Cody Pope | Matt Connarton Unleashed

0:13 Speaker 1: I've been in up days. Mine's amazing ablaze. I've been

0:17 Speaker 1: catching figu since before the twelfth grade. I had this desire,

0:21 Speaker 1: but couldn't get out of my way. Now I'm double

0:23 Speaker 1: the age, still reminded the days. Can't believe what all

0:25 Speaker 1: I've done. I'm still looking back, been cleaning up, but

0:28 Speaker 1: still remember the cooking crack. The strength I had for

0:31 Speaker 1: the needle, never quite took it back. Some days I

0:33 Speaker 1: still find that I'm quite shook. In fact, the light

0:36 Speaker 1: keeps going out. Maybe that's a.

0:38 Speaker 2: Sign for me.

0:39 Speaker 1: I have accepted that one day will be time for me,

0:41 Speaker 1: someone's revenge. I suppose that it's fine with me. Nothing

0:45 Speaker 1: in life often happened when the time is sweet. All

0:47 Speaker 1: I can do work to build a good now, and

0:49 Speaker 1: then staking the under makeup for days is shrouded in

0:52 Speaker 1: Dean's I am the howling man standing upon the howland winds,

0:55 Speaker 1: night of the hunted, the preacher upon the proud again,

0:58 Speaker 1: not perfect, not even a right. Can't remember the last

1:02 Speaker 1: time I slept all night. I'm open, but I need

1:05 Speaker 1: another hour. I just fell asleep off any time for

1:08 Speaker 1: the shower, no sugar added, no sugar added.

1:11 Speaker 2: I just need water.

1:13 Speaker 1: Mentally I can padded no sugar added, no sugar added,

1:17 Speaker 1: somewhere between.

1:18 Speaker 2: Be get happy and Madden.

1:19 Speaker 1: Apocalypse, now anxiety and alarms again. Hope my horrible ways

1:24 Speaker 1: could never harm a friends. Some men crossed me again.

1:27 Speaker 1: I saw them again. Even a heathen nor demon can

1:30 Speaker 1: fall from a sin Who called it again? I'm not

1:32 Speaker 1: sorry to them. Drowning in my own flood, I hardly

1:35 Speaker 1: can swim. Then I stopped too late. How could I

1:38 Speaker 1: be so selfish? Do the superdis things? But know that

1:41 Speaker 1: I'm not helpless? Bad patting habits I need to learn

1:44 Speaker 1: to break. I'm mad scattered this matter. If I need

1:46 Speaker 1: to learn to shake, We'll to extinguish every light, the

1:48 Speaker 1: match to burn the lake. Every roll of the dice

1:51 Speaker 1: is the one determined fate, slipping into the void for

1:54 Speaker 1: just a few hours to do it my vest and

1:56 Speaker 1: not flip. I got no new flower. My dreamscape is

1:59 Speaker 1: a place that I do scalo.

2:01 Speaker 2: This search advance is like how I could bet a

2:03 Speaker 2: used powwoom. Not perfect, not even close to all right.

2:06 Speaker 1: I can't remember the last time I slept all night,

2:10 Speaker 1: but I need another album. I just fell asleep off

2:13 Speaker 1: Freddy Tom for the shower. Wook, no sugar added, no

2:16 Speaker 1: sugar added. I just need water. Mentally, I am padded,

2:20 Speaker 1: no sugar added, no sugar added.

2:22 Speaker 2: Somewhere between be Get Happy and Madden.

2:33 Speaker 3: I Love It.

2:34 Speaker 4: That is Cody Pope and Byron g No sugar added

2:37 Speaker 4: from the album Giant Steps in Gates City. And we

2:41 Speaker 4: have Cody Pope here with us in studio. We're gonna

2:43 Speaker 4: speak with him in just a moment. But welcome everybody,

2:46 Speaker 4: if you are listening live on Saturday, we have entered

2:49 Speaker 4: our number three New Marrow trace of Matt Connerton unleashed.

2:52 Speaker 3: We are live from the studios.

2:54 Speaker 4: Of w m n H ninety five point three FM

2:56 Speaker 4: and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. Jenny is here, of course

2:59 Speaker 4: at the News and it is a Saturday, August thirtieth,

3:05 Speaker 4: and I hear the doorbell. Oh my goodness, are we

3:07 Speaker 4: expecting company? Jenny is going to, uh, well, that's very strange.

3:12 Speaker 4: Let me get this mic on here. Oh, actually we

3:14 Speaker 4: switch to to the other mic.

3:16 Speaker 3: There we go. Cody popas here, Hi.

3:18 Speaker 5: Cody, good morning, everybody.

3:20 Speaker 4: Welcome back. Yes, I don't know why the doorbell is

3:23 Speaker 4: ringing up. It's occasionally I don't know. If you know this,

3:27 Speaker 4: we've probably told you this. You probably know this used

3:30 Speaker 4: to be a bus station. Yeah, and uh, occasionally people

3:34 Speaker 4: will come here trying to buy bus tickets because I

3:36 Speaker 4: think if you look it up on Google, it still

3:38 Speaker 4: shows this is a location where you can purchase bus

3:41 Speaker 4: tickets in Manchester.

3:42 Speaker 5: It's funny that all the big signage outside that says

3:45 Speaker 5: like radio and TV doesn't sway them away.

3:49 Speaker 4: And they're literally I told someone this once and I

3:52 Speaker 4: think they thought I was kidding. There's actually a sign.

3:54 Speaker 4: I don't know if you've seen the sign on the

3:55 Speaker 4: building that actually says we do not sell bus tickets here.

3:58 Speaker 6: No, that's so good.

4:00 Speaker 3: Yeah, it's on the building.

4:01 Speaker 4: I don't think people notice it, as evidenced by the

4:04 Speaker 4: fact that people still come here to buy bus tickets.

4:06 Speaker 4: But yeah, there's a sign of the building that says

4:08 Speaker 4: we do not sell bus tickets here.

4:09 Speaker 6: That's like wild.

4:10 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, pretty crazy.

4:11 Speaker 4: But no, I love that track now, that Giant Steps

4:15 Speaker 4: and Gate City that was out the last time you

4:17 Speaker 4: were here, right.

4:18 Speaker 5: So I think we were here before. I think we

4:20 Speaker 5: might have been here before it came out, right, but

4:23 Speaker 5: we were like in the run of getting ready for

4:25 Speaker 5: that to come out.

4:26 Speaker 3: That's right, that's right.

4:27 Speaker 4: Yes, Okay, I recall now and you're still now you're

4:32 Speaker 4: you're working with Byron g still right, but he's got

4:35 Speaker 4: something else he's doing as well. Yeah, so you guys

4:38 Speaker 4: are kind of working separately but still still together with

4:41 Speaker 4: Hellhound Publishing.

4:42 Speaker 3: Correct.

4:43 Speaker 5: Yeah, so Hellhound is still running full steam. Byron and

4:47 Speaker 5: I have a bunch of music in the vault, I

4:51 Speaker 5: want to say a little earlier this year. Anybody that's

4:55 Speaker 5: like been to any of our shows, obviously you know Byron,

4:58 Speaker 5: but you also know Patrick. Patrick are live sound engineer

5:01 Speaker 5: for a number of years.

5:03 Speaker 4: Uh.

5:03 Speaker 5: The two of them have actually started a new company

5:05 Speaker 5: called six Zho three Beat Collaborative, Okay, and they do

5:09 Speaker 5: live audio, they do engineering, podcasting stuff for big corporate events,

5:15 Speaker 5: all sorts of stuff like that. So they've just been

5:19 Speaker 5: killing it and doing a lot of of the like

5:22 Speaker 5: initial groundwork of getting that all up and running. And

5:25 Speaker 5: uh So while they were doing that, I just figured

5:28 Speaker 5: I should keep keep the bus moving, keep the hell

5:31 Speaker 5: Hound thing going.

5:32 Speaker 3: Yep.

5:32 Speaker 5: They you know, they have families and kids and things

5:35 Speaker 5: that occupy a lot of time. I have the I

5:38 Speaker 5: have the position in life to be a rapper with

5:41 Speaker 5: a cat and a fiance, So it affords me a

5:44 Speaker 5: little more flexibility. And so I'm just uh taking the

5:47 Speaker 5: torch and running with it and uh trying to keep

5:50 Speaker 5: things moving until uh, you know, until everything settles down.

5:53 Speaker 4: Yeah, you don't have any kids, No, isn't it nice?

5:56 Speaker 4: I'm also childless?

5:57 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's it is. It is a very fortunate position.

6:01 Speaker 3: Yeah, absolutely.

6:02 Speaker 4: I mean, don't get me wrong. People with children always

6:04 Speaker 4: look really happy and everything.

6:05 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's the thing is, like I'm kidding, but I

6:11 Speaker 5: imagine that, like parenting could be cool. Like I'm sure

6:15 Speaker 5: there's people who.

6:15 Speaker 3: Like, yeah, Jenny has a son.

