Matt Connarton Unleashed 8-30-25 hour 3

0:00 Speaker 1: W MNH will rip the nobles.

0:04 Speaker 2: When Matts wakes up in the morning, he gets into

0:07 Speaker 2: the shower and to the top of his lungs.

0:10 Speaker 3: He sings.

0:13 Speaker 4: Man the rain wind because I can't.

0:19 Speaker 5: All right, I'm back doing a radio show.

0:21 Speaker 4: Now, all the best and cherry.

0:41 Speaker 2: I've been enough, Daves, Mine's amazing ablaze. I've been catching

0:45 Speaker 2: figus since before the twelfth grade. I had this design,

0:48 Speaker 2: but couldn't get out of my way. Now I'm double

0:50 Speaker 2: the age, still rewinding the days. Can't believe what all

0:53 Speaker 2: love done. I'm still looking back big cleaning up, but

0:56 Speaker 2: still remember the cooking crack. The strength I had for

0:58 Speaker 2: the needle never quite took it back. Some days I

1:01 Speaker 2: still find that I'm quite shook. In fact, the light

1:04 Speaker 2: keeps going out. Maybe that's a sign for me. I

1:06 Speaker 2: have accepted that one day will be time for me

1:09 Speaker 2: someone's revenge. I suppose that it's fine with me. Nothing

1:12 Speaker 2: in life often happened when the timeins sweet. All I

1:14 Speaker 2: can do work to build a good Now when then

1:17 Speaker 2: staking the sunder makeup for days of shrouded in dens.

1:20 Speaker 2: I am the howling man standing upon the howland winds.

1:22 Speaker 2: Night of the hunted the preacher upon the prowl again.

1:25 Speaker 2: Not perfect, not even close.

1:27 Speaker 4: To all right.

1:28 Speaker 5: Can't remember the last time I slept all night.

1:31 Speaker 1: W open, but I need another hour. I just fell asleep.

1:34 Speaker 5: Off any time for the shower. No sugar added, no

1:37 Speaker 5: sugar added. I just need water.

1:40 Speaker 2: Mentally I can padded, no sugar added, no sugar added.

1:44 Speaker 2: Somewhere between be get happy and mad apocalypse, now anxiety

1:48 Speaker 2: and alarms again.

1:50 Speaker 5: Hope my horrible ways could never harm a friend.

1:52 Speaker 2: Some men crossed me again. I saw him again. Even

1:55 Speaker 2: a heathen nor demon can fall from a sin Who

1:58 Speaker 2: called it again?

1:59 Speaker 1: I'm not offred to them?

2:01 Speaker 5: Drownding in my own flood, I hardly can swim. Then

2:04 Speaker 5: I stopped too late.

2:05 Speaker 2: How could I be so selfish? Do the superdice things?

2:07 Speaker 2: But know that I'm not helpless? Bad pattering habits I

2:10 Speaker 2: need to learn to break. I'm mad scattered this matter.

2:13 Speaker 2: If I need to learn to shake, we'ld extinguish every light,

2:16 Speaker 2: the match to burn the lake. Every roll of the

2:18 Speaker 2: dice is the one determined fate. Slipping into the void

2:21 Speaker 2: for just a few hours to do within my vest

2:23 Speaker 2: and not flip. I got no new flower, my dreamscape

2:26 Speaker 2: is a place that I do scalur in search events

2:29 Speaker 2: is like how I could better use power? Not perfect,

2:32 Speaker 2: not even close to all right, can't remember the last

2:35 Speaker 2: time I slept all night. Eyes why I'm open, but

2:37 Speaker 2: I need another hour. I just fell asleep off any

2:40 Speaker 2: time for the shower. No sugar added, no sugar added.

2:44 Speaker 2: I just need water.

2:45 Speaker 1: Mentally, I can.

2:46 Speaker 5: Padded, no sugar added, no sugar added. Somewhere between being

2:51 Speaker 5: happy and maddened.

3:01 Speaker 4: I love it. That is Cody Pope and Byron g

3:03 Speaker 4: No sugar added from the album Giant Steps in Gates City.

3:08 Speaker 4: And we have Cody Pope here with us in studio.

3:10 Speaker 4: We're gonna speak with him in just a moment. But

3:12 Speaker 4: welcome everybody, if you are listening live on Saturday. We

3:15 Speaker 4: have entered our number three New Marrow trace of Matt

3:18 Speaker 4: Connerton Unleashed. We are live from the studios of wm

3:22 Speaker 4: n H ninety five point three FM and Glorious Manchester,

3:25 Speaker 4: New Hampshire. Jenny is here, of course, at the news table,

3:29 Speaker 4: and it is a Saturday, August thirtieth, and I hear

3:32 Speaker 4: the doorbell. Oh my goodness, are we expecting company. Jenny

3:37 Speaker 4: is going to uh well, that's very strange. Let me

3:39 Speaker 4: get this mic on here. Oh, actually we switch to

3:43 Speaker 4: to the other mic. There we go.

3:44 Speaker 2: Cody Pope is here.

3:45 Speaker 4: Hi Cody, good morning. Well everybody, welcome back. Yes, I

3:48 Speaker 4: don't know why the doorbell is ringing up. It's occasionally.

3:54 Speaker 4: I don't know. If you know this, we've probably told

3:56 Speaker 4: you this. You probably know this used to be a

3:57 Speaker 4: bus station. Yeah, and occasionally people will come here trying

4:02 Speaker 4: to buy bus tickets, because I think if you look

4:04 Speaker 4: it up on Google, it still shows this is a

4:06 Speaker 4: location where you can purchase bus tickets in Manchester.

4:09 Speaker 2: It's funny that all the big signage outside that says

4:12 Speaker 2: like radio and TV doesn't sway them away.

4:16 Speaker 4: And they're literally I told someone this once and I

4:19 Speaker 4: think they thought I was kidding. There's actually a sign.

4:21 Speaker 4: I don't know if you've seen the sign on the

4:23 Speaker 4: building that actually says we do not sell bus tickets here.

4:26 Speaker 2: No, that's so good.

4:27 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's on the building. I don't think people notice it,

4:30 Speaker 4: as evidenced by the fact that people still come here

4:32 Speaker 4: to buy bus tickets. But yeah, there's a sign on

4:34 Speaker 4: the building that says we do not sell bus tickets here.

4:36 Speaker 2: That's like wild.

4:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, pretty crazy. But uh no, I love that

4:40 Speaker 4: track now that Giant Steps in Gate City. That was

4:43 Speaker 4: out the last time you were here, right.

4:45 Speaker 2: So I think we were here before. I think we

4:47 Speaker 2: might have been here before it came out, right, but

4:50 Speaker 2: we were like in the run of getting ready for

4:52 Speaker 2: that to come out.

4:53 Speaker 4: That's right, that's right, Yes, Okay, I recall now and

4:57 Speaker 4: you're still now you're you're working with Byron. G's still right,

5:01 Speaker 4: but he's got something else he's doing as well. Yeah,

5:05 Speaker 4: so you guys are kind of working separately but still

5:08 Speaker 4: still together with Hellhound Publishing. Correct.

5:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, so Hellhound is still running full steam. Byron and

5:15 Speaker 2: I have a bunch of music in the vault, I

5:18 Speaker 2: want to say a little earlier this year. Anybody that's

5:22 Speaker 2: like been to any of our shows, obviously you know Byron,

5:25 Speaker 2: but you also know Patrick. Patrick was our live sound

5:28 Speaker 2: engineer for a number of years. The two of them

5:31 Speaker 2: have actually started a new company called six ZHO three

5:34 Speaker 2: Beat Collaborative, Okay, and they do live audio, They do engineering, podcasting,

5:40 Speaker 2: stuff for big corporate events, all sorts of stuff like that.

5:44 Speaker 2: So they've just been killing it and doing a lot

5:48 Speaker 2: of the like initial groundwork of getting that all up

5:51 Speaker 2: and running. And so while they were doing that, I

5:54 Speaker 2: just figured I should keep keep the bus moving, keep

5:58 Speaker 2: the hell hound thing going.

5:59 Speaker 4: Yep.

5:59 Speaker 2: They you know, they have families and kids and things

6:02 Speaker 2: that occupy a lot of time. I have the I

6:05 Speaker 2: have the position in life to be a rapper with

6:08 Speaker 2: a cat and a fiance, so it affords me a

6:11 Speaker 2: little more flexibility. And so I'm just taking the torch

6:14 Speaker 2: and running with it and uh trying to keep things

6:17 Speaker 2: moving until uh, you know, until everything settles down.

6:20 Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't have any kids, No, isn't it nice?

6:23 Speaker 4: I'm also childless.

6:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it is. It is a very fortunate position.

6:29 Speaker 4: Absolutely. I mean, don't get me wrong. People with children

6:31 Speaker 4: always look really happy and everything.

6:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's the thing is like, but I imagine that,

6:39 Speaker 2: like parenting could be cool. Like I'm sure there's people.

6:42 Speaker 4: Who like, yeah, Jenny has a son.

6:45 Speaker 2: Yeah. So the thing is, like, parenting is cool as

6:48 Speaker 2: you want to be as a parent. And for me,

6:51 Speaker 2: I'm just too selfish, yeah, and too caught up on

6:56 Speaker 2: this whole creative endeavor in life.

