Matt Connarton Unleashed 9-20-25 hour 3

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7:33 Speaker 9: That is the way we're rolling. Lydia ready who we're going to be speaking with in just a moment, as she makes her return to the show from across the pond, Welcome everybody. We have entered our number three New Marrow trace of Matt Connorton Unleashed And for those of you listening live today is Saturday, September twentieth, twenty twenty five. We are live from the studios of w m n H ninety five point three FM and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire, and of course you can stream the show from anywhere.

8:00 Speaker 9: Go to Matt connorton dot com. Slash live for all your live streaming options, social media links, contact infoshoe, archives, et cetera, et cetera. Jenny is here, of course, at the news table, and let's bring her in right now. She is with us via Microsoft Teams Lydia Ready, Hello.

8:17 Speaker 16: Lydia, Hey everyone, how's it going?

8:20 Speaker 11: Good?

8:21 Speaker 9: Good, welcome back. It's great to speak with you. You know, we uh we talked recently your your first single, Turned This Town Around, which we love, and then uh, and then we received this uh, The Way We're Rolling, which I think we played was it a week or two or a couple of weeks ago? Actually the American radio premiere of that, another great great track from you. I really like this a lot and absolutely, and so let's get into it. What what is this song about? I mean, I know what I took from it, but but tell us, uh, in your own words, what what is the meaning of this song?

8:54 Speaker 9: The Way We're Rolling?

8:56 Speaker 16: This song is.

8:57 Speaker 17: About just being completely yourself and loving yourself for who you are and live in each other.

9:02 Speaker 9: And I think what I got from it too, it was also there's a strong message. I think they're about acceptance and h and not. You know, a lot of people and in are current not to get into this part of it, really, but you know, just in America, and I'm sure you see it from over there. Uh, you know, there's there's a lot of attension, a lot of people who have problems with other people who are different from them. And unfortunately that's always a facet of American life to some degree, it seems like right now it's it's gotten pretty dicey.

9:37 Speaker 9: But and and so sometimes I don't I don't know if they use the term there when talking about this, but in America people like to use the word tolerance or you know, you have to you have to tolerate people who are different. And I've never liked the word tolerance. I prefer the word acceptance because tolerance to me kind of sounds like, oh, you know, I don't really like people who are different from me, but I guess I can talk tolerate them. You know, I've always preferred the word acceptance. And that's when when I listen to that song, that's what I get from that song.

10:09 Speaker 9: But it's really about acceptance because we should we should celebrate our distance, our differences, not be uh, you know, not be fearful because of them, and and not to ostracize people because of them or other wise people. But but we should accept them. And that's that's kind of what I what I got from that, and and a sense of acceptance and solidarity. Am I? Am I right about that? Or am I reading too much into it?

10:34 Speaker 3: Or what?

10:34 Speaker 9: Say you?

10:36 Speaker 16: No, You're absolutely correct.

10:39 Speaker 4: It is.

10:39 Speaker 17: It is a little bit deeper than just like loving yourself. It is about like all that kind of stuff. There is a lot of hate in the world at the moment, in probably all areas of the world.

10:49 Speaker 16: And I was I'm just sick of it.

10:51 Speaker 17: I was like, you know what, if a few people can hear a song and start accepting some other people, then my job's done.

10:58 Speaker 9: Like I'm happy, right right.

11:00 Speaker 4: Yeah.

11:01 Speaker 9: What's interesting too, is because you know, yeah, there is a little bit of a deeper meaning. And and when we talked about turn this Town around, we we had kind of a similar discussion in the sense that and by the way, we're gonna play that track again too. We're gonna play that one at the end of our conversation because I love I still love that song too. But what's so interesting about that song to me is. You know, if you're just listening to it sort of casually, not necessarily paying close attention to the lyrics, it just sounds like a catchy, fun song, almost like you know, you're you know, you're gonna, you're gonna, uh, you know, really make your mark in this town, this whatever town it is you're referring to in the song, and you know, there's it's got a certain anthemic quality to it, But it's only if you really pay attention to the lyrics that you realize that there's something deeper going on.

11:45 Speaker 9: There's a deeper meaning, and you're expressing concerns that maybe other people don't have but should have, you know, things that we should all be be concerned about and worried about. So underneath that that sort of that catchy, fun vibe, there's a there's a real serious message there. And I'm noticing with both of these songs, that's kind of the through line between them, Right, they're both catchy and fun, but if you're paying attention, if you're paying attention to the lyrics, there's some very important messaging underneath that.

12:18 Speaker 16: Yeah, that's definitely what I've been trying to do.

12:20 Speaker 17: I feel a lot of the time, if you have kind of a serious message and partner it with serious, gloomy music, people might just skip on. But if you can't put this serious message with some a bit more catchy and up be it'll make people hopefully like, want to keep listening to it and then because of that understand the lyrics and the meaning behind it.

12:41 Speaker 9: Mm hmmmm. Is that important to you as an artist, because I mean, I'm sure that you know if you wanted to, and maybe you will in the future, maybe maybe you'll have a song that that really is just kind of catchy and fun and it's and that's all it is. It's just like a catchy, fun sing along anthem or something. But is it is it really like, is it something that you do deliberately when you write these songs, you deliberately and intentionally put something serious underneath. Is that important to you as an artist?

13:11 Speaker 16: Yeah, it definitely is.

13:13 Speaker 17: I've got quite a mixed obviously, not the ones that are out now, but I've got some coming out that are just kind of fun, catchy. I've got one called X Business, which is just about like saying screw you to your X pretty much, and a few like that. But then I've also got these two and then my next song that's coming out that's called look at Me Now, And it's not quite as on a big scale as in it's more involving acceptance as a world. It's more like when people try and put you down, but your rise up and you're like, look at me now, I'm better than ever.