6:18 Speaker 5: Yeah, so that's the thing, is, like parenting as cool

6:21 Speaker 5: as you want to be as a parent, yea. And

6:24 Speaker 5: for me, I'm just too selfish, yeah, and too caught

6:28 Speaker 5: up on this whole creative endeavor in life.

6:32 Speaker 4: That's always been my thing too, to have that degree

6:34 Speaker 4: of responsibility for another human being. I don't even know

6:36 Speaker 4: how anyone affords it.

6:38 Speaker 5: Yeah, exactly now, especially nowadays. Yeah, things have tripled, are

6:42 Speaker 5: almost quadrupled in price in my adult life.

6:45 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh absolutely absolutely, Jenny. My curiosity is killing me.

6:50 Speaker 4: Why was the doorbell ringing.

6:52 Speaker 7: Somebody looking for a bus for real?

6:55 Speaker 3: That is that is what it was.

6:56 Speaker 7: Yeah, yes, it was somebody looking for a bus to Boston.

6:59 Speaker 7: I did my best to try and explain how to

7:01 Speaker 7: go to New London, North London to get a bus

7:04 Speaker 7: to Boston. Yes, because I don't know any other way.

7:07 Speaker 6: Yeah, it's either that or Nashua.

7:09 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, take an uber to North Londonderry.

7:12 Speaker 2: I'm so sorry, sweetie, there's.

7:14 Speaker 3: No bus here. Yeah. Oh that's funny.

7:16 Speaker 4: Wow all right, yeah, I mean I said it half kidding,

7:20 Speaker 4: but apparently that is what it was.

7:22 Speaker 3: Well, very good. So why locked?

7:28 Speaker 6: Yeah I can understand that.

7:30 Speaker 3: Oh yeah, because I don't know.

7:32 Speaker 7: Probably says it online, still does it.

7:34 Speaker 3: Well, that's the thing I was.

7:35 Speaker 4: I was telling Cody that if you look online, it

7:37 Speaker 4: still says you can get bus tickets here.

7:41 Speaker 3: Yeah.

7:41 Speaker 4: When we first when we first moved into this building,

7:44 Speaker 4: because you were at the yeah, you were on the show.

7:45 Speaker 4: We were at the old the old place. I know

7:48 Speaker 4: that at first, if they left the door unlocked during

7:51 Speaker 4: the morning show on weekdays, people would just wander into

7:54 Speaker 4: the building, you know, thinking they were gonna buy bus tickets.

7:56 Speaker 3: So, yeah, stranger walking in now so Giant Steps and

8:04 Speaker 3: Gate City. So this is this is your newest release.

8:07 Speaker 5: Yeah and then that is the second full length but

8:12 Speaker 5: fifth project from Byron and I.

8:14 Speaker 4: Okay, okay, wow yeah, Now who who are you working

8:19 Speaker 4: with these days? Because I saw so you've got a

8:21 Speaker 4: band that you perform with sometimes.

8:22 Speaker 5: Now yeah, so back in. So it's it's interesting how

8:26 Speaker 5: it all kind of came to be. But big shout

8:29 Speaker 5: out to DJ Myth and the shasking Oh yeah, DJ Myth.

8:32 Speaker 5: DJ Myth and Sean Caliber, great artist from around the

8:36 Speaker 5: way to the two of them do an event called

8:39 Speaker 5: sound Off Saturdays at the shaskiing once in a while,

8:42 Speaker 5: I think it's like once a month and it's always

8:44 Speaker 5: a different theme. And so they had the theme of

8:48 Speaker 5: like rappers with a live band. Yeah, and they had,

8:52 Speaker 5: if I understood correctly, they had two acts, but then

8:55 Speaker 5: one of them had to drop or maybe they just

8:57 Speaker 5: had the one act and they needed to fill up

9:00 Speaker 5: the other slot. So in me and Myth's like usual conversation,

9:04 Speaker 5: I just was like, look, I can't promise that I

9:07 Speaker 5: can pull this off, but if you really don't have anybody,

9:10 Speaker 5: I was like, I certainly know people in bands, I

9:12 Speaker 5: can try and pull this together for a show, and

9:16 Speaker 5: I did the Facebook solicitation thing. I had a really

9:20 Speaker 5: great drummer who I think you actually have met before.

9:23 Speaker 5: A big shout out to Axel from Dead Harris.

9:25 Speaker 3: Oh of course.

9:26 Speaker 5: So Axel hit me up, and then a childhood friend

9:30 Speaker 5: of mine hit me up as well, who played guitar,

9:33 Speaker 5: and we all met at a jam space in Nashua

9:37 Speaker 5: and Axel and I hit it off really well. The

9:40 Speaker 5: guitar player ended up having some family stuff and things

9:43 Speaker 5: that he had to deal with, so it just like

9:45 Speaker 5: wasn't a good time, so he kind of stepped out

9:48 Speaker 5: of the picture quick and so it was like Axel

9:50 Speaker 5: and I and we were kind of like, look, we

9:53 Speaker 5: just need to do this show. So even if it's

9:56 Speaker 5: just the two of us, like we can you could

9:58 Speaker 5: just drum over the music, We'll do the show to

10:01 Speaker 5: help them out and.

10:02 Speaker 6: I appreciate it.

10:03 Speaker 8: Yeah, a week before the show, maybe like a week

10:07 Speaker 8: and a half, a guitar player hit us up, who

10:11 Speaker 8: I don't know.

10:11 Speaker 6: Are you familiar with the band Volley?

10:13 Speaker 3: Yes, we've had them mine.

10:14 Speaker 6: Yeah.

10:15 Speaker 5: I love these guys, so shout out to them. Dane

10:17 Speaker 5: from Vali reached out and he was like, look, I'm

10:20 Speaker 5: going on vacation with my family this week. He's like,

10:23 Speaker 5: if you don't have anybody on I think it was

10:25 Speaker 5: the show was on the tenth, and I think he

10:27 Speaker 5: was coming back from his vacation on the third, and

10:30 Speaker 5: he was like, look, if you don't have anybody by

10:32 Speaker 5: the third, send me the music and I will do

10:34 Speaker 5: my best to learn it. And I was like okay.

10:36 Speaker 5: So we got together that Tuesday, I think it was

10:39 Speaker 5: like the fourth. We had one practice for a couple

10:42 Speaker 5: hours and just like worked out a set, went and

10:46 Speaker 5: did the show that night and absolutely like crushed and

10:50 Speaker 5: we had so much fun. The audience. It was like

10:53 Speaker 5: playing to all new people. It was a way different

10:56 Speaker 5: audience than I usually played too. Yeah, they were super receptive.

11:01 Speaker 5: We we sounded great, we felt great. So like after

11:04 Speaker 5: the show, I was like, oh man, we did it, Like,

11:07 Speaker 5: thank you guys so much. And they were both like,

11:10 Speaker 5: well we should just keep doing this, ye like, and

11:13 Speaker 5: I was like, well what a dream, you know, Like

11:16 Speaker 5: I was just gonna be happy if we did it

11:17 Speaker 5: for one show, and the fact that they wanted to

11:20 Speaker 5: keep up with it, I was so ecstatic. So now

11:24 Speaker 5: we've set so we have two shows in September now

11:27 Speaker 5: and we're currently on the search for a bassist and

11:31 Speaker 5: a keyboard player. Nice kind of fill things out.

11:34 Speaker 3: Very cool.

11:35 Speaker 4: Yeah, now, what's it called Cody Pope and what.

11:37 Speaker 6: Cody Pope and the Keyholders and the Keyholders?

11:40 Speaker 3: I like that. Yeah, yeah, that's very cool.

11:42 Speaker 5: So people that are that are into the Cody and

11:44 Speaker 5: Byron stuff. We have a song from one of our

11:47 Speaker 5: projects called the Keyholders Theme Song, and that kind of

11:51 Speaker 5: ties into us being from Nashua because Nashua is the

11:54 Speaker 5: gate city and sense, you know, culturally, there's lots of

11:59 Speaker 5: talk now more than ever about gatekeeping and the idea

12:02 Speaker 5: of gatekeeping. And I'm not a huge fan of gatekeeping

12:07 Speaker 5: person Like I understand it to a degree, but I

12:10 Speaker 5: also am kind of of the challenger of the ilk

12:13 Speaker 5: of like, look, I could give you all the resources

12:16 Speaker 5: that I have, but you're not gonna do what I do. Like,

12:19 Speaker 5: you know, it's like you can give two people a

12:21 Speaker 5: paintbrush and they're gonna make a different thing, right exactly.

12:24 Speaker 5: And so Keyholder just be kind of came this thing

12:28 Speaker 5: of like I'm happy to share my tools with the

12:31 Speaker 5: right people, Like if you. If you're on this path

12:34 Speaker 5: for real and you really care about the craft and

12:36 Speaker 5: what you're doing, and I have some something that I

12:39 Speaker 5: can share with you, I'm happy to do that if

12:41 Speaker 5: it's for the right reason. Yeah, Like I'm not afraid

12:44 Speaker 5: of sharing game, but I do understand protecting the culture too.

