The Punturists | Matt Connarton Unleashed

0:00 Speaker 1: I love it.

0:01 Speaker 2: I just wanted to let it fade out at the end.

0:02 Speaker 2: There that little effect that is everybody's on drugs. The

0:05 Speaker 2: band is the Puncturess and we have entered our number

0:07 Speaker 2: three Newmarrow trace of Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are

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0:18 Speaker 2: to Matt connorton dot com, slash live and today is

0:21 Speaker 2: for you live listeners. January twenty four, twenty twenty six,

0:25 Speaker 2: and we have joining us from the Puncturists.

0:27 Speaker 1: Let me get that volume up here.

0:28 Speaker 2: We've got Dale Farrow, who is the the bass player

0:31 Speaker 2: in the band.

0:32 Speaker 1: Hello, Dale, Hi, Matt, can you hear me? Okay? Absolutely?

0:35 Speaker 2: You sound great? Yeah, absolutely, welcome, Welcome to the show.

0:38 Speaker 2: I'm excited to talk to you. By the way, you

0:40 Speaker 2: know you are a fellow bass player, so I was

0:42 Speaker 2: like talking to another bass player and I love I

0:47 Speaker 2: love the album. I'm not all right, thank you? Yeah,

0:50 Speaker 2: really really good. I listened to the whole thing. That's

0:53 Speaker 2: that's probably my favorite track, which is why I chose

0:55 Speaker 2: it to open the segment. But yeah, great, great stuff.

0:59 Speaker 2: Now where are you from, Dale? Where's the band from?

1:04 Speaker 3: We're based in northern England. Pat and Gale Pats, the

1:09 Speaker 3: guitarist Gales a singer, live in a place called Barnsley,

1:12 Speaker 3: which is just south of Leeds in West Yorkshire. I

1:15 Speaker 3: live in East Yorkshire and the drummer Martin lives on

1:19 Speaker 3: the east coast a place called Grimsby. We're all sort

1:23 Speaker 3: of within an hour and a half of each other,

1:27 Speaker 3: so yeah, Nordon, England.

1:28 Speaker 2: Really so you're a little bit scattered, but not too much.

1:33 Speaker 3: Yeah, I mean, poor old Martin as a longer drive

1:36 Speaker 3: to rehearsal than the rest of us. But yeah, but yeah, yeah,

1:40 Speaker 3: we're not all in one town or anything like that.

1:42 Speaker 1: But but yeah, gotcha, gotcha.

1:45 Speaker 2: Now, The Puncturists has been around, what does it since

1:48 Speaker 2: twenty two?

1:49 Speaker 1: Is that correct? Yeah?

1:52 Speaker 3: I think yes, it's just sort of post COVID. The

1:56 Speaker 3: Pat was previously in a ban call System of Hate

2:00 Speaker 3: and a couple of the members, him and the drummer

2:04 Speaker 3: decided they were going to do something slightly different and

2:06 Speaker 3: formed The Puncturists, and the drummer, Karl was also the singer,

2:13 Speaker 3: but he left and Pat persuaded Gail to come in

2:19 Speaker 3: and sing as lead singer. And this was the first

2:22 Speaker 3: band she'd ever played in and never sang with, so

2:25 Speaker 3: that was quite quite something for her. And I joined

2:30 Speaker 3: where I mean now, I joined in twenty three on

2:34 Speaker 3: the bass, and Martin joined us nearly two years ago,

2:38 Speaker 3: so we in the current format, we've been going nearly

2:42 Speaker 3: two years.

2:43 Speaker 2: So yeah, okay, So it sounds like there's been some

2:45 Speaker 2: some lineup changes over the you know, over a relatively

2:48 Speaker 2: short period of time. Like I said, of the bands

2:50 Speaker 2: I have been around for a few years, but it

2:51 Speaker 2: sounds like it took a while for this current lineup

2:54 Speaker 2: to sort of coalesce.

2:56 Speaker 1: Is that correct?

2:58 Speaker 3: That's right? Yeah, I mean it with a lot of bands,

3:00 Speaker 3: you get that when they first start, you sort of

3:02 Speaker 3: have to settling and everyone sort of gets to know

3:05 Speaker 3: what's what. But we we had issues. We were a

3:08 Speaker 3: little bit spinal tapped with drummers for a while. Not

3:12 Speaker 3: we didn't actually kill any.

3:13 Speaker 1: Or I was gonna say, I hope nobody blew up

3:15 Speaker 1: or anything.

3:17 Speaker 3: But but we we went through a few until we've

3:20 Speaker 3: we've we think we've got the right guy on the

3:24 Speaker 3: drum stool now, so, and like I say, we've been

3:27 Speaker 3: nearly two years we've been in this format, and the

3:30 Speaker 3: album that you've got there, I'm not all right, is

3:32 Speaker 3: the the sort of the the outcome of our first

3:36 Speaker 3: sort of period together as a band.

