Wrestling with Charles Richardson | Matt Connarton Unleashed

0:00 Speaker 1: So what's the podcast that you're doing. Tell us about it.

0:03 Speaker 1: The wrestling podcast.

0:04 Speaker 2: So the podcast is the podcast that's called the Josh

0:08 Speaker 2: Zodiac Podcast. It stars him his brother called the Psycho Nerd.

0:14 Speaker 2: Don't even ask me, and and myself. So and there's

0:21 Speaker 2: a there's another co host that he's that he's brought

0:24 Speaker 2: on and she's pretty good too. She's very knowledgeable. And

0:27 Speaker 2: when we were doing the the live pl e's I

0:29 Speaker 2: do the live recording. He does the podcast. So when

0:33 Speaker 2: there's a live pl E a big one, I'm usually

0:36 Speaker 2: the one that does it through my channel and he

0:39 Speaker 2: joins in with with everybody, and you know, we cover

0:42 Speaker 2: the matches. Yeah, but but he does it's like an hour.

0:46 Speaker 2: It's it's an hour podcast and discuss various different topics,

0:50 Speaker 2: usually about Ross SmackDown and what's going on with the

0:53 Speaker 2: next p l E or other wrestling rumors, like we

0:57 Speaker 2: talked about Hogan, we talked about and Cross and Scarlett

1:01 Speaker 2: not being resigned, we talked about how bad they are.

1:05 Speaker 2: It's just it's just completely, uh, all over the place wrestling.

1:11 Speaker 2: So it's like, you know, we don't discuss because I know,

1:14 Speaker 2: tough bumps. You focused on one topic and you guys

1:16 Speaker 2: go on it for for how long? The show is

1:19 Speaker 2: maybe two?

1:19 Speaker 1: Not?

1:20 Speaker 2: Well you talk about several topics.

1:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, we actually do. We actually do several topics

1:25 Speaker 1: on on tough Bumps. What we do is so we

1:27 Speaker 1: have the main event. Every week, we pick a subject

1:30 Speaker 1: that we're going to cover in depth, and then but

1:33 Speaker 1: we also have the undercard, and the undercard is usually

1:35 Speaker 1: two or three subjects that we're we cover kind of

1:39 Speaker 1: a short We have briefer conversations about leading up to

1:42 Speaker 1: the main event. So then the main event will be

1:45 Speaker 1: whatever it is, like like this past weekend, the main

1:48 Speaker 1: event was aw kind of the history of ae W.

1:52 Speaker 1: So we kind of we kind of do it that way.

1:54 Speaker 1: But I mean that's but that's another great thing about

1:57 Speaker 1: podcasting too, is you know you can do it anyway you.

1:59 Speaker 3: Want to this.

2:00 Speaker 1: No, there's no rules, there's no format to follow. You

2:03 Speaker 1: know you can it can change, it can evolve, it

2:06 Speaker 1: can devolve, it can you know however you wanna, however

2:09 Speaker 1: you want to do it. I feel like you have

2:12 Speaker 1: you worked with Josh Zodiac before. The reason I ask

2:14 Speaker 1: is I've heard that name and I think I've heard

2:16 Speaker 1: you mentioned the name before Josh Zodiac.

2:20 Speaker 2: No, I've actually just recently come on to his UHS

2:25 Speaker 2: podcast uh as an official co host. He had me

2:29 Speaker 2: on a guest a couple of times. But it's like, hey, listen,

2:32 Speaker 2: you're really good. I like you the interaction that we have.

2:34 Speaker 2: So it's like, I want to do a co something,

2:37 Speaker 2: Sure if you want, absolutely, so Okay, usually every Saturday

2:40 Speaker 2: we do we do a show or he records and uh,

2:43 Speaker 2: but no, it's it's only been for a few months now.

2:45 Speaker 1: Oh cool, Okay, I may I may have heard of

2:47 Speaker 1: him elsewhere then I might have h I might have

2:49 Speaker 1: seen something of Eric, might even know him.

2:51 Speaker 2: I don't know.

2:52 Speaker 1: No, that's very cool, that's very cool. And and and

2:54 Speaker 1: then so when do the whe doer the new episodes

2:56 Speaker 1: come out? When should people look for him?

2:59 Speaker 2: Is it two a week Sunday? It's it's just it's

3:03 Speaker 2: just one a week. Usually they drop on Sunday. Okay,

3:07 Speaker 2: he is. We're taking September off and then we're gonna

3:11 Speaker 2: ramp up afterwards, get ready for or after Survivor series,

3:16 Speaker 2: and then we'll go ahead and jump back into it.

3:19 Speaker 2: But I may I may do Survivor series on my

3:23 Speaker 2: end because I know, I think that what that's two

3:24 Speaker 2: nights now again.

3:26 Speaker 3: The Survivor series two nights one night.

3:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know. I think they're all going to

3:31 Speaker 2: two nights. Crying out loud. That's what w W is

3:35 Speaker 2: all about right now, is that they're all about making money.

3:38 Speaker 2: And it's just really sad of how how downtry it

3:41 Speaker 2: is with the new ESPN deal going on. It's like, gee, whiz, guys.

3:46 Speaker 2: I mean, listen, you're already you're you're already firing up

3:48 Speaker 2: and everything. How about giving the fans a break?

3:50 Speaker 3: Huh yeah, it is.

3:52 Speaker 2: Uh, it's just crazy.

3:53 Speaker 4: I am not buying ESPN. No, I am not buying it.

3:57 Speaker 4: They can pound stand.

3:58 Speaker 3: I'm done. Well, I already have.

4:00 Speaker 4: I got I got Netflix to watch raw, I got

4:04 Speaker 4: Peacock to watch pl E's I got. You know, I

4:07 Speaker 4: gotta go to empty different places to watch stuff to

4:10 Speaker 4: begin with. I'm done.

4:11 Speaker 3: I'm not chasing them to ESPN.

4:14 Speaker 2: Sand Well, so I heard that if you are subscribed

4:19 Speaker 2: to ESPN, do your linear cable subscription. I think you're covered. Yeah.

4:26 Speaker 3: No, I don't do cable.

4:27 Speaker 1: We cut the We cut the court a long time ago. Yeah,

4:30 Speaker 1: we don't have cable we cut the cord a long

4:32 Speaker 1: time ago.

4:32 Speaker 2: Ridiculous costs.

4:33 Speaker 3: It won't do it.

