Matt Connarton Unleashed 9-7-24 hour 2

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1:14 Speaker 4: Welcome back everybody. This is Matt Connorton, unleashed we are

1:17 Speaker 4: live from the studios of w M and H on

1:20 Speaker 4: this Saturday morning. You might be hearing Amnesia by John

1:25 Speaker 4: Poussett Dart and we have him, I believe on the

1:28 Speaker 4: phone with us.

1:28 Speaker 5: John, is that you, Hey man, how are you doing?

1:32 Speaker 4: Good? Good, Welcome to the show. It's great to speak

1:35 Speaker 4: with you. I I kind of went down the rabbit

1:37 Speaker 4: hole last night with your music. Obviously, I've always been

1:41 Speaker 4: aware of you, but it's been a long time since

1:43 Speaker 4: I listened to any any of your uh well, first

1:45 Speaker 4: of all, since any Posset Dart band. Uh So that

1:49 Speaker 4: was fun kind of going back and listening to a

1:51 Speaker 4: lot of that stuff. And I also listen to some

1:53 Speaker 4: of your more recent solo material. And I have to say,

1:56 Speaker 4: I really really love a lot of what you're doing.

1:58 Speaker 4: And I'm excited that you're coming to Manchester on the

2:01 Speaker 4: thirteenth to play at the Rex Theater.

2:05 Speaker 1: Yeah.

2:05 Speaker 5: Well, the Rex is a really nice room. We love

2:07 Speaker 5: coming back there.

2:09 Speaker 4: Have you played there quite a bit over the years.

2:12 Speaker 5: We have played, Yes, we have, we have. And the

2:15 Speaker 5: new end it's kind of you know, it's gone to

2:17 Speaker 5: a couple of changes and they've really fixed it up

2:19 Speaker 5: nice now and it's just a really really great listening room.

2:23 Speaker 5: I mean, people really and the audiences are really good

2:25 Speaker 5: and the whole staff who run it are really great folks.

2:28 Speaker 5: So's it's excellent. We yes, we love coming there.

2:31 Speaker 4: Outstanding. Now are you doing? How big of a tour

2:34 Speaker 4: is this? Are you doing quite a few dates?

2:38 Speaker 5: Yeah, this September. We're jumping around quite a bit all

2:40 Speaker 5: through September. It gets quiets down after September, but we're

2:43 Speaker 5: all over We're doing you know, New Hampshire, Massachusetts, Maine, Connecticut.

2:48 Speaker 5: We're moving around quite a bit this month, so that's good.

2:51 Speaker 5: And it's myself and Jim Chaplain, who's I've been playing

2:54 Speaker 5: with now for twenty five years, and we're doing I've

2:57 Speaker 5: been really focusing on kind of coming back to the

2:59 Speaker 5: root of the song's duo, which I really like and

3:03 Speaker 5: it really brings in people close to to the songs

3:06 Speaker 5: and the music. So we're really joying working, you know,

3:10 Speaker 5: in this very kind of intimate environment. So it's really great.

3:12 Speaker 5: And Jim and I have been playing together for a

3:14 Speaker 5: long time, so it's a very we're very tight. It's

3:17 Speaker 5: like he's a brother, you know.

3:19 Speaker 4: Excellent. Now, Jim was not a member of Who's That

3:21 Speaker 4: Dart Band?

3:22 Speaker 5: Correct, not the original band, but he's been a member

3:26 Speaker 5: of the band for twenty five years because the band

3:28 Speaker 5: original band broke up quite quite a way's back. But

3:32 Speaker 5: Jim and I have been playing together now for over

3:34 Speaker 5: twenty five years, and in the band when we were

3:36 Speaker 5: working with the band. But these days we've been, as

3:40 Speaker 5: I mentioned, we're focusing more on just doing a I've

3:42 Speaker 5: been focusing on the acoustic aspect of it just because

3:45 Speaker 5: I really enjoy it. But Jim has been is well known.

3:49 Speaker 5: I mean he's I don't know how if you remember

3:52 Speaker 5: n RBQ and the old but he plays with Al Anderson,

3:54 Speaker 5: who's like one of my favorite guitar players and songwriters,

3:58 Speaker 5: and so we've known each other for a long long time.

4:01 Speaker 5: And uh, he's he's uh he's he's just great.

4:05 Speaker 4: So now on this tour, is it just the two

4:07 Speaker 4: of you? You're just doing it as a duo? Yeah, okay, okay,

4:13 Speaker 4: now you you said so you prefer that?

4:16 Speaker 6: Uh?

4:16 Speaker 4: I mean, is he playing with you the entire set?

4:21 Speaker 7: Yeah?

4:21 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, we do a duo with the whole show

4:23 Speaker 5: is duo?

4:24 Speaker 4: Oh very good?

4:24 Speaker 5: So so you know, I and allows me to kind

4:27 Speaker 5: of really open up and carry down the root of

4:29 Speaker 5: the songs and then and we we trade off. It's

4:31 Speaker 5: like we're very it's very seamless how it's kind of

4:34 Speaker 5: worked out together. But but it's it's just, uh, it's

4:37 Speaker 5: just kind of nice feel, and it brings the songs

4:40 Speaker 5: right to the root of where they are, so it's

4:41 Speaker 5: very uh, you know, you really get the core of

4:43 Speaker 5: what it brings. And it also I find uh, you know,

4:47 Speaker 5: having done both, I like enjoy the band, but when

4:50 Speaker 5: you're playing with the band, it kind of pushes it.

4:51 Speaker 5: You know, it puts you, what, it's a little further

4:53 Speaker 5: away from you, whereas when you're acoustic in this setting,

4:56 Speaker 5: it really allows an intimacy. It allows the audience to

4:59 Speaker 5: come up really kind of get in close and bring

5:02 Speaker 5: the songs up very in a very kind of warm way.

5:05 Speaker 5: So I really enjoy it.

5:07 Speaker 4: Do you ever play with a full band at this

5:09 Speaker 4: point or do you always do? I mean, since boos

5:12 Speaker 4: had Dart band broke up, how long was that band together?

5:18 Speaker 4: Not not that long?

5:19 Speaker 5: Right, Well, we were together in the seventies and into

5:23 Speaker 5: the early eighties, and then the industry really kind of

5:26 Speaker 5: took a big shift at that point, and that's when

5:30 Speaker 5: we left Capital and we've done We've got a long

5:34 Speaker 5: tour and then disbanded after this very long tour across

5:37 Speaker 5: the country, and the whole nature of radio and record

5:42 Speaker 5: really went to a shift. It was kind of during

5:44 Speaker 5: the period when the disco and techno stuff really hit

5:49 Speaker 5: the country, yep. And and when we were with Capital

5:54 Speaker 5: at that point, there was a band called the Nac

5:55 Speaker 5: that turned in my Sharona, and the labels really just

5:59 Speaker 5: changed their whole emphasis and direction and so a lot

6:03 Speaker 5: of rosters really shifted around that period of time, and

6:07 Speaker 5: so it was almost kind of the end of an era.

6:10 Speaker 5: And it wasn't really until kind of the beginning of

6:13 Speaker 5: the nineties when when the female artists kind of came

6:16 Speaker 5: back into the picture that I felt like kind of

6:19 Speaker 5: really kind of reconnecting. And it was because it was

6:21 Speaker 5: it was the whole that whole ere in the eighties

6:23 Speaker 5: was a kind of a bizarre period of time musically.

6:27 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's interesting. A lot of people when they go

6:31 Speaker 4: through that, I just know from interviewing people when they

6:34 Speaker 4: go through something like that where they've been on a

6:36 Speaker 4: major label and then you know, it kind of like

6:38 Speaker 4: you said, there's a shift, right, and then they get

6:41 Speaker 4: kind of at the end of it, they're kind of

6:43 Speaker 4: exhausted by it all, and they and they step away entirely,

6:47 Speaker 4: and it sounds like, so did you take a break.

6:49 Speaker 4: It sounds like you took a bit of a break

6:51 Speaker 4: after that.

6:53 Speaker 5: Well, yeah, we did. I mean the whole there was

6:55 Speaker 5: a big shift in terms of the whole picture. In

6:57 Speaker 5: other words, I left, we left capital, I left management,

7:02 Speaker 5: and at that point, I actually I moved. I moved

7:05 Speaker 5: to a different area, and then I moved from I

7:08 Speaker 5: lived in Rockport at the end of the seventies, and

7:11 Speaker 5: then I moved to New York and started doing when

7:14 Speaker 5: the band broke up, and I started doing a lot

7:16 Speaker 5: of session work, and so I got involved with singing

7:18 Speaker 5: and doing a lot of session work in the city,

7:20 Speaker 5: which kind of kept me very active, but in a

7:21 Speaker 5: kind of in a different name. It was more more

7:24 Speaker 5: revolving around television and different things that were and writing

7:28 Speaker 5: for different venues rather than just record and so I

7:32 Speaker 5: got really involved in that through the eighties, which was

7:36 Speaker 5: great because I worked with a ton of people and

7:38 Speaker 5: I had a lot of and I actually had a

7:39 Speaker 5: lot of different bands then, but there were different players.