12:48 Speaker 5: And so that's kind of where the idea of like

12:50 Speaker 5: the keyholders came from. Is just like we've kind of

12:53 Speaker 5: made our like where a part of hip hop as

12:55 Speaker 5: a greater thing, but Hellhound is very much like its

12:58 Speaker 5: own kind of like unity and subculture, and like we

13:02 Speaker 5: have a lot of people that come out specifically to

13:05 Speaker 5: our stuff and that specifically rock with us rather than

13:09 Speaker 5: like the greater culture the way we love it, right,

13:12 Speaker 5: And so we look at that as like something we've

13:14 Speaker 5: cultivated and something we have to protect too. We want

13:17 Speaker 5: to grow it and continue it to blossom, but we

13:21 Speaker 5: have to like protect the sanctity of these people that

13:24 Speaker 5: come and really appreciate this thing. You know, they come

13:26 Speaker 5: and they feel safe, they feel like they can express themselves,

13:30 Speaker 5: they can be vulnerable, they can cry and dance and

13:34 Speaker 5: laugh and have fun and whatever. And so it's like

13:38 Speaker 5: we want to make sure that that always stays a

13:40 Speaker 5: part of the ethos of what we do.

13:43 Speaker 6: Yeah.

13:43 Speaker 4: No, I think that makes sense and it's very positive.

13:45 Speaker 4: And how long is Hellhound existed?

13:48 Speaker 3: Now?

13:48 Speaker 5: So we started Hellhound in twenty I started Hellhound in

13:51 Speaker 5: twenty eighteen.

13:52 Speaker 3: Okay, okay, and then Byron became a part.

13:55 Speaker 5: Of it in twenty twenty two.

13:57 Speaker 4: Twenty twenty two, okay, Yeah, so it did already existed

13:59 Speaker 4: for for a while.

14:00 Speaker 3: Yeah.

14:01 Speaker 5: Yeah, So it was like a very interesting time period.

14:03 Speaker 5: So when we had met, I think we talked about

14:07 Speaker 5: this before, but you were doing local outbreak at the

14:11 Speaker 5: I forget the name of the place, but it was

14:13 Speaker 5: like a vintage store in Laconia, And that was the

14:16 Speaker 5: first time we had met. That was around the time

14:21 Speaker 5: that I had just kind of started linking up with

14:23 Speaker 5: Bizza too. I think Bizil was the one who introduced us.

14:27 Speaker 5: And I had started a record label called Vatican Life

14:30 Speaker 5: back then, and the last record that I put out

14:35 Speaker 5: on Vatican Life was my album called Not Having a

14:39 Speaker 5: Good Day, which a lot of people that's kind of

14:41 Speaker 5: like the thing they know me for. But coincidentally, as

14:45 Speaker 5: well known as the song has become now, when the

14:48 Speaker 5: album came out, it didn't do very well in terms

14:52 Speaker 5: of like just selling the album, and then I did

14:55 Speaker 5: like a short tour to promote the album, and most

15:00 Speaker 5: of the shows on the tour did not go very well,

15:03 Speaker 5: just like Low attended weak Night kind of like didn't

15:07 Speaker 5: seem like people cared kind of thing. So I just

15:11 Speaker 5: became very disillusioned, and I was like, man, all the

15:17 Speaker 5: artists that I put out records for have like, I

15:21 Speaker 5: don't want to say fallen off, but kind of chosen

15:23 Speaker 5: to not pursue music anymore. And life dealt them other cards,

15:28 Speaker 5: and I was in this weird place where it was like, man,

15:31 Speaker 5: I had built up such momentum, and somehow I'm looking

15:34 Speaker 5: at my last album thinking like, oh I got covered

15:37 Speaker 5: in the Hippo, I had more people at the release show,

15:40 Speaker 5: I sold more CDs, Like what did I do wrong?

15:42 Speaker 5: I'm so proud of this album. I thought it was

15:45 Speaker 5: such a tremendous body of work. But I think I

15:48 Speaker 5: had just burnt myself out and I think that I

15:51 Speaker 5: was Yeah, you know, I just I was applying too

15:54 Speaker 5: much in the wrong places. Yeah, I needed to step

15:58 Speaker 5: back and learn how to like do more for myself

16:01 Speaker 5: in like the creative sense, the marketing sense, like how

16:04 Speaker 5: to just be more self dependent. And one of the

16:08 Speaker 5: things that I had started kind of coming to grips

16:10 Speaker 5: with at that time was, I don't know if I'm

16:15 Speaker 5: going to be able.

16:15 Speaker 6: To do music forever. I want to.

16:17 Speaker 5: I hope that I always have the privilege of doing so,

16:21 Speaker 5: but you just never know. The culture could dictate that

16:25 Speaker 5: your time has come, your audience could be exhausted with

16:28 Speaker 5: what you've done, You could have some sort of something

16:32 Speaker 5: could happen that could prevent you from executing your craft

16:35 Speaker 5: at the full level. And so I realized it was like,

16:39 Speaker 5: I need to be able to do other creative endeavors

16:44 Speaker 5: and still have a platform for the music as well.

16:47 Speaker 5: And one of my big influences in life has always

16:50 Speaker 5: been Henry Rawlins. I grew up a punk rock kid.

16:53 Speaker 5: I loved Black Flag, but I found that when I

16:57 Speaker 5: was like about twelve or thirteen years old, So it

16:59 Speaker 5: was like a very pivotal time in my life, and

17:04 Speaker 5: I had like, I don't want to like drag on

17:06 Speaker 5: the story, but basically I had been like a punk

17:09 Speaker 5: rock fan already. I used to go hang out at

17:12 Speaker 5: Barnes and Noble all the time because back then Barnes

17:14 Speaker 5: and Noble was open till eleven o'clock at night. They

17:17 Speaker 5: had the Starbucks, so it was like a place you

17:18 Speaker 5: could just take the.

17:19 Speaker 6: Bus and go hang out.

17:20 Speaker 5: Yeah, And I was there one night and I liked,

17:23 Speaker 5: I've always read like I'm a big fan, like the

17:26 Speaker 5: hell Hound logo is a book in flame, Yeah, like

17:29 Speaker 5: it's very much a part of my ethos as a person.

17:33 Speaker 5: But I was just looking through books and I found

17:36 Speaker 5: a book and it's and it had Henry Roland's name

17:39 Speaker 5: on it as like the author, and so like thirteen

17:43 Speaker 5: year old me is like, I picked it up and

17:46 Speaker 5: I opened the first page. It was the book it's

17:48 Speaker 5: called Sillipsist. I don't know if if you've ever seen it,

17:51 Speaker 5: but it's like it is as raw as it comes.

17:54 Speaker 5: The very first page is just like raw, unfiltered, honest

17:59 Speaker 5: discuss with the things that he's seeing at the time.

18:03 Speaker 5: And I didn't think books could be like that, Like,

18:05 Speaker 5: I didn't think books can say that kind of stuff.

18:08 Speaker 5: And then it was like, oh, the guy from Black

18:10 Speaker 5: Flag writes books and like puts out And then I

18:14 Speaker 5: saw the record label that he had and they put

18:17 Speaker 5: out books and they did concerts and they put out

18:19 Speaker 5: spoken word albums, and so it just made me realize

18:23 Speaker 5: that like maybe I had boxed myself in too much,

18:26 Speaker 5: like ye I write. You know, it's not that I

18:29 Speaker 5: write raps. You know, I started off as a punk

18:32 Speaker 5: rock kid. I played in hardcore and metal bands. Like,

18:35 Speaker 5: I've played numerous instruments, I've written poetry, I've done all

18:41 Speaker 5: these other things, including rap. Rap is a skill set

18:45 Speaker 5: that has taken me the furthest of all of my

18:47 Speaker 5: skill sets. But doing hell Houn publishing was like, look,

18:51 Speaker 5: we're not calling this just records or music group or whatever.

18:54 Speaker 5: This is now the entity that we can do everything through.

18:58 Speaker 5: It's the cultural ethos that brings all of this art together,

19:01 Speaker 5: you know. It's being raw, being vulnerable, being honest, not

19:06 Speaker 5: feeling like you have to play Kate two societal standards

19:11 Speaker 5: or even industry standards, just being comfortable carving your own

19:17 Speaker 5: lane at whatever that costs. And so I kind of

19:21 Speaker 5: so the dissolution of Vatican Life was also the start

19:25 Speaker 5: of my hiatus as a rapper, and I ended up

19:28 Speaker 5: taking the next like almost three years off wow, and

19:32 Speaker 5: didn't really I think. I think I put out like

19:34 Speaker 5: an EP and I played like one show or something,

19:36 Speaker 5: but I didn't really do anything. I had put all

19:39 Speaker 5: of my energy into this hell Houm publishing project, and

19:43 Speaker 5: the first things that I was working on were podcasts.