6:59 Speaker 4: That's always been my thing too. To have that degree

7:01 Speaker 4: of responsibility for another human being. I don't even know

7:04 Speaker 4: how anyone affords it.

7:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly now, especially nowadays. Yeah yeah, things have tripled,

7:09 Speaker 2: are almost quadrupled in price in my adult life.

7:12 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh absolutely absolutely. Uh Jenny, my curiosity is

7:16 Speaker 4: killing me. Uh why was the doorbell ringing? Somebody looking

7:20 Speaker 4: for a bus?

7:21 Speaker 2: Real? That is?

7:23 Speaker 4: That is what it was? Yeah, yes, it was.

7:24 Speaker 3: Somebody looking for a bus to Boston. I did my

7:27 Speaker 3: best to try and explain how to go to New London,

7:29 Speaker 3: North Londonderry to get a bus to Boston.

7:32 Speaker 4: Yes, because I don't know any other way.

7:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it's either that or Nashua. Yeah.

7:37 Speaker 3: Yeah, taken uber to North Londonerry. I'm so sorry, sweetie, there's.

7:41 Speaker 4: No bus here. Yeah. Oh that's funny. Wow all right, Yeah,

7:46 Speaker 4: I mean I said it half kidding, but apparently that

7:48 Speaker 4: is what it was. Well, very good, So.

7:53 Speaker 1: Why locked?

7:55 Speaker 4: Yeah I can understand that. Oh yeah, because I don't

7:58 Speaker 4: know says it online? Still does it? Well that's the

8:02 Speaker 4: thing I was I was telling Cody that if you

8:04 Speaker 4: look online, it still says you can get bus tickets here. Yeah.

8:08 Speaker 4: When we first when we first moved into this building,

8:11 Speaker 4: because you were at the Yeah, you were on the show.

8:13 Speaker 4: We were at the old the old Place. I know

8:15 Speaker 4: that at first, if they left the door unlocked during

8:18 Speaker 4: the morning show on weekdays, people would just wander into

8:21 Speaker 4: the building, you know, thinking they were gonna buy bus tickets.

8:23 Speaker 4: So I'm yeah, some stranger walking in now. So Giant

8:31 Speaker 4: Steps and Gate City. So this is this is your

8:34 Speaker 4: newest release.

8:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, and then that is the second full length but

8:39 Speaker 2: fifth project from Byron.

8:40 Speaker 4: And I Okay, okay, wow yeah, Now who who are

8:45 Speaker 4: you working with these days? Because I saw so you've

8:47 Speaker 4: got a band that you perform with sometimes.

8:49 Speaker 2: Now yeah, so back in So it's it's interesting how

8:53 Speaker 2: it all kind of came to be. But big shout

8:56 Speaker 2: out to DJ Myth and the Shaft Skiing. Oh yeah,

8:59 Speaker 2: DJ Myth, DJ Myth and Sean Caliber, great artist from

9:03 Speaker 2: around the Way too. The two of them do an

9:05 Speaker 2: event called sound Off Saturdays at the Shasking once in

9:09 Speaker 2: a while, I think it's like once a month and

9:11 Speaker 2: it's always a different theme. And so they had the

9:14 Speaker 2: theme of like rappers with a live band, and they had,

9:19 Speaker 2: if I understood correctly, they had two acts, but then

9:22 Speaker 2: one of them had to drop or maybe they just

9:24 Speaker 2: had the one act and they needed to fill up

9:27 Speaker 2: the other slot. So in me and Myth's like usual conversation,

9:32 Speaker 2: I just was like, look, I can't promise that I

9:34 Speaker 2: can pull this off, but if you really don't have anybody,

9:37 Speaker 2: I was like, I certainly know people in bands. I

9:39 Speaker 2: can try and pull this together for a show. And

9:44 Speaker 2: I did the Facebook solicitation thing. I had a really

9:47 Speaker 2: great drummer who I think you actually have met before.

9:50 Speaker 2: Big shout out to Axel from Dead Harris.

9:52 Speaker 4: Oh of course.

9:53 Speaker 2: So Axel hit me up, and then a childhood friend

9:57 Speaker 2: of mine hit me up as well, who played guitar,

10:00 Speaker 2: and we all met at a jam space in Nashua

10:04 Speaker 2: and Axel and I hit it off really well. The

10:07 Speaker 2: guitar player ended up having some family stuff and things

10:11 Speaker 2: that he had to deal with, so it just like

10:12 Speaker 2: wasn't a good time. Yeah, so he kind of stepped

10:15 Speaker 2: out of the picture quick, and so it was like

10:17 Speaker 2: Axel and I and we were kind of like, look,

10:20 Speaker 2: we just need to do this show. So even if

10:23 Speaker 2: it's just the two of us, like we can you

10:24 Speaker 2: could just drum over the music, We'll do the show

10:28 Speaker 2: to help them out. And I appreciate it. Yeah, A

10:32 Speaker 2: week before the show, maybe like a week and a half,

10:36 Speaker 2: a guitar player hit us up, who I don't know.

10:38 Speaker 2: Are you familiar with the band Volley?

10:40 Speaker 4: Yes, we've had the mine.

10:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, I love these guys, so shout out to them.

10:44 Speaker 2: Dane from Volley reached out and he was like, look,

10:47 Speaker 2: I'm going on vacation with my family this week. He's like,

10:50 Speaker 2: if you don't have anybody on I think it was

10:53 Speaker 2: the show was on the tenth, and I think he

10:54 Speaker 2: was coming back from his vacation on the third and

10:57 Speaker 2: he was like, look, if you don't have anybody by

10:59 Speaker 2: the third, and me the music and I will do

11:01 Speaker 2: my best to learn it. And I was like okay.

11:03 Speaker 2: So we got together that tuesday, I think it was

11:06 Speaker 2: like the fourth. We had one practice for a couple

11:09 Speaker 2: hours and just like worked out a set, went and

11:13 Speaker 2: did the show that night and absolutely like crushed and

11:17 Speaker 2: we had so much fun. The audience. It was like

11:21 Speaker 2: playing to all new people. It was a way different

11:23 Speaker 2: audience than I usually played too. Yeah, they were super receptive,

11:28 Speaker 2: We sounded great, we felt great. So like after the show,

11:32 Speaker 2: I was like, oh man, we did it. Like, thank

11:34 Speaker 2: you guys so much. And they were both like, well,

11:38 Speaker 2: we should just keep doing this? Yeah, and I was like,

11:41 Speaker 2: well what a dream, you know, Like I was just

11:43 Speaker 2: going to be happy if we did it for one show,

11:46 Speaker 2: and the fact that they wanted to keep up with it,

11:48 Speaker 2: I was so ecstatic. So now we've set so we

11:52 Speaker 2: have two shows in September now and we're currently on

11:57 Speaker 2: the search for a bassist and a keyboard player. Nice

12:00 Speaker 2: kind of fill things out, very cool. Yeah, Now, what's

12:03 Speaker 2: it called Cody Pope? And what Cody Pope and the

12:05 Speaker 2: Keyholders and the Keyholders? I like that.

12:07 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, that's very cool.

12:09 Speaker 2: So people that are that are into the Cody and

12:11 Speaker 2: Byron and stuff. We have a song from one of

12:14 Speaker 2: our projects called the Keyholder's Theme Song. Oh, and that

12:18 Speaker 2: kind of ties into us being from Nashua because Nashua

12:21 Speaker 2: is the gate city and oh that makes sense. Culturally.

12:26 Speaker 2: There's lots of talk now more than ever about gatekeeping

12:29 Speaker 2: and the idea of gatekeeping. And I'm not a huge

12:33 Speaker 2: fan of gatekeeping person Like, I understand it to a degree,

12:36 Speaker 2: but I also am kind of of the challenger of

12:40 Speaker 2: the ilk of like, look, I could give you all

12:42 Speaker 2: the resources that I have, but you're not gonna do

12:45 Speaker 2: what I do. Like, you know, it's like you can

12:47 Speaker 2: give two people a paintbrush and they're gonna make a

12:50 Speaker 2: different thing, right exactly. And so Keyholder just be kind

12:54 Speaker 2: of came this thing of like I'm happy to share

12:57 Speaker 2: my tools with the right people. Like if you if

13:00 Speaker 2: you're on this path for real and you really care

13:02 Speaker 2: about the craft and what you're doing, and I have

13:05 Speaker 2: some something that I can share with you, I'm happy

13:08 Speaker 2: to do that if it's for the right reason. Yeah,

13:10 Speaker 2: Like I'm not afraid of sharing game, but I do

13:13 Speaker 2: understand protecting the culture too, And so that's kind of

13:15 Speaker 2: where the idea of like the keyholders came from. It's

13:19 Speaker 2: just like we've kind of made our like we're a

13:21 Speaker 2: part of hip hop as a greater thing, but Hellhound

13:24 Speaker 2: is very much like its own kind of like community

13:27 Speaker 2: and subculture, and like we have a lot of people

13:30 Speaker 2: that come out specifically to our stuff and that specifically

13:34 Speaker 2: rock with us rather than like the greater culture the

13:37 Speaker 2: way we love it, right, And so we look at

13:41 Speaker 2: that as like something we've cultivated and something we have

13:43 Speaker 2: to protect too. We want to grow it and continue

13:46 Speaker 2: it to blossom, but we have to like protect the

13:50 Speaker 2: sanctity of these people that come and really appreciate this thing.

