GrimRock | Matt Connarton Unleashed

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0:41 Speaker 3: Chaotic man can and all of thiss.

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1:12 Speaker 5: Inflicted time and a fall.

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2:49 Speaker 4: Stout controlling, refusing the sab breaze.

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3:47 Speaker 7: No, that is abyss and that is grim Rock, and grim Rock is here with us, alive in studio today on Matt connorton unleash Tello grim.

4:07 Speaker 4: Hey, how are you good?

4:09 Speaker 7: Good? You sound great. It's wonderful to finally meet you. So you've been what how when was the first time you were on the show. I mean it was a few years ago, right, it was a couple of years ago. Yeah, it had to be at least a few because I remember. I'm pretty sure the first time we played don't You, which was the first single of yours that we ever played on the show, we were still at the old because we haven't always been in this studio. We used to be down on Elm Street and we moved here maybe two and a half years ago.

4:33 Speaker 7: So yeah, so it's been a while. It's been a while. How many times have you been? Are you in the five timers club?

4:37 Speaker 2: Now?

4:37 Speaker 4: No, this will be four with me being here live.

4:40 Speaker 7: Okay, okay, doesn't that count us two for him? Why? What do you mean because.

4:44 Speaker 8: He traveled over two thousand miles?

4:46 Speaker 7: Oh, two thousand miles.

4:49 Speaker 4: I don't have any miles. I don't think it's it was like six hundred.

4:52 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, a little bit. Yeah, So you're from Pennsylvania. By the way, it's been I don't know if you know, this has been a very Pennsylvania show today because it just going and this this was not planned. It just worked out this way. The guess we had in the first hour Robin Ross is also in Pennsylvania from Robin Ross and the Mellow Dines. So it is just funny how that worked out. But so you're on tour, where did you play last night or tonight? The first night of.

5:19 Speaker 4: The tonight's the first night I actually stopped at the spot just to see the place and meet the owner and pass some stuff out and just you know, try to track people tonight, you.

5:28 Speaker 7: Know, excellent, excellent. Yeah, Jenny and I haven't been there yet, so this will be our first time there. We Yeah, we had Mike McDowell, the owner, also known as the Healer. I don't know did he introduce himself to you that way?

5:40 Speaker 4: Uh No, Actually, I just I caught him behind the you know, the boar.

5:45 Speaker 7: Okay, so I was half kid. I don't think he actually introduces himself as the Healer. But but that is a moniker that he hasked. No, but he's a he's a great guy. So he was on the show back before he had even opened. He was talking about it, and uh, I thought it was very positive that because it's not I don't know what I'm curious, like what it's like in your area as far as this goes. But in this area, it's really hard to find all ages shows and and venues that will have all ages events. There just aren't many, you know, because you know, if you go out to a club or a bar, it's it's usually either eighteen plus or twenty one plus.

6:20 Speaker 7: It's hard to find all ages venues anywhere. You know. We've had We've had some over the years, and there might be some in the area that I don't know about. But there's you know, they're few and far between, you know, or there's always promoters too who will And I did some of this back in the day. You know, you throw a show at an ELK slot or something and then it's all ages. You let people in because you're not serving alcohol. But but I think it's really cool that you're playing an all ages show at the spot, and uh, that's a that's a really such a service to the community what they're doing by providing an all ages venue for for people.

6:54 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's definitely a good thing. You know, back home, there's not very much of that either, you know really yeah, yeah, it's that to either bring your own bottle kind of club or you know, it's an eighteen plus. You know, that's pretty cool.

7:05 Speaker 7: Yeah. Have you been able to play all ages shows before?

7:09 Speaker 5: Yeah?

7:09 Speaker 7: Like, okay, so there are there are opportunities where you live that's just probably not many. Yeah, yeah, no, that's good. That's good. Now, do you know anything the band you're opening for, the Melted Chapsticks, You know anything about them?

7:22 Speaker 4: I absolutely don't. I checked. When I found out who it was, I went and listened to some of their music, so I could see what they sounded like. Yeah, and uh, you know, I talked to his name Mike, Mike McDowell, No spot, No, it goes by King Chapstick or something on Instagram.

7:40 Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, Jenny, and I don't actually know them, believe it or not.

7:43 Speaker 4: Well, I was talking. I was talking to him back and forth here and there. So yeah, you get a feel for everything. Okay, it sounds like it's gonna be really cool, you know.

7:51 Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, outstanding. And then now where do you go after tonight? Where's your next stop after?

7:58 Speaker 4: Well, we'll stay here tonight, we'll leave tomorrow, and then I'll be in near Cleveland, Ohio. It will be my next one.

8:03 Speaker 7: Oh wow, Okay, how far are you going with this store? Like? How far? Where are you going? Uh?

8:08 Speaker 4: This is the Furthest. Okay, this is absolutely the Furthest. Yeah, you know what I mean. A lot of the other stuff is like three four hours tops.

8:14 Speaker 7: Okay, you know, okay, yeah for now? Yeah, yeah, oh, it sound like gas is expensive or anything, right, you.

8:22 Speaker 4: Know the way you know you play music and stuff, you know, it's it's you got a lost leader at the very beginning.

8:26 Speaker 7: Yeah, you know that is very true. That is very true. You know, even before gas prices went went way up like they have, there's been many you know, there's been national touring acts that have had to, uh really kind of cut down on the touring just because it's so cost prohibit of these days with the inflation and everything.