13:46 Speaker 17: That kind of vibe, and that's going to be a bit rockier. But I think for especially this first EP that I'm releasing my whole theme as I want there to be these big messages within these catchy melodies.

13:58 Speaker 16: The second EP is where it's gonna go a little bit more fun.

14:02 Speaker 9: Okay, so let's talk about that. So the trajectory so you have so you have an e P?

14:08 Speaker 4: Is the EP?

14:10 Speaker 9: Uh finished? The first one?

14:12 Speaker 16: I finished recording them, but they're not out yet. I've only released the first two.

14:16 Speaker 9: Yet now, okay, so but the EP has done. So then what's what's kind of the Do you have an ETA on when the EP will be out?

14:25 Speaker 17: So I'm thinking, let me ever think, yeah, it will be out a little bit, probably early April, late March around that time.

14:36 Speaker 9: Okay, okay, interesting? And then what is it? Five tracks? Six tracks. Yeah it is, it's five five five Okay, very good, very good. It's it's so interesting, how you know, there's so many different ways to release music now in terms of you know, you could put out an EP and then singles, or put out singles and then they coalesce into an EP or or you know, however you choose to do it. There's there's really uh limitless options. But I think the I think these first two are really strong. And then so will there be a third single before the EP or or will you or is the EP the next thing that's coming out or do you know yet?

15:13 Speaker 17: Yeah, so there's going to be another single. It hasn't been announced yet, but it's gonna be in around two.

15:18 Speaker 9: Months time, okay.

15:19 Speaker 16: And that's look at me now that I was just talking about.

15:21 Speaker 17: Okay, and then we thought we want to wait until after Christmas because I think it gets a bit too busy then for people to bother about new music.

15:30 Speaker 16: So probably January ish. I was well wrong when I said April January ish.

15:35 Speaker 17: Okay, I'm gonna we're gonna put out like the whole EPA with the last two songs.

15:41 Speaker 9: Okay, excellent, and then so but you're already talking about the next EP too. You you mentioned the next one, So what's what's your plan for the next one? Is the next one? Because I think you said the next EP that you do is gonna be a little bit different.

15:55 Speaker 17: Yeah, So the next one is like a concept EP, so it's all about kind of this relationship journey. So the first song on it is called why Do I Like You? And it's all about liking this bad boy and not wanting.

16:10 Speaker 16: To but you can't help it. That's the very poppy song, quite Cynthie.

16:15 Speaker 17: Then you've got one called real Life, which is one of my rocky tracks, and that's about you're with this bad boy but you don't like.

16:23 Speaker 16: It anymore, you want to get out.

16:26 Speaker 17: Then you've got track three, which is called Sorry. At this point you've broken up and he's trying to get you back and you're saying sorry, but it's not going to happen. Then you've got exp Business, which is a very upbeat one. It's quite jazzy, and that one is very similar to Sorry in the theme, but this time you're with a new boyfriend and you're saying go away, stop bothering me. And then the final song on that one. I'm currently writing it, and that's going to be you're with your new boyfriend and you're really happy.

16:57 Speaker 9: Oh okay, well so I was happy. I mean, no, that's cool. So you've got a whole you've got a whole story planned out. That's uh, that's excellent. That's excellent. Yeah. Yeah, And you're thinking ahead, you're thinking long term, which is cool. And I think we might have talked about this too that before when you were on the show, because you know, a lot of times a lot of artists, you know, especially when they're when they're young in their career, you know, they they just kind of throw a lot of stuff against the wall and see what sticks.

17:22 Speaker 9: And there's nothing wrong with doing that because sometimes sometimes that's your only option if you if you're if you don't have a long term plan, you don't have a plan, and sometimes figuring out a plan is just trying different things and seeing what works. But you've really got a thought out plan, and uh, and I think that's I think that's great. Is that important to you to have a sense of certainty about where you're going and what you're doing and how you're going to approach this? Is that important to you as an artist.

17:50 Speaker 16: Yeah, I think it's.

17:51 Speaker 17: It's definitely very important because especially I've seen my brother is three years older than me, and he's been doing music since he was forty and he's twenty now, so I've seen him do everything, and I know how important it is to have these release plans and knowing exactly what's happening when in order to try and be successful.

18:09 Speaker 9: Yeah, that's right. I remember you mentioning your brother too. Does he refresh my memory now? And of course newer listeners who might not have heard our previous conversation. Is he involved in the production of your music?

18:21 Speaker 16: So he is in a few of the songs.

18:22 Speaker 17: Yeah, I've got a mix of him and three of my mates from college who all play different guitar and bass parts, because I write the songs and I can kind of just about play a bit of guitar and piano, but I'm not very good at it, so I get them to play it when I'm recording them.

18:38 Speaker 9: Okay, gotcha? Gotcha? And what happens in terms of live do you do you play these out? Have you performed any of these songs live?

18:48 Speaker 17: So generally, when I've been performing my songs live. My brother's been around and he's played the songs in the background.

18:54 Speaker 9: Cool.

18:54 Speaker 17: But now as I'm recording the songs, I'm actually getting back in tracks for.

18:59 Speaker 16: Them as well.

19:00 Speaker 17: I just hit my vocals off, so I'm nearly at the point where I could do a full set.

19:03 Speaker 16: We just back in tracks.

19:06 Speaker 17: But behind the scenes, which is all top secret, I'm actually rehearsing with the band of Summer, my mates from college, and we're putting together a show for my eighteenth birthday next year in April. But it's all very secret we're doing. I'm going to release it in December. The tickets.