13:53 Speaker 2: You know, they come and they feel safe, they feel

13:56 Speaker 2: like they can express themselves, they can be vulnerable, they

13:59 Speaker 2: can cry and dance and laugh and have fun and whatever.

14:04 Speaker 2: And so it's like we want to make sure that

14:06 Speaker 2: that always stays a part of the ethos of what

14:09 Speaker 2: we do.

14:10 Speaker 4: Yeah. No, I think that makes sense and it's very positive.

14:12 Speaker 4: And how long is Hellhound existed? Now?

14:15 Speaker 2: So we started Hellhound in twenty I started Hellhound in

14:18 Speaker 2: twenty eighteen.

14:19 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, and then Byron became a part of it.

14:22 Speaker 2: In twenty twenty two.

14:24 Speaker 4: Twenty twenty two, okay, Yeah, so it did already existed

14:27 Speaker 4: for a while. Yeah.

14:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, So it was like a very interesting time period.

14:31 Speaker 2: So when we we had met, I think we talked

14:34 Speaker 2: about this before, but you were doing local outbreak at

14:38 Speaker 2: the I forget the name of the place, but it

14:40 Speaker 2: was like a vintage store in Laconia. Yeah, and that

14:43 Speaker 2: was the first time we had met, that's right. Yeah,

14:47 Speaker 2: that was around the time that I had just kind

14:49 Speaker 2: of started linking up with Bizza Took. I think Bizil

14:52 Speaker 2: was the one who introduced us, yep, and I had

14:55 Speaker 2: started a record label called Vatican Life back then, oh right, right,

14:59 Speaker 2: And the last record that I put out on Vatican

15:03 Speaker 2: Life was my album called Not Having a Good Day,

15:07 Speaker 2: which a lot of people that's kind of like the

15:09 Speaker 2: thing they know me for, but coincidentally, as well known

15:13 Speaker 2: as the song has become now. When the album came out,

15:17 Speaker 2: it didn't do very well in terms of like just

15:20 Speaker 2: selling the album, and then I did like a short

15:24 Speaker 2: tour to promote the album, and most of the shows

15:28 Speaker 2: on the tour did not go very well, just like

15:31 Speaker 2: low attended weak Night, kind of like didn't seem like

15:35 Speaker 2: people cared kind of thing. So I just became very disillusioned,

15:41 Speaker 2: and I was like, man, all the artists that I

15:45 Speaker 2: put out records for have like, I don't want to

15:48 Speaker 2: say fallen off, but kind of chosen to not pursue

15:52 Speaker 2: music anymore. And life dealt them other cards, and I

15:56 Speaker 2: was in this weird place where it was like, man,

15:58 Speaker 2: I had built up such momentum and somehow I'm looking

16:01 Speaker 2: at my last album thinking like, oh, I got covered

16:04 Speaker 2: in the Hippo, I had more people at the release show,

16:07 Speaker 2: I sold more CDs, Like what did I do wrong?

16:10 Speaker 2: I'm so proud of this album. I thought it was

16:12 Speaker 2: such a tremendous body of work. But I think I

16:16 Speaker 2: had just burnt myself out and I think that I was, yeah,

16:19 Speaker 2: you know, I just I was applying too much in

16:22 Speaker 2: the wrong places. I needed to step back and learn

16:26 Speaker 2: how to like do more for myself in like the

16:29 Speaker 2: creative sense, the marketing sense, like how to just be

16:32 Speaker 2: more self dependent. And one of the things that I

16:35 Speaker 2: had started kind of coming to grips with at that

16:38 Speaker 2: time was I don't know if I'm going to be

16:42 Speaker 2: able to do music forever.

16:43 Speaker 4: I want to.

16:44 Speaker 2: I hope that I always have the privilege of doing so,

16:48 Speaker 2: but I just you just never know. The culture could

16:51 Speaker 2: dictate that your time has come, your audience could be

16:55 Speaker 2: exhausted with what you've done, You could have some sort

16:58 Speaker 2: of something could happen, I could prevent you from executing

17:02 Speaker 2: your craft at the full level. And so I realized

17:06 Speaker 2: it was like, I need to be able to do

17:09 Speaker 2: other creative endeavors and still have a platform for the

17:13 Speaker 2: music as well. And one of my big influences in

17:16 Speaker 2: life has always been Henry Rawlins. I grew up a

17:19 Speaker 2: punk rock kid. I loved Black Flag, but I found

17:23 Speaker 2: that when I was like about twelve or thirteen years old,

17:26 Speaker 2: So it was like a very pivotal time in my life.

17:30 Speaker 2: And I had, like I don't want to like drag

17:33 Speaker 2: on the story, but basically I had been like a

17:36 Speaker 2: punk rock fan already. I used to go hang out

17:39 Speaker 2: at Barnes and Noble all the time because back then

17:41 Speaker 2: Barnes and Noble was open till eleven o'clock at night.

17:44 Speaker 2: He had the Starbucks, so it was like a place

17:45 Speaker 2: you could just take the bus and go hang out. Yeah,

17:48 Speaker 2: And I was there one night and I liked, I've

17:50 Speaker 2: always read like I'm a big fan, like the Hellhound

17:54 Speaker 2: logo is a book and flame, Yeah, like it's very

17:57 Speaker 2: much a part of my ethos as a person. But

18:01 Speaker 2: I was just looking through books and I found a

18:03 Speaker 2: book and it's and it had Henry Roland's name on

18:06 Speaker 2: it as like the author, and so like thirteen year

18:11 Speaker 2: old me is like, I picked it up and I

18:13 Speaker 2: opened the first page. It was the book it's called Sillipsist.

18:16 Speaker 2: I don't know if you've ever seen it, but it's

18:19 Speaker 2: like it is as raw as it comes. The very

18:21 Speaker 2: first page is just like raw, unfiltered, honest disgusted with

18:27 Speaker 2: the things that he's seeing at the time, and I

18:30 Speaker 2: didn't think books could be like that. Like I didn't

18:33 Speaker 2: think books can say that kind of stuff. And then

18:36 Speaker 2: it was like, oh, the guy from Black Flag writes

18:39 Speaker 2: books and like puts out And then I saw the

18:42 Speaker 2: record label that he had and they put out books

18:45 Speaker 2: and they did concerts and they put out spoken word albums,

18:48 Speaker 2: and so it just made me realize that, like, maybe

18:51 Speaker 2: I had boxed myself in too much. Like I write.

18:55 Speaker 2: You know, it's not that I write raps. You know,

18:57 Speaker 2: I started off as a punk rock I played in

19:00 Speaker 2: hardcore and metal bands. Like I've played numerous instruments, I've

19:05 Speaker 2: written poetry, I've done all these other things, including rap.

19:10 Speaker 2: Rap is a skill set that has taken me the

19:13 Speaker 2: furthest of all of my skill sets. Doing hell Houn

19:17 Speaker 2: Publishing was like, look, we're not calling this just records

19:20 Speaker 2: or music group or whatever. This is now the entity

19:23 Speaker 2: that we can do everything through. It's the cultural ethos

19:27 Speaker 2: that brings all of this art together.

19:29 Speaker 4: You know.

19:29 Speaker 2: It's being raw, being vulnerable, being honest, not feeling like

19:34 Speaker 2: you have to playkate to societal standards or even industry standards.

19:42 Speaker 2: Just being comfortable carving your own lane at whatever that costs.

19:47 Speaker 2: And so I kind of so the dissolution of Vatican

19:51 Speaker 2: Life was also the start of my hiatus as a rapper,

19:55 Speaker 2: and I ended up taking the next like almost three

19:58 Speaker 2: years off wow, and didn't really I think. I think

20:00 Speaker 2: I put out like an EP and I played like

20:02 Speaker 2: one show or something, but I didn't really do anything.

20:05 Speaker 2: I had put all of my energy into this hell

20:08 Speaker 2: Hound publishing project, and the first things that I was

20:11 Speaker 2: working on were podcasts. I had written like a radio play,

20:15 Speaker 2: so I wrote like a whole script. It was like

20:17 Speaker 2: eight thirty minute episodes really this very like film noir

20:21 Speaker 2: based like old school radio play style thing. I had

20:24 Speaker 2: cast a bunch of voice actors wow, brought them to

20:27 Speaker 2: my studio and was like producing this thing. And a

20:31 Speaker 2: few months in I just realized I was like way

20:33 Speaker 2: in over my head in terms of doing a production

20:36 Speaker 2: of that magnitude. But I knew that I was like

20:39 Speaker 2: on the right path. I knew that I was like

20:41 Speaker 2: this is why I made hell Hound, chose to do

20:44 Speaker 2: things like this.

20:45 Speaker 4: What was the radio play about?

