Shana Trahan, author of The Anxiety Fix | Matt Connarton Unleashed

0:00 Speaker 1: Good morning, welcome to the show. Is this Shanna?

0:02 Speaker 2: It is? Good morning? How are you?

0:04 Speaker 1: Good morning? Okay, tell me if I'm saying your name correctly,

0:07 Speaker 1: we're alive on the air. Is it Shana Trahan trey Han?

0:11 Speaker 1: How do you say your name?

0:14 Speaker 2: Sure? Is Shanna trey Han?

0:15 Speaker 1: Shanna trey Han. Okay, cool, got it? Thank you, Thank

0:18 Speaker 1: you for joining us this morning. Very interested in talking

0:21 Speaker 1: to you. Can you before we talk about your book,

0:24 Speaker 1: can you tell us about your background and at about

0:27 Speaker 1: the therapy center and everything, anything and everything we should

0:31 Speaker 1: know about you before we before we really get into it.

0:34 Speaker 2: Okay, Well, I appreciate you very much, for sure. So

0:38 Speaker 2: I was born and raised in Louisiana, right in your

0:41 Speaker 2: New Orleans. And then also, gosh, so my life pretty

0:45 Speaker 2: much is. I was an educator for twenty years. I

0:49 Speaker 2: was in military leadership, hearing of two beautiful kids, one

0:53 Speaker 2: beautiful granddaughter, and I love to travel. Insofar is middle

0:59 Speaker 2: heal health is concerned. I kind of thought about it,

1:04 Speaker 2: I guess when I was younger, because people used to

1:06 Speaker 2: always come to me and ask me what do I think?

1:08 Speaker 2: And so, yeah, so that's a little bit of background.

1:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, So and tell us about the Tray and Therapy Center,

1:18 Speaker 1: What is that exactly? What do you do there?

1:21 Speaker 2: Thank you so much. So the Trade Hand Therapy Center

1:24 Speaker 2: is where we shape minds and change lives. And that's

1:28 Speaker 2: the slogan I came up with because I just thought

1:30 Speaker 2: about the processes that I thought taking place in the

1:33 Speaker 2: transformations of people's lives who followed through consistently and more

1:39 Speaker 2: intentional about the therapeutic process. So that's what we do

1:45 Speaker 2: and been in private practice for almost eight years and

1:50 Speaker 2: right now we're licensed in like nine eight states, and

1:54 Speaker 2: so we started out of Texas though, and so yeah,

1:58 Speaker 2: so that's we really love to support people who are

2:02 Speaker 2: challenged having mental health challenges. If it's with marriage, if

2:05 Speaker 2: it's emotional, just you know, anything that they're dealing with.

2:10 Speaker 2: I try to streamline it. So I would say, if

2:13 Speaker 2: I wanted to tell you mainly what we do, sure

2:16 Speaker 2: it's going to be relationship, marriage, certainly, anxiety, depression, and

2:23 Speaker 2: had a lot of clients who present it with like

2:25 Speaker 2: bipolar disorder, okay, but certainly the age range pretty much

2:30 Speaker 2: is like twelve and up.

2:33 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay. In your experience, do you feel like the

2:38 Speaker 1: has it gotten better over time? In terms of the stigma,

2:41 Speaker 1: you know, a lot of people have a problem admitting

2:45 Speaker 1: or acknowledging and directly dealing with mental health issues like depression,

2:49 Speaker 1: for example. I know this from personal experience. I'm someone

2:52 Speaker 1: who struggles with depression, as a lot of our listeners know,

2:55 Speaker 1: I've I've been pretty open about it the last few years,

2:57 Speaker 1: but I wasn't always open about it, and there was

2:59 Speaker 1: a time where I would try to hide it. And

3:01 Speaker 1: I know that. I know that there can be a

3:03 Speaker 1: lot of stigma and judgment that people have to deal

3:06 Speaker 1: with if they if they start to open up about

3:10 Speaker 1: these things, whether it be publicly or even to family

3:12 Speaker 1: and friends. But I do feel like that's gotten a

3:15 Speaker 1: lot better, especially over the past decade. I feel like

3:18 Speaker 1: people have become more open and comfortable talking about these things.

3:21 Speaker 1: And I'm curious what your experience in terms of that

3:24 Speaker 1: has been. Do you think it's do you think it's

3:27 Speaker 1: gotten better, or maybe it's gotten worse, or I don't know.

3:30 Speaker 1: I mean, what do you think in terms of people

3:31 Speaker 1: being open about this stuff.

