Matt Connarton Unleashed: Gracie Gato talks about Adam's World

0:00 Speaker 1: Well, we have a great show for you today and

0:02 Speaker 1: right now for the first hour, someone who has not

0:05 Speaker 1: been with us for Yeah, it's been at least a year.

0:07 Speaker 1: I think a year. Gracie Gatto is here. Welcome, Hello, welcome.

0:12 Speaker 1: You gotta just pull that pull that up a little bit. Yeah,

0:15 Speaker 1: you're right.

0:17 Speaker 2: Right to your face, I feel like, the only face

0:24 Speaker 2: that makes you feel weird.

0:25 Speaker 3: Then you got it in the right place.

0:26 Speaker 1: There you go.

0:27 Speaker 4: There you got the boner here.

0:31 Speaker 1: Well that that reminds me. Today's show is audio only. So, Gracie,

0:37 Speaker 1: what have you What have you been up to? It's

0:39 Speaker 1: it's kind of a general question, but it has been

0:42 Speaker 1: over a year since since we've seen you, and uh,

0:45 Speaker 1: and you do have a very interesting project we're going

0:46 Speaker 1: to talk about. But uh, what's been going on?

0:49 Speaker 2: Well, it's been grim the past year. So I've been

0:55 Speaker 2: I kind of disappeared. I was my mother's caregiver for

0:57 Speaker 2: a year.

0:58 Speaker 1: Oh wow, that so yeah, so you mentioned so sorry

1:01 Speaker 1: to hear about your mom.

1:02 Speaker 2: Yeah, she passed away and it was it was rough,

1:05 Speaker 2: but it took me out of you know, making whatever,

1:09 Speaker 2: you know, my projects. Yeah, so eventually I'm working on

1:14 Speaker 2: something called Adam's world, and it is a television a

1:19 Speaker 2: child a children's television show celebrating your diversity. Okay, so

1:25 Speaker 2: did you know that one out of thirty six children

1:27 Speaker 2: in the United States has autism or a form of

1:30 Speaker 2: or on the spectrum.

1:31 Speaker 1: I didn't know. I didn't know it was that many.

1:34 Speaker 1: But but I'm not surprised in a sense because I

1:36 Speaker 1: do know, uh, and you know, I only know a

1:38 Speaker 1: little bit about the subject, but I do know that

1:41 Speaker 1: they've gotten much better at identifying autism than they used

1:44 Speaker 1: to be.

1:44 Speaker 2: Certainly right, and yeah, I'm definitely on a spectrum myself.

1:50 Speaker 2: So there's not really good representation out there. I've seen

1:53 Speaker 2: the television shows and uh, they all seem a little robotic,

1:58 Speaker 2: are just sort of like an android type character. They

2:01 Speaker 2: weren't really like charismatic, and you know, having to deal

2:04 Speaker 2: with you know, working with children who have autism, you

2:08 Speaker 2: got them all over the place. You got some really

2:10 Speaker 2: charismatic kids who are just obsessed with one thing, you know.

2:14 Speaker 4: So I made that a part of the show.

2:16 Speaker 2: Okay, So we have Adam, who's my son, and he

2:20 Speaker 2: is autistic, nonverbal, and there is absolutely zero representation. And

2:24 Speaker 2: I'm noticing that a lot of other mothers have come

2:28 Speaker 2: up to me saying, hey, my kid's autistic nonverbal. I

2:30 Speaker 2: thought I was the only one. Oh okay, and oh

2:32 Speaker 2: I thought I was the only one. And wait a minute,

2:34 Speaker 2: you're gonna make a TV show with a kid who can't.

2:36 Speaker 1: Talk, and just and just so, just so we're clear.

2:39 Speaker 1: So when you say nonverbal, no, no speech at all,

2:43 Speaker 1: no speech at all, okay, wow.

2:44 Speaker 2: But he understands everything and he uses the talking device. Okay,

2:48 Speaker 2: So I made that?

2:50 Speaker 4: What was that?

2:50 Speaker 1: Jen?

2:51 Speaker 4: M Oh, yeah, that face, like, what's going on?

2:54 Speaker 1: Jen?

2:54 Speaker 5: Oh no, no, I'm doing other things. Oh well, you

2:57 Speaker 5: guys are Yeah, don't look at my face.

3:01 Speaker 4: It looked like some really bad news over there.

3:05 Speaker 2: So so yeah, it just I came up with three

3:09 Speaker 2: characters and it kind of sets up the whole show,

3:12 Speaker 2: and it's you know, Adam doesn't speak, but he can

3:15 Speaker 2: touch things and upload information directly to his brain and

3:19 Speaker 2: a lot of internal dialogue. Ok So that's how I

3:23 Speaker 2: get around the whole not talking thing, because the audience

3:26 Speaker 2: and the kids are in on a secret, and that

3:29 Speaker 2: is they are super geniuses, only they got to play

3:32 Speaker 2: dumb for the adults. Interesting, so you know, everybody's in

3:35 Speaker 2: on it, but the teachers, you know, so it's it's

3:37 Speaker 2: really cute. And you know, we got one character who's Sam,

3:42 Speaker 2: who is obsessed with numbers, and I've seen that before

3:46 Speaker 2: where it's like everything is numerical. The girl Zoe, some

3:52 Speaker 2: little blonde pigtails, you know, she runs really fast, and

3:54 Speaker 2: she can run so fast she can travel through time.

3:57 Speaker 2: So it sets up the premise for many adventures. Okay, yeah, okay,

4:01 Speaker 2: So I pitched.

4:03 Speaker 4: This already to PBS kids.

4:04 Speaker 2: I'm waiting to hear back for somebody soon, and I'm

4:08 Speaker 2: doing the Kickstarter too.

4:10 Speaker 4: I'm getting a lot of the you.

4:11 Speaker 2: Know, people involved in the autism community as well, So

4:14 Speaker 2: I'm getting from both sides, you know, Like I'm from

4:17 Speaker 2: you know, LA, and I'm getting the LA side and

4:20 Speaker 2: i got the East Coast side with the academics, and

4:22 Speaker 2: I'm just sort of marrying the two. And it's becoming

4:25 Speaker 2: really interesting and really really exciting.

4:27 Speaker 1: That's great. Yeah, that's great. Yeah. I saw on your

4:30 Speaker 1: website the clip that you had posted, and how like,

4:36 Speaker 1: what is the process in terms of so basically you're

4:38 Speaker 1: pitching this to say to PBS and others.

4:42 Speaker 3: What is that?

4:42 Speaker 1: What is that process? Like, what is the process of

4:45 Speaker 1: pitching a series?

