get announced, they had people who were

8:40 Speaker 3: sharing stories and the one that really struck me the

8:42 Speaker 3: most was a gentleman who was probably.

8:47 Speaker 4: He must have been in his seventies.

8:50 Speaker 3: Worked his whole life, had a house, had eight fifty credit,

8:55 Speaker 3: paid everything on time his entire life, and he got

9:01 Speaker 3: sick and ended up with these enormous medical bills.

9:04 Speaker 4: Now, this guy had fourteen medical.

9:07 Speaker 3: Bills and he had arranged and was making payments on

9:11 Speaker 3: every fricking one of them, and trying like hell to

9:13 Speaker 3: make payments on every single bill. It wasn't he wasn't

9:17 Speaker 3: ignoring it. He was trying, he was working, he was

9:20 Speaker 3: trying really hard. And then the car that they were using,

9:24 Speaker 3: so wait a minute.

9:25 Speaker 4: So he ends up.

9:28 Speaker 3: Not being able to balance the fourteen bills with everything else,

9:33 Speaker 3: and it goes on his credit report and focks his

9:37 Speaker 3: credit up. So he's driving back and forth for like

9:40 Speaker 3: an it takes like an hour away to go for

9:42 Speaker 3: his cancer treatments, and the car they're using to get

9:46 Speaker 3: to those treatments, all the miles, all the driving, it

9:49 Speaker 3: caught up and the car was dyet and they needed

9:52 Speaker 3: a new car. And this man who had eight to

9:54 Speaker 3: fifty credit now had shit and he couldn't qualify for

10:00 Speaker 3: our car loan for even a used car to replace

10:04 Speaker 3: the car that he needed to get to treatment to

10:07 Speaker 3: stay alive.

10:10 Speaker 2: Is that right?

10:12 Speaker 3: He did everything the way that America tells him to,

10:15 Speaker 3: paid in his entire life, paid his housep did everything right,

10:21 Speaker 3: but he got sick and it ruined his life. It

10:26 Speaker 3: stole everything from this family. And and just just to

10:33 Speaker 3: put a button on that just recently that that that's

10:38 Speaker 3: been rescinded. It's it's from it's not happening. Medical debt

10:43 Speaker 3: can continue to go on your credit report. The Trump

10:46 Speaker 3: regime's reversed that, of course, even though it was a

10:51 Speaker 3: trumpet points because it was decided under the Biden administration.

10:57 Speaker 3: Of course, no good anything that happened into Biden is

10:59 Speaker 3: just no good.

11:01 Speaker 2: Well and and it's it's an opportunity to hurt people.

11:04 Speaker 2: So and that's and Maga loves hurting people.

11:08 Speaker 3: And it doesn't make any sense to me. I don't

11:10 Speaker 3: understand why you want to ruin people's lives, like.

11:14 Speaker 2: Because they can, because they get off on it, you know,

11:20 Speaker 2: I mean, let's just call it what it is. You

11:22 Speaker 2: know a lot of people like to well, you know,

11:25 Speaker 2: you have to be respectful and have dialogue and everything.

11:29 Speaker 2: But we also need to call shit what it is.

11:32 Speaker 2: There's there's a cruelty built into mega, but there's also

11:36 Speaker 2: a general a broader in a broader sense. I've always

11:39 Speaker 2: felt this way. There is a cruelty built into conservatism.

11:43 Speaker 2: Conservatism as an ideology has a certain cruelty to it. Uh,

11:48 Speaker 2: they don't see it that way. Conservatives don't see it

11:50 Speaker 2: that way until something happens to them.

11:53 Speaker 3: That's the only way they's You made your bed, you

11:57 Speaker 3: lie in it.

11:58 Speaker 2: That's right, right, because that's what a conservative would say,

12:02 Speaker 2: or a conservative would say to the sick person who

12:05 Speaker 2: who is now who is so buried in medical debt

12:10 Speaker 2: and now can't qualify for a car loan, Well, you

12:12 Speaker 2: got to pull yourself up by your bootstraps. That's what

12:15 Speaker 2: a conservative would say.

12:18 Speaker 3: Take a second mortgage out, Take a mortgage.

12:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, you know.

12:23 Speaker 3: You know, because we got to make sure that that

12:24 Speaker 3: hospital ceo who's getting a five mili a year's salary

12:29 Speaker 3: never mind is bonuses and benefits, packages and everything. And

12:33 Speaker 3: trust me, he doesn't worry about covids no, I yeah,

12:37 Speaker 3: he's got to get his due.

12:40 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, no, I mean it's it's another argument for

12:45 Speaker 2: single pair. You know, if we had single payer in

12:47 Speaker 2: this country where you know, you're everything was just covered automatically.

12:51 Speaker 2: And by the way, I'm not talking about because you

12:53 Speaker 2: know the response that people who oppose that will say, oh, well,

12:55 Speaker 2: I don't want a government takeover of health care. No,

12:57 Speaker 2: neither do I don't want the government to take over

12:59 Speaker 2: healthcare especial. Right, that's different. I just want single payer.

13:04 Speaker 2: So then just get rid of the insurance companies. And

13:06 Speaker 2: then people will say, well, I don't want my money

13:08 Speaker 2: to pay for somebody else's health care. Well, that's what

13:10 Speaker 2: insurance is.

13:11 Speaker 4: Well's how it works.

13:13 Speaker 2: That's how insurance. So you're already doing that. You and

13:17 Speaker 2: everybody else in the pool is already paying for everybody

13:20 Speaker 2: else who's in the pool.

13:22 Speaker 4: That's how it works.

13:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, so if you had single if you had single pair,

13:27 Speaker 2: all this all this other ship would go away, medical debt,

13:30 Speaker 2: ruining people's lives. Your your employer because people say, well,

13:35 Speaker 2: how would we pay for that if the government pays

13:37 Speaker 2: for it, Well, that's easy. Now your employer doesn't have

13:40 Speaker 2: to pay for it anymore. So now your employer, if

13:42 Speaker 2: you had single payer, and your employer didn't have to

13:45 Speaker 2: deduct money from your paycheck every week to pay for

13:47 Speaker 2: your health insurance. That's how you pay for it. It's not

13:51 Speaker 2: like I'm not even good at math and I can

13:52 Speaker 2: figure this out. Like it's actually really easy. The money's

13:55 Speaker 2: already being spent. Just let's spend it in a way

13:58 Speaker 2: that doesn't fuck people, you know.

14:00 Speaker 4: And spend it more.

14:01 Speaker 3: And you talk about and see and Republicans claim to

14:04 Speaker 3: be fiscally conservative, but they're not because they're.

14:07 Speaker 4: Not the problem.

14:08 Speaker 2: They're dishonest.

14:09 Speaker 3: Currently, in order to meet those salaries and what have you,

14:13 Speaker 3: everybody has these ginormous insurance departments and billing departments that

14:18 Speaker 3: have to do all of these different forms and different

14:21 Speaker 3: and then they have to do appeals and if things

14:23 Speaker 3: get denied, and it goes this whole back and forth

14:25 Speaker 3: and you get a prior authorization back and forth, back

14:28 Speaker 3: and forth. All these bullshit jobs that don't need to exist. Right,

14:33 Speaker 3: So that's the money you don't need to spend. I've

14:36 Speaker 3: witnessed it personally in my face, up close and personal.

14:39 Speaker 3: I went to the Netherlands. I saw a society that

14:43 Speaker 3: has national health care. Everybody pays a flat rate every

14:48 Speaker 3: month and it's like one hundred and something dollars. It's

14:50 Speaker 3: not even like what we pay. My mom was paying

14:54 Speaker 3: eight hundred dollars a month for her health insurance in Massachusetts,

14:57 Speaker 3: and that was just to get it. She still had copays,

15:01 Speaker 3: and she still had a deductible, and it was a

15:03 Speaker 3: huge deductible.