3:34 Speaker 2: That's an excellent question because there's multiple parts of that.

3:38 Speaker 2: So the first part I will share is that I

3:40 Speaker 2: do believe that more doors and more windows have been opened,

3:45 Speaker 2: and honestly, as people in Hollywood have come out to say, hey,

3:51 Speaker 2: you know what, I'm experiencing anxiety, I'm experiencing depression. I

3:55 Speaker 2: do have bipolar, you know, and I do movies as well, right,

3:58 Speaker 2: So I believe that that has created some shifts. And

4:05 Speaker 2: then also though, literally I was talking to someone the

4:07 Speaker 2: other day and you know, someone who's someone that I

4:12 Speaker 2: know that's not in therapy, and I asked him, I said, oh,

4:16 Speaker 2: I said, well, you know, have you ever thought about

4:18 Speaker 2: talking to someone? And they said, well, I just think

4:21 Speaker 2: of talking to someone as just, you know, saying just

4:24 Speaker 2: what I'm feeling. And I said, well, you know, therapy

4:27 Speaker 2: is so much more than that, right, And you know,

4:32 Speaker 2: don't please, don't come just pour everything on my head

4:35 Speaker 2: and walk away. For me, therapy is certainly about change.

4:39 Speaker 2: And I'm such a solution focused type person. But because

4:45 Speaker 2: of my background, I've taught from babies. I used to

4:48 Speaker 2: have a daycare, So from babies all the way to

4:51 Speaker 2: college level, I've taught. And I would say that I've

4:54 Speaker 2: worked with people who have identified special needs and then

5:00 Speaker 2: those who don't have identified special needs. Right, And so

5:05 Speaker 2: in working with those who identified special needs. I think

5:08 Speaker 2: that that really has helped me to be real specific

5:13 Speaker 2: in planning and treatment planning for my clients, because they

5:18 Speaker 2: don't just to give them a broad spectrum antibiotic, for example,

5:22 Speaker 2: is just not enough, Like they need something that's really

5:25 Speaker 2: specific to their background and their experiences. So I practice

5:30 Speaker 2: what's called integrative therapy, and that it uses multiple multiple

5:38 Speaker 2: theories in one setting as opposed to trying to go

5:43 Speaker 2: with one theory. But the person really needs a little

5:45 Speaker 2: bit of this one and a little bit of that one.

5:47 Speaker 2: And so I believe that that is the most for me,

5:52 Speaker 2: the best approach, and it seems to have worked for

5:55 Speaker 2: the people that I see. But yeah, just to answer

5:57 Speaker 2: your question, yes, I think that it's more people are open. However,

6:02 Speaker 2: there's still so many people. If we look at the

6:05 Speaker 2: number of people committing suicide, there's still so many more

6:09 Speaker 2: people that need to be reached.

6:13 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, so tell us about the book The Anxiety Fix.

6:19 Speaker 2: Thank you so much, Anxiety Fixed. While Yeah, just as

6:24 Speaker 2: I was observing, I guess what's been happening. And I

6:27 Speaker 2: don't watch the news much, but I guess back last

6:30 Speaker 2: year I was watching it a little more and I

6:34 Speaker 2: was just listening to even clients and friends and family members,

6:38 Speaker 2: and it just dawned on me that people were really

6:40 Speaker 2: suffering from anxiety, I mean almost to what could be

6:44 Speaker 2: like nearly OCD levels.

6:47 Speaker 1: Uh.

6:47 Speaker 2: And it's unfortunate because you know, there's ways and systems

6:51 Speaker 2: and processes, and you know there's so many solutions. Sure,

6:56 Speaker 2: and so I came up with anxiety Fix, and I

7:02 Speaker 2: believe that all of the components of it are so important.

7:06 Speaker 2: And so the book talks about like the biology of anxiety,

7:09 Speaker 2: which I think that it's important to understand, like where

7:13 Speaker 2: is this coming from? Right, what's the source of all this?

7:16 Speaker 2: And then the next thing, certainly we look at food

7:20 Speaker 2: that you eat and then the best foods for you

7:23 Speaker 2: know that you should eat if you're having anxiety, and

7:27 Speaker 2: like everything, a lot of times we overlook it. I mean,

7:30 Speaker 2: food and water are like the foundational you know, it's

7:34 Speaker 2: foundational like ourselves, right, So what foods are contributing to

7:39 Speaker 2: how we're feeling and how we're feeling is presenting into

7:44 Speaker 2: the world. Also, we look at things such as community

7:49 Speaker 2: building community. When I talk to a lot of people,

7:52 Speaker 2: you know, I find that they don't have you know

7:56 Speaker 2: their core group. Souse families kind of spread away, spread

8:00 Speaker 2: out and move the different states, and then it's like

8:02 Speaker 2: now you have to come up with your own group.

