Matt Connarton Unleashed: Boeden Greenley, author of Perseverance

0:00 Speaker 1: Bowden. Can you hear me? Yes, sir, very good Bowden Greenley?

0:03 Speaker 1: Am I saying that correctly? Boden?

0:05 Speaker 2: Yes, that's right.

0:06 Speaker 1: Okay, that's not a name I think I've ever seen before,

0:09 Speaker 1: but I like it. It's cool. Yeah, So Boden Greenley

0:12 Speaker 1: is skyping in. Now where are you, Bowden? Where are

0:14 Speaker 1: you located?

0:15 Speaker 2: I'm in North Dakota, North Dakota.

0:19 Speaker 1: Oh, okay, Fargo. Well we all we all know about

0:21 Speaker 1: Fargo because of the movie. But uh so you have

0:27 Speaker 1: written a book which I read, and thank you for

0:29 Speaker 1: sending that to us. Uh person, perseverance and very you know,

0:35 Speaker 1: I referenced earlier when I when I mentioned that you

0:37 Speaker 1: were going to be joining us. Uh, I mentioned that,

0:40 Speaker 1: you know, pretty pretty heavy stuff. It's a heavy subject.

0:43 Speaker 1: It's it's a light read in the sense that it's

0:45 Speaker 1: not particularly long. But but but it's not a light

0:50 Speaker 1: read in the sense that, like I said, it's it's

0:53 Speaker 1: it's pretty heavy stuff. And let me let me ask

0:57 Speaker 1: you this right up front, and we can kind of

0:58 Speaker 1: work backwards a little bit. But I want to know

1:01 Speaker 1: this and then we'll get into for our listeners what

1:03 Speaker 1: it's about and everything. But how is your mother now,

1:05 Speaker 1: because the book is of course about the ordeal health

1:09 Speaker 1: wise that your mother has been through. As we sit

1:11 Speaker 1: here today, how is she doing?

1:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, so's she's definitely better than she was at her

1:17 Speaker 2: worst by a lot. But she's certainly not one hundred percent.

1:19 Speaker 2: I'd say, somewhere in the forty percent realm.

1:23 Speaker 1: Oh wow, okay, which I think. I think in the

1:26 Speaker 1: book that's kind of where you left it was about

1:29 Speaker 1: she was at about forty percent.

1:31 Speaker 2: So yes, So.

1:33 Speaker 1: Boden, if if we could, can you go ahead and

1:35 Speaker 1: tell us about the book and what it's about, and

1:39 Speaker 1: you know, I'm sure I'll have some questions. I read

1:41 Speaker 1: it the other night, and I'll have some questions along

1:43 Speaker 1: the way. But for our listeners to kind of get

1:45 Speaker 1: get acquainted, i'd like you to kind of tell us

1:48 Speaker 1: a little bit about the book and what it is

1:51 Speaker 1: that drove you to write this.

1:54 Speaker 2: Yeah. So this was something that I'd wanted to write

1:57 Speaker 2: for a long time. It was a situation that directly

2:01 Speaker 2: involved me, and once I got a little older here,

2:04 Speaker 2: I was like, I feel like this is something that

2:07 Speaker 2: is more common than the industry makes it seem like.

2:11 Speaker 2: It is like this is something to me. I feel

2:14 Speaker 2: everybody kind of sweeps under the rug, and I really

2:16 Speaker 2: wanted to get this story out there and make people

2:20 Speaker 2: knowledgeable on this topic. So basically going back, so right now,

2:24 Speaker 2: I'm nineteen years old. This started when I was about

2:27 Speaker 2: twelve years old. So going back, she had a tooth

2:33 Speaker 2: issue going on, and she was needed an implant and

2:37 Speaker 2: was debating on getting a ceramic or a titanium implant,

2:42 Speaker 2: and she doctors pushed her to go titanium. She decided

2:46 Speaker 2: to go titanium, got that put in there, and then

2:51 Speaker 2: probably like three months after getting it, she started getting

2:55 Speaker 2: all these terrible things going on in her body, started

2:59 Speaker 2: getting really bad. She ended up getting it out like

3:04 Speaker 2: probably seven months after that, and then just from there

3:08 Speaker 2: on just kept it was really bad that next year

3:13 Speaker 2: and then got a little bit better, but then it's

3:15 Speaker 2: still been struggling with problems for a long long time.

3:18 Speaker 1: And and as this is going on, did she or

3:22 Speaker 1: did anyone have any idea that it was the tooth?

3:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I mean it was. It was pretty much

3:27 Speaker 2: clear as day that it was the tooth. She was

3:31 Speaker 2: she was as healthy as you could possibly be. Prior

3:34 Speaker 2: to this. She was a person that was like lifting

3:37 Speaker 2: every day, ran a lot all these things, and no

3:41 Speaker 2: just common anything was taken her down at all. Like

3:45 Speaker 2: she was. She was literally as healthy as it could

3:48 Speaker 2: be and then got this tooth and right after boom

3:51 Speaker 2: we got we had problems galore.