19:24 Speaker 9: Oh oh, very cool, very cool. Yeah, So I don't know how much more you can say about it, but I all right, well I'll ask you the question, and if you don't want to answer, I'll respect that. But but but are you planning to play the full EP?

19:39 Speaker 4: I am?

19:40 Speaker 9: Yeah, okay, both EPs? Okay, awesome? Oh, very cool, very cool. All right, we'll have to have you back on before that happens, so we can we can get the update or if it's still a secret at that point, we'll see what more information we can get out of you.

19:54 Speaker 16: But two singles time and it'll all be out there.

19:58 Speaker 9: Well, we got to have when the next thing comes out too, we'll have to have you back on for that too, because you know, we're we're fans. We like what you're doing. So now, and so your brother, and tell me again, is he does he have a band currently?

20:12 Speaker 16: He doesn't currently have about it?

20:14 Speaker 5: No?

20:14 Speaker 9: No, okay, okay, because I remember you talking a little bit about him too. Did you come from a musical family? Like, are your parents also musicians?

20:23 Speaker 16: Not all, but they love music.

20:25 Speaker 17: They've like blasted music in the house all the time since I was tiny, and my grandma is a singer, so we think he might have come from my grandma.

20:34 Speaker 9: Yeah. Well, also to just having obviously if they're if your parents, even if they're not musicians, but if they're very into music, I'm sure they're very supportive of what you're doing and that that can make a huge difference, you know, especially when you're starting out in your career, you know, having a family that really supports you and is uh, you know, encouraging you, you know, because sometimes you know, some some families don't necessarily encourage their kids. You know, they'll say, they'll say, oh, what do you want to do this.

21:00 Speaker 9: You know, you should be more focused on whatever it is they think you should be doing. But you know, and they might not take it seriously. You know, we've all heard those stories of you know, the parents who were like, don't, don't, don't, don't do that, don't play in a band, don't make music. You know, just focus on school, focus on whatever. But I think if I remember correctly, though, are you in school now? Are you in college?

21:21 Speaker 5: Yeah?

21:21 Speaker 17: I'm in college, so over here that's ages sixteen to eighteen, okay, And I'm.

21:27 Speaker 16: Doing these things called A levels.

21:28 Speaker 17: I'm not sure if you know about them, but pretty much I've got to get through them under B tech.

21:34 Speaker 16: It's all sounded very confusing, but I've got to get through a.

21:37 Speaker 17: Few tests at the end of next year, so it'll be summer next year, and then I'm hoping to go to university, which is you do three years in UNI and then you can hopefully get this fantasy certificate and get a job.

21:51 Speaker 9: Do you know yet? And I only ask because you know, I know you're a long term planner, Like, do you plan to study music when you go to Universe?

22:01 Speaker 13: No?

22:01 Speaker 16: I don't. I'm planning to do market in and digital advertizing.

22:06 Speaker 9: Well, that's also very useful in the music industry certainly, so you know, so it sounds like I mean, actually that might even be more helpful to you in terms of your music career, you know, than you know, studying a lot of music theory and all that, like, you know, learning the marketing, especially, you know, in the era that we live in where you know, I'm old enough to remember when it was you know, a pre inter Yeah, I'm Generation X, you know, I'm the last generation to grow up without the Internet.

22:34 Speaker 9: So I've seen everything change so much, and I think it's more important and beneficial now than ever to really understand marketing as an artist, because it's not like when you know, you get signed to a label and they just do everything for you and all you have to worry about is show up and play and record or whatever.

22:51 Speaker 4: It is.

22:52 Speaker 9: Like now, the more control that you can have over your own marketing and distribution and social media all of it. The more control that you can have, I think, the better off you are long term. And like I said, you know, you're obviously a long term planner, so so I think that's a great direction for you to go. Actually, I think I think that'll be very very useful to you, you know, and and something to fall back on too. That gives you, you know, you'll be able to, you know, get a job anywhere you want really with with that kind of background.

23:22 Speaker 9: So I think that's great.

23:24 Speaker 16: There's so many jobs in that industry that I can go into.

23:28 Speaker 17: And then I think on the side, probably Friday Saturday evenings, I've got to pubs and do gigs there, so I'd still always have music.

23:34 Speaker 9: There you go, Yeah, there you go. Absolutely, I think that's a great I think that's a great direction to go. Well, Lydia. We appreciate you joining us again. Love the new single, and in a moment we're going to play turn this Town Around and we'll kind of we'll cap off the segment with that. But I want to make sure our listeners know where should they go online to keep up with everything that you're doing. Where's the best place to go online?

23:57 Speaker 17: So mostly on Instagram under do you ready music ready spelled R E D D.

24:03 Speaker 16: Why that's on Instagram.

24:05 Speaker 17: But I do also have a Facebook account, but that's private at the moment because it won't let me change it until I'm eighteen, and it's the same with my TikTok account, but I can accept people to go onto.

24:14 Speaker 9: Those Oh okay, okay, excellent.

24:17 Speaker 16: Well yeah, my Instagram's fully public.

24:19 Speaker 9: Lindia Ady Music okay, okay, very good. And before we let you go on, before we play this track, remind us again again for listeners who might not have heard our previous conversation about turn this town around? What what are you? What are you expressing with this song? I'll let you. I mean I kind of talked about it, but in your own words, what are you? What are you addressing with this?

24:39 Speaker 17: So this song, let's put it in easy terms, just kind of like looking after the world and looking after each other as much as you can do.