3:40 Speaker 1: So yeah, and.

3:41 Speaker 3: We're we're all very proud of it as well.

3:44 Speaker 2: In terms of finding Martin to play drums, I'm just

3:48 Speaker 2: curious because this is a subject that comes up a

3:50 Speaker 2: lot on the show, at least with the guests that

3:53 Speaker 2: we have here in America. It seems like, I don't

3:56 Speaker 2: know if it's the same there, but it seems like

3:57 Speaker 2: here every drummer is in like ten different bands because

4:00 Speaker 2: it's so hard to find an actual drummer. And I

4:04 Speaker 2: have theories about why that is. My theory is that

4:06 Speaker 2: you know, when you're growing up and you decide you

4:08 Speaker 2: want to play a musical instrument, we have to have

4:10 Speaker 2: the conversation with your parents about, well, I think I

4:12 Speaker 2: want to play drums, you know that, and maybe the

4:15 Speaker 2: tuba or the two that they're going to try to

4:17 Speaker 2: talk you out of because they don't want all that

4:19 Speaker 2: noise in their house. But I mean, is that is

4:20 Speaker 2: that a challenge there too. Is it hard to find

4:22 Speaker 2: a drummer?

4:23 Speaker 3: It is, yes, to find that the right drummer has

4:29 Speaker 3: been quite difficult. I mean drummers, Like you say, drummers

4:34 Speaker 3: are a rare breed and they're an older to breed

4:36 Speaker 3: as well. You have to have one or two screws

4:41 Speaker 3: slightly loose to one to do it. And I think,

4:43 Speaker 3: and but yeah, it's it's difficult to get the right

4:48 Speaker 3: person at the right time because, like you say, so

4:51 Speaker 3: many people when we were looking and we got marked,

4:55 Speaker 3: had so many people applying and they say, well, I

4:57 Speaker 3: also play in you know, X y z B, and

5:00 Speaker 3: you know, you know, I might not necessarily be available

5:03 Speaker 3: all the time. But fortunately for us, Martin was coming

5:06 Speaker 3: back from a break from drumming. He played for a

5:11 Speaker 3: long time. He's very experienced drummer, but hadn't actually played

5:15 Speaker 3: for sort of seven or eight years, maybe a little

5:16 Speaker 3: bit longer, and had been sort of concentrating on sort

5:21 Speaker 3: of work and real life and things like that that

5:24 Speaker 3: do get in the way, and he decided that he

5:28 Speaker 3: was going to give it one more go. He'd previously

5:30 Speaker 3: been playing oddly in a discos covers band, you know,

5:36 Speaker 3: like a party band, and the clips that he sent

5:39 Speaker 3: us were stuff, you know, sort of from that band,

5:44 Speaker 3: but actually the skills and chopsy you need to play

5:47 Speaker 3: that sort of stuff, you know, you know, are quite something.

5:53 Speaker 3: And he, you know, he impressed us. And you know,

5:55 Speaker 3: as soon as I saw what he'd sent us stuff

5:57 Speaker 3: on YouTube, I said to Pat, We've got to get

5:59 Speaker 3: this guy and have a you know, get him in

6:02 Speaker 3: and have a proper rehearsal with him. See how we

6:05 Speaker 3: get on and we click straight away, and he, you know,

6:08 Speaker 3: he's he That wasn't his type of music he's in.

6:11 Speaker 3: He's a lot more sort of rock and sort of

6:14 Speaker 3: punky type background, even though he hadn't played in a

6:18 Speaker 3: band like hours before or not for Donkeys years. But

6:23 Speaker 3: but you know, he really has fitted in well and

6:25 Speaker 3: it helps particularly. I mean, you as a bass player

6:28 Speaker 3: will know that. You know, we we have to keep

6:30 Speaker 3: our ears and eyes on the drummer at all times.

6:34 Speaker 3: Were the people who hold it all together. Not obviously

6:38 Speaker 3: not trying to sound like you know that with the backbone.

6:41 Speaker 1: But we are we are bass players are tarists and singers.

6:46 Speaker 3: You know, we'd be lost without us. But but yeah,

6:49 Speaker 3: it's nice to actually be on stage without having to

6:52 Speaker 3: worry about what's going on behind me, and he enables,

6:58 Speaker 3: you know, he enables you to sort of relax into

7:01 Speaker 3: a gig and you know, feel confident that everything's going

7:06 Speaker 3: to be okay, whereas occasionally before that wasn't the case.

7:11 Speaker 2: Right right now, I'm not alright. The album on dad

7:15 Speaker 2: Swan Records, which is is this a label that the

7:18 Speaker 2: puncturists created specifically for other puncturists, Dad Swine Records, It.