4:34 Speaker 1: It's so expensive for But now, in terms of though,

4:37 Speaker 1: and this is a conversation that I had with Eric

4:39 Speaker 1: on Tough Bumps, the easy workaround is you just get

4:43 Speaker 1: a you know, you can get a VPN for like

4:44 Speaker 1: six bucks a month and connect to because the ples

4:47 Speaker 1: will still be available internationally on Netflix, just not in

4:51 Speaker 1: the US. So you just get a you just get

4:53 Speaker 1: a VPN. Netflix doesn't know where you're connecting from. You

4:56 Speaker 1: can have access to everything, I mean really or just or.

5:01 Speaker 2: Just or just contact me after the show and I'll

5:03 Speaker 2: go ahead and give you information about you know, adding

5:06 Speaker 2: you on to my family subscription on YouTube tv O.

5:10 Speaker 4: Well, I agree with what you were saying before, and

5:15 Speaker 4: now it just went out of my head.

5:17 Speaker 3: Oh about it it being so expensive now to be

5:19 Speaker 3: a fan? Yeah, right, it's.

5:20 Speaker 4: Really it really gives something back to the fans, hih.

5:23 Speaker 4: I mean we spent enough money buying, emptying different subscriptions

5:26 Speaker 4: to watch umpthing different things. And you know, but I

5:29 Speaker 4: agree with you one hundred percent. And I hate the

5:31 Speaker 4: direction they're going in. I don't like the way they're

5:33 Speaker 4: treating talent, especially truth.

5:39 Speaker 2: I yeah, right, I think talent's being treated a lot

5:43 Speaker 2: better than they were with Vince. To be honest with you,

5:46 Speaker 2: there may be some one offs, yes, for for talent

5:49 Speaker 2: that I think. I think Truth was brought back based

5:53 Speaker 2: on fan pressure, which if you think about it, wouldn't

5:57 Speaker 2: have not affected Vince one bit, right, because the fans

6:01 Speaker 2: are calling out for names. Triple H is listening to

6:05 Speaker 2: the fans. So I think the talent is treated a

6:08 Speaker 2: lot better nowadays.

6:10 Speaker 4: Well maybe a little bit in that regard. But to

6:13 Speaker 4: drop somebody with no notice, no nothing, just ah, yeah,

6:18 Speaker 4: we've been with us for decades, but goodbye, see it

6:20 Speaker 4: hour get out that that's the way that they've dropped people, uh,

6:25 Speaker 4: you know, is awful. They don't have discussions with them.

6:27 Speaker 4: They just wait till the end and then go oh

6:29 Speaker 4: yeah you're gone. And people have been with them, people

6:32 Speaker 4: their lives are invested. Yeah, that's how you treat people.

6:36 Speaker 2: For Jenny, they they've they've they've done massive cuts before

6:42 Speaker 2: just to save They've done that way before. The Truth.

6:46 Speaker 2: It's just the fact of the matter that Truth is

6:48 Speaker 2: such such is so beloved. Yeah, he's such a he's

6:52 Speaker 2: basically I guarantee you when he retires he finally hangs

6:57 Speaker 2: up his boots, I guarantee you he's going to be

6:59 Speaker 2: in Bastad.

7:01 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, he'll always have some sort of a connection

7:03 Speaker 1: of the company, I'm sure, Yeah, regardless, but not.

7:06 Speaker 4: The only one though that they just drop like that.

7:09 Speaker 4: Well yeah, but been around forever and it's just you're gone.

7:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, I do think. I do think though, with with

7:14 Speaker 1: some people. I mean, if you reach a point where

7:16 Speaker 1: you don't think you can, you know, then.

7:18 Speaker 3: Have a discussion with them.

7:19 Speaker 4: Be honest, don't be like Cross.

7:23 Speaker 1: Well, the Carrion Cross thing seems like a unique situation.

7:26 Speaker 1: Did you watch did you watch him? Excuse me, I'm

7:29 Speaker 1: losing my voice, Charles, did you watch? Jenny and I

7:32 Speaker 1: watched both the documentary, uh, the Killer Cross Part two

7:36 Speaker 1: slash My Contract Just Ended or whatever it's called. And

7:40 Speaker 1: we watched the Aeriel Helwani interview where Carrion Cross to

7:45 Speaker 1: me comes across no pun intended really well. And in

7:48 Speaker 1: the documentary both he and Scarlett come across really well,

7:51 Speaker 1: and it's it's easy to have a lot of sympathy

7:54 Speaker 1: for them. Did you watch either of those or both

7:56 Speaker 1: of those?

7:59 Speaker 2: No? Unfortunately, I can't say I have. Yeah, but here's

8:02 Speaker 2: my take on Carrion's I'm gonna be honest with you,

8:05 Speaker 2: and this is just what I see. Either Creative has

8:09 Speaker 2: dropped the ball massively, yes, or Carrion just does not

8:13 Speaker 2: get over with the fans at all. I mean he

8:17 Speaker 2: number one. If you take a look at his erring work,

8:20 Speaker 2: I can see why the guy only wrestles one time

8:22 Speaker 2: a year. The guy is dangerous. You think that that match,

8:28 Speaker 2: that match is dammy Zaye. Literally I saw one or

8:32 Speaker 2: two inches where he could be paralyzed. The Yeah, it was.

8:39 Speaker 2: It was some scary stuff. Me, me and Joshua we're

8:43 Speaker 2: talking about that match, and it's like, yeah, he is unsafe.

8:47 Speaker 2: He is unsafe. It's it's not a good performance at all.

8:52 Speaker 2: His character is lackluster at best. I loved it when

8:56 Speaker 2: he was with AOP and had the the Final Testament.

9:02 Speaker 3: Oh, the Final Testament.

9:03 Speaker 2: Yeah, that was where he That is where I think

9:07 Speaker 2: he should. He needs to be surrounded by talent. He

9:10 Speaker 2: cannot hold himself with his character. He cannot. So either

9:15 Speaker 2: Creative is dropping the ball, finding nothing legitimate that he

9:19 Speaker 2: can do well, or he just excuse my French sucks

9:26 Speaker 2: and he just needs to go.

9:28 Speaker 3: Yeah, I would.

9:29 Speaker 1: I would definitely put it on creative because you know,

9:32 Speaker 1: just hearing the guy talk, even in see I've always

9:35 Speaker 1: been impressed with him in in interviews, various podcast interviews

9:40 Speaker 1: I've seen with him over the years and whatnot. He's

9:42 Speaker 1: so articulate and so interesting. It's like, how do you

9:46 Speaker 1: not find something to do with this guy? And then

9:49 Speaker 1: in recent days when he did that that promo that

9:51 Speaker 1: was like a worked shoot where you know he did

9:54 Speaker 1: he did that that promo after WrestleMania where he was

9:57 Speaker 1: complaining about not being on the show and and he

9:59 Speaker 1: threw down the mic crophone and said that's killer cross

10:01 Speaker 1: and everything. And then people really got behind him after that,

10:05 Speaker 1: and apparently his merchandise sales through WWE dot com spiked massively,

10:11 Speaker 1: and his book, his new book that just came out,

10:14 Speaker 1: Life is Fighting, is doing very well. So there's clearly

10:18 Speaker 1: the fans want him, they want to get behind him.