24:48 Speaker 9: Yep, yep, no, perfectly said. Absolutely well, Lydia. Ready, thank you so much. Always wonderful to talk with you. I look forward to I look forward to the next single and hopefully we can give it the americ Can Radio premiere here on this side of the pond when it's ready. So look forward to speaking to you again. And we're gonna hit it. We're gonna hit this track. We'll let you go for now. But thanks Lydia, great, thank you. Seeleia, you got it bye bye, all right. That is Lydia Ready, and if you missed it, we played at the beginning of our conversation her newest single, The Way We're Rolling, which is which is great, but we might we might sneak it in again at the end of the show today because I really do like that song very much.

25:27 Speaker 9: But we're also gonna play this to end our conversation and then Jenny and I will be back on the other side of this with uh, We've got another very interesting music industry news story to share with you. But here it is. This is Turned This Town Around. This is the first single and by the way, we were the first American radio station to play this from Lydia Ready.

25:55 Speaker 10: What's that sound? What's that sounded?

25:58 Speaker 13: Home?

25:58 Speaker 5: A bunstn mixie scream and shout Hannah, turn this town around?

26:05 Speaker 10: Stop and look this way.

26:08 Speaker 5: I made some insufficients. What I see is what I say. And this here's a travesty. The earth are trying to now and you don't see the tragedy. It's all blurring all it's one and die sup blinded. We think it's typical, but that's just cause we's so shallow.

26:24 Speaker 10: My dad, what that sound? What set sound?

26:27 Speaker 5: Get out of my way or burns down, Mixie and scream and shout, and I turn.

26:33 Speaker 7: This town around.

26:35 Speaker 10: Pee everywhere.

26:38 Speaker 5: If your parts and nurture and to care for this world of us, I believe the earth will no longer fall upont we can glue it all back tog and find a piece of less forever.

26:55 Speaker 16: What that sounds?

26:57 Speaker 5: Sound my way or burns down? Maxie in scream and show, pan out, turn this town round?

27:05 Speaker 7: What's it sound? What's it sound?

27:07 Speaker 8: And get out my way of burns down?

27:10 Speaker 7: Pxie and scream.

27:11 Speaker 5: And shower, pan out on the town around.

27:19 Speaker 10: What's it town?

27:22 Speaker 5: That's just because you.

27:23 Speaker 10: Turn this town round? What's it sound?

27:33 Speaker 7: What's it sound? What's it sound?

27:36 Speaker 4: Get out a way of burns down.

27:38 Speaker 5: Baxie and scream and shower, and I'll turn this town around.

27:43 Speaker 7: What's it sound? What's it sound?

27:45 Speaker 11: Get out my way of burns down, Makesie in scream and shout, and alto on this town round.

28:04 Speaker 9: That is Lydia ready, turn this town around. And this is Matt Connorton unleashed and we are alive. From the studios of WM and H ninety five point three FM and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire, and thank you again to Lydia for joining us today. And we did feature earlier. Yeah, we played the way we're rolling her newest single earlier in the show. We might we might cap off today's show with that one more time. We'll see, we'll see how how the rest of the hour goes. But uh, if you are joining us live on Saturday.

28:31 Speaker 9: Today is September twentieth, twenty twenty five, and we've got actually, Jenny found a couple of interesting music industry stories. But this is from Billboard dot com. This this just happened. And this also relates to a subject that we've discussed many times on the show. Klan like this Klanie slams Ai artist Zania or Zannia Moneta. It's x A N I A So I guess that's Zania Zannia Monet getting a three million dollar record deal. This is so beyond out of control, the musician told fans. Now, I don't know anything about this.

29:08 Speaker 9: This is the first time hearing about this is I didn't think there there even was such a thing as a three million dollar record deal anymore. I didn't I thought that was a thing of the past. But so I don't understand. Let's we'll go through this here again. This is from billboard dot Com. A few days ago, Billboard broke the news that an AI generated artist, Zania Monet, had signed a multimillion dollar record deal after meeting with multiple labels.

29:35 Speaker 4: This sounds very they thought over this person. It sounds like, yeah, but not person. It's not a person.

29:41 Speaker 9: And by the way, but even that's one thing about this is so strange. But the other thing that's so strange to me is a story about a new artist having multiple meetings with various labels to and this bidding war that that that sounds like something from thirty years ago. That doesn't sound like something that even happens in twenty twenty five. So that part's also strange to me. Everything about this is weird. Are we in an alternate universe?

30:04 Speaker 4: An artist I use that term loosely, who did all of their music.

30:09 Speaker 9: With Sunio, Yeah, which is the app that we use Suno, which is the app that we use yea Yeah.

30:14 Speaker 4: Sorry, I don't know why I said I.

30:16 Speaker 9: Know why because the other, the other big one is Udio. So I think in your mind you created an amalgam of Suno and Udio and created Sudio. Yeah, I mean maybe maybe someday they'll merge and that'll be the new name.

30:27 Speaker 4: The creator is claiming the art. The lyrics are theirs, Yeah, but they use Suno to make the music. Yeah, so the music is obviously not theirs.

30:38 Speaker 9: Yeah, it says here. In a recent TikTok, the singer songwriter Kalani shared their thoughts on how Wood Media reportedly shelling out three million dollars to sign the fictive musician, whose quote persona is operated behind the scenes by writer Talisia Nicki Jones, despite copyright concerns previously by other major labels um so, A frustrated sounding Kilani told followers, without directly mentioning Monet or Jones, quote, there is an AI, R and B artist who just signed a multimillion dollar deal and the person is doing none of the work.

31:19 Speaker 9: This is so beyond out of control unquote.

31:22 Speaker 4: It's wrong. It's wrong. It's wrong. It's wrong. They're using other people's music to create it. Suno uses everybody else's music to learn from. So if you're going there with your lyrics to quote make music, you're making music from other artists. Really it's not coming out of your brain, but artistry comes out of your brain.