8:45 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, but and then you get the national touring acts, so it charged so much money, you know, to even go see him. I mean, I get I get that they're they're the you know, big name bands and stuff like that.

8:56 Speaker 7: Yeah.

8:57 Speaker 4: Wow, some of the prices man.

8:59 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, ridiculous. Yeah, it's incredible. Now when you play tonight, so is it just you?

9:04 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's just gonna be mean.

9:05 Speaker 7: And how does that work? So for our listeners who are not familiar with you, I know we've talked about it when you've been on the show, but I mean, how does that work when you're you know, because obviously you know your sound is it sounds like a full band on the studio albums, So what do you do to kind of replicate that live or how do you approach that?

9:22 Speaker 4: So basically, I do the recording of the tracks at the house, with the exception of cast a shadow. I did that in the studio studio, okay, But I play my own instruments, all of them.

9:31 Speaker 7: Yeah.

9:31 Speaker 4: And so in the very end when I go to get the when the track's finished and I need a backing track, then I just get rid of like all the guitars, all of them, and all the vocals except for maybe a few backup vocals depending on the track itself, okay. And then when I go to play it live, I played off tablet.

9:48 Speaker 7: Oh gotcha, Yeah, gotcha.

9:49 Speaker 4: So it's still there, you know, but it's just missing all this the main stuff. That way, you can hear when I make mistakes or ad lib or something's a little bit different with the song, you can hear that it's actually me playing against that track. It's not, you know, I'm not live sinking anything.

10:05 Speaker 7: Right, That makes sense?

10:06 Speaker 1: Now?

10:06 Speaker 7: Does anything ever go wrong with that?

10:08 Speaker 4: My first gig, man, I tell you what I think I probably told you on this show. And you know, mister Phil, he was a great guy for the whole thing. It was the Green Beacon Gallery, believe it or not. Okay, I played there a bunch ever since. Yeah, my first gig, you know, I was at home and I had my setup, and I was like, yes, this stuff works, I'm great.

10:24 Speaker 7: Yeah.

10:25 Speaker 4: Well I took a bunch of stuff with me that worked at home, and it didn't work with the system. Oh no, Oh it was a mess. But I got through it, you know, and he was very patient with me, and it was really cool. Well, I guess I've been back lots of times that place.

10:39 Speaker 7: So yeah, oh, excellent, excellent. How long are you playing for tonight? How long was that to you have?

10:47 Speaker 4: It depends. Now there was a third band on there. I think they something happened that they're not there now, okay, And I know there's another person going to do an act in between. Really, so I think originally it could have I'm going to guess forty minutes.

11:02 Speaker 7: Okay. So yeah, is that kind of what you're used to? I mean, like, have you ever had to play like a really long set?

11:09 Speaker 4: Oh yeah. I played shows that were two hours, no kidding, yeah, everything in the book, man, I was like one through. I was like trying to remember stuff. By the end. I'm like, maybe I'll play something again, you know, like just to bring it back, you know. I'll played two hours shows a couple different times. Oh, okay, that's long.

11:23 Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, So I want to talk about your sound because I describe it, you know, I always talk about it on the show before we play something of yours that you've got kind of a it's kind of a low five garage rock sound. That's how I describe it. I mean, that is that how you describe it to people who haven't heard you yet if they're curious about what to expect.

11:42 Speaker 4: Absolutely, you know, I always say garage rock, and I don't know if people really know what that is, you know, but you know, I'll say it, or I'll say alternative rock, you know what I mean, because that alternative rock could be anything from mellow to grungy to you know, that raw sound or whatever.

11:55 Speaker 9: You know.

11:55 Speaker 4: Yeah, but uh yeah, so I just either those two were it's you know, it depends on i'm talking to. If it's a musician, I'm like, hey, it's garage rock, you know. If it's a regular person, I'm like, now, it's it's all rock, you know.

12:06 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, yeah. I mean in the nineties, alt rock really kind of became a catch all term for anything that well, you know, like sort of in the post in the post hair metal period, alt rock. I feel like became a catch all for anything that wasn't hair metal, absolutely, and then eventually it just became everything because you know, everything was alt rock.

12:24 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, and Post Your Children Collect the Soul together with Nirvana. Yeah, that's alternative rock.

12:30 Speaker 7: Right right right. So for those for those who have not seen you again, if you're only listening to the audio version of the show, I say, yes, you check the video and you know there'll do lots of pictures and stuff. But so you've got the whole, You've got your outfit, you've got your face paint. How long does it take to put all that together?

12:50 Speaker 4: That's that's my every person, every makeup artist's dream right here. My wife does it. Yeah, and it takes about, I don't know, twenty minutes.

12:59 Speaker 7: Oh that's it something around there. Oh I'm not bad.

13:01 Speaker 4: Like if I did it, it would look terrible when I'd be done in five minutes and yeah, it'd be a mess.

13:06 Speaker 9: No.

13:06 Speaker 4: She she she does it for me every time. And oh, okay, I appreciate it. Yeah, yeah, she does everything for me. Like with this, it's it's I'm grateful, you know.

13:15 Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, oh that's excellent. Yeah, I mean I wouldn't be like if I had to do that, I wouldn't be able to do it myself either.