10:20 Speaker 1: I put it all on creative. How do you not

10:22 Speaker 1: make money with this guy? And I've always felt that

10:25 Speaker 1: like they they did well with him in NXT when

10:28 Speaker 1: Triple H was running NXT, but then you know, they

10:31 Speaker 1: brought him up to the main roster. Vince was still

10:33 Speaker 1: in charge, so Vince immediately ruined him. They released him,

10:36 Speaker 1: they brought him back, and then they's like they can't

10:38 Speaker 1: figure out what to do with him, and it's like,

10:39 Speaker 1: how do you not find something for this guy to do?

10:43 Speaker 3: You know, I don't know.

10:45 Speaker 2: I put it on creative. Not every NXT champion or

10:52 Speaker 2: somebody that's rising up from NXT goes to the main

10:55 Speaker 2: roster and succeeds. It's just not that. And also there

10:59 Speaker 2: may be other works behind the scenes. There could be

11:01 Speaker 2: some back back uh uh, there could be some drama

11:05 Speaker 2: going on backstage. There could be some obviously creative differences,

11:10 Speaker 2: I'm sure backstage. But the thing is, though, just just

11:16 Speaker 2: seeing what I've seen on camera, it's very bland. It's

11:22 Speaker 2: it's it's not it's not entertaining for me at least.

11:26 Speaker 2: I mean again, it sounds like you and Jenny Field differently,

11:29 Speaker 2: but it's not entertaining for me. And and and I

11:32 Speaker 2: find his wrestling style is very dangerous.

11:36 Speaker 3: I will say I don't think his ring work.

11:39 Speaker 1: I've never noticed the dangerous aspect of that, but I

11:42 Speaker 1: would be curious, like Jenny said, you know, maybe we'll

11:45 Speaker 1: go back and watch that match. But I will say

11:48 Speaker 1: I've never found his ringwork to be particularly spectacular. Like

11:52 Speaker 1: I don't expect to hear this is awesome chant during

11:55 Speaker 1: a Carrion cross match.

11:56 Speaker 2: No, but but again it's it's it's it's far but

11:59 Speaker 2: it's it's far from spectacularly. It's down it's downright bad.

12:04 Speaker 2: It really is. The I don't know because listen, when

12:08 Speaker 2: you take a look and you're inside that ring, you

12:11 Speaker 2: are dancing with your dance partner. I mean, yes, it's

12:14 Speaker 2: kind of sad to say because they're wearing tight, tight

12:17 Speaker 2: shorts and everything like that, and you know, it's just

12:20 Speaker 2: you just think about that. It's just like, Okay, you're

12:23 Speaker 2: dancing with a dude, all right, whatever, But they're dancing

12:25 Speaker 2: and your dance partner. Somebody has to lead, somebody has

12:29 Speaker 2: to Communication is always a spot Sammy Zain, whether it

12:35 Speaker 2: be with Jay Usso, whether it be with the Bloodline,

12:38 Speaker 2: whether it be with Kevin Owens. Sammy Zaine's beautiful. He

12:45 Speaker 2: twinkle toes around that ring like nobody ever great. I

12:50 Speaker 2: seemy carry and crossing and I'm almost ready to cry

12:53 Speaker 2: because there is no twinkle toes. Something's off and it's

12:58 Speaker 2: can't be Sammy, because I've seen Sammy Inner act with

13:00 Speaker 2: other wrestlers and he is just beautiful. It's great, it's artwork.

13:05 Speaker 2: It's not art, it's it's just it's maybe it's not dangerous,

13:09 Speaker 2: but it's just not good.

13:11 Speaker 1: I do think they had a good match at SummerSlam.

13:13 Speaker 1: I thought it was I thought it was very good.

13:17 Speaker 1: I mean, I you know, I didn't have any complaints

13:19 Speaker 1: about it, certainly, but I think the I.

13:24 Speaker 2: Think the drama and the interaction, the interference with scarlet

13:27 Speaker 2: with the bar, I like that. But there was a

13:31 Speaker 2: couple of bumps there where I was like, please get up, Sammy,

13:34 Speaker 2: please get up, Please don't do the referee, don't do

13:37 Speaker 2: the x uh. It's just it's there's there's some of

13:40 Speaker 2: the bumps that I just saw the like, I mean, okay,

13:43 Speaker 2: that didn't look that didn't look good.

13:45 Speaker 1: I do have to acknowledge my favorite part of any

13:47 Speaker 1: carrying cross match has always been the entrance. I think

13:49 Speaker 1: the entrance is incredible. I think I think, I think

13:53 Speaker 1: that the whole thing is really good. But but he

13:56 Speaker 1: also said it is the.

13:58 Speaker 2: Best part of carrying cross is the entrance. You're absolutely right.

14:01 Speaker 1: He did say during the uh the Ariel hill Wana

14:05 Speaker 1: interview too, that they so you said you didn't watch it, correct,

14:11 Speaker 1: He said that, he said that it's it's really it's

14:15 Speaker 1: really good. But he said that they did make him

14:18 Speaker 1: an offer. It's not that they didn't make him an offer.

14:20 Speaker 1: They did make him an offer. But there were two

14:22 Speaker 1: things that there were a problem. One is he wanted

14:25 Speaker 1: to know how they arrived at that number. So I

14:26 Speaker 1: assume it was a low number because he again, there's

14:30 Speaker 1: been a just recently, there was a pretty big spike

14:32 Speaker 1: in his merchandise sales apparently, so they wanted to know

14:35 Speaker 1: how they arrived at number. At that number, he didn't

14:37 Speaker 1: say no, He just said, you know, let's continue the conversation.