19:46 Speaker 5: I had written like a radio play, so I wrote

19:48 Speaker 5: like a whole script. It was like eight thirty minute

19:50 Speaker 5: episodes really, and this very like film noir based like

19:54 Speaker 5: old school radio play style thing. I had cast a

19:57 Speaker 5: bunch of voice actors wow, brought them to my studio

20:01 Speaker 5: and was like producing this thing. And a few months

20:04 Speaker 5: in I just realized I was like way in over

20:07 Speaker 5: my head in terms of doing a production of that magnitude.

20:10 Speaker 5: But I knew that I was like on the right path.

20:13 Speaker 5: I knew that I was, like this is why I

20:14 Speaker 5: made hell Hound, chose to do.

20:17 Speaker 6: Things like this.

20:18 Speaker 3: What was the radio play about?

20:20 Speaker 5: So it's called Gates and I based it in like

20:24 Speaker 5: early like nineteen fifties Nashua, And it's really like a

20:28 Speaker 5: mix of like a sci fi murder mystery kind of

20:30 Speaker 5: thing where I took a lot of those like like

20:34 Speaker 5: the Raymond Chandler stories, like those kind of like detective

20:38 Speaker 5: mystery things, and I tried to imbue that with my

20:43 Speaker 5: love of sci fi, like how would people react to

20:46 Speaker 5: science fiction scenarios in that time in the fifties without

20:50 Speaker 5: the lack of technology that we have today. So it

20:53 Speaker 5: was really fun and I still have a lot of

20:55 Speaker 5: the stuff like in the vault, and I'm just trying

20:58 Speaker 5: to figure out Now it's like, all right, I finish it.

21:01 Speaker 5: Because I was I was like, I think, coming from

21:05 Speaker 5: like CD culture and concert ticket culture, it's like I

21:08 Speaker 5: have this very way of thinking that was like I

21:11 Speaker 5: need to get all eleven voice actors to the studio

21:14 Speaker 5: to like play off of each other, and how do

21:17 Speaker 5: I record that all at the same And it's like

21:19 Speaker 5: people just don't have the time for that, you know.

21:23 Speaker 5: And it was just like technological stuff that it was

21:26 Speaker 5: like I need to figure out how I could produce

21:28 Speaker 5: this better.

21:29 Speaker 2: And now I have.

21:30 Speaker 5: But then in that time the music stuff kind of

21:33 Speaker 5: picked back up so much that it was like, Okay,

21:37 Speaker 5: I understand now I have a better understanding of how

21:40 Speaker 5: to charge forward. And it's that doing the music is

21:45 Speaker 5: the thing that shines a lot of light into what

21:48 Speaker 5: I'm doing and provides me the leverage to take risks

21:53 Speaker 5: on new creative ventures like a radio play or doing

21:56 Speaker 5: a podcast or writing a book or whatever, or it

22:00 Speaker 5: may be. Yeah, and so I think as long as

22:03 Speaker 5: I stay steady doing music and not compromising, that people

22:08 Speaker 5: will also take risks on me doing new things. And

22:11 Speaker 5: the band was kind of an example of that too. Yeah,

22:14 Speaker 5: we're constantly trying to bring new elements into what people

22:19 Speaker 5: see as like a hip hop show. And like the

22:21 Speaker 5: flyer I gave you, you'll see, we're doing an unplugged

22:23 Speaker 5: show at the end of September, so we're basically all

22:27 Speaker 5: acoustic and percussion stuff, and we're going to be doing

22:30 Speaker 5: all new renditions of some of my songs oh wow,

22:33 Speaker 5: and stuff that was like I was like very inspired

22:36 Speaker 5: by like Incubus, Alice in Chains, yeah, stuff like that.

22:39 Speaker 5: That it was like, how do I bring that kind

22:41 Speaker 5: of like goose bump inducing energy and still use my

22:47 Speaker 5: like the spinal chord of the music that I'm making

22:50 Speaker 5: right right now?

22:51 Speaker 4: I think that's really cool, and you know, to have

22:53 Speaker 4: the music as the nucleus, but but to not limit yourself,

22:58 Speaker 4: you know. Yeah, now, I think that's I think that's

23:01 Speaker 4: excellent if you are just joining us. Cody Pope is

23:03 Speaker 4: here with us on this this Saturday morning, and so

23:08 Speaker 4: when is the next, when is the next show that

23:10 Speaker 4: you're doing with the band with the Keyholders?

23:11 Speaker 5: So the next Keyholders show September fourteenth, we're going to

23:15 Speaker 5: be at the Shaskiing Okay, We're going to be doing

23:17 Speaker 5: like a regular like electric, pretty high energetic set for

23:21 Speaker 5: rap night.

23:22 Speaker 3: Yeah.

23:22 Speaker 5: And then September twenty seventh, we're doing our Unplugged Acoustics

23:26 Speaker 5: show at the Spot in Nashua, Newhamshire.

23:29 Speaker 4: Okay, Oh that's very cool. Yeah, all right, excellent, excellent.

23:33 Speaker 4: Do you want to So we had talked off air

23:35 Speaker 4: about you were going to wrap something a cappella for us.

23:37 Speaker 6: Yeah.

23:38 Speaker 5: Yeah, I had a couple of songs that I so

23:40 Speaker 5: like we were saying before. With everything that's been going,

23:44 Speaker 5: you know, I've been so fortunate to have the band,

23:46 Speaker 5: i had, buyer In, I had bus, I've always had

23:49 Speaker 5: people to bounce off of creatively when I'm on stage.

23:53 Speaker 5: But the only way that I got any of those

23:55 Speaker 5: people to mess with me in the first place was

23:58 Speaker 5: by just being up there by myself. And so I'd

24:01 Speaker 5: been so far removed from that that for this show

24:04 Speaker 5: that I did about a week ago, I was kind

24:07 Speaker 5: of like tied into just celebrating my birthday, Like, what

24:09 Speaker 5: else would I want to do besides the thing I love?

24:12 Speaker 5: And so I put together this hour long set and

24:16 Speaker 5: I picked songs that I some I had never performed before,

24:20 Speaker 5: some I hadn't performed in like ten years, Some were

24:23 Speaker 5: like unreleased songs, and then of course some of the

24:27 Speaker 5: stuff that people have come to know and enjoy. And

24:30 Speaker 5: it was just like I kind of just built this

24:32 Speaker 5: night around celebrating my catalog and the work that I've done,

24:35 Speaker 5: and it was like very cathartic. A lot of like

24:38 Speaker 5: old friends came out, a lot of new people that

24:40 Speaker 5: had no idea who I was just happened to like

24:43 Speaker 5: buy tickets because they liked the venue. And it went

24:47 Speaker 5: really well. So I thought that it would be cool

24:49 Speaker 5: to kind of pick a couple songs from throughout the

24:53 Speaker 5: catalog that I could do acapella because nobody's ever heard

24:56 Speaker 5: them like that.

24:57 Speaker 3: Yeah, very curious.

24:59 Speaker 5: Yeah. So the first one that I was thinking of

25:01 Speaker 5: doing is from the Cody and Byron collection. This is

25:05 Speaker 5: a song. We've been opening the show with it a

25:07 Speaker 5: lot because I feel like, subject wise, it's kind of

25:10 Speaker 5: how some people think about or start the day or whatnot.

25:13 Speaker 5: And so this song is called gratitude. This is one

25:17 Speaker 5: of the closing songs from the Giant Steps and Gates

25:20 Speaker 5: City album.

25:21 Speaker 3: Okay, Yeah, Whenever You're ready, Cody Pope live in studio.

25:24 Speaker 8: Some days I wake up and I wish I had it.

25:31 Speaker 8: I hate that I'm sad, but my loved ones feel

25:34 Speaker 8: so glad. Then easily tripping, don't know why I'm so mad? Man,

25:43 Speaker 8: Got a lot to be grateful for even when I'm

25:47 Speaker 8: damn bad man. Some days I wake up and I

25:52 Speaker 8: wish I had it. I hate that I'm sad, but

25:58 Speaker 8: my loved ones feel so I'm glad, Then easily tripping,

26:04 Speaker 8: don't know why I'm so mad man, Got a lot

26:10 Speaker 8: to be grateful for even when I'm damn bad man.

26:16 Speaker 8: Wake up in my brain already feeling dark, Hit the couch, already,

26:21 Speaker 8: chase a spark, contemplating in my sick of unhealthy? Is

26:25 Speaker 8: this depression of karma for unwealthy? Enough clarity to know

26:30 Speaker 8: that I'm the end of me, the one destroying me,

26:33 Speaker 8: the one should be defending me. Gotta take time enough

26:36 Speaker 8: to know you can't make time, So make mind filled

26:39 Speaker 8: with the things that shape lives. What you heard on

26:42 Speaker 8: the grapevine might not taste right, so you don't gotta

26:45 Speaker 8: make wine. You'll still make flights. Plant that seed that

26:48 Speaker 8: gone way to your family. We the real money tree.

