Sean McCarthy | Matt Connarton Unleashed

0:18 Speaker 1: Found Mary.

0:23 Speaker 2: She been gone all after the cemeteryly pleasing flowers in

0:32 Speaker 2: full blown lead in the grass, and then her mind.

0:37 Speaker 1: She went back to another triumph. Found Mary.

0:44 Speaker 3: We found Mallie.

0:48 Speaker 4: It was a moundane man died in the options.

0:55 Speaker 1: Cause my life, don't take my love.

1:08 Speaker 2: Found Mary going for a drive outside of town river Place.

1:14 Speaker 5: Where she sat down, tipped her head up to the sun,

1:20 Speaker 5: little two eyes to be with the one.

1:24 Speaker 1: A drop of rain felt.

1:26 Speaker 4: From her eye beneath the heaven of a clear blue sky.

1:31 Speaker 1: We found Mallie.

1:39 Speaker 4: It was a Monday, got in the rock.

1:43 Speaker 6: She was three.

1:46 Speaker 1: Lights. Don't take my love. So manyst together with our

1:57 Speaker 1: hospital lever.

2:00 Speaker 4: Sometimes Mary still ways down.

2:22 Speaker 1: Found Mary. She'd been gone all after her lift the cemetery.

2:33 Speaker 1: She's in flowers. It was a loud day.

2:40 Speaker 4: Died in a rocky lt don't take color.

2:51 Speaker 1: Sways together with the hartfor.

2:58 Speaker 4: Sometimes Mary, sometimes sometimes Marry.

3:09 Speaker 1: Sometimes Mary down.

3:20 Speaker 7: That has found Mary. And the artist is Sean McCarthy.

3:24 Speaker 7: And we've got Sean McCarthy joining us right now via

3:28 Speaker 7: Microsoft Team. Hello Sean, hey man, how are you good?

3:31 Speaker 1: Good?

3:32 Speaker 7: It has been a long time, my friend. When did

3:34 Speaker 7: I When did I interview you last. Do we even

3:37 Speaker 7: want to think about how long ago that was?

3:39 Speaker 8: We don't because then it starts to you know, you're

3:42 Speaker 8: right ray to tell everybody we're not twenty five. But

3:46 Speaker 8: it was a bit. I think I had just finished

3:48 Speaker 8: a recording a record in LA and yeah, yeah, that

3:53 Speaker 8: was a while ago.

3:53 Speaker 7: That was a while ago. Yeah, there's a little uh,

3:55 Speaker 7: there's a little speck of audio that shows up from that,

3:58 Speaker 7: uh in the in the documentary which I'm dying to

4:01 Speaker 7: talk to you about Resilience and Sacrifice? And when when

4:06 Speaker 7: did this come out? Or is this out yet? Officially?

4:09 Speaker 8: So it's officially out. It came out last year, so

4:13 Speaker 8: it was the the film festival release was early twenty

4:21 Speaker 8: twenty five, okay, and then the screenings in the theaters

4:25 Speaker 8: was spring summer, and then I guess spring and summer,

4:30 Speaker 8: and then it kind of officially came out around November

4:33 Speaker 8: of last year.

4:34 Speaker 7: Okay, okay? And can can you describe it for us?

4:37 Speaker 7: I mean, what, how do you for someone who hasn't

4:39 Speaker 7: seen it? Obviously I watched it, but for someone who

4:41 Speaker 7: hasn't seen it, how do you describe what this is

4:43 Speaker 7: about resilience and sacrifice?

4:45 Speaker 8: Well, there's a you know, there's an official you know

4:49 Speaker 8: write up about it. But the short version is it's

4:52 Speaker 8: about an artist who, well myself, who relentlessly for years,

5:03 Speaker 8: and you know, after missing the first three years of

5:07 Speaker 8: my daughter growing up because I was on the road,

5:10 Speaker 8: I just you know, it's kind of an awakening to

5:12 Speaker 8: realize what are the priorities in life right now? So

5:16 Speaker 8: so through that, you know, I made this decision to

5:21 Speaker 8: not quit music altogether, but but seriously put it on hold,

5:25 Speaker 8: and you know, no zero regrets with that. But then

5:29 Speaker 8: when when I decided I was gonna get back into it,

5:33 Speaker 8: kids had grown up, I had jump back in done

5:40 Speaker 8: some shows. And then it alludes to my getting what's

5:45 Speaker 8: called muscle tension dysphonia, which if you're a singer, that's

5:50 Speaker 8: that's one of the worst things that can happen to you.

5:52 Speaker 8: And it comes on with with no warning and and

5:56 Speaker 8: what it does is you you can't sing anymore. You

5:59 Speaker 8: can speak right and singing more. So it goes through

6:02 Speaker 8: that process a little. It's certainly not the entire focus

6:04 Speaker 8: of the film, but it's a big part of it.

6:08 Speaker 8: You know, A good note you know, came through that, yes,

6:12 Speaker 8: but it goes through it goes through my music career

6:17 Speaker 8: pretty in depth. Doesn't touch everything, you know, there are

6:19 Speaker 8: a lot of bands and projects I worked on that

6:21 Speaker 8: didn't make it, but it hits the highlights. You got

6:24 Speaker 8: to kind of cram it all into a you know,

6:26 Speaker 8: a ninety minute film. Yeah, it's easy to it's easy

6:29 Speaker 8: for us to tell our story in you know, three hours,

6:32 Speaker 8: But who's going to watch that?

6:34 Speaker 7: The muscle tension dysphonia is do I have that right? Dysphonia? Yes,

6:41 Speaker 7: that was particularly There's a number of elements here that

6:44 Speaker 7: I want to ask you about that we're interesting to me.

6:47 Speaker 7: That that part was interesting to me because not only obviously,

6:52 Speaker 7: like you said, if you're a singer, you know that's

6:55 Speaker 7: that's kind of your worst nightmare or something like that

6:57 Speaker 7: happening to you. But it was also interesting to me

6:59 Speaker 7: because I don't know, if you know a gentleman named

7:01 Speaker 7: Mike Lachlan. Do you know Mike?

7:03 Speaker 8: The name is very familiar.

7:04 Speaker 7: He's a singer songwriter from the Lakes region here in

7:08 Speaker 7: New Hampshire and he's a very close friend of mine

7:11 Speaker 7: and he's been on the show a million times and

7:13 Speaker 7: we've done some work together. But Mike also suffers from

7:18 Speaker 7: that now in his and he's talked about it on

7:21 Speaker 7: the show. His last couple of appearances on the show,

7:23 Speaker 7: he's talked about it and managing it. So when it

7:27 Speaker 7: gets to that point in the documentary, I already I

7:31 Speaker 7: was like, Oh, I know somebody else who has this,

7:33 Speaker 7: and so it was it was interesting to me, you know,

7:36 Speaker 7: because I've heard how how he's dealt with it and

7:40 Speaker 7: how you've dealt with it. Unfortunately, the way Mike has

7:42 Speaker 7: dealt with it. And I don't think he'll mind me

7:45 Speaker 7: saying this because you know, he talked about it openly

7:47 Speaker 7: on the show obviously, but he has not you know,

7:50 Speaker 7: maybe he needs to get connected with Liz Bills, who

7:54 Speaker 7: you talk to in the documentary about, you know, her

7:56 Speaker 7: struggles with it, because he he has chosen to just

7:59 Speaker 7: kind of deal with but you know, he manages it

8:01 Speaker 7: the best that he can. He doesn't he doesn't book

8:04 Speaker 7: too many shows consecutively, you know, to try to give

8:07 Speaker 7: himself a break. But he also said that whomever he

8:11 Speaker 7: spoke to about it professionally told him that you know,

8:14 Speaker 7: it tends to be and I want to get your

8:17 Speaker 7: perspective on this, that it tends to be more psychological

8:21 Speaker 7: than anything else. There might be something in his self conscious,

8:26 Speaker 7: subconscious rather that is causing him to experience this dysphonia

8:32 Speaker 7: where he has difficulty with his vocal cords. He's still

8:35 Speaker 7: able to perform, and he can go out and do

8:37 Speaker 7: a three hour show. He just can't do too many.

8:39 Speaker 7: But he's been struggling with it for probably five years now.

8:44 Speaker 7: Maybe that's yeah, go ahead, I.

8:47 Speaker 8: Will say that in my experience, it is. It is

8:50 Speaker 8: one hundred percent psychological or neurological, Okay, because when when

8:56 Speaker 8: it when it happened to me, it happened in a

9:00 Speaker 8: single rehearsal really with my band. I was warmed up,

9:05 Speaker 8: just like a normally do plant hydrated, and then all

9:07 Speaker 8: of a sudden we were doing a song and I'm

9:09 Speaker 8: just singing, well, I may have been sharing leads in

9:12 Speaker 8: that a particular song and kind of opened my mouth

9:15 Speaker 8: and everything was dry and and and you can't like

9:20 Speaker 8: form vowels, consonants. It's just in an instant, it just

9:24 Speaker 8: took over. So it is it is something that's in

9:28 Speaker 8: your your psyche that you can't pinpoint what it is.