31:42 Speaker 9: But I also don't understand the most like this. But the most mind benning thing to me about this is again, I don't like, why is somebody paying three million dollars for this?

31:50 Speaker 4: Because apparently these songs are going up the jar?

31:53 Speaker 9: But so what even even if they are, you don't pay in the year twenty twenty five, why would anyone pay three million dollars for to anybody for anything?

32:02 Speaker 4: Apparently this was a big deal. They had this big, giant zoom meeting with all the executives, and this is bizarre to close this deal with the person what was I I can't remember what that person's name is. Who created Zaniamneh who is not a human being?

32:19 Speaker 9: But what am I missing about? I mean, like, yeah, I mean, and I know the AI part is so stop heard, but I'm still stuck on the other part of this. Like, honestly, if you took this story and you took the AI part out of it, and you just told me there was this new artist named zaniamone who who had all these meetings and just got offered a three million dollar record deal, a brand new artists brand new artist. I've never even heard of it. Even if you took the AI part completely out of the story, I would still be sitting here going, what in the year five they're charting?

32:51 Speaker 4: That's why.

32:52 Speaker 9: But even that shouldn't matter.

32:54 Speaker 4: What greed talks buck up like this. They don't care. They can make a dollar, they'll do it. But how are they gonna make money? Like they're gonna make merch maybe? I guess where do they make money these days? It's downloads? Aren't the way nobody gets three? So what is in the deal though, Like, what exactly is in the deal? Obviously this artist can't go perform anywhere. There's no concerts for fictictional character unless they make a hologram.

33:24 Speaker 9: Well unless the author who created this character is going to do to do that, I don't know.

33:27 Speaker 4: Well if they were gonna do that, when they do that themselves to begin with, I'm assuming that they can't perform the way that their fake version can perform.

33:37 Speaker 9: I guess yeah, on a computer.

33:39 Speaker 4: It can't perform. Outside of a computer. You can't go to get tickets and go see them live unless it's a holograph. I don't think we Well, we got those in Vegas, but they're not everywhere yet.

33:49 Speaker 9: Well you can't though, I mean if if if if she can sing and.

33:53 Speaker 4: She's if you know she can sing, if I just hire if.

33:56 Speaker 9: You can hire a band to learn the songs, or you just play back in tracks or whatever.

34:00 Speaker 4: But that's not what they're saying. That's not what that. They didn't sign her, They signed the fictitional character. Yeah, so it's got to be like merch and stuff like that.

34:10 Speaker 9: Yes, that's a lot of money for I don't like it, really.

34:16 Speaker 4: I actually am kind of shocked by it all because I didn't think that the music industry will legitimize it in this way, and now that they have, I don't like it. I don't like it.

34:29 Speaker 9: I don't like it, assess. Here at the vocalist, Kilani went on emphasize the power of AI to create fully formed songs out of thin air, without users having to credit anyone involved in making the countless copyrighted works on which such generative music systems are trained to craft. Monet's music, Jones used Suna, which is the same app that we we full disclosure. We played with we played with it on the air, we did experiments, we we created tracks about me becoming victorious in my long running feud with MC hammer.

35:01 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm not saying it's not fun to play with, but to reward it, to pay for it, to legitimize it in the music industry as a valid.

35:15 Speaker 9: I don't know.

35:16 Speaker 4: I've also there too, real Bless of Blood Humans.

35:20 Speaker 9: I've also used it full disclosure. I've used it to create theme music for a couple of podcasts, Tough Bumps and UH. And I even made a song for the The AF the podcast only version of this show, although I'm not really I kind of changed my mind about the song I chose but that I created with Suno. But anyway, it doesn't matter. But okay, So to craft Money's music, Jones used Suno, though her manager Rommel Murphy emphasized to Billboard that his client personally writes all the original lyrics that monet quote unquote.

35:55 Speaker 4: But not the music. And I argue that it's not with copyright infringement because every piece of music this thing used to create it, it learned from a human being. It didn't come out of thin air. It came out of a human mind that it stuck into a computer and spit this out right. So is that really not using somebody else's work, because I don't think it is. You're using everybody else's work to train it, and then it pulls from a thousand artists to make this song. Well, that's a thousand different artists' input that got into that song.

36:30 Speaker 4: It's not royalty free, y'all happy? Gee? Look at like. I don't like the way the article comes across. It's like, oh, this is all that section you read about it being like royalty free, and they can create that just I.

36:47 Speaker 9: Don't like it, it says here. Billboard has reached out to Jones's rep for comment. Kilani certainly isn't the only person in the industry with objections to Monet's deal. Sources previously told Billboard that several major labels had also been in talks with Jones, but ultimately walked away with respect to their collaborative copyright lawsuit against Suno last year. Yeah, there's a there's a lawsuit. The labels are suing Suno.

37:15 Speaker 4: That's what. So why are somebody signing this person.

37:19 Speaker 9: Well, the company signing them isn't involved in that lawsuit obviously, But but that's why I tell people too, because you know, we we use Suno. I use sun know for some stuff. If you are using these uh these these uh large learning models like sun enjoy it while you have it, because the sharks are circling just so you know. Okay, I don't know.

37:44 Speaker 4: I don't think it's gonna I think that. I don't think.

37:46 Speaker 9: I don't think it's gonna go Yeah, oh I agree, but yeah. The basis of the lawsuit is that Suno allegedly infringed upon the copyright of the label's catalogs by using pre existing works to train its technology. The company disagrees with this characterization, arguing that its users are actually making entirely original works via fair use of the music in its database.

38:08 Speaker 4: Okay, but that's saying the same thing in a different sentence. You just said this fair use is a very loosely used term.

