Mark Winters | Matt Connarton Unleashed

0:00 Speaker 1: Singer songwriter Mark Winters this year. Hello, Mark, what's shaken? Matt,

0:04 Speaker 1: Welcome to the program.

0:06 Speaker 2: Oh, I love loving it here. It's so beautiful in

0:08 Speaker 2: the area. And I have to say I really love

0:11 Speaker 2: the tagline unleashed for your show.

0:13 Speaker 3: That's pretty awesome. It's got a big, good story behind that.

0:16 Speaker 1: Well, yeah, I don't, oh, you know what it was?

0:18 Speaker 1: So when back when I started, because I started it

0:20 Speaker 1: as a podcast in twenty eleven and then in twenty seventeen,

0:24 Speaker 1: I had the opportunity to bring the show here to

0:27 Speaker 1: WM and h been here ever since. But originally it

0:29 Speaker 1: was just I called it unleashed because I was used

0:32 Speaker 1: to being a co host on other people's shows and

0:34 Speaker 1: now is starting my own show. So it's gonna be

0:36 Speaker 1: where I'm just gonna do, you know whatever, say whatever

0:39 Speaker 1: opinions I have, et cetera, and people can like it

0:42 Speaker 1: or lump it. You know, I'm gonna be truly unleashed.

0:45 Speaker 3: I love that unleashed.

0:47 Speaker 2: Yeah, that's I feel like sometimes I'm in the same boat.

0:52 Speaker 2: I'm all about the positive vibes. Yes, those singer songwriters

0:55 Speaker 2: are a little more moody than I am. Yeah, so

0:57 Speaker 2: I have to control how much I'm leashed all my

1:01 Speaker 2: positive energy?

1:02 Speaker 1: You know, right right, you're currently on uh you're on

1:06 Speaker 1: a How how long is your tour? You've you're going

1:08 Speaker 1: all over the place for I.

1:09 Speaker 3: Has sixty five days of awesomeness.

1:12 Speaker 1: Okay.

1:12 Speaker 2: The Good Vibes Highway Tour headed east out of Houston, Texas,

1:17 Speaker 2: down the Gulf Coast and then up the Eastern Seaboard

1:20 Speaker 2: up into Canada and then back down through the Central

1:23 Speaker 2: US to to Texas.

1:25 Speaker 1: Okay, Wow, where do you live?

1:27 Speaker 3: Based in Houston Town?

1:28 Speaker 1: Based in Houston? Okay? Yeah? Is this your first big

1:31 Speaker 1: tour like going as far as you are?

1:34 Speaker 3: My second?

1:34 Speaker 2: So spring of this year I did a West Coast tour,

1:39 Speaker 2: first time going out that direction as well, and uh

1:42 Speaker 2: kind of learned the whole tour culture and how to

1:46 Speaker 2: be on an extended tour. And this is the second

1:50 Speaker 2: one that I'm doing here in the fall, and I

1:54 Speaker 2: loving loving being out on the road, loving sharing the

1:56 Speaker 2: energy with everyone that I meet. It's it's an amazing

1:58 Speaker 2: way to see the United States.

2:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. We're glad you're here. Well,

2:02 Speaker 1: so you've got your guitar and you're gonna play in

2:04 Speaker 1: a couple minutes, but I think we're gonna play this.

2:06 Speaker 1: This is the new single, right, Man in the Sky.

2:08 Speaker 3: Man in the Sky.

2:09 Speaker 2: Yes, it's about one of my daily rituals. I wake

2:13 Speaker 2: up in the morning with a cuff of coffee. I

2:16 Speaker 2: love to watch the sunrise. I love to be out

2:18 Speaker 2: camping and nature. It helps me set my mind right

2:22 Speaker 2: for the day before I turn my TV on, or

2:25 Speaker 2: before I watch my phone or anything else. And I

2:28 Speaker 2: get a certain pep I pick me up in my

2:31 Speaker 2: step if I start my day that way. And the

2:34 Speaker 2: track and the vibes and the lyrics are all about

2:37 Speaker 2: just enjoying that fresh moment, you.

2:39 Speaker 1: Know, yeah, outstanding all right, So let's play this. This

2:43 Speaker 1: is called Man in the Sky, and this is Mark Winters.

2:56 Speaker 4: This morning with the sky is my guy.

3:00 Speaker 2: It's that still biding in my mind somewhere in the

3:04 Speaker 2: clouds call them mea look up, looking look out the

3:13 Speaker 2: journeys all around, even.

3:20 Speaker 4: When the clouds are passing.

3:22 Speaker 5: Bottle talking to the plan of below sky.