13:21 Speaker 4: Oh no, it looks terrible if it looked like if I was just like four and just took a crayon on a piece of paper. Oh yeah, it's bad.

13:29 Speaker 7: I can't draw so like anytime, Like you know, when I used to dress up for Halloween. If my favorite band is Kiss. But if I were dressing up as a Kiss member, somebody would have to do my makeup for me. I literally could not. I just wouldn't have a clue to how to even do any of that myself. So yeah, I would. It would be a mess. Now have you ever I know I've asked you this before, but again for people who are just learning about you, have you ever played a show without the makeup I'd do?

13:54 Speaker 4: From Tom and Tom? It just depends on what it is. Yeah, you know what I mean. If it's like an open mic or something somewhere, it's only going to be a tracks or something. I probably I don't paint up. I probably should, you know, I think I've said that before. I probably should just to go do it right, But the amount of time it takes to do that, by the time you get up there and you you wait and you get your two three tracks or whatever. It's I just usually just get myself, you know, yeah, and the people have no idea who I am because I look like everybody else at that point.

14:22 Speaker 7: Right, So, is there is there like a transformative thing that happens when you put the makeup on you know, I've I've heard like Gene Simmons describe, you know, when when he puts the makeup on it and he becomes the demon. It's like a completely different mindset, Like does that happen for you anything like that?

14:37 Speaker 4: Well, you know on stage, yeah, I mean you got to take on what you look like, you know, just it's it's a completely different atmosphere and you're in front of all these people and you have to you know, your job is to entertain them, you know, whether you're you're musician, you're like, oh, my art is my art? That your your jobs to entertain the people that they're there. Yeah, that's fourth, first and foremost. So you got to give something so that you know, be painted up like us and give him a show, you know, in along the lines with that, right, you know, that's that's really what you know, is the transformative part.

15:10 Speaker 4: You know what I mean.

15:12 Speaker 7: We have some people in the chat room. Let's see. Oh we have some Yeah, we have some Vincent Julian Johnson is that someone you know?

15:21 Speaker 4: Yeah, I know Vinnie. Oh yeah, yeah, Vinnie's awesome. I love him.

15:24 Speaker 7: Yeah, he says, oh, he posted a bunch of things in here. He said, let's go grimmer Man. Uh Grim, Rock, I'm I'm tuning in, brother, let's go. Let's see. Oh. Lacey, our friend, Lacey who I am, says I have a great show. Thank you, Lacey, if you're still listening, Rock and Robin says, thanks so much for having me on today. Oh yeah, that was Robin, Robin Ross. We had on in the first hour. Another Pennsylvanian. Thank you us. Yep, thank you Robin for joining us. Melvin Crockett Junior says, my guy Grim.

15:59 Speaker 4: That is the guy that did the video for Abyss.

16:01 Speaker 7: Oh, no kidding, okay, Oh excellent, excellent.

16:05 Speaker 4: He did a fantastic job on that video.

16:07 Speaker 7: Yeah. Absolutely, Vincent says, that's my guy. I love the guitar riff. Go Grim. Uh, let's see. Vincent also said, damn Grim, I see you, brother. I can't wait to do a feature with a hip hop twist. Ah, what does that mean? Interesting?

16:24 Speaker 4: So he's he's an artist. He does you know, hip hop and rap and stuff like that.

16:28 Speaker 7: Yeah.

16:28 Speaker 4: I mean, and we've talked about a collaboration. So okay, So it's you know that the things that I do he doesn't usually do, and the things he does I don't usually do. So it's going to be kind of kind of really unique, yeah, for both of us to get together to do something. But oh yeah, we're going to do something. I don't know what yet. Yeah, but we're we're going to figure something out.

16:45 Speaker 7: Oh excellent.

16:46 Speaker 2: Yeah.

16:47 Speaker 4: Yeah.

16:47 Speaker 7: He also said in the chat, a grim tell them to give you boy a shout out for grind Squad music group.

16:53 Speaker 4: That's his that's his group.

16:54 Speaker 7: Oh excellent. Okay, okay, well, very good, very good. I wonder if that's who if somebody was trying to call this udio line, I wonder if that's who was calling

17:05 Speaker 7: the eight seven eight? Is that a familiar aera code? I don't know what that was, Okay, yeah, no idea. That might have just might have been spam. Who knows.

17:14 Speaker 4: Extended Core warns you want to renew it?

17:16 Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah, I get a lot of those. So, uh, are people surprised at at shows? If someone's there at a show, Like if people who go to the spot tonight who are not familiar with you haven't heard your music yet, do you expect that they will be surprised when because your your image with the paint? I mean, the first thing I'm sure you've heard this, and I've probably even said this to you, The first thing I think of is King Diamond when I see the paint. But you're you're not that right, so you know you're not gonna get up there and be like, you know, it's it's like we talked about, it's garage rock.

17:48 Speaker 7: So there's that cool, which I think is cool, that that contrast between what what you appear like visually and what comes out. But I mean, do you run into that a lot where people are just like, oh, just really taken aback?

18:00 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, yeah, I get that, And you know it's okay because I like that elementary surprise.

18:05 Speaker 7: You know, I was gonna say, it must be fun, Oh it is? Yeah.

