The trouble with Pete Hegseth | Matt Connarton Unleashed

0:00 Speaker 1: Doug Wilson, this guy who I didn't even really know

0:04 Speaker 1: about until recently, but apparently he is.

0:06 Speaker 2: Pete.

0:07 Speaker 1: Why, Pete, what's up?

0:10 Speaker 2: You know why? Because you're not a woman.

0:11 Speaker 1: Well, Pete haig Seth, who is, of course our secretary

0:15 Speaker 1: of Defense, is a member of Doug Wilson's church. And

0:19 Speaker 1: I guess recently uh shared out I should Uh, I

0:22 Speaker 1: should grab the Yeah, grab grab the video here of

0:27 Speaker 1: the we could play the ap story.

0:30 Speaker 3: Defense Secretary Pete haig Seth recently made headlines when he

0:33 Speaker 3: shared a C and N video on social media about

0:35 Speaker 3: the Communion of Reformed Evangelical Churches, an arch conservative network

0:39 Speaker 3: of Christian congregations where he's a member. The video included

0:42 Speaker 3: its pastors arguing women should not have the right to vote.

0:45 Speaker 4: I was very grateful to him for doing that. He

0:48 Speaker 4: didn't just repost it like, oh, here's an interesting thing

0:51 Speaker 4: that these weird people are doing. Uh. He reposted it

0:55 Speaker 4: and he himself said all of Christ for all of life,

0:58 Speaker 4: which is the tagline that we use.

1:01 Speaker 1: So now, by the way, if Pete hag Seth had

1:03 Speaker 1: said this is an interesting thing that these weird people

1:05 Speaker 1: are doing, that would have been appropriate. But he did

1:09 Speaker 1: not say that. He seems to be expressing support for

1:14 Speaker 1: Pastor Wilson, And again, what's that.

1:18 Speaker 2: It's more than that.

1:19 Speaker 1: More than that, Yeah, more than that because.

1:22 Speaker 5: That statement that he made, Yeah, that that statement is

1:27 Speaker 5: is not just like something he's pulling out of thin air.

1:31 Speaker 5: That statement refers to the belief that first we get

1:37 Speaker 5: the Christian nation, then we get the Christian constant, then

1:39 Speaker 5: we go for the world.

1:40 Speaker 2: They want a Christian world.

1:42 Speaker 5: The ultimate endgame is to convert everybody right a little.

1:48 Speaker 4: More reposting it and saying amen at some level.

1:52 Speaker 3: Pastor Doug Wilson, the network's co founder, is no stranger

1:55 Speaker 3: to controversy with his church's embrace of patriarchy and Christian nationalism.

1:59 Speaker 3: They are a network of all one hundred and thirty

2:01 Speaker 3: churches and have recently opened a new church in Washington,

2:03 Speaker 3: d C. With heg Seth attending its first Sunday service.

2:06 Speaker 4: This is the first time we've had connections with as

2:11 Speaker 4: many people in national government as we do now. But

2:15 Speaker 4: this is not this is not an ecclesiastical lobbying effort

2:20 Speaker 4: where we're trying to meet important people. We're trying to

2:23 Speaker 4: give some of these people an opportunity to meet with God.

2:27 Speaker 3: Wilson's church in the wider network believe in practice.

2:30 Speaker 1: The idea I would like a chance to meet with God.

2:32 Speaker 1: I mean I have questions, you know, like I've always

2:34 Speaker 1: wondered what does he look like? And does he have

2:37 Speaker 1: a long white beer?

2:38 Speaker 3: Men and women have different roles, and women should not

2:40 Speaker 3: hold church leadership positions.

2:42 Speaker 4: My wife votes, my daughters vote. If people rush to

2:47 Speaker 4: conclusions from what they heard on the CNN piece, that's

2:52 Speaker 4: a sad thing. At the same time, I think that

2:57 Speaker 4: the Nineteenth Amendment was a bad idea, and I had

3:00 Speaker 4: no problem with how Pastor Jared answered the question. I

3:04 Speaker 4: would support that. Our issue is not is not a

3:08 Speaker 4: problem with the enfranchisement of women. Our problem is with

3:13 Speaker 4: the disenfranchisement of the household.

3:17 Speaker 1: Now, just to clarify what he means, his position and

3:21 Speaker 1: the position of the church is that there should be

3:23 Speaker 1: one vote per household, and of course the person casting

3:26 Speaker 1: the vote would be the head of the household. And

3:29 Speaker 1: I think we all know when we refer to the

3:32 Speaker 1: head of the household, we know who Pastor Wilson has

3:35 Speaker 1: in mind. Right, men, that's right, that's not too clear.

3:42 Speaker 3: Follow his Church's example.

3:44 Speaker 4: So in our church elections, households vote, and that includes

3:49 Speaker 4: some women as heads of households. But ordinarily, when you

3:53 Speaker 4: have a conservative Christian family, the head of the household

3:59 Speaker 4: is the is the husband and father, and he's the

4:02 Speaker 4: one who casts the vote. But he's voting on behalf

4:04 Speaker 4: of the whole household. The issue is not keeping females

4:08 Speaker 4: from voting. The issue for us is we want households

4:12 Speaker 4: to have a say.

4:14 Speaker 1: There is a little bit of a loophole in there

4:17 Speaker 1: for him because you know, he because I think in

4:22 Speaker 1: a separate piece and a longer video, or it might

4:24 Speaker 1: even even been because we did watch the piece on CNN,

4:27 Speaker 1: which by the way, Doug Wilson did acknowledge that he

4:30 Speaker 1: thought it was fair. He definitely a lot of them

4:34 Speaker 1: that it was fair. Yeah, it was fair and balanced

4:36 Speaker 1: because they did present all sides. But but the loophole

4:40 Speaker 1: being see, he can say, he can say, we're not

4:45 Speaker 1: saying we oppose women voting, because uh, he sort of

4:50 Speaker 1: acknowledges that not every household, you know, so for example,

4:53 Speaker 1: if you have a household where there's a mom, but

4:55 Speaker 1: but the father has passed away, for that's.

4:57 Speaker 2: What he said Yeah, it's a widow. You get to vote.

5:01 Speaker 1: So that's why he gets to say that. That's why

5:03 Speaker 1: he can say.

5:04 Speaker 2: Well, we're not opposed to women. VI. What's that there's

5:08 Speaker 2: no divorce in that kind of Christianity.

5:10 Speaker 1: Well, that's true. But but if somebody die, like if.

5:14 Speaker 5: You watch the full CNN and they also have an

5:18 Speaker 5: extended version if you go on YouTube, Yeah, is the

5:21 Speaker 5: full thirty minute version that has all. But they interview

5:26 Speaker 5: a couple of the heads of his church and they

5:29 Speaker 5: reiterate the belief that men are in charge, women are

5:34 Speaker 5: subservient and if that's not enough for you to believe it,

5:37 Speaker 5: they then go to a couple and the woman openly says,

5:41 Speaker 5: I am subservient to him, that she's submissive. She used

5:46 Speaker 5: the word submissive, that she's submissive to him.

5:49 Speaker 2: Yeah, and that is.

5:51 Speaker 5: Part of the control and this crazy Christianity. Right, where

5:59 Speaker 5: as a woman, you are less than the man. You're

6:05 Speaker 5: not as smart as the man. God didn't build you

6:10 Speaker 5: to carry this load, this weight. Don't let your husband

6:16 Speaker 5: handle those the household difficulty things. You know, you you

6:22 Speaker 5: keep the house, you raise the kid, but you don't

6:27 Speaker 5: make decisions. You know, you can have an opinion, but

6:31 Speaker 5: the ultimate decision is made by.

6:32 Speaker 2: The man right, and it is.

6:36 Speaker 5: And as a woman, I was once married for a

6:39 Speaker 5: very long time in and there was a time in

6:44 Speaker 5: my life when I had converted to Christianity and believed

6:50 Speaker 5: in a very strict Christianity.

6:54 Speaker 1: And a strict version of it. We should just be clear,

6:56 Speaker 1: just to be fair. I don't think a majority of

7:00 Speaker 1: Christians actually would follow Doug Wilson, but Pete second. But

7:04 Speaker 1: a member, a high ranking member of our government does.

7:07 Speaker 1: And that's why we're talking about this just to.

7:08 Speaker 5: Me exactly, Yeah, because I want people to like, this

7:11 Speaker 5: is a it's it's it's a it's like getting infected

7:16 Speaker 5: with something right. And you, as a woman, you firmly

7:21 Speaker 5: believe that you're doing what God is telling you to do,

7:23 Speaker 5: and you want to go to heaven.

7:24 Speaker 2: Right.

7:24 Speaker 5: So I believed that if I wasn't a godly woman,

7:27 Speaker 5: I wouldn't get to see the people that I loved Again.