9:34 Speaker 8: You may never know what it is. But I was

9:38 Speaker 8: I've been a singer my entire life, and and thousands

9:42 Speaker 8: of shows and night after night after night, and one

9:46 Speaker 8: of those things where you never even need to warm

9:49 Speaker 8: up because you're just always singing. Uh, never ever had

9:52 Speaker 8: a problem. And then when this came on, it was,

9:55 Speaker 8: that's that's the that's the cause, right, But you don't

9:59 Speaker 8: know what the specific cause is because it can go

10:02 Speaker 8: back a long time. It's it's kind of your your

10:04 Speaker 8: brain is just going, it's great that you have all

10:07 Speaker 8: these plans, but you haven't dealt with some things. And

10:09 Speaker 8: we're not going to tell you. I'm not gonna tell

10:10 Speaker 8: you what you have to deal with, but instead I'm

10:13 Speaker 8: just going to stop you in your tracks. It's you know,

10:16 Speaker 8: I want to equate it to you know, people having

10:18 Speaker 8: heart attacks or something the same kind of thing. Usually

10:21 Speaker 8: you get some warning with that, or you know you're

10:23 Speaker 8: eating terrible or whatever. Sure, but with with mt D,

10:27 Speaker 8: you don't know exactly what the cause is. But but

10:32 Speaker 8: it is important to deal with somebody and and bring

10:35 Speaker 8: somebody in that has experienced it. Liz Liz Bill's was

10:40 Speaker 8: a singer, is a singer, but she was in the

10:43 Speaker 8: band New England band. I think they were I'm pretty

10:48 Speaker 8: sure at Massachusetts band they were called Analog Heart, and

10:52 Speaker 8: they were I actually discovered them after working with Liz.

10:56 Speaker 8: This band was was phenomenal, very you know, she's listening,

11:01 Speaker 8: I don't know, but very paramour ish, but with more

11:04 Speaker 8: of an edge. Just this this girl could sing her

11:06 Speaker 8: butt off. And they they had released some records, they

11:10 Speaker 8: had opened for bon Jovi. I think at Mohegan they

11:14 Speaker 8: had done some great things. And and the way she

11:17 Speaker 8: told it to me it was a little different. She

11:20 Speaker 8: just she had pain and and she was struggling, and

11:23 Speaker 8: she she just kept pushing through and pushing through, and

11:26 Speaker 8: she had had worked through it all herself. And I

11:30 Speaker 8: found her online and she she had these this hour

11:35 Speaker 8: long daily routine and I was just like, oh my god,

11:37 Speaker 8: you've got to be kidding me. I just don't have

11:39 Speaker 8: that kind of patience. But it takes that kind of patience.

11:43 Speaker 8: I so so Liz and I. I currently don't work

11:46 Speaker 8: with Liz now, but I did for two solid years.

11:49 Speaker 8: We met every week and prior to that, Mark Baxter

11:53 Speaker 8: and Mark Mark is a phenomenal coach. He Steven Tyler's coach,

11:59 Speaker 8: Johnny Just the list goes on with who Mark works

12:02 Speaker 8: with and has worked with. But I needed somebody that

12:06 Speaker 8: had experienced this, and Liz is the person that experienced it.

12:09 Speaker 8: So yes, I would highly recommend that he reached out

12:11 Speaker 8: to her. She is, she's fantastic, she's wonderful. She if

12:16 Speaker 8: you hear her sing now you you would just never

12:18 Speaker 8: know she experienced any of that. But you it requires

12:24 Speaker 8: I think a lot of us from a certain era work,

12:27 Speaker 8: you know, power singers, sure, meaning we may not have

12:30 Speaker 8: done the right techniques. And and I think Liz had

12:34 Speaker 8: said to me once she goes, it's like, you know,

12:36 Speaker 8: you're you lift things a certain way, you always you

12:39 Speaker 8: lift things, you lift things, and one day your back goes.

12:42 Speaker 8: You can't do that anymore. You have to do it differently,

12:45 Speaker 8: And and that happens. I mean, you know, Liz, Liz

12:48 Speaker 8: is not old. That she was was not old when

12:50 Speaker 8: she got mt D had nothing to do with that,

12:52 Speaker 8: but it was you have to retrain your voice completely

12:58 Speaker 8: to use complete upper technique. You have to you have

13:02 Speaker 8: to really take care of it and accept baby steps

13:04 Speaker 8: because you know, when you break an arm or something,

13:08 Speaker 8: it happens in a second, takes six weeks to heal, right,

13:10 Speaker 8: with with something neurological that affects your voice. There's there's

13:16 Speaker 8: a lot of time into You've got to be able

13:17 Speaker 8: to be willing to put the time in. R it is.

13:22 Speaker 8: It is humbling, it is frustrating.

13:25 Speaker 9: You know.

13:26 Speaker 8: My I played a couple of shows like that after

13:30 Speaker 8: I knew it was coming on, and I had played

13:32 Speaker 8: a show at a venue, and you know, and I'll

13:34 Speaker 8: be frank about this, this is not something you'd normally admit,

13:37 Speaker 8: but I'd played this venue and I remember somebody it was.

13:44 Speaker 8: It was across the street from from a concert venue,

13:48 Speaker 8: and the crew was all over there, like on break

13:50 Speaker 8: and I played a show there and I remember some

13:53 Speaker 8: of the guys coming up and going, what are you

13:55 Speaker 8: even doing here? Like why are you playing this little venue?

13:59 Speaker 8: You should be playing here. So that's always nice to get.

14:02 Speaker 8: But my point is, so then I played that same

14:06 Speaker 8: venue the next summer after this happened, because this happened

14:10 Speaker 8: in the in the fall of that year. So I

14:12 Speaker 8: come back a year later to the same venue and

14:16 Speaker 8: I was like full blown MTD. And what that means

14:19 Speaker 8: is my attention is good. But I opened my mouth

14:21 Speaker 8: and the vowels and consonants don't connect. There's such a

14:26 Speaker 8: disconnect with everything. It doesn't sound good. And my agent

14:32 Speaker 8: called me, texted me the next day and said, so

14:37 Speaker 8: the venue owner wants to cancel your shows and replace you.

14:40 Speaker 8: Oh god, I literally it went from phenomenal, good show,

14:47 Speaker 8: you know, to the venue owner doesn't want you back.

14:50 Speaker 8: And in my entire career that had never happened to me.

14:56 Speaker 7: And then was was that kind of a turning point

14:59 Speaker 7: in terms of how you how you decided to deal

15:01 Speaker 7: with the problem or.

15:03 Speaker 8: Well, at that point I still didn't know. I still

15:06 Speaker 8: didn't understand what was going on. Yeah. So then I

15:10 Speaker 8: I played another venue and he called me. I remember

15:13 Speaker 8: I was going I was like a band rehearsal something.

15:15 Speaker 8: I was in Rhode Island and I did this show

15:18 Speaker 8: and he goes, hey, I got another call. I mean

15:21 Speaker 8: what and he goes, yeah, he goes, but this time

15:23 Speaker 8: I asked him, I said, what is it? And so

15:27 Speaker 8: the venue owner said, you know, we love Sean. He's

15:29 Speaker 8: been here, he's done great for us. His guitar playing

15:31 Speaker 8: is great. He goes, it's something about his voice. And

15:33 Speaker 8: then and then I kind of came clean to my

15:36 Speaker 8: agent and and he's he's amazing, and he said to me.

15:42 Speaker 8: He goes, Okay, listen. He said, okay, listen, we're gonna

15:49 Speaker 8: you tell me what you want to do with your

15:50 Speaker 8: next shows. He goes, I'm not going to say a

15:52 Speaker 8: word about this. Whatever you do, I'll come up with

15:54 Speaker 8: an excuse. He goes, whatever you got to do. But

15:57 Speaker 8: I didn't know what the problem was at the time.

15:59 Speaker 8: I just kind of cleaned to him and said, look,

16:01 Speaker 8: there's something going on. I don't know. So it was

16:08 Speaker 8: it was shortly after that I just started researching and

16:11 Speaker 8: I went to a near nose throat doctor up in

16:14 Speaker 8: northern New Hampshire. And you know it was it was

16:18 Speaker 8: during the time when everybody was afraid of breathing, everybody's anything.

16:23 Speaker 8: And so she comes in the room with like full

16:26 Speaker 8: mask gear on right scopes my throat and she goes,

16:29 Speaker 8: you you have acid reflux and that's what she told me.

16:32 Speaker 8: I went, no, that's that's not what this is. Right.

16:37 Speaker 8: So she goes, but you're welcome to get a second opinion,

16:40 Speaker 8: and where do I do that? And she goes mass general.