38:16 Speaker 9: In that sentence, I think, I think, well that's but well that's the argument that the company that signed er is making now there and so for people who don't know, so, fair use is when you're using someone else's material. But but but you're using it in a transformative.

38:31 Speaker 4: Way or educational way.

38:34 Speaker 9: So for example, if if you if you watch YouTube videos, you know, because people make reaction videos, especially you know in political uh uh YouTube. So for example, if you're commenting on on something on somebody else's video, you're using someone else's content and you're playing it and you're commenting on it as you do it. We had even recently discussed doing that with someone, but we decided not to because we don't want some and making angry phone calls to certain people. But that type of thing where you're using somebody else's content but you're commenting on it as you play it on your own channel, that's an example of fair use.

39:10 Speaker 9: The reason podcasters on YouTube are able to do that kind of thing is because it's transformative. They're taking they're using someone else's content to create their own content from that as they comment on it. And that's why those podcasters are protected.

39:23 Speaker 4: Huge difference because the material they're using, they're using it, it's still associated, it's still identified as the original. You're playing it, but it's the original. You know, it's the person speaking, is that person not them?

39:38 Speaker 9: That's a good point.

39:38 Speaker 4: They're not taking all of that and creating something. It's not that right, you know, this is literally this is like I read every VC Andrews book and then I write a VC Andrews book because I read all of her books and just gurgitated out her own style wording continued her story. Isn't that still her story? It's still her story. I'm I'm playing in her world. It's not like it's one thing to do.

40:09 Speaker 9: I mean, if you took the characters and made all basically yeah, well that would be then you'd be violating her intellectual property.

40:16 Speaker 4: Well, how are you not violating a musician's intellectual property when you're stealing the notes off of a page instead of the words off of a page.

40:26 Speaker 9: Now that just to play Devil's advocate. You know my counter argument, and you've heard me say this before. And by the way, at the end of the day, I will always argue on behalf of artists that we've got to talk about and protecting artists, And you know obviously where I come from. I think everyone understands that. But the the counter argument, and I do think it's a decent counter argument. So again I'm playing Devil's advocate. But when we talk about these large learning models sucking up all this information and then and then being able to create from it, if I how is that different from necessarily the human.

41:00 Speaker 9: So if I sit down and I write a song any way, well let me just finish my thought. Though again I'm playing Devil's out here, but let me just finish my thought. If I'm sitting down and I'm writing something, anything that I write is informed and influenced by all the music that I've previously heard in my lifetime up to that moment. So therefore, how is that different?

41:24 Speaker 4: Because you are a human being using your mind, not a computer that can memorize everything verbatim, every signature, stamp, every note, every everything, every dissonance and replicate that precisely. You are a human. You cannot do that, right, You as a human can interpret what you hear, what you see, what you feel, and then reinterpret that into artistry. That's what artists do, right. You take a story, something that's pointed to you, You take a paint brush and you scart that around. That is you interpreting the world around you into that canvas.

41:54 Speaker 4: Right, same thing a musician does, interpreting the world and putting it down on a sheet music. That's unique.

42:01 Speaker 9: Yeah.

42:01 Speaker 4: You taking all the knowledge that somebody gives you, go to college for ten years, you take all that knowledge to write something that's you as a human being, creating something out of your own mind. It's not picture perfect pages in a computer that can literally just that's not creation, that's gluing stuff together.

42:23 Speaker 9: Just very quick, yeah, yeah, just very quickly. I'm looking on YouTube. I just want to hear something from.

42:30 Speaker 4: I Will Live.

42:31 Speaker 9: I'm like, what, what could somebody possibly be paying? See I'm still stuck on that part. What could somebody be paying three million dollars for? Okay?

42:38 Speaker 4: So, uh, what's the going rate for artists these days?

42:43 Speaker 9: So it's not that, let's see Okay, Okay, So I found the YouTube page Xanny moon A. All right, I'm just gonna play this first song that pops up. Looks like this is the newest single. It's called back when Love Was Real? All right, this is the lyric video here. Let me it's probably an ad first, let me see. I'm just curious, like, what what could this be?

43:10 Speaker 18: M M, I want that back in the day kind of loving live stream. It was fell inside. It's no text, no ma nightiest, just loyalty and a little bit of respect. Before everybody knew.

43:35 Speaker 7: Your business, Before who.

43:38 Speaker 2: You Live turns suspicious?

43:40 Speaker 11: Before the GPS and the past.

43:43 Speaker 9: Words to love a simple just me you take me back.

43:50 Speaker 7: When love was real.

43:52 Speaker 9: I almost feel like she's trolling all of us with those lyrics.

43:55 Speaker 4: It doesn't sound any different from stuff you've created, and I don't think it does, right.

44:00 Speaker 9: Yeah, I don't get a few words in there, don't. I don't get it like this, This so many not okay.

44:06 Speaker 4: I'm not okay with this. You know this is wrong. It's a huge difference between human creation and computer creation. We humans don't have the ability to photo have a photographic memory of every single word note you know what I mean, every breath of the in a nation where's there's so much to what an artist does as a human.

44:29 Speaker 9: Although that does well, that raises a question though, what if what if an artist has a photographic memory? Should they but you're not gonna should they not make music?

44:36 Speaker 4: That's different at.

44:41 Speaker 9: Photographic memories. That's you're a human.

44:43 Speaker 4: But you're a human. You're still using everything that you've got to create something out of your own brain. It's not like a computer literally taking ones and zeros and realigning the ones and zeros and spitting it back at you, which is what I feel like it's doing. You're taking everybodybody else's music, here's your ones and zeros, rearrange it, spit it back out. That's not what a human being does. A human being takes life, experience, thought, feeling, passion, emotion, all of that, everything they've learned, they've been around, musicians, whatever, and then create out of that.