3:40 Speaker 2: In the meadow, green sol bast answerines were daisy bloom

3:45 Speaker 2: and the air so clean, Standing on around, getting ready

3:53 Speaker 2: take a wall, look up, looking look out the journey's

3:59 Speaker 2: all rounds.

4:05 Speaker 4: Even when the.

4:05 Speaker 6: Clowns are passing bays, talking to the plan up in

4:14 Speaker 6: the sky, talking to the man up in the sky,

4:22 Speaker 6: feeling like song.

4:24 Speaker 7: The old Crown.

4:42 Speaker 5: Oh, even when the clouds are passing byways, talking to

4:54 Speaker 5: the man up in the sky, talking to the.

4:59 Speaker 1: Man that is man in the sky, and that is

5:21 Speaker 1: Mark Winters. And we have Mark Winters here with us

5:24 Speaker 1: alive in studio on this Saturday. Great track, very very catchy.

5:28 Speaker 1: I love all the music you sent us. And we

5:30 Speaker 1: have another song too that we're gonna play at the

5:32 Speaker 1: end of our segment today, another great studio track. But

5:33 Speaker 1: before we go any further too, for those who are

5:36 Speaker 1: watching online on your platform of choice, whether it be

5:40 Speaker 1: Facebook or YouTube or even we even stream on LinkedIn.

5:44 Speaker 1: But I want to show off for the camera this

5:48 Speaker 1: this rubber bracelet or what's the term's wristband? Thank you.

5:52 Speaker 1: I was blanking on the name, So tell us about

5:55 Speaker 1: this so that it says think like a proton always positive,

5:59 Speaker 1: which I And it's got your it's got your name

6:02 Speaker 1: on it, of course, Mark, good good branding. But but

6:04 Speaker 1: but yeah, tell us about that.

6:06 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm you know, I'm uh my undergraduate degrees in

6:09 Speaker 2: aerospace engineering. I took a left turn at Albuquerque and

6:14 Speaker 2: became an artist instead, but I did practice for a

6:17 Speaker 2: little bit, and my brain has always lived in both

6:21 Speaker 2: the world of poetry and science. And so when I

6:26 Speaker 2: think about, uh, you know the world a lot of times,

6:30 Speaker 2: I think, you know through those both of those lenses,

6:32 Speaker 2: And and when I rolled out, the glass was always

6:36 Speaker 2: like half full. For me, I always see the world

6:38 Speaker 2: in a positive way. When I meet people, I look

6:42 Speaker 2: for the good in them. When I sit in a

6:44 Speaker 2: songwriting circle, I look for the best of everyone to

6:46 Speaker 2: try and combine it together. I've always had that sort

6:49 Speaker 2: of positive view of the world, and it's hard for

6:53 Speaker 2: me not to put it in my lyrics. And so

6:56 Speaker 2: when I show up to play a show somewhere, my

6:59 Speaker 2: goal is to create more positive energy for everyone who's

7:03 Speaker 2: attending a show for me. And if I've done that,

7:05 Speaker 2: then I've had a great day. Yeah, and uh, I

7:08 Speaker 2: feel like I've contributed to the universe. Uh. And my

7:11 Speaker 2: grandma would be proud of me for making the world

7:13 Speaker 2: a little writer.

7:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's outstanding. Can you tell us you a little

7:17 Speaker 1: bit more about your background? And by the way, so

7:19 Speaker 1: I am someone who you know, Jenny was talking earlier

7:22 Speaker 1: about how she's not good at things like math and science.

7:24 Speaker 1: I'm the same way. Although Jenny's better at math than

7:27 Speaker 1: she realizes because she does that amazing macrima. And I

7:29 Speaker 1: always say, what's that? It is math? It is math,

7:33 Speaker 1: it's me. It's geometry, Am I reometry?

7:36 Speaker 3: It's applied physics?

7:37 Speaker 1: Yes it is? Yes? See correct? So there you go,

7:41 Speaker 1: there you go.

7:41 Speaker 3: An expert is master Jenny?

7:43 Speaker 1: Yes? So so she's and she's incredible at doing that.

7:47 Speaker 1: But like I can't, you know, I was always math

7:49 Speaker 1: and science were always very hard for me in school.

7:52 Speaker 2: You know.

7:52 Speaker 1: I excelled more with with reading, comprehension and writing and

7:55 Speaker 1: things like that, and history I was good at. But

7:57 Speaker 1: math and science I was always terrible at. But what

8:00 Speaker 1: what is it that? So obviously you're you know, really

8:03 Speaker 1: good at those things, But what is it that that

8:06 Speaker 1: brought you into into music? And because you're you're doing

8:09 Speaker 1: this as your full time career now.