7:22 Speaker 3: Is, yes, Yeah, it's not the first. We got a

7:27 Speaker 3: few releases. We've got a live album and that was

7:30 Speaker 3: a Yeah, there's a live album that came out just

7:35 Speaker 3: about fifteen months ago, which is called Fox. There's a

7:38 Speaker 3: newt which was recorded a pub in Leeds called The

7:42 Speaker 3: Fox and Newt. And there's also an EP with about

7:49 Speaker 3: six or seven songs which the original lineup did. So

7:53 Speaker 3: that was before Gail started to sing, and I still

7:56 Speaker 3: want to one or two of the songs on that

7:58 Speaker 3: that we still do, although differently. But so, yeah, there's

8:03 Speaker 3: there's a there's a few things on Dead Swan Records.

8:05 Speaker 3: If people want to look up Dead swe records on

8:07 Speaker 3: bang camp, they can, but yeah, that's our that's our label.

8:12 Speaker 2: So yeah, Now the songs that you did before a

8:15 Speaker 2: Gale was was the lead singer, do those songs continue

8:19 Speaker 2: like does Gale sing them in the new or did

8:21 Speaker 2: you leave those songs behind.

8:22 Speaker 3: Or mostly but there's there are a couple that we do,

8:27 Speaker 3: two or three that we've adapted for for Gale and

8:32 Speaker 3: and she's put her own stamp on them.

8:34 Speaker 1: So yeah, that's really so yeah.

8:38 Speaker 3: So you know, but we are increasingly going forward with

8:44 Speaker 3: the songs like you've heard on the album, like you've

8:47 Speaker 3: just heard with Everybody's on drugs, and we're currently in

8:51 Speaker 3: in a writing phase of for for new songs going

8:55 Speaker 3: forward as well.

8:56 Speaker 1: Do the songs come quickly?

8:58 Speaker 2: I'm curious because there's there's kind of an immediate see

9:00 Speaker 2: to the songs, and maybe it's because it's got that

9:02 Speaker 2: sort of the DIY garage band vibe, but I mean,

9:05 Speaker 2: do the do the songs come together pretty quickly?

9:08 Speaker 1: Do you all do you all kind of write together?

9:10 Speaker 2: Do you all gem and stuff together and see what happens?

9:12 Speaker 2: Or what's the songwriting process like in the band?

9:16 Speaker 3: Mostly it's part that comes up with the original ideas

9:19 Speaker 3: and he quite often well sort of he's quite prolific

9:24 Speaker 3: in what he brings, you know, brings to the table.

9:27 Speaker 3: And I'll get sometimes I'll have two or three things

9:29 Speaker 3: up here in my in books in a week, and

9:32 Speaker 3: he says, oh, what do you think to this? And

9:33 Speaker 3: what do you think to that? And and then I'll

9:37 Speaker 3: have a listen and sort of suggest, you know, different

9:40 Speaker 3: arrangements or maybe stick a different you know, put a

9:43 Speaker 3: middle eight in here, or we'll change the the intro,

9:47 Speaker 3: or we'll we'll you know, do something about it. I mean,

9:50 Speaker 3: others we just sit there and say, naw, that ain't

9:52 Speaker 3: gonna work for us. But but but because he comes, Yeah,

9:56 Speaker 3: there's so many ideas we work with that. And then

10:00 Speaker 3: once the two of us have sort of come up

10:02 Speaker 3: with you know, we've okay those sorts of things, we'll

10:05 Speaker 3: then take them, you know, to rehearsal and get them going.

10:09 Speaker 3: I've written a couple that were just me on the album,

10:16 Speaker 3: but he's mainly part okay, okay.

10:20 Speaker 2: And then I'm curious too about you know, the songs

10:23 Speaker 2: are kind of funny, as some of them are. I mean,

10:27 Speaker 2: is that is that an important element to you to

10:30 Speaker 2: have in the band, Like you know, everybody's on drugs

10:32 Speaker 2: or There's another song that I'm gonna play at the

10:34 Speaker 2: end of the segment that is my personal favorite from

10:36 Speaker 2: the album because it's as a musician.

10:39 Speaker 1: It's very relatable.

10:40 Speaker 2: They don't pay support bands, which I absolutely love that song,

10:46 Speaker 2: you know, and I'm listening to I don't play anymore,

10:47 Speaker 2: but I used to play in a lot of bands,

10:49 Speaker 2: and it's like, yep, I get it.

10:52 Speaker 3: Yeah, that that that you know, that that the lyrics

10:54 Speaker 3: to that do come from you know, hard experience.

10:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, is that it an important element to you

11:01 Speaker 2: guys to have, you know, to have some humor, and

11:03 Speaker 2: there's you know, there's sort of that right humor in

11:05 Speaker 2: a lot of these songs. Is that something you do

11:07 Speaker 2: consciously in terms of how you approach it or does

11:10 Speaker 2: that just come out organically.

