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The trouble with Pete Hegseth | Matt Connarton Unleashed
Speaker 1: Doug Wilson, this guy who I didn't even really know
Speaker 1: about until recently, but apparently he is.
Speaker 2: Pete.
Speaker 1: Why, Pete, what's up?
Speaker 2: You know why? Because you're not a woman.
Speaker 1: Well, Pete haig Seth, who is, of course our secretary
Speaker 1: of Defense, is a member of Doug Wilson's church. And
Speaker 1: I guess recently uh shared out I should Uh, I
Speaker 1: should grab the Yeah, grab grab the video here of
Speaker 1: the we could play the ap story.
Speaker 3: Defense Secretary Pete haig Seth recently made headlines when he
Speaker 3: shared a C and N video on social media about
Speaker 3: the Communion of Reformed Evangelical Churches, an arch conservative network
Speaker 3: of Christian congregations where he's a member. The video included
Speaker 3: its pastors arguing women should not have the right to vote.
Speaker 4: I was very grateful to him for doing that. He
Speaker 4: didn't just repost it like, oh, here's an interesting thing
Speaker 4: that these weird people are doing. Uh. He reposted it
Speaker 4: and he himself said all of Christ for all of life,
Speaker 4: which is the tagline that we use.
Speaker 1: So now, by the way, if Pete hag Seth had
Speaker 1: said this is an interesting thing that these weird people
Speaker 1: are doing, that would have been appropriate. But he did
Speaker 1: not say that. He seems to be expressing support for
Speaker 1: Pastor Wilson, And again, what's that.
Speaker 2: It's more than that.
Speaker 1: More than that, Yeah, more than that because.
Speaker 5: That statement that he made, Yeah, that that statement is
Speaker 5: is not just like something he's pulling out of thin air.
Speaker 5: That statement refers to the belief that first we get
Speaker 5: the Christian nation, then we get the Christian constant, then
Speaker 5: we go for the world.
Speaker 2: They want a Christian world.
Speaker 5: The ultimate endgame is to convert everybody right a little.
Speaker 4: More reposting it and saying amen at some level.
Speaker 3: Pastor Doug Wilson, the network's co founder, is no stranger
Speaker 3: to controversy with his church's embrace of patriarchy and Christian nationalism.
Speaker 3: They are a network of all one hundred and thirty
Speaker 3: churches and have recently opened a new church in Washington,
Speaker 3: d C. With heg Seth attending its first Sunday service.
Speaker 4: This is the first time we've had connections with as
Speaker 4: many people in national government as we do now. But
Speaker 4: this is not this is not an ecclesiastical lobbying effort
Speaker 4: where we're trying to meet important people. We're trying to
Speaker 4: give some of these people an opportunity to meet with God.
Speaker 3: Wilson's church in the wider network believe in practice.
Speaker 1: The idea I would like a chance to meet with God.
Speaker 1: I mean I have questions, you know, like I've always
Speaker 1: wondered what does he look like? And does he have
Speaker 1: a long white beer?
Speaker 3: Men and women have different roles, and women should not
Speaker 3: hold church leadership positions.
Speaker 4: My wife votes, my daughters vote. If people rush to
Speaker 4: conclusions from what they heard on the CNN piece, that's
Speaker 4: a sad thing. At the same time, I think that
Speaker 4: the Nineteenth Amendment was a bad idea, and I had
Speaker 4: no problem with how Pastor Jared answered the question. I
Speaker 4: would support that. Our issue is not is not a
Speaker 4: problem with the enfranchisement of women. Our problem is with
Speaker 4: the disenfranchisement of the household.
Speaker 1: Now, just to clarify what he means, his position and
Speaker 1: the position of the church is that there should be
Speaker 1: one vote per household, and of course the person casting
Speaker 1: the vote would be the head of the household. And
Speaker 1: I think we all know when we refer to the
Speaker 1: head of the household, we know who Pastor Wilson has
Speaker 1: in mind. Right, men, that's right, that's not too clear.
Speaker 3: Follow his Church's example.
Speaker 4: So in our church elections, households vote, and that includes
Speaker 4: some women as heads of households. But ordinarily, when you
Speaker 4: have a conservative Christian family, the head of the household
Speaker 4: is the is the husband and father, and he's the
Speaker 4: one who casts the vote. But he's voting on behalf
Speaker 4: of the whole household. The issue is not keeping females
Speaker 4: from voting. The issue for us is we want households
Speaker 4: to have a say.
Speaker 1: There is a little bit of a loophole in there
Speaker 1: for him because you know, he because I think in
Speaker 1: a separate piece and a longer video, or it might
Speaker 1: even even been because we did watch the piece on CNN,
Speaker 1: which by the way, Doug Wilson did acknowledge that he
Speaker 1: thought it was fair. He definitely a lot of them
Speaker 1: that it was fair. Yeah, it was fair and balanced
Speaker 1: because they did present all sides. But but the loophole
Speaker 1: being see, he can say, he can say, we're not
Speaker 1: saying we oppose women voting, because uh, he sort of
Speaker 1: acknowledges that not every household, you know, so for example,
Speaker 1: if you have a household where there's a mom, but
Speaker 1: but the father has passed away, for that's.
Speaker 2: What he said Yeah, it's a widow. You get to vote.
Speaker 1: So that's why he gets to say that. That's why
Speaker 1: he can say.
Speaker 2: Well, we're not opposed to women. VI. What's that there's
Speaker 2: no divorce in that kind of Christianity.
Speaker 1: Well, that's true. But but if somebody die, like if.
Speaker 5: You watch the full CNN and they also have an
Speaker 5: extended version if you go on YouTube, Yeah, is the
Speaker 5: full thirty minute version that has all. But they interview
Speaker 5: a couple of the heads of his church and they
Speaker 5: reiterate the belief that men are in charge, women are
Speaker 5: subservient and if that's not enough for you to believe it,
Speaker 5: they then go to a couple and the woman openly says,
Speaker 5: I am subservient to him, that she's submissive. She used
Speaker 5: the word submissive, that she's submissive to him.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is.
Speaker 5: Part of the control and this crazy Christianity. Right, where
Speaker 5: as a woman, you are less than the man. You're
Speaker 5: not as smart as the man. God didn't build you
Speaker 5: to carry this load, this weight. Don't let your husband
Speaker 5: handle those the household difficulty things. You know, you you
Speaker 5: keep the house, you raise the kid, but you don't
Speaker 5: make decisions. You know, you can have an opinion, but
Speaker 5: the ultimate decision is made by.
Speaker 2: The man right, and it is.
Speaker 5: And as a woman, I was once married for a
Speaker 5: very long time in and there was a time in
Speaker 5: my life when I had converted to Christianity and believed
Speaker 5: in a very strict Christianity.
Speaker 1: And a strict version of it. We should just be clear,
Speaker 1: just to be fair. I don't think a majority of
Speaker 1: Christians actually would follow Doug Wilson, but Pete second. But
Speaker 1: a member, a high ranking member of our government does.
Speaker 1: And that's why we're talking about this just to.
Speaker 5: Me exactly, Yeah, because I want people to like, this
Speaker 5: is a it's it's it's a it's like getting infected
Speaker 5: with something right. And you, as a woman, you firmly
Speaker 5: believe that you're doing what God is telling you to do,
Speaker 5: and you want to go to heaven.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: So I believed that if I wasn't a godly woman,
Speaker 5: I wouldn't get to see the people that I loved Again.