20:47 Speaker 2: So it's called Gates and I based it in like

20:51 Speaker 2: early like nineteen fifties Nashua. Yeah, And it's really like

20:55 Speaker 2: a mix of like a sci fi murder mystery kind

20:57 Speaker 2: of thing where I took a lot of those like

21:01 Speaker 2: the Raymond Chandler stories, like those kind of like detective

21:05 Speaker 2: mystery things, and I tried to imbue that with my

21:10 Speaker 2: love of sci fi. How would people react to science

21:14 Speaker 2: fiction scenarios in that time in the fifties without the

21:17 Speaker 2: lack of technology that we have today. So it was

21:20 Speaker 2: really fun and I still have a lot of the

21:22 Speaker 2: stuff like in the vault, and I'm just trying to

21:25 Speaker 2: figure out Now it's like, all right, how do I

21:27 Speaker 2: finish it? Because I was I was like I think

21:31 Speaker 2: coming from like CD culture and concert ticket culture, it's

21:34 Speaker 2: like I have this very way of thinking that was

21:37 Speaker 2: like I need to get all eleven voice actors to

21:40 Speaker 2: the studio to like play off of each other, and

21:44 Speaker 2: how do I record that all at the same and

21:46 Speaker 2: it's like people just don't have the time. And it

21:51 Speaker 2: was just like technological stuff that it was like I

21:53 Speaker 2: need to figure out how I could produce this better,

21:56 Speaker 2: and now I have. But then in that time, the

21:59 Speaker 2: music stuff kind of picked back up so much that

22:03 Speaker 2: it was like Okay, I understand now I have a

22:06 Speaker 2: better understanding of how to charge forward, and it's that

22:11 Speaker 2: doing the music is the thing that shines a lot

22:15 Speaker 2: of light into what I'm doing, yeah, and provides me

22:18 Speaker 2: the leverage to take risks on new creative ventures like

22:22 Speaker 2: a radio play or doing a podcast, or writing a

22:26 Speaker 2: book or whatever it may be. And so I think

22:30 Speaker 2: as long as I stay steady doing music and not compromising,

22:34 Speaker 2: that people will also take risks on me doing new things.

22:38 Speaker 2: And the band was kind of an example of that too.

22:41 Speaker 2: We're constantly trying to bring new elements into what people

22:46 Speaker 2: see as like a hip hop show, and like the

22:48 Speaker 2: flyer I gave you, you'll see we're doing an unplugged

22:50 Speaker 2: show at the end of September, so we're basically all

22:54 Speaker 2: acoustic and percussion stuff, and we're going to be doing

22:57 Speaker 2: all new renditions of some of my songs oh wow

23:00 Speaker 2: and stuff that was like I was like very inspired

23:03 Speaker 2: by like Incubus, Alice in Chains, yeah, stuff like that

23:06 Speaker 2: that It was like, how do I bring that kind

23:08 Speaker 2: of like goose bump inducing energy and still use my

23:14 Speaker 2: like the spinal cord of the music that I'm making

23:17 Speaker 2: right right now?

23:18 Speaker 4: I think that's really cool, and you know, to have

23:20 Speaker 4: the music as the nucleus, but but to not limit yourself,

23:25 Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, now I think that's I think that's

23:28 Speaker 4: excellent if you are just joining us. Cody Pope is

23:30 Speaker 4: here with us on this this Saturday morning. And so

23:35 Speaker 4: when is the next When is the next show that

23:37 Speaker 4: you're doing with the band with the Keyholders.

23:38 Speaker 2: So the next Keyholders show September fourteenth, we're going to

23:42 Speaker 2: be at the Shaskiing Okay, We're going to be doing

23:44 Speaker 2: like a regular like electric, pretty high energetic set for

23:48 Speaker 2: rap night.

23:49 Speaker 4: Yeah.

23:49 Speaker 2: And then September twenty seventh, we're doing our unplugged Acoustics

23:53 Speaker 2: show at the Spot in Nashwa, Newhamshire.

23:56 Speaker 4: Okay, oh that's very cool. Yeah, all right, excellent, excellent.

24:00 Speaker 4: You want to So we had talked off air about

24:02 Speaker 4: you were gonna wrap something a cappella for us. Yeah.

24:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, I had a couple of songs that I so

24:07 Speaker 2: like we were saying before. With everything that's been going,

24:11 Speaker 2: you know, I've been so fortunate to have the band

24:13 Speaker 2: I had, Byron, I had Bus. I've always had people

24:17 Speaker 2: to bounce off of creatively when I'm on stage. But

24:21 Speaker 2: the only way that I got any of those people

24:23 Speaker 2: to mess with me in the first place was by

24:25 Speaker 2: just being up there by myself, and so I had

24:28 Speaker 2: been so far removed from that that for this show

24:31 Speaker 2: that I did about a week ago, I was kind

24:34 Speaker 2: of like tied into just celebrating my birthday, Like what

24:36 Speaker 2: else would I want to do besides the thing I love?

24:39 Speaker 2: And so I put together this hour long set and

24:43 Speaker 2: I picked songs that I had, some I had never

24:45 Speaker 2: performed before, some I hadn't performed in like ten years,

24:50 Speaker 2: some were like unreleased songs, and then of course some

24:53 Speaker 2: of the stuff that people have come to know and enjoy.

24:56 Speaker 2: And it was just like I kind of just built

24:59 Speaker 2: this night around cell braiding, my catalog and the work

25:01 Speaker 2: that I've done, and it was like very cathartic. A

25:04 Speaker 2: lot of like old friends came out, a lot of

25:07 Speaker 2: new people that had no idea who I was just

25:09 Speaker 2: happened to like buy tickets because they liked the venue

25:13 Speaker 2: and it went really well. So I thought that it

25:16 Speaker 2: would be cool to kind of pick a couple songs

25:19 Speaker 2: from throughout the catalog that I could do acappella because

25:23 Speaker 2: nobody's ever heard.

25:23 Speaker 1: Them like that.

25:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, very curious. Yeah.

25:26 Speaker 2: So the first one that I was thinking of doing

25:29 Speaker 2: is from the Cody and Byron collection. This is a

25:32 Speaker 2: song We've been opening the show with it a lot

25:34 Speaker 2: because I feel like, subject wise, it's kind of how

25:37 Speaker 2: some people think about or start the day or whatnot.

25:41 Speaker 2: And so this song is called Gratitude. This is one

25:44 Speaker 2: of the closing songs from the Giant Steps in Gates

25:47 Speaker 2: City album.

25:48 Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, Whenever You're ready, Cody Pope live in studio.

25:52 Speaker 2: Some days I wake up and I wish I had it.

25:58 Speaker 2: I hate that I'm sad, Oh my loved ones feel

26:01 Speaker 2: so glad. Then easily tripping, don't know why I'm.

26:07 Speaker 4: So mad man?

26:11 Speaker 2: Got a lot to be grateful for, even when I'm

26:14 Speaker 2: damn bad man. Some days I wake up and I

26:20 Speaker 2: wish I had it. I hate that I'm sad, but

26:25 Speaker 2: my loved ones feel so glad, Then easily tripping, don't

26:32 Speaker 2: know why I'm so mad man. Got a lot to

26:37 Speaker 2: be grateful for, even when I'm damn bad man. Wake

26:43 Speaker 2: up in my brain already feeling dark, Hit the couch, already,

26:48 Speaker 2: chase a spark, contemplating in my sick of unhealthy? Is

26:53 Speaker 2: this depression of Calma for unwealthy, enough clarity to know

26:57 Speaker 2: that I'm the end of me, the one destroying me,

27:00 Speaker 2: the one should be defending me. Gotta take time enough

27:03 Speaker 2: to know you can't make time, So make mind filled

27:06 Speaker 2: with the things that shape lives. What you heard on

27:09 Speaker 2: the grapevine might not taste right, so you don't gotta

27:12 Speaker 2: make wine. You'll still make flights, Plant that seed that

27:15 Speaker 2: gone way to your family. We the real money tree.

27:18 Speaker 2: Life's obstacle, standard fees. Still days, I'm fighting to get

27:22 Speaker 2: through it, but I survived when I've remain my truest.

27:27 Speaker 2: When the fight come at your door, you can't be truant.

27:29 Speaker 2: You missed that chance. Might as well accept your ruins.

27:33 Speaker 2: Some days I wake up and I wish I had it.

27:39 Speaker 2: I hate that I'm sad, but my loved ones feel

27:42 Speaker 2: so glad. Then easily tripping, don't know why I'm so

27:49 Speaker 2: mad man. Got a lot to be grateful for, even

27:54 Speaker 2: when I'm damn bad man. Some days I wake up, thank.

28:04 Speaker 4: You, very cool? Very cool? Is that difficult to do?

28:09 Speaker 4: Like to do that acapella without?

28:11 Speaker 2: I mean?

28:11 Speaker 4: Or do you just kind of play the beat in

28:12 Speaker 4: your head? Or how do you do that?

28:14 Speaker 2: I think I do kind of play the beat in

28:16 Speaker 2: my head. I just like try to black out a

28:18 Speaker 2: little bit because it is definitely like nerve racking, you know.