15:05 Speaker 4: And that's why she got.

15:06 Speaker 3: Her entire MRI bill handed to her on a silver platter.

15:10 Speaker 3: Because she had to meet her deductible. She had to

15:12 Speaker 3: pay the entire bill. That's how our system currently works.

15:15 Speaker 3: In a system like we're discussing, you pay your flat rate,

15:20 Speaker 3: it goes into the we'll use Medicare. It goes into Medicare.

15:26 Speaker 3: Your doctor submits to build the Medicare. Medicare pays the

15:29 Speaker 3: bill just like it does now. There's no argument, no muscle,

15:31 Speaker 3: no fuss. Everything's done appropriately, and Medicare has rules they

15:35 Speaker 3: have to follow and they can't fuck around and they

15:37 Speaker 3: got to follow the rules. So an industry is still

15:41 Speaker 3: privately owned hospitals or doctor's offices. It's not owned by

15:45 Speaker 3: the government, it's not run by the government. It's simply healthcare.

15:49 Speaker 3: And now it's healthcare that's one hundred percent being funded

15:52 Speaker 3: for the people in patient care.

15:54 Speaker 4: If the hospital.

15:56 Speaker 3: Doesn't have to have thirty employees in the billing department

15:59 Speaker 3: to deal with at a Blue Cross fill in your

16:03 Speaker 3: blank insurance, they just have to build medicare and then

16:07 Speaker 3: get paid.

16:08 Speaker 4: That's not thirty employees.

16:10 Speaker 2: It's better for everybody, everybody.

16:12 Speaker 4: So where's that money going.

16:13 Speaker 3: Then it's going into having better patient access, So it's

16:17 Speaker 3: going into having machines that are upgraded. It's going into

16:21 Speaker 3: having no low stock on supplies.

16:24 Speaker 4: I cannot tell you. I worked at ICUCCU, I worked

16:28 Speaker 4: in er cardiology.

16:30 Speaker 3: I can tell you right now there's not a single

16:32 Speaker 3: department that doesn't end up with something they fucking run

16:36 Speaker 3: out of that they shouldn't have. There are a hospital,

16:39 Speaker 3: But this is what happens in the way we've built society.

16:43 Speaker 3: In my buddies, he's a stage four cancer patient who

16:46 Speaker 3: I will tell you would be dead if he was

16:49 Speaker 3: in the United States.

16:50 Speaker 4: There's no fucking way, no doubt.

16:53 Speaker 3: He his doctor goes to the doctors, they estice levels,

16:57 Speaker 3: doctor orders a medication, medication gets or from the pharmacy,

17:00 Speaker 3: it's delivered and he gets it.

17:02 Speaker 4: And that's the fucking end of the story.

17:04 Speaker 3: Nobody's getting in the way and telling you questioning whether

17:08 Speaker 3: or not your doctor's correct.

17:10 Speaker 4: On diagnosing you.

17:11 Speaker 3: And here's another one for you, backwards medicine of American society.

17:16 Speaker 4: Bring you hurt your shoulder? It hurts when I do this,

17:20 Speaker 4: doc in the Netherlands.

17:23 Speaker 3: Let's go take a picture, see what's going on in

17:24 Speaker 3: there in America.

17:27 Speaker 4: Or go to physical therapy first.

17:30 Speaker 3: First, I'm going to send you somewhere to manipulate the

17:32 Speaker 3: joint and fuck around without taking an image, without having

17:36 Speaker 3: a clue what the hell's going on inside of you.

17:39 Speaker 3: I'm just gonna do it. They did that with me,

17:42 Speaker 3: and I had three cervical discs that were herniated and

17:45 Speaker 3: were literally moved my spinal cord, literally moved my spinal cord.

17:51 Speaker 3: But before we got those images to know that was there,

17:55 Speaker 3: I went to physical therapy for six weeks.

17:59 Speaker 2: That must be. That must be where that old joke

18:01 Speaker 2: comes from. You know, the guy goes to the doctor

18:04 Speaker 2: and says, doc, it hurts when I do this, and

18:05 Speaker 2: the doctor says, well, don't do that. Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

18:11 Speaker 5: No.

18:11 Speaker 2: If you have if you have single payer, and just

18:13 Speaker 2: just all the bullshit goes away and it's and it

18:16 Speaker 2: and it just is better for everyone and again and.

18:18 Speaker 4: Back on the patient and not on the profits.

18:21 Speaker 2: And this is something you know, and I always complain.

18:24 Speaker 2: I complain about it a lot on the show that

18:26 Speaker 2: I do with Todd uh hanging left. You know, Democrats

18:29 Speaker 2: are terrible at messaging because they're right, they're correct on

18:32 Speaker 2: the policy on this, but they're so bad at messaging.

18:34 Speaker 2: I don't know why. I've heard Bernie say it, but

18:37 Speaker 2: I don't know why Democrats don't. They should constantly every

18:41 Speaker 2: time this subject comes up, talk about all the stuff

18:44 Speaker 2: that they they talk about and how it would be

18:46 Speaker 2: better for people. But also Democrats need to remember to

18:50 Speaker 2: say this part. If we have this system instead, if

18:55 Speaker 2: we have single payer, your employer no longer has to

18:58 Speaker 2: deduct that from your page, so that.

19:00 Speaker 4: That's more money, match it more.

19:03 Speaker 2: Money for you, right, and then you so you're not

19:06 Speaker 2: paying for it anymore and your employer isn't paying for

19:08 Speaker 2: it anymore. So that needs to be the response when

19:11 Speaker 2: someone says, well, how are we going to pay for

19:13 Speaker 2: all this? That's easy. You're already paying for it.

19:16 Speaker 4: And it's not going to cost an I'm in a

19:18 Speaker 4: leg like it does now because the hospitals and.

19:21 Speaker 6: The clinics and the doctor's office won't have the exorbitant

19:25 Speaker 6: money that they have to spend constantly on the phone

19:29 Speaker 6: with the insurance companies trying to get prior approval codes

19:32 Speaker 6: and trying and having peer to peer reviews and.

19:34 Speaker 4: Going through appeals department.

19:36 Speaker 3: I had a provider who at one point before they

19:40 Speaker 3: went into total private practice, they were in with a

19:42 Speaker 3: group of other providers and they had to hire an

19:46 Speaker 3: employee to do nothing all day, every day, Monday through Friday.

19:50 Speaker 4: But blue cross blue shield denials of care.

19:54 Speaker 3: Yeah, how expensive is that that employee? That hourly salary,

20:00 Speaker 3: social Security matching, the Medicare matching the health insurance, vacation time,

20:04 Speaker 3: six time, all of that for that employee to do

20:09 Speaker 3: nothing all day, every day, but appeals insurance companies. Let

20:13 Speaker 3: me let me make sure I say this, health insurance

20:16 Speaker 3: companies serve no purpose and have zero zero effect to

20:23 Speaker 3: increasing positive outcomes and healthcare. Give me any case, any

20:27 Speaker 3: medical case, and I challenge you to show me where

20:31 Speaker 3: the insurance company improved the outcome of that patient. If

20:37 Speaker 3: it's not a Cadillac policy that belongs to one of

20:40 Speaker 3: the freaking congress people, right, or some ceo who has

20:44 Speaker 3: a catalc. I'm talking about the same health insurance companies.

20:49 Speaker 4: That you and I and everybody else in the working.

20:52 Speaker 3: Class get those policies with the deductibles and the copase

20:56 Speaker 3: and the in network and the added network and all

20:58 Speaker 3: the bulshit just to get the medical care you need.