7:30 Speaker 5: I was very attached to that idea of being able

7:33 Speaker 5: to see the people that I loved who died, and

7:35 Speaker 5: the idea of that not being real was so devastating

7:40 Speaker 5: to me that the first time somebody really challenged me

7:44 Speaker 5: on it. I collapsed and just bawled my eyes out,

7:49 Speaker 5: and it was like, but if you're right, there's nothing.

7:53 Speaker 2: If I'm right, I get to be with the people

7:56 Speaker 2: I love.

7:57 Speaker 5: Yeah, So any suffer that I am enduring in this

8:01 Speaker 5: world is required of me to get the.

8:04 Speaker 2: Reward of going to heaven.

8:06 Speaker 5: So whenever my husband had done or said or made

8:12 Speaker 5: certain rules or whatever that I followed, that's where it.

8:17 Speaker 2: Was coming from. And it was a very very strong.

8:22 Speaker 5: I was a Sunday school teacher. We went to church

8:25 Speaker 5: every Sunday. I read the Bible.

8:29 Speaker 2: I had a woman's study guides.

8:31 Speaker 5: I can remember going to I would volunteer for at

8:34 Speaker 5: the Christian camps as because I was an EMT, I

8:37 Speaker 5: would volunteer to be part of their medical staff. And

8:40 Speaker 5: I would bawl my eyes out over tearing over these books.

8:44 Speaker 2: Why don't I get it like every Why can't I

8:46 Speaker 2: feel it? Like everybody else?

8:48 Speaker 1: Says? Why is this?

8:52 Speaker 2: Why can't I feel what everybody else does? Why? And

8:55 Speaker 2: I you know, it's because there's something wrong with me? Right,

9:01 Speaker 2: And that's powerful.

9:03 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the most powerful thing in the world when

9:06 Speaker 5: you think about it, Like, if you upset this God,

9:10 Speaker 5: then you're gonna burn and everlasting.

9:12 Speaker 2: Hell, you'll never see the people you love again.

9:14 Speaker 5: And I couldn't live with that at the time, right,

9:18 Speaker 5: And I firmly believed that I may not. No one

9:21 Speaker 5: understand why these things are written, but God has a reason, right.

9:27 Speaker 1: Right, Well they have you know, the Lord works in

9:28 Speaker 1: the serious ways, which is kind of a catch all

9:31 Speaker 1: explanation for everything.

9:32 Speaker 2: Right.

9:32 Speaker 5: So this, this belief system exists in different ways, but

9:38 Speaker 5: now this situation has catapulted it. This It came out

9:43 Speaker 5: of a belief in like Calvinism, and they've and remember

9:46 Speaker 5: now Doug created this shit. He's the founder of this.

9:50 Speaker 5: This is his own faith that he created within this church.

9:55 Speaker 5: And now he's got other locations and they just opened

9:59 Speaker 5: one in DC, Yeah, to have one near the capitol.

10:02 Speaker 2: And heg Seth has already gone there.

10:05 Speaker 1: To go to church.

10:08 Speaker 5: Yeah, And he's very and Doug is very clear that

10:13 Speaker 5: the Nineteenth Amendment, which is the woman's right.

10:15 Speaker 2: To vote, should be repealed. Yeah, women should not have

10:20 Speaker 2: the right to vote.

10:20 Speaker 5: He says that it was the stake to have ever

10:24 Speaker 5: given the woman the right to vote. So put the religion,

10:28 Speaker 5: those beliefs, and now put this stuff stacking up right,

10:32 Speaker 5: We're gonna get rid of women's rights. Men are going

10:35 Speaker 5: to rule the world only men in leadership. That's a

10:40 Speaker 5: big eie Tooh, and heg Seth is very big on that.

10:44 Speaker 2: He doesn't. You know you look, they don't.

10:46 Speaker 5: None of them have women in leadership because women are

10:48 Speaker 5: too weak, too stupid fill in the blank, you're not

10:53 Speaker 5: as smart as a man.

10:54 Speaker 2: You can't do it. That's their opinion.

11:00 Speaker 1: We should for anyone who if you're not familiar with

11:04 Speaker 1: this guy, like I said, I was not familiar with

11:06 Speaker 1: this guy before, got a couple other clips here that

11:08 Speaker 1: I can show that just kind of.

11:11 Speaker 4: So let us talk about women voting. Shall we? Back

11:14 Speaker 4: in the battle days before the nineteenth Amendment, the men

11:16 Speaker 4: were considered to be the heads of their households and

11:19 Speaker 4: represented their families at the ballot box. So what happened

11:22 Speaker 4: when their wives were granted suffrage. Let us take a

11:24 Speaker 4: typical presidential election to illustrate it, using the first one

11:28 Speaker 4: in nineteen twenty, after women's suffrage was accomplished, the election

11:31 Speaker 4: between Warren Harding and James Cox. If both the husband

11:35 Speaker 4: and wife vote for Harding, say, then what you've done

11:37 Speaker 4: is simply multiplied the number of total votes cast for

11:39 Speaker 4: him by two. And if the husband votes for Harding, say,

11:42 Speaker 4: and the wife votes for Cox, then what you've done

11:44 Speaker 4: is cancel out the voice of that particular household. Upon

11:47 Speaker 4: discovering how they were each going to vote. What would

11:50 Speaker 4: be the harm if the two of them just stay

11:51 Speaker 4: at home for a quiet dinner together in order to

11:53 Speaker 4: cancel out one another's vote? That way, where was the

11:56 Speaker 4: great progress supposed to be local?

11:57 Speaker 1: He's really reaching to make this argument.

12:00 Speaker 2: He interchanges the world household for man.

12:03 Speaker 5: Yeah, remember that, Remember that every time he uses the

12:06 Speaker 5: word household, it's about the man.

12:09 Speaker 1: There's also but there's also a flaw in his logic.

12:12 Speaker 1: Well here, let me play a little bit more of this,

12:14 Speaker 1: Like men who don't.

12:15 Speaker 5: Have families can't vote?

12:18 Speaker 2: How old is bullshit?

12:20 Speaker 3: Right?

12:20 Speaker 2: Right?

12:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, good point, But there's another flaw here. But let

12:23 Speaker 1: me let me just play a little bit more of this.

12:25 Speaker 4: To be located. The net effect of women's suffrage was

12:28 Speaker 4: not an advance in women's rights, but rather part of

12:31 Speaker 4: a push to replace covenanted entities like families with raw individualism.

12:36 Speaker 4: An overweening state greatly prefers governing an aptimistic populace, where

12:40 Speaker 4: each individual is like a bebe thrown into an electoral sack.

12:43 Speaker 4: There's no structural or rigidity to it. Especially after laxity

12:46 Speaker 4: in the law concerning porn, pot and poker has now

12:50 Speaker 4: greased all the bebes. Nothing coheres anymore. In the older system,

12:54 Speaker 4: the people were grouped in molecules Birch's little platoons, some

12:57 Speaker 4: of them quite complex, and molecular societies are much more

13:01 Speaker 4: capable of resisting the demands of statism. So the suffrage

13:04 Speaker 4: movement was actually not taking up the cause of women,

13:06 Speaker 4: but rather was part of a long sustained war on

13:09 Speaker 4: the family. The nature of this kind of thinking says

13:11 Speaker 4: that a decision to aboard a child is a decision

13:14 Speaker 4: between a woman and her doctor. The father of the

13:17 Speaker 4: child is stripped of any legal ability to protect the

13:19 Speaker 4: life of his own legitimate child. We need to retrace

13:22 Speaker 4: all of our steps in order to discover how travesty

13:25 Speaker 4: like that could ever happen, And when we do, we

13:28 Speaker 4: discover that a lot of it started at Seneca fault.

13:31 Speaker 1: Now, the thing that I don't understand is so about

13:36 Speaker 1: his logic. I mean, aside from obviously I disagree with

13:38 Speaker 1: his position, but I also there's something about how he

13:41 Speaker 1: gets there that I don't quite understand. So if you've

13:44 Speaker 1: got because he uses this an example, So if you've

13:46 Speaker 1: got two if you've got two people in a household,

13:49 Speaker 1: if you've got a man and a woman who both

13:51 Speaker 1: vote the same way, you've effectively doubled the voting power

13:57 Speaker 1: of that household. Whereas if they vote, uh, if they

14:02 Speaker 1: if the two households vote differently, then they've effectively canceled

14:05 Speaker 1: out each other's vote. Like, look, I'm not good at math,

14:09 Speaker 1: But why why does that even? Why does any of

14:11 Speaker 1: that even matter? Because what if you have so.

14:14 Speaker 2: What if you collection of votes that counts? But what

14:17 Speaker 2: if you have two people vote?