16:43 Speaker 8: So I went okay, because and it was like and

16:46 Speaker 8: she was kind of I think she was being facetious

16:49 Speaker 8: because they're the best. Master General's Voice Center is the best,

16:53 Speaker 8: hands down. So I went, Okay, So I get home

16:56 Speaker 8: and I call Mass General and you know, speed that up.

17:00 Speaker 8: I went down. They said, you don't have acid reflex,

17:03 Speaker 8: you have this and we can help you. So I

17:07 Speaker 8: was there every for a few months. I drove from

17:09 Speaker 8: Vermont to Boston for for some therapy at the Mass

17:19 Speaker 8: General and we had some good breakthroughs, kind of broke

17:22 Speaker 8: the ice. And then I started working with Liz. Found

17:26 Speaker 8: out she had been to the same Voice center, we

17:28 Speaker 8: had the same therapists. Okay, so it all really helped.

17:32 Speaker 8: But it was it was it was very It was

17:36 Speaker 8: very humbling. It's still very humbling too. I always knew

17:40 Speaker 8: how fragile the vocal. You know, people call them vocal cords,

17:45 Speaker 8: the are chords, but they're called vocal folds. And if

17:47 Speaker 8: you haven't ever seen your vocal folds, everybody should take

17:51 Speaker 8: a trip to an ear, nos and throat specialist that

17:54 Speaker 8: can take a picture or a bet or better yet,

17:56 Speaker 8: take video of you while you sing right and people say,

17:59 Speaker 8: well how do you do that? They scope you through

18:01 Speaker 8: your nose and they have you sing. It's the strangest

18:03 Speaker 8: thing ever doesn't hurt. But when you see how fragile

18:07 Speaker 8: those things are, you you just want to put a big,

18:10 Speaker 8: you know, case around your throat and take care of it,

18:14 Speaker 8: and then you don't question why you wrap it up

18:16 Speaker 8: with a scarf and the winner it's it's it's kind

18:21 Speaker 8: of a scary thing. So so so back to you know,

18:24 Speaker 8: you know the other guy who you're saying has this. Yeah,

18:26 Speaker 8: if Liz, Liz is phenomenal, I highly recommend her. There

18:31 Speaker 8: are probably some others, but she specializes in it. Yeah,

18:35 Speaker 8: and she could get him on the right track. And

18:36 Speaker 8: if he's willing to do the work, it it it's

18:40 Speaker 8: so worth it. Yeah, But because it's it's a mind

18:43 Speaker 8: game itself, you know, taking away what you've done your

18:46 Speaker 8: whole life with ease that you all of a sudden

18:49 Speaker 8: can't do.

18:50 Speaker 7: In his case, he described that he never learned to

18:53 Speaker 7: sing properly, so he doesn't sing from his chest. He

18:56 Speaker 7: just sings from his throat. That's how he's always done it.

18:59 Speaker 7: And I guess the professional who he spoke with told

19:04 Speaker 7: him that because he's a throat singer, that might be

19:08 Speaker 7: why he's gotten away with this problem as long as

19:11 Speaker 7: he has, because I guess this problem has been plaguing

19:13 Speaker 7: him for a while, but he kind of, you know,

19:14 Speaker 7: he's just been working around it. And I guess because

19:16 Speaker 7: he's a throat singer, that's how he's been able to

19:18 Speaker 7: work around it. To some I forget exactly how he

19:20 Speaker 7: explained it, but no, very very interesting. Now where are

19:24 Speaker 7: you with all of that? Now? Is this something that

19:26 Speaker 7: you have to continue to manage or do you just

19:29 Speaker 7: take better care of your throat but otherwise you're good?

19:32 Speaker 8: Well, that's the thing. Doesn't matter how much you take

19:35 Speaker 8: care of your throat, that's not really it. It's like

19:38 Speaker 8: going to the gym. Now. I hate working out. I

19:41 Speaker 8: hate working out more than probably anybody you've ever met.

19:45 Speaker 8: But I work out every day, and not to build muscle,

19:50 Speaker 8: just to stay in shape, to stay toned. And you

19:53 Speaker 8: have to do the same thing with your voice. There

19:55 Speaker 8: are certain exercises, very strange ones that you probably don't

20:00 Speaker 8: want to do it in front of strangers or much.

20:03 Speaker 8: I try not to do them in front of my family.

20:05 Speaker 8: But there are things you hold your tongue and you

20:07 Speaker 8: make weird sounds. You know, it's about It's about doing

20:11 Speaker 8: the certain exercises regularly that just keep your voice in

20:16 Speaker 8: shape and don't let it fall back there. But the

20:19 Speaker 8: other thing is you have to deal with the psychological

20:22 Speaker 8: aspect of it. That is important because you can keep refilling,

20:30 Speaker 8: you know, a bucket that has a hole in it,

20:33 Speaker 8: right because in the sense, that's what you're doing. If

20:36 Speaker 8: you don't deal with the psychological aspect or neurological aspect

20:40 Speaker 8: of it, you're refilling a bucket that has a hole

20:42 Speaker 8: in it. Every day you have to refill that bucket.

20:44 Speaker 8: And it's good for us, say twenty four hours. At

20:46 Speaker 8: the end of the day, it's going to empty. You've

20:48 Speaker 8: got to fill the hole. And I'm not a big

20:52 Speaker 8: fan of talk therapy. I don't like to share things

20:55 Speaker 8: with strangers. I think that is ridiculous. Don't get me wrong.

20:59 Speaker 8: I know it's great for some people. It's just not

21:01 Speaker 8: great for me. I have a trust issue.

21:03 Speaker 7: I think I can I can relate one what you just.

21:06 Speaker 8: Said, you know. But and then there are there are

21:08 Speaker 8: therapists out there, there are wonderful you know, cut props

21:11 Speaker 8: to them for doing it. I feel, you know, I'm

21:14 Speaker 8: the type of person that thinks about a therapist and goes, oh, wow,

21:17 Speaker 8: how many hours a week do you have to go

21:18 Speaker 8: to a therapy or deal with it? You dealt with

21:21 Speaker 8: every week? Like therapists are amazing. Yes, yes, but it's

21:24 Speaker 8: not my thing. And I also don't have the patience.

21:27 Speaker 8: So I have another friend who had had gone to

21:33 Speaker 8: see an em DR therapist. It's eye movement, the sensitization

21:40 Speaker 8: and reprocessing. Sorry as long so e m DRS for sure,

21:44 Speaker 8: and what that is. So he had told me. I

21:47 Speaker 8: knew him. He told me about this and he said

21:49 Speaker 8: I was I was like crazy, suicidal and that was

21:52 Speaker 8: just not me. I don't know what happened. He goes,

21:54 Speaker 8: So I went, somebody told me about this this therapist.

21:57 Speaker 8: I went, she saved my life. I could. I don't

22:01 Speaker 8: even know what it was. And I said, well, he

22:03 Speaker 8: explained it to me. And I said, well, how long

22:05 Speaker 8: did it take you? Because I saw her I don't

22:06 Speaker 8: know six or eight times, so six or eight hours

22:09 Speaker 8: and done. And I was like, well, maybe this can

22:12 Speaker 8: help me. I wasn't suicidal, but it was also about

22:17 Speaker 8: you're dealing with something neurological, and he said, you don't

22:19 Speaker 8: have to talk about anything. So so I saw an

22:22 Speaker 8: md R. Therapist. We hit it off, meaning I was

22:26 Speaker 8: very comfortable with her. And she said to me when

22:31 Speaker 8: I was on the phone talking to her initially she said,

22:34 Speaker 8: there is no guarantee that this will work. She said,

22:36 Speaker 8: but I will tell you I have done nothing but

22:37 Speaker 8: this for the last four or five years. She goes,

22:39 Speaker 8: and it has worked for one hundred percent of my patients.

22:42 Speaker 7: Wow.

22:42 Speaker 8: So I was like, oh, I know, guarantees, but pretty

22:46 Speaker 8: good those odds.

22:47 Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah.

22:48 Speaker 8: So, and what it does is where talk therapy, you

22:54 Speaker 8: sit down and go tell me about your childhood. You know,

22:57 Speaker 8: you got to start way back there and you just

23:00 Speaker 8: see this last thing forever.

23:01 Speaker 7: Let's talk about your mother backwards.

23:03 Speaker 8: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Like, well my mom did this.

23:08 Speaker 8: But with the m d R, you you you you talk,

23:12 Speaker 8: you literally focus on So so when with the m

23:16 Speaker 8: d R, you're uh, you get up to a microphone,

23:19 Speaker 8: for instance, like it only happens when you sing. That's

23:21 Speaker 8: the strange thing, right, But if if in the case,

23:24 Speaker 8: you get up to a microphone and you go, all right,

23:25 Speaker 8: I opened my mouth and then right then, what are

23:27 Speaker 8: you thinking? What is on your mind in that exact moment,

23:30 Speaker 8: So you focus on that, uh, you focus on being

23:33 Speaker 8: in the moment exactly how it makes you feel. And

23:36 Speaker 8: then it's bilateral stimulation. Usually it's like with a light,

23:39 Speaker 8: your eyes follow it back and forth, almost hypnotic but not.