18:08 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know I'll play something, I play a couple of risks or whatever. You know, don't warm up. I might play something a little heavier. You know what I mean. The Yeah, I go into my first track, my first couple of tracks, I do play them a little heavier than you know what it's recorded, But then you know, I'm in and out of things, you know what I mean. So when we get to that part, everybody's.

18:23 Speaker 7: Like yeah, yeah, yeah, oh that's cool.

18:26 Speaker 4: But yeah, it's It's like I said, I've never had really any any negativity you know, with it. Yeah, you know, dooring a live thing. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure if I got bigger, you know, somebody be upset about it, you know, like you don't look like.

18:38 Speaker 7: That, right, right, you know whatever, Hey, uh no, I think that's cool. Like I said, I think that that that contrast is really cool. Maybe, but yeah, maybe, like if you showed up to an open mic with that, you might get you might get some some puzzlement from uh.

18:57 Speaker 4: Especially if I showed up with that the acoustic with that, you know right right, you know, not even playing I'm playing mellow just like I did there, you know.

19:04 Speaker 7: Right, yeah, no doubt when like, what was the idea, what was the genesis behind this, behind the image of grim Rock actually visually.

19:15 Speaker 4: It actually was a Halloween costume. Yeah, and she knows this. I tell a story all the time, and she's here to severify this whole thing. So it was actually a work costume party. We actually met at work, and you know it's probably not a you know, we met at work.

19:30 Speaker 7: And statistically that's very common.

19:32 Speaker 4: Yeah, So here we are a bunch of years later, we had this work party and went together. And I used to be I've said before. You know, I'm fourteen years sober now, but I used to be a heavy drinker before. And so I went to this party. I was already tanked up and I went with her looking like this, and I was running behind people. You know, I didn't even talk. I mean, it just it just made people upset, you know, like the whole thing like, oh, you know he's but you know, from there, I was like, I am going to use this one day, you know what I mean.

19:58 Speaker 4: I had no idea what I was going to and I used it for a couple of different calloweens. Yeah, and it modified, you know, I modified it, you know, a couple of different times to this gentlemanly grim yeah kind of look yeah, you know versus the halloweenish one, you know what I mean.

20:11 Speaker 7: Okay, but she'll tell you. Yeah, so it's kind of evolved.

20:15 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, it's definitely evolved.

20:16 Speaker 5: Yeah.

20:16 Speaker 7: Oh very cool. You said fourteen years sober?

20:19 Speaker 4: Fourteen years sober?

20:20 Speaker 7: You?

20:20 Speaker 4: Good for you.

20:21 Speaker 7: I don't think we've ever talked about that.

20:23 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, I don't. I don't think we have.

20:25 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I mean is that something you you talk about openly? Or oh yeah yeah yeah? How did you? How did you stop when you stopped?

20:33 Speaker 4: Oh well, that's that's an interesting story itself. Is it that one we'll have to talk about offline?

20:39 Speaker 7: Oh? Really?

20:39 Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, all right, it's really it's really an interesting, interesting story. And you know, yeah, some people know it, and I don't care that people really know it, know it? Yeah, just that you know we're work at now.

20:53 Speaker 7: Okay, you know what I mean? Gotcha? Gotcha understood? Understood? Yeah, No, good for you, though. How do you like how do you stay? I mean, if you can answer this, like, what's what's your biggest motivation to stay on the path that you are? As far as that and not.

21:10 Speaker 4: You know, it's it's been so long that it just doesn't even really bother me or ask me anymore.

21:14 Speaker 7: That's good.

21:14 Speaker 4: That's the thing, you know, but I've heard people, you know, in in some of the meeting rooms and whatever, say, oh, I was thirty years and fell off.

21:21 Speaker 9: You know.

21:22 Speaker 4: Yeah, that kind of bothers me, you know what I mean, thinking that, you know, thinking that that may be a possibility. But you know, I the way things are really, you know, I just don't I don't see that happening. Yeah, I don't know, you know, I mean.

21:36 Speaker 7: Yeah, I mean it's well, I mean, everyone's different, and but it sounds like you, you know, mentally obviously you don't miss it, and so it sounds like you're probably just you know, I mean, again, everyone's different. You know, some people once they're done with it, they're done with it and that's it. And which is what it sounds like, you know, it sounds like is your situation. But yeah, you do hear people say, you know, I struggle with it, you know, decades every day. It's hard, you know. But but but it sounds like, but everyone's brain is wired differently, you know what I mean.

22:05 Speaker 7: And it sounds like you're fortunately, you know, you just sounds like you don't even like, don't even think about it, right, it's just in your past.

22:13 Speaker 4: And yeah, you know it's crazy because you know, I used to be a really bad drinker. I mean I really was, you know, and it became really problematic, you know, and I wasn't willing to see it at the time. Yeah, but it's funny because you know, my my takedown was you know, I had a friend that I hung out with that we got loaded up and we played music. So when we went and played out and things like that, Yeah, you know, it was bar music, you know what I mean. And its crazy as I can play all these places now and not even think about it.

22:44 Speaker 7: That's good. You know.

22:45 Speaker 4: I can watch all these people fall over and hit their head and stuff, you know, coming out the door or whatever, and I just laugh at him or whatever. But no, really, you know, it just doesn't bother me anymore.

22:55 Speaker 7: Yeah, that's great. Yeah, good for you.