45:17 Speaker 4: Yeah, big difference between rearranging it and creation.

45:22 Speaker 9: Justin Michaels is in the chat room. You know, he's a very loyal listener and supporter of actually all the programming that we're involved in. And he says, so you can you can use AI and get signed. Now, Wow, that's what I'm saying, right, we just found this out And he said, Matt, look out for Skynett.

45:41 Speaker 4: I think we've already gotten there at this point. Yeah, but it is it isn't right, It's not okay with me. Yeah, And you're never going to see this artist for in real life ever, they're not existent. You could see somebody pretending to be them, but you will never see them because they don't exist. It only exists in a computer.

46:03 Speaker 9: Well, let's move on from that because I just want to get this other story. But this also deals with you know, because I'm always fascinated by anything to do with copyright, intellectual property, all of that is, trademarks, all of that is very fascinating to me. Obviously, I did not go to law school, but if I had the type of law that I would probably be practicing would have to do with all that, I'd probably be an entertainment lawyer because these things are so interesting to me. But this is another story that you sent me.

46:29 Speaker 9: This is from pitchfork dot com. Neil Young has been sued by Chrome Hearts Fashion over his band's new name. And by the way, I didn't even know that Neil Young had a new band, you know. I just think of him as a solo artist, of course.

46:44 Speaker 4: But I didn't know there was a fashion called Chrome I didn't either Chrome Heart the Chrome Hearts.

46:50 Speaker 9: The Los Angeles company is not happy about the existence of Neil Young and the Chrome Hearts, so says here. Last year, Neil Young began to play shows with a new backing band that he called The Chrome Hearts. Then in June, Neil Young and the Chrome Hearts featuring Young, Micah Nelson, Corey McCormick, Anthony legerfo orligerfo and Spooner Old Him released their debut album Taken to the Trees I'm Sorry Talking to the Trees. Now, Young and his bandmates are being sued by the la fashion brand Chrome Hearts for trademark infringement.

47:29 Speaker 9: Chrome Hearts LLC filed its complaint in a California federal court on Thursday, September eleventh. The lawsuit was first reported by Billboard. In the complaint obtained by Pitchfork, lawyers for Chrome Hearts outline the brand's ownership quote of the Chrome Heart's word mark and composite trademarks comprising the Chrome Hearts mark and design components unquote, dating back to nineteen ninety one. They argue that Young and his bandmates are infringing upon the brand's trademark by selling Neil Young and the Chrome Heart's merchandise.

48:07 Speaker 9: That quote incorporates the exact Chrome Heart's word mark and thus likely to cause confusion with Chrome Heart's various Chrome Heart marks. The likelihood of confusion is not merely hypothetical. Some clothing and apparel vendors have apparently already mistakenly assumed that there is a connection between Neil Young and the Chrome Hearts and Chrome Hearts and are actively promoting that purported connection. For example, some vendors have started marketing T shirts that prominently display mister Young's name and the Chrome Heart's iconic stylization of the Chrome Heart's mark unquote.

48:47 Speaker 9: I assume, by the way, so what that means is it's using the same font as the Chrome Heart's logo. I have to assume otherwise there would probably be no issue. I wouldn't think.

49:00 Speaker 4: I think you only had to be concerned about another band's name. Yeah, I wouldn't.

49:03 Speaker 9: I mean, it's they're claiming, according to that from the lawsuit that verbi, it's from the lawsuit that it's already causing confusion. I find that heart of belief. If it is causing confusion. If that's true, then I guess that bolster is their case. But I'm a little skeptical. It says here. According to the complaint, Chrome Hearts notified Young's team in July about the alleged trademark infringement, but the band continued to tour under the banner and sell merchandise. Through the lawsuit, Chrome Marts is now requesting that Neil Young and the Chrome Hearts stop using the name.

49:35 Speaker 9: Pitchfork has reached out to representatives for Neil Young and the Cromarts and lawyers for Cromhart's LLC for comment. So there you go. I don't really know what to make of that one.

49:47 Speaker 4: Right, I mean, I always thought it would be different if it's a band, like how is it usually is banned?

49:54 Speaker 11: Like?

49:54 Speaker 4: How is that confusing?

49:55 Speaker 9: Usually if it's make music, if it's completely different industry, then then it usually doesn't end up mattering. But I don't know, I don't know.

50:07 Speaker 4: I mean, does Chrome Hearts I don't know what kind of bass?

50:13 Speaker 9: I doubt it. But maybe maybe they're trying to get some money. Maybe they want maybe they'd like to make a settlement where Neil Young pays X amount of money to sort of license the name Chrome Hearts.

50:23 Speaker 4: Or are they doing this just to get more attention onto their products? Because hey, it makes a great story. That could be talking about it.

50:30 Speaker 9: That could be too Yeah, because I've never even heard of Chromart's and you didn't say.

50:33 Speaker 4: Anything about them sewing for money.

50:34 Speaker 9: Interestingly, well they want them to stop using the name?

50:39 Speaker 4: Is there a cash requestion?

50:40 Speaker 9: There? There there may be a well, like I said, I mean, if they can, if they can come to a settlement, which these things often do. They they more often settle than actually go to court. So they might come to a settlement where they effectively license the name Chrome Hearts to Neil Young it's silly, or or they get a percentage of uh of of revenue generated from Neil Young merchandise which has Chrome Hearts on.

51:06 Speaker 4: If I see Neil Young and the Crohnhearts up at this new arena, I know that that I'm going to be confused and go by clothing.