Speaker 5: I was very attached to that idea of being able
Speaker 5: to see the people that I loved who died, and
Speaker 5: the idea of that not being real was so devastating
Speaker 5: to me that the first time somebody really challenged me
Speaker 5: on it. I collapsed and just bawled my eyes out,
Speaker 5: and it was like, but if you're right, there's nothing.
Speaker 2: If I'm right, I get to be with the people
Speaker 2: I love.
Speaker 5: Yeah, So any suffer that I am enduring in this
Speaker 5: world is required of me to get the.
Speaker 2: Reward of going to heaven.
Speaker 5: So whenever my husband had done or said or made
Speaker 5: certain rules or whatever that I followed, that's where it.
Speaker 2: Was coming from. And it was a very very strong.
Speaker 5: I was a Sunday school teacher. We went to church
Speaker 5: every Sunday. I read the Bible.
Speaker 2: I had a woman's study guides.
Speaker 5: I can remember going to I would volunteer for at
Speaker 5: the Christian camps as because I was an EMT, I
Speaker 5: would volunteer to be part of their medical staff. And
Speaker 5: I would bawl my eyes out over tearing over these books.
Speaker 2: Why don't I get it like every Why can't I
Speaker 2: feel it? Like everybody else?
Speaker 1: Says? Why is this?
Speaker 2: Why can't I feel what everybody else does? Why? And
Speaker 2: I you know, it's because there's something wrong with me? Right,
Speaker 2: And that's powerful.
Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the most powerful thing in the world when
Speaker 5: you think about it, Like, if you upset this God,
Speaker 5: then you're gonna burn and everlasting.
Speaker 2: Hell, you'll never see the people you love again.
Speaker 5: And I couldn't live with that at the time, right,
Speaker 5: And I firmly believed that I may not. No one
Speaker 5: understand why these things are written, but God has a reason, right.
Speaker 1: Right, Well they have you know, the Lord works in
Speaker 1: the serious ways, which is kind of a catch all
Speaker 1: explanation for everything.
Speaker 2: Right.
Speaker 5: So this, this belief system exists in different ways, but
Speaker 5: now this situation has catapulted it. This It came out
Speaker 5: of a belief in like Calvinism, and they've and remember
Speaker 5: now Doug created this shit. He's the founder of this.
Speaker 5: This is his own faith that he created within this church.
Speaker 5: And now he's got other locations and they just opened
Speaker 5: one in DC, Yeah, to have one near the capitol.
Speaker 2: And heg Seth has already gone there.
Speaker 1: To go to church.
Speaker 5: Yeah, And he's very and Doug is very clear that
Speaker 5: the Nineteenth Amendment, which is the woman's right.
Speaker 2: To vote, should be repealed. Yeah, women should not have
Speaker 2: the right to vote.
Speaker 5: He says that it was the stake to have ever
Speaker 5: given the woman the right to vote. So put the religion,
Speaker 5: those beliefs, and now put this stuff stacking up right,
Speaker 5: We're gonna get rid of women's rights. Men are going
Speaker 5: to rule the world only men in leadership. That's a
Speaker 5: big eie Tooh, and heg Seth is very big on that.
Speaker 2: He doesn't. You know you look, they don't.
Speaker 5: None of them have women in leadership because women are
Speaker 5: too weak, too stupid fill in the blank, you're not
Speaker 5: as smart as a man.
Speaker 2: You can't do it. That's their opinion.
Speaker 1: We should for anyone who if you're not familiar with
Speaker 1: this guy, like I said, I was not familiar with
Speaker 1: this guy before, got a couple other clips here that
Speaker 1: I can show that just kind of.
Speaker 4: So let us talk about women voting. Shall we? Back
Speaker 4: in the battle days before the nineteenth Amendment, the men
Speaker 4: were considered to be the heads of their households and
Speaker 4: represented their families at the ballot box. So what happened
Speaker 4: when their wives were granted suffrage. Let us take a
Speaker 4: typical presidential election to illustrate it, using the first one
Speaker 4: in nineteen twenty, after women's suffrage was accomplished, the election
Speaker 4: between Warren Harding and James Cox. If both the husband
Speaker 4: and wife vote for Harding, say, then what you've done
Speaker 4: is simply multiplied the number of total votes cast for
Speaker 4: him by two. And if the husband votes for Harding, say,
Speaker 4: and the wife votes for Cox, then what you've done
Speaker 4: is cancel out the voice of that particular household. Upon
Speaker 4: discovering how they were each going to vote. What would
Speaker 4: be the harm if the two of them just stay
Speaker 4: at home for a quiet dinner together in order to
Speaker 4: cancel out one another's vote? That way, where was the
Speaker 4: great progress supposed to be local?
Speaker 1: He's really reaching to make this argument.
Speaker 2: He interchanges the world household for man.
Speaker 5: Yeah, remember that, Remember that every time he uses the
Speaker 5: word household, it's about the man.
Speaker 1: There's also but there's also a flaw in his logic.
Speaker 1: Well here, let me play a little bit more of this,
Speaker 1: Like men who don't.
Speaker 5: Have families can't vote?
Speaker 2: How old is bullshit?
Speaker 3: Right?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 1: Yeah, good point, But there's another flaw here. But let
Speaker 1: me let me just play a little bit more of this.
Speaker 4: To be located. The net effect of women's suffrage was
Speaker 4: not an advance in women's rights, but rather part of
Speaker 4: a push to replace covenanted entities like families with raw individualism.
Speaker 4: An overweening state greatly prefers governing an aptimistic populace, where
Speaker 4: each individual is like a bebe thrown into an electoral sack.
Speaker 4: There's no structural or rigidity to it. Especially after laxity
Speaker 4: in the law concerning porn, pot and poker has now
Speaker 4: greased all the bebes. Nothing coheres anymore. In the older system,
Speaker 4: the people were grouped in molecules Birch's little platoons, some
Speaker 4: of them quite complex, and molecular societies are much more
Speaker 4: capable of resisting the demands of statism. So the suffrage
Speaker 4: movement was actually not taking up the cause of women,
Speaker 4: but rather was part of a long sustained war on
Speaker 4: the family. The nature of this kind of thinking says
Speaker 4: that a decision to aboard a child is a decision
Speaker 4: between a woman and her doctor. The father of the
Speaker 4: child is stripped of any legal ability to protect the
Speaker 4: life of his own legitimate child. We need to retrace
Speaker 4: all of our steps in order to discover how travesty
Speaker 4: like that could ever happen, And when we do, we
Speaker 4: discover that a lot of it started at Seneca fault.
Speaker 1: Now, the thing that I don't understand is so about
Speaker 1: his logic. I mean, aside from obviously I disagree with
Speaker 1: his position, but I also there's something about how he
Speaker 1: gets there that I don't quite understand. So if you've
Speaker 1: got because he uses this an example, So if you've
Speaker 1: got two if you've got two people in a household,
Speaker 1: if you've got a man and a woman who both
Speaker 1: vote the same way, you've effectively doubled the voting power
Speaker 1: of that household. Whereas if they vote, uh, if they
Speaker 1: if the two households vote differently, then they've effectively canceled
Speaker 1: out each other's vote. Like, look, I'm not good at math,
Speaker 1: But why why does that even? Why does any of
Speaker 1: that even matter? Because what if you have so.
Speaker 2: What if you collection of votes that counts? But what
Speaker 2: if you have two people vote?