14:18 Speaker 1: If you have two people in a household, though, So,

14:21 Speaker 1: if you have two people in a household and they

14:24 Speaker 1: both vote the same way, and they both vote the

14:26 Speaker 1: way you want them to do, right if if if

14:29 Speaker 1: you're a conservative and you've got a conservative couple and

14:33 Speaker 1: they both vote the same way, you've Yeah, maybe you've

14:36 Speaker 1: doubled the voting power of that household. But in that case,

14:39 Speaker 1: that's a good thing, right for you? If they voted

14:42 Speaker 1: the way you want them to vote. So it's kind

14:45 Speaker 1: of like so, for lack of a better way of

14:46 Speaker 1: putting it, I guess what I'm saying is in response

14:49 Speaker 1: to his his argument about doubling the voting power of

14:54 Speaker 1: a household and whatnot. Who fucking cares? In the end,

14:57 Speaker 1: what does it matter?

14:58 Speaker 2: Your matters that when are having a power over a man.

15:04 Speaker 1: Presenting that that woman's vote.

15:07 Speaker 5: Might cause the candidate that she likes to win, and

15:11 Speaker 5: she's not going to.

15:12 Speaker 2: Obey her husband.

15:15 Speaker 5: Is important, But that's not going to obey husband. Then

15:19 Speaker 5: she's counting. She's killing his vote because she's not obeying him.

15:23 Speaker 5: But when she is obeying him, she's giving him an abundance.

15:29 Speaker 5: But we don't want to allow either one of those.

15:31 Speaker 2: Only want the men to vote.

15:34 Speaker 5: Remember he doesn't say that a man who doesn't have

15:36 Speaker 5: a wife and kids can't vote.

15:39 Speaker 2: He says household vote. A man is a household. A

15:43 Speaker 2: woman is not.

15:46 Speaker 5: Anything right unless she's under some man's roof, then she's part.

15:52 Speaker 2: Of his household.

15:54 Speaker 5: The only exception to the rule is when a woman

15:58 Speaker 5: is allowed to be in her own had a household

16:00 Speaker 5: because our husband died, but you never divorced. Divorce is

16:05 Speaker 5: an absolute sin. And now broad in this So this

16:10 Speaker 5: is where we are right and now we.

16:12 Speaker 2: Have a Faith Office in the White House Christianity only.

16:20 Speaker 2: We have a task.

16:21 Speaker 5: Force that is supposed to weed out any anti Christian bias,

16:28 Speaker 5: and we have a Religious Liberty Commission. These things didn't

16:36 Speaker 5: exist before Trump because we recognized that in this country

16:41 Speaker 5: well anti Christian initiative, and we didn't have a breaking

16:47 Speaker 5: we didn't have a woman in the White House under

16:50 Speaker 5: this Faith office, who, by the way, thinks she can

16:53 Speaker 5: move a hurricane with a stick.

16:56 Speaker 1: Oh, Paula White, Yeah, she's a lunatic.

16:58 Speaker 2: No.

16:59 Speaker 1: But but I'm saying, though, like this isn't this isn't

17:02 Speaker 1: all new, because we we did see some of this

17:05 Speaker 1: to a to a small extent during the George W.

17:07 Speaker 1: Bush administration. And that's part not like this, No, but

17:10 Speaker 1: that's part of the reason why because if you remember conservative.

17:14 Speaker 5: Offensive that you were, Because I feel like Bush is

17:17 Speaker 5: an entirely different Republican than Trump.

17:20 Speaker 1: Oh sure, in a lot.

17:21 Speaker 5: Don't think there's I don't think that the aspects of

17:23 Speaker 5: that are are similar in any way.

17:25 Speaker 1: No, but I'm just saying, though the roots of this

17:27 Speaker 1: did pre exist Trump Trump because not actually.

17:30 Speaker 5: Well yeah, it did you got it worse than that.

17:32 Speaker 5: You got to go back to Nixon and Reagan because

17:34 Speaker 5: that's when we had prayer in schools.

17:36 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, no Reagan. Yeah, well we never had a

17:38 Speaker 1: prayer in public school.

17:39 Speaker 2: Yes we did.

17:40 Speaker 1: There was a push for it. There's always had it. Okay.

17:44 Speaker 5: I went to elementary school. In the beginning of the day,

17:47 Speaker 5: we all did the present allegiance and then there was

17:50 Speaker 5: a in Massachusetts. Yeah, then there was a prior time

17:53 Speaker 5: and the Jewish kids and the Jehovah's witness kids were

17:56 Speaker 5: were in the hallway.

17:57 Speaker 2: That surprises in the classroom. It didn't last long.

18:00 Speaker 1: That surprises me, but that happened. Okay, No, but my point,

18:05 Speaker 1: my point was. My point was though that there were

18:07 Speaker 1: like we saw a lot of this. The reason Christian Conservatives,

18:10 Speaker 1: for example, they embraced W but they didn't they never

18:14 Speaker 1: trusted his father. And the reason they never trusted his

18:16 Speaker 1: father is because Bush Senior was resistant to the Christian right.

18:21 Speaker 1: Uh he he he. He kept them in arm's length,

18:23 Speaker 1: whereas w embraced them, and he did have I don't

18:26 Speaker 1: remember specifically, but he did have some faith based initiative

18:29 Speaker 1: stuff going on during his administration.

18:31 Speaker 2: Little things.

18:32 Speaker 5: It wasn't anything that was going to amount to something

18:35 Speaker 5: somebody getting.

18:36 Speaker 2: In trouble or anything.

18:37 Speaker 5: These guys are actually literally out to get people because

18:40 Speaker 5: they have the power. Now, Oh you're anti Christian, I'm

18:43 Speaker 5: gonna sue you, like this is where.

18:44 Speaker 2: We're at right now.

18:46 Speaker 5: Yeah right, yeah, and and.

18:51 Speaker 1: No, I'm just I'm just saying no because.

18:53 Speaker 2: Government period agree.

18:56 Speaker 5: And when you ask people like you know, I mean,

18:59 Speaker 5: this is the pastor that we're talking about. Is the

19:01 Speaker 5: kind of person who's leading these people that are doing

19:03 Speaker 5: these things?

19:04 Speaker 1: Yeah?

19:05 Speaker 2: Right? Who they want this country to have?

19:09 Speaker 5: What did he say? He wanted Jesus to be the

19:12 Speaker 5: head of the country basically was his thing. And he

19:16 Speaker 5: said that Muslim, what do you say about Islamic faith?

19:21 Speaker 5: Was I don't know what he's everybody else's faith is heresy,

19:25 Speaker 5: but their version of Christianity. Right, that's literally outside the

19:32 Speaker 5: Oval office now, and that concerns me. And when you

19:36 Speaker 5: say you're going to go target people that you consider

19:39 Speaker 5: anti Christian, what does that really look like?

19:42 Speaker 2: How is that going?

19:43 Speaker 5: And is there anything going on that we don't even

19:45 Speaker 5: know yet? Like because this exists, we know it exists.

19:48 Speaker 2: What are they doing?

19:50 Speaker 1: Miriam Banish says in Texas they had a moment of

19:53 Speaker 1: silence when she was there two thousand and three to

19:56 Speaker 1: two thousand and seven. Yeah, I didn't know that was

19:58 Speaker 1: actively happening anywhere. I always here Christian conservatives talk about

20:02 Speaker 1: that like it's like a compromise. It's like, well, if

20:04 Speaker 1: you're not gonna have prayer in school.

20:05 Speaker 2: I don't remember that. You didn't have the moment silent

20:09 Speaker 2: thing either. We had that afterwards. I mean we had

20:11 Speaker 2: a long time. We had pledge of allegiance, moment of

20:15 Speaker 2: silence announcements.

20:17 Speaker 1: Just to clarify though, So I went to a Catholic school,

20:21 Speaker 1: Saint John's, and conquered from grade two to grade eight. Now,

20:26 Speaker 1: starting in ninth grade, I went to public school. It's

20:28 Speaker 1: possible there was something. I doubt it though, But if.

20:30 Speaker 5: You missed it, it's possible it's happening.

20:33 Speaker 2: Then you're only a year younger than me.

20:35 Speaker 1: I doubt it was happening.

20:37 Speaker 2: This was happening.

20:38 Speaker 1: I doubt it was happening, even in public school in

20:40 Speaker 1: New Hampshire. But but it could have been. It could

20:42 Speaker 1: have been, and I just missed it. It certainly wasn't

20:44 Speaker 1: happening because in ninth grade. In ninth grade, I started

20:47 Speaker 1: going to public school. And there was nothing even approaching

20:50 Speaker 1: anything like that in public school and conquered when I

20:53 Speaker 1: was in when I was in public school. But there

20:55 Speaker 1: could have been something that I just was never exposed to.

20:58 Speaker 1: That's certainly possible when I was.

21:00 Speaker 2: And when we moved. When I'm one of.

21:03 Speaker 5: The moves I had, I am was it eighth grade

21:07 Speaker 5: or seventh grade?

21:08 Speaker 2: You see this seventh It was the eighth grade.

21:11 Speaker 5: I ended up in a school where I was one

21:14 Speaker 5: of only two Jewish kids in the school.

21:16 Speaker 2: It was an overcrowded school back then.