8:10 Speaker 2: Right, it's my it's my thing. Yeah, it's my vibe.

8:13 Speaker 4: Yeah.

8:14 Speaker 2: So in twenty eleven, I wanted to do something musical

8:17 Speaker 2: and never had done anything artistically. My grandmother when I

8:21 Speaker 2: was five, had taught me to write poetry. Okay, So

8:25 Speaker 2: my whole life I've been writing poetry, which is amazing.

8:29 Speaker 2: I think that created the sort of juxtaposition in my

8:33 Speaker 2: brain of all these thoughts because I started with her.

8:35 Speaker 2: My my inclination was math and science, and so in

8:40 Speaker 2: twenty eleven, I put it on the list I'm going

8:41 Speaker 2: to do it. I bought a guitar from a local

8:43 Speaker 2: guitar shop and on the on the sly I learned

8:48 Speaker 2: to play a song for my wife for anniversary.

8:50 Speaker 1: Okay, and I thought, oh.

8:51 Speaker 2: Three months, there's plenty of time to do. Go from

8:54 Speaker 2: nothing like no musical experience to performing a song for

8:59 Speaker 2: my wife.

8:59 Speaker 3: Yeah, which was.

9:00 Speaker 2: Quite a bit to bite off, I find out later.

9:03 Speaker 2: But the guitar shop guy was really cool. And I

9:07 Speaker 2: used to get my daughter to sit in the fourier

9:09 Speaker 2: with me and practice UH while my wife was out

9:13 Speaker 2: working UH to get ready for the for the performance.

9:16 Speaker 2: And then we went out to dinner at our favorite

9:19 Speaker 2: place for anniversary, and I said, I forgot something in

9:21 Speaker 2: the car and I went back and got my guitar

9:23 Speaker 2: and she's like, what.

9:24 Speaker 4: Are you doing?

9:25 Speaker 3: So she had no idea, had no idea guitar. I

9:27 Speaker 3: had nothing.

9:28 Speaker 2: It was all all you know, right on the spot. Yeah,

9:32 Speaker 2: a nice little intimate place. Everybody, the whole crowd that

9:35 Speaker 2: was there, pulled their chairs around, made a little audience.

9:38 Speaker 2: And I had a giant anniversary card because I couldn't

9:40 Speaker 2: remember the lyrics and the chords all at the same time.

9:44 Speaker 2: And my daughter had helped me be dazzle it. And so,

9:46 Speaker 2: you know, a long winded way to say when I

9:48 Speaker 2: when I performed that song for her, it was so amazing,

9:53 Speaker 2: so emotional, the connection. I want to write poems for

9:57 Speaker 2: someone it's personal, and I read it to him, it's

10:00 Speaker 2: more personal. When I sang it was like, this is

10:03 Speaker 2: what I meant to do. And so from that moment forward,

10:07 Speaker 2: I became obsessed. My wife would say, was teaching myself music.

10:11 Speaker 2: So I bought a bunch of online music courses online,

10:13 Speaker 2: taught myself to write music and read music and compose.

10:20 Speaker 2: And along the way, I put a cover band together

10:22 Speaker 2: and I found, I guess I didn't write at first

10:26 Speaker 2: the cover band. I just wanted to play some shows

10:27 Speaker 2: with them. And I found as I was singing, singing

10:30 Speaker 2: other people's words, they wouldn't say what I wanted to say.

10:35 Speaker 2: I started changing the lyricsd and my wife was like,

10:38 Speaker 2: you can't change the lyrics.

10:40 Speaker 3: I'm like, well, that's what I want to say.

10:42 Speaker 2: That led me to writing my own stuff in twenty

10:44 Speaker 2: eighteen and put my first album out in twenty nineteen,

10:50 Speaker 2: started touring behind that, and of course COVID, like everyone else,

10:54 Speaker 2: kind of interrupted that whole experience. And so when COVID

10:58 Speaker 2: was happening, I went online because I wrote a four

11:02 Speaker 2: piece rock band format for my first album, Soft Rock.

11:05 Speaker 1: Yeah.

11:06 Speaker 2: And when I went online and started doing charity fundraisers,

11:11 Speaker 2: zoom ticketed charity fundraisers to learn how to be a

11:14 Speaker 2: singer songwriter proper, yeah, and rearranged all my music and

11:17 Speaker 2: started writing in that lane. And and I haven't looked back.

11:20 Speaker 2: It's been amazing. I just love the journey that I'm

11:24 Speaker 2: on and the people I get to meet.