Speaker 1: If you have two people in a household, though, So,
Speaker 1: if you have two people in a household and they
Speaker 1: both vote the same way, and they both vote the
Speaker 1: way you want them to do, right if if if
Speaker 1: you're a conservative and you've got a conservative couple and
Speaker 1: they both vote the same way, you've Yeah, maybe you've
Speaker 1: doubled the voting power of that household. But in that case,
Speaker 1: that's a good thing, right for you? If they voted
Speaker 1: the way you want them to vote. So it's kind
Speaker 1: of like so, for lack of a better way of
Speaker 1: putting it, I guess what I'm saying is in response
Speaker 1: to his his argument about doubling the voting power of
Speaker 1: a household and whatnot. Who fucking cares? In the end,
Speaker 1: what does it matter?
Speaker 2: Your matters that when are having a power over a man.
Speaker 1: Presenting that that woman's vote.
Speaker 5: Might cause the candidate that she likes to win, and
Speaker 5: she's not going to.
Speaker 2: Obey her husband.
Speaker 5: Is important, But that's not going to obey husband. Then
Speaker 5: she's counting. She's killing his vote because she's not obeying him.
Speaker 5: But when she is obeying him, she's giving him an abundance.
Speaker 5: But we don't want to allow either one of those.
Speaker 2: Only want the men to vote.
Speaker 5: Remember he doesn't say that a man who doesn't have
Speaker 5: a wife and kids can't vote.
Speaker 2: He says household vote. A man is a household. A
Speaker 2: woman is not.
Speaker 5: Anything right unless she's under some man's roof, then she's part.
Speaker 2: Of his household.
Speaker 5: The only exception to the rule is when a woman
Speaker 5: is allowed to be in her own had a household
Speaker 5: because our husband died, but you never divorced. Divorce is
Speaker 5: an absolute sin. And now broad in this So this
Speaker 5: is where we are right and now we.
Speaker 2: Have a Faith Office in the White House Christianity only.
Speaker 2: We have a task.
Speaker 5: Force that is supposed to weed out any anti Christian bias,
Speaker 5: and we have a Religious Liberty Commission. These things didn't
Speaker 5: exist before Trump because we recognized that in this country
Speaker 5: well anti Christian initiative, and we didn't have a breaking
Speaker 5: we didn't have a woman in the White House under
Speaker 5: this Faith office, who, by the way, thinks she can
Speaker 5: move a hurricane with a stick.
Speaker 1: Oh, Paula White, Yeah, she's a lunatic.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 1: But but I'm saying, though, like this isn't this isn't
Speaker 1: all new, because we we did see some of this
Speaker 1: to a to a small extent during the George W.
Speaker 1: Bush administration. And that's part not like this, No, but
Speaker 1: that's part of the reason why because if you remember conservative.
Speaker 5: Offensive that you were, Because I feel like Bush is
Speaker 5: an entirely different Republican than Trump.
Speaker 1: Oh sure, in a lot.
Speaker 5: Don't think there's I don't think that the aspects of
Speaker 5: that are are similar in any way.
Speaker 1: No, but I'm just saying, though the roots of this
Speaker 1: did pre exist Trump Trump because not actually.
Speaker 5: Well yeah, it did you got it worse than that.
Speaker 5: You got to go back to Nixon and Reagan because
Speaker 5: that's when we had prayer in schools.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no Reagan. Yeah, well we never had a
Speaker 1: prayer in public school.
Speaker 2: Yes we did.
Speaker 1: There was a push for it. There's always had it. Okay.
Speaker 5: I went to elementary school. In the beginning of the day,
Speaker 5: we all did the present allegiance and then there was
Speaker 5: a in Massachusetts. Yeah, then there was a prior time
Speaker 5: and the Jewish kids and the Jehovah's witness kids were
Speaker 5: were in the hallway.
Speaker 2: That surprises in the classroom. It didn't last long.
Speaker 1: That surprises me, but that happened. Okay, No, but my point,
Speaker 1: my point was. My point was though that there were
Speaker 1: like we saw a lot of this. The reason Christian Conservatives,
Speaker 1: for example, they embraced W but they didn't they never
Speaker 1: trusted his father. And the reason they never trusted his
Speaker 1: father is because Bush Senior was resistant to the Christian right.
Speaker 1: Uh he he he. He kept them in arm's length,
Speaker 1: whereas w embraced them, and he did have I don't
Speaker 1: remember specifically, but he did have some faith based initiative
Speaker 1: stuff going on during his administration.
Speaker 2: Little things.
Speaker 5: It wasn't anything that was going to amount to something
Speaker 5: somebody getting.
Speaker 2: In trouble or anything.
Speaker 5: These guys are actually literally out to get people because
Speaker 5: they have the power. Now, Oh you're anti Christian, I'm
Speaker 5: gonna sue you, like this is where.
Speaker 2: We're at right now.
Speaker 5: Yeah right, yeah, and and.
Speaker 1: No, I'm just I'm just saying no because.
Speaker 2: Government period agree.
Speaker 5: And when you ask people like you know, I mean,
Speaker 5: this is the pastor that we're talking about. Is the
Speaker 5: kind of person who's leading these people that are doing
Speaker 5: these things?
Speaker 1: Yeah?
Speaker 2: Right? Who they want this country to have?
Speaker 5: What did he say? He wanted Jesus to be the
Speaker 5: head of the country basically was his thing. And he
Speaker 5: said that Muslim, what do you say about Islamic faith?
Speaker 5: Was I don't know what he's everybody else's faith is heresy,
Speaker 5: but their version of Christianity. Right, that's literally outside the
Speaker 5: Oval office now, and that concerns me. And when you
Speaker 5: say you're going to go target people that you consider
Speaker 5: anti Christian, what does that really look like?
Speaker 2: How is that going?
Speaker 5: And is there anything going on that we don't even
Speaker 5: know yet? Like because this exists, we know it exists.
Speaker 2: What are they doing?
Speaker 1: Miriam Banish says in Texas they had a moment of
Speaker 1: silence when she was there two thousand and three to
Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. Yeah, I didn't know that was
Speaker 1: actively happening anywhere. I always here Christian conservatives talk about
Speaker 1: that like it's like a compromise. It's like, well, if
Speaker 1: you're not gonna have prayer in school.
Speaker 2: I don't remember that. You didn't have the moment silent
Speaker 2: thing either. We had that afterwards. I mean we had
Speaker 2: a long time. We had pledge of allegiance, moment of
Speaker 2: silence announcements.
Speaker 1: Just to clarify though, So I went to a Catholic school,
Speaker 1: Saint John's, and conquered from grade two to grade eight. Now,
Speaker 1: starting in ninth grade, I went to public school. It's
Speaker 1: possible there was something. I doubt it though, But if.
Speaker 5: You missed it, it's possible it's happening.
Speaker 2: Then you're only a year younger than me.
Speaker 1: I doubt it was happening.
Speaker 2: This was happening.
Speaker 1: I doubt it was happening, even in public school in
Speaker 1: New Hampshire. But but it could have been. It could
Speaker 1: have been, and I just missed it. It certainly wasn't
Speaker 1: happening because in ninth grade. In ninth grade, I started
Speaker 1: going to public school. And there was nothing even approaching
Speaker 1: anything like that in public school and conquered when I
Speaker 1: was in when I was in public school. But there
Speaker 1: could have been something that I just was never exposed to.
Speaker 1: That's certainly possible when I was.
Speaker 2: And when we moved. When I'm one of.
Speaker 5: The moves I had, I am was it eighth grade
Speaker 5: or seventh grade?
Speaker 2: You see this seventh It was the eighth grade.
Speaker 5: I ended up in a school where I was one
Speaker 5: of only two Jewish kids in the school.