21:19 Speaker 5: The schools were packed and we weren't on half day

21:23 Speaker 5: sessions where they used to do this thing when they.

21:25 Speaker 2: All to night to the days.

21:26 Speaker 5: But you could only walk around the school in one

21:28 Speaker 5: direction because it was that fall. Was that ba and

21:31 Speaker 5: at Christmas time, I guess they had always traditionally just

21:35 Speaker 5: had like Christmas stuff up, but now that they had

21:38 Speaker 5: two Jewish kids.

21:41 Speaker 2: And I made an offhanded remock once.

21:43 Speaker 5: About see, you know, I see all the Christmas stuff,

21:45 Speaker 5: how come there's nothing bahanika?

21:47 Speaker 2: And all of a sudden there was, and I was

21:50 Speaker 2: like the pariah. Yeah yeah, And then we did.

21:55 Speaker 5: Hanka got added to the Christmas program, and they stopped

22:00 Speaker 5: calling it the Christmas thing not long after that and

22:03 Speaker 5: started calling it the Fall Concert or whatever.

22:06 Speaker 2: But it was called the Christmas like it. You know.

22:11 Speaker 5: I think about that stuff and how uncomfortable it was,

22:15 Speaker 5: and then we moved so far past that people expressing

22:21 Speaker 5: themselves and having their own face, and now here we

22:23 Speaker 5: are and all of that progress is being completely stripped away,

22:30 Speaker 5: piece by piece, and I worry that this Christian nationalist,

22:36 Speaker 5: uber uber right wing is going to do irreparable harm

22:42 Speaker 5: that we can't undo.

22:45 Speaker 2: I mean, there's already so much going on.

22:47 Speaker 5: I mean, it's these belief systems that endorse the belief

22:51 Speaker 5: that we should pull people out of their car because

22:53 Speaker 5: they look Mexican and find out if they're really if

22:56 Speaker 5: they here legally or not, and that we as a

22:59 Speaker 5: society had a long time ago said nobody in law

23:03 Speaker 5: enforcement should be able to what was the word I'm

23:07 Speaker 5: word searching here, what was the word for it? When

23:10 Speaker 5: you when you highlight somebody you're looking for a particular

23:14 Speaker 5: rate profiling, profiling?

23:16 Speaker 2: Thank you? Yeah, Remember that was a big deal.

23:19 Speaker 5: It was in the news, and they did away with

23:21 Speaker 5: racial profiling. We weren't going to allow that in law enforcement.

23:24 Speaker 5: Now now we're encouraging it. You know, now we're encouraging it.

23:29 Speaker 5: And that certainly isn't going to affect the uh, you know,

23:33 Speaker 5: the white africata, but it's sures heck is going to

23:36 Speaker 5: affect anybody whose skin.

23:37 Speaker 2: Is slightly brown. Miriam looks slightly Asian.

23:44 Speaker 1: Miriam says. In the chat room, my artistic kid had

23:46 Speaker 1: his hands held down on the table because he was

23:48 Speaker 1: fidgeting during a moment of silence. So I assume this

23:51 Speaker 1: was back in Texas. He wasn't making noise or hurting

23:54 Speaker 1: anyone or damaging property, and they basically used a form

23:56 Speaker 1: of restraint.

23:58 Speaker 5: Yes, yep, yeah, yeah, yeah, exactly exactly. And we're and

24:02 Speaker 5: now that's being brought back up. I mean, you go

24:05 Speaker 5: further with hegsas belief system. They believe that the.

24:11 Speaker 2: Not just they want the Constitution.

24:14 Speaker 5: Is one thing, but they want the Ten Commandments in

24:16 Speaker 5: every classroom, and they want prior in every classroom. And

24:22 Speaker 5: you know, the every day should start with that, every

24:25 Speaker 5: day should start with praising an idol and you know,

24:30 Speaker 5: professing Christian belief, his.

24:34 Speaker 2: Version of I want to clarify that.

24:36 Speaker 5: His their version of Christianity, because there are a lot

24:39 Speaker 5: of good Christians out.

24:40 Speaker 2: There that don't have these belief systems.

24:44 Speaker 5: Right, you know, don't believe that a woman should be

24:47 Speaker 5: stripped of her individuality and be melded under the man

24:51 Speaker 5: in her household, be it her father, her brother, her husband.

24:56 Speaker 5: And these these people are in decision making positions now

25:01 Speaker 5: that are setting laws that are literally putting people in

25:04 Speaker 5: jail right in concentration styled camps.

25:09 Speaker 1: Miriam said in the chat, if someone isn't raised with religion,

25:11 Speaker 1: how would they choose the religion, the right religion. Well,

25:15 Speaker 1: that's the fallacy, and that's the basic that's the giant,

25:18 Speaker 1: gaping logic hole in religion begin with.

25:22 Speaker 2: Let me let me dive into that little hole.

25:24 Speaker 5: And add to that, As somebody who wasn't raised in religion,

25:28 Speaker 5: I knew of things from different sides. It was very

25:32 Speaker 5: easy to fall prey to somebody who said this is

25:35 Speaker 5: the right, this is the way, The truth is the light. Yeah,

25:38 Speaker 5: you know, nobody get it. You know, nobody gets to

25:40 Speaker 5: the father up by me. You know, when somebody you

25:43 Speaker 5: know is dearly beloved, He would say to us, pastor drole,

25:47 Speaker 5: dearly beloved. You know, I was seventeen when I started

25:51 Speaker 5: going to that church, and this man convinced.

25:54 Speaker 2: Me that this is the way to go.

25:58 Speaker 5: All the women wore dresses, never pants. In fact, I

26:01 Speaker 5: got seen in a pair of jeens, and I felt shame.

26:07 Speaker 2: For being seed in jeans.

26:09 Speaker 5: Out in public, right because they made me feel that way,

26:14 Speaker 5: and the way the men carried themselves and the way

26:16 Speaker 5: the women carried themselves, especially as as somebody who grew

26:22 Speaker 5: up with some serious issues, really crazy ass bad childhood,

26:28 Speaker 5: and somebody who wasn't secure in her own femininity to

26:31 Speaker 5: be around these women who are the ultimate feminine in

26:35 Speaker 5: skirts and phillies and only their wedding bands, and maybe

26:40 Speaker 5: I don't think they were any jewelry except the wedding band.

26:43 Speaker 2: You know, that's the woman I'm supposed to be, and

26:47 Speaker 2: I'm not. What's wrong with me? My whole life was

26:51 Speaker 2: what's wrong with me? Why I like?

26:55 Speaker 5: And that was such an easy prey for right, I

26:59 Speaker 5: was really easy prey, and I ended up carrying those

27:03 Speaker 5: beliefs for most of my life, and my own thoughts

27:08 Speaker 5: would be pretty bad if I caught myself sinning. And

27:15 Speaker 5: now they're running the country, and they're changing our classrooms,

27:18 Speaker 5: and they want the Bible in the classroom, and they

27:21 Speaker 5: want the Ten Commandments on the wall, and they want

27:24 Speaker 5: Christianity to rule over everything, including our governments. And anybody

27:29 Speaker 5: who's Hindu or a Muslim, or a Jewish or atheist

27:34 Speaker 5: or anything other than his brand is demon possessed.

27:42 Speaker 2: That's what he said. Demon that's that, pastor.

27:45 Speaker 5: And you've got I think we saw the video and

27:48 Speaker 5: you guys, yeah, that might be the one.

27:52 Speaker 2: I don't or it might have been.

27:53 Speaker 5: No, it might not be, because it was one I

27:55 Speaker 5: was watching without you where he literally said, what's wrong

27:58 Speaker 5: with the world is that is a is this demon possession?

28:02 Speaker 5: So base and that's part of what's right. So democrats

28:05 Speaker 5: are demons? Oh yeah, ideology is Satan stew right, that's

28:13 Speaker 5: what there's There's no.

28:14 Speaker 2: More you know, people people talking to each other.

28:20 Speaker 1: I have a I have a family member who sends

28:22 Speaker 1: me text messages that say things like that, and in

28:25 Speaker 1: the same text message, he'll criticize me for my ad

28:27 Speaker 1: hominem attacks on the right while he's calling me a

28:30 Speaker 1: demon rat and saying I believe.

28:32 Speaker 2: In calling you all.

28:35 Speaker 1: This other stuff. Yeah, it's kind of.

28:36 Speaker 5: It's kind of funny how once you talk to somebody

28:39 Speaker 5: you love is.

28:43 Speaker 1: I do have I do have one more video here

28:45 Speaker 1: of Pastor Wilson. I think we should grab this. Let's

28:49 Speaker 1: see which one didn't I blow this one.

28:51 Speaker 4: I didn't play yet. Women are the kind of people

28:53 Speaker 4: that people come out of.

28:55 Speaker 6: So you just think they're meant to have babies.

28:59 Speaker 4: No, it's doesn't take any talent to simply reproduce biologically.