7:42 Speaker 5: It was a different bunch of guys playing, you know,

7:45 Speaker 5: it was it was it wasn't the original band, but

7:48 Speaker 5: the original band, all the original guys, Troy and Curtis

7:51 Speaker 5: and I are all in touch, like we speak to

7:54 Speaker 5: each other regularly, and we're all still you know, everybody's

7:56 Speaker 5: kind of gone off in different directions as happens. Yeah,

8:00 Speaker 5: because really, when you were with a band like we were,

8:02 Speaker 5: we were a family. I mean, it's like being married.

8:04 Speaker 5: You know, it's like a marriage, you know, and when

8:06 Speaker 5: the marriage breaks up, you know, you everybody kind of

8:09 Speaker 5: goes off in different directions. But we're still very very

8:12 Speaker 5: close and I love those guys yearly, and we stayed

8:15 Speaker 5: very much in touch.

8:16 Speaker 4: That's really good to hear, because, as you know, so

8:19 Speaker 4: often that's not the outcome. You know, very very often

8:24 Speaker 4: it's it's, you know, people don't talk to each other anymore,

8:27 Speaker 4: there's there's some sort of weird grudge between musicians who've

8:31 Speaker 4: been in a band.

8:32 Speaker 5: That wasn't the case. Yeah, that wasn't the case with

8:34 Speaker 5: that's because it was more just the business that changed.

8:36 Speaker 5: It wasn't. It wasn't it wasn't interpersonal. It was more

8:39 Speaker 5: just uh, you know, we really worked hard and we

8:42 Speaker 5: you know, we broke the top forty and then it didn't.

8:44 Speaker 5: It didn't. You know, it's just for a number of reasons.

8:47 Speaker 5: There were a lot of decisions that were made that

8:49 Speaker 5: were kind of speculative that we weren't very happy about

8:52 Speaker 5: choice of singles and the directions of the labels you know,

8:55 Speaker 5: chose that kind of affected the whole picture. And so

8:58 Speaker 5: there was a little bit of dis franchisement with kind

9:01 Speaker 5: of what had happened on that level. Because the record

9:04 Speaker 5: business is such a wacky business. People have no idea

9:07 Speaker 5: how crazy the record business was back then. Yeah, so

9:10 Speaker 5: it was like really a different animal, you know.

9:13 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's still pretty crazy in a lot of ways.

9:15 Speaker 4: We talk about it a lot on this on this program.

9:18 Speaker 4: But so when you got back in so that was

9:22 Speaker 4: during the nineties when you started really kind of focusing

9:25 Speaker 4: on your solo career and playing out and all of that.

9:28 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, what yeah, Yes, what happened is I was

9:31 Speaker 5: actually in New York and we were playing the Loan

9:33 Speaker 5: Star with the New York band who I was playing

9:35 Speaker 5: with John McCurry and Chris Bishop and some really great

9:39 Speaker 5: session players. John McCurry is one of my favorite guitar

9:41 Speaker 5: players in New York. And he's been with Julian Lennon, Billy,

9:44 Speaker 5: Joel False. I mean, he's played with everybody, and he's

9:47 Speaker 5: like he's a really he's in Cyndi Laufer did all

9:50 Speaker 5: of her early stuff and he's a really good old

9:53 Speaker 5: friend and he was he joined the band for a

9:54 Speaker 5: while and we were very close and I was playing

9:58 Speaker 5: the Loans, I was I was doing the Loans start. Actually,

10:00 Speaker 5: one night with the old Loans stared thirteenth and Fifth,

10:02 Speaker 5: which is a great room, and they run an ad

10:06 Speaker 5: and there was a record guy in Nashville at that

10:08 Speaker 5: time with us. It's at that time there was a

10:10 Speaker 5: label called Asylum, and he was with Asylum Nashville and

10:14 Speaker 5: he saw the ad and he called me up in

10:16 Speaker 5: New York said what are you doing in New York?

10:17 Speaker 5: He said, why did you come down to Nashville? And

10:19 Speaker 5: that's where we originally recorded the early records, all in Nashville,

10:23 Speaker 5: and he said, watch you come down. I'll set you

10:24 Speaker 5: up with with you know, a whole bunch of great

10:27 Speaker 5: writers for and we'll get see, you know, let's see

10:30 Speaker 5: what we can put together and so he basically contacted

10:33 Speaker 5: me out of the blue and set me up with

10:35 Speaker 5: all of the most wonderful writers in Nashville. And so

10:39 Speaker 5: I went down and wrote for two weeks and then

10:41 Speaker 5: recorded all that material and that kind of brought me

10:44 Speaker 5: back into the Nashville fold. And so then I started

10:48 Speaker 5: working on solo things from there on, and that's where

10:52 Speaker 5: my original solos, a lot of the first solo things

10:55 Speaker 5: started getting off the ground. Yeah, And it was like,

10:57 Speaker 5: so went full circle because we actually did our first

11:00 Speaker 5: records there in the early seventies at the Old Quad,

11:02 Speaker 5: which was a notorious that's where Drifted Away by Doobe

11:06 Speaker 5: Gray was cut and all of the kind of legendary

11:09 Speaker 5: stuff from that era was cut at the Old Quad

11:12 Speaker 5: on Grand Avenue in Nashville.

11:15 Speaker 4: So you probably back there. So you probably didn't have

11:17 Speaker 4: any trepidation, right, because I know a lot of people,

11:19 Speaker 4: you know, when they go to Nashville, people we've had

11:22 Speaker 4: on the show, they'll talk about how scary it is

11:24 Speaker 4: because that's, like, you know, I mean, that's high pressure, right,

11:28 Speaker 4: you know, sitting around writing writing songs with people in Nashville, Tennessee.

11:32 Speaker 4: But you had already recorded there with the band and everything.

11:35 Speaker 4: So for you, I assume it was pretty comfortable.

11:40 Speaker 5: Yeah, well, we were very fortunate, and that was the

11:42 Speaker 5: first place we went when we first signed Capitol. They

11:45 Speaker 5: sent us to Nashville with Norvid Putnam and Norvid Putnam

11:48 Speaker 5: and David Briggs and Kenny Butchery who we did the

11:50 Speaker 5: first records with were the last Elvis Presley manned oh wow.

11:54 Speaker 5: They were with Presley. So we were working with the

11:56 Speaker 5: Presley crew. Wow. Which was really amazing as a green

11:59 Speaker 5: kid to be in the studio with those guys because

12:01 Speaker 5: they were just phenomenal. And so we I was very

12:04 Speaker 5: lucky to kind of to bump into like some of

12:07 Speaker 5: the most veteran players at the very beginning, and we

12:10 Speaker 5: were and we were in Quad, which is one of

12:12 Speaker 5: the studios which was had Dylan worked in, Joan Baez,

12:16 Speaker 5: Dobie Gray, you know, Dan Fogelberg, you name it, Jesse

12:20 Speaker 5: Winchester was like that studio was the place.

12:24 Speaker 7: Yeah, and so so it was we Yeah, so I

12:28 Speaker 7: was We were very fortunate to really land in with

12:30 Speaker 7: a really good crew and nor what it was an

12:32 Speaker 7: amazing musician and producer.

12:34 Speaker 5: So we were very very fortunate to be in the

12:38 Speaker 5: good graces of some really wonderful people who you know,

12:40 Speaker 5: was a world class education for me and in every way.

12:44 Speaker 4: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Now the stuff that you

12:48 Speaker 4: do now on tour, do you do a lot of

12:52 Speaker 4: the original material who sat Dart band? Or is it

12:55 Speaker 4: I imagine you mixed in because you've been prolific, You've

12:58 Speaker 4: recorded a lot both with the band and since then

13:01 Speaker 4: as well.

13:04 Speaker 5: Yes, so so yes, So basically I make a good

13:06 Speaker 5: I make a point of really going back and honoring

13:09 Speaker 5: a lot of the early material, through the early records,

13:11 Speaker 5: through the capital of years, and then we move on

13:14 Speaker 5: through the newer things. So it's a real you know,

13:17 Speaker 5: it's quite a wide swath of material, you know, that

13:20 Speaker 5: goes back to the beginning for the songs that people

13:22 Speaker 5: really like from that period, and then newer things. And

13:25 Speaker 5: also a couple of very discreet covers here. I try

13:28 Speaker 5: and pick songs that I really love to play by,

13:31 Speaker 5: you know, by really great writers here and there. So

13:34 Speaker 5: it's it's a real wide array of things. And and

13:38 Speaker 5: Jim is you know, we both covered a lot of

13:41 Speaker 5: ground guitar wise, and Jim is just an amazing musician.

13:45 Speaker 5: So and we're very tight you know, and so it's it's, uh,

13:49 Speaker 5: you know, we're very close with each other and kind

13:51 Speaker 5: of it's there's a lot of really nice chemistry involved.

13:54 Speaker 5: So it's fun. It's just it's just really fun.

13:57 Speaker 4: Yeah, are you by the way, are you from here? Originally?

14:00 Speaker 4: Where are you from?

14:03 Speaker 5: I'm actually from New York.

14:05 Speaker 7: I was, I was.