Speaker 2: It was an overcrowded school back then.
Speaker 5: The schools were packed and we weren't on half day
Speaker 5: sessions where they used to do this thing when they.
Speaker 2: All to night to the days.
Speaker 5: But you could only walk around the school in one
Speaker 5: direction because it was that fall. Was that ba and
Speaker 5: at Christmas time, I guess they had always traditionally just
Speaker 5: had like Christmas stuff up, but now that they had
Speaker 5: two Jewish kids.
Speaker 2: And I made an offhanded remock once.
Speaker 5: About see, you know, I see all the Christmas stuff,
Speaker 5: how come there's nothing bahanika?
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden there was, and I was
Speaker 2: like the pariah. Yeah yeah, And then we did.
Speaker 5: Hanka got added to the Christmas program, and they stopped
Speaker 5: calling it the Christmas thing not long after that and
Speaker 5: started calling it the Fall Concert or whatever.
Speaker 2: But it was called the Christmas like it. You know.
Speaker 5: I think about that stuff and how uncomfortable it was,
Speaker 5: and then we moved so far past that people expressing
Speaker 5: themselves and having their own face, and now here we
Speaker 5: are and all of that progress is being completely stripped away,
Speaker 5: piece by piece, and I worry that this Christian nationalist,
Speaker 5: uber uber right wing is going to do irreparable harm
Speaker 5: that we can't undo.
Speaker 2: I mean, there's already so much going on.
Speaker 5: I mean, it's these belief systems that endorse the belief
Speaker 5: that we should pull people out of their car because
Speaker 5: they look Mexican and find out if they're really if
Speaker 5: they here legally or not, and that we as a
Speaker 5: society had a long time ago said nobody in law
Speaker 5: enforcement should be able to what was the word I'm
Speaker 5: word searching here, what was the word for it? When
Speaker 5: you when you highlight somebody you're looking for a particular
Speaker 5: rate profiling, profiling?
Speaker 2: Thank you? Yeah, Remember that was a big deal.
Speaker 5: It was in the news, and they did away with
Speaker 5: racial profiling. We weren't going to allow that in law enforcement.
Speaker 5: Now now we're encouraging it. You know, now we're encouraging it.
Speaker 5: And that certainly isn't going to affect the uh, you know,
Speaker 5: the white africata, but it's sures heck is going to
Speaker 5: affect anybody whose skin.
Speaker 2: Is slightly brown. Miriam looks slightly Asian.
Speaker 1: Miriam says. In the chat room, my artistic kid had
Speaker 1: his hands held down on the table because he was
Speaker 1: fidgeting during a moment of silence. So I assume this
Speaker 1: was back in Texas. He wasn't making noise or hurting
Speaker 1: anyone or damaging property, and they basically used a form
Speaker 1: of restraint.
Speaker 5: Yes, yep, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. And we're and
Speaker 5: now that's being brought back up. I mean, you go
Speaker 5: further with hegsas belief system. They believe that the.
Speaker 2: Not just they want the Constitution.
Speaker 5: Is one thing, but they want the Ten Commandments in
Speaker 5: every classroom, and they want prior in every classroom. And
Speaker 5: you know, the every day should start with that, every
Speaker 5: day should start with praising an idol and you know,
Speaker 5: professing Christian belief, his.
Speaker 2: Version of I want to clarify that.
Speaker 5: His their version of Christianity, because there are a lot
Speaker 5: of good Christians out.
Speaker 2: There that don't have these belief systems.
Speaker 5: Right, you know, don't believe that a woman should be
Speaker 5: stripped of her individuality and be melded under the man
Speaker 5: in her household, be it her father, her brother, her husband.
Speaker 5: And these these people are in decision making positions now
Speaker 5: that are setting laws that are literally putting people in
Speaker 5: jail right in concentration styled camps.
Speaker 1: Miriam said in the chat, if someone isn't raised with religion,
Speaker 1: how would they choose the religion, the right religion. Well,
Speaker 1: that's the fallacy, and that's the basic that's the giant,
Speaker 1: gaping logic hole in religion begin with.
Speaker 2: Let me let me dive into that little hole.
Speaker 5: And add to that, As somebody who wasn't raised in religion,
Speaker 5: I knew of things from different sides. It was very
Speaker 5: easy to fall prey to somebody who said this is
Speaker 5: the right, this is the way, The truth is the light. Yeah,
Speaker 5: you know, nobody get it. You know, nobody gets to
Speaker 5: the father up by me. You know, when somebody you
Speaker 5: know is dearly beloved, He would say to us, pastor drole,
Speaker 5: dearly beloved. You know, I was seventeen when I started
Speaker 5: going to that church, and this man convinced.
Speaker 2: Me that this is the way to go.
Speaker 5: All the women wore dresses, never pants. In fact, I
Speaker 5: got seen in a pair of jeens, and I felt shame.
Speaker 2: For being seed in jeans.
Speaker 5: Out in public, right because they made me feel that way,
Speaker 5: and the way the men carried themselves and the way
Speaker 5: the women carried themselves, especially as as somebody who grew
Speaker 5: up with some serious issues, really crazy ass bad childhood,
Speaker 5: and somebody who wasn't secure in her own femininity to
Speaker 5: be around these women who are the ultimate feminine in
Speaker 5: skirts and phillies and only their wedding bands, and maybe
Speaker 5: I don't think they were any jewelry except the wedding band.
Speaker 2: You know, that's the woman I'm supposed to be, and
Speaker 2: I'm not. What's wrong with me? My whole life was
Speaker 2: what's wrong with me? Why I like?
Speaker 5: And that was such an easy prey for right, I
Speaker 5: was really easy prey, and I ended up carrying those
Speaker 5: beliefs for most of my life, and my own thoughts
Speaker 5: would be pretty bad if I caught myself sinning. And
Speaker 5: now they're running the country, and they're changing our classrooms,
Speaker 5: and they want the Bible in the classroom, and they
Speaker 5: want the Ten Commandments on the wall, and they want
Speaker 5: Christianity to rule over everything, including our governments. And anybody
Speaker 5: who's Hindu or a Muslim, or a Jewish or atheist
Speaker 5: or anything other than his brand is demon possessed.
Speaker 2: That's what he said. Demon that's that, pastor.
Speaker 5: And you've got I think we saw the video and
Speaker 5: you guys, yeah, that might be the one.
Speaker 2: I don't or it might have been.
Speaker 5: No, it might not be, because it was one I
Speaker 5: was watching without you where he literally said, what's wrong
Speaker 5: with the world is that is a is this demon possession?
Speaker 5: So base and that's part of what's right. So democrats
Speaker 5: are demons? Oh yeah, ideology is Satan stew right, that's
Speaker 5: what there's There's no.
Speaker 2: More you know, people people talking to each other.
Speaker 1: I have a I have a family member who sends
Speaker 1: me text messages that say things like that, and in
Speaker 1: the same text message, he'll criticize me for my ad
Speaker 1: hominem attacks on the right while he's calling me a
Speaker 1: demon rat and saying I believe.
Speaker 2: In calling you all.
Speaker 1: This other stuff. Yeah, it's kind of.
Speaker 5: It's kind of funny how once you talk to somebody
Speaker 5: you love is.
Speaker 1: I do have I do have one more video here
Speaker 1: of Pastor Wilson. I think we should grab this. Let's
Speaker 1: see which one didn't I blow this one.
Speaker 4: I didn't play yet. Women are the kind of people
Speaker 4: that people come out of.