21:02 Speaker 3: The stress of loan cuts our life expectancy down. And

21:06 Speaker 3: that's exactly what they want. They only want us on

21:09 Speaker 3: the planet long enough to make them money and to

21:12 Speaker 3: serve them. And when that's not going to happen anymore,

21:15 Speaker 3: it's better for them if we kick off right.

21:19 Speaker 2: Well, that's the other thing too that people need to

21:20 Speaker 2: say more. I say it all the time, but this

21:24 Speaker 2: is something that people need to repeat over and over

21:26 Speaker 2: again until everyone understands this. The insurance company they only

21:31 Speaker 2: want you. They only want you on one of their

21:35 Speaker 2: plans for as long as they're able to make money

21:38 Speaker 2: from you, from your monthly premiums, from whatever they get

21:41 Speaker 2: from your employer, whatever that money is. As long as

21:46 Speaker 2: you are profitable for them, they want to cover you.

21:49 Speaker 2: Once you get sick, and you get sick enough that

21:52 Speaker 2: you begin to cost them money. Now you're no longer

21:55 Speaker 2: an asset. Now you're a liability. Let's be very blunt.

21:59 Speaker 2: Need to speak very bluntly about this. The insurance company,

22:03 Speaker 2: once you go from being an asset to a liability,

22:07 Speaker 2: the insurance company wants you to die. That sounds stark,

22:13 Speaker 2: but that is the truth because once you are dead,

22:16 Speaker 2: you no longer cost them money. So once you get

22:20 Speaker 2: sick with something, they would prefer that you die. And

22:25 Speaker 2: if they can help you to die by denying you

22:28 Speaker 2: the healthcare that you need even though you fucking pay

22:32 Speaker 2: for it. If they can find some way to deny

22:35 Speaker 2: you that healthcare to help you to die, they will

22:40 Speaker 2: gladly help you to die. They want you to die

22:44 Speaker 2: as soon as you are costing them money instead of

22:47 Speaker 2: making them money. That's the problem. And look, I'm a capitalist, Okay,

22:51 Speaker 2: this is coming from a capitalist, but this is the

22:54 Speaker 2: problem with for profit healthcare. They would rather you die

22:58 Speaker 2: than cost them money. That is a fact, so.

23:03 Speaker 3: Right, And that's partially why the narrative that they're putting

23:07 Speaker 3: out there now is when they talk about.

23:09 Speaker 4: Medicare, they call it an entitlement.

23:13 Speaker 3: When they talk about Social Security, they're calling it an entitlement.

23:17 Speaker 3: And we've got you know, it's all on umpteen videos

23:20 Speaker 3: of them saying this shit, and it's not an entitlement.

23:23 Speaker 3: These are insurance programs that you and I pay into

23:27 Speaker 3: our whole efort lives.

23:28 Speaker 4: From the minute you start paying taxes, you stop paying.

23:31 Speaker 3: In Medicare and Social Security and Disability Social Security Disability

23:37 Speaker 3: Insurance s sd EYE is insurance.

23:42 Speaker 4: We pay for it for the just in case, just

23:45 Speaker 4: like you do at your job.

23:46 Speaker 3: I have a long term disability private insurance, and we

23:50 Speaker 3: have a public Social Security disability insurance. These are the

23:55 Speaker 3: things that you pay for so that when it happens,

23:58 Speaker 3: if it happens to you, you have that to depend

24:03 Speaker 3: on and you bust your ass and you pay into

24:06 Speaker 3: it in every fucking paycheck.

24:08 Speaker 4: Every job I had, I paid in every paycheck.

24:11 Speaker 3: They got their cut, and if I made a lot

24:14 Speaker 3: of more, if I got overtime, they took a bigger

24:16 Speaker 3: fucking cut. Sometimes working overtime wasn't even worth it because

24:20 Speaker 3: they would take it all in taxes. You get in

24:22 Speaker 3: that spot where right here, I can make a little

24:25 Speaker 3: more money, but if I work X number of hours

24:29 Speaker 3: they take so much in taxes. I didn't end up

24:32 Speaker 3: getting home with fucking anything. Or until you get to

24:36 Speaker 3: the next bracket. You might get to keep a little more.

24:39 Speaker 3: You have to really kill yourself to see that in

24:42 Speaker 3: your paycheck.

24:43 Speaker 2: Right, Well, should we move on to the uh, yes,

24:51 Speaker 2: to the main subject that we were going to talk

24:55 Speaker 2: about today. So the other thing is h Trump is

25:01 Speaker 2: now threatening to send National Guard, deploy the National Guard

25:06 Speaker 2: in Chicago to help with crime. Yeah, I guess and yep,

25:12 Speaker 2: so putting more American military on the streets.

25:17 Speaker 3: The news is reporting I saw this before you and

25:20 Speaker 3: I went live. Fox News is reporting that he wants

25:23 Speaker 3: to expand it to nineteen states, and they had a map.

25:26 Speaker 3: The majority of the states were in the southern region

25:29 Speaker 3: of the United States, so like Florida's on there. I

25:32 Speaker 3: believe the Carolina was on there, but there was nothing

25:35 Speaker 3: in the northeast. Really, everything was mostly in the lower

25:39 Speaker 3: part of the country.

25:41 Speaker 4: Another nineteen states. He wants to deploy military troops on

25:47 Speaker 4: American soil against Americans.

25:52 Speaker 2: Well they don't. So, you know, the people who support this,

25:55 Speaker 2: they don't look at it as because they, you know,

25:59 Speaker 2: maga look at I think they assume that not only

26:02 Speaker 2: every undocumented immigrant, or or even some immigrants who maybe

26:07 Speaker 2: are documented, you know, I I think I think from

26:09 Speaker 2: their point of view, they assume that everyone who's doing

26:12 Speaker 2: criminal activity is probably uh is probably an immigrant, documented

26:18 Speaker 2: or otherwise, because that's kind.

26:20 Speaker 4: Of how criminal activity.

26:22 Speaker 2: That's that's kind of how they view Can you say.

26:25 Speaker 4: That some of these stops are really questionable?

26:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, well yeah, so what what's so interesting to me

26:31 Speaker 2: is and and you've you've pointed this out, you know,

26:34 Speaker 2: you mentioned it earlier. A lot of what Trump is

26:37 Speaker 2: doing are things that uh during the Obama administration, UH

26:44 Speaker 2: conservatives would rail against, even though Obama wasn't actually doing

26:49 Speaker 2: any of these things. But but they, you know, and

26:52 Speaker 2: I used to be you know, I was a co

26:54 Speaker 2: host on a show called Rock Paper hand Grenades, the

26:57 Speaker 2: late Garias Hopper, you know who. You know. I loved

27:01 Speaker 2: Gary and I miss him. But on that show, I

27:04 Speaker 2: interacted with a lot of people who thought that way,

27:08 Speaker 2: who had all these wild ideas with their very vivid

27:12 Speaker 2: imaginations about all these things that Obama was going to do.

27:16 Speaker 2: Obama was going to any day now, Obama was going

27:20 Speaker 2: to declare martial law. Obama was going to deploy American

27:24 Speaker 2: military in cities across the country. Obama was going to

27:29 Speaker 2: refuse to leave Yes at the end of his second.

27:32 Speaker 3: Term and there will be some sort of terms and

27:35 Speaker 3: Alex Jones was railing on that, and so were libertarians

27:38 Speaker 3: across the country.

27:40 Speaker 4: I was a Republican.

27:41 Speaker 3: I served with Gary in the New Hampshire State House.