14:06 Speaker 5: I was born in New York and raised in New York,

14:07 Speaker 5: and I moved I went to Boston when I first

14:10 Speaker 5: met I first. The reason how I wound up in

14:13 Speaker 5: Boston is I had my grandparents lived in Nantucket and

14:17 Speaker 5: I used to go up there a bit, and when

14:20 Speaker 5: I was in the fifties, in the late fifties and

14:22 Speaker 5: early sixties, and they One night, I had a friend

14:28 Speaker 5: who got me to sit down and do an audition

14:31 Speaker 5: in front of John Hammond who was playing the Chicken Box,

14:34 Speaker 5: the club out in Nantucket, and John asked me to

14:37 Speaker 5: stay on and play with him for three nights. And

14:39 Speaker 5: so I opened for John Hammond at the Chicken Box

14:41 Speaker 5: and one night Don Law, who was a promoter in Boston,

14:44 Speaker 5: ye very familiar there because he and John Hammon's father.

14:47 Speaker 5: John Law's father and John Hammond's father were both talent

14:51 Speaker 5: scouts who had founded all kinds of you know, legendary

14:55 Speaker 5: in the music business. Yeah, and Don saw the show

14:58 Speaker 5: and said, what are you doing? I want you to

14:59 Speaker 5: come to ball And I went to Boston and he

15:02 Speaker 5: started managing me. And that's how the band started.

15:05 Speaker 4: That's a that's a hell of a great start, I'll

15:08 Speaker 4: tell you that's fantastic. That's that's that's a that's an

15:12 Speaker 4: amazing start. And then did you get signed to Capitol

15:16 Speaker 4: pretty quickly?

15:19 Speaker 5: We actually did a lot of road work. You know.

15:22 Speaker 5: Don really threw us out on the road and I

15:24 Speaker 5: asked John Troy from California. I went to University of

15:27 Speaker 5: Pacific in California. I asked him to come out and

15:30 Speaker 5: play bass, and he started playing bass as a duo.

15:32 Speaker 5: And then we found John Curtis through an ad in

15:35 Speaker 5: a music store and we started playing trio. And Don

15:37 Speaker 5: really put us out on the college circuit really like

15:41 Speaker 5: a huge amount of work. We started doing the NEC

15:43 Speaker 5: conferences and everywhere. We played all the colleges in New

15:46 Speaker 5: England and he so he really turned us into like

15:50 Speaker 5: a real road outfit really fast. He just had us

15:52 Speaker 5: on the road endlessly and we got a reputation kind

15:55 Speaker 5: of you know, through just really hard work before we

15:59 Speaker 5: were ever signed. And then uh, you know, there was

16:02 Speaker 5: we had a strong reputation going from roadwork, and then

16:05 Speaker 5: we were started seeking out labels, uh, and towards the

16:09 Speaker 5: early mid seventies, and then you know, we went to

16:12 Speaker 5: the same thing that all probably all bands went to.

16:14 Speaker 5: We were rejected by all kinds of people, you know,

16:16 Speaker 5: one left or another. It's you knows. The game of

16:19 Speaker 5: rejection was trying to find labels. And then finally a

16:22 Speaker 5: h there was a legendary recordman named Al Corey was

16:25 Speaker 5: then the head of Capital, and he was actually an

16:27 Speaker 5: old Boston guy and he wanted to come to Boston

16:29 Speaker 5: and he came to Boston saw us and signed us

16:32 Speaker 5: and so and so we signed with Capital, and uh,

16:36 Speaker 5: and then the rest was you know. A couple of

16:38 Speaker 5: weeks later we were Dawn and I were out at

16:40 Speaker 5: the Brown Derby and Hollywood and Vine and they were

16:42 Speaker 5: setting us up to go and start recording in Nashville

16:46 Speaker 5: with Norbert.

16:47 Speaker 4: Oh wow, yeah, that's yeah, that's that's fantastic. That's uh, yeah,

16:51 Speaker 4: that's a great start. How many records did you do

16:53 Speaker 4: for Capital?

16:56 Speaker 5: We did four there was an option on five, and

16:58 Speaker 5: then and then and then the whole whole kind of industry.

17:01 Speaker 5: You know, when at that time when we were making

17:03 Speaker 5: those records, we were really spending a lot of time

17:07 Speaker 5: and really you know, putting a lot of effort in

17:08 Speaker 5: the records. And we were spending you know, the budgets

17:10 Speaker 5: were really high. We just make some pretty expensive records

17:14 Speaker 5: considering what was going on at that time. And what

17:16 Speaker 5: happened is the whole industry was very decament at that point.

17:20 Speaker 5: That was when you know, Fleetwood Mac turned in Tusk,

17:23 Speaker 5: which was and that was like during that era, and

17:25 Speaker 5: so the industry was really wild and crazy at that point.

17:29 Speaker 5: And then you know, as I mentioned, they signed the

17:34 Speaker 5: Knack and the Knack turned in my Sharona for ten grand,

17:37 Speaker 5: and all the labels went, oh man, we're we're changing

17:40 Speaker 5: gears now. And they realized that they could get everybody

17:43 Speaker 5: to do these records for nothing, and so they just

17:46 Speaker 5: clean sweep all Warner and Capital and a lot of

17:49 Speaker 5: labels just did a clean sweep of their rosters and

17:52 Speaker 5: just kind of you know, started all over again. So

17:55 Speaker 5: it was like a real like you know, a real

17:58 Speaker 5: rude awakening in a lot of ways at that period

18:01 Speaker 5: of time. And then also a Saturday, my fever came

18:03 Speaker 5: in from the DG's and the whole scene just kind

18:06 Speaker 5: of went, you know, just went flipped like like a

18:08 Speaker 5: one eighty degree in terms of what was going on

18:10 Speaker 5: terms of record and radio. Yeah, so it was a

18:13 Speaker 5: it was a very you know, it was a very

18:15 Speaker 5: eye opening period of time to go through, that's for sure.

18:19 Speaker 4: Yeah, but you had a you had a great start,

18:21 Speaker 4: and of course that built the foundation for everything that

18:23 Speaker 4: you've been able to do since. And and I like

18:26 Speaker 4: I said very much, so yeah, and I really like

18:29 Speaker 4: a lot of the new material that you're doing as well.

18:32 Speaker 4: And we should mention, we should remind people. Of course,

18:35 Speaker 4: you're going to be at the Rex Theater on September thirteenth,

18:38 Speaker 4: and of course, for anyone who's never been there, it

18:40 Speaker 4: is a it is a fantastic place. And this is

18:43 Speaker 4: this is just you. Correct, there's no opener, it's just

18:45 Speaker 4: it's just you and your partner.

18:47 Speaker 5: And last time, no, the last yeah, the last time

18:50 Speaker 5: we were in it was just us. I don't I

18:52 Speaker 5: don't recall that we had no opener last time. Okay,

18:55 Speaker 5: But the nice thing about it there's really a really

18:58 Speaker 5: great audience there. I mean, the audience was fantastic the

19:01 Speaker 5: last couple of times that we've been in there. I mean,

19:03 Speaker 5: they're just it's a very enthusiastic and and you know,

19:06 Speaker 5: people really knew this, knew the songs, and so we

19:10 Speaker 5: love playing there is a great room.

19:11 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that's that's excellent. That's excellent. And then what

19:15 Speaker 4: are your plans for after this run of shows is done?

19:18 Speaker 4: On this tour? Are you gonna You're gonna do another

19:20 Speaker 4: album or what? Do you know? What your kind of

19:22 Speaker 4: long term trajectory.

19:23 Speaker 5: You know what I've been doing this, I've been since

19:27 Speaker 5: I did a record. The last record I did I

19:31 Speaker 5: did for Sony Red and we did it. We did

19:33 Speaker 5: I went back when I first went to Nashville. I

19:37 Speaker 5: told you I came. We came on the tail end

19:40 Speaker 5: of the drift Away sessions with dbe Gray, and I

19:42 Speaker 5: walked in at the end of their cutting drift Away,

19:45 Speaker 5: and the guys are still in the studio and one

19:47 Speaker 5: of my heroes, Reggie Young was one of my really

19:50 Speaker 5: one of my favorite guitar players. Bar None was there

19:53 Speaker 5: in the studio and I kind of made a mental

19:55 Speaker 5: note at that time, which was this is the seventies,

19:57 Speaker 5: that I would wanted to do a record with him

20:00 Speaker 5: so badly all these years, so you know, turned the

20:03 Speaker 5: clock turns, you know, thirty thirty years forward or so,

20:07 Speaker 5: and I made a mental note that I wanted to

20:09 Speaker 5: go back. And I met with a producer named Bill Varndeck,

20:12 Speaker 5: who passed subsequently since, but he was one of the legendary,

20:15 Speaker 5: absolutely amazing producers. He's done Alison Krause and you know,

20:21 Speaker 5: Bellafleck and many many of the greats, and you know

20:24 Speaker 5: Ralph Stanley. I mean, it's just a long list. But

20:27 Speaker 5: we got together and did a record, and we wanted

20:29 Speaker 5: to bring in these these the Muscle Shows guys and

20:32 Speaker 5: Reggie Young. So I did a record with a lot

20:34 Speaker 5: of the Muscle Shows guys, Reggie Young and her Memphis

20:37 Speaker 5: and the real top bench Nashville players, and turned in

20:41 Speaker 5: a record called Talk, which was I think the best

20:43 Speaker 5: record I've ever done. Wow, that was the last record

20:46 Speaker 5: I did, and it didn't it was kind of quiet,

20:49 Speaker 5: kind of it was didn't really do like Sony didn't

20:52 Speaker 5: do much.

20:52 Speaker 8: You know.