Speaker 6: So you just think they're meant to have babies.
Speaker 4: No, it's doesn't take any talent to simply reproduce biologically.
Speaker 4: The wife and mother who is the chief executive of
Speaker 4: the home is entrusted with three or four or five
Speaker 4: eternal souls.
Speaker 6: I'm here as a.
Speaker 1: Working By the way, notice he said three or four
Speaker 1: or five? Did you catch that?
Speaker 2: Yes?
Speaker 1: I did, because because a big deal is a big
Speaker 1: part of their deal is have as many children as possible. Yes,
Speaker 1: have as many children as possible. That's a big that's
Speaker 1: a big part.
Speaker 2: Of the correct children. Now, we got to give birth
Speaker 2: to the right, the right children.
Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.
Speaker 2: That's why you have to get anybody who's brown out
Speaker 2: of the country.
Speaker 1: Right. That must be. That must be what it is. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's what I mean.
Speaker 2: That's my theory.
Speaker 5: Anyway, while we're rounding up human beings based on what
Speaker 5: they look like, right, a.
Speaker 6: Mom of three?
Speaker 4: Good for you?
Speaker 6: Is that an issue?
Speaker 4: No? No, it's not automatically an issue.
Speaker 7: Christ Church senior past is the leader of a Christianology
Speaker 7: movement that believes in a patriarchal society where men are
Speaker 7: dominant and women are expected to submit to their husbands.
Speaker 7: Josh and Amy Prince a lot with their four kids,
Speaker 7: move from Washington State to Moscow, Idaho, where Wilson's movement
Speaker 7: is based.
Speaker 2: Do you see Amy as your equal?
Speaker 4: Yes?
Speaker 1: And no, in the sense that we're both saved by grace,
Speaker 1: We're absolutely on equal footing, but we have very different
Speaker 1: purposes God given.
Speaker 2: But do you see.
Speaker 6: Yourself as the head of the household, as the man
Speaker 6: he is the head of our household? Yes, and I
Speaker 6: do submit to him, So like moving here, I was
Speaker 6: just your decision.
Speaker 2: Yes, that's a great it's a great example.
Speaker 7: Wilson says, in his vision of a Christian society, women
Speaker 7: as individuals shouldn't be able to vote. His fellow pastors
Speaker 7: Jared Longshore and Toby Sumpter agree.
Speaker 4: In my ideal society, we would vote as households, and
Speaker 4: I would ordinarily be the one that would cast the vote.
Speaker 4: But I would cast the vote having discussed it with
Speaker 4: my household.
Speaker 1: Really, Oh yeah, I trust you, right, I.
Speaker 2: Trust about it.
Speaker 1: We talked about it. Yeah, we discussed it.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 6: But if there's your wife doesn't want to vote for
Speaker 6: the same person as you, right, well, then.
Speaker 4: That's a great opportunity for a good discussion.
Speaker 2: There are some who have gone so he's still going
Speaker 2: to vote. His wife want the nineteenth and movement repealed.
Speaker 4: I would support that, and I support it on the
Speaker 4: basis that the atomization that comes with our current system
Speaker 4: is not good for humans.
Speaker 7: And Wilson, a veteran himself, is unapologetic about his view
Speaker 7: that women shouldn't be in certain leadership or combat roles.
Speaker 6: Looking at the leadership page for christ Church, it's all men.
Speaker 6: Do you accept women and leadership roles in the church and.
Speaker 4: Government in the church now? Because the Bible says it's
Speaker 4: not to.
Speaker 8: Well, that's not what happens in the Bible. Women do
Speaker 8: lead all the time.
Speaker 7: Progressive Faith leader Reverend Jennifer Butler is concerned about Wilson's
Speaker 7: growing influence.
Speaker 8: He is rapidly gaining in power. He has hundreds of
Speaker 8: churches established around the country. They actually literally want to
Speaker 8: take over towns and cities, and they have access to
Speaker 8: this administration.
Speaker 7: Wilson's highest level connection to the administration is Defence Secretary
Speaker 7: Pete Hegseth.
Speaker 4: It's not organizationally tied to us, but it's the kind
Speaker 4: of thing we love to see.
Speaker 7: For his part, hag Seth has publicly praised Wilson.
Speaker 1: Now we're standing on the shoulders of a generation later,
Speaker 1: the Doug Wilson's and the other. So there you go.
Speaker 1: So yeah, he's so, this isn't something where you know,
Speaker 1: we're just making assumptions or no, you know, we're.
Speaker 5: Literally repeating what these people are saying, like they're not
Speaker 5: hiding their crap anymore.
Speaker 2: It's on.
Speaker 1: He Seth is all in. Heg Seth is all in.
Speaker 5: They used to say only behind closed doors are out
Speaker 5: in the open now because they feel emboldened and they
Speaker 5: have the power and they're getting away with it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you know. Miriam says, I was raised vaguely
Speaker 1: Protestant and my dad was agnostic. My mom left when
Speaker 1: uh oh, my mom felt we should be free to
Speaker 1: choose what to believe. So I tried a few things
Speaker 1: that was empowering, and what I found was that I
Speaker 1: didn't need it to be a good person. I like
Speaker 1: Unitarian Universalists because the idea is that the community is
Speaker 1: there to help you discover that best path for you.
Speaker 5: Now there's a story out of this Doug Wilson church,
Speaker 5: and you guys can look it up on your own.
Speaker 2: The story that I read, and that's I'm just repeating
Speaker 2: what I read.
Speaker 5: Is that he had a member in his church who
Speaker 5: was a pedophile.
Speaker 9: Oh, he had worked with this man who repented and
Speaker 9: was forgiven, and then the church helped him.
Speaker 2: Find a wife, and then they.
Speaker 5: Had a baby boy who he then assaulted the baby boy,
Speaker 5: and then he went to the church and confessed that
Speaker 5: he assaulted that he.
Speaker 2: A baby boy.
Speaker 5: And because he confessed and repented, he was forgiven.
Speaker 1: Oh good, So no need to get the law involved, ob.
Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing to see here, move along with. Yeah, that's it.
Speaker 2: That's all you gotta do.
Speaker 1: That's all you gotta do.
Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you.
Speaker 5: Kill somebody, yo, God, Well we were all good, right
Speaker 5: hey sorry?
Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, So that's the bleef. That's the bleef. So
Speaker 2: this man, right that, this is this is the caliber
Speaker 2: of human And if you and.
Speaker 5: The Handmaid's Tale, nothing in the Handmaid's Tale that I
Speaker 5: wrote was not something that had happened or is happening
Speaker 5: in this world. Every aspect of the society that she
Speaker 5: wrote about are things that actually happened, you know. And
Speaker 5: in the Handmaid's Tail, men can do no wrong and
Speaker 5: they still have their plocivities, their.
Speaker 2: Kinks. Right.
Speaker 5: There's a place in the book where it's called Jezebel's
Speaker 5: where the commanders the men go and sleep with whatever
Speaker 5: woman is being kept there who is a sex slave,
Speaker 5: and then they go home to their dutiful wives and
Speaker 5: thump the Bible. You know, that is what I see here,
Speaker 5: these these Bible thumping holier than now bastards who dehumanize
Speaker 5: their women and their daughters. And anybody who doesn't believe
Speaker 5: their way is a demon.
Speaker 2: You're either demon to possessed, he said, or I don't
Speaker 2: know if.
Speaker 5: It was ignorant or something, but he basically believes that
Speaker 5: any but that doesn't believe the way he does is
Speaker 5: because they're demon possessed, right, like for reals, Like they
Speaker 5: really do think that.