3:55 Speaker 1: And this is Have you been able to find other

3:58 Speaker 1: documented cases similar to this or or is this such

4:02 Speaker 1: a rare thing that that that you really can't find

4:06 Speaker 1: anything like this happening to anybody.

4:09 Speaker 2: Yeah? I actually, you know, I haven't looked into specific

4:14 Speaker 2: cas as a ton, but even so, I'm from a

4:16 Speaker 2: pretty small town and I even know a couple people

4:20 Speaker 2: close to me that had similar symptoms to my mom

4:23 Speaker 2: when getting titanium put in their body, So I know

4:26 Speaker 2: that this happens.

4:27 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, it's frustrating.

4:32 Speaker 2: You know.

4:33 Speaker 1: Jenny, of course, with her her experience and what she's

4:37 Speaker 1: been through, she knows a lot about when it's difficult

4:40 Speaker 1: to get something diagnosed and you know, figuring out exactly

4:44 Speaker 1: what the problem is. You know, she has a lot

4:45 Speaker 1: of experience with that, and I'm sure there's a lot

4:49 Speaker 1: of people who can relate to that. You know, when

4:50 Speaker 1: you're dealing with something that's unusual, it's it's so much

4:55 Speaker 1: harder to get it diagnosed, because you know, if it's

4:59 Speaker 1: not something common, you know, really, I mean, why would

5:02 Speaker 1: the medical community know a lot about it or be

5:05 Speaker 1: able to figure out and identify the problem and then

5:08 Speaker 1: go from there and figure out solutions if it's something

5:10 Speaker 1: that doesn't happen very often.

5:12 Speaker 2: H exactly.

5:14 Speaker 1: So, So the titanium, it's sort of poisoned her, right,

5:19 Speaker 1: It caused her, It wrecked her health in a sense. Right.

5:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, So this is one thing I want to really

5:26 Speaker 2: kind of make clear here. So in my opinion, I

5:30 Speaker 2: don't believe that the titanium is a huge issue when

5:34 Speaker 2: dealing with this. The problem is titanium implants are six

5:38 Speaker 2: percent aluminum, and that's where the problem became. So they

5:43 Speaker 2: use aluminum as a filler metal. It's because aluminum per

5:47 Speaker 2: ounce is way cheaper than titanium per ounce, so they

5:51 Speaker 2: can use that. And keep in mind they're outputting two

5:54 Speaker 2: point five million implants per year, so when you're talking

5:58 Speaker 2: that scale, that money that it takes to create the implant,

6:04 Speaker 2: that really matters. So the aluminum was the issue.

6:08 Speaker 3: And if I were, oh, go ahead, Jenny, would no,

6:12 Speaker 3: I'm just I'm shocked. Yeah, And I never knew. I

6:16 Speaker 3: never knew that there was aluminum in the titanium implants.

6:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, it never knew that. It's interesting that you

6:21 Speaker 1: say that because I think in the book, I think

6:23 Speaker 1: you kind of talk about that too, Votin that they

6:27 Speaker 1: don't tell you that up front, right, Like don't they

6:29 Speaker 1: kind of sell it to you as it's titanium and

6:32 Speaker 1: they just say that's what it is, And they don't

6:34 Speaker 1: tell you while it's titanium, but it's also aluminum and

6:36 Speaker 1: it's this and it's that.

6:38 Speaker 2: Yeah exactly. And it's like maybe somewhere in the fine

6:42 Speaker 2: print of the contract that's what they say it in there. Yeah,

6:46 Speaker 2: but they definitely don't make it clear when they're telling you,

6:48 Speaker 2: that's for sure. And the thing too is, I don't

6:52 Speaker 2: know if you guys know, lately there's been a big

6:55 Speaker 2: uprising with aluminum in the deodorance.

6:59 Speaker 4: That I'm very if I'm a breast cancer survivor.

7:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah exactly. So it's like, to me, how

7:06 Speaker 2: can so now everybody's opening up to aluminum and deodorance,

7:10 Speaker 2: which is simply just putting it on topically on your skin,

7:14 Speaker 2: but then it's okay to implant it into your body.

7:16 Speaker 2: It's like, that makes no sense.

7:19 Speaker 3: Right, that's a super valid point. Yeah, one hundred Yeah,

7:23 Speaker 3: aluminum and deodorant. That's one of the things. One of

7:25 Speaker 3: the first things they told me to stop using was

7:28 Speaker 3: antiperspirant because that's the main ingredient there is the aluminum. Yep,

7:33 Speaker 3: deordorant by itself doesn't have it right.