20:52 Speaker 5: It was the period of time when everything was changing

20:54 Speaker 5: from kind of the old record the whole promo routine

20:58 Speaker 5: to social med So it's a big switch. And since

21:02 Speaker 5: then I've started really working wanting to put more effort

21:06 Speaker 5: and just putting singles out so I don't spend so

21:08 Speaker 5: much time working on a whole record and just kind

21:10 Speaker 5: of putting things out immediately. Which you've really noticed from

21:12 Speaker 5: the site is I put singles and videos out like

21:16 Speaker 5: one by one so that they're immediately there and I

21:18 Speaker 5: don't have to spend a lot of time waiting to

21:21 Speaker 5: accrue you know, the energy that you put into a

21:23 Speaker 5: record and the time it takes to get it out

21:26 Speaker 5: and the attentions. Man, there's so much shorter now and

21:28 Speaker 5: a lot of people don't even have you know, they

21:29 Speaker 5: don't even have CD players in their cars anymore. So

21:32 Speaker 5: it's it's coming through streaming. So I'm kind of addressing

21:36 Speaker 5: that the medium has changed to this to a very

21:38 Speaker 5: much more immediate, you know format. So that's kind of

21:43 Speaker 5: the way I've been approaching it, is just putting out singles.

21:46 Speaker 4: No, that makes sense, and it's something that we talk

21:48 Speaker 4: about a lot on the show with our guests, is

21:50 Speaker 4: that we live in a time where you have all

21:53 Speaker 4: these different options in terms of how you want to

21:55 Speaker 4: release music, you know, you can do an album, you

21:56 Speaker 4: can do an EP, you can put out just singles.

21:59 Speaker 4: And some of our guests they'll talk about putting out

22:02 Speaker 4: a series of singles that eventually they put together into

22:05 Speaker 4: an album. But you know, kind of the inversion of

22:08 Speaker 4: you know, instead of putting out an album and then

22:10 Speaker 4: releasing singles, you release the singles and then it becomes

22:13 Speaker 4: an album. But yeah, I mean that's a talk about

22:15 Speaker 4: a big shift in the industry. Yeah, that's a that's

22:17 Speaker 4: a really big one.

22:21 Speaker 5: Yes, Yes, I mean people really, you know, people are

22:24 Speaker 5: just kind of getting things, you know, I mean, you

22:26 Speaker 5: know with obviously you know, the advent of Spotify and

22:28 Speaker 5: Rhapsody and Pandora and Amazon and all the rest of it.

22:31 Speaker 5: You know, that's really the way people are are are

22:34 Speaker 5: receiving most of what they're getting. And it's a you know,

22:38 Speaker 5: it's it's it's it's also very difficult because there's so

22:41 Speaker 5: much stuff coming through that you really have to kind

22:44 Speaker 5: of dig down to find a lot of the things.

22:46 Speaker 5: You know, like there's there's tons of music that's just

22:48 Speaker 5: below the surface. It doesn't ever kind of come on

22:51 Speaker 5: to the YEP. So it's you know, it takes it

22:53 Speaker 5: takes some effort to find the things that you really love,

22:56 Speaker 5: but it's it's there. It's just I mean, you know,

22:57 Speaker 5: it's just there's so much more being leaves now than

23:01 Speaker 5: ever before. So it's it's definitely an onslaught of media

23:03 Speaker 5: that's seeing that people are being inundated with no question.

23:06 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely absolutely if you are just joining us. John

23:10 Speaker 4: Poussett Dart is with us, and uh, we've been talking

23:13 Speaker 4: about he's got a show coming up on the thirteenth

23:16 Speaker 4: at the Rex Theater right here in Manchester. And John, well,

23:20 Speaker 4: we'll let you go in a moment, but I really

23:21 Speaker 4: appreciate your time this morning, and it's great to get

23:25 Speaker 4: to speak with you. And yeah, the Rex Theater is

23:28 Speaker 4: such a nice venue. Of course, if you're online, you

23:31 Speaker 4: can go to Rextheater dot org or Palace Theater dot

23:34 Speaker 4: org if you want to get tickets online or call

23:37 Speaker 4: six three six six eight five eight eight. Yeah, yeah, absolutely,

23:41 Speaker 4: And you can see John Poussett Dart And I'm sorry,

23:44 Speaker 4: what's the name of the gentleman who plays with you again.

23:48 Speaker 5: Jim chapter Laine and the people If people know Al Anderson,

23:51 Speaker 5: Al Anderson is just a treasure of musical one of

23:54 Speaker 5: the great guitar player in singer Sommers and he plays

23:57 Speaker 5: also with Al And. Al is just a monster. He's

24:00 Speaker 5: literally he was botar both NRBQ and n RBQ, the

24:04 Speaker 5: original NRBQ is was one of the greatest bands up

24:07 Speaker 5: their Little Feet and Bonnie Ray and some of my

24:09 Speaker 5: favorite bands bar none the original band. It's changed now,

24:13 Speaker 5: but but Al was part of it, was one of

24:14 Speaker 5: the original members. And he's so he works with al

24:18 Speaker 5: And and myself, and so he's just and he's also

24:22 Speaker 5: we have a lot of similar friends in Nashville and

24:25 Speaker 5: spent around so's he's he's just a wonderful musician. Jim chapterline.

24:29 Speaker 4: Okay, very cool, very cool. All right, Well, John, we

24:32 Speaker 4: will let you go, but thank you so much. It

24:35 Speaker 4: is wonderful to speak with you today. Have a great

24:37 Speaker 4: show on Friday. I wish I could be there, but

24:39 Speaker 4: I'm actually on the air Friday nights. But but I

24:41 Speaker 4: know it's going to be great and we'll keep plugging

24:43 Speaker 4: it here and spreading the word. And thank you so

24:45 Speaker 4: much for joining us today.

24:47 Speaker 9: Matt.

24:48 Speaker 5: It's wonderful talking to you, and thank you for having

24:50 Speaker 5: me greatly appreciate it. Thank you so.

24:52 Speaker 4: Much, anytime, anytime. All right, Thanks John, take care, take care.

24:57 Speaker 1: All right.

24:57 Speaker 4: That was John Possett Dart and we're gonna play to

25:00 Speaker 4: close out our conversation. I'm gonna play this track Amnesia.

25:05 Speaker 4: This is one of the hits from back in the

25:08 Speaker 4: days of the Johns, the Posset Dart Band. Boy, I

25:14 Speaker 4: do a radio show, can you believe it? The Pooseet

25:17 Speaker 4: Dart Band, this track Amnesia. And I decided to play

25:21 Speaker 4: this one specifically for our friend Tony Petrello, who might

25:23 Speaker 4: be listening, because last night on Retro Spectrum Radio we

25:27 Speaker 4: were talking about how John was going to be joining

25:29 Speaker 4: us this morning, and Tony had mentioned that he particularly

25:33 Speaker 4: particularly loves this song Amnesia. So let's give this a spin.

25:38 Speaker 4: Then we'll show some love to our amazing sponsors and

25:41 Speaker 4: then our guest. We have a great guest coming in.

25:44 Speaker 4: And plus we'll remind you about that show and the

25:48 Speaker 4: art show that Jenny is featured in as well. We'll

25:50 Speaker 4: talk about all of it.

25:51 Speaker 1: But here it is.

25:52 Speaker 4: This is Amnesia. This is from the Poussett Dart Band.

25:56 Speaker 4: John Poussett Dart, would you hit me on the.

26:10 Speaker 1: Head with your beer?

26:12 Speaker 9: Ball something in my chemistry to change.

26:20 Speaker 3: The already inside, to forgive.

26:25 Speaker 4: My friendly thing I'm permanently.

26:28 Speaker 8: To raised when away, try to put the things on.

26:36 Speaker 4: The all loving times and weed it out.

26:42 Speaker 3: I get to start excuse ears and a hazy picture,

26:47 Speaker 3: and I hear your.

26:48 Speaker 9: Voice inside again the last I love.

26:56 Speaker 3: Y, leave me sick, but nonancy.

27:04 Speaker 10: My brom.

27:05 Speaker 5: That is all y.

27:09 Speaker 9: My friends day, don't.

27:11 Speaker 4: Lurking me to say.

27:15 Speaker 3: Sometimes if you okay, but where I talk, guys, I

27:20 Speaker 3: can't remember the fast A few minutes of God, the

27:26 Speaker 3: darks all come up the same answer.

27:31 Speaker 4: Boy is found that dark one. There's no lived to go.

27:38 Speaker 11: That is all shoot.

27:43 Speaker 8: Believe me sick, but nonancy.

27:48 Speaker 7: Bom that is so.

27:53 Speaker 12: My friend.

27:54 Speaker 8: They don't luk at me. See all that is all landing,

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28:31 Speaker 7: It's all that so learning.

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33:24 Speaker 4: Welcome back, everybody. This is Matt Connorton Unleashed and we

33:27 Speaker 4: are live from the studios of wm NH ninety five

33:31 Speaker 4: point three FM, Inglorious, Manchester, New Hampshire on Canal Street.

33:35 Speaker 4: Today is Saturday, September seven, twenty twenty four. We have

33:40 Speaker 4: a wonderful guest we're going to introduce in just a moment.