29:03 Speaker 4: The wife and mother who is the chief executive of

29:06 Speaker 4: the home is entrusted with three or four or five

29:11 Speaker 4: eternal souls.

29:12 Speaker 6: I'm here as a.

29:13 Speaker 1: Working By the way, notice he said three or four

29:16 Speaker 1: or five? Did you catch that?

29:19 Speaker 2: Yes?

29:19 Speaker 1: I did, because because a big deal is a big

29:22 Speaker 1: part of their deal is have as many children as possible. Yes,

29:25 Speaker 1: have as many children as possible. That's a big that's

29:28 Speaker 1: a big part.

29:28 Speaker 2: Of the correct children. Now, we got to give birth

29:31 Speaker 2: to the right, the right children.

29:32 Speaker 1: Yes, exactly.

29:34 Speaker 2: That's why you have to get anybody who's brown out

29:36 Speaker 2: of the country.

29:37 Speaker 1: Right. That must be. That must be what it is. Yeah,

29:39 Speaker 1: that's what I mean.

29:40 Speaker 2: That's my theory.

29:40 Speaker 5: Anyway, while we're rounding up human beings based on what

29:44 Speaker 5: they look like, right, a.

29:45 Speaker 6: Mom of three?

29:46 Speaker 4: Good for you?

29:47 Speaker 6: Is that an issue?

29:48 Speaker 4: No? No, it's not automatically an issue.

29:50 Speaker 7: Christ Church senior past is the leader of a Christianology

29:54 Speaker 7: movement that believes in a patriarchal society where men are

29:58 Speaker 7: dominant and women are expected to submit to their husbands.

30:02 Speaker 7: Josh and Amy Prince a lot with their four kids,

30:04 Speaker 7: move from Washington State to Moscow, Idaho, where Wilson's movement

30:08 Speaker 7: is based.

30:09 Speaker 2: Do you see Amy as your equal?

30:12 Speaker 4: Yes?

30:12 Speaker 1: And no, in the sense that we're both saved by grace,

30:16 Speaker 1: We're absolutely on equal footing, but we have very different

30:19 Speaker 1: purposes God given.

30:21 Speaker 2: But do you see.

30:22 Speaker 6: Yourself as the head of the household, as the man

30:25 Speaker 6: he is the head of our household? Yes, and I

30:29 Speaker 6: do submit to him, So like moving here, I was

30:32 Speaker 6: just your decision.

30:34 Speaker 2: Yes, that's a great it's a great example.

30:36 Speaker 7: Wilson says, in his vision of a Christian society, women

30:39 Speaker 7: as individuals shouldn't be able to vote. His fellow pastors

30:42 Speaker 7: Jared Longshore and Toby Sumpter agree.

30:45 Speaker 4: In my ideal society, we would vote as households, and

30:49 Speaker 4: I would ordinarily be the one that would cast the vote.

30:51 Speaker 4: But I would cast the vote having discussed it with

30:54 Speaker 4: my household.

30:56 Speaker 1: Really, Oh yeah, I trust you, right, I.

31:01 Speaker 2: Trust about it.

31:02 Speaker 1: We talked about it. Yeah, we discussed it.

31:05 Speaker 2: Yeah.

31:05 Speaker 6: But if there's your wife doesn't want to vote for

31:07 Speaker 6: the same person as you, right, well, then.

31:10 Speaker 4: That's a great opportunity for a good discussion.

31:12 Speaker 2: There are some who have gone so he's still going

31:14 Speaker 2: to vote. His wife want the nineteenth and movement repealed.

31:16 Speaker 4: I would support that, and I support it on the

31:18 Speaker 4: basis that the atomization that comes with our current system

31:24 Speaker 4: is not good for humans.

31:26 Speaker 7: And Wilson, a veteran himself, is unapologetic about his view

31:30 Speaker 7: that women shouldn't be in certain leadership or combat roles.

31:33 Speaker 6: Looking at the leadership page for christ Church, it's all men.

31:38 Speaker 6: Do you accept women and leadership roles in the church and.

31:41 Speaker 4: Government in the church now? Because the Bible says it's

31:44 Speaker 4: not to.

31:45 Speaker 8: Well, that's not what happens in the Bible. Women do

31:47 Speaker 8: lead all the time.

31:49 Speaker 7: Progressive Faith leader Reverend Jennifer Butler is concerned about Wilson's

31:53 Speaker 7: growing influence.

31:54 Speaker 8: He is rapidly gaining in power. He has hundreds of

31:58 Speaker 8: churches established around the country. They actually literally want to

32:02 Speaker 8: take over towns and cities, and they have access to

32:06 Speaker 8: this administration.

32:07 Speaker 7: Wilson's highest level connection to the administration is Defence Secretary

32:10 Speaker 7: Pete Hegseth.

32:11 Speaker 4: It's not organizationally tied to us, but it's the kind

32:16 Speaker 4: of thing we love to see.

32:17 Speaker 7: For his part, hag Seth has publicly praised Wilson.

32:20 Speaker 1: Now we're standing on the shoulders of a generation later,

32:24 Speaker 1: the Doug Wilson's and the other. So there you go.

32:28 Speaker 1: So yeah, he's so, this isn't something where you know,

32:31 Speaker 1: we're just making assumptions or no, you know, we're.

32:35 Speaker 5: Literally repeating what these people are saying, like they're not

32:37 Speaker 5: hiding their crap anymore.

32:39 Speaker 2: It's on.

32:39 Speaker 1: He Seth is all in. Heg Seth is all in.

32:42 Speaker 5: They used to say only behind closed doors are out

32:46 Speaker 5: in the open now because they feel emboldened and they

32:49 Speaker 5: have the power and they're getting away with it.

32:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you know. Miriam says, I was raised vaguely

32:58 Speaker 1: Protestant and my dad was agnostic. My mom left when

33:02 Speaker 1: uh oh, my mom felt we should be free to

33:04 Speaker 1: choose what to believe. So I tried a few things

33:07 Speaker 1: that was empowering, and what I found was that I

33:08 Speaker 1: didn't need it to be a good person. I like

33:11 Speaker 1: Unitarian Universalists because the idea is that the community is

33:14 Speaker 1: there to help you discover that best path for you.

33:19 Speaker 5: Now there's a story out of this Doug Wilson church,

33:24 Speaker 5: and you guys can look it up on your own.

33:27 Speaker 2: The story that I read, and that's I'm just repeating

33:30 Speaker 2: what I read.

33:31 Speaker 5: Is that he had a member in his church who

33:36 Speaker 5: was a pedophile.

33:38 Speaker 9: Oh, he had worked with this man who repented and

33:45 Speaker 9: was forgiven, and then the church helped him.

33:48 Speaker 2: Find a wife, and then they.

33:50 Speaker 5: Had a baby boy who he then assaulted the baby boy,

33:57 Speaker 5: and then he went to the church and confessed that

34:01 Speaker 5: he assaulted that he.

34:05 Speaker 2: A baby boy.

34:08 Speaker 5: And because he confessed and repented, he was forgiven.

34:14 Speaker 1: Oh good, So no need to get the law involved, ob.

34:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, nothing to see here, move along with. Yeah, that's it.

34:23 Speaker 2: That's all you gotta do.

34:24 Speaker 1: That's all you gotta do.

34:25 Speaker 2: I'm sorry, you.

34:28 Speaker 5: Kill somebody, yo, God, Well we were all good, right

34:31 Speaker 5: hey sorry?

34:32 Speaker 2: Yeah? Yeah, So that's the bleef. That's the bleef. So

34:35 Speaker 2: this man, right that, this is this is the caliber

34:38 Speaker 2: of human And if you and.

34:44 Speaker 5: The Handmaid's Tale, nothing in the Handmaid's Tale that I

34:49 Speaker 5: wrote was not something that had happened or is happening

34:53 Speaker 5: in this world. Every aspect of the society that she

34:57 Speaker 5: wrote about are things that actually happened, you know. And

35:02 Speaker 5: in the Handmaid's Tail, men can do no wrong and

35:06 Speaker 5: they still have their plocivities, their.

35:13 Speaker 2: Kinks. Right.

35:16 Speaker 5: There's a place in the book where it's called Jezebel's

35:18 Speaker 5: where the commanders the men go and sleep with whatever

35:22 Speaker 5: woman is being kept there who is a sex slave,

35:26 Speaker 5: and then they go home to their dutiful wives and

35:29 Speaker 5: thump the Bible. You know, that is what I see here,

35:36 Speaker 5: these these Bible thumping holier than now bastards who dehumanize

35:43 Speaker 5: their women and their daughters. And anybody who doesn't believe

35:48 Speaker 5: their way is a demon.

35:51 Speaker 2: You're either demon to possessed, he said, or I don't

35:56 Speaker 2: know if.

35:56 Speaker 5: It was ignorant or something, but he basically believes that

35:59 Speaker 5: any but that doesn't believe the way he does is

36:01 Speaker 5: because they're demon possessed, right, like for reals, Like they

36:07 Speaker 5: really do think that.