7:36 Speaker 2: Right. And let me take a guess. So you said

7:38 Speaker 2: you're a breast cancer survivor.

7:40 Speaker 4: Yep.

7:41 Speaker 2: Was your breast cancer like really close to your armpit?

7:46 Speaker 3: No, actually, it was closer to my back. It was

7:50 Speaker 3: in the back of my breast tissue. And there was

7:54 Speaker 3: also a pre cancerous area that had started under the areola.

8:00 Speaker 4: Okay, I kind of had it on both.

8:02 Speaker 3: Sides of this area as far as thickness goes. It

8:05 Speaker 3: was way up front and way in the back.

8:06 Speaker 1: Does make it does make you wonder though, a little bit, right,

8:10 Speaker 1: of course, of course.

8:11 Speaker 3: I mean I can remember when I was a kid,

8:14 Speaker 3: my dad going, it's time for you to get the odorant. Now,

8:16 Speaker 3: you know it like it was like a thing you

8:19 Speaker 3: had to start using deodorant. I mean, yeah, and always

8:22 Speaker 3: used yodorant. That's like it's ingrained into your head, right,

8:26 Speaker 3: how many of us bring it to school and reapply?

8:29 Speaker 2: I mean, right, yeah, yeah, I was reading a study

8:33 Speaker 2: the other day. I don't remember exactly what it was,

8:35 Speaker 2: but there's a big increase in breast cancer towards the

8:41 Speaker 2: or really close to the armpit because of the they're

8:46 Speaker 2: saying it's directly linked to the aluminum in the well.

8:49 Speaker 3: That's that's where the main lymph nodes start, and that's

8:55 Speaker 3: where the first two lymph nodes are that are normally

8:57 Speaker 3: and in my case, we're dissected and removed, and some

9:01 Speaker 3: people lose way more than that because they keep going.

9:04 Speaker 3: They start with those lymph nodes right in the armpit.

9:06 Speaker 3: You're one hundred percent correct, and then it goes backwards

9:10 Speaker 3: from there.

9:10 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, that's interesting.

9:12 Speaker 3: You've certainly done your resource, that's for sure. And this

9:15 Speaker 3: is good information to be sharing. Most people don't consider

9:18 Speaker 3: what's in their anti presperot right that they're using, and

9:20 Speaker 3: that aluminum actually like blocks you and then gets into

9:24 Speaker 3: your body.

9:24 Speaker 2: Yeah right, right, and that's why they put it in there,

9:28 Speaker 2: because it actually clogs the gland so you don't sweat

9:31 Speaker 2: as much.

9:32 Speaker 4: Exactly.

9:33 Speaker 1: That makes sense.

9:34 Speaker 3: That makes sense, and nobody nobody wants to sweat and

9:37 Speaker 3: be sky.

9:38 Speaker 4: And you're you're really better off if you do sweat.

9:41 Speaker 2: Wedding is a good thing.

9:42 Speaker 4: Your body's supposed to do it for a reason.

9:45 Speaker 1: Yes, that's true. One of the things that surprised me

9:50 Speaker 1: in the book Boden was and and this surprised me

9:55 Speaker 1: in a very sad way. Is I kind of thought

9:58 Speaker 1: as I'm reading it, as you're going through the story,

10:01 Speaker 1: once they identified that the tooth was the that titanium

10:06 Speaker 1: slash aluminum tooth was what was probably the issue, and

10:10 Speaker 1: they took it out, I would have thought. I would

10:14 Speaker 1: have hoped that over time she would start to get better.

10:19 Speaker 1: And I guess she did start to get better, right,

10:21 Speaker 1: but not enough. As you said, even today she's still

10:24 Speaker 1: at only forty percent. Because I remember getting to that

10:26 Speaker 1: part in the story and thinking, Okay, this is probably

10:29 Speaker 1: a good turning point. Right now she's now that they've

10:32 Speaker 1: taken that out, hopefully she's hopefully she's sweating it out.

10:35 Speaker 1: Hopefully you know, it's it's leaving her body, but apparently

10:40 Speaker 1: not or or maybe it has, but the damage is done.

10:45 Speaker 1: I don't know, I mean, what what do you say

10:48 Speaker 1: about that?

10:50 Speaker 2: Yeah? It really is remarkable to me, and I truly

10:53 Speaker 2: don't understand it. We I don't know. I think she

10:57 Speaker 2: might go in here and see we were thinking there

11:01 Speaker 2: might still be fragments of something in her body.

11:05 Speaker 4: Because that's what I'm thinking.

11:06 Speaker 2: There's absolutely no way something takes this long to heal,

11:12 Speaker 2: and I just think her body is whatever is in

11:16 Speaker 2: her body, she just cannot defend it. So yeah, it's it.