8:04 Speaker 2: And so I believe that certainly finding your people is

8:08 Speaker 2: a thing that you know, people have said use the

8:10 Speaker 2: term your people, but it's meaning that group that fits you, right,

8:14 Speaker 2: So in finding your people, that that part is really

8:18 Speaker 2: important to reducing anxiety because you feel like, hey, I'm

8:21 Speaker 2: not alone. And also looking at holistic supports because it's

8:27 Speaker 2: not everyone doesn't necessarily need a medicine from the pharmacy,

8:32 Speaker 2: but sometimes people can definitely benefit, so let me say that.

8:35 Speaker 2: But also looking at holistic supports for that purpose. And

8:41 Speaker 2: I think that understanding what those things are is important.

8:45 Speaker 2: And if those things work for you, then you may

8:47 Speaker 2: not need medication. However, if your person suffering with severe

8:51 Speaker 2: anxiety or severe depression, or you know, severe case of

8:56 Speaker 2: your mental health concern, you may you know, need the medication.

9:01 Speaker 2: So I mean, just have to be honest with yourself, right,

9:04 Speaker 2: So if the holistic supports are not working for you,

9:07 Speaker 2: then we may have to move towards, you know, medication.

9:11 Speaker 1: It sounds like you're suggesting to that, tell me if

9:15 Speaker 1: I'm understanding this correctly, that it's probably better to try

9:18 Speaker 1: to with with something like anxiety, it's better to try

9:21 Speaker 1: to address it, you know, holistically, or you know, you

9:26 Speaker 1: mentioned nutrition, the importance of nutrition, and you know most

9:29 Speaker 1: people don't exercise enough obviously that you know. I'm a hypnotherapist,

9:33 Speaker 1: and I talked to my clients a lot about that

9:35 Speaker 1: mind body connection, and I tell them, look, the better

9:37 Speaker 1: you feel mentally, the better you'll feel physically, and vice versa.

9:43 Speaker 1: But it sounds like you really suggest kind of trying

9:45 Speaker 1: these other things before, because I think there's a misconception

9:49 Speaker 1: that some people have that you know, you can cure

9:52 Speaker 1: anything with a pill, But the reality is there's other

9:56 Speaker 1: things that you do want to try first, because you

9:59 Speaker 1: might not need medica, and if you can address these

10:01 Speaker 1: things with diet and exercise, and you know, you talked

10:06 Speaker 1: about community, you know, because a lot of people struggle

10:08 Speaker 1: with loneliness and that obviously that does inflate anxiety and

10:12 Speaker 1: depression and all these things. So I mean, it sounds

10:14 Speaker 1: like you're saying there are ways to address these things,

10:16 Speaker 1: and medication might be I don't know if the last

10:20 Speaker 1: resort is the right way. Of putting it. But am

10:22 Speaker 1: I on the right track with that?

10:25 Speaker 2: You are so so on the right track as we

10:28 Speaker 2: watch these lovely commercials that pass on the different stations

10:32 Speaker 2: and then at the end somebody says about forty different

10:36 Speaker 2: side effects very fast. Yep, yep, I am. Everybody's in

10:43 Speaker 2: the business of medicine and or the line of work

10:49 Speaker 2: that we're in for different reasons, right, We all have

10:52 Speaker 2: our different reasons, and I pretty much I would say

10:57 Speaker 2: that my motive, if you will, has always been to

11:00 Speaker 2: help and support. And so that's my military background, that's

11:05 Speaker 2: my teaching background, that's my even store manager background, that's

11:09 Speaker 2: my daycare background. Everything I've always done has been to

11:12 Speaker 2: support and train, teach, help, you know, And so that

11:21 Speaker 2: for me is this thing as well, because you know,

11:24 Speaker 2: I could I could say, hey, go go get the Mets,

11:27 Speaker 2: Go get the mets, go get the mess because it

11:30 Speaker 2: doesn't hurt me physically. But it's just the moral part,

11:35 Speaker 2: like just knowing that hey, maybe if they had done

11:39 Speaker 2: you know, a little more exercise or maybe kind of

11:41 Speaker 2: gotten you know, went out and you know, developed a

11:44 Speaker 2: new hobby and you know, met some new people that

11:47 Speaker 2: that could have been the beginning to something new and

11:51 Speaker 2: better for them. You know, Yeah, you don't go just

11:54 Speaker 2: straight to the pill or straight to the medicine that

11:58 Speaker 2: has you know, a lot of side effects. But again,

12:01 Speaker 2: some people certainly are benefited by that, right, So we

12:06 Speaker 2: don't want to say that medicine is not good, because

12:08 Speaker 2: medicine certainly has helped many people for a lot of things.