22:57 Speaker 4: You know, you have to unwire what you had in there, hardwired. I guess there's something I don't know.

23:03 Speaker 7: I know a bit about it, but it's not a problem that I've ever had. But I work as a hypnotherapist and I help people too, mostly with an addiction it. I help people to quit smoking. But but but it's interesting. It's it's one of the things that is similar is if you talk to do you smoke no good good good for you? Yeah, if you talk to smokers, you know, it's kind of a similar thing where some smokers will tell you or ex smokers will tell you, yeah, I just I quit and that was it, and I just I don't miss it, and I feel so much better.

23:37 Speaker 7: But there's there's some people who will tell you. And this was kind of my mother's excuse why she went back to it. You know, she would talk about, how, oh, it's a daily struggle for me. Every day I have to resist the urge to smoke a cigarette, which she did for a few years. She did resist, and then eventually she went back to it. But but so much of that with with cigarettes. The psychological addiction is so much more powerful than the physical addiction, than the chemical addiction. And it's it's a you know, because people think, oh, you know, once the nicotine is in you, once you've been addicted to it, and those brain receptors are active and expecting it, that it's just that you're just stuck with that forever, and it's not true.

24:22 Speaker 7: It's but it's it's the psychological addiction, you know, right, right, but but it sounds like it was kind of like that with you with alcohol and then so once you were done with it, you were just done with it, and yeah, life is better without it.

24:34 Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, yeah.

24:35 Speaker 7: Yeah. Oh, Eleanor is in the Facebook live chat Eleanor Luna. Of course we love Eleanor from New Hampshire Underground and she says, we can't wait to see you tonight, grim Rock and thank you Matt Connerton, Thank you Eleanor. Yeah. Yeah, we haven't seen Eleanor in in a while. Actually, Eleanor and Andre, so that'll be great. Yeah, and of course, uh that I believe it's if I remember correctly, it's through Eleanor. That's how we met Mike McDowell from the spot. So because I know they do a lot of work together.

25:05 Speaker 7: New Hampshire Underground another great great venue in uh in Nashua. We should play I think we should play a song I was thinking about because you mentioned cast a Shadow. We should give that a spin and then we'll come back and talk some more. But tell us about that, and tell us about the video too. The video for Abyss for cast Shadow was a caster Shadow? Was that the one that the video?

25:27 Speaker 4: Uh No, Melvin Crockett did the video for abyss Oh for abyss Oh.

25:31 Speaker 7: Okay, well tell tell us about cast oh. I remember why cast a Shadow came up because you were talking about, uh, recording that differently than right.

25:38 Speaker 4: That was actually a rhythm Mouse studios. I didn't record any of it at the house.

25:41 Speaker 7: Gotcha, that's what it was. Yeah. Yeah, what was that like? Because you obviously this was a change in process for you recording this track. Yeah.

25:50 Speaker 4: So I've been in the stud years before. Yeah, so I knew the process generally. Yeah, it's been so long since I've been in there, you know, and working by yourself all the time. I'm pretty much you know, pushing playings like hey, you know, look at her and be like, hey, what's this sound like? Well it sounds good? Maybe it does, maybe she doesn't. I don't know. Honestly's telling me, you know, just to make me happier, not to be honest, but uh, but to go into the studio and actually have somebody there.

26:15 Speaker 4: It says, hey, do this again, Hey try this, Hey, let's try this again. You know, that extra little bit of guidance, you know, I really appreciate it from mister Bob, you know, what I mean. He uh, he was. He was fantastic, trying to put it all together, you know, and we talked a lot through it, you know, because I think I was the heaviest artist he's actually recorded at this point.

26:36 Speaker 7: Okay, oh wow, Well, like what kind of stuff was he used to? Uh, recording like this? More like singer songwriters?

26:42 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think so. You know, there's a guy that's there like all the time. His name is Ali Braver, and his stuff is really cool, it really is. But it's it's light compared to you know, my stuff. To the recording process, I'm sure it's a lot different.

26:53 Speaker 7: Yeah. So have you only done the one song with.

26:57 Speaker 4: Him at this point? Yeah, I was. I actually had some time schedule with them, but we had some things. There was a bunch of things that happened at the beginning of the year, and of course, you know, it goes, everything gets delayed and delayed, and then now I'm running back and be like, Okay, after I do these shows, I'm gonna go back into the studio, you know kind of thing. Yeah, I'm hoping and get the rest of this done. Yeah, it took it took forever to do do g R five yeah. Yeah, there's actually two separate sets of mixes for that for a lot of those tracks.

27:24 Speaker 7: Really.

27:24 Speaker 4: Yeah, So the original mix for You Belong you see, I think is the one you might have played, and I think don't use the one you play is the original mix work. And those mixes were done at the house before Matt Kirshner got him, before I got picked up by Golden Robot Records, so I already had him released through Districtated, you know, over Spotify and everything else. So when I got picked up from Golden Route Records and you know, got involved with Matt Kirshner and stuff, I ended up sending everything to him.

27:53 Speaker 4: He remixed them all, and that's the mixes that are on the g R five for Golden Robot Records.