33:43 Speaker 4: I do want to thank again John Poussett Dart for

33:46 Speaker 4: joining us this morning. That was a that was a

33:48 Speaker 4: fun conversation. I really like talking with him. And he's

33:50 Speaker 4: going to be at the Rex Theater on Friday, September

33:54 Speaker 4: thirteenth at seven thirty pm. So that's a beautiful venue

33:58 Speaker 4: if you've never been there, and of course you can

33:59 Speaker 4: go Rextheater dot org or Palacetheater dot org to get

34:03 Speaker 4: your tickets and evening with the John Poussett Dart Duo

34:08 Speaker 4: is how they have it listed, and that's going to

34:10 Speaker 4: be really cool. So, like I said, I really like

34:13 Speaker 4: talking with him, and also I mentioned I made reference

34:17 Speaker 4: to it earlier. Jenny's artwork is being shown at the

34:21 Speaker 4: Mosaic Art Collective, another great place right here in Manchester

34:25 Speaker 4: on Hanover Street, and the reception is on one week

34:30 Speaker 4: from today, Saturday the fourteenth, from four to eight pm,

34:33 Speaker 4: sixty six Hanover Street, a sweet two one. That's a

34:36 Speaker 4: beautiful building if you haven't been in there, the Daily

34:39 Speaker 4: Mirror building. But you go in, you just go up

34:41 Speaker 4: to the second floor and you can't miss it. The

34:43 Speaker 4: event is the Mosaic Art Collective proudly presents our annual

34:47 Speaker 4: Full Circle the Speed of Light. That's the name of

34:50 Speaker 4: the venue. They are celebrating their birthday two years now

34:55 Speaker 4: that they've been there, So opening and reception, Opening reception,

35:00 Speaker 4: birthday celebration Saturday, September fourteenth from four to eight pm.

35:04 Speaker 4: And Jenny and I will be going, of course because

35:06 Speaker 4: her art is being shown there and it's a wonderful place,

35:08 Speaker 4: so we'd probably go anyway. But uh, the painting that

35:12 Speaker 4: was selected for the show, it's it's a personal favorite

35:15 Speaker 4: of mine, really really cool, So please join us for

35:18 Speaker 4: that as well, And if you are just joining us

35:21 Speaker 4: on Saturday morning, if you're listening live, of course, the

35:25 Speaker 4: studio line is opened six oh three two five six

35:27 Speaker 4: seven six three two five six oh seven, And of

35:31 Speaker 4: course you can connect with us on social media where

35:33 Speaker 4: you can go to Matt connorton dot com, slash live

35:36 Speaker 4: you can send an instant message to us through there.

35:39 Speaker 4: So there are many ways to interact with the show

35:42 Speaker 4: on this Saturday morning. But joining us now live in studio,

35:46 Speaker 4: we have Terry Almquist from Wellness Hot Yoga. Welcome Terry.

35:51 Speaker 9: Not nice to be with you.

35:52 Speaker 4: I've been I've been very excited to get you on

35:54 Speaker 4: the show because, as I've been telling people, and I

35:56 Speaker 4: was telling Jenny about this, You've got a pretty fascinating

36:00 Speaker 4: backstory and I want to get into all of that.

36:03 Speaker 4: But we should tell people up front too. So you're

36:05 Speaker 4: from Wellness Hot Yoga, which.

36:06 Speaker 9: Is in April, Yeah, April, Massachusetts.

36:08 Speaker 4: And for our local listeners in Manchester, it's not far.

36:12 Speaker 4: You know, you say Massachusetts, people think, wait, that's in

36:15 Speaker 4: another state, but it's right over the border. So I

36:18 Speaker 4: mean to get here, what did it take you a

36:19 Speaker 4: half hour?

36:20 Speaker 9: Uh? Yeah, like thirty minutes.

36:21 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, it's easy, you know, just a straight shot

36:24 Speaker 4: really on ninety three, So it's a wonderful place. And

36:27 Speaker 4: how long have you been there?

36:29 Speaker 9: We've been in that location for two years, so two

36:32 Speaker 9: years we were in North andover started over there. In

36:35 Speaker 9: two thousand and eight, I opened a yoga studio and

36:37 Speaker 9: it was just yoga back then, and then of course

36:40 Speaker 9: COVID hit yeah, and like a lot of small businesses,

36:43 Speaker 9: it was devastating, and I ended up having to close

36:45 Speaker 9: that business and thought that I wasn't sure I was

36:48 Speaker 9: even going to reopen. And when I decided to reopen,

36:51 Speaker 9: my first thought was I was going to open a

36:52 Speaker 9: very small space and just teach, you know, one or

36:54 Speaker 9: two classes a week, and that would be what I

36:57 Speaker 9: wanted to do. And then this space became available that

37:00 Speaker 9: had a beautiful locker rooms and asauna already, and I

37:03 Speaker 9: saw the vision when I looked at the space of

37:06 Speaker 9: opening a wellness center. So more than just yoga were

37:09 Speaker 9: available for all these other modalities of healing. And that's

37:14 Speaker 9: really the reason I opened the studio in the first place,

37:16 Speaker 9: because I think that the body is self healing and

37:18 Speaker 9: that we have lots of tools we could use, and

37:21 Speaker 9: the more tools we have available to us to be healthy,

37:24 Speaker 9: better off we're.

37:25 Speaker 5: Going to be.

37:25 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely so when COVID hit, so so there was

37:31 Speaker 4: a there was a point where you didn't know if

37:32 Speaker 4: you were going to even continue.

37:34 Speaker 9: Yeah, there was a point where I knew I'd always

37:36 Speaker 9: teach yoga, but I didn't know if I wanted to

37:39 Speaker 9: reopen a studio or how that was going to work out,

37:43 Speaker 9: mainly because like a lot of small businesses, it was

37:45 Speaker 9: financially devastating. And I've been very lucky that it worked

37:49 Speaker 9: out that I've had people interested investing in a way

37:52 Speaker 9: that allowed me to reopen.

37:54 Speaker 4: Did did you at any point? You know, because a

37:58 Speaker 4: lot of people kind of took their business is online

38:00 Speaker 4: and ways that at that time, in ways that they

38:04 Speaker 4: hadn't previously considered, including myself, you know, because I I'm

38:09 Speaker 4: a hypnotherapist and I had always kind of resisted doing

38:14 Speaker 4: sessions with clients online. I don't know why, looking back,

38:18 Speaker 4: I don't know why, because I've always been one to

38:20 Speaker 4: really embrace all the technology that's available. But I was

38:23 Speaker 4: late to the party on that and I kind of

38:25 Speaker 4: you know, and then COVID. Yeah, so terrible. But we

38:29 Speaker 4: have to always say, we have to find those silver

38:30 Speaker 4: linings where we can, right And and one of the

38:33 Speaker 4: silver linings. Is it kind of forced a lot of people.

38:37 Speaker 4: You know, we interview a lot of musicians on the show,

38:39 Speaker 4: and they talk about it too, how it forces them

38:42 Speaker 4: to be more creative, or it did force them to

38:44 Speaker 4: be more creative and find ways to kind of work around,

38:47 Speaker 4: you know, ways that they were used to creating music

38:49 Speaker 4: with other people and playing shows and whatnot. And so

38:53 Speaker 4: I found myself finally just sort of giving in and saying, Okay,

38:57 Speaker 4: I guess I can see clients online. Turns it works

39:00 Speaker 4: pretty well, and people are used to it anyway, especially

39:04 Speaker 4: with you know, different therapies. People use services like doxy

39:09 Speaker 4: and you know, to do this to interact. So it

39:13 Speaker 4: turned out to be a good thing, a positive thing,

39:16 Speaker 4: learning to do that. But in your case, and I

39:19 Speaker 4: have seen people who kind of do yoga classes online.

39:22 Speaker 4: But is that something you considered or maybe you did

39:25 Speaker 4: implement some of that.

39:26 Speaker 9: Yeah, we did. We were in a really interesting position

39:28 Speaker 9: because not only do I own a yoga studio, I

39:32 Speaker 9: have been a yoga teacher for now and almost twenty years,

39:35 Speaker 9: but then you know, over a decade, and I've mentored

39:38 Speaker 9: teachers from all over the world. So I've written a

39:40 Speaker 9: book on teaching yoga for the style of yoga that

39:43 Speaker 9: I teach, which is called Bickram Yoga. I've written a

39:45 Speaker 9: book on teaching, I've mentored teachers. I travel around the

39:48 Speaker 9: world to do seminars and webinars, and one of the

39:50 Speaker 9: things I do is a monthly webinar and I've done

39:53 Speaker 9: it on Zoom and I've done that since about two

39:55 Speaker 9: thousand and five. Sorry, that's the wrong date. Fifteen, Okay,

40:01 Speaker 9: about twenty fifteen. I started doing these monthly webinars for teachers.

40:05 Speaker 9: So I already had all the Zoom stuff set up

40:07 Speaker 9: to do that. And then when the first day we

40:11 Speaker 9: were closed from the yoga studio, we had morning classes

40:14 Speaker 9: and closed and our evening classes were online. And what

40:18 Speaker 9: we did is because my manager and I have been

40:20 Speaker 9: doing these Zoom things for ages, we actually put it

40:24 Speaker 9: out to my larger worldwide community and said, listen, you

40:27 Speaker 9: can figure out how to do this too, but let

40:29 Speaker 9: your students know that they can hinde practicing with us,

40:32 Speaker 9: and we will help you set up your own stuff

40:34 Speaker 9: and then they'll transition back to practicing with you. Just

40:37 Speaker 9: to keep these businesses going. Of course, we all thought

40:39 Speaker 9: it was going to be you know, a couple of

40:40 Speaker 9: weeks or right what is started. Remember, So our thought

40:44 Speaker 9: process was, you know, we'll teach them classes online. It'll

40:47 Speaker 9: be fine. The style of yoga I teach, I don't

40:49 Speaker 9: actually have to do the class when I'm teaching it.

