Matt Connarton Unleashed: Rebecca Turmel

0:00 Speaker 1: And now joining us alive in studio here if we

0:02 Speaker 1: have Rebecca Turmael, Hello, welcome.

0:04 Speaker 2: It's awesome to be here. Yes, talk music.

0:07 Speaker 1: And no for wonderful to have you. Yeah, that's that's

0:10 Speaker 1: a beautiful song you had mentioned off air, I think

0:14 Speaker 1: something about Is that the first song you recorded?

0:16 Speaker 2: Yes, so that's the first song that I went into

0:19 Speaker 2: the studio with. I was terrified. My guitar had never

0:23 Speaker 2: been in a recording studio. Yeah, that was a little

0:26 Speaker 2: over two years ago. Now I released that in July

0:29 Speaker 2: of twenty twenty two, so it's it's been a bit

0:33 Speaker 2: and it's been a journey so far.

0:35 Speaker 1: Where did you record that?

0:36 Speaker 2: I record that at the Underground in Randolph, Vermont with Vincent.

0:42 Speaker 2: He's incredible in such a great space over there.

0:45 Speaker 1: Now, how did you How did you come to record there?

0:47 Speaker 1: Because you know, you've got so many options as far

0:50 Speaker 1: as studios or or even home recording or there's so

0:53 Speaker 1: many different ways now to record. What led you to

0:56 Speaker 1: record there?

0:57 Speaker 2: I well, first of all, I know absolutely nothing about

0:59 Speaker 2: recording any of that fun stuff. So a good friend

1:03 Speaker 2: of mine who I brought the song to, Jim Yeager.

1:07 Speaker 2: He's been in the music industry for well over forty

1:10 Speaker 2: years now. He recommended Vinnie because I just needed a

1:15 Speaker 2: place where I could feel comfortable, because I was so

1:18 Speaker 2: frightened to get into the studio for the first time. Yeah,

1:20 Speaker 2: so He's like, get us to the other Ground. It's

1:23 Speaker 2: a great spot and they have a great acoustic sound.

1:26 Speaker 2: So I'm like, all right, let's do it. And I

1:28 Speaker 2: ended up falling in love with the space. And I'm

1:31 Speaker 2: really glad of that choice that I made to go

1:33 Speaker 2: to the Underground.

1:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, now did you because you sent us a couple

1:36 Speaker 1: other songs? Who were these all recorded there?

1:38 Speaker 2: No? Actually, I actually I've had the privilege of getting

1:42 Speaker 2: I got to record at Blackbird's studio in Nashville, but

1:45 Speaker 2: I also have recorded up at Squam Sound with Randy Rus.

1:50 Speaker 2: I've kind of tried a few different spaces and actually

1:53 Speaker 2: just this week I was at the studio Portland and

1:55 Speaker 2: Portland Main Oh no kidding, So I just I like

1:57 Speaker 2: to try a new space with most each song. But

2:01 Speaker 2: wish you well. I also recorded at the Underground as well.

2:05 Speaker 1: The studio in Portland. Was that because John MacArthur. I

2:09 Speaker 1: think that's how we met. We met you through John. Yes,

2:13 Speaker 1: is that the studio where it's him and his son,

2:16 Speaker 1: I think.

2:16 Speaker 2: Yes, yeah, the Sam MacArthur and John and his wife

2:20 Speaker 2: Weaver are also the co owners of that studio. But

2:23 Speaker 2: they do a great monthly event for singer songwriters in

2:27 Speaker 2: duo acts. You can go in and get a video,

2:31 Speaker 2: live video, and a live recording on one take in

2:34 Speaker 2: one night. But it's also an in studio audience in

2:37 Speaker 2: there too, so you get like this, it's awesome.

2:41 Speaker 1: Is it intimidating to do that? Oh?

2:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a very small space, right right, Yeah, but

2:48 Speaker 2: it was really cool because you got to just live

2:50 Speaker 2: in the moment with the music, but capture it as

2:53 Speaker 2: well and like with that professional sound in that professional video.

2:56 Speaker 1: Yeah.

2:57 Speaker 2: So you get a little bit of everything, which is nice,

2:59 Speaker 2: and especially when I'm a working, a full time working musician,

3:02 Speaker 2: I need a lot of content, video content and stuff

3:04 Speaker 2: for my ePK. It was great to do.

3:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Now you So I read your bio.

3:12 Speaker 1: Did you start out doing covers and then started doing originals?

3:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I've been. Actually I just hit my seven

3:18 Speaker 2: year anniversary of playing out.

3:20 Speaker 1: Oh congratulations.

3:21 Speaker 2: I started off as a cover artist, a gigging musician.

3:24 Speaker 2: My first gig was in my hometown at this Irish

3:26 Speaker 2: pub I worked at. It was Kathleen's Cottage now it's

3:29 Speaker 2: Kathleen's Irish Pub, and I just I did that for

3:33 Speaker 2: a while. I would take songs that I loved, songs

3:36 Speaker 2: that were meaningful to me, and tried to make them

3:38 Speaker 2: my own, yeah, make performance with it. And I finally decided, Okay,

3:42 Speaker 2: I need to try writing my own stuff and seeing

3:46 Speaker 2: how that feels like. And it's definitely an entirely different experience.

3:50 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, it's interesting because for a lot of singer songwriters,

3:54 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people we talked to on

3:56 Speaker 1: the show, they start out with original music and then

3:59 Speaker 1: they wind up doing covers live because they kind of

4:02 Speaker 1: have to because it helps, you know, as far as

4:04 Speaker 1: getting gigs, and that's what a lot of venues want.

4:07 Speaker 1: So it's interesting for you it kind of went the

4:08 Speaker 1: other way. I mean, was it always your plan to

4:11 Speaker 1: ultimately do your own material or not?

4:13 Speaker 2: Really? It honestly wasn't even my plan to do music

4:17 Speaker 2: to begin with. I usually started off in the theater. Okay,

4:20 Speaker 2: So when I was a little girl at my first show,

4:23 Speaker 2: I think I was like nine years old, but I

4:24 Speaker 2: fell in love with performing, being on stage and in college.

4:29 Speaker 2: I dabbled with my guitar in high school, but I

4:32 Speaker 2: didn't really do much with it. I picked it back

4:34 Speaker 2: up and started playing songs and went to some open

4:36 Speaker 2: mics with some friends, some other theater kids, and because

4:40 Speaker 2: it's just fun to do that stuff. Yeah, then I

4:42 Speaker 2: was getting gig opportunities. People asked me to play at

4:45 Speaker 2: their bars and restaurants, and it's just flourished into this

4:49 Speaker 2: whole journey, not only musical discovery but self discovery as well.

4:54 Speaker 1: And to be able to do that full time. It

4:58 Speaker 1: seems like this is because I the other thing, I

5:00 Speaker 1: was surprised reading your bio. It seems like, in the

5:03 Speaker 1: grand scheme of things, you haven't been at this that long,

5:06 Speaker 1: but it seems like you've been able to really, you know,

5:09 Speaker 1: have a lot of success very quickly with it, which

5:11 Speaker 1: is great.

5:12 Speaker 2: Yeah. I feel extremely fortunate that the opportunities that have

5:16 Speaker 2: come my way. It's it's just astounding to think of

5:20 Speaker 2: how far I have come because I've only been doing

5:23 Speaker 2: it full time for about two years now. Yeah, but

5:26 Speaker 2: I have a really great support system. I've had some

5:29 Speaker 2: wonderful mentors in my life. That really guided me and

5:33 Speaker 2: helped me so far, and I think helps with that

5:35 Speaker 2: trajectory to get yeah further along a little bit faster. Yeah,

5:39 Speaker 2: of course I'm always nosing the grindstone, just yeah.

5:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah. Like like in terms of mentors, like

5:45 Speaker 1: like I assume John MacArthur is one, right, oh yeah.

5:48 Speaker 2: And Brad Myrick as well. I actually am a self

5:51 Speaker 2: taught guitarist and I just recently decided okay, it's time

5:55 Speaker 2: and I really understand what I'm doing, and I've been

5:57 Speaker 2: diving into some guitar lessons as well.

5:59 Speaker 1: Yeah.

6:00 Speaker 2: But my my first mentor was also previously my manager,

6:03 Speaker 2: was Jimmy Eager, and he was a blessing to have

6:06 Speaker 2: at the beginning because I've always like been so I'm

6:10 Speaker 2: so nervous about everything all the time. I don't need

6:12 Speaker 2: to be, but i am. It's just a trade of

6:13 Speaker 2: mind I can't seem to get rid of. But he

6:16 Speaker 2: did a really good job keeping me level headed and

6:18 Speaker 2: just and being honest with me. So it's been nice

6:21 Speaker 2: to have just people who are genuinely there and who care,

6:24 Speaker 2: and it's just it's I'm so grateful for everyone I've had.

6:29 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean, how do you find how do you

6:31 Speaker 1: find those people? Because I hear a lot of especially

6:34 Speaker 1: young musicians, say it's hard to find mentors or people

6:37 Speaker 1: they can really trust, Like have you just been fortunate

6:41 Speaker 1: or do you have some kind of you know, are

6:43 Speaker 1: you intuitive in a way where you know, Okay, this

6:47 Speaker 1: person I think is going to help me in their

6:48 Speaker 1: genuine and they you know, because there's a lot of

6:51 Speaker 1: I don't know sharks. I don't know how else to

6:53 Speaker 1: put it.

6:53 Speaker 2: You know what I mean, I know exactly what you mean.

6:55 Speaker 2: I think it's just been a mix of both just

6:58 Speaker 2: being fortunate and also I just I really love being

7:01 Speaker 2: a part of our music community, and I play a lot,

7:04 Speaker 2: but when I'm not playing, I really try to get

7:06 Speaker 2: out and see what else everyone else is doing, especially

7:10 Speaker 2: the full timers, because it's hard. So I love to

7:13 Speaker 2: show support. And with that, that's everyone that I've met

7:17 Speaker 2: who's going to my life that has really been through,

7:19 Speaker 2: like mutual music friends who have known them previously. So

7:23 Speaker 2: that's how I ran into Jim and I was performing

7:27 Speaker 2: with a friend of mine and he's just the friendliest

7:30 Speaker 2: person there is. So he goes around and talks to everybody,

7:33 Speaker 2: and I'm so glad that he introduced himself to me,

7:36 Speaker 2: and I wanted to with him. I'm missing something. I

7:39 Speaker 2: wanted an unbiased opinion, and I didn't really know Jim

7:42 Speaker 2: that well at that point. So I sent him that

7:45 Speaker 2: song and he's like, don't release this. Can I meet

7:48 Speaker 2: with you? And I'm like, what do you mean? And

7:50 Speaker 2: he was just telling me how he wanted to help

7:52 Speaker 2: and he didn't want like he wished he had someone

7:56 Speaker 2: when he started out to not make the same mistakes

7:59 Speaker 2: that he did, and being the understanding of the industry,

8:01 Speaker 2: which is has changed so much, it's constantly changing. Yeah,

8:04 Speaker 2: but someone just has the understanding. So I've gotten lucky

8:07 Speaker 2: with meeting those people. Yeah, it's just so funny. You

8:09 Speaker 2: meet one person and someone else comes into the picture.

8:13 Speaker 2: You can learn something from everyone, Oh really can?

8:15 Speaker 1: Yeah? Absolutely? Yeah. I think I think so much of

8:20 Speaker 1: being successful is is, you know, putting out the right

8:24 Speaker 1: energy and attracting people into your you know, into your

8:27 Speaker 1: career and into your life, just generally who are also

8:29 Speaker 1: positive and uh, you know, and and you know, like

8:33 Speaker 1: you said, you know, you meet one person, then that

8:34 Speaker 1: leads to meeting another person and another person and it

8:37 Speaker 1: sounds like you've you've been able to meet uh people

8:40 Speaker 1: who are you know, like I said, genuine and and

8:43 Speaker 1: kind of build that support system. And like John MacArthur,

8:47 Speaker 1: we had him on the show. It was it was

8:49 Speaker 1: a few months ago now and uh yeah he was

8:52 Speaker 1: great and just you know, just so positive. And you know,

8:55 Speaker 1: because there is a lot of negativity too, in the

8:57 Speaker 1: sense that especially for for people who've been around while

9:00 Speaker 1: like like I have, the industry has changed a lot,

9:04 Speaker 1: you know, as technology has changed, the industry has changed,

9:07 Speaker 1: and you know, and there is a lot of there's

9:09 Speaker 1: a lot of negativity. There's a lot of frustration, and

9:13 Speaker 1: I think it's easy to get jaded, which a lot

9:16 Speaker 1: of people, you know, a lot a lot of people do. Meanwhile,

9:18 Speaker 1: they're not sharks, they're just jaded, you know what I mean.

9:22 Speaker 1: So so to be able to surround yourself with positive

9:24 Speaker 1: people who want what's best for you and who want

9:27 Speaker 1: want what's best for the scene and really kind of

9:29 Speaker 1: see it as a community, I think is really important.

9:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, I agree with you there there's if we're not

9:35 Speaker 2: connected with each other. To me, it's nothing is ever

9:38 Speaker 2: a competition either, and everyone has something to offer as

9:43 Speaker 2: a musician and I really respect and admire anybody who

9:46 Speaker 2: just does this in any way, shape or form. So

9:50 Speaker 2: I always I have I feel like I do have

9:52 Speaker 2: a good sense of just like understanding people and where

9:57 Speaker 2: they're coming from. Like you were saying, it is really

9:59 Speaker 2: hard to not get take things personally, especially if someone

10:04 Speaker 2: doesn't like your music or your sound. Sure sure so,

10:07 Speaker 2: like you said, surrounding yourself with like a positive group

10:10 Speaker 2: of people who are going after the same thing, or

10:13 Speaker 2: I try to choose surround myself with people who are

10:15 Speaker 2: in a place that I want to be or a

10:17 Speaker 2: level that I'm not at yet. I just love I

10:20 Speaker 2: love I love learning. I just want to learn from everyone.

10:23 Speaker 1: You just said something very important because what a lot

10:26 Speaker 1: of people don't understand. And this this supplies not just

10:30 Speaker 1: in music, but in so many things. People get people

10:34 Speaker 1: get frustrated, People get envious of people who are doing

10:37 Speaker 1: better than they are, and and so I think people

10:41 Speaker 1: will often miss an opportunity to learn from someone because

10:44 Speaker 1: they're frustrated that they're not where that person is where

10:47 Speaker 1: they think they should be. And it's important to you know,

10:51 Speaker 1: my the way I tend to think of it, as

10:53 Speaker 1: you know, I mean, there are people who are you know,

10:56 Speaker 1: I do a few different things, and there are people

10:58 Speaker 1: who are far more successful these things than I am.

11:01 Speaker 1: But I look at those people and I try to

11:03 Speaker 1: take inspiration, try to learn from them. But also if

11:06 Speaker 1: they can do it, then that's proof of concept, you know,

11:09 Speaker 1: because none of it, it's nothing is a zero sum game.