Speaker 2: So when they hurt somebody, they think they're hurting this demon.
Speaker 1: M Yeah, it's a good work around. Yeah, yep, that's
Speaker 1: not about the hue. It's a demon, right right.
Speaker 2: Calls women hunts harlots.
Speaker 5: Yeah, women are not supposed to be in charge because
Speaker 5: also they're devious.
Speaker 1: Remember the Apple, Yes, that's where it all started.
Speaker 5: And have a pension for the evils.
Speaker 1: That must be where the word evil comes from. Eve
Speaker 1: never thought of that before.
Speaker 2: Actually, I have to look that one up. I'm not sure.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I never thought of that till now.
Speaker 5: But when I mean, when you really get into those
Speaker 5: beliefs system, it is very powerful and very dangerous, and
Speaker 5: now it's being wielded against anybody who isn't one of them,
Speaker 5: anybody who isn't going to toe the line of one
Speaker 5: of them, Like if you're not the white heterosexual male
Speaker 5: that they want you to be, if.
Speaker 2: You're supporting them, they're going to have you to dinner.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah.
Speaker 5: Ask a few people who are from Cuba how they
Speaker 5: feel about that. Who had dinners with the Republicans down there.
Speaker 5: Vote for us, We're going to give you back your nation,
Speaker 5: and now you can see videos of them crying. Yes,
Speaker 5: because they voted for Trump. They believed everything they said,
Speaker 5: and now their loved ones are being deported.
Speaker 1: Yep, I don't have any sympathy for them, just for
Speaker 1: the record.
Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, this is how these people operate.
Speaker 5: Oh you're a black man, come on in, Come on, honey,
Speaker 5: just make sure you marry your own kind.
Speaker 2: Because if you think that doesn't exist in this type
Speaker 2: of church, you're wrong.
Speaker 1: Of course your is wrong.
Speaker 2: It totally does. And anybody who's not them is not
Speaker 2: equal to them.
Speaker 5: Think of a caste system, because that's basically what we're
Speaker 5: being set up into now.
Speaker 2: The uber elites are running everything.
Speaker 5: They're getting the tax breaks, they get shit tons of
Speaker 5: tax dollars.
Speaker 2: I mean, hard.
Speaker 5: Working people, citizens and non citizens get money taken out
Speaker 5: of their paychecks long before they ever see a dime.
Speaker 2: And that money is now going into the pockets of
Speaker 2: the people that we're talking.
Speaker 5: About, and they're going into the CEOs of these companies
Speaker 5: that make twenty million dollars a year annual salary, never
Speaker 5: mind their perks and bonuses.
Speaker 2: Who the fuck needs twenty million dollars a year to
Speaker 2: live well.
Speaker 1: Not only that, but look at people like Doug Wilson.
Speaker 1: You know he lives very well. He's a very wealthy man.
Speaker 1: A lot of these these religious leaders are very, very wealthy.
Speaker 1: That's why I I you know, and again i'll i'll these.
Speaker 2: Churches, somebody these churches a million dollars.
Speaker 1: And you know, I get and again I get accused
Speaker 1: by a family member of being anti Christian when I
Speaker 1: say this stuff. But it's like, I'm actually not anti Christian.
Speaker 1: I think I think Gandhi was right. You know when
Speaker 1: Gandhi I can never get the exact quote right when
Speaker 1: he said, it's it's it's not it's it's not your
Speaker 1: christ I don't like. It's your Christians. I don't like
Speaker 1: because they're so unlike your christ Or as a friend
Speaker 1: of mine used to paraphrase, I have a friend who
Speaker 1: passed away a few years ago, but he used to
Speaker 1: say his version of that was Christianity is a great idea.
Speaker 1: Somebody should actually try it, because you know, these people
Speaker 1: so so blatantly, so flagrantly. I call it ironic Christianity,
Speaker 1: you know, which is this this version of Christianity where
Speaker 1: you you say you love Christ and he's your savior
Speaker 1: while actively having as little to do as possible with
Speaker 1: anything Christ actually said or taught and behaviors. Yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 1: That's why you know, I'm pretty skeptical about all of it,
Speaker 1: because I don't think any of these people actually it's far.
Speaker 5: Does Jesus say, for I was a stranger in your
Speaker 5: land and you fed me.
Speaker 2: For I was a stranger.
Speaker 5: There's a whole section of the Bible, and Jesus says,
Speaker 5: you know, you fed me, you clothed me, you housed me,
Speaker 5: you did right by me. And then he goes after
Speaker 5: the people on the other side and he says, for
Speaker 5: I was a stranger in your land, and you did
Speaker 5: not feed me, and you did.
Speaker 2: Not clothe me.
Speaker 5: Yes, and he casts them down because they're not the
Speaker 5: real Christian. The real Christian is the one who brought
Speaker 5: them in. The real Christian is the one that goes
Speaker 5: over to the poor and feeds them and clothes them.
Speaker 2: And here's the kicker for you.
Speaker 5: Okay, the whole thing about government is not going to
Speaker 5: doesn't want to do charity things. You know, we're not
Speaker 5: gonna We shouldn't have food stamps. We should have churches
Speaker 5: with food banks, that's the answer. We shouldn't have free
Speaker 5: things because the churches will do it.
Speaker 2: These are the churches, and they're not doing it.
Speaker 5: And then yeah, so the same people who are saying
Speaker 5: the church is to be doing it. Are the same
Speaker 5: people who are that the leaders in these churches who
Speaker 5: won't freaking do it right you want?
Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, I just wanted to say to be fair.
Speaker 1: So when we talk about this, you know, we're talking
Speaker 1: about the churches that are obviously all about the money,
Speaker 1: or at least obviously those of us who are looking
Speaker 1: at them with a critical eye. There are I just
Speaker 1: want to acknowledge that it. You know, in communities all
Speaker 1: across the country, there are also small churches that actually
Speaker 1: do do things for the community like run soup kitchens
Speaker 1: and various charities and food drives and clothing drives and everything.
Speaker 1: So I want to acknowledge that too. I don't want
Speaker 1: to paint everybody with that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, there are people who are actually, believe it or not,
Speaker 1: trying to do Christ's work in communities all across the country,
Speaker 1: and they they need to be uh acknowledged and praised
Speaker 1: for that because they're actually they're actually doing something good.
Speaker 1: So we don't want to pay with a broadbrush. But
Speaker 1: we're talking about the Charlatans who unfortunately are the ones
Speaker 1: who get all the media coverage, who are who are
Speaker 1: not doing Christ's work because my theory is they're they're atheists.
Speaker 1: I always say this about televangelists. There's no way they
Speaker 1: actually believe in God, because if they like people like.
Speaker 2: People away themselves that they do.
Speaker 1: No, No, I don't think it's even that. I have a
Speaker 1: different theory about that. I know everyone says that, but
Speaker 1: I think they do. I think no. I think they're
Speaker 1: full on atheists. I'll tell you why, because if there
Speaker 1: were any part of them that actually believed, wouldn't they
Speaker 1: be afraid of going to hell for what they do?
Speaker 1: I think they will. I think they're aists because they are.
Speaker 2: I think they believe in what they're saying. When I
Speaker 2: lived in Kentucky, he is a guy. I lived in
Speaker 2: Kentucky and I worked in a real sweatshop.
Speaker 5: So in factory we made pajamas and I had a
Speaker 5: like so sleeves onto these shirts, and you had to
Speaker 5: look at your machine.