27:45 Speaker 3: And the foundation for some of the groups that have

27:50 Speaker 3: turned into really bizarre white supremacist organizations today were founded

27:55 Speaker 3: on the idea of keeping military away from citizens.

27:59 Speaker 4: Positcomic.

28:00 Speaker 3: And I'll give you the example of which where a

28:02 Speaker 3: lot of this started was when Katrina happened and US

28:08 Speaker 3: military National Guard went into Katrina to help. There were

28:14 Speaker 3: and there were videos of them going around and actually

28:18 Speaker 3: disarming people who had firearms they legally possessed in that state.

28:24 Speaker 3: And there's a famous video amongst conservatives, and and it

28:29 Speaker 3: is and I've.

28:30 Speaker 4: Seen it a zillion times. You can go look it up.

28:32 Speaker 4: It's still up. It's last I checked. It was. Go

28:33 Speaker 4: on YouTube.

28:34 Speaker 3: There's an elderly lady who is in an apartment building.

28:38 Speaker 3: She is elevated, she is not flooded in her apartment whatsoever.

28:43 Speaker 4: She's on dry land. She's got food and shit in there,

28:46 Speaker 4: and she has a firearm.

28:48 Speaker 3: And the GNAT the in the National Guard, along with

28:52 Speaker 3: whatever PD there was literally put this woman, this elderly

28:57 Speaker 3: woman who had to have been in.

28:59 Speaker 4: Her seventy our eighties.

29:02 Speaker 3: Against the wall, took the firearm from her and left

29:08 Speaker 3: because she didn't want to go anywhere, so they left

29:11 Speaker 3: her disarmed and unable to defend herself.

29:14 Speaker 4: Why why that, you know, that was what we were

29:17 Speaker 4: railing against. Why this woman was doing nothing wrong. She

29:20 Speaker 4: was simply in her home, riding it out high and dry.

29:23 Speaker 3: She's got food, she's got water, She's doing all right

29:26 Speaker 3: on her own accord.

29:27 Speaker 4: And at the.

29:28 Speaker 7: Same token, let's remember while this was going on, people

29:32 Speaker 7: had been moved into an astrodome that was subsequently not

29:35 Speaker 7: only flooded, but there were numerous accounts of rape and

29:40 Speaker 7: assault and theft because people were put into this with

29:43 Speaker 7: no policing whatsoever.

29:46 Speaker 4: So they instead of having the.

29:47 Speaker 3: National Guard and the dome policing, they had them out

29:52 Speaker 3: on fucking boats going to people's places and disarming them.

29:56 Speaker 4: This is what we were talking about back then.

30:00 Speaker 3: This is what we were talking and martial law could

30:02 Speaker 3: get declared and.

30:04 Speaker 4: That whole aspect. Now, let's look at life today. The

30:08 Speaker 4: current Republican party has.

30:11 Speaker 3: Now endorsed the police state that they used to rail against.

30:15 Speaker 3: We didn't want a police state, no military on our

30:18 Speaker 3: streets like they have in communist countries. We're not going

30:22 Speaker 3: to be North Korea. We're fucking North Korea. He's putting

30:25 Speaker 3: military on the streets. He's already done it in LA,

30:31 Speaker 3: excuse me, in DC, in LA, he's doing it now,

30:35 Speaker 3: going for Chicago, with plans to do another eighteen or

30:39 Speaker 3: so states. How long before it's in every state. What

30:43 Speaker 3: happened to states' rights and Tenth Amendment rights to states rights?

30:48 Speaker 3: What happened to posi coomatatis? No military against Americans, that's

30:53 Speaker 3: part of basic American law. These things have been completely

30:58 Speaker 3: thrown aside. Here's what I do know about myself now.

31:02 Speaker 3: I am not a Republican anymore. Trump maybe a Democrat

31:05 Speaker 3: a long time ago. And but I will say this,

31:10 Speaker 3: I'm still saying the same thing. The police state, they'll

31:14 Speaker 3: military on American soil against Americans.

31:18 Speaker 4: I'm still saying that they're not.

31:21 Speaker 3: They've changed, they've given up states rights, they've given up

31:25 Speaker 3: the rights of a country that wasn't supposed to be

31:29 Speaker 3: military run.

31:31 Speaker 4: Like this is insanity to me.

31:33 Speaker 2: Well, here's the thing, though, my perception I don't think

31:37 Speaker 2: in a sense they've changed, because of course they're you know,

31:40 Speaker 2: they're all in the cult. Not literally all of them,

31:42 Speaker 2: but most of them are in the cult. Most Republicans

31:44 Speaker 2: and the Trump called the Maga cult. So whatever their

31:47 Speaker 2: god king says goes, and they don't question anything. They

31:51 Speaker 2: question a little bit with Epstein, but the Epstein files,

31:53 Speaker 2: but even that's starting to fade away. Ultimately they'll go

31:57 Speaker 2: with what you know. I mean, Trump could tell these

31:59 Speaker 2: people the sky was green, and they'd all walk outside

32:02 Speaker 2: and look up and goah, I always thought it was blue,

32:05 Speaker 2: but yeah, I could kind of see it now. Yeah,

32:07 Speaker 2: So you know, the mindless herd of Maga will go in,

32:12 Speaker 2: we can spend how much.

32:13 Speaker 3: Money on a parade, but we can't find healthcare.

32:16 Speaker 2: Right, military parades and everything, all the stuff that they

32:18 Speaker 2: used to pretend to be creeped out by. But in

32:21 Speaker 2: another sense, they have not changed, because my perception of

32:24 Speaker 2: Republicans and conservatives has always been that they're they're basically

32:30 Speaker 2: pretty phony because they they're always inconsistent. Take take government

32:35 Speaker 2: spending for example, They're only fiscal conservatives when a Democrat

32:40 Speaker 2: is in the White House, When a Republican's in the

32:42 Speaker 2: White House. We've got money to burn as far as

32:45 Speaker 2: they're concerned, and they don't get it now.

32:48 Speaker 7: They will take it from food stamps, that's true, Wick,

32:53 Speaker 7: that's true.

32:54 Speaker 3: Housing assistance, Yeah, from feeding children in school.

32:58 Speaker 2: We can take the money from all of that, right, right.

33:01 Speaker 3: Or what is it forty for a billion some odd

33:05 Speaker 3: crazy dollars nationwide just from the schools or millions, I

33:09 Speaker 3: don't know what it is.

33:09 Speaker 4: It's a crazy right.

33:11 Speaker 2: But but they'll they'll still take the money. Yeah, they'll

33:13 Speaker 2: they'll cut, they'll cut anything that helps people because, as

33:17 Speaker 2: I said, because you know, because conservatism is cruel in

33:22 Speaker 2: its nature now, but they will then of course, you know,

33:26 Speaker 2: they'll spend it elsewhere military spending. Not that I oppose

33:30 Speaker 2: all military spending. I do not. I'm not like a

33:33 Speaker 2: I'm not. I'm not far left from you need.

33:36 Speaker 4: A strong defensey.

33:37 Speaker 2: But but there is a lot of you know, there's

33:40 Speaker 2: a lot of waste, fraud and abuse in that zone,

33:42 Speaker 2: and of course, uh you know, all kinds of corporate

33:45 Speaker 2: welfare and.

33:46 Speaker 3: How much money to cost to send him to Scotland

33:50 Speaker 3: beast and the ambulance and all the cars and all

33:53 Speaker 3: the so he could cut the ribbon on his own

33:56 Speaker 3: golf course.

33:57 Speaker 2: Yeah.

33:58 Speaker 3: And now he's he's tax dollars to buy stock in Intel.

34:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that's something that if Biden had done that.

34:09 Speaker 2: Oh my god, they go insane.