11:25 Speaker 1: You know, it's music theory must have been pretty easy

11:27 Speaker 1: for you, right, you know it was.

11:29 Speaker 2: It's very mathematical, That's what I'm thinking. Yeah, Yeah, there's

11:32 Speaker 2: a very mathematical element the part, believe it or not,

11:35 Speaker 2: the instrumental part was fairly I'm pretty dexterous, and so

11:41 Speaker 2: I play sports and whatever else. And so between the

11:43 Speaker 2: math and and the hand eye coordination, the instrument part

11:48 Speaker 2: was was much easier. Yeah, the vocal part I had

11:52 Speaker 2: no reference and so I didn't even sing in choir, right,

11:57 Speaker 2: I really yeah, right, And so just to learn to

12:00 Speaker 2: control your voice is such a whole other experience. Yeah,

12:05 Speaker 2: and that was the hardest journey.

12:06 Speaker 3: And I started.

12:07 Speaker 2: I got a vocal coach in Houston, and that that

12:10 Speaker 2: helped me a ton. Ok, it's really much easier to

12:14 Speaker 2: learn from someone else.

12:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you vocals, Yeah, vocals, You know, your voice.

12:18 Speaker 1: That's the one instrument where some people, for whatever reason,

12:22 Speaker 1: they just they just can do it without even you know,

12:26 Speaker 1: I've met so many people who just it's like, oh,

12:28 Speaker 1: did you take lessons? And they say no, they just

12:30 Speaker 1: they're just able to do it, you know what I mean.

12:32 Speaker 1: It's it's I've always been been very jealous. I'm a

12:34 Speaker 1: bass player and I can I can sing like I'm

12:36 Speaker 1: not a bad harmony singer. I can kind of find

12:38 Speaker 1: the octave and lock in. But on my own I

12:40 Speaker 1: get lost. And I went through three different vocal coaches

12:43 Speaker 1: and nobody, nobody could get me to where I wanted

12:45 Speaker 1: to be. With it.

12:46 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's a it's a it's its own journey. And

12:48 Speaker 2: I found, uh, you know, you got to put your

12:50 Speaker 2: ten thousand steps in and so you know, if you

12:53 Speaker 2: didn't grow up singing in church and choir and whatever,

12:57 Speaker 2: then you got to you got to put that time in.

13:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, exactly.

13:00 Speaker 2: And so as I've become, you know, more experienced as

13:04 Speaker 2: a vocalist, it's much more intuitive now for me. I

13:09 Speaker 2: sing in a trio back home, and I seen harmonies

13:11 Speaker 2: and so you know, and the lady asking with is

13:14 Speaker 2: very well trained and very precise, and so all the

13:17 Speaker 2: people around you start pushing you to develop your skill.

13:20 Speaker 2: And I'd say, now it's it's a lot more intuitive

13:23 Speaker 2: when I pick up a song, to pick up a guitar,

13:26 Speaker 2: to write a song, it's very easy for me to

13:28 Speaker 2: sort of craft a melody now on the fly, where

13:30 Speaker 2: you know, two years ago it was much more difficult.

13:33 Speaker 3: It's becoming intuitive.

13:34 Speaker 1: Yeah that's excellent. Yeah, that's great. Well, I'm dying to

13:37 Speaker 1: hear you play live. You want to play something live,

13:39 Speaker 1: Let's let's do it.

13:40 Speaker 2: Let's talk about one of those science meets philosophy juxtapositions.

13:45 Speaker 2: I'm gonna break through some boundaries with you, guys, with

13:49 Speaker 2: a song called boundary Layer. Computational fluid dynamics has boundary

13:55 Speaker 2: layer theory in it and particle theory. Particles approaching an

13:59 Speaker 2: object in a fluid slow down when they get near

14:02 Speaker 2: the object, and then they accelerate in a new direction.

14:05 Speaker 2: Kind of like the philosophy of breaking through a boundary

14:08 Speaker 2: in your own life. So let's rock and roll with

14:11 Speaker 2: some boundary layer, all.

14:12 Speaker 1: Right, Mark Winter is live in studio.

14:28 Speaker 2: Supersonic speed, I can see what I need.

14:34 Speaker 4: I'm soaring faster than higher, breaking through. I believe in me.

14:41 Speaker 2: We find our limits when we're young, slowing down before

14:46 Speaker 2: we've be gone. They tell me I'm too small to

14:50 Speaker 2: play and that I don't look like them at all.

14:55 Speaker 2: Or can I find the strength in me to break

14:58 Speaker 2: my boundaries?

14:59 Speaker 4: In me?