28:22 Speaker 2: It's like I can like even feel myself now a

28:24 Speaker 2: little bit being like, oh boy, I don't know, I've

28:27 Speaker 2: never done that before, but I think it's just one

28:30 Speaker 2: of those things that I need to be able to

28:33 Speaker 2: do because I thrive in the live atmosphere, right, That's

28:38 Speaker 2: very much my comfort zone. I love performing. But what

28:42 Speaker 2: happens is everybody experiences the live show differently. Some people

28:46 Speaker 2: are feeling the music, some people are seeing your like

28:50 Speaker 2: action and reaction to stuff. Some people are processing what

28:54 Speaker 2: you're saying. Some people might miss entire lines and segments

28:59 Speaker 2: of what I'm saying because it's just a different kind

29:02 Speaker 2: of atmosphere. And so being that what I do is

29:06 Speaker 2: so rooted lyrically, it's cool to have opportunities like this

29:12 Speaker 2: where it's like, hopefully people can kind of be like, oh,

29:14 Speaker 2: you know, I've heard that song fifteen times and hearing

29:19 Speaker 2: it that way really hit home what he's talking about

29:22 Speaker 2: or what he's trying to say.

29:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, and you know that's the best I could ask for. Yeah, No,

29:28 Speaker 4: that's really cool. So have you have you done that

29:30 Speaker 4: live just acapella like that and in front of an audience.

29:32 Speaker 4: Oh no, this is the first time.

29:34 Speaker 2: Yeah. Oh wow, well yeah, we just we we always

29:36 Speaker 2: play it at the showses the album came out, because

29:39 Speaker 2: it's just such a cool thing. Yeah, And I usually

29:42 Speaker 2: open with it because doing some of those vocal inflections,

29:45 Speaker 2: it's like, if I try to do that at the

29:47 Speaker 2: end of the set when I've wore you know, the

29:49 Speaker 2: show gets a little rowdy at times.

29:51 Speaker 4: Yeah.

29:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's like you got to get some of the

29:54 Speaker 2: more challenging vocal vocally nuanced stuff out of the way.

29:58 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, makes sense. We had talked about playing

30:03 Speaker 4: let's see studio track clipped wings.

30:06 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, this is a this is a cool one.

30:09 Speaker 2: I'm glad that we're playing this because when we put

30:12 Speaker 2: the album out, we that album release show is the

30:16 Speaker 2: only time we played the album top to bottom. Okay,

30:19 Speaker 2: And so after that show, that song has just yet

30:23 Speaker 2: to have fit into a set list really Yeah, and

30:26 Speaker 2: it's not it's a great song, but it's a little longer,

30:30 Speaker 2: and it's a it's a little more of like a

30:32 Speaker 2: serious subject matter kind of thing. So it's like you

30:35 Speaker 2: can't just like play that at every you know, it's

30:37 Speaker 2: it's not as fun as doing not having a good

30:39 Speaker 2: day and everyone's jumping around and singing along. So so

30:43 Speaker 2: it's cool when we were, you know, but when we

30:45 Speaker 2: were off air, I was like trying to go through

30:47 Speaker 2: the the new album to pick some songs that I

30:51 Speaker 2: figured hadn't been as widely picked up on or talked

30:55 Speaker 2: about or whatever. Sure, and this is definitely one that

30:58 Speaker 2: like I don't want to say his on unrecognized, but

31:01 Speaker 2: it doesn't get the kind of conversation that like, you know,

31:05 Speaker 2: no Sugar Added or some of the other songs on

31:08 Speaker 2: the album, people of our gratitude. People really gravitate to

31:11 Speaker 2: these songs, and that's also because we've exerted a lot

31:15 Speaker 2: of energy pushing them. So yeah, clipped Wings is really cool.

31:19 Speaker 2: It's kind of the idea behind it is essentially not

31:24 Speaker 2: allowing yourself to be stifled where it's easy for situations

31:30 Speaker 2: to dictate or for circumstances to dictate how much room

31:34 Speaker 2: you have to do X, Y and Z, And ultimately

31:37 Speaker 2: it's like you can accept those terms or you can

31:40 Speaker 2: create a new way and not allow yourself to feel

31:44 Speaker 2: so beaten down.

31:46 Speaker 4: Yeah, I like it all right. Let's give this a spen.

31:48 Speaker 4: This is Cody Pope and Byron g It's from the

31:50 Speaker 4: album Giant Steps in Gate City and Cody Pope is

31:54 Speaker 4: here with us live in studio. This is called clipped Wings, So.

32:10 Speaker 2: Carl Kings want me to clip my wings? Don't like

32:13 Speaker 2: it how I sing and still do my thing? If

32:15 Speaker 2: you the type does not leave the house. We just

32:18 Speaker 2: don't believe your mouth.

32:19 Speaker 5: You can discuss anything with no apps what you're talking

32:22 Speaker 5: about and.

32:22 Speaker 2: In the down and dirty, with the dirt in my nails,

32:25 Speaker 2: ice pack recovery from the hurt of my sails. Nice

32:28 Speaker 2: that people loving me? Sure I feel swell. They're lifting

32:31 Speaker 2: dead weight that want to burn me in hell had

32:34 Speaker 2: a list for change of mad insane brain. The target

32:38 Speaker 2: to me more than the store or the range. Different

32:41 Speaker 2: missions when you're missing what you never had been doing

32:44 Speaker 2: this most of my life.

32:45 Speaker 5: It was never a fad, been here for.

32:47 Speaker 1: Years, never different, Not to fear.

32:49 Speaker 2: No man can program me different that clear searching for

32:53 Speaker 2: clever and sometimes I've made it differently to keep on

32:56 Speaker 2: this hunt.

32:56 Speaker 1: It's not something you'll have.

32:57 Speaker 2: To dare me make it mountains out of mow hills,

33:00 Speaker 2: but I'm still climbing. They lit my wings, but you'll

33:03 Speaker 2: see I'm still rising. Probably needs every people. At least

33:06 Speaker 2: I'm still rhyming. I hope you find the thing that

33:09 Speaker 2: helped you make the most of thiment making mountains out

33:12 Speaker 2: of mohills, but I'm still climbing.

33:14 Speaker 1: They lit my wings, but you'll see I'm still rising.

33:17 Speaker 2: Probably needs every people. At least I'm still rhyming. Hope

33:20 Speaker 2: you find the thing that help you make the most

33:22 Speaker 2: of timing. I am on the mission to make sure

33:25 Speaker 2: that my circle eat no more portrayals from these sucker

33:28 Speaker 2: arkle peaks. We on the meat and tip to us

33:30 Speaker 2: the first of the week, working right after work again,

33:33 Speaker 2: know hurting my feet certainly deep on the path that

33:37 Speaker 2: we've been coughing out. Always say she ain't in hunger,

33:40 Speaker 2: but still starffen now so looking me like a martian,

33:43 Speaker 2: I'm offing. Now. When you evolve, you gotta leave behind

33:46 Speaker 2: the laugh and now, even if you not be ritual,

33:49 Speaker 2: think of karma, how it can disrupt and derail. Don't

33:52 Speaker 2: work you all the bout. Climbing ladder is easily lead

33:55 Speaker 2: just look it fall you get your shot.

33:57 Speaker 1: How wes to le? Can you grip the ball at

34:00 Speaker 1: the wall lights?

34:01 Speaker 5: Flash time to say nothing?

34:03 Speaker 2: If you win a jam, don't give them the turkey

34:05 Speaker 2: stuff and the recipe state locked.

34:07 Speaker 5: Don't like Golevn spices, even.

34:09 Speaker 1: If it puts you down for for Levin.

34:11 Speaker 2: Like making mountains down of bow hills. But I'm still climbing.

34:14 Speaker 2: They clit my wings, but you'll see I'm still rising.

34:18 Speaker 2: Probably needs to ever be pleased.

34:19 Speaker 1: I'm still roming.

34:20 Speaker 2: I hope you find the thing that helped you make

34:22 Speaker 2: the most of tom and making mountains out.

34:25 Speaker 1: Of bow hills.

34:26 Speaker 2: But I'm still climbing. They clit my wings, but you'll

34:28 Speaker 2: see I'm still rising.

34:30 Speaker 1: Probably needs to ever be pleased. I'm still romming. Hope

34:33 Speaker 1: you find the thing that helped you make the most

34:35 Speaker 1: of tom And.

34:39 Speaker 4: That has clipped wings. That is from the album Giant

34:41 Speaker 4: Steps in Gates City. That's Cody Pope and Byron g

34:44 Speaker 4: And we have Cody Pope here with us, alive in studio,

34:48 Speaker 4: and Uh Mike McDowell, also known as the Healer Uh

34:52 Speaker 4: is in the chat room.

34:53 Speaker 2: Hello much love brother.

34:54 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been on the show. I really enjoy talking

34:56 Speaker 4: with him doing He's doing a lot of great, great stuff.

34:59 Speaker 2: The first time we connected was the last time that

35:02 Speaker 2: we were here. Mike was on the show before us, right,

35:06 Speaker 2: So he was headed out of the building as we

35:09 Speaker 2: were headed in. Oh yeah, and he stopped us and

35:12 Speaker 2: was like, hey, what's up, Like you guys are going

35:14 Speaker 2: on like with da da da da da. And that's

35:17 Speaker 2: when we started keeping in touch.

35:18 Speaker 4: Oh yeah.

35:19 Speaker 2: He let me know about the spot and and he's

35:22 Speaker 2: been a huge advocate for me on this, you know,

35:26 Speaker 2: as I talk about this next chapter of what I'm doing,

35:29 Speaker 2: he's been a huge advocate for me already letting me

35:32 Speaker 2: do the solo show and like, we that was really

35:35 Speaker 2: kind of the foundation of like how I want to

35:37 Speaker 2: put shows on again. So we have we have obviously

35:40 Speaker 2: we're gonna be back there with the band. Yeah, we

35:42 Speaker 2: got some really special stuff in the works. I'm very

35:45 Speaker 2: really grateful that we got connected.