23:43 Speaker 7: Yeah.

23:43 Speaker 8: Yeah, And if you if you just at that point

23:47 Speaker 8: don't think of anything else, then your brain takes you

23:52 Speaker 8: backwards through all these memories yeah that are that are

23:57 Speaker 8: somehow connected. It doesn't make any sense, but you will

24:02 Speaker 8: have You will remember things that you didn't even know

24:06 Speaker 8: you remembered. So what that really is is your brain connecting.

24:11 Speaker 8: It's reconnecting all of the things that somehow got disconnected.

24:15 Speaker 8: And and the therapist just tries to touch on certain

24:18 Speaker 8: things that pertain to how you feel when your voice

24:22 Speaker 8: doesn't work, and you know, it's trauma response, right, That's

24:27 Speaker 8: really what it is. So something traumatic happened to cause

24:31 Speaker 8: muscle tension dysphonia, So that that was was a huge

24:40 Speaker 8: additional support for me. It also brings to light a

24:44 Speaker 8: lot of other things, you know, so it's you're always

24:47 Speaker 8: a work in progress. But for me, it just required

24:50 Speaker 8: completely retraining my voice, Like I don't sing anything like

24:55 Speaker 8: I used to sing. Really, you know you were talking

24:58 Speaker 8: about his voice being like of a throat singer. Like,

25:01 Speaker 8: the truth is all of our the air comes up

25:03 Speaker 8: through our vocal folds, right, but then and how close

25:08 Speaker 8: together you know how they are. But the actual sounds

25:11 Speaker 8: that come out come out of your mouth, right, So

25:15 Speaker 8: what you do with your lips and your your tongue

25:18 Speaker 8: and your teeth and like, that's where the sound comes out.

25:23 Speaker 8: Like it there's a there's a there's a sound that

25:26 Speaker 8: comes up through your vocal folds. But what the end

25:29 Speaker 8: result is is all about what you do with your

25:31 Speaker 8: face and your mouth, right, So without being a trained singer,

25:38 Speaker 8: we all just we just naturally do it. You know,

25:41 Speaker 8: a toddler makes sounds, right, they're very natural, it's all

25:46 Speaker 8: when if we could all go back to being toddlers,

25:49 Speaker 8: you know, this would all be fixed because it was

25:51 Speaker 8: so natural. You know, you dance well nobody's looking, or

25:54 Speaker 8: you don't care if anybody sees you. It's so natural

25:57 Speaker 8: to sing and make all these weird sounds. And if

26:00 Speaker 8: we could get back to that as singers, or at

26:02 Speaker 8: least that portion of it, we'd all be in a

26:05 Speaker 8: better place. We're doing things proper because it's natural, but

26:08 Speaker 8: it becomes very unnatural over the years. And you know,

26:10 Speaker 8: things we'd go through in life compound and then one

26:14 Speaker 8: day your brain shuts off. So even though you can

26:18 Speaker 8: fix the physical aspect of that through daily you know,

26:22 Speaker 8: routines and things like that, your brain is still holding

26:26 Speaker 8: on and you have to get your brain to let

26:28 Speaker 8: go and be comfortable again and accept that, Okay, this

26:30 Speaker 8: is a safe this is safe to do again. It

26:34 Speaker 8: takes a lot of undoing, and it is again, I'm

26:37 Speaker 8: the least patient person in the world. But so where

26:42 Speaker 8: am I? Where am I with it now? I still

26:44 Speaker 8: put in the work. There are still things I work on.

26:48 Speaker 8: Songs that I even my own songs that I've sung

26:50 Speaker 8: for years, I had to have to sing them differently. Yeah,

26:55 Speaker 8: you have to erase the muscle memory and the neurological memory.

26:58 Speaker 8: I have to trick your brain to go because it

27:01 Speaker 8: wants to go back to the way it was and

27:04 Speaker 8: you can't do that anymore. So anyway, that's a lot

27:08 Speaker 8: on the MTD subject, but but it is. It's an

27:11 Speaker 8: important thing because I think a lot of people don't

27:13 Speaker 8: know that a lot of people are not diagnosed, right,

27:17 Speaker 8: I just don't know what happened. So by all means,

27:20 Speaker 8: if you if you are a singer or even not

27:23 Speaker 8: a singer and you have voice issues like that, like

27:27 Speaker 8: go see in Arno's throat specialist. Even the you know,

27:31 Speaker 8: any any one of them are at least gonna look

27:34 Speaker 8: at your throat, make sure your vocal cords are good.

27:36 Speaker 8: And then if you find out that that is kind

27:37 Speaker 8: of a thing, you have look it up, like there's

27:39 Speaker 8: so much online look up. Liz Bill's very simple. I

27:42 Speaker 8: love her name because it's so simple, and she has

27:46 Speaker 8: countless videos and she's she I believe she only works

27:50 Speaker 8: with vocalists who have MTD because there there's a lot

27:55 Speaker 8: of coaches out there, but she specializes in that. But

28:00 Speaker 8: you know she can she uh, she helped save my

28:05 Speaker 8: career and I can say that with.

28:08 Speaker 7: Confidence, absolutely absolutely, No, thank you for sharing all that, Sean.

28:12 Speaker 7: It's such a you know, and it kind of expands

28:14 Speaker 7: a bit on on what's in the documentary. And No,

28:17 Speaker 7: I appreciate you talking about that because there might be

28:19 Speaker 7: somebody listening to who who does experience that problem, or

28:22 Speaker 7: has experienced it, or may experience it in the future.

28:25 Speaker 7: You know a lot of musicians listen to the show,

28:27 Speaker 7: especially so so thank you for talking to us. About that.

28:32 Speaker 7: Another thing about the UH and I should say, if

28:34 Speaker 7: you're just joining us, we have Sean McCarthy with us,

28:36 Speaker 7: and we're talking about his new documentary Resilience and Sacrifice.

28:41 Speaker 7: And another thing that really jumped out at me about

28:47 Speaker 7: the documentary is, well, let me ask the question this way.

28:52 Speaker 7: Have you always been right from the beginning, right from

28:55 Speaker 7: the beginning of your career, which obviously started when you

28:57 Speaker 7: were still in school, have you always been meticulous about

29:02 Speaker 7: documenting things and making sure that you had audio and

29:06 Speaker 7: video of things from the beginning, Because I something that

29:11 Speaker 7: I just marveled at was I was just thinking, like,

29:13 Speaker 7: if I wanted to make a documentary like this about myself,

29:17 Speaker 7: I wouldn't be Not that I would, but would I

29:19 Speaker 7: wouldn't be able to do it anyway because I don't

29:21 Speaker 7: have you know, I played in some bands and whatnot,

29:23 Speaker 7: but I don't have video of you know, early performances

29:27 Speaker 7: or anything like that. Blake, have you always been meticulous

29:31 Speaker 7: about documenting everything?

29:35 Speaker 8: No, So this project started, I thought initially, I said,

29:40 Speaker 8: you know, it would be really cool. So I spoke

29:43 Speaker 8: to a friend and I said, what would be really?

29:47 Speaker 8: I said, I want to do a twenty five or

29:50 Speaker 8: thirty minute video scrapbook of stuff I've done in music.

29:53 Speaker 8: I said, I've come across a couple of videos and

29:56 Speaker 8: I have, you know, some record. I just want to

30:01 Speaker 8: put something together. I think it would be cool to

30:02 Speaker 8: have for my kids and you know whatever, just something.

30:05 Speaker 8: And he said to me, and actually it was Matt

30:08 Speaker 8: Dido or our mutual friend. Yeah, yeah, and so so

30:12 Speaker 8: I said that to him on a phone call. We

30:13 Speaker 8: kind of started out the phone call that way, and

30:15 Speaker 8: he goes, oh, yeah, yeah, kind of like sounds great.

30:17 Speaker 8: And he goes, oh, listen, I'll call you back a

30:18 Speaker 8: little bit. Click, and he just he just let me go. Yeah,

30:22 Speaker 8: it's weird. Five minutes later, I get a call from

30:25 Speaker 8: Matt and Matt's and my mutual friend in La who's

30:28 Speaker 8: a filmmaker, and he goes, hey, what's up. I said,

30:32 Speaker 8: I don't know what's up? And he goes, well, I

30:34 Speaker 8: don't just told me to call you.

30:36 Speaker 10: I was like, oh, so, so Tommy Durant is a

30:43 Speaker 10: is a filmmaker, Emmy Award winning in his work.

30:46 Speaker 8: So if you saw shows like I Show Truckers, Dellie's Catch,

30:51 Speaker 8: Dan Rather, Interviews, and so so much more, he is

30:54 Speaker 8: the has been the supervising editor and of those producer

30:59 Speaker 8: worked on a whole bunch of things. So anyway, I

31:04 Speaker 8: I knew I had a lot of stuff I had.