11:13 Speaker 1: Life is not a zero sum game. The music industry

11:15 Speaker 1: is not a zero some game. Just because somebody is

11:16 Speaker 1: doing better doesn't mean you're automatically doing worse. Really, it's

11:21 Speaker 1: an opportunity for you to learn from them and to

11:23 Speaker 1: kind of maybe try to model what they do or

11:25 Speaker 1: follow their example whatever it is, you know, or just

11:29 Speaker 1: you see them succeed and it's like, okay, well if

11:31 Speaker 1: they can do it, I can do it, you know.

11:33 Speaker 1: And to really and to really kind of remember that

11:35 Speaker 1: and keep that in mind.

11:36 Speaker 2: Oh definitely. Yeah, And everyone has their own path in

11:40 Speaker 2: this industry in particular, it's different for everyone. Yeah, there's

11:44 Speaker 2: And what I'm learning too is success for everyone is different.

11:49 Speaker 2: We define success differently. So I'm really trying to figure

11:53 Speaker 2: or figure it right now what successful means to me

11:57 Speaker 2: and and kind of let that guide me as well.

12:00 Speaker 2: All because what's working for someone else may actually may

12:02 Speaker 2: not work for me. So I think it's just in

12:06 Speaker 2: terms two of thinking what a success to you? And

12:09 Speaker 2: right now, if I could pay my bills with my music,

12:11 Speaker 2: that is success. I'm so fortunate for that. I count

12:14 Speaker 2: my blessing. Because you also don't know how long it's

12:16 Speaker 2: gonna last.

12:17 Speaker 1: Sure, sure, yeah.

12:18 Speaker 2: It's all unknown. Every day is unknown, which makes it

12:21 Speaker 2: exciting but also terrifying.

12:24 Speaker 1: What has surprised you? Are there things that have surprised

12:27 Speaker 1: you just in terms of are there things about about

12:32 Speaker 1: your career where you kind of go, Okay, I didn't

12:34 Speaker 1: think this would be like this. I didn't think, Uh,

12:38 Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't. I didn't think that, you know,

12:41 Speaker 1: whatever it is, it could even be something negative, like

12:43 Speaker 1: I didn't think, you know, Spotify would pay so poorly

12:45 Speaker 1: or whatever it is. Like, are there things even counter

12:47 Speaker 1: that have really been a surprise to you?

12:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean there's always surprises around every corner. Yeah,

12:53 Speaker 2: but with this, I think I've just been really surprising myself.

12:58 Speaker 2: I haven't really I didn't really realize what i've I

13:03 Speaker 2: was capable of because I've I'm always such like a

13:06 Speaker 2: nervous and shy person I'm I look at myself as

13:10 Speaker 2: like an introverted extrovert, like I actually have a really

13:13 Speaker 2: hard time with performing, which has always surprised me because

13:16 Speaker 2: I love the theater and being on stage. But that

13:20 Speaker 2: was that was down that I think about. It probably

13:22 Speaker 2: the first most kind of like shock factor for me.

13:25 Speaker 2: When I got on stage for the first time, I

13:27 Speaker 2: was my guitar. I'm like, oh, I'm not a character.

13:30 Speaker 2: I'm not playing somebody interesting. This is me, and you

13:35 Speaker 2: can't I mean, you can't act unless you want to

13:38 Speaker 2: try to be a different persona. But it's it's a

13:41 Speaker 2: goal of mine to always be as authentic and just

13:44 Speaker 2: be myself and hope that's enough. But that was that

13:48 Speaker 2: was really shocking to me, to just be like, whoa

13:50 Speaker 2: this is. It's a completely different game than I thought

13:53 Speaker 2: it was performance wise. But there's there's just been a

13:59 Speaker 2: lot of different experience instance that I have that have

14:01 Speaker 2: been surprising. Like Jim challenged me, He's like got me

14:05 Speaker 2: down to Blackbirds Studio in Nashville, and thinking like I

14:11 Speaker 2: had so many thoughts of what that experience was going

14:13 Speaker 2: to be like and how those people what they were

14:17 Speaker 2: going to be like. All my cesson musicians and my producer,

14:21 Speaker 2: and I did get to meet John McBride too, which

14:23 Speaker 2: was really cool. But I was just shocked at how

14:26 Speaker 2: down to earth and humble all those guys were and

14:29 Speaker 2: inviting and warm and welcoming. I was so scared for

14:32 Speaker 2: absolutely no reason. I was treated with respect, which is

14:36 Speaker 2: refreshing in an industry where people always you never know.

14:40 Speaker 2: We were talking about earlier, but I think it's there's

14:45 Speaker 2: just been so many surprises, but beautiful surprises too, and

14:50 Speaker 2: just again it goes back to discovering myself. I don't

14:53 Speaker 2: really I'm still finding myself. I just turned twenty seven,

14:56 Speaker 2: so I still feel like I'm still kid, right, It's

15:01 Speaker 2: better starting to figure it out.

15:05 Speaker 1: Yeah, the the Nashville perspective is interesting. We've we've had

15:09 Speaker 1: a lot of guests on the show who you know,

15:11 Speaker 1: they talk about going to Nashville and how intimidating it is,

15:16 Speaker 1: you know, because it's Nashville. But you know, they they

15:20 Speaker 1: find people who or they have you know, usually if

15:22 Speaker 1: someone has some sort of a connection already in Nashville,

15:25 Speaker 1: you know it's it's hopefully it's going to be a

15:26 Speaker 1: positive experience, and it usually turns out to be but

15:29 Speaker 1: it's you know, that's that's pretty intimidating. You know, it

15:32 Speaker 1: sounds really scary to me. Is like those songwriting circles,

15:36 Speaker 1: and I'm sure those happen. I know they happened in

15:38 Speaker 1: New York City too, But but Nash, I mean, that

15:40 Speaker 1: sounds like really intense pressure. I don't know if you

15:43 Speaker 1: had an opportunity to do that when you were there.

15:45 Speaker 2: No, I did not perform when I was down there.

15:47 Speaker 2: I was just in the studio, and I'm glad I

15:49 Speaker 2: didn't because I definitely am not ready for them. Yeah,

15:52 Speaker 2: it's like you said, it's intimidating. Yeah, those are some

15:54 Speaker 2: of the best people in the game.

15:56 Speaker 1: Yep.

15:56 Speaker 2: Yeah, but then again, I come up here in New

15:59 Speaker 2: Hampshire and we also have the talent is in my

16:03 Speaker 2: opinion at at some of the same level. Yeah, it's

16:08 Speaker 2: not directed to one location, but it was cool to

16:10 Speaker 2: go experience it.

16:12 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, No, I agree with you though. It's like,

16:14 Speaker 1: you know, any anywhere. I mean, we have an incredible

16:16 Speaker 1: music scene here, but I would also say that's probably

16:20 Speaker 1: the case anywhere, Like any anywhere in the world, there's people,

16:23 Speaker 1: you know, that's the thing. We're fortunate to live in

16:25 Speaker 1: an era where, because of the Internet, you know, you

16:27 Speaker 1: can find music from anywhere in the world and find

16:30 Speaker 1: something you like. You know, there's we live in an

16:33 Speaker 1: amazing time in that sense, because, like Jenny and I

16:35 Speaker 1: are old enough to remember when you know, you go

16:37 Speaker 1: to the you go to the record store and you

16:39 Speaker 1: flip through and you find stuff, and you know, now

16:41 Speaker 1: you can just go online find anything you want. You know,

16:43 Speaker 1: I mean literally, you know any genre and you know

16:45 Speaker 1: you want to hear some Norwegian speed metal, well you can.