14:40 Speaker 1: And the other sticking point was they did not offer

14:42 Speaker 1: her Scarlet anything. They offered him a new deal. They

14:44 Speaker 1: did not offer Scarlett a new deal. And he says

14:47 Speaker 1: that what they told him was that they would sign him,

14:52 Speaker 1: let's get your deal locked in, and then will we'll

14:55 Speaker 1: figure out Scarlet, which I can understand him being very

14:59 Speaker 1: concerned about that for two reasons. Number One, she's a

15:01 Speaker 1: huge part of the act. You know, it's hard to

15:04 Speaker 1: imagine him without her. But also I would be worried

15:07 Speaker 1: about Okay, so you want to sign me, You want

15:10 Speaker 1: me to hurry up and sign this deal and then

15:13 Speaker 1: we'll and then we'll deal with Scarlett afterward. I'm worried

15:17 Speaker 1: that there's not going to be a follow through there. Okay,

15:19 Speaker 1: I'm going to sign this deal that you, for some reason,

15:21 Speaker 1: are in such a hurry for me to go ahead

15:23 Speaker 1: and sign, because you're telling me, if I don't sign

15:24 Speaker 1: it in twenty four hours, you're rescinding the offer. No

15:26 Speaker 1: ongoing contract negotiations. Either sign this or you resined, and

15:30 Speaker 1: then I'm supposed to just trust you that then you're

15:34 Speaker 1: going to talk to Scarlet or we're going to sit

15:37 Speaker 1: down and negotiate something for Scarlet as well. That is

15:41 Speaker 1: that sounded pretty sketchy to me, So I don't blame

15:44 Speaker 1: him for saying no, agreed.

15:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with that, because listen, what does my

15:50 Speaker 2: deal have to do with Scarlett? Scarlett has her own deal.

15:53 Speaker 2: How about we get Scarlett on board first, Yeah, and

15:56 Speaker 2: then talk to me. I think, honestly, it's a way

15:59 Speaker 2: to go ahead and break this apart, because number one,

16:01 Speaker 2: Scarlet's not a wrestler. She has not wrestled. She is

16:04 Speaker 2: a valet.

16:05 Speaker 3: I think she hasn't she has.

16:07 Speaker 2: Unfortunately, I think I.

16:10 Speaker 3: Thought she had wrestled in the net to my recollection.

16:12 Speaker 2: If she had a long time.

16:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, probably been a long time. But I mean, I

16:16 Speaker 1: know she takes bumps and everything. I thought she had

16:19 Speaker 1: wrestled at one time. I'm looking it up now.

16:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, she probably has trained before. Yeah, definitely look it up. Yeah,

16:27 Speaker 2: but she's probably trained before to go ahead and said bumps.

16:30 Speaker 2: But she's primarily a vala. And I don't think WWE,

16:34 Speaker 2: especially with them cracking down on salary and everything like that,

16:37 Speaker 2: I don't think they're gonna go ahead and pay a vala,

16:39 Speaker 2: which is weird. You're going ahead and bumping up to

16:43 Speaker 2: ESPN for thirty dollars a month. You're already telling people

16:46 Speaker 2: to pay for Netflix for raw and you're cutting salary.

16:49 Speaker 2: Really okay, I mean, I you know, I don't get it.

16:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm looking on Wikipedia.

16:57 Speaker 3: It looks like I.

16:58 Speaker 4: Get Peacock for the play.

17:02 Speaker 2: And and and they're also bumping up because they said

17:06 Speaker 2: when they signed this deal with ESPN that their first

17:10 Speaker 2: p l E was going to be wrestle Mania next year.

17:13 Speaker 2: They're bumping it up to something called Russell Polluta yep

17:18 Speaker 2: in September yep, y she with.

17:23 Speaker 4: I think their money. I think they're greedy as heck.

17:27 Speaker 4: They got that company's got so much money. Now then

17:30 Speaker 4: Nikol and Diamond, the artists who are contracted, they.

17:34 Speaker 3: Don't get healthcare.

17:34 Speaker 4: They got to pay their own healthcare everything else. Right,

17:38 Speaker 4: That's why I think people don't understand that sometimes too,

17:40 Speaker 4: because they think they're employees, right, They're non employees. They're

17:44 Speaker 4: independent contract They got to work around from the government basically,

17:50 Speaker 4: and it's stuck.

17:51 Speaker 2: They yeah, they're I mean, obviously there's there's another wrestling

17:57 Speaker 2: promotion out there. If you don't make it a WWE,

17:59 Speaker 2: go over the w see what they can do. You

18:01 Speaker 2: got full creative control. You have another con and debt

18:05 Speaker 2: that didn't charge. So you go from Tony to Neck

18:08 Speaker 2: or Nick to Tony. I don't know. I forgot whose

18:10 Speaker 2: con is open. They're both cons.

18:15 Speaker 3: Sorry I had to do it.

18:19 Speaker 2: God, I can't go over to the aw there. You

18:24 Speaker 2: know they you know that they're they're thriving as well.

18:26 Speaker 2: I mean, look how awesome they are. I mean, look, look,

18:29 Speaker 2: I mean just just think about it. Chris Jericho went

18:32 Speaker 2: from w w E to a W possibly.

18:34 Speaker 3: Back to w w E most likely.

18:36 Speaker 2: I thought that, Come on, now, Tony Rhodes goes ahead

18:40 Speaker 2: and flicks off w w E when he goes to AW.

18:43 Speaker 2: Now it's back to w w E. What's going on?

18:46 Speaker 2: How come you can't keep their talent, talent that they

18:49 Speaker 2: take from w w E. Well, it's not working. Now,

18:53 Speaker 2: next thing you know, we're getting Dan Ambrose back, right.

18:55 Speaker 2: Is that what's gonna happen next?

18:56 Speaker 4: Oh?

18:57 Speaker 1: I hope, so, I hope. So that was something that

19:00 Speaker 1: Eric and I talked about too on Tough Bumps. By

19:02 Speaker 1: the way, if you're just joining us, we have Charles

19:03 Speaker 1: Richardson from the Charles Richardson Show on the line with us,

19:06 Speaker 1: and and uh oh, and of course the pot what's

19:10 Speaker 1: the name of the wrestling podcast? Is it the Josh

19:12 Speaker 1: Zodiac Show? Yes, the Josh Zodiac Podcast, the Josh Zodiac Podcast.

19:19 Speaker 3: I want to make sure I get it right. When

19:22 Speaker 3: when when we did? Uh yeah?

19:23 Speaker 1: This past Sunday on the newest edition of Tough Bumps,

19:26 Speaker 1: it was a history of ae W and Eric and

19:28 Speaker 1: I talked a lot about how the worst thing that

19:32 Speaker 1: happened to ae W was and Eric and I disagree

19:35 Speaker 1: on a lot of things, but on this I think

19:37 Speaker 1: we agreed is that when when Vince ended up having

19:41 Speaker 1: to permanently leave WWE because with Triple H in charge

19:46 Speaker 1: of creative because the whole reason that ae W was

19:49 Speaker 1: so successful in the beginning and to a large extent

19:52 Speaker 1: still is I mean, doing thirty thousand people in a

19:56 Speaker 1: stadium in Texas is pretty impressive.

19:58 Speaker 3: But the reason they.