Speaker 2: If you were caught looking at somebody else, you'd get.
Speaker 5: Yelled at in front of everybody and threatened with getting fired.
Speaker 2: No talking, nothing.
Speaker 5: They There were multiple times that Friday would roll around
Speaker 5: and they'd tell us that the banks screwed something up,
Speaker 5: and when our paychecks weren't there, or you'd go to
Speaker 5: the bank to cash your paycheck and.
Speaker 2: It would bounce. There wouldn't bet any money left in
Speaker 2: the account if you didn't get there fast enough to
Speaker 2: hit your paycheck.
Speaker 5: But every Friday at three pm, we were to shut
Speaker 5: our machines off and they would play original Sin doctrine
Speaker 5: sermons over the speakers.
Speaker 2: If you didn't want to listen to it, you.
Speaker 5: Were supposed to go back to work. But if you
Speaker 5: turned your machine on and went back to work, somebody
Speaker 5: would yell at you that they couldn't hear the sermons. Right,
Speaker 5: he's seen holier than and they believed, Oh did they?
Speaker 2: Lord?
Speaker 10: I understand that they the office and literally the one
Speaker 10: that came out of the office and said to me,
Speaker 10: the reason we weren't getting paid was because the fax
Speaker 10: machine messed up the numbers when they sent it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, So I told him I knew how a fax
Speaker 2: machine worked.
Speaker 5: And I went home with my paycheck, and I was
Speaker 5: told that I was to say nothing or I would
Speaker 5: be fired, and so would my husband.
Speaker 2: But these are the same people here.
Speaker 5: These guys make so much money off of the faithful,
Speaker 5: but they believe wholeheartedly that God wants them to do this.
Speaker 2: God wants them to have these things just to clarify
Speaker 2: them for the hard work that they're doing.
Speaker 1: It's it's it's called it's called prosperity gospel. But what
Speaker 1: I'm I'm just saying, I'm talking about the people at
Speaker 1: the very top, the very top, like Kenneth Copeland, Paula White,
Speaker 1: Joel Olstein. I just I.
Speaker 2: Personally, she expused.
Speaker 1: No, no, No, that's what I'm saying. I believe I
Speaker 1: believe that they don't believe at all. I'm saying this
Speaker 1: is purely a business.
Speaker 2: That's right by that. I'm surprise that you say that.
Speaker 1: Did I say what that?
Speaker 2: You don't think they're real believers?
Speaker 1: You're you're surprised. No, I don't. I don't think. I
Speaker 1: don't think that's what I'm Yeah, I don't think Paula
Speaker 1: what they really.
Speaker 2: I do believe she does. I do think she's a
Speaker 2: true believer.
Speaker 5: I think she so believes that she's been chosen by
Speaker 5: this power that if she gets us stinging in her foot,
Speaker 5: it's God's telling her something.
Speaker 1: No, it's a business. It's a business to them. It's
Speaker 1: a business to them.
Speaker 2: They I will agree to disagree with you.
Speaker 1: I mean, who knows. I mean who knows. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I don't know what what goes on in their brains
Speaker 1: are in their hearts. But no, I don't my That's
Speaker 1: always been my theory that that I'm talking about. I'm
Speaker 1: talking about the really rich televangelists like Paula White, Joel Oldstein.
Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think they don't believe that. I
Speaker 1: don't think that they actually believe that there's a deity
Speaker 1: who's going to judge them when they die. Because if
Speaker 1: they actually believed that, wouldn't they be afraid to to
Speaker 1: do what they do? And then?
Speaker 2: Know?
Speaker 5: You see, all right, let me let me say I
Speaker 5: lived in Kentucky for three years, and you want to
Speaker 5: talk about uber uber Christian, like these people are Christians
Speaker 5: you've never met?
Speaker 1: No, but that's not who I'm talking about.
Speaker 2: But that's what I know.
Speaker 5: I disagree with you there. These people are those people.
Speaker 5: They are those believers that carry it like a badge
Speaker 5: of courage, and they truly believe there's something magical inside them.
Speaker 2: When that woman stands on your there, Ryan, and she
Speaker 2: believes that God is going to.
Speaker 5: Give her the strength to move a hurricane with a
Speaker 5: stick while she's speaking in tongues.
Speaker 1: Yes, oh, yes, she knows.
Speaker 2: Yet she knows. They believe that ship, lockstock and barrel.
Speaker 2: They'll fight you over it. They'll kill you.
Speaker 5: My action my father in law Breton to shoot me.
Speaker 2: He was gonna like threaten to kill me.
Speaker 1: Sure what I'm talking about?
Speaker 2: Me? Accuse me of doing witchcraft?
Speaker 1: Letting hun No, I understand that. But I'm talking about the.
Speaker 2: People, these people. I've met, these people.
Speaker 5: I've met some of these people who have a ship
Speaker 5: ton of money and they justify it.
Speaker 1: I know, prosperity. I'm talking about the people at the
Speaker 1: very top though they believe.
Speaker 2: Oh no, I think they believe it. I think they're
Speaker 2: firm believers. I don't think you think Joel.
Speaker 1: You think Joel also actually believes as a God judge
Speaker 1: when he dies.
Speaker 5: Yes, yes, but he doesn't believe God's going to judge
Speaker 5: him poorly. They don't fear judgment. You got to understand something, too, honey.
Speaker 5: A lot of these people believe that once in grace,
Speaker 5: always engrace. Once you're saved, you're always saved, right.
Speaker 1: Which gives you all, which gives you a perpetual get
Speaker 1: out of jail free.
Speaker 2: Ever you commit, always e grace.
Speaker 5: And if you don't believe one hundred percent and that
Speaker 5: you believe that once you repent, you're As long as
Speaker 5: you ask God for forgiveness, you go to heaven.
Speaker 2: So no matter what you do, even if you come
Speaker 2: to believe.
Speaker 5: That something you did was wrong, as long as you've
Speaker 5: prayed on it and turned it over to God.
Speaker 2: Left it on the altar.
Speaker 1: Well, well, so do you believe that Trump actually believes
Speaker 1: all of his own bullshit or is this a con see?
Speaker 1: I apply the same sea. I look at Trumps the
Speaker 1: same way I look at these televangelists, because I also
Speaker 1: know that that Trump is a con man, and he's
Speaker 1: just conned millions of people who are gullible enough to
Speaker 1: believe he found.
Speaker 5: He tapped in and realized how much power there Isn't that?
Speaker 5: Because if they stand in front of you with the
Speaker 5: Bible preaching gospel, and preaching gospel means you're saying anything godly.
Speaker 1: Yah.
Speaker 2: So Trump's standing there with the Bible and saying something
Speaker 2: godly is God? This is God moving through him? Say
Speaker 2: you believe it?
Speaker 5: Looks that's why he can't do anything wrong, because God
Speaker 5: is directing it all right, and as a plan for it.
Speaker 1: They believe he was chosen by God.
Speaker 2: Only he knows.
Speaker 5: What he You cannot understand the wonders of the Lord.
Speaker 5: You have to put your faith in trust in it.
Speaker 1: And that's why.
Speaker 2: Wanted to win. He wanted to win.
Speaker 5: He also wanted to stay out of jail. And he
Speaker 5: saw that these people latched on.
Speaker 2: And he realized that if he gave them the Christianity
Speaker 2: they were looking.