11:12 Speaker 3: I think it comes out organically because because that's just

11:15 Speaker 3: what we are. But you know, particularly you know, they

11:20 Speaker 3: say Pat sort of writes a lot of the lyrics

11:24 Speaker 3: and the things that I think it helps to get

11:29 Speaker 3: your message across, or even just the the meaning of

11:35 Speaker 3: the song across if you can also make people smile,

11:38 Speaker 3: because that's one of the things that makes things memorable

11:41 Speaker 3: apart from just a catchy chorus is actually something that

11:44 Speaker 3: makes you chuckle or makes you think, oh, I wasn't

11:47 Speaker 3: expecting that, you know then, And I think that's one

11:51 Speaker 3: of the things that gives us a little bit of

11:53 Speaker 3: an edge and why people have liked a lot of

11:57 Speaker 3: the material. A lot of the songs on the album,

11:59 Speaker 3: like you say, have got that little bit of sort

12:03 Speaker 3: of sideways look or a little wink to camera type thing,

12:07 Speaker 3: isn't it. So so yeah, we do that, but I

12:10 Speaker 3: mean there are others that are out and out, you know,

12:15 Speaker 3: not fun not laughs, but you know, we want to

12:18 Speaker 3: try and get across, but hopefully it's still enjoyable.

12:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely.

12:23 Speaker 3: But it's not you know, we don't deliberately go out

12:25 Speaker 3: of our way to make things sort of comedic, ye,

12:28 Speaker 3: but there's no harm in there being a little bit

12:31 Speaker 3: of humor and a little bit of a rhinous to it.

12:36 Speaker 2: So yeah, I like to use the sex Pistols and

12:38 Speaker 2: as an example of doing that really well, you know, like,

12:41 Speaker 2: you know, here's this band who you know, they weren't

12:43 Speaker 2: necessarily trying to be funny, but you listen to a

12:46 Speaker 2: song like God Save the Queen and you can't help

12:49 Speaker 2: but laugh.

12:50 Speaker 3: You know what I mean, well, yeah, because there are

12:53 Speaker 3: there are you know two there are more than one

12:56 Speaker 3: meaning to elements of the lyrics in that, so that, yeah,

13:00 Speaker 3: it makes it memorable because at.

13:02 Speaker 1: That right right exactly exactly.

13:04 Speaker 3: So you're taking you're taking that well known phrase God

13:07 Speaker 3: Save the Queen and or giving it a twist mm hm.

13:10 Speaker 3: And you know that that's always a good thing because

13:13 Speaker 3: somebody's already come up with that idea and it's already

13:16 Speaker 3: in people's heads, right if you're then using it yourself

13:19 Speaker 3: or you're doing like everybody's on drugs, you know, that's

13:22 Speaker 3: something that when you all automatically think about it, well

13:26 Speaker 3: everybody's on drugs, must mean everyone's on illegal drugs and

13:30 Speaker 3: they're shooting up. Well that where it actually means is

13:33 Speaker 3: people are living a life where just to keep them

13:36 Speaker 3: going there that you know, they're being supported by what

13:39 Speaker 3: they're getting from their doctors or what they're getting over

13:41 Speaker 3: the counter of the chemist or it could be you

13:44 Speaker 3: know as well as you know what they're getting from

13:47 Speaker 3: their dealers on the corner. So there's more to the

13:51 Speaker 3: one phrase than just the one element.

13:54 Speaker 2: Right right, absolutely, And then so what's the touring situation,

13:58 Speaker 2: Like you guys playing a lot of shows.

14:00 Speaker 3: At the moment, we're not we're currently on a bit

14:03 Speaker 3: of a break gale. Just before Christmas underwent a knee

14:08 Speaker 3: replacement operation, so she's currently just get sort of starting

14:13 Speaker 3: to properly get out on the feet again. So we

14:17 Speaker 3: took we're taking some time out and we don't start

14:20 Speaker 3: gigging again until April, but we need she needs to,

14:25 Speaker 3: you know, make sure that she gets sort of fitting

14:27 Speaker 3: well and is able to bounce around on stage again

14:30 Speaker 3: like a good'n so that in that time we are

14:34 Speaker 3: sort of writing some new songs. We will be starting

14:37 Speaker 3: to rehearse those sort of in the next month or so.

14:42 Speaker 3: We you know, depending on how she is, we may

14:44 Speaker 3: start to gig earlier than that. But we've got quite

14:47 Speaker 3: a good calendar of you know, diary for the year.

14:50 Speaker 1: Good.

14:51 Speaker 3: We're playing the thirtieth anniversary Rebellion Festival in Blackpool, which

14:57 Speaker 3: is the big punk festival in the UK. Wow, there's

15:01 Speaker 3: an awful there's a lot of sort of bands. They've

15:06 Speaker 3: got a lot of bands from the States coming over there.