15:00 Speaker 2: Eat me see pushing that supersonic speed, I can see

15:05 Speaker 2: what I need.

15:08 Speaker 4: I'm soaring faster.

15:09 Speaker 7: And ie.

15:11 Speaker 4: Breaking through. I believe in me.

15:13 Speaker 2: Here we go now, get a job and find a life.

15:31 Speaker 2: Listen to everyone's advice. They tell me I'm too old

15:36 Speaker 2: change and that I need.

15:38 Speaker 4: To rearrange my mind.

15:41 Speaker 2: Where can I find the strength in me to preck

15:44 Speaker 2: my boundaries and make me see.

15:47 Speaker 4: Pushing at the supersonic speed, I can see what I need.

15:54 Speaker 4: I'm soaring faster inne breaking through. I believe in me.

16:00 Speaker 2: Go bring some love along the way, keep my humble

16:15 Speaker 2: minded play bound to lay us are just to test

16:18 Speaker 2: to give the strength to be my best. Bring my

16:21 Speaker 2: circle up with me, feel the love and loyalty. Boundary

16:25 Speaker 2: lay us are just to test to give the strength

16:27 Speaker 2: to be my best.

16:31 Speaker 4: Push You're not the supersonic speed. I can see what

16:35 Speaker 4: I need. I'm soaring faster and I breaking through. I

16:42 Speaker 4: belief in me. But you're not the supersonic speed. I

16:48 Speaker 4: can see what I need. I'm soaring faster and eye

16:54 Speaker 4: breaking through.

16:55 Speaker 1: I believe in Very nice, very nice. If you're just

17:04 Speaker 1: joining us, we have Mark Winter is here with us,

17:06 Speaker 1: alive in studio. He's on a tour and he is

17:09 Speaker 1: in the area. And that's what is that song.

17:12 Speaker 3: Called again, It's called boundary Layer.

17:14 Speaker 1: Boundary Layer. Very good. So now where are you in

17:18 Speaker 1: your tour in terms of like what did you play

17:20 Speaker 1: last night?

17:21 Speaker 3: Somewhere I did?

17:22 Speaker 2: I did played down in Pennsylvania last night, and then

17:29 Speaker 2: the night before I was in New York. So I'm

17:32 Speaker 2: in week number four four, Yeah, week number four of

17:37 Speaker 2: a sixty five day tour, having a great time, like

17:41 Speaker 2: a little inch worm about you know, three hundred miles

17:45 Speaker 2: a day. I drive and then I dropped my trailer

17:47 Speaker 2: International Park or State Forest, and you know, play a

17:51 Speaker 2: show and come back and get up in the morning

17:53 Speaker 2: and do the thing again. You know, it's it's amazing.

17:55 Speaker 1: And then where do you go after here?

17:56 Speaker 2: Where's your Yeah, I'm headed to Maynard. I'm playing in

17:59 Speaker 2: a festive this afternoon.

18:01 Speaker 1: Excellent.

18:02 Speaker 2: And then from there I go to Maine for a

18:05 Speaker 2: two day break to visit my dad.

18:07 Speaker 3: Uh he lives in o Gunquit, Okay.

18:10 Speaker 2: Uh so I'm gonna hang out, walk the margin away

18:13 Speaker 2: and then uh, you know, recharge a little bit, and

18:16 Speaker 2: then I'm up off into Canada.

18:19 Speaker 1: Oh nice, How many dates you have up there?

18:21 Speaker 2: I have five five shows in Canada?

18:24 Speaker 1: Outstanding. Wow, that's great. That's great. So what's been like,

18:30 Speaker 1: Has anything been a surprise to you doing that? Because

18:32 Speaker 1: you said, this is the first tour that you've done

18:33 Speaker 1: of this size, right, this many dates?

18:35 Speaker 2: Yeah, so spring I did the same number of days, okay,

18:38 Speaker 2: and so it kind of learned a little bit of

18:40 Speaker 2: the tour culture, you know, I think, uh, for for me, uh,

18:44 Speaker 2: it's been so amazing to get out of the echo

18:48 Speaker 2: chamber of Houston. Yeah, you're you kind of you get

18:51 Speaker 2: stuck in a situation and an environment, and your brain,

18:55 Speaker 2: I think stops growing and thinking.

18:59 Speaker 7: Uh.