12:13 Speaker 2: But certainly we want to take it in terms of medication,

12:18 Speaker 2: how you kind of tie trade up or tie trade down.

12:21 Speaker 2: So we want to kind of start at the basic level. Hey,

12:24 Speaker 2: how much water are you drinking? Right, and then go

12:27 Speaker 2: up to medication if that is required.

12:30 Speaker 1: Sure, sure I do. Yeah, most people don't drink enough water,

12:34 Speaker 1: and it is so important, especially you know, in the

12:35 Speaker 1: hot summer. But it's but it's always important. And yeah,

12:41 Speaker 1: it's interesting too because I know that there's studies that

12:46 Speaker 1: show that exercise, for example, for many people, and again

12:51 Speaker 1: you know, obviously we don't want to say for everybody,

12:53 Speaker 1: but for many people, you know, just exercise, even just

12:56 Speaker 1: walking every day can be more effective for depression, for

13:00 Speaker 1: dealing with depression than say going on a on a medication.

13:04 Speaker 1: And and you're right too, you mentioned those those commercials

13:07 Speaker 1: that you see for for for medications, and I I

13:11 Speaker 1: don't remember which one it was, but there's a there's

13:14 Speaker 1: an antidepressant years ago. I remember seeing this commercial late

13:17 Speaker 1: at night on a on a cable news channel. I

13:21 Speaker 1: I think, I I think I know which one it was,

13:22 Speaker 1: but I'm not sure, so I don't want to say it.

13:24 Speaker 1: But but one of the side effects for this antidepressant

13:28 Speaker 1: was may cause suicidal ideations. And as someone who struggles

13:33 Speaker 1: with depression, I just I remember seeing this commercial and

13:37 Speaker 1: it mentions the suicidal ideations, and I thought, well, that's

13:40 Speaker 1: that's a bit counterintuitive. You know, if I'm going to

13:43 Speaker 1: go on that mad it's because I'm trying not to

13:45 Speaker 1: kill myself that this antidepressant might make me want to

13:49 Speaker 1: kill myself, you know, so to be very blunted. So yeah,

13:53 Speaker 1: so I'm always I'm always skeptical. I've I've never gone

13:57 Speaker 1: on any kind of medication for my depression, but but

14:01 Speaker 1: I and maybe I should, but some would suggest I

14:05 Speaker 1: should try it. I try to deal with it on

14:07 Speaker 1: my own. But but I do know that, uh, you know,

14:11 Speaker 1: and again it's something that a lot of people struggle

14:13 Speaker 1: with depression, is is is very uh very common and

14:17 Speaker 1: anxiety of course, and they're they're I agree, they tend

14:21 Speaker 1: to be connected. Do you feel that, uh, do you

14:27 Speaker 1: feel that people are being well? Let me ask it

14:31 Speaker 1: this way. Do you think these problems have become more

14:33 Speaker 1: widespread or do you think people are just becoming more

14:36 Speaker 1: aware and open about discussing them over time? You know,

14:39 Speaker 1: we talked earlier about the stigma, and I think you

14:42 Speaker 1: and I agree that that's been getting better. But do

14:44 Speaker 1: you think these problems have actually gotten worse or do

14:48 Speaker 1: you think people are just more open about them? Or

14:50 Speaker 1: maybe it's hard to say.

14:53 Speaker 2: Hmm, you know, I think that people are becoming a

14:58 Speaker 2: little more aware. Yeah, But honestly, the crazy thing is

15:03 Speaker 2: that I would say sometimes unfortunately, you know, people are

15:10 Speaker 2: unaware of some people are unaware of, you know, our

15:16 Speaker 2: own presentation. And I was talking to a friend the

15:21 Speaker 2: other day and I mentioned something to them about I guess,

15:26 Speaker 2: you know, a behavior you know, I observe, not trying

15:29 Speaker 2: to be their therapist, but it's just that we were

15:31 Speaker 2: talking about something between us and I said, did you

15:34 Speaker 2: realize X, you know had happened? And they were like, oh,

15:39 Speaker 2: maybe because of why you know? And I said, no,

15:41 Speaker 2: it wasn't Why wasn't present at the time, you know,

15:44 Speaker 2: And then because they had like they were showing like

15:46 Speaker 2: little signs of anger or frustration, and like there was

15:50 Speaker 2: nothing in the moment really that anybody else probably would

15:52 Speaker 2: have said, Hey, you should be frustrated, you should be

15:55 Speaker 2: angry right now, right, And so they hadn't even realized

15:59 Speaker 2: that presentation of themselves. Okay, And so sometimes we don't