27:59 Speaker 7: Okay, gotcha, Okay, I did not realize that. Interesting. All right, Well let's give this suspend. This is cast a Shadow. If you're just joining us, grim Rock is here with us in studio. He's gonna be playing tonight at the spot in Nashua. Uh So, but here it is. This is cast a Shadow, and this is grim Rock.

28:34 Speaker 2: Stu Mount where they I'm doing.

28:51 Speaker 9: Man, they'll be bay sometimes away O move.

29:06 Speaker 2: Understand so mad that cast a shadow, the spere sounder

29:18 Speaker 2: that cost a shadow.

29:24 Speaker 10: M Brown, slow my brains in the space and.

30:23 Speaker 2: The mounds and.

30:28 Speaker 6: In all the stars stone the shade over me.

30:36 Speaker 2: There's no way.

30:38 Speaker 6: I'm not fine.

30:40 Speaker 2: It's just my pain. It's some kind You want the crass phone of the fake away. This days my money. They can't sell it's sound It cast.

31:30 Speaker 6: The cash, It cast.

31:39 Speaker 7: A shadow, that has cast a shadow by grim Rock, and grim Rock is here with us live in the studio. He's going to be playing tonight at the Spot in Nashua, opening up for the Melted Chapsticks and the show starts at eight pm ten dollars admission. It is all ages, which is very cool and we're excited about that. Oh I should mention the name of the show is Demons at the Disco live alt rock, lamb and funk music, mocktails and cava, late night bites, dance floor fun and door prizes. Very cool. So the Melted Chapsticks and grim Rock tonight again starts at eight o'clock.

32:22 Speaker 7: If you are listening live on Saturday, of course May thirtie at eight o'clock. It is an all ages show which is extremely cool. So and grim Rock is here with us in studio for the first time. So we've we've talked, we've had you on the phone many times, but it's great to finally meet you. And again I will just remind you if you are listening to the audio version of the show, please check out the video we're streaming right now on Facebook and YouTube and you know, you can always find it later. But grim is in all of his Uh.

32:51 Speaker 7: Is this what you've worn like since the beginning of developing this image or has that changed over over time?

32:59 Speaker 4: That's changed? Yeah, I guess that's more modified now than it was. You know, I had when I first did it as the Halloween costume. I got like a used suited it like a Salvation army, and yeah, we spray painted it and did all kind of crazy stuff with it to make it, you know, ghostly for costume, you know, right. But the face paint it's pretty much the same. It was white, but the little the circles were little, and I had a lot more stitches, you know, a lot more stitches on my mouth, you know, and and a lot of that got modified, you know.

33:28 Speaker 4: Now it's just the poor and the bigger eyes you know, but it's the same premise. Yeah, Like if you looked at the first picture, you look at this me and like, oh yeah, that's the same guy. It's just looks newer picture than the other one, you know, right. But of course now I'm just in the straight black and uh, you know, I'm just.

33:43 Speaker 7: Ask you this is from a practical standpoint. Do you get hot when you're on stage wearing that light?

33:48 Speaker 4: Yes? Yes, And that's why I have two different sets of makeup for the for stuff, you know. I think we talked about this before too. I gotta thank Gene Simmons. You talked about Gene Simmons. I got thank Gens him is because I found a video of him making up his daughter and his signature face thing, and he had let people know what the makeup was. And it's actually like a clown white makeup, so it's a different type of makeup. And I was wondering how, you know, he got up there because when I was wearing this, because this stuff's the temporary one, you know what I mean, I'll put the heavier one on tonight because I'll be sweating, you know and stuff.

34:25 Speaker 4: Yea, but I was wondering how the heck, they did that, you know what I mean up there playing, you know, and you can you can see him like they're damp but nothing's really running. And I'm like, yeah, yeah, they do that, you know. But I saw that video and I ended up ordering Maron's the company. I ended up ordering a tub of this stuff. I was like, well, if this thing works, and I got a tub of it now, and yeah, that's what I used for the base cut, and let me tell you this stuff, it stands up. But I did know I did do something though.

34:52 Speaker 4: I left the black the regular because as I as I get warmed up and starts sweating and it starts to run, it started looks kind of cool, you know, because it's kind of alters my image through the night.

35:01 Speaker 2: You know.

35:01 Speaker 4: Oh okay, so I didn't order the other paint to make it so it stays.

35:06 Speaker 5: Yeah.

35:06 Speaker 4: I thought it was kind of cool to because I found that out at that metal fest last year in the middle of July. You know, the white was I mean, it was just stuck there and other stuff was just running off me.

35:16 Speaker 9: You know.

35:16 Speaker 7: Oh wow, Yeah, that's kind of cool. I wonder, though, do you ever have a have you ever been tempted to just not do the makeup.

35:24 Speaker 4: I have, but you know it's it's my image. Yeah, you know what I mean, especially when I play a long set and I'm gonna have that, I'm gonna be plugged in right right, you know?

35:34 Speaker 7: Yeah, No, that makes sense, that makes sense. But yeah, I can imagine it's tempting on a hot day to just I don't know, I was hot that day. I'll tell you that. Now, do you do you get an opportunity to play with a lot of different uh, because what you're doing is unique enough where I would imagine as far as playing shows, you fit in kind of with uh, Like, you don't necessarily fit in anywhere perfectly, right, because while you're doing is unique. But at the same time, sometimes that can be an advantage where you actually, like not fitting in helps you fit in more places.