15:08 Speaker 3: There's all sorts of people that from all over the

15:10 Speaker 3: world coming to that. That is a big, big festival.

15:14 Speaker 3: That's over three four days in August. We've got a

15:20 Speaker 3: festival in Scotland in May called Punk on the Peninsula,

15:26 Speaker 3: which is just outside Glasgow, and we've got, you know,

15:32 Speaker 3: a nice healthy sort of diary of gigs once we

15:36 Speaker 3: do start going again, and we hope during all that

15:40 Speaker 3: we will get a good another selection of songs that

15:45 Speaker 3: we will have another album maybe before the end of

15:48 Speaker 3: the year. You never know, depends on I mean, we

15:51 Speaker 3: don't know. A lot of them haven't been road tested yet,

15:53 Speaker 3: and sure what we think might work. When you then

15:56 Speaker 3: play them in front of people, they're sitting there scratching

15:58 Speaker 3: their heads and what's going on all they go absolutely

16:01 Speaker 3: bonkers and love it so right right, Yeah, you have

16:04 Speaker 3: to you know, you have to you know, trust the

16:07 Speaker 3: audience and see what's gonna what's gonna work.

16:12 Speaker 2: It's great too that you're doing festivals because you know,

16:16 Speaker 2: this comes up a lot on the show. I really

16:18 Speaker 2: think that's that's the most valuable thing you can do

16:21 Speaker 2: in terms of playing live, because you know, festivals not

16:23 Speaker 2: only do you get do you get exposed to an

16:26 Speaker 2: audience that might not otherwise see you, but also the

16:30 Speaker 2: you know, backstage, just the connections that you can make

16:33 Speaker 2: in terms of meeting other industry people, whether it's just

16:36 Speaker 2: other bands or or or people who you know, you really,

16:39 Speaker 2: I mean, the networking opportunity that comes with playing a

16:42 Speaker 2: festival is unparalleled, you know what I mean. So that's great, Yeah.

16:46 Speaker 3: Very much so.

16:47 Speaker 1: Yeah.

16:47 Speaker 3: And not only do you make sort of connections that

16:51 Speaker 3: are good for the band, you also you know, you

16:53 Speaker 3: do make good friends from these because you know, you're

16:56 Speaker 3: all in it together. Yeah, And you you realize is

17:00 Speaker 3: that you know, lots and lots of people are you know,

17:02 Speaker 3: they're all good people, and you've sort of got a

17:04 Speaker 3: lot of shared experience and you will automatically get on

17:08 Speaker 3: with a lot of people, right, which is very you know,

17:11 Speaker 3: which is which is a nice part of doing this

17:14 Speaker 3: sort of thing, whereas you know, it's it's not just

17:16 Speaker 3: turn up, play, pack up, go. You know, you're turning

17:19 Speaker 3: up meeting people that you have a good time with

17:23 Speaker 3: and they're but the festival's definitely the big festivals like

17:27 Speaker 3: Rebellion are very good for bands like ourselves for the

17:30 Speaker 3: exposure you might be sort of playing the rest of

17:34 Speaker 3: the year to you know, much much smaller venues, much

17:37 Speaker 3: much smaller crowds, but you're suddenly playing in front of

17:41 Speaker 3: ten twenty times the amount of people you normally would,

17:45 Speaker 3: and yet you know that can't be bad.

17:47 Speaker 1: No, not at all, not at all.

17:48 Speaker 2: So I have saved the Sometimes I go for the

17:51 Speaker 2: most obvious question right up front, but I kind of

17:54 Speaker 2: saved at this time. The name the Puncturists. Where does

17:57 Speaker 2: that come from? What is the meaning of the name.

18:02 Speaker 3: I'm not sure how they came up with it, because

18:04 Speaker 3: they got the back the name before I actually started,

18:07 Speaker 3: but the Puncturists. The first EP that I mentioned earlier

18:11 Speaker 3: was actually called the punk Tourists. So, you know, so

18:15 Speaker 3: the punk tourists or puncturists. You know, I'm not sure

18:18 Speaker 3: which came first, punk tourists or puncturists, and they decided

18:21 Speaker 3: to to to put you know, decided to use that,

18:27 Speaker 3: but puncturists and also something where you're sort of going

18:29 Speaker 3: along and you're sort of puncturing people's you know, ideas,

18:34 Speaker 3: you know, coming along and sort of jabbing your needle

18:37 Speaker 3: into their balloon.

18:38 Speaker 1: You know.

18:38 Speaker 3: It's one of those names that's got lots of potential meanings,

18:42 Speaker 3: have different meanings for different people, but it's also quite

18:45 Speaker 3: memorable and you know it's quite you know, that's a

18:49 Speaker 3: nice name.

18:50 Speaker 1: Yeah.

18:51 Speaker 3: One of the hardest I mean you said you've been

18:53 Speaker 3: in bands. One of the hardest things being in a

18:55 Speaker 3: band when you first start is what do you call yourself?