4:47 Speaker 2: Essentially, basically, it's just what I'm doing right now. I'm

4:52 Speaker 2: this is sort of like a pitch, you know, you

4:54 Speaker 2: talk about who it's for, why it needs to exist,

4:58 Speaker 2: and and just kind of go from there.

5:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, it sounds like it's a lot to take on.

5:07 Speaker 1: I mean, I mean, I mean, I would imagine just

5:09 Speaker 1: you know, just like going out into the marketplace and

5:11 Speaker 1: pitching it. That almost sounds like more challenging than making

5:15 Speaker 1: the actual content. Yeah it is.

5:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, but luckily there's a hole in media that hasn't

5:20 Speaker 2: been filled yet. Yeah, so hopefully I'll get a bunch

5:23 Speaker 2: of copycats and we can help autistic children feel more

5:27 Speaker 2: together and less uh you know, ostracized.

5:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, is this an idea that you've had for a

5:33 Speaker 1: while to do this?

5:34 Speaker 2: I've had it for a while, I just haven't really

5:37 Speaker 2: done anything with it.

5:38 Speaker 1: Yeah.

5:39 Speaker 2: So at first, it was like, you know, something I

5:41 Speaker 2: did for my kid only it was just me and

5:43 Speaker 2: him on his tablet and make little cartoons and stuff,

5:45 Speaker 2: and he would love it, loved it. And then and

5:49 Speaker 2: then I got really you know, just turned around with

5:52 Speaker 2: the whole like, you know, the political stuff, Like I

5:54 Speaker 2: just pulled the plug on that for now.

5:57 Speaker 4: I don't know if I want to go back to that.

5:59 Speaker 4: We'll see. Yeah, but I'm really I feel like they're

6:03 Speaker 4: a lost cause.

6:04 Speaker 2: And children, you know, you can help them question reality,

6:09 Speaker 2: question where they come from and why things are the

6:11 Speaker 2: way they are.

6:12 Speaker 4: There's still hope for the kids, so to speak. Yeah,

6:15 Speaker 4: you know, I don't do that.

6:16 Speaker 1: The political side, Yeah, they're gone, they're gone.

6:19 Speaker 4: Yeah, but the children are great.

6:21 Speaker 2: I love working with children, and especially you know after

6:25 Speaker 2: a major death, you know, it really helps heal the hearts.

6:29 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely. Have you done anything like that before involving

6:34 Speaker 1: a cartoon project or I know you've done you know

6:37 Speaker 1: you're from LA and yeah, you've done a lot of things.

6:39 Speaker 4: Well, I dated a lot of animators. That helps. And

6:44 Speaker 4: I actually called in a.

6:45 Speaker 2: Few animator friends here in the you know, the New

6:50 Speaker 2: England area, and they seem really excited.

6:52 Speaker 4: So that's another thing I'm pitching too.

6:54 Speaker 2: The story takes place in New England, in you know,

6:57 Speaker 2: New Hampshire, and I want to use East Coast to animes.

7:00 Speaker 1: Okay, so yeah that makes sense. Yeah, that makes sense.

7:05 Speaker 1: Is the idea that every uh so, will every episode

7:07 Speaker 1: be a full length thirty minute episode or twenty two minutes.

7:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, hopefully the pilot episode they want. They are so

7:16 Speaker 2: curious about dinosaurs they will see them for themselves.

7:20 Speaker 1: That's cool. Yeah yeah, yeah. You mentioned one of the

7:22 Speaker 1: characters can go so fast she time travels. Yeah, now

7:27 Speaker 1: that's uh, yeah, there is. I can't think of anything

7:30 Speaker 1: I've ever seen quite like what you're what you're doing.

7:33 Speaker 1: So you're right, I mean there is a hole in

7:34 Speaker 1: the market for that, right.

7:35 Speaker 2: There's a major hole in the market. They have something close.

7:39 Speaker 2: Excuse me, readjust myself here. Yeah, they have something close.

7:43 Speaker 2: And I think there's a show called Attorney Wu Okay

7:47 Speaker 2: that's on Netflix. Yeah, I was doing my market research.

7:50 Speaker 2: I was watching it, and it's like, you know, she

7:53 Speaker 2: is basically unable to live her life normally, but she

7:58 Speaker 2: is a whiz when it comes to law, so that

8:01 Speaker 2: the law is kind of like her superhuman power. Yeah,

8:04 Speaker 2: you know, she can recite things really fast, and that's

8:08 Speaker 2: the way the autism world works.

8:10 Speaker 4: But it just wasn't as fun.

8:12 Speaker 1: Okay.

8:13 Speaker 2: You know, it's like a legal drama, but God as

8:16 Speaker 2: solve everything like Matt Locke.

8:18 Speaker 1: Right, and.

8:20 Speaker 4: It just disconjoined.

8:21 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, Yeah. It's nice too though, that we live

8:26 Speaker 1: in a time where you've got if you think about it,

8:28 Speaker 1: and I'm sure you've thought about this if you were

8:30 Speaker 1: doing this thirty years ago, or actually even twenty years ago,

8:35 Speaker 1: the possibilities in terms of where you could go with it,

8:38 Speaker 1: where you could take it and pitch it to Yeah,

8:41 Speaker 1: we're very limited. But now we live in a time

8:44 Speaker 1: because of streaming, you know, I mean Netflix has a

8:47 Speaker 1: million different shows, and you know, you've got all these

8:49 Speaker 1: streaming services. You could even you know, put it, you

8:52 Speaker 1: could put it yourself on YouTube and you know, go

8:55 Speaker 1: with that strategy. You've got so many different options. So

8:58 Speaker 1: it's kind of like from your perspective, I don't know

9:01 Speaker 1: if you're thinking about it this way, but I would

9:03 Speaker 1: imagine it's kind of like, well, you know, something will

9:05 Speaker 1: work out, you know what I mean, Eventually something will

9:09 Speaker 1: work out with this because you know, there's so many

9:11 Speaker 1: different options.

9:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, with a big hole in the market, right, you know,

9:16 Speaker 2: I want to eventually bring in other characters based on

9:19 Speaker 2: real children, and that's something I want to do eventually,

9:21 Speaker 2: where we could do sweepstakes to get written in to

9:24 Speaker 2: the show, like someone who did something awesome and neuro divergent.

9:29 Speaker 2: You know, we'll write to you in the show.

9:31 Speaker 1: Can we define that term too, neurodivergent for people who

9:34 Speaker 1: don't know, because I think that means more than just autism,

9:37 Speaker 1: right or does it?

9:38 Speaker 4: Well, it's it just makes you fall into the spectrum. Okay,

9:42 Speaker 4: so yeah, it is autism.