11:21 Speaker 2: Truly is remarkable. And if there isn't anything else, I

11:24 Speaker 2: don't know. She just yeah, her body just fighting it

11:27 Speaker 2: off is impossible. It's crazy.

11:31 Speaker 3: I'm wondering what got put into her bloodstream, into her body.

11:34 Speaker 3: Because this is really hitting home for me because of

11:37 Speaker 3: the Tomockspin toxicity that I have. Yeah, I'm Tomock's been toxic.

11:41 Speaker 3: My body can't get rid of it. It implanted itself

11:44 Speaker 3: everywhere and I'll always be Tomock's fin toxic.

11:47 Speaker 4: There's no way to clear it out of my body.

11:49 Speaker 3: So and it has had significant effects to my eyes.

11:54 Speaker 4: And my ears.

11:54 Speaker 3: I mean, my right eye has a hole in it

11:56 Speaker 3: because of it. But I'm like relating to your mom's

11:59 Speaker 3: story so much because I'm thinking, yeah, she had this

12:03 Speaker 3: in her body, and your mouth is actually super super

12:07 Speaker 3: for us, right, This is in fact, it's one of

12:10 Speaker 3: the fastest ways to give you a medication is under

12:12 Speaker 3: your tongue. That is literally one of the fastest ways.

12:15 Speaker 3: So you have to remember that it's also one of

12:17 Speaker 3: the quickest ways to get sick because it's oftentimes people

12:21 Speaker 3: will get a tooth infection those untreated gets into the

12:24 Speaker 3: blood system and now you can actually die from it.

12:27 Speaker 3: I mean, I've seen I have seen people in the

12:29 Speaker 3: intensive care unit with something that started in their mouth,

12:33 Speaker 3: So that's one hundred percent true. So it makes me

12:36 Speaker 3: think that that aluminum that was in her mouth for

12:39 Speaker 3: however long, that there's some kind of like chemical or

12:42 Speaker 3: whatever that got into her bloodstream because of that, and

12:46 Speaker 3: is just simply she's.

12:48 Speaker 4: Got it and it maybe it's just not you know, there's.

12:51 Speaker 3: No there may be no way to completely cleanse her

12:55 Speaker 3: of it, as there is no way to completely cleanse

12:58 Speaker 3: me of tomoxifen always going to have deposits in various

13:01 Speaker 3: parts of my body of it, Yeah.

13:03 Speaker 4: I wonder if that's what it is.

13:05 Speaker 3: You know, I just feel so identify with with your

13:08 Speaker 3: mom so much because of that.

13:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, what inspired you to write the book Boden.

13:17 Speaker 2: Yeah. I So my main reason is I want to

13:20 Speaker 2: get this information out there. I you know, I come

13:24 Speaker 2: back to do I think titanium is the worst thing

13:27 Speaker 2: in the world. No, but if we're going to be

13:30 Speaker 2: still doing these things, it needs to be one hundred

13:33 Speaker 2: percent titanium or I believe that ceramic or zirconia implants

13:39 Speaker 2: are much superior. That's what the holistic dentists are preaching now.

13:44 Speaker 2: But I just want people to be aware that when

13:46 Speaker 2: they put these things in their body, that there's a

13:49 Speaker 2: even if it's a really small chance that it completely

13:51 Speaker 2: ruins your life. And I think that that is going

13:54 Speaker 2: to make you think twice before getting it.

13:57 Speaker 1: Yeah. And I assume too, you're only nineteen, right, so

14:00 Speaker 1: I assume your mom is is pretty young and she's

14:02 Speaker 1: got she's got a lot ahead of her.

14:04 Speaker 2: So yeah, she's forty eight.

14:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, So it's it's got to be. And you

14:09 Speaker 1: talked too in the book about how prior to all

14:11 Speaker 1: this happening, she was very healthy, very fit, and uh

14:15 Speaker 1: not someone who I mean, it's it's got to be. Obviously,

14:18 Speaker 1: it would be difficult for anybody to go through this,

14:21 Speaker 1: but I would imagine it's especially difficult for someone like

14:24 Speaker 1: her who's used to being so active.

14:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean it, it is terrible. I mean none,

14:30 Speaker 2: nothing short of terrible. She she's super fit person, she

14:34 Speaker 2: was a dietitian, physical trainer all that, so that was

14:37 Speaker 2: like her big thing and it's been really difficult, hard.

14:42 Speaker 1: There's a point in the book too that that I

14:44 Speaker 1: found particularly heartbreaking. When she was she she was at

14:50 Speaker 1: a point where she was starting to feel better, significantly better,

14:53 Speaker 1: and it seemed like it was a really good turning point,

14:55 Speaker 1: and she kind of maybe she pushed herself a little

14:58 Speaker 1: too hard or something, but she was out somewhere I

15:01 Speaker 1: think maybe with one of your siblings, if I remember correctly, Yes,

15:04 Speaker 1: and she was really she was having a good day

15:06 Speaker 1: and it was going well and she's feeling good, and

15:08 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden, she just started feeling terrible again,

15:13 Speaker 1: and it was just this enormous setback, and I think

15:16 Speaker 1: she fell, if I remember correctly.

15:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, So so there there was kind of two. So

15:22 Speaker 2: you're referring to when she took my little brother to

15:26 Speaker 2: the zoo, and actually, oh yeah, it wasn't It wasn't

15:30 Speaker 2: anything super crazy. She just she literally just walked too much.

15:34 Speaker 2: That's what she says. She walked too much that day

15:37 Speaker 2: and she felt like a big just drop. She calls

15:42 Speaker 2: it poison in her body because that's it feels like

15:46 Speaker 2: tingling all over, and she felt it drop into her legs,

15:49 Speaker 2: and she said she knew she was in trouble when

15:51 Speaker 2: that happened. Oh god. Yeah.

15:54 Speaker 1: And then it was after that it was kind of

15:56 Speaker 1: back to square one, right.

15:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, So she had up to that point, she

16:01 Speaker 2: had gotten that was the best she'd been before that day.

16:04 Speaker 2: She was probably up to a good sixty percent, and

16:08 Speaker 2: then yeah, that happened, and been struggling more with the

16:12 Speaker 2: lower body.

16:13 Speaker 1: Now, wow, that's horrible.

16:15 Speaker 3: It sounds like CPS. Yeah, yeah, because that's what happened

16:18 Speaker 3: with me. Everything was upper body and then it dropped

16:20 Speaker 3: into my legs.

16:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, exactly.

16:23 Speaker 3: So crazy. I'm so sorry your mom has had to

16:25 Speaker 3: struggle through these. I commend you for what you're doing.

16:28 Speaker 3: It's so important to get this, to get information out

16:31 Speaker 3: there so people are informed and can make informed choices.

16:35 Speaker 2: Absolutely.

16:36 Speaker 1: How does she feel about the book?

16:40 Speaker 2: You know, so kind of funnier right away. So I

16:44 Speaker 2: didn't tell her that I wrote it until it was

16:46 Speaker 2: already done because I knew that she was kind of

16:49 Speaker 2: a stubborn person and it is kind of embarrassed about

16:53 Speaker 2: the whole situation, and probably did not want to be

16:56 Speaker 2: a main focal talking point. But then once I brought

17:00 Speaker 2: it to her, she was really happy and we had

17:02 Speaker 2: a good moment about it, and I told her that

17:04 Speaker 2: this is a message that needs to get out there,

17:06 Speaker 2: and it sucks that you're kind of the talking point,

17:09 Speaker 2: but it has to get out there. I just don't

17:11 Speaker 2: want to see this happen to a lot of people.

17:13 Speaker 1: So has this kind of spurred her to do any

17:18 Speaker 1: other Like does she do any interviews or any kind

17:21 Speaker 1: of media about this or is it just just your

17:24 Speaker 1: book for now that you've written.

17:27 Speaker 2: Mainly just my book for now. Yeah, she's not. She

17:31 Speaker 2: just doesn't really like that kind of thing talking about it.

17:33 Speaker 2: You know, she's just a super she's a stubborn person,

17:37 Speaker 2: she's tough nosed, and she's yeah, like I said, kind

17:40 Speaker 2: of embarrassed about it. So I'll be the guy to

17:42 Speaker 2: talk about it absolutely.

17:44 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, but I mean, you know, to be able

17:46 Speaker 1: to do this and even survive, you know, you've got

17:48 Speaker 1: to be tough, right, So so yeah, someone not with

17:52 Speaker 1: the fortitude that she obviously has. You know, a would

17:56 Speaker 1: have thrown in the towel by now, But she's obviously

17:58 Speaker 1: a very strong person to be able to continue to

18:00 Speaker 1: deal with this every day and continue to function and

18:02 Speaker 1: live and wow, And have you written other things prior

18:08 Speaker 1: to this or is this your first book or have.

18:11 Speaker 2: You red this was my first book?

18:13 Speaker 1: Wow? Good for you, Good for you. No, it's excellent.

18:17 Speaker 1: Did you have an editor or did you do everything yourself?

18:20 Speaker 2: Or yeah? I had, I had an editor, and then

18:23 Speaker 2: I had a guy who helped me with the cover.

18:25 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, No, it's very good. I

18:28 Speaker 1: encourage people to read it.

18:30 Speaker 4: Oh.

18:30 Speaker 1: I'm also curious because I don't think you addressed this

18:34 Speaker 1: specifically in the book, but in terms of so they

18:37 Speaker 1: removed the titanium, you know, and partially aluminum tooth. Did

18:42 Speaker 1: they replace it with something or does she just not

18:44 Speaker 1: have a tooth there now or what happened there?

18:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, she's just empty there?

18:48 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, yes, sir, I didn't know if I didn't

18:53 Speaker 1: know if there was a danger in not putting something

18:55 Speaker 1: else there or I mean, I guess at the moment,

18:59 Speaker 1: it probably doesn't much matter because what what she's already

19:02 Speaker 1: dealing with is so difficult that.

19:05 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly, it was like at the time when they

19:07 Speaker 2: were taking it out, you know, they probably would have

19:09 Speaker 2: wanted to put something back over top, but she was

19:12 Speaker 2: just like, I feel so bad right now, just get

19:14 Speaker 2: it out and we'll deal with it after.

19:17 Speaker 1: That makes sense, though, I can definitely understand that. I

19:20 Speaker 1: can understand that is there any is there any kind

19:26 Speaker 1: of hope? What have you and she and your family

19:29 Speaker 1: been able to find anything that any sort of alternative

19:33 Speaker 1: treatment or anything that that might help her or she

19:36 Speaker 1: just kind of kind of stuck at forty percent, And

19:39 Speaker 1: that's that's kind of it for the moment.

19:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, I've I've been really reaching out to a lot

19:45 Speaker 2: of people I've found in the more alley of holistic dentistry,

19:50 Speaker 2: which is more like natural practice dentistry, and there's some

19:55 Speaker 2: there's potentially some heavy metal detox we're gonna look into

19:59 Speaker 2: down the road here that I want to get into.

20:03 Speaker 2: But she's actually going in I believe next week sometime

20:07 Speaker 2: to get a scan of her head to make sure

20:10 Speaker 2: there's no leftover fragments.

20:13 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, excellent, and then if uh, of course and

20:18 Speaker 1: that's that'll be if they find something, that's half the

20:22 Speaker 1: battle I guess right, locating, But then they have to

20:24 Speaker 1: figure out how to get it out right.

20:26 Speaker 2: So exactly, which then that will be difficult. But if

20:29 Speaker 2: they find something, we'll get it done.

20:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, and at least too then you'll know. Then you'll

20:33 Speaker 1: have an answer, you know, Is that? Is that? What

20:35 Speaker 1: it is? Is there any kind of a theory about why? Because,

20:41 Speaker 1: like I said that, there's that point where she started

20:43 Speaker 1: feeling significantly better. I mean, I assume you've probably all

20:49 Speaker 1: been over this a million times, but has have have

20:52 Speaker 1: you and she and your family tried to figure out

20:54 Speaker 1: what it was during that period that was different that

20:58 Speaker 1: helped her to feel so much better before where she

21:00 Speaker 1: she had that setback and all of that.

21:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, I I really don't know. It's such

21:06 Speaker 2: a it's such an interesting thing to me. It's like,

21:10 Speaker 2: like you stated earlier, It's like when when once we

21:12 Speaker 2: got it removed, you're thinking, all right, we're probably getting

21:16 Speaker 2: better here, you know, eventually at least, yeah, she was,

21:20 Speaker 2: she was getting so much better, and I'm thinking, oh, yes,

21:23 Speaker 2: I'm fine, my mom's finally gonna be all the way better,

21:25 Speaker 2: and then it was just like one day she walks

21:29 Speaker 2: too much, Like what the f. You know, there's there's

21:32 Speaker 2: no way. I mean, she she was as fit as

21:35 Speaker 2: somebody could be, so to her, even walking a lot,

21:37 Speaker 2: that was like exerting twenty percent. You know, So there's

21:41 Speaker 2: there's just no and I, yeah, I really don't understand.

21:44 Speaker 2: But yeah, to answer your question, I I don't really

21:47 Speaker 2: know what it was exactly. Yeah.

21:50 Speaker 1: Yeah, And it must be so hard to And you

21:54 Speaker 1: do talk about this quite a bit in the book.

21:56 Speaker 1: You know, you get very personal about the challenge is

22:00 Speaker 1: or your family. You know, obviously she's going through this

22:02 Speaker 1: terrible thing, but it but it affects all of you.

22:05 Speaker 1: You know, it affects your dad and your siblings and

22:08 Speaker 1: how hard that is and how you know and when

22:11 Speaker 1: you're a kid, you know, I mean it's probably although adults,

22:15 Speaker 1: it's it's a challenge for anybody right of any age,

22:17 Speaker 1: but especially when you're growing up and you know when

22:21 Speaker 1: you're this started when you were twelve, right, you said

22:23 Speaker 1: you were twelve when this whole thing started, Yes, sir,

22:25 Speaker 1: Like you don't know at that age how to handle

22:28 Speaker 1: all of this emotionally and to see your mother going

22:31 Speaker 1: through this and you're sibling. Are you the oldest of uh?