18:58 Speaker 1: Oh?

18:58 Speaker 3: Yeah, because you'll come up and there'll be some absolutely

19:02 Speaker 3: terrible things that people come up with, and and you think, oh,

19:05 Speaker 3: that's a good idea until you see it either written

19:07 Speaker 3: down or someone else says it, and you think, nah,

19:09 Speaker 3: that ain't gonna work.

19:11 Speaker 1: Well.

19:11 Speaker 2: Well, not only that, the other challenge is finding something

19:14 Speaker 2: that that somebody isn't already using.

19:16 Speaker 1: You know, yes, and you don't.

19:18 Speaker 2: You don't want to find yourself in a position where

19:20 Speaker 2: you know, you establish a name and you're you know,

19:22 Speaker 2: you're you're doing it, and you're you're getting somewhere with it,

19:24 Speaker 2: and then all of a sudden you find out, you know,

19:26 Speaker 2: somebody else already has the name.

19:27 Speaker 1: I've I've told this story on the show.

19:29 Speaker 2: I have a friend, Uh the friend some people will

19:32 Speaker 2: know him, but I'll leave I'll leave his name out

19:34 Speaker 2: of it.

19:34 Speaker 1: I don't want to embarrass him.

19:35 Speaker 2: But years ago, uh, this individual wasn't a band called

19:41 Speaker 2: I ran into him after not seeing him for a while,

19:42 Speaker 2: and he told me about a new band that he

19:44 Speaker 2: was in called Intuition. And he said the name to me,

19:47 Speaker 2: and I'm thinking, oh, my god, Intuition, how many other

19:50 Speaker 2: bands are already using or have used that name? And

19:53 Speaker 2: then swear to God true story. I ran into him again,

19:57 Speaker 2: like a month later or two months later, and I

19:59 Speaker 2: asked him, you know, how's the band and he said, oh, good,

20:01 Speaker 2: but we had to change our name. We got to

20:03 Speaker 2: see some assist letter from a band already using the

20:06 Speaker 2: name Intuition, and I was like, oh, that's too bad.

20:09 Speaker 2: And you know, but in my mind, you know, and

20:10 Speaker 2: I'm too polite to say it, but in my mind,

20:12 Speaker 2: I'm thinking, well, yeah, of course you did. You know.

20:18 Speaker 1: Yeah.

20:18 Speaker 3: I mean it's like the first bands I was in

20:20 Speaker 3: when we were at school. We were sort of like

20:23 Speaker 3: really enthusiastic sixteen year olds and we said, right, we're

20:26 Speaker 3: going to call ourselves reflex and like the one hundred

20:29 Speaker 3: thousand other bands called Reflekes.

20:31 Speaker 1: No, yeah, but you don't know that.

20:34 Speaker 3: When you know, you the enthusiasm takes over and you

20:38 Speaker 3: think it's a good idea. Oh yeah, I don't think

20:40 Speaker 3: there's any other puncturists.

20:42 Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go, there you go. Yeah.

20:44 Speaker 2: For a second there, I was worried you are going

20:46 Speaker 2: to tell me I was saying it wrong and that

20:47 Speaker 2: it actually is punk tourists and I've been pronouncing it

20:49 Speaker 2: wrong this whole time.

20:50 Speaker 3: I was like, oh, oh, say it however you like.

20:53 Speaker 3: But no, puncturists is how we how we say it? Yeah?

20:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, No, I've been learning a lot, uh, you know,

21:00 Speaker 2: talking to people from from your part of the world.

21:03 Speaker 2: You know, we have we have a lot of guests

21:04 Speaker 2: from there on the show, and I love the music

21:06 Speaker 2: that comes out of there. But I just learned I

21:08 Speaker 2: just learned yesterday from a friend of mine who's British.

21:10 Speaker 1: You know, pants that.

21:12 Speaker 2: I guess over there, Like if you want to express

21:14 Speaker 2: this approval for something but you don't want to swear,

21:16 Speaker 2: you say pants.

21:18 Speaker 1: Is that correct? Or if she's just messing with me,

21:20 Speaker 1: you can no, no, you can do.

21:21 Speaker 3: Oh, that's that's complete. Usually it's when something is complete pants,

21:24 Speaker 3: so that you complete rubbish or garbage or whatever. Oh,

21:27 Speaker 3: that's that's that's total pants.

21:29 Speaker 1: You know.

21:30 Speaker 3: Okay, yeah, pants, Pants to us aren't trousers. Pants are

21:33 Speaker 3: the underwear.

21:34 Speaker 1: So oh okay, right, right, Yeah, that makes sense.

21:38 Speaker 3: Yeah, so so it's yeah, it's like and I mean

21:41 Speaker 3: people also say nickers in in the in the UK,

21:45 Speaker 3: which again is another word for underwear that I've heard

21:48 Speaker 3: that pants. Yeah, something's a bit pants. It's not a

21:52 Speaker 3: very strong. It's something that's a little bit not very good.