40:51 Speaker 9: I just stand and I kind of tell people the

40:54 Speaker 9: directions how to do it.

40:55 Speaker 4: Oh okay.

40:56 Speaker 9: So I was just leading through a home practice and

40:58 Speaker 9: actually the first Saturday that we were over, my Saturday

41:00 Speaker 9: classes are always busy. I remember having like four screens

41:04 Speaker 9: of zoom people. I had like seventy something people on

41:07 Speaker 9: line from all over the world taking classes.

41:10 Speaker 4: Wow.

41:10 Speaker 9: And we continued that. We also expanded out to this

41:13 Speaker 9: more idea of also mental health wellness, so we did

41:15 Speaker 9: a lot of community events online. So we did game playing.

41:19 Speaker 9: That One of the most fun things we figured out

41:20 Speaker 9: how to do is how to do scavenger hunts in

41:22 Speaker 9: your own house. So we would say, like find an

41:25 Speaker 9: item and you have to you know, do you have

41:26 Speaker 9: a Harry Potter book and you've run and you go

41:28 Speaker 9: get the book and you bring it back, you know,

41:31 Speaker 9: And that was fun. We had people from Australia and

41:33 Speaker 9: Europe and I remember women from Hawaii and we still

41:36 Speaker 9: have online classes, so all of our classes, even if

41:38 Speaker 9: people aren't local, all of our classes are audio streams

41:42 Speaker 9: through the studio. And people still practice online because the

41:46 Speaker 9: sad thing that happened to during COVID is a lot

41:48 Speaker 9: of the studios that closed have never reopened, so those

41:52 Speaker 9: students don't have a place to practice anymore. But we've

41:54 Speaker 9: given them a place to practice with us, and we

41:57 Speaker 9: think of them not just as students online but also

41:59 Speaker 9: part of our unity. Yeah, so we try to include

42:01 Speaker 9: them and a lot of things that we do by

42:04 Speaker 9: enabling to join online.

42:06 Speaker 4: Yeah no, that's that's amazing, all right. So let's let's

42:10 Speaker 4: get to this because you so when you and I

42:13 Speaker 4: first met you, you kind of told me your whole

42:15 Speaker 4: history of of how you got here. And one of

42:20 Speaker 4: the things I noticed, and I think I even said

42:22 Speaker 4: this to you that day, it seems like like people

42:24 Speaker 4: who you know, if you want to use the term healer,

42:28 Speaker 4: people who are healers. So many of us we get

42:33 Speaker 4: to where we're able to help others because we started

42:35 Speaker 4: out needing, you know, not just necessarily wanting, but really

42:40 Speaker 4: needing a way to help ourselves.

42:42 Speaker 6: You know.

42:43 Speaker 4: That's that's how I got started as a hypnotherapist. Was

42:46 Speaker 4: you know, I started out I needed to help myself

42:50 Speaker 4: ad you know, tremendous social anxiety and a lot of

42:54 Speaker 4: things overcome that I felt were holding me back. So

42:56 Speaker 4: I learned self hypnosis and then I started, you know,

42:58 Speaker 4: and when friends would find out what I was doing,

43:01 Speaker 4: they would say, oh, can you hypnotize me? Turned out

43:03 Speaker 4: I was good at it. Then I went and got certified,

43:06 Speaker 4: and now I do it professionally. That's kind of the

43:08 Speaker 4: cliff notes version of my story. But I'm interested in

43:11 Speaker 4: sharing your story because you yours is very emblematic of

43:16 Speaker 4: that too, where you started out needing to find solutions

43:20 Speaker 4: for yourself and that put you on this path that

43:23 Speaker 4: you're still on today.

43:25 Speaker 9: So absolutely, I tell people all the time the reason

43:30 Speaker 9: I opened to yoga studio is because I honestly believe

43:33 Speaker 9: no one should live in pain, and whether that pain

43:35 Speaker 9: is physical or spiritual, emotionally that the body is self healing.

43:41 Speaker 9: But so in the nineties, I worked in the mental

43:43 Speaker 9: health field, and I worked in a lot of lock

43:46 Speaker 9: psychiatric facilities, Okay, and in one of those facilities, unfortunately

43:51 Speaker 9: I got injured. I had a client who was going

43:54 Speaker 9: off of medication and had become very psychotic. Oh wow,

43:58 Speaker 9: ended up pulling me over backwards and landing on top

44:00 Speaker 9: of me, and in the process of trying to get

44:03 Speaker 9: them off and sort of doing that, I thought I

44:05 Speaker 9: was absolutely fine. After the incident, they kept saying you

44:08 Speaker 9: want to go to the emergency room, and said, no,

44:10 Speaker 9: I'm good. And the next morning when I woke up,

44:13 Speaker 9: I had really struggled to get out of bed, that

44:15 Speaker 9: my legs didn't want to work, and I was a

44:17 Speaker 9: single mom with two young kids, which was very frightening.

44:20 Speaker 9: So I go to the emergency room and what had

44:22 Speaker 9: happened was seven of the discs in my neck had

44:25 Speaker 9: herniated in the process, and so I was put a

44:29 Speaker 9: neck brace. Told well, this for a couple of weeks,

44:31 Speaker 9: we'll do some physical therapy. You'll be fine. Unfortunately, my neck,

44:34 Speaker 9: like a lot of people, when it healed, healed very frozen,

44:38 Speaker 9: and that frozen neck after the even after they took

44:43 Speaker 9: the neck brace off, I couldn't move. So there was

44:46 Speaker 9: physical therapy and that didn't really help. And then I

44:51 Speaker 9: went to see some neurologists and they suggested that I

44:56 Speaker 9: have surgery at some point to probably remove the disc

44:59 Speaker 9: from my neck and put a rod in my spine

45:02 Speaker 9: to hold my wo to hold my head up. Over

45:04 Speaker 9: the course of several years, I was collapsing forward. But

45:07 Speaker 9: I had a wonderful neurologist at Math General who said

45:10 Speaker 9: to me, go find anything else that you can do.

45:13 Speaker 9: Try chiropractic, try massage, try anything, and then when you

45:17 Speaker 9: you know, when you can't lift your head up anymore,

45:20 Speaker 9: when you're so that, we'll do the surgery. But put

45:23 Speaker 9: it off as long as possible because there was a

45:26 Speaker 9: chance of being a quadriplegic. Any kind of massive surgery

45:29 Speaker 9: to your spine, especially your neck, can be problematic. Yeah,

45:32 Speaker 9: so he said, get your youngest out of school and

45:34 Speaker 9: then come talk to me again. So my daughter was

45:37 Speaker 9: getting older and I was at a place where I

45:39 Speaker 9: thought I'm going to have to do the surgery. I

45:41 Speaker 9: had lived with a headache for many, many years and

45:45 Speaker 9: unable to move, and so my sister said to me,

45:50 Speaker 9: come take this yoga class I'm taking. And I told

45:52 Speaker 9: her I've tried yoga. You know, with the ability to

45:55 Speaker 9: move my head and stuff, yoga is really hard. I

45:57 Speaker 9: can't do it. She said, try this class with me.

45:59 Speaker 9: It's very different. So I went to the class, and

46:03 Speaker 9: at that time I had been in pain for over

46:05 Speaker 9: a decade. Oh, I was a packa day smoker. So

46:10 Speaker 9: people see me now and they think, you know, I

46:12 Speaker 9: don't want to say I'm very zen, but I'm that

46:15 Speaker 9: kind of I'm the yoga teacher, you know. I try

46:16 Speaker 9: to live a healthy lifestyle. All of that. That was

46:19 Speaker 9: not where I started.

46:20 Speaker 4: Yeah, can I just ask you to to interject when

46:24 Speaker 4: you talk about being in pain for over a decade?

46:26 Speaker 4: My god, what was it?

46:28 Speaker 6: Like?

46:28 Speaker 4: How severe.

46:30 Speaker 9: You learn to function? People who live in chronic pain

46:33 Speaker 9: learn to function in chronic pain. So I was working

46:35 Speaker 9: and functioning. I had trained to be a sign language

46:38 Speaker 9: interpreter and actually couldn't full time do that job because

46:42 Speaker 9: food's holding your arms up for long periods of time,

46:45 Speaker 9: which was not possible. So I got a job at

46:46 Speaker 9: a college that was teaching sign language interpreting, so I

46:49 Speaker 9: was able to still be in my field, but not

46:52 Speaker 9: having to put that strain on my body.

46:54 Speaker 4: But you were in chronic pain because.

46:55 Speaker 9: A chronic pain I had, I quite literally had a

46:58 Speaker 9: headache for ten years. Wow, I used to say to

47:01 Speaker 9: people who were I was trying everything chiropractic and massage,

47:04 Speaker 9: and I always used to joke that if I could

47:06 Speaker 9: find someone who could get rid of my headache, I

47:07 Speaker 9: was going to give them a million dollars. I didn't

47:09 Speaker 9: have a million dollars, but acupuncture was something that I found.