20:00 Speaker 1: Were so successful initially was because they were offering an

20:02 Speaker 1: alternative to what had become very very stale, a very

20:05 Speaker 1: stale product under Vince. I was saying to Eric, you know,

20:09 Speaker 1: for years, I didn't even sit down. I wouldn't even

20:12 Speaker 1: sit down and sit through an episode of Raw or SmackDown.

20:14 Speaker 1: I would just go on YouTube and find find out

20:17 Speaker 1: whatever happened and just watch whatever clips looked interesting to me.

20:20 Speaker 1: And that was it. So I never fully disengaged from

20:23 Speaker 1: the product. But so, you know, so AW was filling

20:26 Speaker 1: that void, and then of course Triple H, who I

20:29 Speaker 1: wasn't surprised because I was watching NXT because when Triple

20:33 Speaker 1: H was in charge of NXT, NXC was phenomenal. And uh,

20:37 Speaker 1: you know, so when Triple h got to take over

20:39 Speaker 1: full creative on the full roster, on the main roster.

20:43 Speaker 1: You know, that was all of a sudden AEW. It's

20:46 Speaker 1: kind of like, don't really need it after all now

20:48 Speaker 1: that WWE is running on all cylinders again for the

20:51 Speaker 1: first time in a long time. But that's but I

20:55 Speaker 1: do think that AEW is a net positive for the business.

20:58 Speaker 1: I think that the business always thrives when you have

21:01 Speaker 1: competitive forces within it. The more promotions that are successful,

21:05 Speaker 1: the better, because a high tide raises all ships interests

21:08 Speaker 1: in wrestling. You know, it's it's so strong right now.

21:11 Speaker 1: Even TNA Jenny and I were watching a little bit

21:14 Speaker 1: of Slammiversary. They were that was their biggest North American

21:17 Speaker 1: crowd for Slamiversary, almost eight thousand people. I think their

21:22 Speaker 1: partnership with WWE helps drive that. But I do think

21:25 Speaker 1: AEW holds an important place in the market, and I

21:28 Speaker 1: think there I think it's a net positive that they're around.

21:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's definitely going to be a net positive

21:35 Speaker 2: for AW no matter what, because it's an alternative and

21:38 Speaker 2: when you can go ahead and finally get your creative

21:41 Speaker 2: brains intact and actually bump heads literally sometimes and you

21:47 Speaker 2: go ahead and get Edge and Christian back together. That's

21:50 Speaker 2: going to generate some interest, like, hmmm, how does this

21:54 Speaker 2: Rated R superstar Adam Copeland going to do with Christian

21:58 Speaker 2: Cage now that they're reunited. Interesting storyline. It drove me

22:05 Speaker 2: interest in ae W because I want to see what

22:09 Speaker 2: these two are gonna go at. Right, And that was

22:11 Speaker 2: the first time I heard of Spike apparently with that

22:14 Speaker 2: bat just oh gruesome. Yeah, anyway, I don't like that.

22:19 Speaker 2: I'm like, I'm like, you know what, Let's see what happens.

22:23 Speaker 2: Let's see where they go from here, because they're taking

22:26 Speaker 2: a definite tag team, a formidable tag team, hall of

22:31 Speaker 2: Fame tag team, and they're bringing it to their forefront.

22:36 Speaker 2: Now let's see how they do.

22:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think, Uh so, we don't. We don't

22:42 Speaker 1: watch much a w uh. Basically, if there's a you know,

22:45 Speaker 1: if they have a big event or something, there's a

22:47 Speaker 1: website Toki video dot Com that posts, uh the individual

22:51 Speaker 1: matches from their pay per views, you know, usually a

22:53 Speaker 1: week or two after they happened.

22:55 Speaker 3: But but yeah, I think I think, you know, are

22:57 Speaker 3: they not?

22:58 Speaker 2: Are they not? Are they not stream on Max? They're

23:01 Speaker 2: they're paid per views? I know they're streaming like dynamite

23:04 Speaker 2: in Oh yeah, Max Max.

23:07 Speaker 3: Yeah, we have Max Max.

23:08 Speaker 1: We've we've actually watched one of the shows on Max.

23:11 Speaker 1: We've never watched any of their p L E s

23:13 Speaker 1: on Max.

23:13 Speaker 3: But I think you're right.

23:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, with all the streaming services, it gets confusing. It's

23:17 Speaker 1: hard to keep up with it all.

23:19 Speaker 3: I'm ready to dump some. But but part of part

23:24 Speaker 3: of why.

23:25 Speaker 2: It's amazing Max, it's it's it's amazing. Mat the chord. Yeah,

23:33 Speaker 2: cut the cord, everybody, cut the streaming. You're spending more

23:37 Speaker 2: now on streaming than you did. I'm not.

23:39 Speaker 4: I'm actually not spending more on streaming than I was

23:41 Speaker 4: paying the cable because it was ridiculously expensive.

23:45 Speaker 2: A lot of people are, a lot of people are

23:48 Speaker 2: though cable.

23:49 Speaker 3: Cable is far from dead, that's for sure. Yeah, I Uh.

23:55 Speaker 1: Part of why we were having that conversation on Tough

23:57 Speaker 1: Bumps was Eric is. Eric is much more negative on

24:00 Speaker 1: ae W than I am. Like I said, I think,

24:04 Speaker 1: I think Uh, I think Cody Rhads his return to

24:09 Speaker 1: w WE UH would not have been nearly as important

24:13 Speaker 1: and as big a deal had it not been for

24:15 Speaker 1: ae W, even CM Punk. You know, I mean, it

24:19 Speaker 1: still would have been a big deal him returning to WWE,

24:23 Speaker 1: his surprise appearance at Survivor Series UH when he returned.

24:26 Speaker 1: But again, had it had it not been for his UH,

24:30 Speaker 1: had it not been for ae W getting him back

24:33 Speaker 1: into the game first, I don't think it would have

24:34 Speaker 1: meant as much. You know, I think ae W. I

24:37 Speaker 1: think a W has directly benefited WWE in some ways.

24:40 Speaker 3: I really do.

24:43 Speaker 2: I agree, and then I disagree because Cody Rhoades developed

24:48 Speaker 2: himself in the Indies before AW even took place.

24:51 Speaker 3: That was Eric sent.