21:56 Speaker 3: If it was really bad, then it would be worse

21:59 Speaker 3: than pants. There's just a little bit rubbish. She's a

22:01 Speaker 3: bit patterned.

22:04 Speaker 1: I've been learning a lot. Yeah, uh, now this is great. Yeah.

22:08 Speaker 2: In the first hour, we had a guest. Uh see,

22:10 Speaker 2: now I'm gonna say his name wrong. Uh, Ca Hall fits.

22:14 Speaker 2: It's an Irish name, and I and I but I

22:17 Speaker 2: had to look up how to say it. And then

22:19 Speaker 2: he told me I was saying it correctly, although he

22:20 Speaker 2: might have just been being nice, but you know, because

22:23 Speaker 2: it's c A T H A L and you know,

22:26 Speaker 2: and I'm of Irish descent so I should know, but

22:28 Speaker 2: I didn't know. And he said I was saying it right.

22:30 Speaker 2: That I guess the tea is silent and it's Ca Hall.

22:33 Speaker 2: But you know, being a being a dude from America,

22:36 Speaker 2: you know, I'm learning a lot. Yeah, but so what

22:41 Speaker 2: so Gail, so Gail's obviously out of commission temporarily, but

22:45 Speaker 2: you said April you're going to get back to playing.

22:48 Speaker 3: Yeah, uh yeah, we're first one needs towards the end

22:52 Speaker 3: of April. Then we're sort of failing NonStop to the

22:55 Speaker 3: end of the year. But like I say, if if

22:59 Speaker 3: Gail sort of stuff to feel a little bit more

23:04 Speaker 3: able to sort of stand for, you know, while we

23:07 Speaker 3: might fix something else in before then so we may

23:10 Speaker 3: be end of March, but you know, we've got to

23:13 Speaker 3: make sure that she gets properly better. I mean, it's

23:15 Speaker 3: having a knee replacement, isn't isn't a small operation?

23:18 Speaker 1: So no, no, jeez, I can imagine. Wow.

23:21 Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Dale, So where's the best place for people

23:25 Speaker 2: to go to keep up with everything that the puncture is,

23:28 Speaker 2: everything that you're doing and as far as getting your

23:30 Speaker 2: music and everything you know, you did mention band camp

23:32 Speaker 2: and and uh, by the way, I encourage I love

23:35 Speaker 2: band camp because that's what a lot of people don't

23:38 Speaker 2: realize about band camp is if you get if you

23:40 Speaker 2: get your music from there, you're getting a higher quality file.

23:43 Speaker 2: Then say, if you're just streaming it on YouTube or

23:46 Speaker 2: you know, and in some cases even Spotify, Like with

23:49 Speaker 2: band Camp, you're getting really the highest quality file you

23:52 Speaker 2: can get.

23:53 Speaker 3: It's the it is the best quality that you can

23:56 Speaker 3: get from a sort of a a streaming all down

24:00 Speaker 3: load service. Yeah, because you sort of tend to you

24:03 Speaker 3: upload sort of WAB files and things like that, where

24:05 Speaker 3: as you get a more compressed, smaller file on a

24:08 Speaker 3: lot of other services, and that you know, it's it

24:14 Speaker 3: just is that little bit better. But actually to find

24:18 Speaker 3: us sort of keeping up with sort of the new,

24:20 Speaker 3: I mean, there is a we do have a website,

24:24 Speaker 3: and I shall have to make sure it's I'll tell

24:26 Speaker 3: you the right address for that in a minute. But

24:31 Speaker 3: but yeah, I mean on Facebook is where you mostly

24:35 Speaker 3: find our sort of up to date and where things

24:37 Speaker 3: are changing and happening and what's going on. Yeah, website

24:43 Speaker 3: is w w W puncturists dot com. Not to the puncturists,

24:48 Speaker 3: so it's just puncturists dot com and yeah Facebook, if

24:54 Speaker 3: you look at look for the Puncturists, you'll find us.

24:58 Speaker 3: Band Camp were dead on records, and you can find

25:03 Speaker 3: us streaming. We are on Spotify and Apple Music and

25:08 Speaker 3: all those sorts of things YouTube music and that. So

25:12 Speaker 3: it's just so you know, people can find us all

25:16 Speaker 3: over the place whatever they particularly use nowadays, and of

25:20 Speaker 3: course with on bank camp you can find our you

25:25 Speaker 3: can order the hard copies of things. So we do

25:29 Speaker 3: have CDs and whenever we gig then we have a

25:34 Speaker 3: merch store where you can buy CDs, t shirts and

25:38 Speaker 3: all sorts of little bits of paraphernalia.