19:00 Speaker 2: And so I think getting out on the West Coast

19:02 Speaker 2: was amazing for me. And you don't really know how

19:06 Speaker 2: your music is landing with people. I mean all the

19:10 Speaker 2: streaming and TikTok and YouTube and you know, the interaction

19:14 Speaker 2: you get, you know, is not as rich. And what

19:18 Speaker 2: I found when I was on the West Coast was,

19:21 Speaker 2: first of all, there's a lot of people who are

19:23 Speaker 2: science nerds, closet closet science nerds who really are viving

19:26 Speaker 2: with my music, which is really cool, excellent. And then

19:29 Speaker 2: I found this the whole positive energy element. There were

19:33 Speaker 2: so many people who came out to see a show

19:37 Speaker 2: for the positive energy experience, and they heard me on

19:41 Speaker 2: the radio like on your show, they came out to

19:43 Speaker 2: a show for me. I remember the first time that

19:46 Speaker 2: happened to me was in New Mexico.

19:48 Speaker 3: I was in Ridoso.

19:49 Speaker 2: It was a beautiful city, and a couple drove three

19:53 Speaker 2: hours they heard me on the radio.

19:55 Speaker 3: They drove three hours. They're like, we got a lot

19:57 Speaker 3: of bad.

19:57 Speaker 2: Stuff going on in our life right now, and we

19:59 Speaker 2: want an evening of positive energy.

20:03 Speaker 3: And I was so touched.

20:06 Speaker 2: Three or four of the couples heard me on the

20:08 Speaker 2: same radio station and came out for that same experience.

20:11 Speaker 2: And it was ten days into my tour on the

20:14 Speaker 2: West Coast, and it told me I'm in the right

20:17 Speaker 2: place and doing what i need to be doing right

20:20 Speaker 2: in this world. And I've still got goosebumps because i

20:24 Speaker 2: had so many experiences like that along my West Coast tour.

20:27 Speaker 2: I was just on fire the whole time. Yeah, my

20:31 Speaker 2: wife asked me. She's like, she comes out a week

20:32 Speaker 2: out of each month that tour, and she says, you know,

20:37 Speaker 2: this is.

20:38 Speaker 1: A lot, a lot.

20:39 Speaker 3: You're up every day early.

20:41 Speaker 2: You got a lot of stuff going on, you got

20:43 Speaker 2: all this stuff in email everything else.

20:45 Speaker 3: It's a lot, she said, How do you do it?

20:47 Speaker 4: I'm like, I'm.

20:49 Speaker 2: So so fulfilled by the people I meet and the

20:53 Speaker 2: experiences I'm having and the fact that my music is

20:56 Speaker 2: really making a difference in the world. Yes, you know

20:59 Speaker 2: it's no effort, Yeah, you know, it's worth it. It's

21:02 Speaker 2: worth every effort, you.

21:02 Speaker 1: Know, Yeah, absolutely absolutely. Is there anything that's really kind

21:07 Speaker 1: of surprised you or challenges that maybe you didn't expect

21:09 Speaker 1: that you've run into, you know, because it's not easy

21:12 Speaker 1: what you're doing. It's like your wife said, it is

21:14 Speaker 1: a lot, and it's it's fulfilling. So it's a lot

21:17 Speaker 1: in a good way, right, in a positive way. But

21:19 Speaker 1: it is a lot.

21:20 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, for sure. So I had never pulled the

21:23 Speaker 2: trailer before. Yeah, And so there was the I rented

21:27 Speaker 2: a few and tried it out and kind of got

21:29 Speaker 2: my the sizing and everything the way I wanted to

21:31 Speaker 2: do in whatever. But I had never been out in

21:33 Speaker 2: the snow and mountains and whatever. So there was a

21:37 Speaker 2: whole lot to learn about being cold in Canada or

21:42 Speaker 2: in the Northern United States in the mountains that I

21:45 Speaker 2: didn't know how to. I didn't even bring warm clothes

21:48 Speaker 2: with me on the tour. Whop at Walmart and buy

21:51 Speaker 2: some sweatshirts and whatever. And then as a musician, you

21:57 Speaker 2: don't really know your music until you've been in so

22:02 Speaker 2: many rooms where the sound is just off. They've got

22:07 Speaker 2: the EQ on the monitor. Weird, you got all these

22:10 Speaker 2: all these weird things happen. You can't hear yourself, You

22:12 Speaker 2: can't hear anything. I remember I played a rock venue

22:16 Speaker 2: They're trying to develop a songwriter night, and they had

22:20 Speaker 2: the vocals compressed so much. There was no dynamics, and

22:25 Speaker 2: they had the frequencies super tight. You couldn't hear your

22:28 Speaker 2: overtones or anything. There was like nothing. And so I

22:32 Speaker 2: found I was very challenged to hear myself, right, and

22:36 Speaker 2: you and you really have to learn. You're in a

22:39 Speaker 2: big crowd, it's super noisy. How do you continue to

22:43 Speaker 2: hear yourself properly as a musician?