24:54 Speaker 2: That the American Nightmare persona theme song and everything was

24:59 Speaker 2: before a W. So he actually went ahead and created

25:02 Speaker 2: himself before then he was able to make a stage

25:06 Speaker 2: on AW. So I agreed to that point. I agreed

25:09 Speaker 2: to that point that Cody went ahead and turned some

25:12 Speaker 2: heads like, Wow, this guy can actually perform. You don't

25:15 Speaker 2: have to put him in a goofy gold out and

25:17 Speaker 2: called Stardust. That's great. See them punk on the other hand,

25:21 Speaker 2: see him punk. On the other hand, he had to

25:24 Speaker 2: try another promotion because of his experience with w W E,

25:28 Speaker 2: his negative experience with w W and at the time

25:32 Speaker 2: he went to AW vincents Stone charge anyway, So why

25:36 Speaker 2: would he go back to a toxic relationship with that,

25:39 Speaker 2: right And of course, if you haven't seen Unreal, we

25:44 Speaker 2: watched you to know that. Yeah, it's it's that. That's

25:47 Speaker 2: freaking great, it really is. But that right there not

25:52 Speaker 2: even unreal, just just a hole behind the scenes of

25:55 Speaker 2: how CM punk got back. It was the last minute deal.

25:58 Speaker 2: This thing wasn't like etchton Stone. Before Survivor series hit,

26:02 Speaker 2: nobody knew except three people, and.

26:04 Speaker 3: One of them was Aja.

26:06 Speaker 2: So he did he and he was hidden behind everything.

26:09 Speaker 2: He got into Gorilla Formation and like, wow, Sam Punk

26:12 Speaker 2: is here. Yep, yeah, it's just he literally signed that

26:16 Speaker 2: contract like ten minutes before.

26:18 Speaker 3: Oh yeah.

26:19 Speaker 2: So there was a coming to Jesus moment with Triple

26:23 Speaker 2: H saying, listen, we know we messed up. We know

26:26 Speaker 2: this hap happened. We know that happened. This is how

26:30 Speaker 2: it is now. We know there's a lot of wrongs

26:33 Speaker 2: that have been righted and and this is this is

26:35 Speaker 2: what we can offer you. And I think Sampunk came back,

26:37 Speaker 2: but I think he had to try another promotion to

26:42 Speaker 2: see what exactly what it's like outside of w WE.

26:46 Speaker 2: Before he came back.

26:48 Speaker 3: Right right.

26:49 Speaker 1: I also have a theory you know that you know

26:52 Speaker 1: that show that cmpunk showed up at, this was when

26:55 Speaker 1: he was on the outs with AW. He was still

26:57 Speaker 1: under contract, but he out with his with his injury.

27:02 Speaker 1: Poor guy, He's had a lot of injuries. But so

27:04 Speaker 1: he was he was away from the promotion and and

27:07 Speaker 1: of course it was an ongoing story that he was

27:09 Speaker 1: at odds with some of the people there and like

27:12 Speaker 1: Jack Perry, and his relationship with Tony Cohn was pretty strained.

27:15 Speaker 1: And then there was that WWE show that he showed

27:17 Speaker 1: up at just to say hi to some people backstage,

27:21 Speaker 1: and ye and and Vince got went and Vince got

27:24 Speaker 1: wind of it and kicked him out. And and by

27:27 Speaker 1: the way, Vin Vince I think was probably right to

27:29 Speaker 1: do that because Vince does not want to be sued

27:31 Speaker 1: for contract hampering, you know, because if he's aware of

27:34 Speaker 1: the situation, he knows, assuming he was aware, he knew

27:37 Speaker 1: that cm punk was still under contract with AEW but

27:40 Speaker 1: having problems. So it's not necessarily a great look that,

27:43 Speaker 1: you know, while still under contract with AW, cmpunk has

27:46 Speaker 1: just showing up at a show.

27:47 Speaker 3: But that night, apparently.

27:49 Speaker 1: Before before Vince gave word that, No, you got to

27:53 Speaker 1: get him out of here. We can't have him in

27:55 Speaker 1: the building. Kick him out. He did have a brief

27:58 Speaker 1: interaction with Triple A. I just wonder how that interaction

28:03 Speaker 1: went because I have this I have a theory. It's

28:07 Speaker 1: just a theory. I you know, can't base it on anything,

28:09 Speaker 1: But is it possible that part of that introduction Apparently

28:12 Speaker 1: it was very very brief, just kind of saying hello

28:14 Speaker 1: to each other. But I wonder if Punk said something like, uh,

28:19 Speaker 1: you know, to Triple H, hey, you know, someday, when

28:22 Speaker 1: I'm not under contract somewhere else, I might like to

28:25 Speaker 1: come back here, you know, just kind of throwing that

28:27 Speaker 1: out there in Triple H may have said something like, hey,

28:30 Speaker 1: you know, if you weren't under contract, we'd love to

28:32 Speaker 1: have you back. Who knows what the future, you know,

28:34 Speaker 1: just something, just a brief interaction like that, and they'll

28:38 Speaker 1: know and if that conversation did take place, they'll never

28:40 Speaker 1: admit it. But I just know, but I can't help.

28:44 Speaker 1: But wonder if it did.

28:45 Speaker 2: You know, I have my own theory and it's it's

28:51 Speaker 2: it's definitely not Rustling related. So my theory is damn

28:55 Speaker 2: Punk works up to triple h and it's like, hey,

28:58 Speaker 2: how are you and Stephanie doing? Yeah, yeah, we're doing great.

29:01 Speaker 2: I mean you're doing great. You won't get together and have.

29:04 Speaker 3: A foursome, really that's your theory?

29:10 Speaker 1: And yeah, so well, Charles, I mean you're definitely thinking

29:16 Speaker 1: outside the box, because I can honestly tell you with

29:18 Speaker 1: with all the sincerity, that never occurred to me.

29:24 Speaker 2: I'm sure.

29:31 Speaker 3: Yeah. So, uh, what do you watch any a W

29:35 Speaker 3: now or do you only watch.

29:36 Speaker 2: W W E? It's it's mainly w W E. But

29:40 Speaker 2: you know, I kind of keep tabs on stuff with

29:43 Speaker 2: a W like I you know, I wouldn't have known

29:45 Speaker 2: about edging Christian. I knew they were feuding with with

29:48 Speaker 2: with each other. I think, yeah there was one time

29:51 Speaker 2: Christian hug Edge and told them you know, oh yeah yeah,

29:54 Speaker 2: and that's okay, wow, yeah. But you know, I I

30:00 Speaker 2: kind of keep tabs, like, you know, apparently they got

30:03 Speaker 2: something going now, which okay, maybe I might tune in

30:06 Speaker 2: to see what's going on if they're advertised and see

30:10 Speaker 2: what's doing, but I'm primarily WW.

30:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'll watch any Will Osprey match and he of course,

30:17 Speaker 1: you know an AEW and you know a big fan

30:19 Speaker 1: of MJF. Haven't kept up, haven't kept up with what

30:22 Speaker 1: they've been doing. But boy, there's so much. There's just

30:25 Speaker 1: so much content now, I mean, and WWE is pumping

30:28 Speaker 1: out more content than ever.