31:07 Speaker 8: It's funny I used what I had creatively and it

31:10 Speaker 8: probably looked like I had a lot more than I had. Okay,

31:14 Speaker 8: So but I'm not meticulous, I other than my wife,

31:19 Speaker 8: you know, hating the fact that I hold on to

31:21 Speaker 8: every cassette recording that I've ever made. Yeah, and she's like,

31:25 Speaker 8: you know, I move this box around and She's like,

31:27 Speaker 8: can we get rid of that? And I'm like, no,

31:31 Speaker 8: so it I don't. I don't. I don't usually keep

31:36 Speaker 8: all that Oh I have that stuff. Everybody has a

31:39 Speaker 8: scrap book of things, features and things.

31:41 Speaker 7: You got to keep some sort of an archive. Yeah.

31:43 Speaker 8: So the funny thing was there was one. So no,

31:46 Speaker 8: I don't have a lot. I have a good amount

31:48 Speaker 8: I did. I couldn't imagine that this was ever going

31:51 Speaker 8: to turn into a full fledged, you know, documentary film, right,

31:55 Speaker 8: but there was one thing I wanted so right, you

31:58 Speaker 8: had sent me like the nice is you record these interviews? Right,

32:01 Speaker 8: So I and you sent that to me and I went,

32:03 Speaker 8: I know, I have this somewhere and I listened to

32:06 Speaker 8: them and I wanted to include so much more, But

32:08 Speaker 8: then I decided to look, let's just put in like

32:10 Speaker 8: some some radio introductions and things here and then and

32:16 Speaker 8: then I had found one that really fit what I

32:18 Speaker 8: wanted to do. But there was one clip that I said,

32:22 Speaker 8: this is so important because in the duo Johnny whatever

32:26 Speaker 8: I was in, which we were at the time on

32:29 Speaker 8: the cusp of some really great things, and we had

32:32 Speaker 8: played so much. It was a unique thing. It was.

32:36 Speaker 8: We had a song on the radio all over the

32:38 Speaker 8: place and then Kissed one to wait in Boston picked

32:41 Speaker 8: it up one night and we were like, what, but

32:44 Speaker 8: they I don't They called me. They called me up

32:48 Speaker 8: and said, hey, is this Sean And I went yeah,

32:51 Speaker 8: and they said, well, we we have your the song

32:53 Speaker 8: Goodbye in front of us and we're about to put

32:55 Speaker 8: it on our new new music Spotlight. I went, what, like,

32:58 Speaker 8: this is a if you're a musician. At that time,

33:02 Speaker 8: Kiss went away in Boston. Keep in mind there's no

33:05 Speaker 8: streaming services. This is big in New England. So they said,

33:09 Speaker 8: we don't normally call the artist because for instance, last

33:13 Speaker 8: night was you know, some other huge artist and tomorrow

33:16 Speaker 8: is this other huge artist. He goes, But I just

33:18 Speaker 8: thought i'd let you know. So I was like, all right,

33:20 Speaker 8: So I grabbed some boombox and I record it nice.

33:23 Speaker 8: So I have this cassette, right, Well, I do the

33:27 Speaker 8: documentary and I'm done. I'm basically done with it. And

33:31 Speaker 8: it's been a year, every single day working on it,

33:34 Speaker 8: and I've been looking for this tape everywhere and I

33:36 Speaker 8: cannot find it. And I know I have it. I

33:39 Speaker 8: even know what it looks like. But so I and

33:44 Speaker 8: I said, well, I guess it's not meant to be.

33:47 Speaker 8: I thought it was important in the film, but I went,

33:50 Speaker 8: I guess not. And then one day my wife comes

33:53 Speaker 8: to me and she goes, I'm going to need like

33:55 Speaker 8: five thousand dollars. I mean, what, what do you need

33:58 Speaker 8: five thousand dollars for her? She goes, because look what

34:00 Speaker 8: I found. And I jumped back into the editing of

34:04 Speaker 8: the film, and I was like ecstatic because that was

34:08 Speaker 8: that was a key moment. But I don't know, I

34:11 Speaker 8: think the story is important, right, Like everybody goes, I

34:15 Speaker 8: don't have I don't have all this you know, footage

34:19 Speaker 8: or pictures because none of us carried video cameras around

34:22 Speaker 8: that was for like the big bands forward that stuff.

34:26 Speaker 8: But I will say right now, I'll preface this and say,

34:29 Speaker 8: if you're in a band, if you're a solo artist,

34:31 Speaker 8: I don't care what you do. You're doing it because

34:33 Speaker 8: you love it. So who knows what you're gonna do

34:35 Speaker 8: with it later? Who knows if you're not going to

34:36 Speaker 8: do anything. Who knows if you're going to want to

34:38 Speaker 8: do a twenty five or thirty minute you know, scrap

34:40 Speaker 8: book right right? Like document just document it, get people

34:44 Speaker 8: to do it, and get it people to send it

34:46 Speaker 8: to you, put a date on it, throw it in

34:47 Speaker 8: a folder, and forget about it.

34:49 Speaker 7: And there's no excuse not to No Sarah.

34:52 Speaker 8: Bring yes, like, just just record it, because even if

34:56 Speaker 8: you don't do something with it, it's amazing to look

34:59 Speaker 8: back and see what you done, right, So so do it.

35:01 Speaker 8: Take pictures and and even if you don't look at

35:04 Speaker 8: them all now, just just put them somewhere. That that

35:08 Speaker 8: is that is kind of the biggest thing ever. But

35:14 Speaker 8: I kind of forget out my train of thought. But no,

35:16 Speaker 8: I didn't have all that, and I found a lot,

35:21 Speaker 8: but I also had I think there's sixteen people in

35:25 Speaker 8: this film with me or along with me. So I

35:29 Speaker 8: knew I had to fill space, and I went, why

35:32 Speaker 8: don't you, you know, tell me about working with me,

35:35 Speaker 8: tell me about your memories of me. And they were

35:38 Speaker 8: so wonderful, you know, people, I was I half expected

35:45 Speaker 8: somebody to say, man, Sean mcarnethy, that man, that I

35:47 Speaker 8: was a jerk. And and it's so nice that whether

35:51 Speaker 8: they felt that way or not, they only told the

35:53 Speaker 8: good stuff, right right, So that's true, but it was nice.

35:58 Speaker 8: And but the one thing I will say a lot

35:59 Speaker 8: of people, a lot of people will put out things

36:04 Speaker 8: and they say, you know, we we all name drop.

36:07 Speaker 8: We all have name drop stories where we say, oh,

36:09 Speaker 8: we worked with so and so or did this or

36:11 Speaker 8: did this. But one thing you realize quickly when you

36:14 Speaker 8: know people are going to watch things, if you don't

36:17 Speaker 8: have the receipts, oh yeah, don't even say it, whether

36:20 Speaker 8: it's true, whether it's not true, whatever. If you don't

36:22 Speaker 8: have receipts to back it up, You're people are gonna

36:25 Speaker 8: check out of your film really fast, you know, because

36:29 Speaker 8: I've seen something, Oh yeah, I was working with so

36:31 Speaker 8: and so back in you know, ninety whatever, and and

36:34 Speaker 8: and then you expect to see something showing that more

36:37 Speaker 8: than maybe a picture. If you don't have that picture

36:42 Speaker 8: or the video or or that person about to speak,

36:45 Speaker 8: don't put it in because it's it's the music industry

36:49 Speaker 8: is full of people telling stories and and and a

36:54 Speaker 8: lot of people do that to help boost them up

36:56 Speaker 8: a little long, of course, and it's it, you know,

36:59 Speaker 8: is fine. I guess it's fine.

37:01 Speaker 7: I mean everyone everyone puffs up their resume a little bit.

37:04 Speaker 8: Yeah, well if you don't, who's going to write? And

37:06 Speaker 8: initially you have to make yourself look better than maybe

37:09 Speaker 8: you are. But here's the difference. The people that succeed

37:14 Speaker 8: are the people that throw some promise up in the

37:18 Speaker 8: air and then go turn around to your band and go, hey, guys,

37:23 Speaker 8: I'm really sorry. This is what I just told them

37:24 Speaker 8: we do and they're like what. So then you get

37:27 Speaker 8: So here's the successful people. They rise to the occasion

37:30 Speaker 8: and at the end of the show, the buyer of

37:33 Speaker 8: the show just goes, man, you've delivered way more than

37:36 Speaker 8: you promised. And you and in your back of your mind,

37:38 Speaker 8: you're going, I can't even believe I delivered what I promised,

37:41 Speaker 8: right right, But because that's it, and I don't. I

37:47 Speaker 8: don't over promise, but I always over deliver, right, But

37:53 Speaker 8: the key is back to the receipts, Like like, if

37:55 Speaker 8: you're gonna put something together, I don't care if it's

37:57 Speaker 8: a five minute clip of you eat, because then that's credibility,

38:02 Speaker 8: you know. And in this film, I made sure you know, Tommy,

38:05 Speaker 8: my co producer on this, was very adamant about that

38:08 Speaker 8: and that and I got it. Yeah. So when I

38:13 Speaker 8: there are things I wished I had, back to your

38:14 Speaker 8: original question about do I have this, you know, I

38:18 Speaker 8: don't know back catalog of stuff and I store everything. No,

38:21 Speaker 8: So I had a lot of I had so many

38:23 Speaker 8: really great stories and actual experiences, but I couldn't back

38:28 Speaker 8: them up with anything. So they didn't make it, you know,

38:31 Speaker 8: because that's that's just the way it is.