26:51 Speaker 8: Life's obstacle, standard fees. Still days, I'm fighting to get

26:55 Speaker 8: through it, but I survived when I've remained my truest.

26:59 Speaker 8: When the fight come at your door, you can't be truant.

27:02 Speaker 8: You missed that chance. Might as well except your ruins.

27:05 Speaker 2: Some days I wake up and I wish I had it.

27:12 Speaker 8: I hate that I'm sad, but my loved ones feel

27:15 Speaker 8: so glad then easily tripping.

27:20 Speaker 2: Don't know why I'm so mad.

27:22 Speaker 8: Man, got a lot to be grateful for, even when I'm.

27:28 Speaker 3: Down bad man.

27:31 Speaker 5: Some days I wake up, hmm, thank you?

27:38 Speaker 3: Very cool? Very cool?

27:40 Speaker 4: Is that is that difficult to do? Like to do

27:42 Speaker 4: that acapella without? I mean, or do you just kind

27:44 Speaker 4: of play the beat in your head or how do

27:46 Speaker 4: you do that?

27:47 Speaker 5: I think I do kind of play the beat in

27:49 Speaker 5: my head, and I just like try to black out

27:51 Speaker 5: a little bit because it is definitely like nerve racking,

27:54 Speaker 5: you know. It's like I can like even feel myself

27:57 Speaker 5: now a little bit, being like, oh boy, I don't know,

27:59 Speaker 5: I never I've done that before, but I think it's

28:03 Speaker 5: just one of those things that I need to be

28:05 Speaker 5: able to do because I thrive in the live atmosphere, right,

28:10 Speaker 5: That's very much my comfort zone. I love performing. But

28:15 Speaker 5: what happens is everybody experiences the live show differently. Some

28:19 Speaker 5: people are feeling the music, some people are seeing your

28:23 Speaker 5: action and reaction to stuff. Some people are processing what

28:27 Speaker 5: you're saying. Some people might miss entire lines and segments

28:32 Speaker 5: of what I'm saying because it's just a different kind

28:35 Speaker 5: of atmosphere. And so being that what I do is

28:39 Speaker 5: so rooted lyrically, it's cool to have opportunities like this

28:45 Speaker 5: where it's like, hopefully people can kind of be like, oh,

28:47 Speaker 5: you know, I've heard that song fifteen times and hearing

28:52 Speaker 5: it that way really hit home what he's talking about

28:55 Speaker 5: or what he's trying to say, And you know, that's

28:59 Speaker 5: the best I could ask.

29:00 Speaker 4: Yeah, No, that's really cool. So have you have you

29:02 Speaker 4: done that live? Just acapella like that and in front

29:05 Speaker 4: of an audience? Oh no, this is the first time.

29:06 Speaker 5: Yeah, oh wow, well yeah, we just we we always

29:09 Speaker 5: play it at the shows. The album came out because

29:12 Speaker 5: it's just such a cool thing. Yeah, and I usually

29:15 Speaker 5: open with it because doing some of those vocal inflections,

29:18 Speaker 5: it's like, if I try to do that at the

29:20 Speaker 5: end of the set when I've wore you know, the

29:22 Speaker 5: show gets a little rowdy at times.

29:24 Speaker 3: Yeah.

29:24 Speaker 5: Yeah, it's like you got to get some of the

29:27 Speaker 5: more challenging vocal vocally nuanced stuff out of the way.

29:31 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense. We had talked about

29:35 Speaker 4: playing let's see studio track clipped wings.

29:39 Speaker 5: Oh yeah, this is a this is a cool one.

29:41 Speaker 5: I'm glad that we're playing this because when we put

29:45 Speaker 5: the album out, we that album release show is the

29:49 Speaker 5: only time we played the album top to bottom. Oh okay,

29:52 Speaker 5: And so after that show, that song has just yet

29:56 Speaker 5: to have fit into a set list really. Yeah, And

29:59 Speaker 5: it's not it's a great song, but it's a little longer,

30:02 Speaker 5: and it's a it's a little more of like a

30:04 Speaker 5: serious subject matter kind of thing. So it's like you

30:08 Speaker 5: can't just like play that at every you know, it's

30:10 Speaker 5: it's not as fun as doing not having a good

30:12 Speaker 5: day and everyone's jumping around and singing along. So it's

30:16 Speaker 5: cool when we were you know, but when we were

30:18 Speaker 5: off air, I was like trying to go through the

30:20 Speaker 5: the new album to pick some songs that I figured

30:24 Speaker 5: hadn't been as widely picked.

30:27 Speaker 6: Up on or talked about or whatever.

30:29 Speaker 5: Sure, and this is definitely one that, like I don't

30:32 Speaker 5: want to say, has gone unrecognized, But it doesn't get

30:35 Speaker 5: the kind of conversation that like, you know, no Sugar

30:39 Speaker 5: Added or some of the other songs on the album.

30:41 Speaker 5: People of our gratitude. People really gravitate to these songs,

30:45 Speaker 5: and that's also because we've exerted a lot of energy

30:48 Speaker 5: pushing them. So Clipped Wings is really cool. It's kind

30:53 Speaker 5: of the the idea behind it is essentially not allowing

30:57 Speaker 5: yourself to be stifled where it's for situations to dictate

31:04 Speaker 5: or for circumstances to dictate how much room you have

31:08 Speaker 5: to do X, Y and Z. And ultimately it's like

31:11 Speaker 5: you can accept those terms or you can create a

31:14 Speaker 5: new way and not allow yourself to feel so beaten down.

31:19 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I like it. All right, Let's give this

31:21 Speaker 3: a spend.

31:21 Speaker 4: This is Cody Pope and Byron g It's from the

31:23 Speaker 4: album Giant Steps in Gate City and Cody Pope is

31:26 Speaker 4: here with us live in studio. This is called Clipped wings.

31:43 Speaker 1: So called kings want me to clip mouth wings. Don't

31:46 Speaker 1: like a how I sing and still do my thing?

31:48 Speaker 1: If you the type did not leave the house. We

31:51 Speaker 1: just don't believe your mouth. You can discuss anything with

31:53 Speaker 1: no ouns what you're talking about and in the down

31:56 Speaker 1: and dirty, with the dirt in my nails, ice back

31:58 Speaker 1: recovery from the of my fails. Nice that people loving me.

32:02 Speaker 1: Sure I feel swell. They're lifting dead weight that want

32:05 Speaker 1: to burn me in hell, had a list of change

32:08 Speaker 1: of mad insame brain, the talking to me more than

32:11 Speaker 1: the store with the range different missions. When you're missing

32:15 Speaker 1: what you never had been doing this most by life.

32:18 Speaker 1: It was never a fat been here for kids, never stifferent,

32:21 Speaker 1: not to fear. No man can program me different that

32:24 Speaker 1: clear searching for clever and sometimes I've made it differently

32:28 Speaker 1: to keep on this hunt.

32:29 Speaker 2: It's not something you'll have to dabby.

32:32 Speaker 1: Making mountains out of mow hills. But I'm still climbing.

32:34 Speaker 1: They c lit my wings, but you'll see I'm still rising.

32:37 Speaker 1: Probably needs every people. At least I'm still rhyming. I

32:40 Speaker 1: hope you find the thing that helped you make the

32:42 Speaker 1: most of timing. Making mountains out of mohills, but I'm

32:46 Speaker 1: still climbing. They c lit my wings, but you'll see

32:48 Speaker 1: I'm still rising. Probably needs every people. At least I'm

32:52 Speaker 1: still rhyming. I hope you find the thing that helped

32:54 Speaker 1: you make the most of timing. I'm on a mission

32:57 Speaker 1: to make sure that my circle eat no more betray

33:00 Speaker 1: from these sucker arkle peeks.

33:02 Speaker 2: We on the meeting tip to ards the.

33:03 Speaker 1: First of the week, working right after work again, no

33:06 Speaker 1: hurt in my feet, certainly deep on the path that

33:10 Speaker 1: we've been coughing out. Always say she ain't in hunger,

33:13 Speaker 1: but still sotften now so looking me like a martian,

33:16 Speaker 1: I'm not offfing now. When you evolve, you gotta leave

33:19 Speaker 1: behind the laugh and now, even if you not be ritual,

33:22 Speaker 1: think of karma. How again, disrupt and derailed, don't work

33:25 Speaker 1: you while the bout climbing.

33:27 Speaker 2: Ladder is easily lead, Just look and fall you get

33:30 Speaker 2: your shot. How we used to leak?

33:31 Speaker 1: Can you grip the ball? Hit the wall lights flash

33:34 Speaker 1: time to say nothing? If you win a jam, don't

33:37 Speaker 1: give them the turkey stuff and the recipe stay locked

33:40 Speaker 1: up like eleven spices, even if it puts you down

33:43 Speaker 1: for eleven lights, making mountains out of bowhells, but I'm

33:47 Speaker 1: still climbing. They lit my wings, but you'll see I'm

33:49 Speaker 1: still rising.