22:35 Speaker 1: Are you the oldest of three?

22:36 Speaker 4: Is that?

22:37 Speaker 2: Yes, I am the oldest. And then I get right

22:40 Speaker 2: in so right now I'm nineteen. I have a middle

22:43 Speaker 2: brother who's sixteen, and then I have a youngest brother's ten.

22:46 Speaker 1: Oh wow, yeah, I mean your ten year old brothers.

22:49 Speaker 1: You know, for him, it's got to be very very hard.

22:52 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh absolutely, yeah, Yeah, it was really hard. And

22:56 Speaker 2: I talked about this a little bit. I did a

22:58 Speaker 2: bad job as well. You know, I was I was

23:01 Speaker 2: so young, and I kind of just got caught up

23:03 Speaker 2: in my own little world and I almost I talked

23:07 Speaker 2: about a little bit. I almost got annoyed, you know,

23:10 Speaker 2: it'd say, why am why is this? This just isn't

23:13 Speaker 2: fair to me, selfishly thinking why is my mom like this?

23:17 Speaker 2: This is ridiculous. But then it's like later on it's like,

23:21 Speaker 2: oh man, I was terrible.

23:23 Speaker 3: You know, now, don't do that to yourself, to yourself.

23:27 Speaker 3: You're you're you're young, you're you know, you're a kid.

23:31 Speaker 3: Your brain is wired a particular way, and it's not

23:34 Speaker 3: a bad thing about you that in that moment you

23:37 Speaker 3: weren't able to view the entire the entirety of what

23:40 Speaker 3: was going on. And that's just a process of getting older.

23:45 Speaker 3: You can't fault yourself for being a kid and not

23:48 Speaker 3: seeing a full view because you just didn't get there yet.

23:51 Speaker 4: You know, now you do.

23:52 Speaker 3: Look at everything you're doing. You're doing incredible things. You

23:54 Speaker 3: didn't just come around. You came around to become a

23:57 Speaker 3: champion to make sure that other people are forewarned. And

24:01 Speaker 3: that's absolutely remarkable.

24:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, I appreciate that.

24:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely. I mean it's you know, it's good to

24:09 Speaker 1: reflect on.

24:11 Speaker 2: This.

24:11 Speaker 1: There's such a thin line between you know, kind of

24:14 Speaker 1: reflecting and analyzing, a thin line between that and ruminating

24:19 Speaker 1: on the past and beating yourself up and whatnot. But

24:22 Speaker 1: I but I think it. You know, it's good to

24:23 Speaker 1: reflect on on what you maybe could have done differently

24:29 Speaker 1: so that you're able to be supportive going forward. But again,

24:33 Speaker 1: like Jenny, like Jenny said, I mean, when you're a kid,

24:35 Speaker 1: you know, you're you're still trying to mature and and

24:39 Speaker 1: uh and grow emotionally, and you know, to feel some

24:43 Speaker 1: sort of resentment or frustration along the way or well,

24:46 Speaker 1: you know, that's perfectly normal. That's normal for adults too.

24:49 Speaker 1: But but especially when you're a kid. It's like, you know,

24:52 Speaker 1: you got a you really got got your family, your

24:55 Speaker 1: mom especially, but your family really got delta BA bad hand,

24:59 Speaker 1: uh with this whole situation. So you did the best

25:02 Speaker 1: you could. And and and the great thing about writing

25:05 Speaker 1: this book is, you know, hopefully this is going to

25:07 Speaker 1: help other people. Like you said, you want to raise

25:09 Speaker 1: awareness about this and kind of warn people about what

25:12 Speaker 1: they might be getting into. And uh, you know, make

25:16 Speaker 1: sure too that you're you know, if somebody wants to

25:17 Speaker 1: put titanium in, you read the fine print, make sure

25:21 Speaker 1: you know is ask your doctor, ask the surgeon. Is

25:24 Speaker 1: there anything else other than titanium. I'm trying to think

25:28 Speaker 1: of what else do they use titanium for it? I'm

25:30 Speaker 1: not sure hip replacements right, I think hip replacements are.

25:34 Speaker 3: Everything pretty much is because it doesn't set up a

25:36 Speaker 3: metal detector, and it's it's it's a rather good material,

25:40 Speaker 3: you know, I mean everybody, you know, you need to

25:42 Speaker 3: be informed. Maybe there's things you look out for, you know,

25:45 Speaker 3: maybe maybe there's some kind of allergy involved with aluminium

25:50 Speaker 3: that triggers in some people and not others.

25:52 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know, you don't.