16:49 Speaker 1: You can go online and google that and find some

16:51 Speaker 1: and you might find something you like. You know. It's

16:54 Speaker 1: it's it's really a remarkable time that way. I feel

16:57 Speaker 1: like too. In music, people are just generally musicians creative

17:03 Speaker 1: types are just generally more supportive. I often draw a

17:08 Speaker 1: contrast with stand up comedy. Now, I have no experience

17:11 Speaker 1: in stand up comedy. I'm not a comic, but some

17:14 Speaker 1: of the podcasts that I've fallen into listening to over

17:16 Speaker 1: the years are hosted by comics, and my impression of

17:19 Speaker 1: stand up comedy is that it's very cutthroat and everyone

17:23 Speaker 1: kind of secretly hates each other, and sometimes it spills

17:26 Speaker 1: out into the open and it's but but with music,

17:29 Speaker 1: I feel like all genres too, I feel like like

17:33 Speaker 1: people are just generally more supportive and want to see

17:36 Speaker 1: other people succeed and and want to want to help

17:39 Speaker 1: each other, and there's much more of a sense of community.

17:41 Speaker 2: Oh definitely. Yeah, And that was honestly a big reason

17:46 Speaker 2: too why I made that transition from theater to the

17:50 Speaker 2: to music, because I felt more of a warm and

17:52 Speaker 2: welcoming community. Yeah, it's it's hard. With professional theater, it's

17:56 Speaker 2: it's very competitive and like every everything matter is like

18:01 Speaker 2: inside and out, like and you got to be a

18:03 Speaker 2: triple threat. And I've never just been into competition.

18:08 Speaker 1: Yeah.

18:09 Speaker 2: Just so when I was started out and playing out

18:13 Speaker 2: live and the the amount of support that I got

18:16 Speaker 2: despite not being that good when I first started, I

18:20 Speaker 2: look back at somebody was like, oh my gosh, but

18:24 Speaker 2: we all get to start somewhere.

18:25 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

18:26 Speaker 2: So. Yeah, it's just that when people are are warm

18:30 Speaker 2: and welcoming it it helps everybody in the long run.

18:33 Speaker 2: We all need to support each other and be part

18:36 Speaker 2: of it together because it can be isolating. We're all

18:39 Speaker 2: on the road by ourselves. So when you can get

18:42 Speaker 2: together or watch someone else it's so important to make

18:44 Speaker 2: those connections.

18:46 Speaker 1: By the way you use the term triple threat, I

18:47 Speaker 1: think I've heard that before apply to theater. Is that?

18:49 Speaker 1: Let me let me see if I if I have

18:51 Speaker 1: it right? Is it? You got to be able to sing,

18:55 Speaker 1: dance and act?

18:56 Speaker 2: You got it? I could not do the dance part.

19:00 Speaker 1: Really, did you do theater for a long time?

19:03 Speaker 2: I did? Yeah? I actually I was in the theater

19:06 Speaker 2: program up in Plmouth State University and I did some

19:10 Speaker 2: shows at like in the Interlake Summer Theater. There was

19:14 Speaker 2: a professional theater out of like the Tilt and prep school,

19:16 Speaker 2: so I was in both like community and professional stage shows. Yeah,

19:20 Speaker 2: which was really cool. And again like those difference in

19:23 Speaker 2: communities in the support system. Community theater is in my opinion,

19:27 Speaker 2: so important for to have in every every city, every

19:31 Speaker 2: town that it was just so important to my development

19:36 Speaker 2: growing up and just having the arts.

19:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, I need them absolutely. So without that experience, you

19:42 Speaker 1: might not be doing what you're doing now, I would assume.

19:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, I probably wouldn't. I don't think i'd have the

19:48 Speaker 2: ability to. It's hard to step on stage.

19:51 Speaker 1: Sure, sure does that work for it? So I don't

19:55 Speaker 1: do it anymore. I used to play in bands, and

19:57 Speaker 1: for me it was always because I'm in introvert but

20:02 Speaker 1: which is surprises some people when they hear me say

20:05 Speaker 1: that because I do this, But it's like, yeah, but

20:06 Speaker 1: if you really understand, because extroverts don't understand what being

20:10 Speaker 1: an introvert really is in some ways. But but for me,

20:14 Speaker 1: it was always with playing out. It was like I

20:16 Speaker 1: would be very anxious right up to the moment of

20:19 Speaker 1: getting on stage. Once I was on stage, I just

20:23 Speaker 1: all that fell away. Although I never did what you did,

20:29 Speaker 1: so I always played in bands. So when you're a

20:32 Speaker 1: dude and a band with a bunch of dudes, it's

20:34 Speaker 1: a little different, you know what. It's safer, you know

20:36 Speaker 1: what I mean. I was the bass Like, if I'm

20:38 Speaker 1: a bass player in a rock band, there's you know,

20:41 Speaker 1: and other bass players might not like when I say this,

20:43 Speaker 1: but there's not a lot of pressure really because the

20:46 Speaker 1: attention is not on me when I'm on stage, but

20:49 Speaker 1: doing what you do, the attention is all on you.

20:51 Speaker 2: Yeah. It's scary, especially being by yourself. Yeah, And I've

20:56 Speaker 2: really had to work on being confident with my guitar,

20:58 Speaker 2: being self taught, yeah, and trying to figure that out too,

21:03 Speaker 2: But it's I think, no matter what, it's just a

21:06 Speaker 2: step foot on stage, on any type of stage, no

21:08 Speaker 2: matter if it's twenty people, one hundred and fifty people.

21:12 Speaker 2: To me, it's always scary, like you're saying, I still

21:15 Speaker 2: get that, Like I despite seven years up until like

21:19 Speaker 2: I'm on stage, it takes me a little bit to

21:21 Speaker 2: settle in, but then once I do and get comfortable,

21:24 Speaker 2: it kind of fades away.

21:25 Speaker 1: Yeah.

21:25 Speaker 2: Yeah, but I'm also a perfectionist. I nitpick everything, so

21:29 Speaker 2: I try. I got to like find a way to

21:31 Speaker 2: escape and get out of my head. And so because

21:33 Speaker 2: the music does that for me, Yeah, I Garrett of this,

21:36 Speaker 2: I'm just okay, what's the music that I'm playing? What's

21:38 Speaker 2: the story I'm telling?

21:39 Speaker 1: Well, you kind of want to be a little anxious, right,

21:41 Speaker 1: Like in a way, it's you know, it might not

21:44 Speaker 1: be the most pleasant thing to feel that nervousness, but

21:46 Speaker 1: if it went away, wouldn't you kind of miss it?

21:48 Speaker 1: Because then it's like because then you might start wondering,

21:51 Speaker 1: I don't know, is this exciting to be still? Or

21:54 Speaker 1: am I getting complacent? You know?

21:56 Speaker 2: You make a good point there, Yeah, the nerves tell

21:58 Speaker 2: us that we care and it's important to us. Yeah,

22:02 Speaker 2: And maybe that's why I haven't lost it, because every

22:06 Speaker 2: day I don't, this just gets more meaningful to me

22:08 Speaker 2: because I've been doing it for so long now and

22:10 Speaker 2: chasing something kind of not really still not knowing what

22:14 Speaker 2: I'm chasing. Yeah, and just all I know is I

22:16 Speaker 2: want to have a career in music, right, But you

22:19 Speaker 2: could do so much with that, right, But.

22:22 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I because I had moments. I remember, you know,

22:27 Speaker 1: there were a couple of shows along the way where

22:28 Speaker 1: I wasn't nervous before. But I look back and I realized, well,

22:31 Speaker 1: that's because there were shows where maybe there was hardly

22:34 Speaker 1: anyone there. So it's like, well, I kind of takes

22:36 Speaker 1: the pressure off when you're playing to an empty room.