16:04 Speaker 2: even realize our own presentations. So how can we even

16:08 Speaker 2: you know, talk to the therapist and say, hey, I've

16:12 Speaker 2: been experiencing X, you know, and with everybody ghosting everybody

16:17 Speaker 2: in twenty twenty five, I mean, people aren't being on

16:20 Speaker 2: you know, aren't really talking to their friends, and they just, oh,

16:23 Speaker 2: that person presented angry, I'm just going to leave them

16:25 Speaker 2: alone forever, you know, you just sure, you know people,

16:29 Speaker 2: you know, how do we have friendships? How how can

16:31 Speaker 2: we be honest with each other and not you know,

16:34 Speaker 2: concern ourselves with everybody ghosting us or you know whatever. So, yeah,

16:39 Speaker 2: sometimes we don't even realize our own presentation.

16:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, absolutely, And it's easy to not only not only

16:47 Speaker 1: do we not always recognize our own presentation, but it's

16:49 Speaker 1: easy to misread other people. Uh. Text messaging I think

16:52 Speaker 1: has played a big role in that in our society,

16:55 Speaker 1: in that, you know, I saw somebody make a joke

16:58 Speaker 1: the other day. It's almost like you have to end

17:01 Speaker 1: every text with a smiley emoji, or the person you're

17:04 Speaker 1: sending the text to is automatically going to assume that

17:07 Speaker 1: you're angry with them. There's a lot of misunderstandings that

17:13 Speaker 1: happened because of that, you know, and I'm guilty of

17:18 Speaker 1: it myself. You know, sometimes I misread people or I

17:20 Speaker 1: misunderstand or especially if I meet somebody new and they

17:22 Speaker 1: come across to me as a little bit kurt or

17:25 Speaker 1: perhaps kind of stern, and how they present and then

17:27 Speaker 1: I and then I get into my own head about,

17:30 Speaker 1: oh they don't like me, there's something about me that

17:32 Speaker 1: bothers them. And then I get to know them a

17:34 Speaker 1: little bit and it's like, oh, no, that's just how

17:36 Speaker 1: they talk. They're a nice person and they do seem

17:39 Speaker 1: to like me. They just you know, I misunderstood, I

17:42 Speaker 1: misread them, and that happens to me a lot. I've

17:45 Speaker 1: gotten better about it over the years, but it still

17:47 Speaker 1: happens where it's like, you know, I get a wrong idea,

17:50 Speaker 1: a wrong impression about somebody else's presentation. So it's something

17:53 Speaker 1: I think we all need to be aware of and

17:55 Speaker 1: mindful of. And but but it's tricky. But it's tricky.

17:59 Speaker 1: I do under if if some of these problems have

18:01 Speaker 1: worsened over time though too. I mean, obviously, like you said,

18:05 Speaker 1: people are more open about about talking about these things,

18:08 Speaker 1: but and there's more awareness. But also I think that

18:11 Speaker 1: because you mentioned how people eat the foods that we eat,

18:14 Speaker 1: you know, we we eat all this processed food, and

18:18 Speaker 1: you know, and and as a country, you know, we

18:21 Speaker 1: tend to you know, we have higher and higher numbers

18:23 Speaker 1: of diabetes and and and obesity and all of this.

18:27 Speaker 1: And I mean that all contributes. And I think as

18:29 Speaker 1: though as those problems continue to worsen, I think that

18:33 Speaker 1: obviously affects everybody in terms of how they feel and

18:36 Speaker 1: and their emotional well being and all of that. So

18:39 Speaker 1: I suspect that people are becoming more aware and more

18:42 Speaker 1: open about these things, but I think the problems are

18:44 Speaker 1: probably also getting worse and and that and that's why

18:47 Speaker 1: that makes it that much more important for people to

18:50 Speaker 1: read things, for example, that are helpful to them, like

18:52 Speaker 1: your book The Anxiety Fix and and someone who someone

18:56 Speaker 1: who reads your book, what what will they what will

18:58 Speaker 1: they get from it? Like do you lay out in

19:00 Speaker 1: the book kind of a plan or a strategy for

19:02 Speaker 1: people who use to deal with their anxiety, or or

19:06 Speaker 1: do you make it just make a lot of suggestions

19:08 Speaker 1: about different methods to try to cope or tell us

19:12 Speaker 1: a little bit more about the book. What do you

19:14 Speaker 1: present to the reader in terms of what can help them?