36:07 Speaker 7: If that makes sense? Good? Does I mean have you found that?

36:11 Speaker 3: Like?

36:11 Speaker 7: Are there are there other artists in your area back in Pennsylvania who you play a lot of shows with because you just fit well with them?

36:17 Speaker 4: Or yeah, there's a few of them that I played with, you know, consistently, and then you know, I get to uh, I get to play all kinds of different places with all kind of different bands. Yeah, and you know there was some you know that I got in there and like I played at the Rock Room in Pittsburgh. I love that place. The bands that were in there were ultra heavy and I sounded like air supply compared to them, you know. But then I had other places I went to and I was the heaviest of everybody there, you know what I mean.

36:45 Speaker 4: Or you know, the we had a guy we played with. His name is you know, I don't know if you talked him right Silicon Kong. His stuff is so different that his stuff's different and my stuff's heavier. And then we had like Choshak you might. I don't know if you talk to them either. There's stuff like in between everything, there's stuff's gotten progressively heavier though. Yeah, and uh so, I mean it's just you know, Perisha Bulls are like more punky kind of you know. So I kind of fit in with a lot of different bands, you know what I mean.

37:13 Speaker 4: Yeah, I can get plugged into anything, like you're just playing whatever.

37:17 Speaker 7: But that makes sense, that makes sense. Oh, we have h Jenny, the the Trolls have shown up. Yeah, I'm not gonna read their comments, but I don't. I don't mind the trolls, though, I think it's funny. We have, Uh, how do you even say that, Blacker Regie, I don't know how to say that. Who else do we have? Mister Taco sixty six? We know that name. We know, we know mister Taco. And Ben Gleck is in there. That's interesting, Yeah, we have. They usually show up. So I do a podcast called Tough Bumps about wrestling on Sundays, and that's where we usually see some of these people.

37:57 Speaker 7: But they're they're a there. There are a line with a podcaster from New York City who has been going around saying that my show is canceled, you know, the show that I'm literally sitting here doing right now. Oh yeah, he tells people, but he does that like every six months or so. He'll tell anyone who will listen that I'm not on the air anymore, all right, and that WMNH parted ways with me. And you know, meanwhile, I've been here for over nine years, and.

38:19 Speaker 4: Well, sister Runner, they can know that I actually sponsored a wrestler for a while. You did, yeah, oh yeah, talk about that. So a guy from New York. Actually name was Jay Flyer. Yeah, and he was an amateur wrestler, you know what I mean. It was running through like PCWA and and all the those kind of leagues. Yeah, and I actually sponsored him for a while. Actually the theme song for him and everything.

38:40 Speaker 7: Oh wow.

38:41 Speaker 4: And one of the shows I actually got to go to was a Hamburg PA and we went out there and I actually got to get in the ring with oh man name just slip my. He was a referee, a big name referee, Earl oh Earl. Yeah, okay, I actually got to get I guys, stand in the ring with them and hold the Intercontinental thing in my gear. I went like this and uh stuff and you know, and so that was pretty cool, you know that that happened.

39:11 Speaker 7: So yeah, oh excellent, excellent.

39:15 Speaker 10: Are you?

39:15 Speaker 7: Are you a wrestling fan just generally or you know, I like.

39:18 Speaker 4: The old school wrestling, you know what I mean. I don't really get to I don't really watch much TV as it is, you know what I mean. Yeah, so if something's on, you know, I watch it, but you know, I don't go of my way to actually watch it, you know.

39:30 Speaker 7: Yeah, just as well. Too much isn't good for you?

39:34 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, it's just always bad news on a TV like, you know, at least at the end of the newscast they used to do like, oh we found a rescued a puppy and it was a happy story. They don't even do that anymore. Next hour we have doom.

39:48 Speaker 7: You know. Well, I think maybe we should play another studio track. I'm gonna find uh. I want to make sure I'm playing the right mixes, though, so let me let me find.

40:00 Speaker 4: Oh, you're fine with that. I was just like, yeah, because it was an interesting facet to that JORF. I've took forever to put together it.

40:06 Speaker 7: Yeah, Oh, I think I found Oh what is this stone?

40:11 Speaker 4: That's not even that's not even that's a demo track?

40:14 Speaker 7: Oh okay, because I didn't recognize the title. That's why I was wondering. Yeah, let's see. Oh is this it? What is this hashtag? NML? Oh that's a that's what what is this hashtag? NMS? The Grim tracks?

40:30 Speaker 4: Oh that's the podcast.

40:32 Speaker 7: Oh is that a podcast that you do?

40:33 Speaker 5: Uh?

40:34 Speaker 4: No, actually it is two guys. Are is the one guy in the UK and one guy in Canada and they do like an independent music podcast.

40:39 Speaker 7: Oh okay, Yeah, oh yeah, excellent. M yeah, I'm having trouble just finding.

40:48 Speaker 4: Okay, the City has a new mix.

40:51 Speaker 7: What is it city?

40:52 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's City twenty twenty four mix or whatever else, not new, but it's new or oh that would be probably something met evan. Yeah, it's actually off the R five ep oh. I mean uh Grimwork Radio ep oh.