22:37 Speaker 1: It's like there's nobody here, but you know, but then

22:39 Speaker 1: we'd play a show where there were people, and I'd

22:41 Speaker 1: get nervous again, and it's like, okay, good, good, it's

22:43 Speaker 1: still there. But yeah, I'd like I'm I'm very much

22:46 Speaker 1: an introvert, but for me, it's like I'm much more

22:50 Speaker 1: comfortable being on stage or any kind of performance element.

22:56 Speaker 1: That's where I feel the safest, you know, whether it's

22:59 Speaker 1: being on stage, playing in a band, or being behind

23:01 Speaker 1: a microphone doing a radio show or public speaking doesn't

23:05 Speaker 1: phaze me at all. Actually enjoy it. I'm I feel

23:07 Speaker 1: more comfortable speaking in public than I do just having

23:11 Speaker 1: a conversation with somebody. And I mean, you know I

23:16 Speaker 1: can do. I used to be very socially awkward, but

23:19 Speaker 1: I I dealt with that. But but but ultimately, like

23:23 Speaker 1: this is where I feel the safest behind this microphone.

23:25 Speaker 1: You know what I mean? Does that make sense?

23:26 Speaker 2: It sure does. I know exactly what you mean and

23:29 Speaker 2: it and people don't understand it that don't do it?

23:32 Speaker 1: Yeah, what do you mean?

23:33 Speaker 2: You're scared to get that you're or you sing so

23:35 Speaker 2: well or you you've been doing this for so long

23:38 Speaker 2: and I'm like it doesn't matter every time. I'm still

23:41 Speaker 2: just so terrifying, right right. I actually had the first

23:46 Speaker 2: opportunity to open for someone thanks to the a Hampshire

23:51 Speaker 2: Music Collective. Yeah, John MacArthur. I got to open up

23:55 Speaker 2: for John Gorka the Bank and hands Odd and it

23:59 Speaker 2: was incredible and I I really didn't think I was.

24:01 Speaker 2: I was trying to keep myself cong because I knew

24:03 Speaker 2: I was going to be nervous yeah, and I got

24:06 Speaker 2: up there. All I had to do was play for

24:08 Speaker 2: twenty minutes. I play for three hours almost every day.

24:10 Speaker 2: All of a sudden, Yeah, but I got so incredibly nervous.

24:14 Speaker 2: I had to run off stage and immediately throw up.

24:17 Speaker 2: I will how much I was worked up. Thank god,

24:19 Speaker 2: nobody could tell.

24:21 Speaker 1: You mean at the end of the site yeh oh wow.

24:23 Speaker 2: And thank god. So I run around the ground. Yeah,

24:27 Speaker 2: And in my head, I'm like, why it's so scared

24:30 Speaker 2: Because I have been doing this so long and it

24:33 Speaker 2: was my own I'm wondering if it was with my

24:35 Speaker 2: own music. But I'm just finding that maybe it's just

24:38 Speaker 2: for me. But I don't think it's going to go away.

24:40 Speaker 2: Those nerves are always going to be there. Yeah, But

24:43 Speaker 2: I just I care so deeply, and I also just

24:46 Speaker 2: want to create an experience for anyone that's at one

24:50 Speaker 2: of my shows, even if it's just to escape or

24:53 Speaker 2: or to get out whatever you're feeling that heartbreak they

24:56 Speaker 2: just went through. Sometimes I just need to hear that

24:58 Speaker 2: sad song. But yeah, I think I will forever be nervously.

25:07 Speaker 1: Have you got an open for for anybody else like that?

25:09 Speaker 2: Like John Gorka, No, that's that's it so far. I

25:14 Speaker 2: hope to that's my goin in the future to do

25:16 Speaker 2: more of that. I really enjoyed it.

25:18 Speaker 1: Do you have like a kind of a dream idea

25:21 Speaker 1: of who you'd really like to open for? Is there

25:22 Speaker 1: someone you just think would be.

25:25 Speaker 2: Would love to open up for? Liz Longley So she's

25:29 Speaker 2: one of my favorite singer songwriters.

25:31 Speaker 1: Not familiar with her.

25:32 Speaker 2: She I think she's from Pennsylvania, but she's in Nashville.

25:37 Speaker 2: It's kind of like an Americana artist, but she does

25:39 Speaker 2: a little bit of everything. But I saw her live

25:42 Speaker 2: at the Tupelou Music Hall. I just wanted to go

25:45 Speaker 2: to a show. I had the night off. I never

25:47 Speaker 2: get Fridays or Saturdays off. I think this was like

25:50 Speaker 2: this is probably four years ago now, and I saw

25:54 Speaker 2: it was a female artist, and if I get a chance,

25:56 Speaker 2: like I always try to find someone that I can

25:59 Speaker 2: just go for inspiration or just to see what someone

26:02 Speaker 2: else is doing. Yeah, And I absolutely fell in love

26:05 Speaker 2: with her in the way that she told her stories

26:07 Speaker 2: and her songs just had a great sound. But I

26:11 Speaker 2: absolutely adore her and her One of her songs is

26:14 Speaker 2: actually what inspired me to write my own and am

26:17 Speaker 2: I missing something. So if I could open up for

26:21 Speaker 2: her one day that I think I could fit well

26:23 Speaker 2: into into like her sound too like we'd pair well.

26:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, oh very cool.

26:29 Speaker 2: Maybe one day.

26:30 Speaker 1: If you're just joining us. Rebecca Turmelo is here with

26:33 Speaker 1: us live in studio. Have you is anyone reached out

26:38 Speaker 1: to her like to try to you know, like maybe

26:41 Speaker 1: John or somebody like just kind of.

26:44 Speaker 2: I would like to, but I think I'd be too

26:47 Speaker 2: scared to do it right now, you know what I mean.

26:49 Speaker 2: But it's Liz Longley. I need to be ready because

26:52 Speaker 2: that actually so, I'm in a duo partner with I'm

26:55 Speaker 2: so lucky, my boyfriend and musical genius all in one.

26:59 Speaker 2: We play together all the time. Oh, we saw her

27:01 Speaker 2: when she came to The Flying Monkey at the beginning.

27:04 Speaker 2: It was March, I think this year, and he's like,

27:08 Speaker 2: you have to go talk to her because she came

27:09 Speaker 2: out after the show. Oh really, I my first experience

27:15 Speaker 2: with like getting starstruck. Yeah, like, is this what it

27:19 Speaker 2: feels like? But she he told her that we always

27:23 Speaker 2: play her song Camaro. It's this song is incredible in

27:26 Speaker 2: terms of like the lyrics and the story, the story

27:28 Speaker 2: I can relate to and she's like, oh, send me

27:31 Speaker 2: a video when you get the chance. So every time

27:33 Speaker 2: we play it. Now I've been taking a video and

27:35 Speaker 2: I'm like, when it's right, maybe we'll send it over

27:37 Speaker 2: to her. See what happens. And maybe that could be

27:39 Speaker 2: the opportunity.

27:40 Speaker 1: That could be No, that that could very well, that

27:43 Speaker 1: could very well be an n So. Now, so how

27:46 Speaker 1: often do you play as a duo?

27:48 Speaker 2: Not too often, probably about like two or three times

27:51 Speaker 2: a month. But we just played actually last night, we

27:55 Speaker 2: played a thirtieth birthday party for a good friend of ours.