35:47 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh that's really great. Well, you know, I'm

35:49 Speaker 4: glad that we were a part of a facilitating that.

35:51 Speaker 4: That's really cool. Yeah. Yeah, we I think when we

35:54 Speaker 4: had what we had him on, he was in the

35:58 Speaker 4: process of building up, you know, getting he wasn't open yet.

36:01 Speaker 4: Obviously the spot. But but yeah, we should get him

36:04 Speaker 4: back on to you know, talk about him, see how

36:06 Speaker 4: things are going. Yeah, he said in the chat, let's

36:09 Speaker 4: see he said, my man Cody Pope, morning boys and Jenny.

36:13 Speaker 4: Uh and he said, love you homeboy, so very nice,

36:16 Speaker 4: very nice. Yeah. And it's you know, it's so important too,

36:20 Speaker 4: you know in the music business, networking and uh, you know,

36:23 Speaker 4: meeting people, getting out and meeting people and all that.

36:26 Speaker 4: So so that's that's great. Are you So what what

36:31 Speaker 4: is kind of your I mean, what are you most

36:33 Speaker 4: excited about? Because you're always doing You're always doing a

36:35 Speaker 4: number of different things like obviously you know, playing with

36:39 Speaker 4: you know, Cody Pope and the keyholders. That's pretty exciting.

36:41 Speaker 4: Does that like the the biggest thing or or ah?

36:45 Speaker 2: So that is definitely one of the things I'm super

36:47 Speaker 2: excited about. Yeah, but I also keep realistic expectations because

36:53 Speaker 2: both of my bandmates are in multiple other projects right right,

36:58 Speaker 2: It's not the kind of thing. But that's why I'm

37:01 Speaker 2: also back doing the solo shows too, because it's like

37:05 Speaker 2: I feel like now I've put myself in a position

37:08 Speaker 2: where there's not really a room that I can't attack

37:11 Speaker 2: if I have enough notice I could ask Byron and

37:15 Speaker 2: me and Byron have a show that's unlike most artist

37:18 Speaker 2: producer duos, and we have a chemistry that I'm so

37:21 Speaker 2: proud of when we're on stage and on record. Obviously,

37:24 Speaker 2: as I've been talking about, I can do my solo

37:27 Speaker 2: shows and I'm doing that again anytime anybody needs any

37:31 Speaker 2: size room, any place, you know, whatever. And having the

37:34 Speaker 2: band now it's like those opportunities that may require something

37:39 Speaker 2: a little different than a traditional hip hop thing. Now

37:42 Speaker 2: with the band, it brings a different live element. We

37:45 Speaker 2: can do different variations of my songs. We actually we

37:49 Speaker 2: did a cover at our first show, which, like anybody

37:53 Speaker 2: that knows me, I kind of like, I don't want

37:55 Speaker 2: to say I hate covers, but I'm very judgmental of

37:59 Speaker 2: covers in bands that do a lot of covers and

38:03 Speaker 2: cover bands and things of that nature. But it was

38:08 Speaker 2: like one of those things where I was like, man,

38:09 Speaker 2: I haven't had a band in so many years, and

38:13 Speaker 2: we're trying to pull this show together on a week's notice,

38:16 Speaker 2: and we did a cover and it went over incredibly.

38:20 Speaker 2: People went off, and so we were like, well was it?

38:22 Speaker 2: So we covered break Stuff by Olympus, nice I was

38:25 Speaker 2: in a.

38:26 Speaker 4: Band a long time ago that actually covered that song.

38:28 Speaker 2: People just went bananas because I knew it was going

38:32 Speaker 2: to be a different audience for that show, and so

38:35 Speaker 2: it was like in my head, it was like, oh,

38:37 Speaker 2: let's do some obscure punk rock cover, like it's something

38:40 Speaker 2: that's going to like make people smash the walls open.

38:43 Speaker 2: And then it was like, let's do something that people know, like,

38:46 Speaker 2: let's do something they could easily get. And and so

38:49 Speaker 2: I've kind of found a little gravity in that where

38:52 Speaker 2: it's like, Okay, I like picking like one song that

38:55 Speaker 2: we can learn for each show, and so I think

38:57 Speaker 2: that's kind of become our thing where like every time

39:00 Speaker 2: we do a show, we're going to have like a

39:01 Speaker 2: new cover that we do just for that show.

39:03 Speaker 4: Oh okay, Oh that's cool. That's a cool concept.

39:07 Speaker 2: Yeah.

39:07 Speaker 4: I was in a band that we covered when I

39:09 Speaker 4: was in my life crisis. We covered break stuff. And

39:12 Speaker 4: it's funny because I related. The reason I laughed when

39:15 Speaker 4: you were talking about covers initially is because I remember

39:17 Speaker 4: being in that band and I was always kind of like, Guys,

39:20 Speaker 4: our originals are really strong, we don't need to be

39:21 Speaker 4: doing covers. And I resisted, but you know, I was

39:25 Speaker 4: out voted on that, but I ended up being glad

39:27 Speaker 4: we did it because that is a fun song. I

39:29 Speaker 4: know from personal experience, that's a fun song to play live,

39:31 Speaker 4: and people get into it, people react to it.

39:34 Speaker 2: And I think I got burnt out on like covers

39:37 Speaker 2: and stuff like that because I worked in the motorcycle

39:39 Speaker 2: industry for a number of years. I was doing marketing

39:42 Speaker 2: and events for different Harley Davidson dealership. Oh okay, and

39:45 Speaker 2: so as you can imagine, like that audience is a

39:48 Speaker 2: lot different than what I normally work with. Sure, it's

39:50 Speaker 2: very much play the hits. It's here skinnered, let's you know.

39:55 Speaker 2: And so it's like doing that for years. It's like, man,

39:58 Speaker 2: every week it's like we're just listening to God Smack again.

40:01 Speaker 2: I just listening to whatever, Like butt rock band.

40:06 Speaker 4: Is like cool.

40:07 Speaker 2: At the it's like it just got so draining. It

40:10 Speaker 2: was like I just want to hear songs I've never

40:12 Speaker 2: heard before at this point, even if they're not good,

40:15 Speaker 2: I just want to hear songs I haven't heard yet, right,

40:19 Speaker 2: And so that kind of but I think now I'm

40:21 Speaker 2: in a good place where it's like it's in doing.

40:26 Speaker 2: I don't want to call it singing. I feel like

40:28 Speaker 2: that's not There are people who are very incredible vocal

40:33 Speaker 2: singers who are trained. I don't know what you would

40:35 Speaker 2: call what I do. But the midst of vocalizing that

40:40 Speaker 2: I've been trying to add into my like rap style

40:44 Speaker 2: is doing cover songs is like a really good challenge

40:48 Speaker 2: break stuff. Obviously not exemplary of that, but some of

40:51 Speaker 2: the stuff that we're doing now is like songs where

40:54 Speaker 2: it's like, all right, I'm going to try and like

40:55 Speaker 2: maybe work with a vocal coach to figure out how

40:58 Speaker 2: to do this song way, and then all the stuff

41:01 Speaker 2: that I learned in that time I can now apply

41:04 Speaker 2: to the stuff that I write going forward.

41:06 Speaker 4: Yeah.

41:07 Speaker 2: So I'm excited about it in that sense.

41:09 Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh that's really cool. The time goes quick. You

41:13 Speaker 4: want to do another, you want to do another a cappella,

41:15 Speaker 4: but I want to make sure we got another one

41:17 Speaker 4: in because I was really cool awesome.

41:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, definitely. I'm trying to think if we have if

41:22 Speaker 2: we have time for one more, should I? Okay? So

41:27 Speaker 2: I So I was working on this in the car.

41:30 Speaker 2: I was hoping I was going to get through it.

41:32 Speaker 2: It's a tough one, but I just did it at

41:34 Speaker 2: the show that we this past show, and so I've

41:38 Speaker 2: only performed this song two times live now because it's

41:43 Speaker 2: from my last solo album that I did, called The

41:46 Speaker 2: Howling Man, which came out in twenty twenty one, okay,

41:49 Speaker 2: and the song is called Moonlight, and it's really just

41:53 Speaker 2: about like losing people that have passed to drug addiction

41:57 Speaker 2: and people that have like gone young and stuff like that,

42:01 Speaker 2: and having overcome a lot of that myself. The kind

42:04 Speaker 2: of duality of yeah, like I'm so fortunate to have

42:09 Speaker 2: come out the other side of this thing, and then

42:11 Speaker 2: the like, wow, so many people that I knew didn't

42:15 Speaker 2: and like, you know, it just doesn't always feel great. Yeah,

42:19 Speaker 2: But the times that I've done this song, it's really

42:23 Speaker 2: connected with people, and it's really like brought a lot

42:27 Speaker 2: of like people out of their shell that probably wouldn't

42:30 Speaker 2: have talked to me or said anything. And so it

42:33 Speaker 2: was like, all right, maybe I gotta like suck it

42:35 Speaker 2: up and find a way to do this more often. Yeah,

42:40 Speaker 2: crack open my cheet sheet here just in case I

42:43 Speaker 2: need it.