19:18 Speaker 2: For sure? So I would say number one is that

19:22 Speaker 2: I think that two things about the book. One is

19:24 Speaker 2: that it should be on it I mean, you can

19:27 Speaker 2: read it on your own. However, I really suggest that

19:31 Speaker 2: you anyone that considers purchasing Anxiety Fix, that they actually

19:39 Speaker 2: use it alongside their therapists, because really there's things there.

19:44 Speaker 2: For example, I had someone that was reading the book

19:47 Speaker 2: and then they were like, oh, you know, I saw

19:49 Speaker 2: the coping skills, and so I just figured I could

19:51 Speaker 2: just do them all. No, you cannot do You don't

19:53 Speaker 2: do them all. You don't do them all at one time.

19:55 Speaker 1: You know.

19:56 Speaker 2: The way that I suggest is certainly choosing one or

19:59 Speaker 2: two coping skills, practicing those intentionally over a couple of weeks,

20:03 Speaker 2: seeing you know, the you know which one is benefiting

20:06 Speaker 2: you most, and if if one of them is benefiting one,

20:10 Speaker 2: you don't see the benefit, then you know, then drop

20:12 Speaker 2: that second one at another one. Now you're doing that

20:15 Speaker 2: one that you know works, and you're trying another one,

20:17 Speaker 2: and you know on top of that. So definitely, the

20:19 Speaker 2: book presents with a lot of coping skills support and

20:24 Speaker 2: I think that that is important that you don't you

20:28 Speaker 2: can't you don't employ forty coping skills all at one time.

20:31 Speaker 2: I think that that will lead to overwhelm. And so

20:34 Speaker 2: the goal one is not so overwhelm, but you definitely

20:37 Speaker 2: want to. I would say use this with your therapist

20:41 Speaker 2: so that way, you know, the therapist has the book

20:43 Speaker 2: Anxiety Fix. You have the book Anxiety Fix, and then

20:47 Speaker 2: you get to read the first chapter. You're answering questions

20:51 Speaker 2: and you know, figuring out who you are and what's

20:53 Speaker 2: happening with you and why it's happening, and then you

20:56 Speaker 2: get to bring that back to your therapist then kind

20:58 Speaker 2: of talk about you know, the questions that you answer,

21:01 Speaker 2: why you answered them that way you know, and your

21:03 Speaker 2: behaviors and your choices that might be leading to your anxiety. Right,

21:07 Speaker 2: So This is certainly a book that can be read

21:10 Speaker 2: on an individual basis, but I certainly suggest that you

21:14 Speaker 2: do go through it, you know, on an individual basis.

21:17 Speaker 2: But then when you go to your therapist, Hey, I

21:20 Speaker 2: read the first chapter of Anxiety Fix this week. Can

21:22 Speaker 2: we talk about that? Yeah, because I'm certain that your

21:26 Speaker 2: therapist will be very glad to kind of go through

21:29 Speaker 2: the process with you step by step because it's going

21:32 Speaker 2: to lighten their load as well. Sure, and then you've

21:36 Speaker 2: already done some of the work, right so they don't

21:38 Speaker 2: even have to assign some homework. Hey, you've got your

21:41 Speaker 2: homework right there, an Anxiety Fix. And then the therapist

21:44 Speaker 2: is just supporting and facilitating. It's like, hey, this is

21:46 Speaker 2: really easy.

21:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. That makes sense. Is this

21:51 Speaker 1: your first book, by the way, or have you written

21:52 Speaker 1: other books?

21:54 Speaker 2: I've written other books. However, out of all the books,

21:58 Speaker 2: I will say that this is the best of all

22:02 Speaker 2: the books. Okay, So if anyone buys any books that

22:05 Speaker 2: Shanna Treyhan has written, Anxiety Fix is the one. I mean,

22:09 Speaker 2: this is like the one for you know, you can

22:12 Speaker 2: buy it for your sister or your brother because you

22:14 Speaker 2: know that they're struggling and just leave it with them

22:17 Speaker 2: and walk away. Hey, try this. You know sometimes people

22:20 Speaker 2: don't want to have the conversation. Here you go and

22:23 Speaker 2: then just leave them with it. Right, certainly yourself, your kids,

22:27 Speaker 2: it could be a family, a family book to read.