25:54 Speaker 3: I'm a titanium knee and it went remarkably well. Yeah,

25:58 Speaker 3: so there's there's the good and you know, well this

26:00 Speaker 3: couldn't baden anything. So really just being fully informed and

26:03 Speaker 3: then making informed choices, you know, or maybe you know,

26:06 Speaker 3: maybe you get tested for heavy metal or whatever. I

26:09 Speaker 3: don't know what the exact answer is to it, you know.

26:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, doesn't sound like anyone does.

26:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's it's kind of it's kind of tough because,

26:18 Speaker 2: like you said, and I kind of say this a

26:20 Speaker 2: little bit too, it's like most people are probably gonna

26:23 Speaker 2: get it and be just fine. But in my opinion,

26:27 Speaker 2: I think if something like this is even a potential,

26:30 Speaker 2: I just don't find myself taking that risk. And I

26:34 Speaker 2: think as time goes on, we're going to start to

26:36 Speaker 2: see alternatives that are safer or at least, like I said,

26:41 Speaker 2: I would like to see everything be all one hundred

26:45 Speaker 2: percent titanium. I would be more okay with that even.

26:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Now that you've written this book, do

26:54 Speaker 1: you have plans to write another one or are you

26:56 Speaker 1: going to continue writing or maybe maybe write about other

27:00 Speaker 1: things or what's kind of your trajectory in terms of writing.

27:04 Speaker 2: Yeah? So I never thought I would do anything even

27:08 Speaker 2: close to this. It's funny because when I was probably

27:12 Speaker 2: mid teens, I said how much I hated reading, and

27:14 Speaker 2: then now I'm just I'm just a reading freak. I

27:17 Speaker 2: love reading and I love writing too. So yeah, but

27:20 Speaker 2: as for writing more, my hope, my hope is that

27:24 Speaker 2: we find an answer with my mom, we get her detox,

27:26 Speaker 2: and I want to write about that. That is my

27:29 Speaker 2: That is my end goal.

27:30 Speaker 1: Oh and that would be wonderful. That would be a

27:32 Speaker 1: wonderful book to write, wouldn't it.

27:34 Speaker 2: Yes, that would be That would be awesome.

27:37 Speaker 1: I would love to read that. So yeah, so hopefully,

27:39 Speaker 1: hopefully that happens. Boden Greenley, thank you so much. Before

27:45 Speaker 1: we let you go too, I want to make sure

27:47 Speaker 1: everyone knows where to get your book. Of course, it

27:49 Speaker 1: is called Perseverance, And what do people need to know

27:52 Speaker 1: about how to get it?

27:53 Speaker 2: Yeah? So right now it's available on Amazon.

27:57 Speaker 1: Okay, Yeah, well that's easy. Yeah, that's easy. And we

28:01 Speaker 1: should tell people to tell people how to because Boden

28:05 Speaker 1: is not a name you here every day? How do

28:07 Speaker 1: people uh spell that when they're looking for you?

28:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's b O E D N. And then Greenley

28:13 Speaker 2: is green l e.

28:15 Speaker 1: Y okay, okay, well listen, thank you so much for

28:19 Speaker 1: joining us today. Like I said, I it's an excellent book.

28:24 Speaker 1: I I want to say I enjoyed reading it, but

28:26 Speaker 1: enjoy isn't quite the right word, because, like I said,

28:28 Speaker 1: it's such a it's such an unhappy subject. But yeah,

28:31 Speaker 1: but I'm really glad. I'm really glad that you sent

28:33 Speaker 1: it to us and that we were able to do

28:34 Speaker 1: this today and help absolutely you know, if even if

28:38 Speaker 1: we help one person or or prevent possibly one person

28:42 Speaker 1: from making a mistake, that's that's a good thing. So

28:45 Speaker 1: I'm really glad you were able to do join us

28:48 Speaker 1: and and even you know, even if it's a while

28:51 Speaker 1: before you have written anything else, if you have any

28:54 Speaker 1: kind of a big update on your mom in the future,

28:57 Speaker 1: we'd love to have you back. This is something that

29:00 Speaker 1: we want to continue to pay attention to and and

29:02 Speaker 1: support you and your family and in any way that

29:04 Speaker 1: we can. So so let's uh, let's definitely stay in touch.

29:07 Speaker 2: Boden, Absolutely great, all right, very good.

29:11 Speaker 1: Boden Greenley, thank you so much, and we'll we'll talk

29:14 Speaker 1: to you again in the future, I'm sure.

29:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you, guys, appreciate it.

29:18 Speaker 1: You got it, all right, bye bye bye bye. All right.

29:21 Speaker 1: So that was Boden Greenley and he is the author

29:24 Speaker 1: of Perseverance, which you can find at uh amazon dot com.

29:28 Speaker 1: And yeah, like I said, it's a it's a good read,

29:31 Speaker 1: but a very it's a very difficult subject.

29:34 Speaker 4: Medicine always is, absolutely, absolutely