38:34 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, no, but you know you handle it the

38:37 Speaker 7: right way. And yeah, you're right. I mean it's in

38:39 Speaker 7: the era that we live and it's very easy to

38:41 Speaker 7: for people to verify things and fact check and all

38:45 Speaker 7: of that. You're you're you're right. So I mean, how

38:50 Speaker 7: long did this take? Because again I would imagine and

38:54 Speaker 7: I've I've interviewed other people on the show over the

38:57 Speaker 7: years who've made documentaries, and it sounds like it's a

39:01 Speaker 7: pretty involved process that takes. I mean, I'm assuming it

39:05 Speaker 7: was at least a couple of years right to make this.

39:09 Speaker 8: So I am overly ambitious. Yeah, anybody who's ever worked

39:15 Speaker 8: with me knows that. Yeah, and to a fault. So

39:21 Speaker 8: I thought, well, imovies cool. Right to tell you something,

39:28 Speaker 8: it is cool, but it will not make a certain

39:33 Speaker 8: level documentary. But I'm also one who says, you work

39:38 Speaker 8: with the tools that you have, and nobody ever knows

39:40 Speaker 8: what tools you had if you're willing to work hard.

39:43 Speaker 8: But I actually so this took. It was let me see,

39:52 Speaker 8: it was at least last year. It was finished so

39:54 Speaker 8: that the film was ready for festivals at the beginning

39:58 Speaker 8: of last year, year and a half ago Ballpark. So

40:02 Speaker 8: if that puts in say January, so then go back

40:09 Speaker 8: not that not a month ago December, but the previous

40:12 Speaker 8: December is when I had that phone call with Matt

40:15 Speaker 8: about my idea.

40:18 Speaker 7: So about a year.

40:20 Speaker 8: It took me one year. But what I had to

40:21 Speaker 8: do in that year was this. I had to realize

40:24 Speaker 8: that iMovie was not going to be sufficient. I had

40:27 Speaker 8: to learn editing software. I chose Da Vinci Resolve Studio,

40:34 Speaker 8: which is phenomenal, and I'm gonna throw this out there.

40:37 Speaker 8: There's a free version you just downloaded. It is amazing

40:40 Speaker 8: real editing software, and I mean amazing, even the free version.

40:46 Speaker 8: If you want all the full functionality, it's like a

40:49 Speaker 8: one time cost of I don't know, three or four

40:52 Speaker 8: hundred dollars done. And then you and I would dare

40:56 Speaker 8: say almost every studio that's making movies and and television shows,

41:00 Speaker 8: they're doing all their color editing in that software. Most

41:04 Speaker 8: a lot of So there are other There are certainly

41:06 Speaker 8: other other software to make your movies, and there's two

41:10 Speaker 8: or three other key ones that are used. But so

41:14 Speaker 8: I had to think of what I was doing. I

41:16 Speaker 8: had to completely learn this software. I had to get

41:21 Speaker 8: all the interviews. I had to learn a whole bunch.

41:26 Speaker 8: And then I kind of got it done, and I,

41:28 Speaker 8: you know, the first round, and I sent it to

41:31 Speaker 8: Tommy to view, and then he mentioned something called broadcast filters,

41:36 Speaker 8: and I'm like, what are broadcast filters? And and you know,

41:42 Speaker 8: when television was done over the air, if you sent

41:45 Speaker 8: signal that had too too bright of a certain color,

41:51 Speaker 8: that the tubes in it, that that it came in

41:55 Speaker 8: and broadcast on. You would overload them. They weren't made,

41:58 Speaker 8: they wouldn't display things. You could kind of ruin your broadcast. Yeah,

42:04 Speaker 8: so you put a limitter. Basically what you would do

42:07 Speaker 8: is you would limit the color. So I color corrected

42:11 Speaker 8: a little bit, and then I threw this broadcast filter

42:14 Speaker 8: on and it all had to be redone. So I

42:16 Speaker 8: had to learn like and then I'm a I'm a

42:19 Speaker 8: music producer, so I knew audio, but dialogue in film

42:26 Speaker 8: audio that's a whole other monster. So so I'm making

42:29 Speaker 8: this film and I'm learning all this stuff. And then

42:32 Speaker 8: in about a year start to finish, did all that

42:34 Speaker 8: and had this finished film. Wow, it is a monstrous undertaking.

42:40 Speaker 8: You have to be overly ambitious. And I know there

42:42 Speaker 8: are other people like me out there. I know there are,

42:46 Speaker 8: But I see why it takes a crew. I see

42:49 Speaker 8: why things are outsourced. But I also see that when

42:52 Speaker 8: things are outsourced they take a long time because you're

42:54 Speaker 8: you're waiting on other people.

42:55 Speaker 7: And they cost and they cost a lot of money.

42:57 Speaker 8: They do cost a lot of money, for sure. Yeah yeah,

43:01 Speaker 8: But more than that, I'm not very patient. I don't

43:04 Speaker 8: want to wait I'm like, rather than wait for someone else,

43:06 Speaker 8: I'll just figure it out.

43:06 Speaker 7: Myself, right right, Which I admire. I respect that a

43:10 Speaker 7: lot about you. Yeah, that's incredible and it's important too.

43:15 Speaker 7: Just for people who haven't seen it, haven't watched the trailer,

43:17 Speaker 7: don't know anything about it. I mean, this is a

43:19 Speaker 7: real documentary, This is a real film. This is not

43:22 Speaker 7: this is not a YouTube video that you put together,

43:24 Speaker 7: you know, this is this is the real deal. And

43:27 Speaker 7: it looks fantastic. It's it's very very impressive if you're

43:32 Speaker 7: just joining us. Sean McCarthy is here with us and

43:34 Speaker 7: we are talking about his documentary Resilience and Sacrifice. Was

43:40 Speaker 7: it was it hard tracking down any of the people

43:43 Speaker 7: who are who are in the film or was it

43:45 Speaker 7: pretty easy to locate? Or were there people that you

43:47 Speaker 7: wanted for the film who were not available?

43:50 Speaker 8: So yes, and yes and no. Some of them I

43:54 Speaker 8: had to track down. Some of them I hadn't worked

43:56 Speaker 8: with in a while. And I'm like, man, I wonder

43:58 Speaker 8: if they even remember me, you know, And and I

44:03 Speaker 8: must have made some sort of impact because they all

44:06 Speaker 8: remembered me. But then it's asking them to do like

44:09 Speaker 8: will you do this? And and most said yes, And

44:15 Speaker 8: I am forever grateful because it is not fun when

44:19 Speaker 8: you there's a moment when you do that where you go,

44:22 Speaker 8: oh man, everybody's gonna see this. I'm It's one thing

44:25 Speaker 8: to give yourself a little, you know, social media clip

44:28 Speaker 8: of you doing something, but to put yourself in front

44:31 Speaker 8: of a camera and and talk. All of a sudden,

44:35 Speaker 8: you you almost realize what it is you're doing and

44:37 Speaker 8: what you just agreed to. And it's it's nerve wracking.

44:42 Speaker 8: And I personally despise being on camera, despies it, but

44:49 Speaker 8: they so so so I appreciated that. But but I

44:54 Speaker 8: had to do a little tracking down and some people yes.

44:57 Speaker 8: I I asked an old friend of mine who's the drummer,

44:59 Speaker 8: if he would and he's a filmmaker himself, and he said,

45:04 Speaker 8: I know, I don't feel comfortable to be on that

45:06 Speaker 8: side of the camera because I'm sorry. He goes and

45:09 Speaker 8: I said, it's okay, it's I understand, And I said,

45:12 Speaker 8: can I are you okay with me using some archival footage?