36:08 Speaker 2: So when they hurt somebody, they think they're hurting this demon.

36:13 Speaker 1: M Yeah, it's a good work around. Yeah, yep, that's

36:18 Speaker 1: not about the hue. It's a demon, right right.

36:21 Speaker 2: Calls women hunts harlots.

36:26 Speaker 5: Yeah, women are not supposed to be in charge because

36:32 Speaker 5: also they're devious.

36:35 Speaker 1: Remember the Apple, Yes, that's where it all started.

36:40 Speaker 5: And have a pension for the evils.

36:46 Speaker 1: That must be where the word evil comes from. Eve

36:49 Speaker 1: never thought of that before.

36:50 Speaker 2: Actually, I have to look that one up. I'm not sure.

36:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, I never thought of that till now.

36:54 Speaker 5: But when I mean, when you really get into those

36:59 Speaker 5: beliefs system, it is very powerful and very dangerous, and

37:08 Speaker 5: now it's being wielded against anybody who isn't one of them,

37:13 Speaker 5: anybody who isn't going to toe the line of one

37:15 Speaker 5: of them, Like if you're not the white heterosexual male

37:20 Speaker 5: that they want you to be, if.

37:22 Speaker 2: You're supporting them, they're going to have you to dinner.

37:26 Speaker 2: Oh yeah.

37:26 Speaker 5: Ask a few people who are from Cuba how they

37:29 Speaker 5: feel about that. Who had dinners with the Republicans down there.

37:32 Speaker 5: Vote for us, We're going to give you back your nation,

37:36 Speaker 5: and now you can see videos of them crying. Yes,

37:42 Speaker 5: because they voted for Trump. They believed everything they said,

37:45 Speaker 5: and now their loved ones are being deported.

37:47 Speaker 1: Yep, I don't have any sympathy for them, just for

37:50 Speaker 1: the record.

37:50 Speaker 2: But I'm just saying, this is how these people operate.

37:54 Speaker 5: Oh you're a black man, come on in, Come on, honey,

37:58 Speaker 5: just make sure you marry your own kind.

38:00 Speaker 2: Because if you think that doesn't exist in this type

38:02 Speaker 2: of church, you're wrong.

38:04 Speaker 1: Of course your is wrong.

38:06 Speaker 2: It totally does. And anybody who's not them is not

38:11 Speaker 2: equal to them.

38:12 Speaker 5: Think of a caste system, because that's basically what we're

38:15 Speaker 5: being set up into now.

38:17 Speaker 2: The uber elites are running everything.

38:20 Speaker 5: They're getting the tax breaks, they get shit tons of

38:23 Speaker 5: tax dollars.

38:25 Speaker 2: I mean, hard.

38:26 Speaker 5: Working people, citizens and non citizens get money taken out

38:31 Speaker 5: of their paychecks long before they ever see a dime.

38:34 Speaker 2: And that money is now going into the pockets of

38:37 Speaker 2: the people that we're talking.

38:38 Speaker 5: About, and they're going into the CEOs of these companies

38:42 Speaker 5: that make twenty million dollars a year annual salary, never

38:46 Speaker 5: mind their perks and bonuses.

38:47 Speaker 2: Who the fuck needs twenty million dollars a year to

38:49 Speaker 2: live well.

38:51 Speaker 1: Not only that, but look at people like Doug Wilson.

38:54 Speaker 1: You know he lives very well. He's a very wealthy man.

38:57 Speaker 1: A lot of these these religious leaders are very, very wealthy.

39:01 Speaker 1: That's why I I you know, and again i'll i'll these.

39:04 Speaker 2: Churches, somebody these churches a million dollars.

39:08 Speaker 1: And you know, I get and again I get accused

39:10 Speaker 1: by a family member of being anti Christian when I

39:13 Speaker 1: say this stuff. But it's like, I'm actually not anti Christian.

39:16 Speaker 1: I think I think Gandhi was right. You know when

39:19 Speaker 1: Gandhi I can never get the exact quote right when

39:20 Speaker 1: he said, it's it's it's not it's it's not your

39:23 Speaker 1: christ I don't like. It's your Christians. I don't like

39:25 Speaker 1: because they're so unlike your christ Or as a friend

39:28 Speaker 1: of mine used to paraphrase, I have a friend who

39:31 Speaker 1: passed away a few years ago, but he used to

39:32 Speaker 1: say his version of that was Christianity is a great idea.

39:35 Speaker 1: Somebody should actually try it, because you know, these people

39:39 Speaker 1: so so blatantly, so flagrantly. I call it ironic Christianity,

39:45 Speaker 1: you know, which is this this version of Christianity where

39:48 Speaker 1: you you say you love Christ and he's your savior

39:51 Speaker 1: while actively having as little to do as possible with

39:55 Speaker 1: anything Christ actually said or taught and behaviors. Yeah, exactly exactly.

40:01 Speaker 1: That's why you know, I'm pretty skeptical about all of it,

40:06 Speaker 1: because I don't think any of these people actually it's far.

40:08 Speaker 5: Does Jesus say, for I was a stranger in your

40:11 Speaker 5: land and you fed me.

40:13 Speaker 2: For I was a stranger.

40:14 Speaker 5: There's a whole section of the Bible, and Jesus says,

40:17 Speaker 5: you know, you fed me, you clothed me, you housed me,

40:20 Speaker 5: you did right by me. And then he goes after

40:23 Speaker 5: the people on the other side and he says, for

40:25 Speaker 5: I was a stranger in your land, and you did

40:27 Speaker 5: not feed me, and you did.

40:29 Speaker 2: Not clothe me.

40:31 Speaker 5: Yes, and he casts them down because they're not the

40:36 Speaker 5: real Christian. The real Christian is the one who brought

40:39 Speaker 5: them in. The real Christian is the one that goes

40:42 Speaker 5: over to the poor and feeds them and clothes them.

40:47 Speaker 2: And here's the kicker for you.

40:48 Speaker 5: Okay, the whole thing about government is not going to

40:52 Speaker 5: doesn't want to do charity things. You know, we're not

40:55 Speaker 5: gonna We shouldn't have food stamps. We should have churches

40:57 Speaker 5: with food banks, that's the answer. We shouldn't have free

41:02 Speaker 5: things because the churches will do it.

41:05 Speaker 2: These are the churches, and they're not doing it.

41:08 Speaker 5: And then yeah, so the same people who are saying

41:11 Speaker 5: the church is to be doing it. Are the same

41:13 Speaker 5: people who are that the leaders in these churches who

41:16 Speaker 5: won't freaking do it right you want?

41:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, sorry, I just wanted to say to be fair.

41:22 Speaker 1: So when we talk about this, you know, we're talking

41:24 Speaker 1: about the churches that are obviously all about the money,

41:26 Speaker 1: or at least obviously those of us who are looking

41:28 Speaker 1: at them with a critical eye. There are I just

41:31 Speaker 1: want to acknowledge that it. You know, in communities all

41:34 Speaker 1: across the country, there are also small churches that actually

41:38 Speaker 1: do do things for the community like run soup kitchens

41:42 Speaker 1: and various charities and food drives and clothing drives and everything.

41:45 Speaker 1: So I want to acknowledge that too. I don't want

41:47 Speaker 1: to paint everybody with that.

41:48 Speaker 2: Yeah.

41:51 Speaker 1: Yeah, there are people who are actually, believe it or not,

41:54 Speaker 1: trying to do Christ's work in communities all across the country,

41:57 Speaker 1: and they they need to be uh acknowledged and praised

42:02 Speaker 1: for that because they're actually they're actually doing something good.

42:05 Speaker 1: So we don't want to pay with a broadbrush. But

42:07 Speaker 1: we're talking about the Charlatans who unfortunately are the ones

42:10 Speaker 1: who get all the media coverage, who are who are

42:12 Speaker 1: not doing Christ's work because my theory is they're they're atheists.

42:17 Speaker 1: I always say this about televangelists. There's no way they

42:19 Speaker 1: actually believe in God, because if they like people like.

42:22 Speaker 2: People away themselves that they do.

42:24 Speaker 1: No, No, I don't think it's even that. I have a

42:25 Speaker 1: different theory about that. I know everyone says that, but

42:28 Speaker 1: I think they do. I think no. I think they're

42:30 Speaker 1: full on atheists. I'll tell you why, because if there

42:33 Speaker 1: were any part of them that actually believed, wouldn't they

42:36 Speaker 1: be afraid of going to hell for what they do?

42:40 Speaker 1: I think they will. I think they're aists because they are.

42:44 Speaker 2: I think they believe in what they're saying. When I

42:48 Speaker 2: lived in Kentucky, he is a guy. I lived in

42:51 Speaker 2: Kentucky and I worked in a real sweatshop.

42:55 Speaker 5: So in factory we made pajamas and I had a

42:59 Speaker 5: like so sleeves onto these shirts, and you had to

43:02 Speaker 5: look at your machine.