22:30 Speaker 2: Let's sit in a circle. Let's talk about this stuff. Man,

22:33 Speaker 2: this has been affecting everybody. Little Johnny, it's affecting you

22:36 Speaker 2: at school. You went to a new school. We just moved.

22:39 Speaker 2: We're having some anxiety because now you have to start

22:42 Speaker 2: over from scratch making new friends. A husband or wife

22:46 Speaker 2: just got a new gig because they just moved. You know,

22:49 Speaker 2: everybody's feeling the anxiety. Let's sit down in the family

22:52 Speaker 2: as a family. Let's read it, Let's talk about it.

22:56 Speaker 2: Let's experience everything together. Hey, we're going to try some

22:59 Speaker 2: of these coping feels together. Hey, we're gonna try some

23:02 Speaker 2: new eating plans together. Right, So don't just let you

23:06 Speaker 2: know your family members sit in a room with the

23:08 Speaker 2: blinds closed and the doors closed and not talking. Lets

23:12 Speaker 2: everybody come together, sit together around anxiety fixed. We can

23:16 Speaker 2: have some popcorn, take turns reading, and then discuss how

23:19 Speaker 2: we're feeling and what our experience has been.

23:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, that sounds great, and I'm sure that probably everyone

23:26 Speaker 1: can get something out of it, even even people who think,

23:28 Speaker 1: you know, no, I'm good, I'm good, I've I've got

23:30 Speaker 1: I've got this. You know, everything's everything's good. There's probably

23:34 Speaker 1: going to be something in there that they can that

23:36 Speaker 1: they can glean from it that will help themselves or

23:38 Speaker 1: or perhaps to help someone they know, because you know,

23:40 Speaker 1: these problems are so widespread and anxiety is such a

23:44 Speaker 1: such a thing, such a common thing. Obviously, a little

23:47 Speaker 1: bit of anxiety. Tell me, tell me if I'm I

23:50 Speaker 1: try to tell people this, but I'm never sure I'm

23:51 Speaker 1: explaining it right. Tell me if you think, uh, Shannon,

23:54 Speaker 1: if you think I've got this right, a little bit

23:56 Speaker 1: of anxiety is a good thing, right, because you have

23:58 Speaker 1: to have some level of anxiety and stress in order

24:02 Speaker 1: to to push you to do things right, to to

24:06 Speaker 1: to to get you to make sure that you take

24:08 Speaker 1: care of your responsibilities. You know, if you have bills

24:10 Speaker 1: to pay, for example, you know you want to have

24:11 Speaker 1: a little bit of anxiety, like, Okay, I've got to

24:13 Speaker 1: pay that bill. I got to make sure I do

24:15 Speaker 1: this on time. I've got to Uh. If you're a parent,

24:17 Speaker 1: you know, I gotta, I gotta make sure I do

24:19 Speaker 1: this for my kid. I gotta. You know, so a

24:21 Speaker 1: little bit of that's a good thing, right, But but

24:23 Speaker 1: but you don't want it to become too much where

24:25 Speaker 1: you're you're now you're worrying about things that you can't control,

24:28 Speaker 1: and now you're you're you have anxiety about things that

24:32 Speaker 1: to a level where it's actually harming you and not

24:34 Speaker 1: not helping you because a little bit is helpful. You know,

24:37 Speaker 1: we human beings were designed, our brains are designed to

24:41 Speaker 1: want to handle some level of challenge, right, Otherwise we'd

24:44 Speaker 1: be bored to death if everything was easy. But but

24:48 Speaker 1: we don't. But when that anxiety begins to take take

24:51 Speaker 1: us over and and ruin our lives effectively, right, you know,

24:56 Speaker 1: that's that's when we need to really, that's when we

24:59 Speaker 1: need to look at some ways to manage it.

25:02 Speaker 2: I agree with you one thousand percent. You know, definitely

25:05 Speaker 2: there's there's what I call good anxiety and bad anxiety, right, yeah,

25:09 Speaker 2: and so yeah, the bad anxiety is anxiety that has

25:11 Speaker 2: you up at night and you can't fall asleep, or

25:14 Speaker 2: you can't or if you fall asleep, then you keep

25:16 Speaker 2: waking up. You know that's bad anxiety. You know, good

25:19 Speaker 2: anxiety is, Oh, I better be get up and go

25:22 Speaker 2: take my job this morning. You know, let me get

25:23 Speaker 2: up and get my stuff on. You know, that's that's

25:25 Speaker 2: good anxiety. Right. So, certainly the things you mentioned good anxiety.