9:44 Speaker 2: Just you know, you're just neuro diversion. You're you can't

9:47 Speaker 2: you have sensory overload.

9:49 Speaker 1: Okay, it happens.

9:50 Speaker 2: And you know, I think I have that too, and

9:52 Speaker 2: you know I don't and a lot of people do

9:54 Speaker 2: when they go into crowds all of a sudden, they

9:56 Speaker 2: just feel like overwhelmed, right, Yeah, you know I can

10:00 Speaker 2: relate to that.

10:01 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, well, you know, as you mentioned earlier, there's

10:04 Speaker 1: a spectrum obviously, and you know the ways that autism,

10:10 Speaker 1: the ways that they're able to identify autism, they've gotten

10:12 Speaker 1: much better at it, which I I often will point

10:16 Speaker 1: out to people. You know, there's people with their weird

10:18 Speaker 1: conspiracy theories about it all.

10:19 Speaker 4: And vaccines cause autism. That's the big one. That's the

10:22 Speaker 4: big one.

10:23 Speaker 1: Yeah.

10:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, we don't know all that. We don't know

10:27 Speaker 2: when when my son got diagnosed as a mother. I

10:30 Speaker 2: took it hard because I thought it was something I did.

10:33 Speaker 2: Oh really, yeah, wait, you know, maybe it was my diet.

10:36 Speaker 1: Maybe.

10:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know, it's just something a mother does.

10:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense.

10:41 Speaker 4: But no, he is a brilliant, smart kid and he

10:44 Speaker 4: loves his song Adam's World.

10:46 Speaker 1: Yeah.

10:47 Speaker 4: Yeah, so he's like, that's mine.

10:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, But I want to bring it to

10:51 Speaker 2: other children who need that, you know, Like I want

10:54 Speaker 2: to do kind of like a resurgence of like I'm

10:56 Speaker 2: actually talking to some of the old Hannah Barbara.

10:59 Speaker 4: Guys really involved in this.

11:00 Speaker 2: Oh wow, whoever's left, you know, And it's great because

11:06 Speaker 2: they have that childlike spark still even though they're older,

11:10 Speaker 2: and they're like, oh my god, I could do something

11:12 Speaker 2: with this.

11:12 Speaker 4: I could do something with.

11:13 Speaker 2: This, you know, and it's just, you know, it puts

11:16 Speaker 2: a smile on my face versus what I was doing before,

11:19 Speaker 2: which was turning me into a monster too unplugged, unsubscribe. Yeah,

11:27 Speaker 2: so this is so much more fun.

11:28 Speaker 1: I can I can somewhat relate to what you're saying.

11:32 Speaker 1: You know, there was a time when we used to

11:35 Speaker 1: do politics on the show, and we stopped that, and

11:39 Speaker 1: now we keep that separate from what we do here

11:40 Speaker 1: at w M and H and from a mental health perspective,

11:45 Speaker 1: I do think it benefited me.

11:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, because these little prejudices start happening, and you know,

11:50 Speaker 2: it's it's not a good look, and I think that

11:53 Speaker 2: we need to get back to humanity and less of this.

11:56 Speaker 4: He did this, but he did this, but he did

11:58 Speaker 4: this enough of that?

12:00 Speaker 1: Yeah? Enough? Yeah? Absolutely, absolutely, I agree. Do you find

12:05 Speaker 1: that in terms of well, how old is Adam?

12:07 Speaker 4: Adam is?

12:08 Speaker 2: He just turned nine on December twenty fourth, Okay, so

12:11 Speaker 2: happy birthday at him.

12:12 Speaker 1: Yeah, happy birthday Atam. Over the course of these nine years,

12:17 Speaker 1: do you think that, I mean, what's your experience been

12:20 Speaker 1: in terms of uh? Is there a lot of uh?

12:24 Speaker 1: Is there still a lot to learn? I assume there's

12:26 Speaker 1: still a lot to learn about autism? Is there still

12:28 Speaker 1: a lot that they don't know?

12:29 Speaker 4: Or I had to tell you the truth? We're learning

12:32 Speaker 4: with the kids.

12:33 Speaker 1: Yeah.

12:33 Speaker 2: Yeah, So luckily he goes to I'm going to do

12:36 Speaker 2: a shout out to Nottingham West Elementary School because they

12:40 Speaker 2: go above and beyond for my kid that. I mean,

12:44 Speaker 2: it's the state pace ward, it's not a private school.

12:47 Speaker 1: Yeah.

12:48 Speaker 2: So but they go above and beyond help children. So

12:51 Speaker 2: I've seen my my kids rise like he's been.

12:54 Speaker 4: You know, he's a different kid really.

12:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, Like now he gets into trouble now yeah with

12:59 Speaker 2: his top little goose, you know. Yeah, now he gets dirty,

13:02 Speaker 2: you know, gets into things.

13:04 Speaker 1: Oh that's fantastic though, that's that's that's good to hear,

13:07 Speaker 1: you know, because public schools get a bad rap.

13:09 Speaker 2: They do get a bad rap, they really do. But

13:11 Speaker 2: I'm let's just say I was cautiously optimistic, uh huh,

13:16 Speaker 2: but now totally blown away.

13:17 Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh that's great. That's great. And obviously for you

13:21 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's a challenge. You know, I mean

13:24 Speaker 1: an autistic is Adam your only child?

13:26 Speaker 4: My only child?

13:27 Speaker 2: Oh okay, okay, so I wanted uh well it was

13:30 Speaker 2: really crazy. So I was missing for a year and

13:32 Speaker 2: a half and I have I was caregiving to my mother,

13:35 Speaker 2: taking care of my autistic kid, so I had like

13:38 Speaker 2: zero time to myself. Yeah, and you know, when she

13:41 Speaker 2: was sick and he was at school or she was asleep,

13:44 Speaker 2: I would do these little animation things. Yeah, and it

13:46 Speaker 2: just sort of kind of grew from there.

13:48 Speaker 1: Okay, like you know I.

13:49 Speaker 4: Could do this. I could do this and.

13:51 Speaker 1: You done anything like that before. On your you know

13:54 Speaker 1: you mentioned you had dated some animators.

13:55 Speaker 2: Yeah, well we used to do like we're adult versions

13:58 Speaker 2: of that.

13:59 Speaker 1: Yeah.

14:00 Speaker 2: This is my first time ever doing children's television, so

14:05 Speaker 2: I don't know. I mean I'm spiling a lot more

14:08 Speaker 2: so that goes to show you I'm doing something right.

14:10 Speaker 1: Yeah.

14:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I started a kickstarter. We need some cash,

14:13 Speaker 2: help help, so I need to do one polished pilot

14:22 Speaker 2: and that's gonna be our vehicle to you know, shoot

14:27 Speaker 2: to the top. I'm actually I got in touch with

14:29 Speaker 2: the CEO of New Balance because I was thinking about

14:32 Speaker 2: doing product titans and since Zoe's sneakers light up, which

14:36 Speaker 2: she's about the time travel, I thought that might be

14:39 Speaker 2: something that we can kind of team up on. I

14:40 Speaker 2: haven't gotten response, an official response yet, but yeah it

14:44 Speaker 2: is and it's you know, everybody knows someone with autism,

14:48 Speaker 2: so I just styled it could be a good tie

14:50 Speaker 2: in and for Autism Awareness months, you know, we'll have

14:53 Speaker 2: a special brand sneakers that happened to look just like

14:55 Speaker 2: Zoe's in the show Excellent.

14:57 Speaker 1: When is When is Autism Awareness Month? June June? Okay? Okay, yeah,

15:04 Speaker 1: I didn't even know there was. Well, no, it makes

15:05 Speaker 1: sense that actually, I think I do remember hearing that

15:08 Speaker 1: there was an autism awareness month.

15:09 Speaker 2: There's hope there's an awareness month for everything. I think

15:11 Speaker 2: there's a peanut butter holiday too, and.

15:14 Speaker 1: Well as as there should be. When was how soon

15:21 Speaker 1: was Adam diagnosed after he was born? Because obviously you

15:25 Speaker 1: don't you don't know right away, right he was three

15:28 Speaker 1: three okay.

15:29 Speaker 4: The heat was in babbling okay, And.

15:32 Speaker 1: That's what I've read is one of the one of

15:34 Speaker 1: the first indicators where you really kind of figure out

15:37 Speaker 1: that there's there's something here as if they're not.

15:39 Speaker 2: And he would have like these attacks, like panic attacks.

15:44 Speaker 2: He's trying to talk, talk to me and tell me things. Yeah,

15:47 Speaker 2: and he started pulling his hair up.

15:48 Speaker 1: Oh wow.

15:49 Speaker 4: So that's when we got.

15:50 Speaker 2: Him help, okay, because it started, you know, he started

15:53 Speaker 2: just being aggressive to him, like he like almost like

15:56 Speaker 2: I hate myself. Oh yeah, you know, or I don't

15:58 Speaker 2: want to say I hate myself.

15:59 Speaker 1: That's horrible, but that frustrate.

16:01 Speaker 4: He was frustrated.

16:03 Speaker 2: So when we got him help, yeah, they we got

16:07 Speaker 2: him diagnosed, and sure enough, he was a textbook So

16:10 Speaker 2: he's got ADHD and you know autism. Yeah, but he's

16:14 Speaker 2: shocked his attack that he could see the wheel spinning.

16:17 Speaker 2: He just can't talk or he'll just pull his tongue,

16:20 Speaker 2: you know, little things like that, and it breaks your heart.

16:22 Speaker 1: Does does he learn very fast? Yeah? Yeah, I don't

16:25 Speaker 1: know if you know doctor Kevin. He's a Nashua doctor

16:28 Speaker 1: Kevin ross Emory. He's been on the show and he

16:32 Speaker 1: he's done a lot of work in add and ADHD

16:35 Speaker 1: and he's written some books about it. And actually one

16:38 Speaker 1: of the books he's written it's called Managing the Gift,

16:41 Speaker 1: and it's about how he calls it a gift because

16:46 Speaker 1: you know a d D or ADHD. It's like, uh,

16:48 Speaker 1: there are ways that you can use at your advantage.

16:50 Speaker 1: For example, a lot of very successful entrepreneurs you know,

16:54 Speaker 1: have that or they're on the spectrum. Yeah, you know,

16:56 Speaker 1: so there are ways to.

16:58 Speaker 4: Talking to the to the expert. So yeah, leave me

17:00 Speaker 4: his name, that'll be great.

17:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, a lot of I talked to someone who's his

17:06 Speaker 2: name is Ellen Armie and he is the head of

17:11 Speaker 2: an organization for autistic children. He put me in touch

17:14 Speaker 2: with someone named Elaine Hall, who was a a list

17:18 Speaker 2: acting coach and she eventually had a kid with autism

17:23 Speaker 2: and she started using those methods acting methods. Yeah, and

17:27 Speaker 2: it started to work and he got out of a

17:28 Speaker 2: shell using you know, the ad L stuff, and you know,

17:32 Speaker 2: it really worked out. So now she's kind of like

17:34 Speaker 2: a big deal now in the autism community. And you know,

17:38 Speaker 2: she just happened to have an autistic kid and who knew, right.

17:41 Speaker 4: You know.

17:42 Speaker 2: So I am been emailing back and forth and a

17:44 Speaker 2: lot of people are you know, just they're excited about

17:46 Speaker 2: the projects because we need something positive in this world.

17:49 Speaker 1: Yes, so like at least.

17:52 Speaker 2: I do as a creator, you know, like you want to,

17:54 Speaker 2: you know, go home and say, you know what, I

17:56 Speaker 2: did my job.

17:57 Speaker 4: And I actually went as far.

18:00 Speaker 2: I was contacting someone named Ted and Nasty, who was

18:03 Speaker 2: one of the head animators of the of Ductails.

18:09 Speaker 1: Yeah.

18:09 Speaker 4: However, I was.

18:11 Speaker 2: Like googling him like a weird fan, you know, like

18:14 Speaker 2: who the hell looks for old animators from back in

18:16 Speaker 2: the day, right right, And I was like, okay, I

18:19 Speaker 2: got his name, I got his number. Cool, and the

18:22 Speaker 2: link next to him right after on Google it was

18:25 Speaker 2: a goalfund me and I click on it and he's

18:29 Speaker 2: in hospice and I'm like, ah, it's terrible. So uh yeah,

18:35 Speaker 2: but I've been talking to the old guys though. Yeah,

18:38 Speaker 2: it makes it more fun because once I get them excited,

18:40 Speaker 2: I could see their wheels turning, like, oh.

18:42 Speaker 4: I've done this and that and this and that. So

18:45 Speaker 4: it's just really great.

18:46 Speaker 1: Yeah. Sometimes you know, all it takes is one person

18:48 Speaker 1: to give you just a little bit of information or

18:50 Speaker 1: an idea and you just never know.