45:15 Speaker 8: And he's he had actually said only stills. And it

45:22 Speaker 8: was just because really like seeing hell himself, and and

45:25 Speaker 8: and and I could appreciate that. Yeah, and then you know,

45:29 Speaker 8: I asked, uh An Old when I say, bandmate of

45:35 Speaker 8: mine who was was pretty key in my career, he

45:39 Speaker 8: would do it, And he first said yes, and then

45:43 Speaker 8: you know, he went through some some stuff himself and

45:45 Speaker 8: he said, look, I don't I don't think I'm gonna

45:46 Speaker 8: be able to do this. And I didn't whatever his reason,

45:50 Speaker 8: you know, he was going through some stuff, maybe he

45:52 Speaker 8: had second thoughts, maybe maybe he wasn't able to do it,

45:57 Speaker 8: and it was important to me because he was he

46:01 Speaker 8: was very integral part of the middle of my career. Yeah,

46:07 Speaker 8: so I touched on that whole story and I'm like, man,

46:09 Speaker 8: this is this guy was was? It was great, you know,

46:14 Speaker 8: and I made sure that I highlighted that. And is

46:18 Speaker 8: a little thing in the film about him not appearing, Yeah,

46:21 Speaker 8: you know, you know it's and I think it says itself,

46:23 Speaker 8: but you work with We work with a lot of

46:26 Speaker 8: people over the years. Yeah, there were some people that

46:28 Speaker 8: I would love to have had in this film that

46:31 Speaker 8: I thought, well, they're way too big, they're way too famous,

46:36 Speaker 8: they're not going to do this right. And I didn't

46:39 Speaker 8: bother asking. Okay, the truth is some of them probably

46:42 Speaker 8: would have done it because again, you know my friend

46:46 Speaker 8: Steve who who kind of starts this off. I mean

46:50 Speaker 8: we went to school together, but he's also had you know,

46:53 Speaker 8: top ten, top twenty hit. He's phenomenal producer. So it

46:58 Speaker 8: was you know, I was so appreciated of him too,

47:01 Speaker 8: you know. And then and then jumping forward to my

47:03 Speaker 8: you know, my current bandmates, like they were, a couple

47:10 Speaker 8: of them are in it, and and they're just so

47:12 Speaker 8: great and gracious in what they said and being willing

47:16 Speaker 8: to do it because again it's it's kind of nerve wracking,

47:20 Speaker 8: you know. And and then back to myself not liking

47:22 Speaker 8: to be on camera. As you're editing this, you ignore

47:25 Speaker 8: that it's you, and you treat yourself like any other interviewee. Yeah,

47:28 Speaker 8: and and and that's the way you have to do it.

47:31 Speaker 8: And you just you're putting it all out there, you know.

47:34 Speaker 7: Yeah. So, now that you've done this, do you do

47:38 Speaker 7: you have the bug to I mean, do you think

47:40 Speaker 7: you'll ever make another documentary or or you just have

47:45 Speaker 7: You've gone back to music, and and you're just going

47:47 Speaker 7: to focus on that because now, I mean, you know

47:49 Speaker 7: you can do it. You know you can you can

47:51 Speaker 7: successfully make a documentary. I mean, you know, sometimes you

47:54 Speaker 7: hear about people say, people say, oh I got the bug.

47:57 Speaker 7: Now now I want to do more of this, more filmmaking.

47:59 Speaker 7: I mean, where are you with that?

48:01 Speaker 8: Well, first, I'm one. I'm never one to say, hey,

48:05 Speaker 8: my new album's coming out next month. I don't tell

48:08 Speaker 8: you if something's done until it's done. I know a

48:13 Speaker 8: lot of I just I know how that is perceived

48:16 Speaker 8: in a way. So I usually don't like to say,

48:18 Speaker 8: you know what I'm working on.

48:20 Speaker 7: But this way, I get that. I get that.

48:23 Speaker 8: I dorew something out at Tommy after so so so

48:26 Speaker 8: Tommy Durant again, who helped me with the film very graciously.

48:33 Speaker 8: He so he basically was the supervising editor. Of course,

48:37 Speaker 8: he looked at what I did and went, that's good.

48:38 Speaker 8: That's good. Might change that, you know, and and we

48:41 Speaker 8: and and and we sometimes politely butted heads on creative

48:48 Speaker 8: you know, ideas, and and and in that I put

48:54 Speaker 8: the trailer together and he looked at it and went, yeah, yeah,

48:57 Speaker 8: well it's good. It's a good start. And I'm thinking, man,

49:00 Speaker 8: if I sent it to you, it's the end, it's

49:02 Speaker 8: the it's that's me right. But but but but not

49:05 Speaker 8: in a bad way. But when he said that, I'm like, no,

49:07 Speaker 8: I disagree, and he's no, I don't think it does

49:09 Speaker 8: the film well. And I'm like, man, that is the trailer, buddy, like,

49:11 Speaker 8: I'm sorry, and it's still the trailer today, by the way.

49:15 Speaker 8: That's because I was like, this does represent it. And

49:18 Speaker 8: and and in his defense, he is a professional. He

49:23 Speaker 8: knows what works. What I was doing was not tried

49:27 Speaker 8: and true. It was a little more raw, it was different,

49:30 Speaker 8: and and he, you know, he was guiding me to say,

49:35 Speaker 8: look this, this is what normally works for this stuff.

49:38 Speaker 8: And I'm like, let's let's just be a little different here.

49:41 Speaker 8: Because I made my career off of doing what other

49:45 Speaker 8: people don't off performing songs people wouldn't normally do. It

49:50 Speaker 8: has been resoundingly successful for me. So as far as

49:55 Speaker 8: the project, I'll put it to you this way. I

49:58 Speaker 8: had an idea. I threw it by Tommy just before

50:02 Speaker 8: the end of this this film was just wrapping and

50:06 Speaker 8: I said, I said, I think this would be a

50:09 Speaker 8: good story. And he says, well, maybe that's our next project,

50:12 Speaker 8: our next project. What do you mean, you know, like

50:16 Speaker 8: you want to work with me again on a serious level.

50:18 Speaker 8: So so I'll put to you this way. We flew

50:21 Speaker 8: to South Florida in February for an interview. We've scheduled

50:26 Speaker 8: some other interviews. So do I have the bug? Yes?

50:30 Speaker 8: I do? And am I working on other projects? Yes

50:34 Speaker 8: I am. They to me ten times better than this

50:38 Speaker 8: personal documentary that I did. Yes, they are cool, Okay,

50:42 Speaker 8: I am. I am excited. I love the process. The

50:46 Speaker 8: good thing that Tommy and I have in it's not

50:51 Speaker 8: in common. The good thing is he loves to shoot film,

50:55 Speaker 8: to get the interviews, to do the camera. He loves it.

50:59 Speaker 8: And I'm like, I think it's great, but I love

51:03 Speaker 8: to edit. Love it. Okay, it hates to edit. Got

51:06 Speaker 8: So it's kind of a match.

51:07 Speaker 7: You're a good You're good, You're a perfect team. Then

51:09 Speaker 7: that's great.

51:10 Speaker 8: Yeah, So so I'm excited. I won't say, you know,

51:13 Speaker 8: when something's coming out, I won't say what it's about.

51:15 Speaker 8: I'll just say there there's there's something in the works

51:17 Speaker 8: that we're really excited about. And uh, yeah, I have

51:22 Speaker 8: definitely got the bug.

51:23 Speaker 7: Wow, that's awesome, good good. I can't wait to see

51:25 Speaker 7: what what comes next. Then excellent, Sean. The time goes

51:30 Speaker 7: so fast, I can't. It's already almost the top of

51:32 Speaker 7: the hour. I am going to put you on the

51:34 Speaker 7: spot though, and say, uh, let's not let another I

51:37 Speaker 7: don't know what fifteen years, whatever it's been, Let's not

51:40 Speaker 7: let that what's time go by go by before we

51:43 Speaker 7: do this again. Because I love talking to you. This

51:45 Speaker 7: has been, this has been wonderful. Before we start to

51:49 Speaker 7: wrap up with you, I want to make sure everybody

51:51 Speaker 7: knows exactly where they can find the documentary Resilience and Sacrifice.

51:57 Speaker 8: So so the easiest way so you can go to

52:01 Speaker 8: first Resilience and Sacrifice dot com.

52:03 Speaker 7: Okay, spell that out.

52:05 Speaker 8: That'll bring you to a couple streaming services. The streaming

52:09 Speaker 8: platform process is a bit again. It requires patients. People

52:15 Speaker 8: pick that up. Platforms pick it up when they want.

52:18 Speaker 8: You never know who's going to pick it up. So

52:20 Speaker 8: it's on a couple now. But if you go there,

52:23 Speaker 8: it'll bring you right to the trailer and where you

52:25 Speaker 8: can watch and all the IMDb and TMDb stuff about it.

52:29 Speaker 8: You can also go to my website Sean McCarthy dot com.

52:32 Speaker 8: There's links there for it. That's probably the easiest and

52:37 Speaker 8: that that'll that'll at least get you to it. At

52:41 Speaker 8: some point, you know, it'll be out, you know, on YouTube.

52:44 Speaker 8: You know, we usually I guess this industry standard is

52:48 Speaker 8: let it sit out there and be on platforms for

52:50 Speaker 8: a while before it gets to you know, YouTube or

52:54 Speaker 8: public Vimeo or.

52:55 Speaker 7: Things like that. Yeah, that's that's my impression as well.

52:57 Speaker 7: So that makes sense and anything coming up musically that

53:01 Speaker 7: we should know about.