30:31 Speaker 2: Is MJF like part of the Hurt syndicate now with

30:35 Speaker 2: lash Lee and the MVP.

30:37 Speaker 1: From what I saw online, he was, but now he's out.

30:40 Speaker 1: They kicked him out or something, so I don't know,

30:43 Speaker 1: I haven't, but that's you know, it's hard though. See,

30:47 Speaker 1: that's the other thing with AEW. And this is something

30:49 Speaker 1: where I think Tony Kahn probably has something in common

30:51 Speaker 1: with Vince McMahon that wanting to have full control over

30:55 Speaker 1: creative to the point where you know nothing's being.

30:58 Speaker 3: Delegated or if it is being well.

31:00 Speaker 1: Obviously in WW, Evans was delegating because he had a

31:02 Speaker 1: full writing team, but then you know he'd end up

31:04 Speaker 1: tearing up the script and rewriting it himself anyway, And

31:07 Speaker 1: I think that you know, what AEW needs, what Tony

31:10 Speaker 1: Kahan needs is somebody or a team of people who

31:12 Speaker 1: can do what Triple H has done, recommit to long

31:15 Speaker 1: term logical storytelling where you can get really invested in

31:19 Speaker 1: these characters, because that's the most important thing. That's what

31:21 Speaker 1: makes w WE, in my opinion, so successful. Now I've

31:26 Speaker 1: argued to Eric that to me, wrestling is better than

31:29 Speaker 1: it's ever been because there's more, there's more of a

31:33 Speaker 1: focus on long term storytelling. There's surprises, but everything is logical,

31:37 Speaker 1: but also character development. I can't remember ever, and I've

31:40 Speaker 1: been watching since I was a kid, I can't remember

31:41 Speaker 1: ever a time when there was as much character development

31:44 Speaker 1: as we see now and a willingness to make these

31:46 Speaker 1: characters complex and you know they've got levels to them.

31:50 Speaker 1: That's why now you'll see babyfaces fighting with other babyfaces

31:54 Speaker 1: that used to be never a thing, but now you

31:56 Speaker 1: know you can have that, or heels fighting with other

31:59 Speaker 1: heels because the audience has been conditioned to accept these

32:02 Speaker 1: are complex characters and not everything is black and white,

32:05 Speaker 1: and people who are you know, good guys can actually

32:08 Speaker 1: fight with other good guys, and bad guys can actually

32:10 Speaker 1: fight with other bad guys because you know sometimes in

32:14 Speaker 1: real life that happens, right, So I think ae w

32:18 Speaker 1: if Tony Kahn would just allow somebody who really has

32:22 Speaker 1: a good creative mind, who can do what Triple H

32:24 Speaker 1: has done, come into aew and recommit to long term storytelling.

32:28 Speaker 1: I think they'd be a lot more successful. And they're

32:30 Speaker 1: already pretty successful, let's be honest, but I think they'd

32:33 Speaker 1: be a lot more successful.

32:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, they still have a long way to go. They're

32:37 Speaker 2: still in the baby, the d infant stages, maybe even

32:39 Speaker 2: the Toddless stages, but definitely, definitely. I do have a

32:44 Speaker 2: couple of questions because I know we're running out of

32:46 Speaker 2: time here, so I want to I have a couple

32:48 Speaker 2: of questions. Number one, and please assume that I have

32:51 Speaker 2: not heard this on Tough Bumps. Okay, but tell me

32:55 Speaker 2: what was your reaction to Hogan's death?

32:58 Speaker 1: So we tried on Tough Bumps, we tried to present

33:01 Speaker 1: kind of a measured, fair assessment. I mean, I can

33:06 Speaker 1: tell you my personal reaction. When I saw the news

33:08 Speaker 1: alert on my phone. I was kind of numb. It

33:10 Speaker 1: was like wow, you know because, on one hand, a

33:14 Speaker 1: huge part of my childhood and obviously Hogan a huge

33:17 Speaker 1: part of professional wrestling, something that I'm passionate about. So

33:23 Speaker 1: it was like, wow, it's kind of stunning, but it's

33:26 Speaker 1: also hard to get past because I don't think he

33:30 Speaker 1: ever effectively dealt with it. You know, his racist comments

33:34 Speaker 1: that were recorded during that encounter with Bubba the love

33:37 Speaker 1: Sponges wife, which is still even weird to say, but

33:42 Speaker 1: you know, the just objectively extraordinarily racist, shockingly racist things

33:48 Speaker 1: that he said during that conversation that was recorded, which yeah,

33:51 Speaker 1: he did the whole apology tour and everything, but he

33:54 Speaker 1: never really dealt with the central His comments were very

33:58 Speaker 1: specific and he never dealt with specifically what he was

34:04 Speaker 1: wrestling with no pun intended when expressing himself during that conversation.

34:09 Speaker 1: He never dealt with that specifically, at least not publicly,

34:13 Speaker 1: and a lot of people felt like his apologies were

34:16 Speaker 1: half hearted and insufficient, and he never fully recovered from that, obviously.

34:21 Speaker 3: So we tried to so we tried to be very

34:23 Speaker 3: fair about it.

34:25 Speaker 2: And to be honest with you, he was apparently in

34:31 Speaker 2: his private life a very manipulative person. Because Brooke Hogan,

34:35 Speaker 2: his daughter, called in on Bubba and they haven't spoken

34:40 Speaker 2: in years because of the fallout between Hogan and Bubba. Yeah,

34:44 Speaker 2: and Brooke even said that, hey, my dad told me

34:48 Speaker 2: about the tape and he knew you didn't have anything

34:51 Speaker 2: to do with it. Even though Bubba lost his home,

34:54 Speaker 2: he got fired everything that laid down. Hogan never came

34:58 Speaker 2: to his defense, even though he admitted to Brook that, yeah,

35:02 Speaker 2: I know, Bubba had nothing to do with it, right,

35:05 Speaker 2: So just on that alone, I think he was not

35:11 Speaker 2: a good human being. Let's put it that way. Now.

35:13 Speaker 2: Is that Is that justified to say, like, well, thank

35:15 Speaker 2: god he's dead. No, of course not. I mean I

35:17 Speaker 2: think the way he there's actually a criminal investigation going

35:21 Speaker 2: on the that he may have been murdered.

35:24 Speaker 3: Jenny and I were talking about that earlier.

35:26 Speaker 1: Not murdered, there may have been medical malpractice, medical malpractice.

35:30 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, okay, okay, yeah, question during a surgery.