22:44 Speaker 1: Yep?

22:45 Speaker 2: Right?

22:46 Speaker 3: That was That was a heart lesson.

22:48 Speaker 2: It took me about maybe four weeks into my West

22:50 Speaker 2: Coast two before I had played enough rooms that I'd

22:54 Speaker 2: learned the thing. Yeah, and then something I'm still learning, how.

23:01 Speaker 3: Do you read a room?

23:03 Speaker 2: So a friend of mine is a brilliant songwriter from

23:06 Speaker 2: the Houston area, Ken Gaines. When I first started off

23:11 Speaker 2: as as a songwriter, I asked if I could just

23:13 Speaker 2: follow him around for a few of his shows, very

23:15 Speaker 2: regionally successful, and just watch what he does. And he

23:19 Speaker 2: took me under his wing for three shows and he

23:22 Speaker 2: told me his set list, in advance, and he said,

23:24 Speaker 2: but I'm going to change it, and I'm going to

23:25 Speaker 2: change the intro and the outro and the story based

23:30 Speaker 2: on the room.

23:31 Speaker 3: How do you do that?

23:34 Speaker 2: And so he's playing the show and then he would

23:37 Speaker 2: stop in the show and he said, Mark, this is

23:39 Speaker 2: for you, and he would make a change. He wouldn't

23:42 Speaker 2: tell anybody else what he was doing for you, And

23:43 Speaker 2: I knew what he was doing, right, And I'm like, okay,

23:46 Speaker 2: I got to know my music that well right to

23:50 Speaker 2: be professional, you know, to be accomplished. And so I'm

23:54 Speaker 2: still learning how to do that, you know. I think

23:57 Speaker 2: it's just a journey, you know that I'll probably be

23:59 Speaker 2: on ever, just learning how to read a room and

24:01 Speaker 2: land the story and music in a way that's gonna

24:04 Speaker 2: that's going to serve the room and the song the best.

24:07 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, no, that's that makes sense, and that yeah,

24:12 Speaker 1: that is something you kind of that's not something anyone

24:15 Speaker 1: can It's not something you can read in a book.

24:17 Speaker 1: How to do that? You know. It's the only way you.

24:19 Speaker 3: Could, man, I wish you could in a book.

24:21 Speaker 1: Yeah, the only way. Yeah, really, the only way you

24:23 Speaker 1: can learn is by by doing. And uh, it can

24:26 Speaker 1: be tricky.

24:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, I wish it was a journeyman process. You know,

24:29 Speaker 2: that would be great if I could like just tack

24:31 Speaker 2: on to a touring guy who's you know, a gray beard,

24:35 Speaker 2: who could show me around, yeah, and teach me some

24:38 Speaker 2: of those things. But that's just not a part of

24:40 Speaker 2: a music program that I'm aware of anyway, you know.

24:43 Speaker 1: I think that aspect is especially challenging when you're you know,

24:47 Speaker 1: a solo act, right, just you and a guitar, because

24:49 Speaker 1: if you're in a band, like if you're in a band,

24:51 Speaker 1: there's a certain comfort to that and a safety in that,

24:53 Speaker 1: you know, safety in numbers. You know, no matter what

24:55 Speaker 1: the room is, you're up there with three other guys

24:58 Speaker 1: or four other guys or whatever the configuration is, right,

25:01 Speaker 1: But when it's just you, you're vulnerable, right, it's just you

25:04 Speaker 1: with the guitar, and you've got to figure out how

25:07 Speaker 1: to read that room. When you're in a band, you

25:08 Speaker 1: kind of don't care. It's like we do what we do, right,

25:10 Speaker 1: But when it's just you, there's that added pressure of

25:13 Speaker 1: you really got to sell this.

25:15 Speaker 3: Yeah for sure.

25:16 Speaker 2: And another thing I had to learn, like I love

25:19 Speaker 2: I'm all about positive energy, and I can share a

25:21 Speaker 2: million stories, touching stories, but I have a few songs

25:25 Speaker 2: that are very personal, and I'm not used to like

25:32 Speaker 2: being super vulnerable when I'm performing. And and so another

25:38 Speaker 2: thing that I've had to learn, you know, is stories

25:40 Speaker 2: are meant to be shared. I have a song my grandmother,

25:43 Speaker 2: my my poetry pal who's no longer with me, but

25:47 Speaker 2: super influential in my life. I wrote a song because

25:50 Speaker 2: I continue to hear her voice talking to me and

25:53 Speaker 2: encouraging me. And it's it's original, real, it's her telling

25:59 Speaker 2: me things. I'm sure where she's coming from. But you know,

26:03 Speaker 2: I get so emotional when I sing that song and

26:06 Speaker 2: I tell the story, and it touches so many people

26:10 Speaker 2: in the crowd when I do that, and they come

26:12 Speaker 2: up afterwards and tell me, Hey, that that song your voice.