34:11 Speaker 3: I done that, Obama said troops in Obama sent in

34:16 Speaker 3: troops into.

34:16 Speaker 2: A any of this, any of this stuff. But it's true.

34:21 Speaker 3: But the same people that claim we don't need this

34:24 Speaker 3: because the churches will do it, how come none of

34:27 Speaker 3: them are out front going, hey, my church is going

34:30 Speaker 3: to start, we're going to adopt the school, and we're

34:32 Speaker 3: gonna make sure that the kids have a healthy lunch

34:35 Speaker 3: every day.

34:36 Speaker 4: We're going to take care of that. I haven't heard

34:39 Speaker 4: that yet.

34:40 Speaker 3: You know, none of the food pantries are reporting in overabundance.

34:44 Speaker 4: As a matter of fact, a lot of them are

34:47 Speaker 4: running on empty and don't even have some basic staples

34:50 Speaker 4: in stock anymore. So I don't see it happening there. Buccos.

34:57 Speaker 3: No, that's just the bullshit. You feed yourself so you

35:00 Speaker 3: could sleep at night.

35:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, this is all you know, they're they're

35:04 Speaker 2: all on board with whatever Trump does. So but yeah,

35:08 Speaker 2: but it is funny. I mean, there's so much of

35:09 Speaker 2: what Trumps does or has done. That Again, it's it's

35:12 Speaker 2: stuff that they They didn't talk about it as much

35:15 Speaker 2: with Biden, not nearly as much, but but with Obama,

35:19 Speaker 2: all these crazy conspiracy theories about all this stuff he

35:22 Speaker 2: was going to do and to remain and power on

35:26 Speaker 2: martial law and everything. Oh, it's almost as though there

35:29 Speaker 2: was something about Obama that was different somehow, because with

35:33 Speaker 2: other Democratic presidents I can't remember the level of paranoia

35:37 Speaker 2: that they exhibited. It's almost as though there was something

35:39 Speaker 2: about Barack Obama that just freaked them out and just

35:43 Speaker 2: rock Obama really bothered them to their core. I can't

35:47 Speaker 2: think of exactly what it might have been, something about

35:50 Speaker 2: him that was different from any other president that just

35:52 Speaker 2: made them.

35:55 Speaker 4: Maybe could have been that.

35:57 Speaker 2: I also liked the duality with which they were able to,

36:01 Speaker 2: you know, this view, this this dichotomous way they were

36:03 Speaker 2: able to view Obama because they would talk about him

36:06 Speaker 2: like he was this this very weak, ffeckless leader, this

36:09 Speaker 2: incompetent guy who couldn't couldn't do anything right, and he

36:12 Speaker 2: was just just very very weak who also was going

36:15 Speaker 2: to single handedly destroy America. Yeah, I always thought that

36:20 Speaker 2: was interesting, But yeah, so yeah, they're gonna keep deploying troops.

36:25 Speaker 2: I mean obviously doing that in DC. Uh that was

36:28 Speaker 2: just h that was a test run. And by the way,

36:31 Speaker 2: part of why this works too with conservatives and why

36:33 Speaker 2: they're willing to go along with this again all this

36:35 Speaker 2: stuff that if a Democrat did it, they'd be melting down,

36:37 Speaker 2: is because it also feeds into the uh, what we

36:40 Speaker 2: call the blue cities fallacy, because conservatives love to talk

36:44 Speaker 2: about how, oh, all these Democrat run cities, Uh, they're

36:47 Speaker 2: they're also riddled with crime. Well, the reality is most

36:52 Speaker 2: major metropolitan areas do have crime. That's part of being

36:56 Speaker 2: in a city. And most major metropolitan areas tend to

36:59 Speaker 2: be run by Democrats because that's who the people in

37:03 Speaker 2: those cities vote for. Urban areas tend to vote conservative. Uh,

37:07 Speaker 2: but uh, cities, metro areas, even in the suburbs, they

37:11 Speaker 2: vote Democrat. So that's who you get. So no matter

37:15 Speaker 2: who's in charge, whether it's a Republican or a Democrat,

37:17 Speaker 2: in any city in America, you're going to have crime.

37:20 Speaker 2: But they see they take that and they kind of

37:21 Speaker 2: twist it and say, oh, look that city's got a

37:24 Speaker 2: high rate of crime and well, the mayor's a Democrat, see,

37:29 Speaker 2: you know, and it's it's bullshit.

37:31 Speaker 4: Very much so.

37:32 Speaker 3: But to say to bounce off of something that you

37:34 Speaker 3: had said, what was different about Obama? Right, Well, now

37:37 Speaker 3: put that in what we're looking at here with military

37:40 Speaker 3: and what Ice is doing there can they're they're unapologetically

37:47 Speaker 3: profiling people. There was a story I saw earlier of

37:52 Speaker 3: a kiddo that got stopped and taken because you know,

37:55 Speaker 3: he looked Mexican.

37:56 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's what's going on.

37:59 Speaker 3: So profile is now back, and not only that, but worse.

38:04 Speaker 3: Quotas quoters are very very bad in law enforcement for

38:10 Speaker 3: many many reasons, but the biggest one being is that

38:13 Speaker 3: because you make a quota, they will grab anybody and

38:15 Speaker 3: everybody that could potentially fit the bill and prove them

38:18 Speaker 3: guilty later. That's why we stopped allowing quotas in law

38:22 Speaker 3: enforcement was for that reason. That's why we don't allow

38:25 Speaker 3: it with speeding tickets. Remember we don't. I mean, average

38:28 Speaker 3: America will tell you they don't want quotas on tickets.

38:31 Speaker 3: Why because it encourages the cops to stop people for

38:34 Speaker 3: petty little shit instead of letting the petty little shit

38:37 Speaker 3: go and going after the speeder, the crazy driver, the

38:41 Speaker 3: person that's really going to cause an accident. They're pulling

38:43 Speaker 3: over the dude that doesn't have a seatbelt on, right,

38:46 Speaker 3: because they got to make their quota. This is why

38:49 Speaker 3: we don't want quotas in law enforcement. We shouldn't have them.

38:52 Speaker 3: Now we have them in spades. Now they want three

38:55 Speaker 3: thousand arrests for ice. And the reason that they're putting

38:59 Speaker 3: he's putting military under the guise of criminality. But they're

39:03 Speaker 3: also saying they are also being sent to assist ice.

39:09 Speaker 2: Yeah.

39:09 Speaker 4: So we have the.

39:10 Speaker 3: Military and law enforcement in every capacity profiling everybody on

39:16 Speaker 3: an American street, and if you potentially look like you

39:19 Speaker 3: might not be white, they're going to stop you in

39:22 Speaker 3: question your status and you have and they don't care.

39:27 Speaker 4: Like, how many videos have you seen?

39:29 Speaker 3: I know, I've seen quite a few of people yelling

39:32 Speaker 3: I'm an American, I got rights, I got rights.

39:34 Speaker 4: Oh you don't have no rights, dude, Now, you ain't

39:36 Speaker 4: get no rights here. Yeah, but I'm an American. Now

39:40 Speaker 4: you're not. No, you're not.

39:42 Speaker 3: And they take them and they make their quota. That's

39:46 Speaker 3: why they take them, and they don't listen to them,

39:49 Speaker 3: and they don't check their ID, and they don't do

39:51 Speaker 3: any of the things they're supposed to do because we've

39:55 Speaker 3: given them permission to no longer follow the rules. Yeah,

40:00 Speaker 3: uh yeah, and it's snowballing. And now he wants to

40:03 Speaker 3: do this in nineteen states. Yeah, and you know, you know,

40:08 Speaker 3: and gee, why are we targeting Chicago?