43:04 Speaker 2: If you were caught looking at somebody else, you'd get.

43:06 Speaker 5: Yelled at in front of everybody and threatened with getting fired.

43:11 Speaker 2: No talking, nothing.

43:14 Speaker 5: They There were multiple times that Friday would roll around

43:17 Speaker 5: and they'd tell us that the banks screwed something up,

43:20 Speaker 5: and when our paychecks weren't there, or you'd go to

43:23 Speaker 5: the bank to cash your paycheck and.

43:24 Speaker 2: It would bounce. There wouldn't bet any money left in

43:27 Speaker 2: the account if you didn't get there fast enough to

43:29 Speaker 2: hit your paycheck.

43:30 Speaker 5: But every Friday at three pm, we were to shut

43:34 Speaker 5: our machines off and they would play original Sin doctrine

43:39 Speaker 5: sermons over the speakers.

43:42 Speaker 2: If you didn't want to listen to it, you.

43:44 Speaker 5: Were supposed to go back to work. But if you

43:47 Speaker 5: turned your machine on and went back to work, somebody

43:49 Speaker 5: would yell at you that they couldn't hear the sermons. Right,

43:52 Speaker 5: he's seen holier than and they believed, Oh did they?

43:57 Speaker 2: Lord?

43:58 Speaker 10: I understand that they the office and literally the one

44:02 Speaker 10: that came out of the office and said to me,

44:04 Speaker 10: the reason we weren't getting paid was because the fax

44:07 Speaker 10: machine messed up the numbers when they sent it.

44:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, So I told him I knew how a fax

44:11 Speaker 2: machine worked.

44:12 Speaker 5: And I went home with my paycheck, and I was

44:14 Speaker 5: told that I was to say nothing or I would

44:16 Speaker 5: be fired, and so would my husband.

44:19 Speaker 2: But these are the same people here.

44:21 Speaker 5: These guys make so much money off of the faithful,

44:25 Speaker 5: but they believe wholeheartedly that God wants them to do this.

44:30 Speaker 2: God wants them to have these things just to clarify

44:33 Speaker 2: them for the hard work that they're doing.

44:36 Speaker 1: It's it's it's called it's called prosperity gospel. But what

44:40 Speaker 1: I'm I'm just saying, I'm talking about the people at

44:42 Speaker 1: the very top, the very top, like Kenneth Copeland, Paula White,

44:46 Speaker 1: Joel Olstein. I just I.

44:48 Speaker 2: Personally, she expused.

44:51 Speaker 1: No, no, No, that's what I'm saying. I believe I

44:53 Speaker 1: believe that they don't believe at all. I'm saying this

44:56 Speaker 1: is purely a business.

44:58 Speaker 2: That's right by that. I'm surprise that you say that.

45:01 Speaker 1: Did I say what that?

45:03 Speaker 2: You don't think they're real believers?

45:07 Speaker 1: You're you're surprised. No, I don't. I don't think. I

45:09 Speaker 1: don't think that's what I'm Yeah, I don't think Paula

45:11 Speaker 1: what they really.

45:12 Speaker 2: I do believe she does. I do think she's a

45:15 Speaker 2: true believer.

45:16 Speaker 5: I think she so believes that she's been chosen by

45:20 Speaker 5: this power that if she gets us stinging in her foot,

45:24 Speaker 5: it's God's telling her something.

45:25 Speaker 1: No, it's a business. It's a business to them. It's

45:28 Speaker 1: a business to them.

45:29 Speaker 2: They I will agree to disagree with you.

45:32 Speaker 1: I mean, who knows. I mean who knows. I don't know.

45:34 Speaker 1: I don't know what what goes on in their brains

45:36 Speaker 1: are in their hearts. But no, I don't my That's

45:38 Speaker 1: always been my theory that that I'm talking about. I'm

45:41 Speaker 1: talking about the really rich televangelists like Paula White, Joel Oldstein.

45:46 Speaker 1: I don't. I don't think they don't believe that. I

45:49 Speaker 1: don't think that they actually believe that there's a deity

45:52 Speaker 1: who's going to judge them when they die. Because if

45:54 Speaker 1: they actually believed that, wouldn't they be afraid to to

45:58 Speaker 1: do what they do? And then?

46:00 Speaker 2: Know?

46:01 Speaker 5: You see, all right, let me let me say I

46:04 Speaker 5: lived in Kentucky for three years, and you want to

46:06 Speaker 5: talk about uber uber Christian, like these people are Christians

46:11 Speaker 5: you've never met?

46:12 Speaker 1: No, but that's not who I'm talking about.

46:15 Speaker 2: But that's what I know.

46:17 Speaker 5: I disagree with you there. These people are those people.

46:21 Speaker 5: They are those believers that carry it like a badge

46:26 Speaker 5: of courage, and they truly believe there's something magical inside them.

46:30 Speaker 2: When that woman stands on your there, Ryan, and she

46:33 Speaker 2: believes that God is going to.

46:35 Speaker 5: Give her the strength to move a hurricane with a

46:38 Speaker 5: stick while she's speaking in tongues.

46:42 Speaker 1: Yes, oh, yes, she knows.

46:45 Speaker 2: Yet she knows. They believe that ship, lockstock and barrel.

46:52 Speaker 2: They'll fight you over it. They'll kill you.

46:54 Speaker 5: My action my father in law Breton to shoot me.

47:00 Speaker 2: He was gonna like threaten to kill me.

47:01 Speaker 1: Sure what I'm talking about?

47:03 Speaker 2: Me? Accuse me of doing witchcraft?

47:06 Speaker 1: Letting hun No, I understand that. But I'm talking about the.

47:08 Speaker 2: People, these people. I've met, these people.

47:11 Speaker 5: I've met some of these people who have a ship

47:13 Speaker 5: ton of money and they justify it.

47:16 Speaker 1: I know, prosperity. I'm talking about the people at the

47:20 Speaker 1: very top though they believe.

47:22 Speaker 2: Oh no, I think they believe it. I think they're

47:25 Speaker 2: firm believers. I don't think you think Joel.

47:27 Speaker 1: You think Joel also actually believes as a God judge

47:30 Speaker 1: when he dies.

47:31 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, but he doesn't believe God's going to judge

47:35 Speaker 5: him poorly. They don't fear judgment. You got to understand something, too, honey.

47:40 Speaker 5: A lot of these people believe that once in grace,

47:44 Speaker 5: always engrace. Once you're saved, you're always saved, right.

47:47 Speaker 1: Which gives you all, which gives you a perpetual get

47:50 Speaker 1: out of jail free.

47:51 Speaker 2: Ever you commit, always e grace.

47:54 Speaker 5: And if you don't believe one hundred percent and that

47:57 Speaker 5: you believe that once you repent, you're As long as

48:01 Speaker 5: you ask God for forgiveness, you go to heaven.

48:03 Speaker 2: So no matter what you do, even if you come

48:05 Speaker 2: to believe.

48:06 Speaker 5: That something you did was wrong, as long as you've

48:08 Speaker 5: prayed on it and turned it over to God.

48:13 Speaker 2: Left it on the altar.

48:15 Speaker 1: Well, well, so do you believe that Trump actually believes

48:18 Speaker 1: all of his own bullshit or is this a con see?

48:21 Speaker 1: I apply the same sea. I look at Trumps the

48:23 Speaker 1: same way I look at these televangelists, because I also

48:26 Speaker 1: know that that Trump is a con man, and he's

48:28 Speaker 1: just conned millions of people who are gullible enough to

48:31 Speaker 1: believe he found.

48:33 Speaker 5: He tapped in and realized how much power there Isn't that?

48:41 Speaker 5: Because if they stand in front of you with the

48:43 Speaker 5: Bible preaching gospel, and preaching gospel means you're saying anything godly.

48:50 Speaker 1: Yah.

48:50 Speaker 2: So Trump's standing there with the Bible and saying something

48:54 Speaker 2: godly is God? This is God moving through him? Say

49:00 Speaker 2: you believe it?

49:01 Speaker 5: Looks that's why he can't do anything wrong, because God

49:04 Speaker 5: is directing it all right, and as a plan for it.

49:07 Speaker 1: They believe he was chosen by God.

49:09 Speaker 2: Only he knows.

49:11 Speaker 5: What he You cannot understand the wonders of the Lord.

49:14 Speaker 5: You have to put your faith in trust in it.

49:17 Speaker 1: And that's why.

49:19 Speaker 2: Wanted to win. He wanted to win.

49:21 Speaker 5: He also wanted to stay out of jail. And he

49:23 Speaker 5: saw that these people latched on.

49:25 Speaker 2: And he realized that if he gave them the Christianity

49:28 Speaker 2: they were looking.