Speaker 5: For, they'd be in like crazy all over him. And
Speaker 5: that's exactly what's happened. All he does is give them
Speaker 5: what they want, and they're happy, and he keeps them
Speaker 5: and he keeps their their support and their favoritism and
Speaker 5: all of that. And that's all he kids about. I
Speaker 5: don't think he knows shit about the freaking Bible. Anybody
Speaker 5: who stands there and goes two Corinthians has never read
Speaker 5: the fucking Bible, because you don't even know how it works.
Speaker 2: Well.
Speaker 1: My favorite, my favorite clip of all time was when
Speaker 1: down No, No, When who's at John Heilman and who
Speaker 1: is the other guy? Rob halpern h This was back
Speaker 1: during the twenty sixteen campaign, when they asked him after
Speaker 1: a debate was was he, you know, if he had
Speaker 1: a specific passage in the Bible that He's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I like all of it. And they asked him, well,
Speaker 1: are you of a more of an Old Testament guy
Speaker 1: or a New Testament guy? And he goes, well, you know,
Speaker 1: I think I like them both equally.
Speaker 5: It's like.
Speaker 1: But but and yet these Christian conservatives they're so easily
Speaker 1: conned by it.
Speaker 5: And they also they shold them very much to New Testament.
Speaker 5: Only Old Testament. It was done away with with, was
Speaker 5: fulfilled by Jesus. So you follow the New Testament. The
Speaker 5: Old Testament isn't needed anymore.
Speaker 1: Well, but the Old Testament is the world. But the
Speaker 1: Old well, but they go to the Old Testament.
Speaker 5: Of course, they validate shit, they'll validate stories or whatever
Speaker 5: you mean testament, But that's not how you live by.
Speaker 5: You live by what's in the New Testament and what
Speaker 5: Jesus said.
Speaker 2: So we're not doing burnt offers.
Speaker 5: No, they don't do that, schal We move to Sundays
Speaker 5: instead of Saturdays.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but they don't give a about They don't give
Speaker 1: a shit about Jesus either, though, like that don't I mean,
Speaker 1: I mean, they love him and they accept him as
Speaker 1: a savior, but they don't actually care about anything you
Speaker 1: said or did.
Speaker 2: Oh, they do. They believe it.
Speaker 5: I'm living a godly life by following Jesus's teachings.
Speaker 1: But they don't. Though they don't, they don't.
Speaker 2: Believe they are, they firmly believe they are. Well, I
Speaker 2: think they I think they believe it.
Speaker 1: I think they kind of treat Jesus like he's like
Speaker 1: the drunk uncle at Thanksgiving, Like, you know, we love him,
Speaker 1: he's part of the family. But if Jesus wants to
Speaker 1: just go to bed now and not say anything else
Speaker 1: crazy like you know, you should take care of poor
Speaker 1: people or not let children starve or something. We've had
Speaker 1: enough of that, Jesus. Why don't you just going on
Speaker 1: the bed.
Speaker 2: Get those pots that are inconvenient.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, of course it's all inconvenient.
Speaker 5: They take and they twist, you know, take take any
Speaker 5: section of Scripture handed to ten Christians, and they're all
Speaker 5: gonna come up with it. Who can you know, they'll
Speaker 5: come up with ten different versions of what they think
Speaker 5: it says.
Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because it's based on whatever they want it
Speaker 1: to be exactly exactly.
Speaker 2: I'll justify my belief. I'll find a verse that justify
Speaker 2: this one fits me. And that's how it works. I
Speaker 2: can justify anything I want to believe.
Speaker 5: Look at Doug believes that slavery was good for people.
Speaker 5: Doug Wilson is the one that said slavery was good
Speaker 5: for people.
Speaker 1: That's a common narrative among his ilk.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 5: Yeah, and they believe that shit and they justify it
Speaker 5: biblically because you're supposed to be good to your slaves.
Speaker 2: It's in the Bible. They were good Christians, they were
Speaker 2: good to their slaves. See, yeah, that's real.
Speaker 5: These people like I've been I'm telling you, these people
Speaker 5: will kill you for their belief. That's how strong the
Speaker 5: belief is. It is one hundred percent. And everything you
Speaker 5: do becomes.
Speaker 2: For Ot, for God. It's that marching order, and you
Speaker 2: justify and they justify it.
Speaker 5: They for I believe that the vast majority of the
Speaker 5: fuckers think they're doing the right thing under their faith.
Speaker 2: But Trump is doing money.
Speaker 5: He seth I think he might be fucked up and
Speaker 5: truly believe this ship because he's been a part of
Speaker 5: it long.
Speaker 2: Before might orbit He has been a part of this
Speaker 2: a long time.
Speaker 5: Yeah, he took the he took the portrait down of
Speaker 5: the first black woman to become an I think it
Speaker 5: was an admiral was there was a he took stuff
Speaker 5: down in the Pentagon that had to do with women.
Speaker 5: If it was a woman, somebody who was gay, or
Speaker 5: somebody was transgender, it got scrubbed because remember when he
Speaker 5: first started scrubbing ship, the dumbass scrubbed the Aola gay.
Speaker 2: They scrubbed.
Speaker 5: Yeah, too woke, But see woke is now also making
Speaker 5: a building accessible for a disabled person to get.
Speaker 1: Yeah, well, anything anything they don't even know what the
Speaker 1: word means, just anything they don't like is woke.
Speaker 2: Woke, and all democrats are demons.
Speaker 5: I miss it the days when people politically could disagree
Speaker 5: but debate one another work and you know, work for
Speaker 5: the greater good of our country because we want. I
Speaker 5: don't want Trump to fail. He fails, my country fails.
Speaker 2: Well, you want. I want my country to prosper.
Speaker 1: You want your country to succeed.
Speaker 2: Exactly.
Speaker 5: But what we're we're we're undoing decades of good works,
Speaker 5: you know, pulling special kids out of school and reinstitutionalizing them.
Speaker 5: Why are we doing this? You don't want because they
Speaker 5: don't want kids to know how to work with disabled people,
Speaker 5: or they just want to put it. I swear they
Speaker 5: want to take anybody who's disabled or special needs and
Speaker 5: just lock them away in a facility, because if you
Speaker 5: can't make the money and you can't serve them, you
Speaker 5: have no purpose on this earth for them. And these
Speaker 5: rich pricks live in a different world than us. You
Speaker 5: and I and probably ninety ers, probably all of our
Speaker 5: listeners don't live in the same world as these people.
Speaker 5: They don't shop in the grocery store like you do.
Speaker 5: They don't go to the same clothing stores that you do.
Speaker 5: They don't drive the way that they don't do anything
Speaker 5: the way you do. Things are laid out for them
Speaker 5: because they're that rich. They set it up ahead of time.
Speaker 5: And we have a greed issue in this country.
Speaker 2: That's what we have. When a healthcare CEO wakes twenty five.
Speaker 5: Million dollars in a year, or even a million dollars
Speaker 5: a year, but you're going to raise the premiums and
Speaker 5: you're taking away dental care from people on Medicare because
Speaker 5: they use too much of it the insurance they paid for,
Speaker 5: but because they use too much of it, because you
Speaker 5: don't have the money for their care.
Speaker 2: But you have money from.
Speaker 5: A time million dollar salaries and payouts and two private jets.
Speaker 2: You won't fly with the peasants. These are the people
Speaker 2: running the country.
Speaker 5: On that part with you, I do agree, But I
Speaker 5: do think that Paula White is a real believer.
Speaker 1: Trump no, oh no, Trump definitely not hexas.
Speaker 2: I think he's a believer. At paul A White, I
Speaker 2: think she's a believer.
Speaker 1: It's a business.
Speaker 2: I think it's I think she is no way
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