18:53 Speaker 2: Yeah, and it really is like being a showrunner really

18:56 Speaker 2: is like being in a band. You need your guitar player,

18:58 Speaker 2: you neat your drummer, you need your bass, do you

19:00 Speaker 2: need your lead singer? Get together and make music. And

19:04 Speaker 2: if one of you guys is off, the whole band

19:05 Speaker 2: is off. Right, So I am putting together a band

19:08 Speaker 2: right now.

19:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, excellent, excellent. What have you been doing anything

19:13 Speaker 1: else in terms of creative stuff or have you been

19:17 Speaker 1: solely focused on on the series.

19:19 Speaker 2: Well, I was doing another kind of puppet show, but

19:22 Speaker 2: we can't talk about that. Oh that was just for

19:25 Speaker 2: fun though, I was testing.

19:26 Speaker 1: The Yeah, that's for Matt Connor to unsheathed. That's a

19:31 Speaker 1: very different show.

19:32 Speaker 4: That's a very different show.

19:33 Speaker 1: Yes, and it's it's not available on FM radio.

19:37 Speaker 4: But but yes, let's stick to the kids.

19:39 Speaker 1: Yeah. No, I was curious because you've done a lot,

19:43 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of radio, a lot of radio

19:46 Speaker 1: back in La especially, and right, and and what else.

19:49 Speaker 1: It seems like you've done You've done a lot of

19:51 Speaker 1: voiceover work too, right.

19:52 Speaker 2: Yes, so I turn them out, just turn them out,

19:56 Speaker 2: like whenever comes my way.

19:57 Speaker 4: I need this, you know.

19:59 Speaker 1: Yeah.

20:00 Speaker 4: Yeah, so I've been surviving on that.

20:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, well you've got a lot of experience. And uh,

20:07 Speaker 1: how how long have you been in New Hamptire? How

20:09 Speaker 1: has it been ten years? No, it's been six, it's

20:11 Speaker 1: been six.

20:12 Speaker 2: I'm acclimated, you know, Like no, before I used to

20:15 Speaker 2: be such a wuss and like now it's like I'm

20:18 Speaker 2: walking around with T shirt and shorts and checking my

20:21 Speaker 2: mail and snowing outside, you know, like I've come a

20:25 Speaker 2: long way.

20:25 Speaker 1: Yeah. John Hopwood is who introduced us, right, yes, all right?

20:30 Speaker 4: Whatever happened to Hoppy?

20:32 Speaker 1: I think he's around. Uh, Jenny, didn't the Hammers say

20:36 Speaker 1: that John?

20:37 Speaker 3: They recently had had that he was with him.

20:40 Speaker 1: He was back in Manchester?

20:41 Speaker 4: I thought so.

20:42 Speaker 3: I thought I heard that, But he hasn't reached out

20:45 Speaker 3: to us yet.

20:46 Speaker 1: He's very mysterious, that John Hopwood. He's a mysterious character.

20:51 Speaker 1: But that's right, that's how we met.

20:53 Speaker 4: Yeah, we met John.

20:54 Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, so you've you've grown too, You've grown

20:58 Speaker 1: to like it here.

20:59 Speaker 2: Yes, And I enjoy driving again thanks to me, I'm sure,

21:03 Speaker 2: because in La it's stopping stop.

21:05 Speaker 4: Literally.

21:05 Speaker 2: I had like these these big thighs of muscle in

21:08 Speaker 2: my abs because it will stop it stop it go.

21:10 Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh yeah, and.

21:12 Speaker 4: The gear you could just kind of like put put

21:14 Speaker 4: it and you're cool.

21:15 Speaker 1: Yeah.

21:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think I'm spoiled. I don't want to

21:18 Speaker 2: drive in California.

21:19 Speaker 1: Right right now, that's understandable. Well, you know, the winter's

21:22 Speaker 1: here too, have gotten easier, so that probably helps climate

21:26 Speaker 1: change because I grew up here, and uh, the winters

21:29 Speaker 1: are definitely easier than when I was a kid.

21:31 Speaker 4: I keep hearing that.

21:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh yeah, oh it's yeah, there's no getting It's

21:35 Speaker 1: not subtle. No, it's not as subtle as some people

21:38 Speaker 1: pretend it is. It's it's very obvious. And and I

21:41 Speaker 1: remember my dad's telling me that the winters are easier

21:44 Speaker 1: here than when he was a kid, Like he noticed

21:46 Speaker 1: in the in the eighties. Yeah, he said, Oh, the

21:48 Speaker 1: winter's here seemed to be easier than when I was

21:50 Speaker 1: a kid.

21:50 Speaker 2: So no, but there's still a real possibility if you

21:53 Speaker 2: don't have the right gear, you.

21:54 Speaker 4: Could freeze to death.

21:55 Speaker 1: Oh sure, Oh yeah.

21:56 Speaker 4: We don't want to give off like we're like the

21:58 Speaker 4: New Florida, right.

21:59 Speaker 1: No, no, no, We're a long way from that. And

22:02 Speaker 1: I don't want to get to that because I know

22:04 Speaker 1: what that means, because I am concerned. But in the moment,

22:07 Speaker 1: I enjoy it.

22:08 Speaker 4: Geez.

22:08 Speaker 1: We had one winter here, was it, I think twenty

22:11 Speaker 1: seventeen where winter just didn't show up at all, and

22:13 Speaker 1: like it barely snowed and it never got cold. It

22:15 Speaker 1: was incredible.

22:16 Speaker 4: Yeah, but it created a lot of sleet. I didn't

22:19 Speaker 4: appreciate that.

22:19 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, Sleet's not good. Sleet's not good.

22:23 Speaker 4: I found a new use for kitty litter because it's sleet.

22:25 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, what to just put the floor?

22:30 Speaker 2: Yeah, to get traction with your wheels. Okay, yeah, yeah, no,

22:33 Speaker 2: I didn't know that until I moved here.

22:34 Speaker 1: Yeah. Now, does anyone from the West Coast come out

22:37 Speaker 1: to visit you?

22:38 Speaker 4: Yes? I recently had my both my sisters come.

22:41 Speaker 1: Oh excellent, excellent. Do they do when they get here?

22:44 Speaker 1: Are they like, it's cold here? What do you do?

22:45 Speaker 2: The first thing my sister said was, we're all the

22:48 Speaker 2: homeless people? Oh really, Well they're in La from LA

22:51 Speaker 2: and it's like mad Max over there by comparison.

22:55 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, they were like, where are the homeless people?

22:57 Speaker 4: I'm like Manchester. U.

22:59 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean it's definitely a problem here, but probably

23:01 Speaker 1: nothing like La. Right. I mean you see the.

23:03 Speaker 2: Picture looks flag posts apocalyptic now, yeah, it's it's pretty sad.