25:40 Speaker 2: So yeah, yeah, absolutely, And the website's good too. I'm

25:44 Speaker 2: a website nerd and I do like the website puncturists

25:47 Speaker 2: dot com. I see, I see a lot of bad websites,

25:49 Speaker 2: but this is a good, good site. It's well organized,

25:52 Speaker 2: the layouts nice. Yeah, that's it's It's so important. I

25:55 Speaker 2: don't think people, not everyone realize how important it is

25:58 Speaker 2: to have a really you know, easy to have gate

26:01 Speaker 2: you know, visually attractive but not overwhelming website. You know,

26:06 Speaker 2: there's a lot of nuance to it. But no, this

26:08 Speaker 2: is a this is a good site. So puncturists dot com, yep, Dale,

26:13 Speaker 2: this has been wonderful. I really appreciate you joining us,

26:15 Speaker 2: and you know, we'll certainly have you back on as

26:16 Speaker 2: you release new music. It sounds like you've got some

26:18 Speaker 2: new stuff coming. Yeah, in a moment, we're gonna end

26:22 Speaker 2: the conversation with this track. This is my one of

26:25 Speaker 2: my favorites from the album They Don't Pay Support Bands.

26:27 Speaker 2: I love this song. Anything we should know about it

26:29 Speaker 2: before we play it, I mean we kind of touched

26:31 Speaker 2: on it already. But maybe it's self explanatory, I don't know.

26:33 Speaker 2: But anything we should know about this song, I don't

26:36 Speaker 2: know if maybe it's maybe it relates to a specific

26:39 Speaker 2: experience that you had as a band, or.

26:41 Speaker 3: It's well it's not one specific experience, but all of

26:45 Speaker 3: the different elements that you can hear that where have

26:50 Speaker 3: all happened in one place or another. We know where

26:54 Speaker 3: it talks about. You know, the support band has to

26:57 Speaker 3: sort of turn up hurts, you know, hours before the event,

27:01 Speaker 3: provide the back line, and you know, the main band

27:05 Speaker 3: are sort of sort of stroll into town. They're getting paid,

27:08 Speaker 3: you know, silly amount of money, and the drummer says,

27:11 Speaker 3: and I haven't got me kick, can I use yours?

27:13 Speaker 3: And yeah, all that sort of thing, you know, And

27:15 Speaker 3: then you know others where you've got promoters who will

27:19 Speaker 3: sort of put you on that right, you've got to

27:21 Speaker 3: be here and you've got to be off in two seconds,

27:24 Speaker 3: you know, otherwise the you know you won't you know,

27:29 Speaker 3: never see you ever again. I'll make sure you never

27:31 Speaker 3: work in this town sort of thing, you know. You know,

27:34 Speaker 3: it's just, you know, we're fortunate now that a lot

27:39 Speaker 3: of the places we play, the promoters are actually sort

27:42 Speaker 3: of considerate and they know that the effort that people

27:46 Speaker 3: go to and they do look after you. I mean,

27:49 Speaker 3: we don't you know, massive amounts of money from it

27:53 Speaker 3: or anything like that. You don't. Yeah, we don't expect too.

27:55 Speaker 3: If you are the support band, however, support bands who

27:59 Speaker 3: get looked half, I'm more likely to say that was

28:02 Speaker 3: a good experience. You know, if you get the chance

28:04 Speaker 3: to play for this particular promoter or that particular venue,

28:09 Speaker 3: then do it. Likewise, if you have a really bad experience,

28:13 Speaker 3: that gets around very quickly to bands, and you'll have

28:16 Speaker 3: places wondering why they can't attract bands, right, well, we

28:20 Speaker 3: know why they can't. Then here's a song all about it.

28:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly exactly, So we'll hit that track in a moment,

28:28 Speaker 2: So we'll let you go. Dale Pharaoh from the Puncturists,

28:31 Speaker 2: thank you so much for joining us today, and I

28:33 Speaker 2: look forward to hearing new music from you and and

28:35 Speaker 2: we'll talk again in the future for sure.

28:37 Speaker 3: So thank you so much, Thank you, Matt. It's lovely

28:40 Speaker 3: to chat speak to you again. Seeing hey bye sounds,

28:43 Speaker 3: good bye bye all right.

28:45 Speaker 2: That is Dale Pharaoh, bass player from the band The Puncturists, And.

28:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, this is a great track.

28:50 Speaker 2: And you know, a lot of a lot of people

28:52 Speaker 2: in the music industry and a lot of bands, a

28:53 Speaker 2: lot of and soul artists too, listen to the show.

28:57 Speaker 2: I'm well aware of what our sort of core audience

28:59 Speaker 2: is with this program, so this will be highly relatable

29:03 Speaker 2: for many of you. But this is such a great song.

29:06 Speaker 2: This is called they don't pay support bands, and the

29:08 Speaker 2: band is The Puncturists.