53:03 Speaker 8: So it's funny because this film is about my career,

53:09 Speaker 8: but it also does go into my my well, I say,

53:13 Speaker 8: a new project, but the project I've been in now

53:15 Speaker 8: for for four plus four or five years. I'm the

53:19 Speaker 8: guitar player for the band Beautiful Wreck, based out of

53:22 Speaker 8: Rhode Island, and it's a female fronted band with a

53:28 Speaker 8: simply phenomenal singer and I get to play guitar, and

53:34 Speaker 8: you know, the band is the band is so just

53:38 Speaker 8: great people. We've been through a couple of changes in

53:41 Speaker 8: that short time to to navigate and to dial in

53:45 Speaker 8: what kind of a project we wanted to be. But

53:47 Speaker 8: it's very much a kind of Paramour Hailstorm, Ivan Essence,

53:53 Speaker 8: Pink Mix. Okay, if that brings it together. We don't

53:56 Speaker 8: do all female female songs. It's kind of cool when

54:00 Speaker 8: when our singer Sabrina you know rips out, you know,

54:03 Speaker 8: just some some heavy guy you know song.

54:09 Speaker 5: She just.

54:11 Speaker 8: Is what it is. But the project is great, it's

54:13 Speaker 8: doing great. We were Rhode Island based. We play like

54:16 Speaker 8: one venue in Rhode Island because we played throughout New England.

54:19 Speaker 8: We don't do tons of shows, but we were kind

54:21 Speaker 8: of more of a concert band than anything. Okay, so

54:24 Speaker 8: coming up we have some really good shows. We play it,

54:27 Speaker 8: you know, Ballely's in Rhode Island, the casino we're in

54:32 Speaker 8: mass I think at another casino. We're not really a

54:34 Speaker 8: casino band, but plain Ridge coming up. But we also

54:38 Speaker 8: just booked a show at the met in Rhode Island. Excellent,

54:41 Speaker 8: huge for for us and for any band really. So

54:44 Speaker 8: we're doing a full band show, but it's it's acoustic,

54:48 Speaker 8: kind of the MTV Unplugged thing. We're doing a couple

54:51 Speaker 8: of sets and we have a really good friend of mine,

54:54 Speaker 8: Keith Denny, he from Angry Hill, who's opening the show

54:58 Speaker 8: for us. It's funny. I I hate asking friends to

55:01 Speaker 8: open because I feel like maybe that that's a a downgrade,

55:06 Speaker 8: but to me it's not. I Keith has been good

55:09 Speaker 8: to me and my musician friends have been really good

55:12 Speaker 8: to me in the past, and I'm like, man, like,

55:14 Speaker 8: if I can give a little back, I'd love to

55:16 Speaker 8: have love to have him on the show. So he

55:18 Speaker 8: agreed to that. So I would say coming up the

55:23 Speaker 8: Met show is probably the one we're most excited about

55:26 Speaker 8: because it's a big it's a big deal to get

55:28 Speaker 8: an a venue like that. Absolutely, you know, we we

55:32 Speaker 8: have shows in Vermont and New Hampshire and all over.

55:35 Speaker 8: But but and then you know, uh, Sabrina and I

55:39 Speaker 8: the singer for the band just she was up here

55:41 Speaker 8: the other day and we started writing originals. So we're

55:44 Speaker 8: we're excited to get get on that.

55:47 Speaker 7: It's very good, very good.

55:49 Speaker 8: So that that's that's the big thing going forward for me.

55:52 Speaker 8: My focus is really all there. And then you know,

55:55 Speaker 8: hopefully people get to see this film because I think

55:58 Speaker 8: that if you're a musician, you can relate. You You've

56:02 Speaker 8: been some something I've done. In this film, You've done

56:06 Speaker 8: and and there's no way, there's no way this doesn't

56:09 Speaker 8: relate to you, because I relate to all those musicians too.

56:13 Speaker 7: Oh oh but but but by the way, Sean just quickly,

56:16 Speaker 7: speaking of relating a comment in the chat room Jenny

56:19 Speaker 7: had made. She said, Uh, this relates to what we

56:21 Speaker 7: were talking about earlier. I just want to get this in.

56:23 Speaker 7: My therapist does em d R with me, uh for

56:26 Speaker 7: CPTSD and it's a huge help. So so somebody see

56:31 Speaker 7: Jenny connected with something we were talking about earlier in

56:33 Speaker 7: our conversation.

56:34 Speaker 8: So you know it is EMDR is not just for

56:37 Speaker 8: you know a singer. E M d R is is

56:40 Speaker 8: is trauma therapy. And if you if you have been

56:44 Speaker 8: going through anything, if you have a fear of something,

56:48 Speaker 8: if you're traumatized, something in your life has happened where

56:51 Speaker 8: you just can't seem to get past it. Forget music.

56:54 Speaker 6: Uh.

56:54 Speaker 8: EMDR therapists are are amazing.

56:58 Speaker 7: There you go, there you go. Excellent, excellent advice and

57:01 Speaker 7: all of it.

57:02 Speaker 2: Uh.

57:02 Speaker 7: Sean McCarthy, thank you so much. I'm thinking about ending

57:04 Speaker 7: the segment with this song Sunday Morning. Of the songs

57:08 Speaker 7: that you sent me, I really connected with this one.

57:11 Speaker 7: Anything we should know just quickly before we uh, before

57:13 Speaker 7: we let you go and we play this track.

57:17 Speaker 8: No, I just I'm Matt. I appreciate you always, thank

57:20 Speaker 8: you for this time. I hope we can do it.

57:21 Speaker 8: Again soon. Yes, absolutely, you know again, I hope, I

57:27 Speaker 8: hope people watch the film reach out to me. You know,

57:29 Speaker 8: the streaming services is on. I mean it's not. You know,

57:33 Speaker 8: some are free summer are not. But I want you

57:36 Speaker 8: to see the film. Shoot me a message. I'll make

57:37 Speaker 8: sure you see the film. However, Ye, it's more important

57:40 Speaker 8: that that you see you see it and not about me,

57:44 Speaker 8: but that you can relate to it. I feel like

57:46 Speaker 8: there's a lot of artists who have hit a point

57:48 Speaker 8: in their life where they go, man, I I did this,

57:51 Speaker 8: I wish I could do it again, or I'd like

57:53 Speaker 8: to look back, or I just think it's relatable. I

57:55 Speaker 8: think that's that's the important party. But no, and I

58:00 Speaker 8: do think in Sunday Morning. By the way, I think

58:01 Speaker 8: it's one of my favorites. Yeah, there's another version of

58:05 Speaker 8: this song earlier, and this is nothing like it. So

58:08 Speaker 8: I love the reworked version of this and anyway, I

58:12 Speaker 8: appreciate this. Matt, thank you so much.

58:14 Speaker 7: Absolutely, Sean, thank you. We will definitely do it again soon.

58:17 Speaker 7: We're gonna let you go. We're gonna hit that track

58:19 Speaker 7: to close out today's show. But yeah, Sean McCarthy, thank

58:23 Speaker 7: you so much, thanks Mat, you got it by bye,

58:26 Speaker 7: all right. That is Sean McCarthy and the documentary is

58:29 Speaker 7: called Resilience and Sacrifice. I highly recommend it. We're out

58:33 Speaker 7: of time, so but yeah, we'll definitely have Sean back

58:36 Speaker 7: again soon because he's got a lot going on, so

58:38 Speaker 7: he's got a lot to talk about, which is very good.

58:40 Speaker 7: So yeah, it was a long time ago the last

58:43 Speaker 7: time I interviewed Sean, so really great to reconnect with

58:47 Speaker 7: him too, so on a you know, on a personal

58:49 Speaker 7: level too. It's really nice to talk to him today.

58:51 Speaker 7: But we will close out with this Sean McCarthy and

58:53 Speaker 7: the song is called Sunday Morning.

59:01 Speaker 3: Sitting quierely in our bedroom, wrapped in a blanket.

59:06 Speaker 1: And these fears, good intentions, consequences.

59:12 Speaker 3: Building up, all of these fences to set anyone here, anyone.

59:20 Speaker 1: Here dreaming slim.

59:26 Speaker 5: It's nice to see you. Yes, it's raining over here.

59:34 Speaker 5: First it's cloudy, then it's clear.

59:37 Speaker 1: How can you be so far? But still soon hear,

59:41 Speaker 1: It's nice to see you.

59:44 Speaker 3: On the sunlime morning. It's nice to see you.

59:56 Speaker 1: Could you stay for a while. I've got so much.

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1:00:03 Speaker 1: I've got so much time to get through.

1:00:07 Speaker 9: You just don't know where did you go. It's nice

1:00:15 Speaker 9: to see you. I've got so much on my mind.

1:00:22 Speaker 9: Could you just help me mine?

1:00:26 Speaker 5: First I've break free, then I'm broken.

1:00:29 Speaker 1: It's just so much left to spoken.

1:00:33 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's nice to see you.

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