23:08 Speaker 1: Yeah. Do you get back out there to visit?

23:11 Speaker 4: Not really?

23:11 Speaker 1: No.

23:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, the mom's thing was pretty rough, and I don't

23:15 Speaker 2: think I'm gonna be going back for what Yeah.

23:17 Speaker 1: No, that makes sense, that makes sense. Have you been

23:23 Speaker 1: Uh so you've been working on the h on the cartoon.

23:28 Speaker 1: Are you doing that by yourself? And I mean obviously

23:31 Speaker 1: you're you know, you're trying to get other people involved,

23:33 Speaker 1: but so far as anyone like fully involved in the

23:35 Speaker 1: animation or anything, or are you literally doing this all?

23:38 Speaker 2: I'm doing this all on my own as of now.

23:40 Speaker 2: But they tell me be patient because after the holidays.

23:45 Speaker 4: Yeah, we're gonna work. Yeah, we'll work, We'll work it out.

23:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, so, I I mean, the the stuff I have

23:51 Speaker 2: on my website, you know, on grasigotto dot com is

23:55 Speaker 2: basically just like what I would give to the networks

23:58 Speaker 2: is basically it's okay, kind of like a it's like

24:00 Speaker 2: a visual thing that it's not the solid end product.

24:04 Speaker 1: Okay. So no, it looks really good though, And you know,

24:07 Speaker 1: as someone who so I have no I've always been

24:10 Speaker 1: fascinated by animation in the sense that I'm kind of

24:13 Speaker 1: fascinated by anything that I know that I can't do,

24:16 Speaker 1: Like I have no visual artistic ability whatsoever. I can't draw,

24:20 Speaker 1: Like if you ask me to draw a person, I

24:22 Speaker 1: could draw you a stick figure. That's the best I

24:23 Speaker 1: could do. I look at Jenny's artwork and I'm amazed

24:26 Speaker 1: or the macromea that she does, cause it's amazing to

24:29 Speaker 1: me because my brain, I always say this, my brain

24:31 Speaker 1: can't do the math, like with the macroma that's geometry.

24:35 Speaker 1: My brain can't do the geometry. So I'm always, you know,

24:38 Speaker 1: really interested when I look at things that I can't do,

24:41 Speaker 1: like animation, Like like I look at you know, I

24:43 Speaker 1: watched the clip on your website and it's like, how

24:45 Speaker 1: do you even how do you even draw that? Like,

24:48 Speaker 1: because my brain wouldn't be able to figure it out,

24:50 Speaker 1: you know what I mean?

24:51 Speaker 4: Well, the the kids.

24:53 Speaker 2: I used my son's face as a model, Okay, so

24:56 Speaker 2: I got a picture of him when he was seven, Okay,

24:58 Speaker 2: and you know, so I didn't mock up there, kind

25:02 Speaker 2: of change it up a bit and yeah, and then

25:04 Speaker 2: I got uh, I'd lost so much time playing with

25:08 Speaker 2: animation tools, you know, like the actual like drawing, because

25:12 Speaker 2: I used to doodle a lot.

25:13 Speaker 4: I'm an oil painter.

25:14 Speaker 2: Okay, So that was just like the natural progression. And

25:18 Speaker 2: there's some magic that happens when you get the lip

25:21 Speaker 2: sync going, and then you get the voice, and then

25:24 Speaker 2: you get the background music and when that you get

25:27 Speaker 2: that that trifecta.

25:29 Speaker 4: They're alive. It's they're alive.

25:32 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, do you I mean, do you do you

25:36 Speaker 1: use software? To forgive my ignorance? But no, just very curious,

25:41 Speaker 1: like do you use software to help you create the

25:44 Speaker 1: scenes or are you are you doing it like old school?

25:47 Speaker 1: Like are you actually hand drawing everything?

25:49 Speaker 2: No, I'm not hand drawing anything. I actually I've been

25:52 Speaker 2: using AI kind of help out. And you know, people

25:54 Speaker 2: go boo, but it's it's the cats out of the bag.

25:57 Speaker 4: It's here, yes, and they're snow avoiding it right right.

26:00 Speaker 2: I think a friend of mine pointed out a car

26:02 Speaker 2: commercial was like blatantly easing Aire.

26:06 Speaker 4: So basically AI has enabled me become ten people instead

26:10 Speaker 4: of one.

26:10 Speaker 1: Yeah.

26:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, So the scripts are mine though, the ideas are mine,

26:15 Speaker 2: but they're simply it's like having an assistant that's on speed. Right,

26:21 Speaker 2: So like the second I want something, I got it. Okay, cool,

26:24 Speaker 2: and I'll just incorporate that. So it's like mixing. It's

26:26 Speaker 2: like mixing a stew. You get all the ingredients from

26:29 Speaker 2: you know, television shows, I could say Ducktails where they

26:32 Speaker 2: time travel and they teach kids how to think, you know,

26:36 Speaker 2: get it, Get a little bit of that, you get

26:37 Speaker 2: a little bit of this, a little bit of that. Yeah,

26:39 Speaker 2: and you just kind of make a stew and it's

26:42 Speaker 2: something completely brand new.

26:44 Speaker 4: That's something that's really awesome. I even wrote the theme song.

26:47 Speaker 1: Did okay?

26:49 Speaker 3: Very cool?

26:49 Speaker 1: That's awesome. That's awesome. The other characters, because there's there's

26:54 Speaker 1: two other characters that I saw on the website. Yes,

26:57 Speaker 1: are those based on real kids or those completely?

27:03 Speaker 4: So I did?

27:04 Speaker 2: I did know I do know, so a kid who's

27:06 Speaker 2: obsessed with numbers, obsessed you know, like how many like

27:10 Speaker 2: things that you wouldn't even think about, like how many

27:12 Speaker 2: teeth are in a mouth or you know, just Okay,

27:16 Speaker 2: that's kind of quirky, but that could work for the

27:18 Speaker 2: show because they need to calculate speed time to get

27:23 Speaker 2: and you know, how to get from point A to

27:24 Speaker 2: point b. You know, so they're going to need math

27:27 Speaker 2: to learn numbers. Adam's internal dialogue is he upslolds everything,

27:34 Speaker 2: but you know he has a super dome that kind

27:38 Speaker 2: of teaches you what everything means. Yeah, so it's like

27:43 Speaker 2: a super dome kind of like a third eye kind

27:45 Speaker 2: of situation happening where he's projecting, you know, what he's

27:48 Speaker 2: getting and you know, so it's great.

27:51 Speaker 4: So I got the trio so far.