47:13 Speaker 9: It did help with the pain, which was really helpful.

47:17 Speaker 9: I've tried so I've tried all these other modalities of healing,

47:21 Speaker 9: and in the beginning, chiropractic wasn't helpful for me. Later on,

47:24 Speaker 9: as I got better doing yoga, chiropractic has become an

47:28 Speaker 9: important part of what I do to keep myself well.

47:30 Speaker 9: So sometimes you try something in a moment and it

47:32 Speaker 9: didn't work, that doesn't mean you shouldn't try it again.

47:35 Speaker 9: It could work later. So my sister took me to

47:39 Speaker 9: this yoga class, and I remember going into my first

47:41 Speaker 9: class and the teacher said, you must be Kathy's sister.

47:44 Speaker 9: And I said, how did you know? And she said,

47:46 Speaker 9: because she told me you look like a turtle. My

47:48 Speaker 9: head had hutted so far forward because I couldn't really

47:51 Speaker 9: hold it up that I actually did sort of look

47:53 Speaker 9: like a turtle. And she said, don't worry, I collect

47:55 Speaker 9: turtles and all over her yoga studio with these little

47:58 Speaker 9: turtle statues. Oh really, I really went in there. Like

48:01 Speaker 9: I said, it's a packadet smoker. Drank a bottle of

48:04 Speaker 9: wine at night to try to get to sleep because

48:06 Speaker 9: I didn't want to take painkillers. I was not in

48:08 Speaker 9: good physical shape. And it was a ninety minute hot class,

48:13 Speaker 9: and ten minutes in I thought, how do I get

48:14 Speaker 9: out of here and go have a cigarette? Yeah, but

48:17 Speaker 9: the teacher was great, and she had been teaching for

48:19 Speaker 9: a long time and she's still teaching. Diane teachers at

48:22 Speaker 9: Yoga for You. She own set studio down in deada

48:24 Speaker 9: Mass and we got to a posture where you had

48:28 Speaker 9: to roll forward and put your head down on the floor.

48:31 Speaker 9: And I said, She said put your head on the

48:32 Speaker 9: floor and I said no. And she said put your

48:35 Speaker 9: head on the floor and I said no. She said

48:36 Speaker 9: do you trust me? And I said yeah. She goes,

48:38 Speaker 9: put your head on the floor. I put my head

48:39 Speaker 9: on the floor and we don't do any real inversions,

48:42 Speaker 9: but it's just rolling forward touching the floor.

48:44 Speaker 4: Yeah.

48:44 Speaker 9: I felt something move in my neck that hadn't moved

48:47 Speaker 9: in all of those years. Really, and in that moment,

48:49 Speaker 9: I had that epiphany, and I think this happens to

48:52 Speaker 9: a lot of people who are in the wellness industry.

48:54 Speaker 9: I had the epiphany that I was going to do

48:56 Speaker 9: this yoga for the rest of my life, and I

48:58 Speaker 9: was going to learn to teach the sugar. Yeah, and

49:00 Speaker 9: so I started. I live in Haveral, that studio was

49:04 Speaker 9: in West Roxbury, and I would go every day to yoga, yeah,

49:08 Speaker 9: to try to heal my own body. And I progressively

49:11 Speaker 9: got much better, and a year later went to be

49:13 Speaker 9: a teacher.

49:14 Speaker 4: Wow, when you said you felt something move in that moment,

49:17 Speaker 4: you felt something move, like a.

49:19 Speaker 9: In a good way, and yeah, well, like something stretched.

49:23 Speaker 9: Nothing had moved in my neck. Everything was starch. That's

49:25 Speaker 9: what it happened, with the neck brace on everything. And

49:28 Speaker 9: now I think they do less of that when people

49:30 Speaker 9: have neck injuries. Very rarely do you see people walking

49:32 Speaker 9: around with big collars anymore. Yeah, that's true, because I

49:36 Speaker 9: think they know now moving it even a little is

49:39 Speaker 9: better than making it immobile. What happened was I just

49:42 Speaker 9: froze all of that scar tissue just froze up in

49:45 Speaker 9: my neck and so that's what made me lose motion. Okay,

49:51 Speaker 9: but something stretched in the back of my neck. That

49:53 Speaker 9: hadn't moved and I'm talking about this was just a

49:56 Speaker 9: tiny movement. But I had that idea of this, it

50:00 Speaker 9: can fix it, this is going to fix it, and

50:03 Speaker 9: so I just have to do this for the rest

50:04 Speaker 9: of my life. And I started. I dedicated myself to going,

50:09 Speaker 9: still working at the college, and a year later, I

50:10 Speaker 9: left my job at the college and went off to

50:12 Speaker 9: teacher training, which at the time was in LA And

50:14 Speaker 9: it was nine weeks. I left my family for a

50:17 Speaker 9: full nine weeks and it's over six hundred hours of training.

50:19 Speaker 9: Oh wow, to be a hot yoga teacher in the

50:21 Speaker 9: style that I teach, the pic of yoga. And came

50:25 Speaker 9: back and there was no studio in the area. Still

50:27 Speaker 9: driving miles to teach and take yoga and then open

50:30 Speaker 9: my studio in North Andover.

50:32 Speaker 4: Wow, So you said, so to get to get to

50:37 Speaker 4: be Are you paying free now.

50:39 Speaker 9: Or I am paining free now? It was funny I

50:42 Speaker 9: last month I didn't take as much yoga as I

50:45 Speaker 9: normally take, and I said to somebody boy, like my

50:48 Speaker 9: neck feels like a little cliquie. If I go more

50:51 Speaker 9: than four days without a yoga class practicing, I can

50:54 Speaker 9: feel like it's well it's not pain like I could

50:58 Speaker 9: feel that it's still so it's not a panacea. I

51:02 Speaker 9: didn't do a couple of yoga classes and don't need

51:04 Speaker 9: to ever go back for the rest of my life.

51:05 Speaker 9: I really honestly believe that I have to do this

51:08 Speaker 9: for the rest of my life to stay pain free

51:10 Speaker 9: and mobile. And I'm okay with that. And to be honest,

51:13 Speaker 9: I came back a week ago from being on vacation

51:16 Speaker 9: and not practicing for almost ten days, and so my

51:19 Speaker 9: neck was really stiff and really like bugging me. And

51:22 Speaker 9: then I've taken four classes in four days and it

51:26 Speaker 9: was fine. It's back to where it was before. Wow,

51:28 Speaker 9: that's great, it comes back.

51:30 Speaker 4: And what about So you mentioned too while you were

51:34 Speaker 4: still in pain, so you were a packa day smoker. Yeah,

51:37 Speaker 4: how did you quit?

51:38 Speaker 7: Did you?

51:39 Speaker 9: That's three months of yoga practicing almost every day. My

51:43 Speaker 9: first month I practiced yoga, I did over thirty classes

51:46 Speaker 9: in thirty days. So I was driving so far that

51:49 Speaker 9: I would stay at the studio and take two classes

51:51 Speaker 9: back to back. What was really fascinating was people are

51:53 Speaker 9: very frightened of the idea of especially if you live

51:56 Speaker 9: in pain. I think ninety minutes in a hot yoga room.

52:00 Speaker 9: Doing yoga sounds so overwhelming you think like I need

52:03 Speaker 9: to start with maybe a thirty minute class or something.

52:05 Speaker 9: But the way this yoga is designed is so that

52:09 Speaker 9: you are slowly warming yourself up and the heat helps.

52:13 Speaker 9: So what I discovered was if I did a ninety

52:16 Speaker 9: minute class, at the end of class, I started feeling like,

52:19 Speaker 9: oh wait, I feel mobile enough now that I could

52:21 Speaker 9: actually do a class. So I started staying and doing

52:24 Speaker 9: two classes back to back because the first class was

52:27 Speaker 9: just really all warming up for me, and then the

52:30 Speaker 9: second class. The way the class is designed, the first

52:33 Speaker 9: almost well it's the ninety minut class, so almost the

52:35 Speaker 9: first hour is what we consider the warm up, so

52:39 Speaker 9: it's and then you do yoga, which it's done on

52:41 Speaker 9: the floor, so you spend all this time warming up slowly.

52:46 Speaker 9: So I would do a whole class as a warm up,

52:47 Speaker 9: then do the warm up of the next class, and

52:49 Speaker 9: then do the yoga. And that's what really changed everything

52:53 Speaker 9: was to be able to I'm not advising that everybody

52:55 Speaker 9: do two classes, but with a severe injury, that was

52:58 Speaker 9: the thing that worked for me and people. But like

53:01 Speaker 9: I said, people are intimidated with this idea of a

53:03 Speaker 9: ninety minute yoga class in the heat. That's going to

53:05 Speaker 9: be really hard because I'm injured, I'm sick and whatever.

53:08 Speaker 9: But the way the class is designed, it's therapeutic. So

53:11 Speaker 9: you do the little bit that you can do, and

53:13 Speaker 9: then over time, as your body improves, you do more

53:16 Speaker 9: and more and more.

53:17 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, now, so what am I?