40:11 Speaker 4: Why is Chicago next?

40:15 Speaker 2: Hmmm? Well Obama's from there originally?

40:19 Speaker 4: Oh is that? Could there be any other reasons?

40:23 Speaker 2: Oh? I don't know.

40:26 Speaker 4: You know, there's an awful lot of people there who

40:29 Speaker 4: are not white.

40:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, and definitely they're targeting people.

40:39 Speaker 4: They're targeting black and brown people.

40:41 Speaker 3: They want to catch anybody in anybody that can remotely

40:45 Speaker 3: decide is illegal, even if you're here legally, you have

40:49 Speaker 3: a green card, you've done everything right, They just okay.

40:53 Speaker 3: In Maine, there was a police officer in Maine hired

40:58 Speaker 3: obviously by the town is H one B.

41:00 Speaker 4: Did everything correct.

41:02 Speaker 3: Dudes from Jamaica had H one B visa green card

41:05 Speaker 3: all nine yards. He's been a working police officer for

41:08 Speaker 3: like twenty fucking years.

41:10 Speaker 4: They he just had.

41:11 Speaker 3: He just ended up having to self deport to Jamaica.

41:15 Speaker 3: Because if you don't self deport and you're forcefully deported,

41:19 Speaker 3: it's a blemish on you that can prohibit you from

41:21 Speaker 3: ever coming back to the country. If you self deport,

41:25 Speaker 3: you still have the chance of coming back. And that's

41:28 Speaker 3: why some folks are choosing to do that because it's

41:31 Speaker 3: it's it's your hail Mary to be able to see

41:35 Speaker 3: your family again in person and not through a computer screen.

41:40 Speaker 2: So what we need to do, if there were any

41:43 Speaker 2: political will to do this is, you know, because I

41:48 Speaker 2: always say, we're doing things in the wrong order, we

41:51 Speaker 2: need a massive, comprehensive overhaul of our immigration system first,

41:54 Speaker 2: and then we can figure out who to remove, because

41:56 Speaker 2: I'm all for you know, deporting criminals, but you know

41:59 Speaker 2: they should actually be criminals. But we also need to,

42:03 Speaker 2: you know, we need to figure out a way to

42:05 Speaker 2: bring people out of the shadows, have a have a

42:08 Speaker 2: program where people can apply for citizenship or some form

42:12 Speaker 2: of legal status like the individual and main you were

42:16 Speaker 2: just speaking about.

42:17 Speaker 4: But they did, they did all of that.

42:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, but we need something. We need something much simpler

42:25 Speaker 2: that would be prefer you know, and we need these

42:28 Speaker 2: people in the country. And this is the other part

42:29 Speaker 2: I wish, and again I wish Democrats would say this

42:33 Speaker 2: because but they don't because they're bad at messaging. But

42:36 Speaker 2: this is something that needs to be explained to people.

42:38 Speaker 2: And I say it all the time.

42:40 Speaker 5: Uh.

42:40 Speaker 2: You know, immigrants, no matter how much you know, you

42:42 Speaker 2: can look, you cannot like brown people all you want to,

42:46 Speaker 2: but you need them here. They are essential to the economy.

42:50 Speaker 2: Immigrants are essential to the regardless of how they entered.

42:53 Speaker 2: They are essential to our nation's economy.

42:56 Speaker 4: Look, we've already got fruits rotten on the vine and.

43:00 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, these.

43:01 Speaker 3: Farmers wine now and then they're not getting the subsidies

43:04 Speaker 3: anymore from the government.

43:05 Speaker 4: So they're going to go belly up.

43:07 Speaker 2: Yeah.

43:07 Speaker 3: And then the big companies like Walmart are going to

43:11 Speaker 3: come in and buy it and take it over so

43:13 Speaker 3: they can make because you know, they got their own

43:14 Speaker 3: chicken and shit. Yeah, so these companies are going to

43:17 Speaker 3: come in and buy up these farms, and the farmers

43:20 Speaker 3: are going to end up working the land just the same, but.

43:23 Speaker 4: They're going to be working it for Walmart or.

43:27 Speaker 3: Fill in the blank, whatever, why basket whomever.

43:31 Speaker 2: You're just gonna drive up food prices. I always say,

43:34 Speaker 2: if you could wave some sort of xenophobic magic wand

43:37 Speaker 2: and all of a sudden, everybody you don't like wasn't

43:39 Speaker 2: in the country anymore. Our economy would collapse overnight. It would,

43:44 Speaker 2: it would. People don't believe you though, No, that people

43:47 Speaker 2: don't believe. But it's well an economists. Economists believe that though.

43:51 Speaker 2: Ask any economists, I'll tell you these people are essential

43:53 Speaker 2: to the economy, like you need to fix the system.

43:57 Speaker 3: My girlfriend and I sometimes we like to go to

43:59 Speaker 3: the dollar store, and there are a number of dollar

44:02 Speaker 3: stores around here that are closing in unusual hours because

44:05 Speaker 3: they don't have the staff to stay open, right, I mean,

44:07 Speaker 3: like three o'clock in the afternoon, they're closing, or they

44:11 Speaker 3: are closed because they don't have the staff to stay open.

44:14 Speaker 3: All these places you go to that are understaffed, and

44:18 Speaker 3: that's happening across the board.

44:20 Speaker 4: Understaffed.

44:21 Speaker 3: In medicine, you'd be surprised at how many people are

44:24 Speaker 3: in medicine working on green cards. We have doctors, nurses,

44:32 Speaker 3: all kinds of specialties.

44:34 Speaker 4: What we don't have is a rising rank.

44:37 Speaker 3: Of those coming up that are going to become the

44:39 Speaker 3: doctors of tomorrow to take care of us.

44:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, when the current crop completely retires.

44:45 Speaker 2: Well, and if you're if you're here with a green card.

44:47 Speaker 2: I mean the way they keep changing the rules now

44:49 Speaker 2: to find excuses to get rid of more people, get

44:53 Speaker 2: rid of more immigrants. If you're if you are a

44:55 Speaker 2: green card holder, you know you got to be worried

44:59 Speaker 2: that you're you're green car card is going to get

45:00 Speaker 2: pulled early and they're not going to be all the

45:03 Speaker 2: renew your status. You know, there's all kinds of shit

45:05 Speaker 2: that could go wrong.

45:06 Speaker 4: And this is that green this is that quota.

45:09 Speaker 3: That's why that's why ICE is raiding Lowells is raiding

45:15 Speaker 3: farms where.

45:17 Speaker 4: People are actually working.

45:20 Speaker 3: And they actually exactly and they actually get paychecks and

45:22 Speaker 3: pay taxes and shit like right right the easy because

45:26 Speaker 3: it's easy pickens. It's just like the state trooper that

45:29 Speaker 3: sits at the bottom of a hill that jumps from

45:32 Speaker 3: fifty miles an hour to thirty five because he knows

45:35 Speaker 3: he can snag anybody right there.

45:37 Speaker 4: And that's what they're doing.

45:38 Speaker 3: They're going to the courthouses where people who who have

45:43 Speaker 3: legal documentation, they're following the rules, they've done everything right.

45:46 Speaker 3: They're going in for a hearing that they're required to

45:49 Speaker 3: go to, and all of a sudden, their cases are

45:53 Speaker 3: being dismissed, and that enables ICE.

45:57 Speaker 4: To pick them up. Ye see, it's a pending case.

46:00 Speaker 4: Ice can't get them. Yeah, Ice is there. Yeah, we

46:04 Speaker 4: want you to dismiss d D D da da.