41:06 Speaker 7: I found it? Yeah, yeah, oh cool. Yeah, let's give this. Yeah, I haven't heard this. Let's give this a spin. If you're just joining us, we do have grim Rock here with us live in studio. He is on tour. He's gonna be playing tonight in Nashua at the Spot. But I have not heard this. Let's give this a spin. This is grim Rock City, the twenty twenty four version. Here, it is.

41:48 Speaker 9: Road going.

42:02 Speaker 3: So way now the people come around now.

42:39 Speaker 9: Not be.

42:42 Speaker 2: You famthing now.

42:47 Speaker 9: To this.

42:48 Speaker 6: Why you can stay all the traffic, let's not go up the laugh the bustle.

43:06 Speaker 8: On the.

44:33 Speaker 2: Well.

44:33 Speaker 7: That is cool. That is City, the twenty twenty four version. That is grim Rock and he is here with us live in studio. He's going to be playing tonight at the Spot in Nashua. Really looking forward to that, along with Melted Chapsticks and now it's going to be very cool. Show is at eight pm, ten dollars cover, but it is all ages, no alcohol. Demons at the Disco. That is the name of the show tonight. I like that name. That be a good name for a band, Demons at the Disco.

45:01 Speaker 4: Ah yeah, definitely, yeah, yeah.

45:04 Speaker 7: So yeah, that'll be cool. Oh so you were saying while we were off air, while we were playing that song, that the video because I really liked the video for that, because I love images of city skylines and all that always have, especially at night. And you said that was made by Lewis is a tivvy or tivy itv it is tivvy. He was on the show with us like maybe three or four years ago. It was definitely when we were at the old studio. Of course he's in the UK, so it was remote. But you were saying, he's deployed right now.

45:34 Speaker 4: Yeah, he's actually deployed right now, so.

45:36 Speaker 7: In in Poland. You said, yeah, yeah, wow, yeah, I remember him talking about that that he was in the military, but also just such a such a good musician too. Oh yeah, really really like his stuff, and he was he was great to talk to. Now as far as as far as studio releases. What's next for you? Because you're always writing, right You're it seems like you're always writing and recording.

45:55 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, I got stuff. Fuck out kind of things they have like I couldn't tay an like only five starter tracks or something, oh my fish through. Yeah, and you know, trying to put like a good good list together for this cast a Shadow album, you know what I mean? Yeah, it's actually gonna be a full album, okay, an the end and I'm gonna go out and I'm gonna go out on a limb. You know, I wanted d R five to be ten or twelve tracks, but I think this one is going to be the one that's going to be ten or twelve tracks.

46:21 Speaker 4: Okay, Yeah, I got I got, I got enough starters that I can. I can just go back and and look through and you know, shape a sound for the album, you know what I mean?

46:31 Speaker 7: Yeah? Yeah, outstanding? Well, so, uh oh, time is short? Where should people go online to keep up with everything that you're doing?

46:42 Speaker 4: I would go to grim rockandroll dot com. I'll spell it out rock and roll a Andy, Grim rock and Roll, get dot Calm. You go everywhere from there, okay, and if you do the at symbol grim Rock and Roll, I'll spell it out. You find me everywhere that way on social media's and YouTube.

46:58 Speaker 7: All right, outstanding out and so again, just to remind everybody tonight eight pm at if you are listening live on Saturday, of course May thirtieth, Grim Rock opening for the Melted chap six at the Spot. It is in Nashua, New Hampshire. It is all ages, ten dollars cover and please come say hello. Of course we'll be there. Jenny and I will be there. Sounds like Eleanor will be there, so that's cool. Hopefully Andrea is there too, And now I'm sure it'll be a great and like I said, it'll be our first time there too, so it'll be it'll be wonderful to finally see what they've done with the place and what they're doing.

47:32 Speaker 4: So I'm excited. Look it looks super really excited about the menu too.

47:36 Speaker 7: Oh really yeah, yeah, like all kinds are really cool cockies in seasons. Oh okay, I'm excited about that. Oh good, very very good, excellent.

47:44 Speaker 8: Always check out the mosaic Are Collective. The next opening is on June thirteenth, the Human Canvas from five to seven pm, and that's actually going to be at our new location on Chesnut Street. We are expanding the gallery. We're really excited about this. Well, definitely come on down and check it out. And as usual, you can always keep up with my good troubles at Gencoffee dot com.

48:06 Speaker 7: J E N N C O F f uy dot com. Well, very good, and of course you can find me at Matt connorton dot com and also check out the new site Matt Connorton Unleashed dot com for even more content and the searchable archive of the show. You can find our previous conversations with Grimrock there as well. So, uh so we're looking really looking forward to tonight. This will be great, Grimrock, thank you again so much.

48:30 Speaker 4: Hey, thank you. I really appreciate you the opportunities that you've given me, and to be here is just it's like the cherry on top of the icing of the cake or whatever, you know.

48:39 Speaker 7: Oh, wonderful. Appreciated, absolutely personal, and if you miss any part of today's show, it'll be up in just a little bit at WM and H radio dot org and at my website, Matt Connorton dot com and of course Matt connorton Unleashed dot com. And I was saying about closing the segment with Haunted, What do you think? There you go. We didn't play that one yet, right, you do have a lot of music. Yeah, let's play this one. This is a good one. This is Haunted from grim Rock and uh, we'll talk to you a little bit later.

49:24 Speaker 7: Bye, everybody, we.

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