49:29 Speaker 5: For, they'd be in like crazy all over him. And

49:33 Speaker 5: that's exactly what's happened. All he does is give them

49:36 Speaker 5: what they want, and they're happy, and he keeps them

49:40 Speaker 5: and he keeps their their support and their favoritism and

49:43 Speaker 5: all of that. And that's all he kids about. I

49:45 Speaker 5: don't think he knows shit about the freaking Bible. Anybody

49:49 Speaker 5: who stands there and goes two Corinthians has never read

49:53 Speaker 5: the fucking Bible, because you don't even know how it works.

49:56 Speaker 2: Well.

49:56 Speaker 1: My favorite, my favorite clip of all time was when

50:00 Speaker 1: down No, No, When who's at John Heilman and who

50:04 Speaker 1: is the other guy? Rob halpern h This was back

50:07 Speaker 1: during the twenty sixteen campaign, when they asked him after

50:09 Speaker 1: a debate was was he, you know, if he had

50:11 Speaker 1: a specific passage in the Bible that He's like, oh no,

50:16 Speaker 1: I like all of it. And they asked him, well,

50:17 Speaker 1: are you of a more of an Old Testament guy

50:18 Speaker 1: or a New Testament guy? And he goes, well, you know,

50:21 Speaker 1: I think I like them both equally.

50:23 Speaker 5: It's like.

50:26 Speaker 1: But but and yet these Christian conservatives they're so easily

50:29 Speaker 1: conned by it.

50:30 Speaker 5: And they also they shold them very much to New Testament.

50:34 Speaker 5: Only Old Testament. It was done away with with, was

50:38 Speaker 5: fulfilled by Jesus. So you follow the New Testament. The

50:42 Speaker 5: Old Testament isn't needed anymore.

50:46 Speaker 1: Well, but the Old Testament is the world. But the

50:49 Speaker 1: Old well, but they go to the Old Testament.

50:52 Speaker 5: Of course, they validate shit, they'll validate stories or whatever

50:56 Speaker 5: you mean testament, But that's not how you live by.

50:58 Speaker 5: You live by what's in the New Testament and what

51:02 Speaker 5: Jesus said.

51:03 Speaker 2: So we're not doing burnt offers.

51:04 Speaker 5: No, they don't do that, schal We move to Sundays

51:08 Speaker 5: instead of Saturdays.

51:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, but they don't give a about They don't give

51:11 Speaker 1: a shit about Jesus either, though, like that don't I mean,

51:14 Speaker 1: I mean, they love him and they accept him as

51:15 Speaker 1: a savior, but they don't actually care about anything you

51:17 Speaker 1: said or did.

51:18 Speaker 2: Oh, they do. They believe it.

51:20 Speaker 5: I'm living a godly life by following Jesus's teachings.

51:24 Speaker 1: But they don't. Though they don't, they don't.

51:26 Speaker 2: Believe they are, they firmly believe they are. Well, I

51:31 Speaker 2: think they I think they believe it.

51:33 Speaker 1: I think they kind of treat Jesus like he's like

51:36 Speaker 1: the drunk uncle at Thanksgiving, Like, you know, we love him,

51:40 Speaker 1: he's part of the family. But if Jesus wants to

51:42 Speaker 1: just go to bed now and not say anything else

51:44 Speaker 1: crazy like you know, you should take care of poor

51:46 Speaker 1: people or not let children starve or something. We've had

51:50 Speaker 1: enough of that, Jesus. Why don't you just going on

51:51 Speaker 1: the bed.

51:52 Speaker 2: Get those pots that are inconvenient.

51:53 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, of course it's all inconvenient.

51:57 Speaker 5: They take and they twist, you know, take take any

52:00 Speaker 5: section of Scripture handed to ten Christians, and they're all

52:03 Speaker 5: gonna come up with it. Who can you know, they'll

52:05 Speaker 5: come up with ten different versions of what they think

52:06 Speaker 5: it says.

52:07 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, because it's based on whatever they want it

52:09 Speaker 1: to be exactly exactly.

52:11 Speaker 2: I'll justify my belief. I'll find a verse that justify

52:16 Speaker 2: this one fits me. And that's how it works. I

52:19 Speaker 2: can justify anything I want to believe.

52:21 Speaker 5: Look at Doug believes that slavery was good for people.

52:27 Speaker 5: Doug Wilson is the one that said slavery was good

52:30 Speaker 5: for people.

52:31 Speaker 1: That's a common narrative among his ilk.

52:33 Speaker 2: Yeah.

52:34 Speaker 5: Yeah, and they believe that shit and they justify it

52:37 Speaker 5: biblically because you're supposed to be good to your slaves.

52:39 Speaker 2: It's in the Bible. They were good Christians, they were

52:42 Speaker 2: good to their slaves. See, yeah, that's real.

52:46 Speaker 5: These people like I've been I'm telling you, these people

52:49 Speaker 5: will kill you for their belief. That's how strong the

52:53 Speaker 5: belief is. It is one hundred percent. And everything you

52:58 Speaker 5: do becomes.

52:59 Speaker 2: For Ot, for God. It's that marching order, and you

53:04 Speaker 2: justify and they justify it.

53:06 Speaker 5: They for I believe that the vast majority of the

53:09 Speaker 5: fuckers think they're doing the right thing under their faith.

53:15 Speaker 2: But Trump is doing money.

53:18 Speaker 5: He seth I think he might be fucked up and

53:21 Speaker 5: truly believe this ship because he's been a part of

53:23 Speaker 5: it long.

53:24 Speaker 2: Before might orbit He has been a part of this

53:27 Speaker 2: a long time.

53:29 Speaker 5: Yeah, he took the he took the portrait down of

53:33 Speaker 5: the first black woman to become an I think it

53:36 Speaker 5: was an admiral was there was a he took stuff

53:41 Speaker 5: down in the Pentagon that had to do with women.

53:43 Speaker 5: If it was a woman, somebody who was gay, or

53:46 Speaker 5: somebody was transgender, it got scrubbed because remember when he

53:50 Speaker 5: first started scrubbing ship, the dumbass scrubbed the Aola gay.

53:58 Speaker 2: They scrubbed.

54:00 Speaker 5: Yeah, too woke, But see woke is now also making

54:04 Speaker 5: a building accessible for a disabled person to get.

54:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, well, anything anything they don't even know what the

54:09 Speaker 1: word means, just anything they don't like is woke.

54:11 Speaker 2: Woke, and all democrats are demons.

54:14 Speaker 5: I miss it the days when people politically could disagree

54:18 Speaker 5: but debate one another work and you know, work for

54:21 Speaker 5: the greater good of our country because we want. I

54:24 Speaker 5: don't want Trump to fail. He fails, my country fails.

54:30 Speaker 2: Well, you want. I want my country to prosper.

54:33 Speaker 1: You want your country to succeed.

54:35 Speaker 2: Exactly.

54:36 Speaker 5: But what we're we're we're undoing decades of good works,

54:42 Speaker 5: you know, pulling special kids out of school and reinstitutionalizing them.

54:46 Speaker 5: Why are we doing this? You don't want because they

54:50 Speaker 5: don't want kids to know how to work with disabled people,

54:54 Speaker 5: or they just want to put it. I swear they

54:56 Speaker 5: want to take anybody who's disabled or special needs and

54:59 Speaker 5: just lock them away in a facility, because if you

55:02 Speaker 5: can't make the money and you can't serve them, you

55:05 Speaker 5: have no purpose on this earth for them. And these

55:09 Speaker 5: rich pricks live in a different world than us. You

55:12 Speaker 5: and I and probably ninety ers, probably all of our

55:15 Speaker 5: listeners don't live in the same world as these people.

55:19 Speaker 5: They don't shop in the grocery store like you do.

55:21 Speaker 5: They don't go to the same clothing stores that you do.

55:24 Speaker 5: They don't drive the way that they don't do anything

55:26 Speaker 5: the way you do. Things are laid out for them

55:30 Speaker 5: because they're that rich. They set it up ahead of time.

55:33 Speaker 5: And we have a greed issue in this country.

55:37 Speaker 2: That's what we have. When a healthcare CEO wakes twenty five.

55:40 Speaker 5: Million dollars in a year, or even a million dollars

55:42 Speaker 5: a year, but you're going to raise the premiums and

55:46 Speaker 5: you're taking away dental care from people on Medicare because

55:49 Speaker 5: they use too much of it the insurance they paid for,

55:53 Speaker 5: but because they use too much of it, because you

55:55 Speaker 5: don't have the money for their care.

55:57 Speaker 2: But you have money from.

55:59 Speaker 5: A time million dollar salaries and payouts and two private jets.

56:06 Speaker 2: You won't fly with the peasants. These are the people

56:09 Speaker 2: running the country.

56:10 Speaker 5: On that part with you, I do agree, But I

56:12 Speaker 5: do think that Paula White is a real believer.

56:15 Speaker 1: Trump no, oh no, Trump definitely not hexas.

56:19 Speaker 2: I think he's a believer. At paul A White, I

56:21 Speaker 2: think she's a believer.

56:23 Speaker 1: It's a business.

56:24 Speaker 2: I think it's I think she is no way