33:50 Speaker 6: Probably needs ever be the least.

33:52 Speaker 2: I'm still rising.

33:53 Speaker 1: Hope you find the thing that helped you make the

33:55 Speaker 1: most of the time and making mountains out of.

33:58 Speaker 2: Mowhells, but I'm still climbing. Think that my wings. But

34:01 Speaker 2: you'll see I'm still rising.

34:03 Speaker 1: Probably needs to ever be the least. I'm still romming.

34:05 Speaker 1: Hope you find the thing that helped you make them

34:07 Speaker 1: most of the time, and.

34:12 Speaker 4: That has clipped wings. That is from the album Giant

34:14 Speaker 4: Steps and Gate City. That's Cody Pope and Byron g

34:17 Speaker 4: And we have Cody Pope here with us, alive in studio,

34:20 Speaker 4: and Uh, Mike McDowell, also known as the Healer is

34:24 Speaker 4: uh is in the chat room.

34:26 Speaker 6: Hello much love brother.

34:27 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's been on the show. I really enjoyed talking

34:29 Speaker 4: with him doing He's doing a lot of great, great stuff.

34:32 Speaker 5: The first time we connected was the last time that

34:35 Speaker 5: we were here.

34:36 Speaker 6: Mike was on the.

34:37 Speaker 8: Show before us, right, So he was headed out of

34:41 Speaker 8: the building as we were headed in. Oh yeah, and

34:44 Speaker 8: he stopped us and was like, hey, what's up, Like

34:46 Speaker 8: you guys are going on like da da da da da.

34:49 Speaker 8: And that's when we started keeping in touch.

34:51 Speaker 3: Oh wow.

34:52 Speaker 6: He let me know about the.

34:53 Speaker 5: Spot and and he's been a huge advocate for me

34:57 Speaker 5: on this, you know, as I talk about this next

35:00 Speaker 5: chapter of what I'm doing. Yeah, he's been a huge

35:02 Speaker 5: advocate for me already, letting me do the solo show

35:06 Speaker 5: and like we that was really kind of the foundation

35:09 Speaker 5: of like how I want to put shows on again.

35:11 Speaker 6: So we have we have obviously we're gonna be back

35:13 Speaker 6: there with the band.

35:14 Speaker 8: Yeah, we got some really special stuff in the works.

35:17 Speaker 8: I'm very really grateful that we got connected.

35:20 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, oh that's really great. Well, you know, I'm

35:22 Speaker 4: glad that we were a part of a facilitating that.

35:24 Speaker 3: That's really cool. Yeah.

35:25 Speaker 4: Yeah, we I think when we had when we had

35:29 Speaker 4: him on, he was in the process of building up,

35:32 Speaker 4: you know, getting he wasn't open yet obviously the spot.

35:35 Speaker 4: But but yeah, we should get him back on to

35:38 Speaker 4: you know, talk about him, see how things are going. Yeah,

35:39 Speaker 4: he said in the chat, let's see he said, my

35:42 Speaker 4: man Cody Pope, morning boys, and Jenny uh and he said,

35:47 Speaker 4: love you.

35:47 Speaker 3: Homeboy, so very nice, very nice.

35:51 Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's you know, it's so important too, you

35:53 Speaker 4: know in the music business, networking and uh, you know,

35:56 Speaker 4: meeting people, getting out and meeting people and all that.

35:58 Speaker 3: So so that's that's great.

36:02 Speaker 4: Are you So what what is kind of your I mean,

36:05 Speaker 4: what are you most excited about? Because you're always doing

36:08 Speaker 4: You're always doing a number of different things, like obviously,

36:11 Speaker 4: you know, playing with you know, Cody Pope and the

36:13 Speaker 4: key Holders. That's pretty exciting. Does that like the the

36:15 Speaker 4: biggest thing or or.

36:17 Speaker 5: So that is definitely one of the things I'm super

36:20 Speaker 5: excited about. But I also keep realistic expectations because both

36:27 Speaker 5: of my bandmates are in multiple other projects. Right, it's

36:31 Speaker 5: not the kind of thing. And but that's why I'm

36:34 Speaker 5: also back doing the solo shows too, because it's like

36:38 Speaker 5: I feel like now I've put myself in a position

36:41 Speaker 5: where there's not really a room that I can't attack.

36:44 Speaker 5: If you have enough notice, I could ask Byron and

36:47 Speaker 5: me and Byron have a show that's unlike most artist

36:51 Speaker 5: producer duos, and we have a chemistry that I'm so

36:54 Speaker 5: proud of when we're on stage and on record. Obviously,

36:57 Speaker 5: as I've been talking about, I can do my solo

36:59 Speaker 5: show and I'm doing that again anytime anybody needs any

37:03 Speaker 5: size room, any place, you know, whatever. And having the

37:07 Speaker 5: band now it's like those opportunities that may require something

37:11 Speaker 5: a little different than a traditional hip hop thing. Now

37:15 Speaker 5: with the band, it brings a different live element. We

37:18 Speaker 5: can do different variations of my songs. We actually we

37:22 Speaker 5: did a cover at our first show, which, like I

37:25 Speaker 5: anybody that knows me, I kinda like, I don't want

37:28 Speaker 5: to say I hate covers, but I'm very judgmental of

37:32 Speaker 5: covers in bands that do a lot of covers and

37:36 Speaker 5: cover bands and things of that nature. But it was

37:40 Speaker 5: like one of those things where I was like, man,

37:42 Speaker 5: I haven't had a band in so many years, and

37:45 Speaker 5: we're trying to pull this show together on a week's notice,

37:49 Speaker 5: and we did a cover and it went over incredibly.

37:52 Speaker 5: People went off, and so we were like, well, was

37:55 Speaker 5: so we covered break Stuff by Olympus.

37:58 Speaker 4: Nice I was in a band a long time ago

38:00 Speaker 4: that actually covered that song.

38:01 Speaker 6: People just went bananas.

38:03 Speaker 5: Yeah, Because I knew it was going to be a

38:05 Speaker 5: different audience for that show, and so it was like

38:08 Speaker 5: in my head, it was like, oh, let's do some

38:10 Speaker 5: obscure punk rock cover, like it's something that's going to

38:13 Speaker 5: like make people smash the walls open. And then it

38:17 Speaker 5: was like, let's do something that people know, Let's do

38:20 Speaker 5: something they could easily get. And and so I've kind

38:22 Speaker 5: of found a little gravity in that where it's like, Okay,

38:25 Speaker 5: I like picking like one song that we can learn

38:28 Speaker 5: for each show. And so I think that's kind of

38:31 Speaker 5: become our thing, where like every time we do a show,

38:33 Speaker 5: we're going to have like a new cover that we

38:35 Speaker 5: do just for that show.

38:36 Speaker 4: Oh okay, Oh that's cool. That's a cool concept.

38:40 Speaker 3: Yeah.

38:40 Speaker 4: I was in a band that we covered when I

38:42 Speaker 4: was in my life crisis. We covered break stuff, and

38:45 Speaker 4: it's funny because I related. The reason I laughed when

38:48 Speaker 4: you were talking about covers initially is because I remember

38:50 Speaker 4: being in that band and I was always kind of like, guys,

38:52 Speaker 4: our originals are really strong, we don't need to be

38:54 Speaker 4: doing covers. And I resisted, but you know, I was

38:58 Speaker 4: outvoted on that, but I ended up being glad we

38:59 Speaker 4: did it because that is a fun song. I know

39:02 Speaker 4: from personal experience, that's a fun song to play live.

39:04 Speaker 4: And yeah, people people get into it, people react to it.

39:07 Speaker 5: And I think I got burnt out on like covers

39:09 Speaker 5: and stuff like that. Because I worked in the motorcycle

39:12 Speaker 5: industry for a number of years. I was doing marketing

39:15 Speaker 5: and events for different Harley Davidson dealership Okay, and so

39:18 Speaker 5: as you can imagine, like that audience is a lot

39:21 Speaker 5: different than what I normally work with. It's very much

39:24 Speaker 5: a play the hits, let's here, skinnered, let's you know,

39:28 Speaker 5: and so it's like doing that for years. It's like, man,

39:31 Speaker 5: every week, it's like we're just listening to God Smack again.

39:34 Speaker 5: We're just listening to whatever, Like butt rock band.

39:39 Speaker 2: Is like cool.

39:40 Speaker 5: At the it's like it just got so draining. It

39:43 Speaker 5: was like, I just want to hear songs I've never

39:45 Speaker 5: heard before at this point. Yeah, even if they're not good,

39:48 Speaker 5: I just want to hear songs I haven't heard yet,

39:50 Speaker 5: right right, And so uh that kind of But I

39:54 Speaker 5: think now I'm in a good place where it's like

39:56 Speaker 5: it's in doing.

39:59 Speaker 6: I don't want to call it singing. I feel like

40:00 Speaker 6: that's not.