25:29 Speaker 2: So there is, in my opinion, is good and bad anxiety. Right. So, yeah,

25:35 Speaker 2: we all do live with some level anxiety, and that's

25:38 Speaker 2: certainly how we you know, Oh, let me go out

25:40 Speaker 2: and water the plants today. You know, I've got to

25:42 Speaker 2: do this. Let me make sure this happens. Let me

25:43 Speaker 2: make my list of five things I got to do today, right,

25:46 Speaker 2: So those things are good anxiety for sure. Yeah.

25:49 Speaker 1: Absolutely, Well, Shanna, the time goes quickly. We do need

25:54 Speaker 1: to we need to start to wrap up. But I'm

25:56 Speaker 1: so glad to get to talk to you this morning

25:58 Speaker 1: and in the book The Anxiety Fix. I think it's

26:01 Speaker 1: great everything that you're doing. Please tell our listeners where's

26:05 Speaker 1: the best place to go online, not only to get

26:08 Speaker 1: the book, but to learn more about you. Uh, maybe

26:11 Speaker 1: we have someone who wants to talk to you, maybe

26:13 Speaker 1: they want to schedule something with you. What is the

26:16 Speaker 1: what are the best ways for people to reach you?

26:19 Speaker 2: Sure? The name of the book is Anxiety Fix and

26:23 Speaker 2: you can find it on Amazon and just look up

26:27 Speaker 2: Shanna tray Hann s h a n A t r

26:29 Speaker 2: a h a N. And then of course our website

26:32 Speaker 2: where you can find more information definitely about holistic supports

26:36 Speaker 2: and things like that, and the things that we offer

26:38 Speaker 2: is going to be www if they still allow us

26:42 Speaker 2: to use it. Right tray Hand t r a h

26:47 Speaker 2: a N Therapy t h e r a p Y

26:50 Speaker 2: Houston dot com. So that's tray Hand Therapy Houston dot com.

26:56 Speaker 2: And again, we are in eight states on the East

26:59 Speaker 2: coast and in Idaho, South Carolina, New Mexico, Texas, Louisiana, Delaware,

27:07 Speaker 2: Rhode Island, in New Hampshire. So yeah, just reach out

27:12 Speaker 2: to us. We're there.

27:13 Speaker 1: Outstanding, outstanding, all right, Shanna trey Han, thank you so much. Well,

27:17 Speaker 1: we'll have to do this again in the future. It's

27:19 Speaker 1: been wonderful to speak with you this morning. I really

27:20 Speaker 1: appreciate you joining us, and it's been great to learn

27:23 Speaker 1: about you and learn about the book. And you're doing

27:26 Speaker 1: great things out there in the world, so and we

27:28 Speaker 1: need that, we need that, So thank you so much

27:31 Speaker 1: for joining us today.

27:33 Speaker 2: I appreciate you. Thank you for your time, many blessings

27:36 Speaker 2: and we will talk soon.

27:37 Speaker 1: All right, sounds good, Thanks Shanna, have a great day.

27:40 Speaker 2: Thank you, bub.

27:42 Speaker 1: All right, Shanna Treyhan. Check out her book, The Anxiety Fix,

27:46 Speaker 1: available where well, she mentioned Amazon. Of course that's probably

27:50 Speaker 1: I assume Amazon is a number one place where people

27:53 Speaker 1: get their books. But yeah, wonderful to speak with her.

27:55 Speaker 1: And you know, we focus a lot obviously on the show.

27:59 Speaker 1: We do more interviews with musicians than anybody else. But

28:03 Speaker 1: it's wonderful to get into some of these other areas,

28:05 Speaker 1: especially where I mean partly too. You know, I'm a

28:08 Speaker 1: certified hypnotherapist, so I have a natural interest in these

28:11 Speaker 1: things anyway, and I help people with things like anxiety

28:14 Speaker 1: and stress and whatnot. But it's I think it's great

28:17 Speaker 1: to bring bring on other people to talk about these

28:19 Speaker 1: things too, and definitely check out. You know, she's had

28:21 Speaker 1: an amazing career. We could probably have if we'd had

28:24 Speaker 1: more time, we could have delved more into some of

28:26 Speaker 1: her experiences. But but yeah, check out her book, Shanna Treyhan,

28:30 Speaker 1: The Anxiety Fix