35:37 Speaker 4: He had a surgery apparently recently, and there's question as

35:40 Speaker 4: to whether or not his frontic nerve was damaged or

35:43 Speaker 4: severed and restitched or something. And he also had a

35:46 Speaker 4: feb so I guess the combo wasn't too good and

35:49 Speaker 4: they think that might have actually been what caused his death,

35:53 Speaker 4: in which case it would be a medical practice.

35:56 Speaker 2: Okay, I know that there was a police investigation going on.

36:02 Speaker 2: I think it's still going on.

36:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's still going on. It's still going on. Yeah, Yeah,

36:08 Speaker 4: could be wrongful death, who knows.

36:12 Speaker 2: Another question Matt, how do you feel of Sina's so

36:16 Speaker 2: called heel turn, oh versus face turn? It was that

36:21 Speaker 2: a flop? Or is that you think was successful?

36:24 Speaker 1: I so, I'm I'm I know, I'm very much in

36:28 Speaker 1: the minority when I say this. I loved, first of all,

36:32 Speaker 1: the heel turn itself was amazing, and I think most

36:34 Speaker 1: people would agree on that. The actual heel turn itself

36:36 Speaker 1: was fantastic. It was so so, so well done. The

36:41 Speaker 1: subsequent him as a heel, the heel version of John Cena. Again,

36:45 Speaker 1: I know, I'm in the minority. I was really enjoying it.

36:48 Speaker 1: I understand why people didn't like that he I think

36:51 Speaker 1: people a lot of people wanted him to be more

36:53 Speaker 1: overtly evil and whatnot, where he actually underplayed it. But

36:58 Speaker 1: I liked it. I thought it was cool. I thought

37:01 Speaker 1: it was very intriguing. I really enjoyed it, and I

37:04 Speaker 1: thought the face turned back seemed a little rushed.

37:06 Speaker 2: What were you gonna.

37:07 Speaker 3: Say wrestling thing? Oh? Yeah, that was so funny. Yeah,

37:10 Speaker 3: when he's like, I'm going to ruin wrestling.

37:12 Speaker 2: I loved that.

37:13 Speaker 3: I loved that too.

37:14 Speaker 1: I thought it was cool. I really enjoyed heel John Cena.

37:17 Speaker 1: What did you think.

37:19 Speaker 2: I I enjoyed it. I really enjoyed his promos, but

37:23 Speaker 2: it started to get a little repetitive, like he didn't

37:28 Speaker 2: have anything new coming out. It's just kept saying the

37:31 Speaker 2: same thing over and over again.

37:33 Speaker 3: It's just that is true.

37:34 Speaker 2: It kind of got repetitive. So I think when Cody

37:37 Speaker 2: finally because you're right, it did feel rushed a little bit,

37:41 Speaker 2: but you saw bits and pieces of good scene it

37:45 Speaker 2: coming out the past few weeks before that, and I

37:49 Speaker 2: think I think they were trying to lead up to it,

37:51 Speaker 2: but obviously they wanted to take the belt off him

37:53 Speaker 2: and put on Cody. So, uh, mister Lesnar can go

37:56 Speaker 2: ahead and a big introduction.

37:58 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, what do you think about that one

38:04 Speaker 4: coming back?

38:04 Speaker 3: What do you think about Lesner coming back?

38:07 Speaker 2: I love it? You love it? I know, I know.

38:10 Speaker 2: It was basically it was basically John's wish to go

38:13 Speaker 2: ahead and wrestle Leslo. That's why he's back. It's it

38:16 Speaker 2: has nothing to do with well, he's gonna draw big

38:18 Speaker 2: money and no, no, he'll he'll draw big money. But

38:21 Speaker 2: that was a request from Sina. Sina wants to get

38:24 Speaker 2: all of his his adversaries. Yes, it was reported Sina

38:30 Speaker 2: requested Lesna. Yeah, so he wants to fight Leslo one more. Yeah.

38:34 Speaker 2: So this retirement tour is basically to get all If

38:39 Speaker 2: you ever seen Rocky five, where it's like, listen, I

38:41 Speaker 2: gotta get the beast out of me. I I can't

38:43 Speaker 2: hold on. He's trying to get the beast out of

38:45 Speaker 2: literally in this case, he's trying to get the beast.

38:49 Speaker 3: Yeah.

38:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, but yeah, he's going to take care of everybody

38:52 Speaker 2: that he needs one more time.

38:53 Speaker 3: Yeah. Oh yeah, yeah, no that makes sense.

38:55 Speaker 2: Which I don't agree. I don't. I don't agree with

38:58 Speaker 2: Logan Paul. Why would he be on that list? I

39:01 Speaker 2: don't understand that that storyline one one bit.

39:04 Speaker 1: Yeah, Charles, we are approaching the top of the hour,

39:07 Speaker 1: so we got to begin to wrap up. The time

39:09 Speaker 1: goes so quickly. But we should definitely do this more often,

39:12 Speaker 1: my friend, because I always enjoy having you on and

39:16 Speaker 1: you know, and anytime you want me to be on

39:18 Speaker 1: your show, I'd love to do that as well. But

39:21 Speaker 1: I do want to make sure, so where should people

39:23 Speaker 1: go to find not only your show but also the

39:25 Speaker 1: show that you do with Josh Zodiac. I want to

39:27 Speaker 1: make sure everyone knows where to go to find your content.

39:31 Speaker 2: So my show search the Charles Richardson Show on Facebook

39:37 Speaker 2: like my page. All my shows go live on that

39:41 Speaker 2: on that page from eight to ten pm Monday Wednesday.

39:45 Speaker 2: Hopefully both and any interaction or possible topics I may

39:50 Speaker 2: be talking about will be listed there as well. I

39:53 Speaker 2: used as my reference set Okay YouTube same thing search

39:57 Speaker 2: search the Charles Richardson Show. I have a channel with

40:01 Speaker 2: so many subscribers, kidding, but so many subscribers that you

40:05 Speaker 2: can go ahead and do. It's free for now, but

40:07 Speaker 2: after that it's gonna be twenty nine ninety five. I'm

40:09 Speaker 2: watching my own app with competing against the ESPN the

40:15 Speaker 2: Josh Zodiac podcast. Same thing, Josh Zodiac podcast on all

40:19 Speaker 2: social media. He is available on podcast on the podcast

40:23 Speaker 2: on iHeartRadio, Apple podcasts, anywhere podcasts are done. You can

40:29 Speaker 2: search that right there and boom it pops up.

40:33 Speaker 1: Fantastic, fantastic, Well, Charles, thank you so much, my friend.

40:36 Speaker 1: Like I said, we must do this more often, and

40:39 Speaker 1: I really appreciate you. Appreciate you joining us today, and

40:41 Speaker 1: we'll talk again soon, I'm sure,