53:20 Speaker 9: Oh you asked about quitting smoking. Oh, you got three

53:22 Speaker 9: months into the practice. I had taken a class and

53:25 Speaker 9: then I took a second class. I used to go between.

53:28 Speaker 9: This is a terrible thing to admit. I used to

53:30 Speaker 9: go between the two classes. There's a break, I would

53:32 Speaker 9: go outside, have a cigarette, come back in and take

53:35 Speaker 9: the second class. I was quite literally at the end

53:37 Speaker 9: of two classes, sucking wind, laying on the floor, struggling

53:42 Speaker 9: to catch my breath, and I realized, either I had

53:45 Speaker 9: to stop coming to yoga or I had to stop smoking. Wow,

53:48 Speaker 9: these two needed to go. I smoked. It was my

53:52 Speaker 9: daughter's birthday. As a matter of fact, I smoked my

53:54 Speaker 9: last cigarette, drove home, smoked a cigarette on my ride home.

53:57 Speaker 9: Never bought another pack of cigarettes. Yeah, and it was fine.

54:00 Speaker 9: I made the yoga and the replacement the other thing

54:03 Speaker 9: I think too, that three months was enough time for

54:05 Speaker 9: me to start to emotionally love myself again. And when

54:09 Speaker 9: you love somebody, you don't want them to smoke. When

54:12 Speaker 9: you love somebody, you don't want them to do these

54:14 Speaker 9: things that aren't good for themselves. I think that journey

54:16 Speaker 9: for a lot of people, and I've watched it over

54:18 Speaker 9: the last twenty years, watching the journey of people fall

54:20 Speaker 9: in love with themselves and stop doing those things that

54:23 Speaker 9: are harming themselves and easily not struggling to do it,

54:27 Speaker 9: making those habit changes because they love who they are,

54:31 Speaker 9: they love the way they feel, and so it makes

54:34 Speaker 9: it easy.

54:35 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, it's funny you're talking about like smoking

54:40 Speaker 4: between classes. It reminds me of a I remember in

54:43 Speaker 4: high school, like going to going to the gym with

54:46 Speaker 4: friends to lift weights and you seeing people like not

54:50 Speaker 4: a lot if every once in a while, you know,

54:52 Speaker 4: you might see somebody they get done doing a set

54:55 Speaker 4: and then they go outside and they smoke a cigarette.

54:58 Speaker 4: And I remember talking with my friends and about this

55:01 Speaker 4: and saying, you know, to me that that looks like

55:04 Speaker 4: it's like driving your car over a cliff but deciding intentionally,

55:08 Speaker 4: but deciding to put your seat belt on right before

55:10 Speaker 4: you do it. It's like, you know, you either care

55:12 Speaker 4: about your health or you don't, and but you know,

55:15 Speaker 4: you obviously got to a point where you had to

55:16 Speaker 4: make that choice. And and I think, unfortunately, I think

55:21 Speaker 4: for most people it's not it's not stark enough. I

55:25 Speaker 4: think people, you know, I see, that's the number one

55:30 Speaker 4: I think that I see people for for hypnosis is

55:33 Speaker 4: to quit smoking. And I think for most people it's

55:39 Speaker 4: not a stark choice because they're not they're not staring

55:44 Speaker 4: it in the face. The problem. You were staring it

55:47 Speaker 4: right in the face because you got to that point

55:49 Speaker 4: where I either got to do yoga, which is helping

55:52 Speaker 4: me tremendously, or I can keep smoking, but I can't

55:54 Speaker 4: do both. Whereas most people it's like, Okay, well I'm

56:00 Speaker 4: doing this terrible thing. It's going to ruin my health eventually,

56:03 Speaker 4: but today I'm okay. Today, I don't Right today, I

56:06 Speaker 4: don't have lung cancer. Today, I don't have emphysema. You know,

56:10 Speaker 4: today I don't have heart disease that I know of.

56:14 Speaker 4: Right as far as I know, today's fine. So I'll

56:16 Speaker 4: just I'll keep smoking, and then tomorrow comes and it's like, yeah.

56:20 Speaker 9: It's also addictive. It's also that physical addiction to it

56:24 Speaker 9: as well, and I think being in the yoga room

56:25 Speaker 9: sweating and all of that helped with me. I started

56:29 Speaker 9: playing even before I quit. I started playing these games

56:31 Speaker 9: of you know, I'm going to wait till I I

56:33 Speaker 9: would drive from the yogust yeago, I wait till I

56:36 Speaker 9: get to this point before I have a cigarette. I'll

56:38 Speaker 9: wait till I this I'll wait till I get in

56:40 Speaker 9: my car in the morning, instead of having a cigarette

56:42 Speaker 9: the morning when I get up. So it started sort

56:44 Speaker 9: of playing these games to put off how much I

56:47 Speaker 9: was smoking. But you know, but but I hadn't really

56:50 Speaker 9: gone less than I was still a packa day smoker. Yeah,

56:53 Speaker 9: And it was funny because I was somebody I knew

56:55 Speaker 9: I was an addict. I knew I was an addict

56:56 Speaker 9: when I was quite young. I started smoking at thirteen.

56:59 Speaker 4: Most people people do that. That's that's probably average. Yes,

57:03 Speaker 4: my experience.

57:04 Speaker 9: I always think if we could keep kids from smoking

57:06 Speaker 9: until after high school, then they're not going to be

57:09 Speaker 9: that many smokers because you have to get addicted young.

57:12 Speaker 9: And so it was. It was an addiction for me.

57:17 Speaker 9: But it was also a mental addiction. So I started

57:20 Speaker 9: playing that game and started breaking that. But the sweating

57:22 Speaker 9: they getting in there doing something hard and knowing that

57:25 Speaker 9: I could do something hard, Yeah, and that made it

57:29 Speaker 9: easier to quit smoking, because in my head that was going.

57:32 Speaker 4: To be hard, right.

57:34 Speaker 9: And there's never really been a time. There's only once

57:36 Speaker 9: that i've I've had the urged cigarette, which was in

57:39 Speaker 9: a stupid moment when my daughter actually had been diagnosed

57:42 Speaker 9: with cancer. It was her first treatment at the hospital

57:44 Speaker 9: and I had stepped outside just to like get to marriage.

57:47 Speaker 9: Somebody was smoking and I thought, and I thought, sitting

57:50 Speaker 9: outside of cancer center cigarette. But it's that sort of

57:54 Speaker 9: like it's still that somewhere in my head. It's still

57:57 Speaker 9: that crutch, sure, you know, somewhere, So I don't think

58:00 Speaker 9: it ever goes away. But you have all these coping techniques.

58:04 Speaker 9: And that's what all the wellness stuff that I offer is.

58:06 Speaker 9: It's just tools. And even about the book I wrote

58:09 Speaker 9: is called The Toolbox, Tools for Teaching Bickram Yoga. It's

58:12 Speaker 9: just tools you're putting in your toolbox. And I tell people,

58:14 Speaker 9: if you smoke, it's okay, come to yoga anyway. The

58:17 Speaker 9: smoking doesn't get in the way of the yoga. The

58:19 Speaker 9: yoga might get in the way.

58:20 Speaker 4: Of your smoking, right, which is a good thing.

58:22 Speaker 9: Which is a good thing. Yeah, but it's just another

58:25 Speaker 9: tool to put in your toolbox. So letting go of

58:28 Speaker 9: the blaming yourself and thinking I can't because I'm this,

58:32 Speaker 9: I can't be this. We are unique, each, unique and

58:36 Speaker 9: open human beings that can be lots of things at once, right,

58:39 Speaker 9: not to open our mind to it. You can be

58:40 Speaker 9: a smoker and someone who does yoga, right, right, that's

58:43 Speaker 9: perfectly okay.

58:44 Speaker 4: Well, the thing with smoking too is and you know, smokers,

58:48 Speaker 4: a lot of smokers in my experience don't like to

58:50 Speaker 4: hear this because it takes away some of the excuses.

58:55 Speaker 4: But it's it's the addiction part of it. Obviously, the

59:00 Speaker 4: physical addiction is real, Nickoteen is highly addictive, But the

59:03 Speaker 4: psychological addiction is what's really the big problem because the

59:08 Speaker 4: physical addiction works itself out of you in a relatively

59:12 Speaker 4: short period of time. Oh yeah, you know, doing something

59:14 Speaker 4: like yoga where you're sweating, sweating out those toxins and everything.

59:17 Speaker 4: The physical addiction you can get pai if you can

59:20 Speaker 4: just get past that, that takes days that part of it.

59:24 Speaker 4: It's the psychological.

59:25 Speaker 9: That moment of wanting a cigarette was I probably hadn't

59:28 Speaker 9: spoken twelve or fifteen years. It wasn't a physical addiction exactly.

59:33 Speaker 4: It was that something in your brain.

59:34 Speaker 9: It was something in your brain when like, this is

59:37 Speaker 9: how we relieve stress, this is how we There's still

59:39 Speaker 9: that thing, but it's just that it's that idea of

59:42 Speaker 9: in that moment of stress, also searching outside of yourself

59:46 Speaker 9: for the answer as opposed to looking. And this must

59:48 Speaker 9: be some of the stuff you teach in hypnosis. When

59:51 Speaker 9: you have that anxiety, when you have that urge to smoke,

59:54 Speaker 9: you can't go outside yourself for the answer. It's not there.

59:56 Speaker 9: That's but all those