40:03 Speaker 5: There are people who are very incredible vocal singers who

40:06 Speaker 5: are trained. I don't know what you would call what

40:09 Speaker 5: I do, but the midst of vocalizing that I've been

40:13 Speaker 5: trying to add into my like rap style is doing

40:18 Speaker 5: cover songs is like a really good challenge break stuff.

40:21 Speaker 5: Obviously not exemplary of that, but some of the stuff

40:24 Speaker 5: that we're doing now is like songs where it's like,

40:27 Speaker 5: all right, I'm going to try and like maybe work

40:29 Speaker 5: with a vocal coach to figure out how to do

40:32 Speaker 5: this song the best way, and then all the stuff

40:34 Speaker 5: that I learned in that time I can now apply

40:37 Speaker 5: to the stuff that I write going forward.

40:39 Speaker 6: Yeah, so I'm excited about it in that sense.

40:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, Oh that's really cool. The time goes quick. You

40:46 Speaker 4: want to do another, you want to do another a cappella,

40:48 Speaker 4: but I want to make sure we got another one

40:50 Speaker 4: in because I was really cool awesome.

40:52 Speaker 5: Yeah, definitely. I'm trying to think if we have if

40:54 Speaker 5: we have time for one more, should I?

40:58 Speaker 6: Okay?

40:59 Speaker 5: So I So I was working on this in the car.

41:02 Speaker 5: I was hoping I was going to get through it.

41:04 Speaker 5: It's a tough one, but I just did it at

41:07 Speaker 5: the show that this past show, and so I've only

41:11 Speaker 5: performed this song two times live now because it's from

41:16 Speaker 5: my last solo album that I did, called The Howling Man,

41:19 Speaker 5: which came out in twenty twenty one, Okay, And the

41:23 Speaker 5: song is called Moonlight, and it's really just about like

41:27 Speaker 5: losing people that have passed to drug addiction and people

41:31 Speaker 5: that have like gone young and stuff like that, and

41:34 Speaker 5: having overcome a lot of that myself. The kind of

41:37 Speaker 5: duality of yeah, like I'm so fortunate to have come

41:42 Speaker 5: out the other side of this thing, and then the like, wow,

41:46 Speaker 5: so many people that I knew didn't and like, you know,

41:49 Speaker 5: it just doesn't always feel great. Yeah, but the times

41:53 Speaker 5: that I've done this song, it's really connected with people,

41:58 Speaker 5: and it's really like brought a lot of like people

42:02 Speaker 5: out of their shell that probably wouldn't have talked to

42:04 Speaker 5: me or said anything. And so it was like, all right,

42:07 Speaker 5: maybe I gotta like suck it up and find a

42:09 Speaker 5: way to do this more often. Yeah, crack open my

42:14 Speaker 5: cheet sheet here just in case I need it.

42:16 Speaker 4: But yeah, if you're just joining us, we have Cody

42:18 Speaker 4: Pope here with us live in studio.

42:23 Speaker 5: So this song is called Moonlight. This is from my

42:26 Speaker 5: album The Howling Man. All Right, Candle's burning out, staring

42:31 Speaker 5: at the moonlight, wondering if I'm gonna make it through

42:34 Speaker 5: another spoon light. Piano man five bucks if you play

42:37 Speaker 5: this tune right. Trying to see my friends, let my

42:40 Speaker 5: spirit sort of new heights, heart hurts lone survivor of

42:43 Speaker 5: my friend's past. Why this needle make me feeble but

42:46 Speaker 5: not end fast? Only longevity I seek is that my

42:50 Speaker 5: pen last drive my car a buck fifty and then crash.

42:54 Speaker 5: Can't explain death's desire to those who love life. It's

42:58 Speaker 5: way more than money in having a love life. Brain

43:01 Speaker 5: operate different when you're drained of your thinking. This command

43:05 Speaker 5: visions way more than what you're drinking. Yo, It's hard

43:07 Speaker 5: to think of all my friends gone, forget the ones

43:10 Speaker 5: who abandon them. People bend gone. I know in all life,

43:14 Speaker 5: plenty of times I bend wrong. Wish I knew how

43:17 Speaker 5: to speak instead of this song. It feels, it feels.

43:21 Speaker 5: It feels that.

43:21 Speaker 8: I won't make it, can't take my soul and feel

43:24 Speaker 8: that I'm still naked. Nah, brother, you can fight this battle,

43:28 Speaker 8: just another war, nothing that we haven't overcome when we

43:31 Speaker 8: seen before. It feels it feels, it feels that I

43:34 Speaker 8: won't make it, can't take my soul and feel that

43:37 Speaker 8: I'm still naked. Nah brother, you can fight this battle,

43:41 Speaker 8: Just another war. Nothing that we haven't overcome when we

43:44 Speaker 8: seen before. I can't take it, can't seem to suppress

43:48 Speaker 8: the fall. My body hurts, brain, tire, depressing. Y'all you

43:51 Speaker 8: feeling stressed, Hit the gym and go find a brawl.

43:54 Speaker 8: All in all, there's a million ways to survive, my dog.

43:57 Speaker 8: This world needs you, even that it's most feeble, Even

44:00 Speaker 8: when you feel like God and the devil both deceive you. You

44:03 Speaker 8: got brothers, you got sisters. We all receive you. No

44:06 Speaker 8: matter what you gotta say, We're gonna try to believe

44:09 Speaker 8: you might have strength. Something you gotta fight for takes training,

44:13 Speaker 8: takes time, takes a life's work. Hard to see illumination

44:16 Speaker 8: when your light pours, blinded by the grinding of your

44:19 Speaker 8: shine and in your fight sores, save my number in

44:22 Speaker 8: your phone as never given up. No matter what I'm

44:25 Speaker 8: doing now, I'm about to give it up. Struggle runs deep. Please, No,

44:29 Speaker 8: I know you did enough. Please don't ever worry about

44:32 Speaker 8: if you did enough. It feels it feels, It feels

44:35 Speaker 8: that I won't make it. Can't take my soul and

44:37 Speaker 8: feel that I'm still naked. Nah, brother, you can fight

44:41 Speaker 8: this battle just another war. Nothing that we have and

44:44 Speaker 8: overcome when we've seen before.

44:48 Speaker 3: Hmm.

44:48 Speaker 4: I like it, thank you. I like that line, save

44:52 Speaker 4: my number on your phone has never given up. I

44:54 Speaker 4: like that a lot. Yeah, I think that's that's really cool.

44:56 Speaker 4: That's really cool. Cody Pope are with us, alive in

44:59 Speaker 4: a studio. And so what is the next what what's

45:03 Speaker 4: the next big show you got coming up?

45:05 Speaker 5: So I got so November sixth, November, Wow, September sixth,

45:11 Speaker 5: I'm gonna be in Northampton, Massachusetts at the Phoenix Rising

45:14 Speaker 5: Art Gallery. Oh cool, Yeah, I'm excited about that. Now

45:18 Speaker 5: that'll be a solo show. September fourteenth, I'm gonna be

45:22 Speaker 5: at the Shaskiine with the Keyholders for our Electric live set.

45:27 Speaker 5: We're gonna be playing at RAP Night, so it'll be

45:29 Speaker 5: a little late Sunday night gig.

45:30 Speaker 3: Yeah.

45:31 Speaker 1: Then on the twenty seventh of September, it's going to

45:34 Speaker 1: be me and the key Holders again. We're gonna be

45:37 Speaker 1: doing an unplugged acoustics show at the Spot.

45:39 Speaker 6: In Nashua, New Hampshire.

45:41 Speaker 3: Yeah.

45:41 Speaker 6: So that is kind of this month in a in

45:44 Speaker 6: a nutshell. Yeah.

45:45 Speaker 5: In addition to uh I've been doing I don't know

45:47 Speaker 5: if we had talked about it the last time I

45:49 Speaker 5: was here or not. But I've been doing a podcast

45:52 Speaker 5: every Monday. I do a live stream podcast on YouTube

45:55 Speaker 5: as well.

45:55 Speaker 3: I'm glad you brought that up. Ye, I was curious

45:57 Speaker 3: to ask you about that.

45:58 Speaker 6: Yeah.

45:58 Speaker 5: So it's called Cody Central. We're almost forty episodes deep now, Yeah.

46:04 Speaker 3: Cool.

46:05 Speaker 5: It's been awesome. It's I so every week we essentially

46:09 Speaker 5: bring on a new guest. We've had chefs, we've had musicians,

46:13 Speaker 5: we've had athletes, we've had life coaches, trauma survivors, all

46:17 Speaker 5: sorts of different people. Nice and Uh, it's been really

46:21 Speaker 5: cool because it gives me a chance to use my

46:23 Speaker 5: platform to let other people share their stories the way

46:26 Speaker 5: that like people like you guys give me a chance

46:28 Speaker 5: to share what I'm doing, you know, And so that's like,

46:31 Speaker 5: how could I contribute back to the community.

46:34 Speaker 6: That I ask so much of.

46:36 Speaker 3: Oh, that's really cool.