27:52 Speaker 2: And you know, they're going to get into adventures and

27:55 Speaker 2: you know, we're even talking about like possibly having them

27:58 Speaker 2: grow up eventually.

27:59 Speaker 4: They're in a fourth grade.

28:00 Speaker 2: Now, hey, my powers are getting stronger, you know, and

28:04 Speaker 2: maybe it could lead up to something different.

28:06 Speaker 1: Like e that's a cool concept too, because I'm trying

28:09 Speaker 1: to think. I'm trying to think, is there another cartoon

28:12 Speaker 1: or another animated show where where the characters actually do

28:16 Speaker 1: grow up, and I feel like there must be something

28:20 Speaker 1: Self Park did it? Oh did they?

28:23 Speaker 4: And The Simpsons did they?

28:26 Speaker 1: I haven't watched either of those and so long.

28:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, there's a couple of episodes where you know they're

28:31 Speaker 2: all grown up.

28:32 Speaker 1: Oh okay, yeah, but not but not over a span

28:34 Speaker 1: of time where they got older.

28:35 Speaker 2: And right, yeah, yeah, or maybe I mean things are open.

28:40 Speaker 2: I mean, maybe they can get out of their animation

28:43 Speaker 2: bodies and become full right, you know, action motion you

28:47 Speaker 2: know characters.

28:48 Speaker 1: Right right, But I like that. I like that idea though. Yeah,

28:51 Speaker 1: you know, they go from one grade to the next

28:54 Speaker 1: and and.

28:55 Speaker 2: What to expect, and you know, teachers are new, teachers

28:59 Speaker 2: are scary, Substitute teachers are kind of cool. But I

29:02 Speaker 2: don't really know, right you know, yeah, you know we're

29:05 Speaker 2: going to get into that. And all those little things

29:07 Speaker 2: matter when you're autistic. Yeah, any little change is like,

29:10 Speaker 2: you know, detrimentally.

29:11 Speaker 1: Oh, I mean even for you know, for anybody. Yeah,

29:14 Speaker 1: those things matter. So yeah, so I would imagine for

29:16 Speaker 1: an autistic child, I can see where that would really

29:18 Speaker 1: be some heavy stuff to deal with.

29:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, And it was an honest question to myself, like,

29:22 Speaker 2: you know, am I gonna continue one with the division

29:26 Speaker 2: of people?

29:26 Speaker 4: Or am I going to make something that's going to

29:28 Speaker 4: help of course?

29:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, I think that's uh. I think that's fantastic. Yeah,

29:35 Speaker 1: so in the new year, you expect things will really

29:38 Speaker 1: start moving with it. Yeah, what's kind of your what's

29:40 Speaker 1: what's kind of your dream? Uh? Like where would you

29:43 Speaker 1: most like to see it? Like Netflix or where would

29:46 Speaker 1: you most like to see.

29:47 Speaker 2: This, lamb, I would love to see it anywhere. Really,

29:50 Speaker 2: it's just long as uh. You know, it gives children

29:53 Speaker 2: and identity.

29:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean you mentioned PBS, which seems like a

29:56 Speaker 1: perfect fit.

29:57 Speaker 4: It is a perfect fit.

29:57 Speaker 2: There's always Netflix or Hulu. I have an agent working

30:01 Speaker 2: on it. So basically we're trying to create like some

30:04 Speaker 2: kind of a bidding situation in January to where it lands.

30:10 Speaker 2: It's as soon as January.

30:13 Speaker 1: Oh that's exciting.

30:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, it is exciting, except for Hanka got in the way.

30:17 Speaker 2: So so my Jewish animaters are the Alfred the Count

30:22 Speaker 2: and you know, my Christian friends are like, we're not

30:27 Speaker 2: working until January second.

30:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, so it's.

30:30 Speaker 2: Like, okay, I lost you both. Great, So it's just

30:33 Speaker 2: me for now I there are the holidays. I get it,

30:37 Speaker 2: and you know, I'm a showrunner, so I'm just constantly working, working,

30:40 Speaker 2: working through the holidays.

30:41 Speaker 1: By the way, for people who don't know what's a

30:43 Speaker 1: show runner.

30:44 Speaker 2: A showrunner is someone who is creating a show and

30:48 Speaker 2: the person who has the actual vision, the overall vision.

30:52 Speaker 2: So it's basically like being the CEO of a company,

30:56 Speaker 2: you know, so, but we're all moving working vital parts

31:00 Speaker 2: to the show.

31:01 Speaker 1: It's a very it's it's kind of a literal term

31:03 Speaker 1: show runner. You literally are running a show. I feel like,

31:08 Speaker 1: and you would know, having with with your experience and

31:12 Speaker 1: having been in la I feel like I didn't always

31:14 Speaker 1: hear that term. I feel like I started hearing the

31:17 Speaker 1: term showrunner like twenty years ago and then and then

31:19 Speaker 1: before that, it was always producer or something. But I

31:23 Speaker 1: feel like the am I right about that? Or is

31:25 Speaker 1: that just my weird perception?

31:26 Speaker 2: No, I don't know, I think because you know everybody's

31:30 Speaker 2: I don't know, I honestly can't answer that.

31:32 Speaker 1: I feel like it's a newer term.

31:34 Speaker 2: It's I've always heard showrunner because it was kind of

31:37 Speaker 2: like going back to the circus, you know, like you're

31:40 Speaker 2: the showrunner of the Circus. Yeah, I think I think

31:43 Speaker 2: it was kind of being facetious and it just kind

31:45 Speaker 2: of stuck.

31:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah.

31:47 Speaker 4: Or I'm the you know, the I'm the person in

31:49 Speaker 4: charge of this, you know show.

31:53 Speaker 1: What? Uh so you've got Do you have other projects

31:56 Speaker 1: that you're thinking about doing in addition to this or

31:58 Speaker 1: you're completely focused.

31:59 Speaker 2: On completely hyper focused on this one. Yeah, that's the

32:02 Speaker 2: way it has to be for each project. Otherwise you're

32:04 Speaker 2: spread on teeth in and people see right through it,

32:07 Speaker 2: especially the audience when you're half asking anything, you know, like,

32:10 Speaker 2: you know, they're pretty intelligent enough to pick that up.

32:12 Speaker 1: Right of course, of course, Well, very cool, very cool.

32:16 Speaker 1: Now we should mention too though. Like you said, you know,

32:19 Speaker 1: you take things that come your way. So you are

32:21 Speaker 1: available for voiceover work and things like oh absolutely, yeah yeah,

32:26 Speaker 1: And how how can people find you for that?

32:28 Speaker 2: Go to Grasiegatto dot com, send me an email and

32:32 Speaker 2: we will talk consultation.