27:59 Speaker 2: But we we've been writing some music together and that's

28:02 Speaker 2: been another great experience lately, is working and writing with

28:06 Speaker 2: someone else. And we we endo actually it was the

28:10 Speaker 2: two of us that recorded the studio Portland, so I'm

28:13 Speaker 2: really hoping we got some good takes because it was

28:15 Speaker 2: nerve wracking. Yeah, So I hope to have some of

28:19 Speaker 2: our music out soon because we performed to do it

28:22 Speaker 2: that we wrote together there excellent.

28:24 Speaker 1: Does he also play guitar?

28:26 Speaker 2: Okay, he's the most talented guitarist that I know, but

28:28 Speaker 2: he also is a singer songwriter. He produces great with

28:32 Speaker 2: all the recording, so I'm actually learning a lot from

28:34 Speaker 2: him in that sense. Brendan Gill Gill and he just

28:39 Speaker 2: actually released his first single are You Here, and self

28:44 Speaker 2: produced that and mixed it on his own, and I'm

28:49 Speaker 2: the quality of it. It just came out great, And

28:52 Speaker 2: I'm like, I wish, I wish I would have put

28:55 Speaker 2: a little bit more time into my first song. I mean,

28:56 Speaker 2: I'm proud of how it came out, but it's nice

28:58 Speaker 2: to see, like because he put a lot of time

29:01 Speaker 2: and years into it versus I just kind of had

29:04 Speaker 2: of ripped that band aid off. I'm just gonna get

29:06 Speaker 2: in there. Whatever happens, happens, we'll capture it, right. I

29:08 Speaker 2: can always rerecord it right, right, So I it's it's

29:13 Speaker 2: it's it's cool to like meet somebody else who has

29:16 Speaker 2: a different perspective and a different way of doing things

29:18 Speaker 2: because I'm learning from that. Yeah, I'm not stuck in

29:20 Speaker 2: my ways. I'm seeing how something else works with a

29:23 Speaker 2: different approach.

29:24 Speaker 1: Right.

29:25 Speaker 2: So I'm lucky too, Like I just I get to

29:27 Speaker 2: spend all my time with him doing what I love,

29:30 Speaker 2: with the person I love that. There's nothing that beats that.

29:33 Speaker 1: That's awesome, excellent, excellent, Well we should uh, we'll play

29:36 Speaker 1: another track. What should we play next? I'll let you pick,

29:39 Speaker 1: We've got the road song or wish you well.

29:42 Speaker 2: Let's do wish you well because that was that's kind

29:44 Speaker 2: of like part two to am I missing something? Oh?

29:46 Speaker 1: Okay, perfect, and then we'll play We'll play road song

29:49 Speaker 1: at the end of the segment. But if you are

29:51 Speaker 1: just so on your nest. Rebecca Turmael is with us

29:53 Speaker 1: here in studio? Oh which studio was this one recorded?

29:56 Speaker 2: Also the underground?

29:57 Speaker 1: Okay? Gotcha? And vermont yep? Okay, very good? All right?

30:01 Speaker 1: This is wish you Well.

30:25 Speaker 3: I did everything I ford do to try and page,

30:33 Speaker 3: but that's not who I have ever seen.

30:43 Speaker 4: Even after all those things you didn't say.

30:51 Speaker 5: I don't wanna oh them against you.

30:55 Speaker 6: Wish you well instead?

30:59 Speaker 1: How is shot?

31:01 Speaker 6: If I could tell you to Louie your pass this

31:06 Speaker 6: one man.

31:07 Speaker 1: Say I it's your.

31:10 Speaker 6: Bill. Oh, I'll miss you.

31:18 Speaker 4: I found this noll boy your turn roumb man. I'm

31:28 Speaker 4: letting go of it over learning from upping.

31:37 Speaker 5: I hope you you cannot be free from all your pace.

31:46 Speaker 5: It may not work out, but I'll pbab.

31:50 Speaker 3: Be a shilling. Oh it's you.

31:56 Speaker 6: If I could tell you to your face he's working,

32:01 Speaker 6: I'd say, upbraid to love yourself.

32:07 Speaker 3: It's true. I always shoe.

32:30 Speaker 2: I wish you.

32:32 Speaker 6: If I could tell you to.

32:35 Speaker 1: Your face he's working, i'd say, upbraid.

32:41 Speaker 6: To love yourself. It's okay, A small half.

32:48 Speaker 3: Always sure.

32:50 Speaker 6: If I can tell to you always he's work, it's

32:56 Speaker 6: saying I wish you.

33:17 Speaker 1: Oh that's nice, I wish you well. Rebecca Turmel is

33:20 Speaker 1: here with us live in studio. Yeah, we were. We

33:23 Speaker 1: were kind of talking off air about the song and

33:26 Speaker 1: how great the mix is and and how how nice

33:29 Speaker 1: those guitars sound, and as you pointed out to the

33:31 Speaker 1: drums sound really good. And and he's a he's a

33:34 Speaker 1: what's his name, Vinnie is it?

33:35 Speaker 2: Yeah? Vincent Freeman.

33:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, he's a drummer. Yeah.

33:39 Speaker 5: Yeah.

33:40 Speaker 1: Now that's a lot of the stuff that comes out

33:43 Speaker 1: in Nashville to I always say this, I'm curious if

33:45 Speaker 1: you agree with me in terms of production. I mean,

33:48 Speaker 1: the production on that is phenomenal. I feel like I'm

33:50 Speaker 1: not a I'm not a big country guy, but i

33:52 Speaker 1: feel like the best produced because I have a somewhat

33:57 Speaker 1: of a background in audio production, the best produced music

34:00 Speaker 1: to me, But you just hear on the radio on

34:03 Speaker 1: commercial radio is coming out of Nashville in terms of

34:06 Speaker 1: how the guitars sound and how the drums sound, Like,

34:08 Speaker 1: I feel like Nashville's really got it down right now,

34:11 Speaker 1: you know. But I'm picky as hell too, like especially

34:13 Speaker 1: about how drums sound, you know, like something went somewhere

34:17 Speaker 1: along the line with I think it probably started in

34:21 Speaker 1: the nineties, like with rock music. Something to me went

34:23 Speaker 1: wrong with the way guitars are recorded. They they don't

34:27 Speaker 1: sound right to me. And and a lot of a

34:29 Speaker 1: lot with drums too, you know. But I feel like,

34:32 Speaker 1: but anything that comes out in Nashville, it's like they've

34:34 Speaker 1: really nailed it.

34:35 Speaker 3: You know.

34:36 Speaker 2: Yeah, And that's a big reason why I made the

34:39 Speaker 2: decision to go down there. I would have sent you

34:42 Speaker 2: that song, but I didn't have a radio edit. And

34:43 Speaker 2: I say one bad word, no, but it's not really

34:46 Speaker 2: that bad. But I wrote this song with Jim called

34:50 Speaker 2: Girls on Fire my female empowerment anthem. But that was

34:55 Speaker 2: something I noticed too when I was down there or

34:58 Speaker 2: listening back to just like the first take, Yeah, like

35:02 Speaker 2: is this real?

35:04 Speaker 1: So good?

35:04 Speaker 2: They haven't even touched it yet, Yeah, but they had

35:07 Speaker 2: one of those I just I don't have too much

35:09 Speaker 2: knowledge on it yet. I'm learning more about it, Like

35:13 Speaker 2: one of the original Neve consoles. Does that sound correct?

35:16 Speaker 4: Uh?

35:17 Speaker 2: And but the drum sound that came out of that

35:20 Speaker 2: was really really impressive. And that was the first time too,

35:24 Speaker 2: when I was in that studio noticing and starting to

35:28 Speaker 2: listen and hear the difference in sounds and instruments and

35:31 Speaker 2: even my vocals and background vocals. Yeah, And that's why

35:36 Speaker 2: I kind of had have been experimenting with jumping around

35:39 Speaker 2: at different studios so I can learn and hear it

35:42 Speaker 2: and know what I like because I don't. I don't

35:43 Speaker 2: know that yet. I finely recorded a handful of songs

35:45 Speaker 2: so far.