42:43 Speaker 4: But yeah, if you're just showing us, we have Cody

42:45 Speaker 4: Pope here with us live in studio.

42:50 Speaker 2: So this song is called Moonlight. This is from my

42:53 Speaker 2: album The Howling Man. Right, candles burning out, staring at

42:58 Speaker 2: the moonlight. If I'm gonna make it through another spoon

43:02 Speaker 2: light piano man, five bucks. If you play this tune right,

43:05 Speaker 2: trying to see my friends, let my spirit sort of

43:08 Speaker 2: new heights, heart hurts lone survivor of my friend's past.

43:12 Speaker 2: Why this needle make me feeble but not end fast?

43:15 Speaker 2: Only longevity I seek is that my pen last drive

43:18 Speaker 2: my car a buck fifty and then crash. Can't explain

43:22 Speaker 2: death's desire to those who love life. It's way more

43:25 Speaker 2: than money in having a love life. Brain operate different

43:29 Speaker 2: when you're drained of your thinking. This command vision's way

43:32 Speaker 2: more than what you're drinking. Yo, it's hard to think

43:35 Speaker 2: of all my friends gone, forget the ones who abandon them.

43:38 Speaker 2: People bend gone. I know in our life plenty of

43:42 Speaker 2: times I bend wrong. Wish I knew how to speak

43:45 Speaker 2: instead of this song. It feels, it feels, It feels

43:48 Speaker 2: that I won't make it, can't take my soul and

43:51 Speaker 2: feel that I'm still naked. Nah, brother, you can fight

43:54 Speaker 2: this battle, just another war. Nothing that we haven't overcome

43:58 Speaker 2: when we've seen before. It feels it feels, it feels

44:01 Speaker 2: that I won't make it. Can't take my soul and

44:04 Speaker 2: feel that I'm still naked. Nah, brother, you can fight.

44:07 Speaker 2: This battle just another war, nothing that we haven't overcome

44:10 Speaker 2: when we've seen before. I can't take it, can't seem

44:14 Speaker 2: to suppress the fall. My body hurts, brain, tire, depressing.

44:18 Speaker 2: Y'all You feeling stressed, Hit the gym and go find

44:21 Speaker 2: a brawl. All in all, there's a million ways to survive,

44:24 Speaker 2: my dog. This world needs you, even that it's most feebled,

44:27 Speaker 2: Even when you feel like God and the devil both

44:29 Speaker 2: deceive you. You got brothers, you got sisters. We all

44:32 Speaker 2: receive you. No matter what you gotta say, We're gonna

44:35 Speaker 2: try to believe you might have strength. Something you gotta

44:38 Speaker 2: fight for. Takes training, takes time, takes a life's work.

44:42 Speaker 2: Hard to see illumination when your light pours, blinded by

44:45 Speaker 2: the grinding of your shine and in your fight sores.

44:48 Speaker 2: Save my number in your phone as never given up.

44:51 Speaker 2: No matter what I'm doing now, I'm about to give

44:53 Speaker 2: it up. Struggle runs deep. Please, No, I know you

44:56 Speaker 2: did enough. Please don't ever worry about if you did enough.

45:00 Speaker 2: It feels it feels it feels that I won't make it,

45:03 Speaker 2: can't take my soul and field that I'm still naked. Nah, brother,

45:07 Speaker 2: you can fight this battle, just another war, nothing that

45:10 Speaker 2: we have and overcome when we've seen before.

45:15 Speaker 4: Hmm.

45:15 Speaker 2: I like it, thank you.

45:17 Speaker 4: I like that line, save my number on your phone

45:20 Speaker 4: has never given up. I like that a lot. Yeah,

45:22 Speaker 4: I think that's that's really cool. That's really cool, Cody

45:24 Speaker 4: POPI are with us, alive in the studio, and so

45:28 Speaker 4: what is the next what what's the next big show

45:31 Speaker 4: you got coming up? So I go?

45:34 Speaker 2: So November sixth, November Wow, September sixth, I'm gonna be

45:38 Speaker 2: in Northampton, Massachusetts at the Phoenix Rising Art Gallery.

45:42 Speaker 4: Oh cool.

45:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm excited about that. Now that'll be a solo show.

45:47 Speaker 2: September fourteenth, I'm gonna be at the Shaskiine with the

45:51 Speaker 2: Keyholders for our Electric live set. We're gonna be playing

45:55 Speaker 2: at Rap Night, so it'll be a little late Sunday

45:57 Speaker 2: night gig.

45:57 Speaker 4: Yeah.

45:58 Speaker 2: Then on the only seventh of September, it's going to

46:01 Speaker 2: be me and the Keyholders again. We're gonna be doing

46:04 Speaker 2: an unplugged acoustics show at the Spot in Nashua, New Hampshire. Yeah,

46:08 Speaker 2: so that is kind of this month in a nutshell.

46:12 Speaker 4: Yeah.

46:12 Speaker 2: In addition to uh, I've been doing I don't know

46:14 Speaker 2: if we had talked about it the last time I

46:16 Speaker 2: was here or not, but I've been doing a podcast

46:19 Speaker 2: every Monday. I do a live stream podcast on YouTube

46:22 Speaker 2: as well. I'm glad you brought that up. Ye, I

46:24 Speaker 2: was curious to ask you about that. Yeah. So it's

46:25 Speaker 2: called Cody Central. We're almost forty episodes deep now, Yeah.

46:32 Speaker 4: Cool.

46:32 Speaker 2: It's been awesome. It's I so every week we essentially

46:36 Speaker 2: bring on a new guest. We've had chefs, we've had musicians,

46:40 Speaker 2: we've had athletes, we've had life coaches, trauma survivors, all

46:45 Speaker 2: sorts of different people nice And it's been really cool

46:48 Speaker 2: because it gives me a chance to use my platform

46:51 Speaker 2: to let other people share their stories the way that

46:53 Speaker 2: like people like you guys give me a chance to

46:56 Speaker 2: share what I'm doing, you know, and so that's like,

46:58 Speaker 2: how could I contribute back to the community that I

47:02 Speaker 2: ask so much of.

47:03 Speaker 4: Oh, that's really cool.

47:04 Speaker 2: It's been really cool. Yeah, I've been really privileged to

47:06 Speaker 2: have so many impactful and like really impressive people come

47:11 Speaker 2: on and share their stories.

47:12 Speaker 4: That's fantastic.

47:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, do you do it live? Or is do you

47:14 Speaker 2: see much?

47:15 Speaker 4: Excellent? Excellent? So it's Monday?

47:17 Speaker 2: Is what every Monday? Eight pm on YouTube?

47:19 Speaker 4: Outstanding?

47:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's been really cool. Yeah, we'll definitely have to

47:23 Speaker 2: have you on the seat sometimes.

47:25 Speaker 4: Oh I would love it. Yeah, I would love it.

47:26 Speaker 4: And it's called Cody Central yep. Okay, okay, yeah, I

47:29 Speaker 4: remember seeing the logo for it. I dig the logo.

47:32 Speaker 4: But I'm gonna have to check out the show now

47:33 Speaker 4: that I know what it's about.

47:34 Speaker 2: Yeah.

47:35 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's really cool, very good, very good. Let's see

47:39 Speaker 4: anything we didn't mention that you want us to know about.

47:41 Speaker 4: You got a lot going on, so I want to

47:42 Speaker 4: make sure we don't leave anything unturned before we run

47:44 Speaker 4: out of time.

47:45 Speaker 2: No, I mean, the biggest thing is just kind of

47:47 Speaker 2: letting the world know that that I'm back at it

47:49 Speaker 2: in whatever form you need me to. You know, this

47:53 Speaker 2: was since Giant Steps and Gates City came out, things

47:57 Speaker 2: slowed down. Yeah, you know because of at Life and

48:00 Speaker 2: everything that's happened, and I obviously was part of that.

48:04 Speaker 2: So I'm just trying to like kind of get the

48:06 Speaker 2: momentum going again. And next year We're hoping to go

48:10 Speaker 2: back on tour next year. But in the meantime, I'm

48:13 Speaker 2: just trying to kind of fill up with as many

48:15 Speaker 2: regional dates as I can. I really just want to

48:17 Speaker 2: get the performing wheels going. I have a ton of

48:20 Speaker 2: new music in the vault right now, Like me and

48:23 Speaker 2: Byron have a bunch of stuff. I want to release

48:27 Speaker 2: that stuff soon, but I want to do it with him,

48:30 Speaker 2: so so I'm kind of waiting until he's ready and

48:34 Speaker 2: got the time. When he has the window, we're going

48:37 Speaker 2: to run it and do that stuff. Hopefully we're going

48:40 Speaker 2: to do the Holiday stroll together this year too. That's

48:42 Speaker 2: been a big tradition of ours for the last three years,

48:45 Speaker 2: so I'm hoping we're going to do that. But I

48:47 Speaker 2: also have I have an album with eight Biza in

48:50 Speaker 2: the vault that we're going to do soon. Yeah, We've

48:52 Speaker 2: been working on it for like the last two years

48:54 Speaker 2: or so, and once again, it's just a timing thing

48:58 Speaker 2: and we're gonna we We got plans to do that soon.