32:34 Speaker 4: Hum what you want? You know, I'm pretty affordable.

32:37 Speaker 1: What's the strangest one you've had? Oh?

32:39 Speaker 2: God, the first one is the one that traumatized me

32:44 Speaker 2: was uh.

32:47 Speaker 4: Moan my IP?

32:51 Speaker 1: Is that something we can I'm very curious. Now is

32:55 Speaker 1: that something we can explain on a Saturday morning? Okay,

32:59 Speaker 1: but it was something.

33:00 Speaker 2: Sort of moaned MYIP dot com. Okay, I did some

33:04 Speaker 2: voiceover for that.

33:05 Speaker 4: Haven't admitted to that.

33:07 Speaker 1: Oh wow, ever does that? Does that still exist?

33:10 Speaker 4: I don't know. I haven't checked. It's been years.

33:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna check here at

33:15 Speaker 1: the station's computer.

33:18 Speaker 2: And I did the voiceover of this clown killer thriller.

33:23 Speaker 1: Yeah.

33:24 Speaker 2: Yeah, so basically I am, uh, screaming for my life, yeah,

33:29 Speaker 2: as this clown is undressing me.

33:33 Speaker 4: Okay, so that was probably the grossest voiceover.

33:37 Speaker 1: Wow. Yeah, I don't even.

33:40 Speaker 4: Know if that was used. Yeah, but I got paid

33:43 Speaker 4: for it.

33:43 Speaker 1: Oh that's cool. Yeah yeah, but.

33:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean voiceovers can go from anything from like

33:47 Speaker 2: jingles to you know radio stations like three, you know

33:52 Speaker 2: FL So it really depends. And I noticed that when

33:55 Speaker 2: they cast, they like people who have broadcasting experience because

34:01 Speaker 2: actors can't fake that.

34:02 Speaker 1: Yeah.

34:03 Speaker 4: So it's like that's why they go.

34:04 Speaker 2: With the newscasters in film, you know, the newscasters whoever's available.

34:08 Speaker 1: Right right, No, it makes sense, that makes sense. Have

34:13 Speaker 1: you done any that I would have heard, like any

34:15 Speaker 1: that are like really like like mainstream commercials or anything.

34:21 Speaker 4: That I can think of that's still around.

34:23 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, it's just funny to think about it.

34:26 Speaker 1: I may have heard your voice somewhere before I probably

34:29 Speaker 1: before we met you.

34:31 Speaker 4: Probably, I don't know. There is a lot.

34:34 Speaker 1: There's a lot if you ever had to say no

34:36 Speaker 1: to something like somebody comes to you with a voiceover

34:38 Speaker 1: project and it's just too weird.

34:41 Speaker 2: No, it's all about making copy work. But the only

34:45 Speaker 2: time I've said no is when they're too demanding and

34:50 Speaker 2: they want me.

34:51 Speaker 4: To charge less.

34:53 Speaker 2: So it's like practically like you know, fifty cents an

34:55 Speaker 2: hour kind of thing. Oh yeah, it's like no, dude, No.

34:59 Speaker 4: They're like, well, we're to go somewhere else.

35:00 Speaker 1: Thank bye.

35:01 Speaker 4: Yeah right exactly. Yeah yeah yeah.

35:05 Speaker 1: Wow, that's wild.

35:07 Speaker 2: So please, please, please, whoever's listening, go to Graciecotto dot com,

35:11 Speaker 2: or please donate some money to Kickstarter so we can

35:14 Speaker 2: get that episode going.

35:16 Speaker 5: So we now is g r a c I e

35:21 Speaker 5: g a t o dot com?

35:23 Speaker 1: You got it?

35:24 Speaker 5: I want to make sure people know how to spell it.

35:26 Speaker 5: G A c I e g a t o dot com?

35:30 Speaker 4: Got it?

35:32 Speaker 1: Yeah?

35:32 Speaker 5: Well, and Marriam actually was just asking about spelling it.

35:35 Speaker 5: One of our listeners who's actually a paraprofessional herself and

35:39 Speaker 5: very active in the autism community.

35:42 Speaker 4: Oh, send me an email. Let's talk.

35:44 Speaker 3: Absolutely, you hear that, Miriam, she'd like to talk. We'll

35:47 Speaker 3: make sure that. I will make sure.

35:49 Speaker 2: Actually, I'm just trying to get everybody involved, parents to UH, educators,

35:54 Speaker 2: entertainment industry. It's amazing how many high ranking entertainment industry

36:00 Speaker 2: executives have children with autism.

36:03 Speaker 5: True, so it touches many families. Yeah, many, many families.

36:08 Speaker 1: And it's interesting too to think about how many people

36:09 Speaker 1: don't realize.

36:10 Speaker 2: It, right, you know, and you know, why not make

36:13 Speaker 2: a Saturday morning cartoon to make them feel better?

36:15 Speaker 1: Yeah.

36:15 Speaker 3: I think that's awesome.

36:17 Speaker 4: I really do.

36:18 Speaker 1: I think that's No, I think that's fantastic. Well, Gracie,

36:21 Speaker 1: I'm really glad you came in today. It's wonderful to

36:23 Speaker 1: see you.

36:23 Speaker 4: Good to see you, and Jen, good to see you.

36:27 Speaker 1: We might won't hold you to it.

36:28 Speaker 3: I don't have to wait for over a year the

36:30 Speaker 3: next time to come back.

36:31 Speaker 4: No, that was a crazy circumstance.

36:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, no, that's understandable.

36:36 Speaker 3: But we love to have you. We love to see you,

36:37 Speaker 3: and I know our listeners love you.

36:38 Speaker 2: Hopefully next month I'm going to get the I'm gonna

36:41 Speaker 2: get the call and I'm gonna say.

36:42 Speaker 4: Guess what, guys, I got green lit.

36:44 Speaker 3: I got green lit.

36:45 Speaker 1: You know, we definitely have to have you back and

36:47 Speaker 1: then definitely.

36:48 Speaker 2: You know, I do want to promote New Hampshire in

36:50 Speaker 2: New England, and I mean the whole story takes place there,

36:52 Speaker 2: they go to school, and the backdrop. I made sure

36:55 Speaker 2: that it was like typical New England.

36:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, look it looks like that and what I watched, Yeah.

37:01 Speaker 2: That's kind of what I'm presenting to is a little

37:03 Speaker 2: bit of a New Hampshire pride so to speak.

37:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I think that's I think that's awesome.

37:09 Speaker 1: And Gracie Gato, thank you so much, thank you for

37:11 Speaker 1: having me