46:07 Speaker 3: They dismiss those cases and they pick those people up

46:10 Speaker 3: easy pickens. I'm getting my three thousand a day quota. Yeah,

46:15 Speaker 3: because that's the that's the quota. It's three thousand a day. Yeah.

46:20 Speaker 4: Well, when you run out of illegals, where do you

46:22 Speaker 4: go if that's your claim? Yeah, so, and they did

46:28 Speaker 4: that a long time ago.

46:29 Speaker 3: Okay, maybe in the beginning, they were picking up people

46:31 Speaker 3: who were criminalized, and occasionally they grab somebody who is

46:34 Speaker 3: a criminal who has done terrible things, who doesn't have

46:37 Speaker 3: a deportation order, and that's the person that absolutely, yes,

46:41 Speaker 3: we don't want the Cereal rapists to be in the country.

46:46 Speaker 3: Of course, when you go into the ice cream man

46:50 Speaker 3: who's served this community for over twenty years, he's got

46:53 Speaker 3: a green car, done everything right, pays his taxes.

46:57 Speaker 4: And you literally take him because he's easy pickings.

47:00 Speaker 2: Yeah. And as far as the people who are here illegally,

47:03 Speaker 2: because you know, there will always be people who will

47:05 Speaker 2: say and you know, like I have a family member

47:08 Speaker 2: who will say this, and I'll get a series of

47:11 Speaker 2: angry text messages from them, I'm sure after today's show.

47:14 Speaker 2: But you know, well, Matt, what about the people who

47:18 Speaker 2: entered the country illegally? They they committed a crime, and

47:20 Speaker 2: technically it's a misdemeanor.

47:22 Speaker 3: If you want to remember, those people want it to

47:26 Speaker 3: be a felony.

47:27 Speaker 2: Though, Oh I know, I know, but but you know,

47:30 Speaker 2: the people who look in a better world, obviously I

47:34 Speaker 2: would want everyone to enter the country legally. And I'm

47:37 Speaker 2: not you know, I'm not for open borders there. You know,

47:40 Speaker 2: as a sovereign nation, we have every right to protect

47:42 Speaker 2: our border and control who comes in and out and

47:45 Speaker 2: who knows who comes in and all of that right.

47:47 Speaker 2: But here's the thing though, this is and again I

47:50 Speaker 2: wish this is something I wish democrats would say when

47:53 Speaker 2: having these arguments. Regardless of how you feel about people

47:59 Speaker 2: coming into the country illegally, we built an economy that

48:05 Speaker 2: depends on people coming into the country illegally to work

48:11 Speaker 2: on these farms and in these factories and in hospitality.

48:16 Speaker 2: Maybe if all of you who have such a problem,

48:20 Speaker 2: who are so mad about these people who broke our

48:23 Speaker 2: laws coming into the country illegally. Well, maybe we shouldn't

48:26 Speaker 2: have built an economy that depends on them, and it

48:29 Speaker 2: does depend on them, so but we did. We built

48:35 Speaker 2: an economy that depends on these people. So now that

48:38 Speaker 2: we've done that, let's acknowledge that. Let's own that and

48:43 Speaker 2: now fix the system.

48:45 Speaker 4: In one self, let me pay devil's advocate. Here's the

48:47 Speaker 4: other side.

48:49 Speaker 5: Oh but see, all of the lazy Americans who are

48:52 Speaker 5: collecting entitlements are going to take over those service industry jobs,

48:58 Speaker 5: in farm worker jobs.

49:00 Speaker 3: They're gonna do it because this is an invisible number

49:03 Speaker 3: of people who don't fucking exist.

49:06 Speaker 4: They're gonna fill these blanks because, in case.

49:08 Speaker 3: You hadn't noticed, the dollar store was closed in at

49:11 Speaker 3: three ninety percent of the retail stores I go to.

49:15 Speaker 4: Don't have enough staff.

49:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, like the medical industry does not have enough staff.

49:21 Speaker 3: There are plenty of wonderful jobs out there that aren't staffed.

49:25 Speaker 3: And it's not because of america laziest. It's because America

49:28 Speaker 3: stopped having eight and ten fucking kids. Yeah, we stopped

49:33 Speaker 3: having babies left, right and center.

49:35 Speaker 4: So women couldn't have babies anymore because we didn't believe

49:38 Speaker 4: in any kind of birth control.

49:39 Speaker 3: That stopped, and when we stopped having supersized families, there

49:44 Speaker 3: weren't people to fill the void in the holes that

49:48 Speaker 3: are now occurring. I'm an only child, and I know

49:51 Speaker 3: a lot of people who are only children.

49:53 Speaker 4: In my generation.

49:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh yeah.

49:56 Speaker 3: My dad's generation people had like four or five kids,

50:01 Speaker 3: but my grandmother's generation they had like eight and kids,

50:07 Speaker 3: and that has progressively changed generation after generation. So there

50:11 Speaker 3: doesn't exist this invisible number of people who are going

50:15 Speaker 3: to miraculously jump up out of the corn weaves.

50:18 Speaker 2: And stop picking.

50:19 Speaker 4: It's not gonna happen. It's just not gonna happen.

50:23 Speaker 3: Are the number of people in the United States who

50:26 Speaker 3: are lazy and don't work, of course, but it makes

50:28 Speaker 3: up about one percent. Because we have a system that

50:31 Speaker 3: is so fucking hard to get into.

50:34 Speaker 4: People don't understand.

50:35 Speaker 3: And I challenge conservatives to go to their social departments

50:40 Speaker 3: and find out just how hard it is to get

50:43 Speaker 3: food stamps to get wick make it do They don't

50:48 Speaker 3: make it easy.

50:48 Speaker 4: And that's intentional.

50:50 Speaker 3: That's to make sure that the people who need it

50:52 Speaker 3: are getting it, and that's also to weed out people

50:54 Speaker 3: who aren't allowed to get it. Which includes somebody who

50:58 Speaker 3: is not in the country, who he's an undocumented soul

51:01 Speaker 3: who doesn't have papers with them. That person can't get

51:06 Speaker 3: them because they don't have the papers.

51:09 Speaker 2: You have to have papers.

51:11 Speaker 3: You have to be a documented human being in the

51:13 Speaker 3: country or a citizen to even remotely come close to

51:18 Speaker 3: qualifying it. People think that you just go in there

51:20 Speaker 3: and go, hey, I'm hungry, here's.

51:23 Speaker 4: Two hundred bucks of stamps. It doesn't work like that.

51:25 Speaker 2: It doesn't really die, no, and.

51:29 Speaker 3: It never has. It never has, I can remember. I'll

51:33 Speaker 3: tell you a quick story. When I was very very young,

51:39 Speaker 3: when I was twenty two going right twenty to twenty

51:43 Speaker 3: three years old, I was told I could not have children,

51:47 Speaker 3: and then suddenly I got pregnant. I had been married

51:49 Speaker 3: for a couple of years and my husband, who's passed

51:53 Speaker 3: away at the time at the time, got appendicitis right

51:58 Speaker 3: after I got let go for my job because me

52:02 Speaker 3: being young, stupid, and naive, I had a job that

52:04 Speaker 3: I was within ninety days. I hadn't passed my ninety

52:07 Speaker 3: days yet and I was working with chemicals, and shit,

52:09 Speaker 3: I'm all excited and I say, hey, I'm pregnant.

52:11 Speaker 4: Well, the next day they fired me. Now I filed

52:17 Speaker 4: for unemployment. I won. They lied.

52:19 Speaker 3: They provided my time cards and it showed that I

52:22 Speaker 3: never missed time. So I actually collected unemployment because they

52:27 Speaker 3: illegally fired me. That said, he was out of work

52:32 Speaker 3: with appendicitist emergency surgery and I was out of work.