46:37 Speaker 6: It's been really cool.

46:37 Speaker 5: Yeah, I've been really privileged to have so many impactful

46:41 Speaker 5: and like really impressive people come on and share their stories.

46:45 Speaker 3: That's fantastic.

46:46 Speaker 6: Yeah, you do so lot.

46:48 Speaker 3: Stream excellent, excellent. So it's Monday is what.

46:50 Speaker 5: Every Monday eight pm on YouTube outstanding. Yeah, so it's

46:54 Speaker 5: it's been really cool. Yeah, we'll definitely have to have

46:56 Speaker 5: you on the seat sometimes.

46:58 Speaker 4: Oh I would love it. Yeah, I would love it.

46:59 Speaker 4: And it called Cody Central yep. Okay, okay, yeah, I

47:02 Speaker 4: remember seeing the logo for it. I dig the logo,

47:05 Speaker 4: but I'm gonna have to check out the show now

47:06 Speaker 4: that I know what it's about.

47:07 Speaker 3: Yeah. Yeah, that's really cool, very good, very good.

47:11 Speaker 4: Let's see anything we didn't mention that you want us

47:13 Speaker 4: to know about. You got a lot going on, so

47:15 Speaker 4: I want to make sure we don't leave anything unturned

47:16 Speaker 4: before we run out of time.

47:17 Speaker 5: No, I mean the biggest thing is just kind of

47:20 Speaker 5: letting the world know that that I'm back at it

47:22 Speaker 5: in whatever form you need me to. You know, this

47:26 Speaker 5: was since Giant Steps in Gate City came out, things

47:30 Speaker 5: slowed down, you know, because of life and everything that happened,

47:34 Speaker 5: and I obviously was part of that. So I'm just

47:38 Speaker 5: trying to like kind of get the momentum going again. Yea,

47:40 Speaker 5: and next year we're hoping to go back on tour

47:43 Speaker 5: next year, but in the meantime, I'm just trying to

47:46 Speaker 5: kind of fill up with as many regional dates as

47:49 Speaker 5: I can. I really just want to get the performing

47:51 Speaker 5: wheels going. I have a ton of new music in

47:54 Speaker 5: the vault right now. I guess me and Byron have

47:56 Speaker 5: a bunch of stuff. I want to release that stuff soon,

48:00 Speaker 5: but I want to do it with him, so so

48:04 Speaker 5: I'm kind of waiting until he's ready and got the time.

48:08 Speaker 5: When he has the window, we're going to run it

48:10 Speaker 5: and do that stuff. Hopefully we're going to do the

48:13 Speaker 5: holiday stroll together this year too. That's been a big

48:15 Speaker 5: tradition of ours for the last three years, so I'm

48:18 Speaker 5: hoping we're going to do that. But I also have

48:21 Speaker 5: I have an album with eight Visa in the vault

48:23 Speaker 5: that we're going to do soon.

48:24 Speaker 3: Really.

48:25 Speaker 5: Yeah, we've been working on it for like the last

48:26 Speaker 5: two years or so, and once again it's just a

48:30 Speaker 5: timing thing, and uh, we're gonna we got plans to

48:33 Speaker 5: do that soon. I have an EP with a producer

48:36 Speaker 5: from Maine. His name is Suede Breaks, and it's really cool.

48:39 Speaker 5: He's a music teacher and so he actually played all

48:43 Speaker 5: of the instruments on the record and made these songs

48:47 Speaker 5: and gave them to me. And I've had these for

48:49 Speaker 5: a while too, and so I'm gonna that's that's another

48:53 Speaker 5: project that we've gotten the vault.

48:55 Speaker 6: Uh.

48:55 Speaker 5: There's a producer from Maine named Graphic Melee if you've

48:59 Speaker 5: heard of him. Yeah, he's a multi instrumentalist, producer, DJ rapper,

49:04 Speaker 5: but he's from Portland and he hosts a show called

49:06 Speaker 5: Stereo Dreams every month that's like a producer showcase. Cool,

49:10 Speaker 5: and he sent me a batch of beats. So him

49:13 Speaker 5: and I have a really cool project that's going to

49:14 Speaker 5: be coming out as well. Yeah, the band and I

49:17 Speaker 5: are writing some music that like so right now, the band,

49:21 Speaker 5: we play like songs from my catalog that we're working

49:24 Speaker 5: on writing some new music that'll be like indicative of

49:28 Speaker 5: just the band. Okay, So we got that stuff coming.

49:32 Speaker 5: And then I also have a project that's going to

49:34 Speaker 5: be coming out. I don't know if it'll be late

49:36 Speaker 5: this year or next year, but I have an album

49:39 Speaker 5: coming out. It's called Cranberry Cody and I'm going to

49:42 Speaker 5: be playing most of the instruments on that. Oh, it's

49:44 Speaker 5: going to be a little more of like a indie

49:48 Speaker 5: rock alt rock kind of instrumentation with my like rap

49:52 Speaker 5: vocal stylings.

49:53 Speaker 4: Oh, very cool to it. Yeah, yeah, No, you got

49:56 Speaker 4: a lot in the pipeline. That's fantastic exactly. And where

49:59 Speaker 4: should people go on line to keep up with everything

50:00 Speaker 4: you're doing?

50:01 Speaker 5: So everything is Cody dash Pope dot com, c O.

50:05 Speaker 5: D Y Dash, p O p E dot com or

50:08 Speaker 5: Hellhound Publishing dot com. But that Hellhound is the universe.

50:12 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, excellent, excellent. Hey, it's great to see you man,

50:14 Speaker 4: Thank you so much, thank you so much, so much.

50:17 Speaker 4: I'm so grateful.

50:18 Speaker 5: You guys have given me a platform so many different times.

50:20 Speaker 5: So it's really cool that.

50:22 Speaker 7: I love having you come in.

50:23 Speaker 3: Absolutely.

50:23 Speaker 5: You know, it's like New Hampshire is a small place

50:26 Speaker 5: and there's not there's not many radio stations like this

50:29 Speaker 5: where you can just go and pop up and perform

50:31 Speaker 5: and talk and promote yourself and and you know, it's

50:35 Speaker 5: it's really special what you guys do. So I'm grateful

50:38 Speaker 5: to be part of it for sure.

50:39 Speaker 3: Oh, thank you.

50:40 Speaker 4: Well, we're happy to have here. I appreciate that very much. Absolutely.

50:43 Speaker 4: And Jenny, you've got a big week ahead of you.

50:45 Speaker 4: You want to plug your website so people know where

50:47 Speaker 4: to keep up with everything you're doing.

50:49 Speaker 7: Good luck, Yes, come check me out at gencopy dot com.

50:52 Speaker 7: J e n n C O f f uy dot com.

50:55 Speaker 7: You can check out the article from my new first

50:58 Speaker 7: byline on Common Dreams. Yeah, up there on the blog

51:02 Speaker 7: and yeah, I might be doing some stuff this week,

51:04 Speaker 7: so you might want to, you know, check it out

51:06 Speaker 7: maybe midweek or so.

51:08 Speaker 4: Absolutely, yes, yes, definitely good. And if you are listening

51:13 Speaker 4: live on Saturday, coming up at three pm today, this

51:16 Speaker 4: is not on the radio station. This will strictly be online,

51:19 Speaker 4: but a bonus fourth hour of Matt Connorton Unleashed that

51:23 Speaker 4: will strictly be online, so keep your eye on the

51:26 Speaker 4: social media. I'll be interviewing a Senate candidate, Karishma Manzur.

51:31 Speaker 3: Yes, she is gonna be norster and I think she's wonderful.

51:35 Speaker 6: Yep.

51:35 Speaker 4: We're gonna be doing a stream with her today at

51:37 Speaker 4: three pm live, so keep an eye on the Matt

51:39 Speaker 4: Connorton Unleashed social media channels. And if you don't get

51:42 Speaker 4: to see it live, it will be in the podcast feed.

51:44 Speaker 4: And again that is completely separate from the radio station,

51:47 Speaker 4: so that is online only, and then also online only

51:50 Speaker 4: a little bit later in the day, I'll be doing

51:52 Speaker 4: a live episode of Tough Bumps with Eric Pilcher and

51:54 Speaker 4: we'll be talking about the Rajah Jackson situation. That whole

51:58 Speaker 4: debacle attempted in my view, but seriously, but hey, but

52:02 Speaker 4: Eric and I are going to talk about that later today.

52:04 Speaker 4: So a lot's going on, but I'm gonna sneak in

52:07 Speaker 4: this track layers I think from as Cody Pope and

52:11 Speaker 4: Byron g from Giant Steps in Gate City and we'll

52:17 Speaker 4: we'll play us out with that. But Cody again, thank

52:19 Speaker 4: you so.

52:19 Speaker 6: Much, Thank you guys.

52:20 Speaker 4: Absolutely, and we'll talk to you a little bit later.

52:23 Speaker 4: Bye everybody, Bye bye.

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