35:48 Speaker 1: All the backing vocals.

35:49 Speaker 2: That's all you I assume on Yeah, I wish you

35:51 Speaker 2: well yep. And then am I missing stuff they too?

35:54 Speaker 1: Yeah? Okay, yeah? Yeah?

35:58 Speaker 3: Is that? Uh?

35:59 Speaker 6: Is that?

36:00 Speaker 1: And to do like those layered vocals where you're kind

36:03 Speaker 1: of harmonizing with yourself or does that come easy?

36:06 Speaker 2: It can be. That's something I noticed too, and growing

36:10 Speaker 2: up in the theater and I did course, Yeah, I

36:12 Speaker 2: was a kid too, so that helps me in terms

36:14 Speaker 2: of being able to hear it. But yeah, when it's

36:17 Speaker 2: your own voice, and you're like and it's it's kind

36:20 Speaker 2: of funky. Uh So it was nice. When I was

36:22 Speaker 2: down at Blackbird, I was able to hire a background

36:26 Speaker 2: vocalist and she came in and I swear it only

36:28 Speaker 2: took her like five minutes. And it's not an easy

36:30 Speaker 2: song to sing. I'm in there all day, like I'm

36:32 Speaker 2: not going to do this. And then her name was Marcia,

36:36 Speaker 2: and she was just just like just this beautiful, bright,

36:40 Speaker 2: bubbly energy that I needed day. But she just sang

36:44 Speaker 2: was like I'll never forget what she said too. She's like, wow, girl,

36:47 Speaker 2: this is a barn burner.

36:49 Speaker 1: Oh that's school. That's cool.

36:51 Speaker 2: I will never forget that. Yeah, but it was nice

36:54 Speaker 2: to hear that difference too, and it's it I would

36:57 Speaker 2: like to like, it's I can do it myself, but

37:00 Speaker 2: I feel like it adds a different element and a

37:02 Speaker 2: different sound and gives it more of a quality to

37:04 Speaker 2: it when you have a contrasting tone or what it's

37:07 Speaker 2: kind of similar.

37:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt. Now are these all on an album

37:13 Speaker 1: that's available or what?

37:15 Speaker 3: No?

37:15 Speaker 2: No, I actually have been releasing single by single okay,

37:19 Speaker 2: because I really being new to it and just not

37:23 Speaker 2: sure of where it was going or what I wanted

37:25 Speaker 2: to do. I wanted to just like give each song

37:28 Speaker 2: sole focus. Yeah so far, But actually I just recently

37:34 Speaker 2: finished recording. It still needs to be mixed and master

37:37 Speaker 2: and all. That my first collection of songs in a

37:40 Speaker 2: three song EP, okay, and that was that was interesting

37:44 Speaker 2: to do because I haven't done that yet, working on

37:46 Speaker 2: a collection of music and keeping like a similar sound

37:50 Speaker 2: and stories and such. But yeah, the song by song

37:54 Speaker 2: I think was a good choice for me, just being

37:57 Speaker 2: is not knowing who I was an artist yet, that

38:01 Speaker 2: makes sense.

38:02 Speaker 1: Yeah, And you know, we again, we live in a

38:04 Speaker 1: time where you know, you've got different options in terms

38:08 Speaker 1: of like when I was growing up, it was, you know,

38:10 Speaker 1: somebody would put out an album and usually there would

38:12 Speaker 1: be a single for the album that would go to radio,

38:15 Speaker 1: usually six eight weeks before the album was coming out,

38:18 Speaker 1: and then the album would come out and then subsequent

38:21 Speaker 1: singles would come out. And that was just the standard

38:24 Speaker 1: way of doing it. Whereas now you know, you can

38:27 Speaker 1: do it any way you want to, like a lot

38:28 Speaker 1: of a lot of guests that we have on the show,

38:30 Speaker 1: do it the way you're doing it, where you know

38:32 Speaker 1: you have a series of singles and maybe eventually those

38:35 Speaker 1: singles become an EP or an album or maybe not.

38:37 Speaker 2: But yeah, there was something interesting actually that Minnie told

38:41 Speaker 2: me from the underground. He's like, have you ever heard

38:43 Speaker 2: of the Waterfall release?

38:44 Speaker 1: The Waterfall Effect? Yeah, oh, Temple Mountain, you know Temple. Yeah,

38:49 Speaker 1: he was on last week and he was talking about that,

38:51 Speaker 1: because that's been his.

38:52 Speaker 2: Approach to Yeah, and it seems to work for people.

38:56 Speaker 2: But in our constantly changing music industry and especially with

39:01 Speaker 2: the way people consume their music, I think to releasing

39:05 Speaker 2: song by song, it gives more life to each to

39:11 Speaker 2: each song and and not something for people to look

39:14 Speaker 2: forward to and stay stay connected with. You release all

39:17 Speaker 2: those songs at once, like that moment's over. You can

39:20 Speaker 2: kind of actend that when you release song by song,

39:24 Speaker 2: because especially as as someone like me who's also writing

39:27 Speaker 2: music and trying to become a recording artist as well,

39:31 Speaker 2: building that community and keeping those my followers and my

39:34 Speaker 2: fans engaged and just in wanting to hear more. So

39:38 Speaker 2: I think it's been it's been working so far. But

39:41 Speaker 2: I'm really intrigued by that Waterfall release and here I

39:44 Speaker 2: might utilize that.

39:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, Yeah, absolutely. The time goes so fast. So what's

39:51 Speaker 1: what's kind of your uh what do you see as

39:53 Speaker 1: sort of the long term trajectory or do you know, like,

39:56 Speaker 1: do you have kind of a plan in terms of

39:59 Speaker 1: are you going or maybe I don't know if you're

40:01 Speaker 1: done a national tour or no.

40:03 Speaker 2: But I would love even I it's just around New England,

40:07 Speaker 2: just to go out perform some shows singer songwriter style,

40:12 Speaker 2: just me and my guitar and tell my stories. But

40:17 Speaker 2: my my also make goal. Like I I just I

40:21 Speaker 2: just love being in the studio and creating, and I've

40:24 Speaker 2: always wanted to look into what it would be like

40:27 Speaker 2: to write for other people as well, because I just

40:29 Speaker 2: love writing and creating and being in that process, Like

40:34 Speaker 2: being in the spotlight is not really what I want necessarily.

40:39 Speaker 2: I just want to create the music and create something meaningful.

40:42 Speaker 1: Okay.

40:43 Speaker 2: So because it's it's so funny and it feels weird

40:46 Speaker 2: to say this, but if I didn't have to perform again,

40:50 Speaker 2: I'd be okay with that. But as long as I

40:52 Speaker 2: have my studio and I can write my music and

40:54 Speaker 2: just play my guitar, happy because it's what we were

40:58 Speaker 2: talking about. It's so nerve wracking, and but for some reason,

41:01 Speaker 2: I have to keep doing it right. It's like a

41:03 Speaker 2: calling and I can't. I can't be a songwriter thout performing.

41:08 Speaker 2: So it's like kind of you gotta do it. It's

41:09 Speaker 2: hand in hand.

41:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, well yeah, and it's working for you. It's

41:13 Speaker 1: it's uh, it's definitely working. Have you You mentioned earlier too,

41:18 Speaker 1: because you know our audience, we know this industry, people

41:22 Speaker 1: who listen. There's also a lot of musicians who are

41:24 Speaker 1: you know, uh, trying to make their way. Do you

41:26 Speaker 1: have any advice for someone because you you've been able

41:29 Speaker 1: to really make some leaps and bounds in a short time,

41:32 Speaker 1: do you have any advice for someone who's maybe starting out,

41:34 Speaker 1: maybe a singer songwriter starting out.

41:37 Speaker 2: The worst thing you can do is compare yourself to

41:40 Speaker 2: those around you. Like we were saying earlier, it's not

41:43 Speaker 2: a comparison. Use it as a learning experience. Yeah, you

41:48 Speaker 2: are your own person, You have your own perspective, in

41:50 Speaker 2: your own voice. So trust that that's enough. I did

41:55 Speaker 2: in that first and it's it's hard to ignore all

41:58 Speaker 2: the noise, so to say, sure, but also just just

42:02 Speaker 2: forcing yourself to do it. If you're scared of something.

42:05 Speaker 2: You should probably go and do that thing because that's

42:09 Speaker 2: going to bring you further. I remember I couldn't even

42:13 Speaker 2: keep my hands still when I was playing my guitar,

42:16 Speaker 2: but I'm like, I'm doing it because you cannot get

42:18 Speaker 2: better if you don't do it. So I think the

42:20 Speaker 2: biggest thing that helped me was just forcing myself into

42:23 Speaker 2: those difficult situations, figuring it out in the moment. And

42:26 Speaker 2: although I may not have believed in myself, just at

42:29 Speaker 2: least trying to find a little bit belief. So do

42:32 Speaker 2: the hard things and just do the best you can.

42:36 Speaker 2: At the end of the day, that's all you can do.

42:38 Speaker 2: Just do something, move the goalpost, even if it's just

42:40 Speaker 2: a little bit.

42:41 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I think that's great advice, absolutely absolutely, And

42:46 Speaker 1: where should people go online to keep up with everything

42:48 Speaker 1: that you're doing.

42:49 Speaker 2: So I have a website Rebecca Tremel dot com, but

42:52 Speaker 2: you can find me on Facebook and Instagram and if

42:57 Speaker 2: you want to see me perform, my mom bands intown too,

42:59 Speaker 2: so which is a great website alert see in your area.

43:02 Speaker 1: I love that absolutely, But I'm all around.

43:05 Speaker 2: I'm actually we'll be at a Oddball Brewing tonight in Pembrooke,

43:09 Speaker 2: or sun Cook for the first time.

43:10 Speaker 1: Okay, so I'm all.

43:12 Speaker 2: Over, I try I play. I play a lot in

43:14 Speaker 2: New Hampshire, but I'm in Masson Vermont sometimes as well. Yeah,

43:18 Speaker 2: I'll go where over they'll let me sing with my guitar.

43:20 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Where's the furthest you've gone as far as

43:24 Speaker 1: playing shows?

43:25 Speaker 2: I mean I played down in Florida then that was

43:27 Speaker 2: moretest because on vacation. But in this area by Portland's

43:32 Speaker 2: probably the farthest. No, actually, because now I've been in Killington,

43:37 Speaker 2: that's pretty part. That's pretty far too in terms of

43:39 Speaker 2: where I'm located. But probably the farthest I've driven is

43:42 Speaker 2: three hours for a show. Yeah, and I think that's

43:45 Speaker 2: something too that that helped me get a little bit farther.

43:48 Speaker 2: Is I just I didn't care how long I had

43:50 Speaker 2: to drive where I had to go, just if I

43:52 Speaker 2: had the gig opportunity again getting that experience that helped

43:55 Speaker 2: me out tremendously. Am I I'll take it, I'll drive.

43:58 Speaker 1: I can do it well. That that reminds me of

44:00 Speaker 1: what you know, we had a Frank Gallagher played at

44:03 Speaker 1: a plague Dad rather on with us during the first hour.

44:05 Speaker 1: You know, He's from Portland, and he was saying, uh, yeah,

44:09 Speaker 1: just you know, play out as much as possible, which

44:11 Speaker 1: is which is interesting too because some some people it

44:14 Speaker 1: tends to be more though, people in bands, people in

44:18 Speaker 1: like four piece rock bands, who say, yeah, you actually

44:21 Speaker 1: don't want to play out too much because you risk oversaturating.

44:24 Speaker 1: But but I I always when I used to play,

44:26 Speaker 1: I always just wanted to play as much as I

44:28 Speaker 1: possibly could, you know, That was my That was my

44:31 Speaker 1: kind of ethos about it. Just just get out there

44:33 Speaker 1: and play as much as you can. I mean, I

44:35 Speaker 1: think you know, if you're playing the same like if

44:37 Speaker 1: you're playing the same bar every single week or something,

44:39 Speaker 1: you can oversaturate. But but you also want the experience

44:43 Speaker 1: and and you know, and and seize every opportunity to uh,

44:47 Speaker 1: you know, to get out there. And and because it's

44:49 Speaker 1: not the other thing too that I think some people

44:51 Speaker 1: miss is it's not just about being in front of audiences.

44:54 Speaker 1: It's also about making those connections. You know, you might

44:57 Speaker 1: go play to a room where the there's only a

45:00 Speaker 1: couple of people there, but one of those couple of

45:02 Speaker 1: people might also be a musician, and they might also

45:04 Speaker 1: they might be interested in what you're doing, or they

45:06 Speaker 1: might do something else in the scene, you know, and

45:08 Speaker 1: they want to connect with you. And so there's always opportunities,

45:11 Speaker 1: and you know, you miss all those opportunities if you

45:14 Speaker 1: don't take them.

45:15 Speaker 2: Yeah, and you you never know who's going to be

45:17 Speaker 2: in the crowd yep. I never like if there's a

45:20 Speaker 2: venue that reached. I always tried to play each place

45:23 Speaker 2: that reaches out to me, despite like maybe other judgments

45:29 Speaker 2: people have, like about the room or whatever. I always

45:31 Speaker 2: try to get my own opinion. I think everybody it

45:34 Speaker 2: deserves the benefit of the doubt, but it you just

45:39 Speaker 2: you never know who's going to be there. I actually

45:41 Speaker 2: this past summer I was playing at a Shopper's Pub

45:44 Speaker 2: in Manchester and God Smacks guitar tech and manager. We're

45:48 Speaker 2: eating dinner. I was playing and he ended up giving

45:51 Speaker 2: me VIP passes to go see the show and I'm

45:55 Speaker 2: just Shoppers Pub is so cool.

45:58 Speaker 1: Yeah, you just never know. You just never know. Well, Rebecca,

46:02 Speaker 1: thank you so much. Rebecca Turmel here with us in

46:05 Speaker 1: studio this morning. This has been wonderful. In a moment,

46:08 Speaker 1: we'll close out with the Road song. Anything we should

46:12 Speaker 1: know about this one before we play it, Rebecca.

46:14 Speaker 2: So this song, it's fitting we're ending on it, especially

46:17 Speaker 2: after everything we talked about. This is like my homage

46:20 Speaker 2: to all my other full time musicians out there.

46:23 Speaker 1: Oh cool.

46:23 Speaker 2: And this is a song that I wrote with Jim

46:25 Speaker 2: Yeger and probably the one I'm most proud of so far.

46:28 Speaker 2: We actually have Jackson Brown's guitarist Boul McCollum on this

46:31 Speaker 2: track vocal to Vermont and I said it just captured

46:35 Speaker 2: the essence of the road and he sure did so.

46:37 Speaker 1: Oh very cool, very cool, perfect way to end all

46:40 Speaker 1: right here. It is Rebecca Turmel. This is called the

46:42 Speaker 1: Road Song.