51:12 Speaker 9: Well that's the thing that would that would be Yeah, that would be a good counter argument to the lawsuit.

51:16 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's not like it's it, and it's not even like they're not even promoting the name separately. It's with Neil Young, So Neil Young and the Chrome Heart. Right, it's not a separate name.

51:26 Speaker 9: Even right, if the band was simply called Chrome Hearts, that would be.

51:30 Speaker 4: Well, even if they are, it's a band, it's not a clothing designer. Yeah, unless their T shirts start making music. I don't hear it, right, I think.

51:41 Speaker 9: I'm saying I'm not sure. I'm a little I I usually draw a pretty fast conclusion with this stuff. I'm a little I'm a little undecided. I'm uncertain of this. Yeah, usually surprises me too. I usually see these things a little bit more cut and dry.

51:59 Speaker 4: But I'm I think stupid.

52:00 Speaker 9: I'm not sure. I'm not sure on this one.

52:02 Speaker 4: I don't see anybody mixing up clothing with and and the only merch they're selling is band related.

52:07 Speaker 9: So yeah, but there's but again from Cromart's position, see, they're gonna argue, yeah, you're right, but what what what kind of merch do you sell that's band related clothing? T shirts, a T shirt st that's the argument they're gonna use. It's not a whole product, it's you know, it'd be one thing if they were just selling CDs, you know, or something. But you're in the same industry, you're selling merch. But see, but that's all but see that, but that's the art. But they are, in a sense, and that's the argument.

52:38 Speaker 4: The same industry. They're in music.

52:40 Speaker 9: Merchandising of clothing. That is the same. And if you're in the music industry, you're in the merch you're in the merchandise industry.

52:47 Speaker 4: You are follows brand clothing like a brand, which I don't, but people who follow brand clothing don't confuse it with musicians. They might get interested in a brand, but they're not gonna confuse it. Oh, I thought you were selling T shirts in here? Why are there so many drums? Like? Come on, that doesn't happen. You don't go to the T shirts, you don't go to Marshal's. Walk over to the rack that's got chrome whatever here and look for Neil Young. It doesn't work that way, right, I'm sorry, I don't No, I hear you.

53:21 Speaker 4: Both of these stories are to me today.

53:25 Speaker 9: I'm just a little bit. I'm just a little bit uncertain. We're gonna have to follow that one closely as it moves forward. No, let's see more to it than very curious.

53:32 Speaker 4: I'm missing or something.

53:34 Speaker 9: Yeah, I'm very curious to see how that ends up. I don't see consumer confusion here. Well, no, but from the from that statement from the lawsuit, it sounds like cromart is saying, there's like confusion within the industry, within the fashion industry, give me a break, because they're getting orders from give me a break, I don't know.

53:52 Speaker 4: And they're getting orders from stupid people that don't know the difference between a musician and clothing designers. I don't think I'm sticking.

53:59 Speaker 9: To it all right, we dug in, we gotta go, we gotta go. Jenny, you want to quickly plug the event we're going to today and your website because you've been up to a lot. Oh and you should mention too in the Union Leader you're.

54:14 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, check out yesterday's Union Leader. I have an opt ed in there if you want to go check it out. And we are going to be leaving here and going to the Great North Aleworks on Whole dav here in the Queen City for the pause and pints, fundraising and just a party a fun come say hi to us. They may greed ta because they have all kinds of great beers. And of course this is raising money that's staying here locally in New Hampshire to take care of animals. And I'm really curious to see what animal one and is gonna be pictured on the can of beer when we get there, So we're gonna check out that.

54:46 Speaker 4: And also just definitely check out the Mosaic Are Collective, also located here in the Queen City. Check out their website. Lots of great things coming up there and as always you can find more information on me and the trouble I get into Good Trouble at Gencoffee dot com, n n C O F f e y dot com.

55:03 Speaker 9: And to keep up with everything I'm doing, my website is Matt connorton dot com. Of course, in addition to the show, we have the podcast only version of the show, the AF version, which is completely separate from the has no association with WM and H. That's something that we do separate from the radio station. But on that version of the show we have some conversations and guests that maybe are not suitable for the format of the radio version of the show, but you can find that in the podcast feed.

55:28 Speaker 9: You know, wherever you find Matt Connorton Unleashed in your your podcast platform of choice, you can you can also find the other version of the show we just did one Thursday night with our friend Brandon LeMay, which I suggest people check out, and also the other podcasts that we have Going Hanging Left and Tough Bumps. We'll have new episodes of those up soon as well, so Matt connorton dot com. You can find all of that there and thank you again. Of course. In the first hour we had Larry and how do you say his name?

55:55 Speaker 9: I don't want to mispronounce his name.

55:58 Speaker 4: I'm sorry.

56:00 Speaker 9: We have the gentleman from Loud Entertainment here in the first hour, Larie. I can't remember how to say his name correctly. But they've got a big show tonight. They've got a Godsmack and Metallica tribute show happening tonight at Jewel if you want to check that out too, And of course thank you. In the second hour, Matt Axton, who will be at the Rex Theater right here in Manchester on September twenty fourth. We had a great conversation with him and so he'll be coming to Manchester. And of course in the third hour we talked with Lydia.

56:28 Speaker 9: Ready, thank you again, Lydia. We're actually gonna end the show today. We're gonna play this again, her newest single, This is called the Way We're Rolling. I love this very positive, very cool and if you miss any part of today's show, it will be up in just a little bit at wmnhradio dot organ on my website Matt Connorton dot com. And that's going to do it for us.

56:45 Speaker 4: For now.

56:45 Speaker 9: We're out here. We'll talk to y'all a little bit later. Bye everybody, Bye bye.

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