49:02 Speaker 2: I have an EP with a producer from Maine. His

49:04 Speaker 2: name is Suede breaks and it's really cool. He's a

49:07 Speaker 2: music teacher and so he actually played all of the

49:10 Speaker 2: instruments on the record and made these songs and gave

49:14 Speaker 2: them to me. And I've had these for a while too,

49:18 Speaker 2: and so I'm gonna that's another project that we've got

49:21 Speaker 2: in the vault. There's a producer from Maine named Graphic Melee.

49:25 Speaker 2: If you've heard of him. He's a multi instrumentalist, producer,

49:30 Speaker 2: DJ rapper, but he's from Portland and he hosts a

49:33 Speaker 2: show called Stereo Dreams every month that's like a producer showcase. Cool,

49:37 Speaker 2: and he sent me a batch of beats. So him

49:40 Speaker 2: and I have a really cool project that's going to

49:42 Speaker 2: be coming out as well. Yeah, the band and I

49:44 Speaker 2: are writing some music that like so right now the band,

49:48 Speaker 2: we play like songs for my catalog that we're working

49:52 Speaker 2: on writing some new music that'll be like indicative of

49:55 Speaker 2: just the band. Okay, So we got that stuff coming.

49:59 Speaker 2: And then I also have a project that's going to

50:01 Speaker 2: be coming out. I don't know if it'll be late

50:03 Speaker 2: this year or next year, but I have an album

50:06 Speaker 2: coming out. It's called Cranberry Cody, and I'm going to

50:09 Speaker 2: be playing most of the instruments on that. Oh, it's

50:11 Speaker 2: going to be a little more of like a indie

50:15 Speaker 2: rock alt rock kind of instrumentation with my like rap

50:19 Speaker 2: vocal stylings.

50:20 Speaker 4: Oh, very cool to it. Yeah, no, you got a

50:23 Speaker 4: lot in the pipeline. That's fantastic exactly. And where should

50:26 Speaker 4: people go on line to keep up with everything?

50:28 Speaker 2: So everything is Cody dash Pope dot com, c O.

50:32 Speaker 2: D Y Dash Pope dot com or Hellhound Publishing dot com.

50:37 Speaker 2: But that Hellhound is the universe.

50:39 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, excellent, excellent. Hey, it's great to see you, man,

50:41 Speaker 4: Thank you, thank you so much.

50:43 Speaker 2: So much. I'm so grateful. You guys have given me

50:46 Speaker 2: a platform so many different times. So it's really cool

50:49 Speaker 2: that I come in.

50:50 Speaker 4: Absolutely.

50:50 Speaker 2: You know, it's like New Hampshire is a small place

50:53 Speaker 2: and there's not there's not many radio stations like this

50:56 Speaker 2: where you can just go and pop up and perform

50:59 Speaker 2: and talk and promote yourself and and you know, it's

51:02 Speaker 2: it's really special what you guys do. So I'm grateful

51:05 Speaker 2: to be part of it for sure.

51:06 Speaker 4: Oh, thank you. Well, we're happy to have you here.

51:08 Speaker 4: I appreciate that very much. Absolutely, And Jenny, you've got

51:11 Speaker 4: a big week ahead of you. You want to plug

51:13 Speaker 4: your website so people know where to keep up with

51:15 Speaker 4: everything you're doing. Good luck.

51:17 Speaker 3: Yes, come check me out at GENCOFPY dot com. J

51:19 Speaker 3: E n n c O f f UI dot com.

51:22 Speaker 3: You can check out the article from my new first

51:25 Speaker 3: byline on common Dreams.

51:27 Speaker 4: Yes, up there on the on the blog.

51:29 Speaker 3: And yeah, I might be doing some stuff this week,

51:32 Speaker 3: so you might want to, you know, check it out

51:33 Speaker 3: maybe midweek or so.

51:35 Speaker 4: Absolutely, yes, yes, definitely good trouble and uh And if

51:39 Speaker 4: you are listening live on Saturday, coming up at three

51:42 Speaker 4: pm today, this is not on the radio station. This

51:45 Speaker 4: will strictly be online, but a bonus fourth hour of

51:49 Speaker 4: Matt Connorton Unleashed that will strictly be online, So keep

51:52 Speaker 4: your eye on the social media. I'll be interviewing a

51:55 Speaker 4: Senate candidate, Karishma Manzor. Yes she is. I'm gonna be

52:00 Speaker 4: out here in the North and I think she's wonderful.

52:02 Speaker 2: Yep.

52:03 Speaker 4: We're gonna be doing a stream with her today at

52:04 Speaker 4: three pm live, So keep an eye on the Matt

52:06 Speaker 4: Connorton Unleashed social media channels. And if you don't get

52:09 Speaker 4: to see it live, it will be in the podcast feed.

52:11 Speaker 4: Uh and again that is completely separate from the radio station,

52:14 Speaker 4: so that is online only and then also online only

52:17 Speaker 4: a little bit later in the day, I'll be doing

52:19 Speaker 4: a live episode of Tough Bumps with Eric Pilcher and

52:21 Speaker 4: we'll be talking about the Rajah Jackson situation. That whole

52:25 Speaker 4: debacle attempted murder in my view, but seriously, but hey,

52:29 Speaker 4: but Eric and I are going to talk about that

52:31 Speaker 4: later today. So a lot's going on, but I'm gonna

52:34 Speaker 4: sneak in this track Layers, I think from Cody Pope

52:38 Speaker 4: and Byron g from Giant Steps in Gate City, and

52:44 Speaker 4: we'll we'll play us out with that. But Cody again,

52:46 Speaker 4: thank you so much. Absolutely, and we'll talk to you

52:49 Speaker 4: a little bit later. Bye everybody, Bye bye, Layers.

53:16 Speaker 1: I'm complicated like a game of multiple players.

53:19 Speaker 2: Everybody always got their target on a favor, yet they

53:22 Speaker 2: needs and barely got time to see you later that

53:25 Speaker 2: you expected to be up and out your wagon. Not

53:27 Speaker 2: the day if my brain mostly got for the deep end,

53:30 Speaker 2: it's all the same, no looking to what's the weekend?

53:33 Speaker 1: Pretty judgmental.

53:34 Speaker 2: I'm honest, I got some weak friends paint then see

53:36 Speaker 2: the cap win inside of these men never could settle,

53:39 Speaker 2: but I know I could do better dead or the

53:42 Speaker 2: debtor still chasing me with brettos hot is the kettle.

53:45 Speaker 1: The water won't stop to settle.

53:47 Speaker 5: Medal the letters and dead on the slow pedals.

53:50 Speaker 2: Past that Nick now pragmatic with us a grand year

53:53 Speaker 2: making moves to what I do like SUSA dancers already.

53:56 Speaker 2: You know we could be New Hampshire's answer. But someone

53:59 Speaker 2: rock with us till we're making cures for cancer legas.

54:02 Speaker 2: Why it all got to be so complicated by my

54:05 Speaker 2: brain cave when I know that I should make it

54:08 Speaker 2: PLoP maps for others for stumble my feet naked legus

54:11 Speaker 2: up on legos.

54:12 Speaker 1: The puzzles anteep in singers.

54:14 Speaker 2: Why it all got to be so complicated by my

54:17 Speaker 2: brain cave when I know that I should make it

54:19 Speaker 2: plot maps for others to stumble my feet.

54:22 Speaker 1: Naked leg us upon legos. The puzzles are deep in singers.

54:25 Speaker 2: The brain is a machine that's a laborred like trying

54:28 Speaker 2: to draw a map well inside a labyrinth. Emotional roller,

54:32 Speaker 2: coastic kinky can involve standing stronger. Some days it feels

54:35 Speaker 2: like man O fall hard to teach when life's a

54:38 Speaker 2: race on the learning curve. I'm trying to reach the

54:40 Speaker 2: peak with how I'm burning words. Always seek to speak

54:43 Speaker 2: something to see the light. Also, my own darkness can

54:47 Speaker 2: always be the right on in the argument. Often so

54:50 Speaker 2: what's donush?

54:50 Speaker 1: And communication gets so off?

54:52 Speaker 2: We started monishing, administer bring hay instead of seeking to

54:56 Speaker 2: understand while we hate another, instead of lending the hand.

54:59 Speaker 2: Damn And if we don't break the cycles that we've

55:01 Speaker 2: been chained by the same mistakes that I've made.

55:04 Speaker 1: I've been drained by.

55:05 Speaker 2: Been so long since I can say I was saying, Man,

55:08 Speaker 2: I know there's legas in my brain. Need to change

55:10 Speaker 2: playing legas? Why it all got to be so complicated?

55:14 Speaker 2: Why my brain cave when I know that I should

55:17 Speaker 2: make it? Can PLoP maps for others? Be stumble my

55:19 Speaker 2: feet naked legus upon lega's. The puzzles are deepest sagas?

55:23 Speaker 2: Why it all gotta be yo so complicated? Why my

55:26 Speaker 2: brain cave when I know that I should make it?

55:29 Speaker 2: Can PLoP maps for others? Bestumble my feet naked legas

55:32 Speaker 2: upon legers. The puzzles are deepest sacred. You're listening to you,

55:39 Speaker 2: Matt Connorton, unleash tell you if it Ah ninety five

55:43 Speaker 2: point three