52:36 Speaker 3: So we had an entire month of no income and

52:40 Speaker 3: it was and we were only allowed to get emergency

52:44 Speaker 3: food stamps.

52:45 Speaker 4: I remember this for It was two hundred bucks.

52:48 Speaker 3: It was emergency, one time allotment only, and that was it. It

52:53 Speaker 3: didn't matter that I was now unemployed, even though he

52:56 Speaker 3: was going back to work. He was going back to work,

52:59 Speaker 3: so that was that was fine, that's enough. You got

53:01 Speaker 3: it for the one month for emergency.

53:03 Speaker 4: And that was it.

53:06 Speaker 2: Yeah.

53:07 Speaker 3: Now these programs aren't handouts, Nope, they're very difficult to get,

53:16 Speaker 3: and they are things that we pay for because we

53:19 Speaker 3: don't want people to die and starve in our society

53:22 Speaker 3: like they do in other countries. Right apparently that's changing now,

53:26 Speaker 3: Apparently we'd rather let people starve to death. We want

53:30 Speaker 3: children to go hungry in schools like I've got. It's

53:33 Speaker 3: kind of does it surprise you? Like how vigorously and

53:37 Speaker 3: aggressive they are to take away school lunch.

53:40 Speaker 2: Oh no, nothing, nothing surprises me anymore. I mean, you

53:44 Speaker 2: know G's Nazis and conquered. Didn't even surprise me. No,

53:46 Speaker 2: nothing surprises me anymore.

53:49 Speaker 3: I mean, why why are we trying to not feed children?

53:53 Speaker 3: What happened to you Christian values? It is scouting.

53:55 Speaker 4: We're ch right.

53:57 Speaker 2: If I wake up tomorrow to martial law having been declared,

54:02 Speaker 2: it won't.

54:02 Speaker 3: Be surprised to see them when their elections get suspended

54:05 Speaker 3: so there's no midterm.

54:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean they're already trying to jerry me into that. Yeah.

54:10 Speaker 3: How long is it before two states goes into nineteen

54:13 Speaker 3: states goes into all fifty fucking states that we now

54:17 Speaker 3: have National Guard and appointed law enforcement officers over the

54:22 Speaker 3: law enforcement officers that were elected.

54:25 Speaker 4: Or in or appointed by our own state. States rights

54:29 Speaker 4: be damned.

54:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing. Yeah, they like to talk about

54:33 Speaker 2: states rights. But again, it's only it's like I said,

54:35 Speaker 2: whether it's that or fiscal policy or you know, it's

54:39 Speaker 2: only you know, it's only when.

54:42 Speaker 4: When it's convenient to their convenience, when.

54:44 Speaker 2: It's convenient for them, they'll they'll they'll flip on anything that,

54:48 Speaker 2: you know, if they can, if they can find a

54:50 Speaker 2: way to hurt people. I mean, that's that's a big,

54:52 Speaker 2: big part of it.

54:53 Speaker 3: Military in the streets. And they did just change it

54:57 Speaker 3: now too that now they're going to carry arms. Of course,

55:01 Speaker 3: they weren't carrying guns. They were just there supposedly to assist.

55:05 Speaker 3: But now they're current carrying ak's down the street and

55:08 Speaker 3: patrolling the street, you know, like we're living in fucking China.

55:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's.

55:16 Speaker 3: No just And then they had the right to just

55:18 Speaker 3: simply pick somebody up off and take them off, yeah,

55:22 Speaker 3: and take off with them.

55:23 Speaker 2: Yeah.

55:25 Speaker 3: No, due process when you throw in that, people are

55:29 Speaker 3: so quick to throw away due process rights to so

55:32 Speaker 3: called undocumented people. Do they not understand they're doing that.

55:36 Speaker 3: They're opening that for us, for the rest of America,

55:40 Speaker 3: for other America. It's not It doesn't just stop with one.

55:43 Speaker 3: It never does. The proverbial nose under the camel's tent.

55:48 Speaker 2: Yeah. They'll also try to rationalize it by saying, well,

55:51 Speaker 2: the Constitution only applies to Americans, which is not true. No,

55:54 Speaker 2: that's a misunderstanding. It applies to anyone in the country. Yeah,

55:58 Speaker 2: it applies to anyone within our borders. Yeah.

56:01 Speaker 3: Absolutely, Uh, we are militarizing of our country. Yeah, and

56:07 Speaker 3: they're gonna make it they want And what is it

56:10 Speaker 3: we used to say all the time back in the day.

56:13 Speaker 3: They want you to get used to seeing that. They

56:15 Speaker 3: want to become normalized, for you to see military walking

56:20 Speaker 3: down the street carrying ak's military gear.

56:24 Speaker 4: They want you to be that. Yes, they want you

56:28 Speaker 4: in fear of it.

56:29 Speaker 3: Yes, they want you to mind your p's and q's

56:31 Speaker 3: and not speak poorly of them out of fear of

56:35 Speaker 3: being arrested.

56:36 Speaker 2: That's right, absolutely, that is what they want. All right. Well,

56:42 Speaker 2: I think on that note, was there anything else you

56:45 Speaker 2: wanted to mention or talk about. I don't think so, Okay,

56:53 Speaker 2: all right very much, Yeah, yeah, no, we can we

56:57 Speaker 2: can stop on that and I'll get this into the Yeah.

57:00 Speaker 4: I think this is a good place to stop.

57:02 Speaker 3: I mean, I hope that people will stand up, speak up.

57:06 Speaker 3: You have to get up, and you have to get active.

57:08 Speaker 3: This isn't politics as usual. Right in the old days,

57:12 Speaker 3: Democrats and Republicans worked across party lines came to agreements

57:16 Speaker 3: that were suitable for most. Now it's this right, extreme

57:22 Speaker 3: right ring rule and a regime that is militarizing our

57:27 Speaker 3: country and this cannot be the America that you want.

57:32 Speaker 3: So you've got to get active. And if you're not

57:33 Speaker 3: sure how to do that, reach out. Be happy to

57:36 Speaker 3: bring you in and show you what we're doing and

57:39 Speaker 3: what other people are doing, and hopefully bring in your

57:42 Speaker 3: ideas to combat this because we have got to or

57:46 Speaker 3: democracy is dead. And I don't say that to just

57:49 Speaker 3: throw that out there, but for real, if there's if

57:52 Speaker 3: there's military in the streets and there's no there's nobody

57:57 Speaker 3: holding anybody accountable, this isn't democracy, this is fascism.

58:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, one hundred percent. All right, Jenny, you want to

58:07 Speaker 2: mention your website for people to keep up with everything

58:10 Speaker 2: that you're doing.

58:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, come check out what I'm doing.

58:12 Speaker 3: Actually, it just got my first byline on Common Dreams.

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58:51 Speaker 2: And if you are streaming this live on Sunday, just

58:55 Speaker 2: a quick reminder. On Monday, which will be the twenty fifth,

59:00 Speaker 2: at I believe, at five pm, we're going to do

59:03 Speaker 2: a stream with Vices Inc. About vices Fest which is

59:06 Speaker 2: coming up next weekend Labor Day weekend at the Strand

59:10 Speaker 2: and Dover. It is an amazing three day festival and

59:14 Speaker 2: looking forward to learning more about that. There's gonna be

59:16 Speaker 2: a lot of great bands. There are many of whom

59:17 Speaker 2: who have been on the show over the past couple

59:19 Speaker 2: of years. So all right, that's it for us for now,

59:22 Speaker 2: Thanks Jenny, and we'll talk to you a little bit later.

59:24 Speaker 2: Bye everybody, Bye bye Commander.

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