26:15 Speaker 2: I can hear someone from my life, Wow, that's no

26:18 Speaker 2: longer with me. And so learning how to be vulnerable

26:21 Speaker 2: is something I'm learning still. I have some more personal songs.

26:27 Speaker 2: I'm scared to play them live. They're going to come

26:28 Speaker 2: out on an album that's that's coming up next year,

26:31 Speaker 2: but I'm scared to play them live because they're sort

26:34 Speaker 2: of raw emotions. Yea and yeah, I got to learn.

26:40 Speaker 2: I've got to learn to do that.

26:41 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well do you want to play another live

26:43 Speaker 1: one for us?

26:44 Speaker 3: I will, I will do that. So this song is a.

26:49 Speaker 4: It's a song called signal.

26:51 Speaker 2: It's all about being aware of the energy that you're

26:56 Speaker 2: putting out in the world and the energy that you're

26:58 Speaker 2: taking in from other people.

27:00 Speaker 3: Like we're all little radio station.

27:03 Speaker 2: You know. And I like to think about my channel

27:07 Speaker 2: being sort of the positive energy channel. And have friends

27:10 Speaker 2: who live on both ends of the spectrum, which helped

27:13 Speaker 2: me write the song right, Because no matter how good

27:17 Speaker 2: or bad you are, other people's signals affect you and

27:22 Speaker 2: your perspective on life for that day and in that moment.

27:25 Speaker 3: Single. This is called signal.

27:49 Speaker 2: Waves washing out from me, sending around my energy, sometimes

27:57 Speaker 2: bright and shimmering, sometimes dark and stifling, crashing into the

28:05 Speaker 2: walls and floors, sleeping in.

28:08 Speaker 4: The minds and more.

28:11 Speaker 2: Should I keep spewing random feelings, Nope, I should focus

28:16 Speaker 2: my mind on't heeling I'm taking it in and putting

28:24 Speaker 2: it out. I should cear up any lingering time some God,

28:33 Speaker 2: dial in my signal and make it a dream.

28:40 Speaker 4: Make it my positive screen. Dial in my signal hey.

28:51 Speaker 2: Make it a dream, make it my positive screen. Changing

29:09 Speaker 2: my mind to create a layer intensity is fine if

29:13 Speaker 2: your heart is there radiating the thoughts you want the most.

29:19 Speaker 2: It's a powerful, purposeful piece of Crouse reading the vibes

29:24 Speaker 2: back from with him. I can tell the quote I'm

29:27 Speaker 2: pulling out, you get back in, not accidentious, in the nagative,

29:33 Speaker 2: bringing out the best and share that narty.

29:41 Speaker 4: I'm taking it in, putting it out. I should clear

29:45 Speaker 4: up any lingering die.

29:51 Speaker 2: So I'm going up nyl in my signal and making

29:56 Speaker 2: it a dream. Make it my positive screen. Dial in

30:07 Speaker 2: my signal and make it a dream. Make it my

30:14 Speaker 2: positive screen. Do you feel the vibes from those around you?

30:23 Speaker 2: Are you catching the meaning in your mind? Is it

30:27 Speaker 2: helping you live and smile?

30:30 Speaker 4: Or do you need to turn that dial.

30:47 Speaker 2: I'm gonna dial in my signal and make it a dream.

30:55 Speaker 4: Make it my positive screen. Dial in that signal and.

31:05 Speaker 8: Taking a dream, make it my positive stream.

31:34 Speaker 1: Outstanding. Mark Winters is here with us live in studio.

31:37 Speaker 1: If you are just joining us, it is Matt Connorton

31:40 Speaker 1: Unleashed and if you are listening live of course, today

31:43 Speaker 1: is Saturday, October fourth, twenty twenty five as we are

31:47 Speaker 1: in our first hour and starting out with some great

31:50 Speaker 1: positivity from Mark Winters. So excellent, excellent. So when you

31:55 Speaker 1: when you do this, when you play live, do you

31:57 Speaker 1: ever have anyone join you? Or is it always? Is

31:59 Speaker 1: it always you? Or because yeah, because you mentioned back

32:02 Speaker 1: in Houston, there's someone you perform with, right.

32:03 Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, so I have.

32:06 Speaker 2: I've been on an amazing musical journey and I've I've

32:09 Speaker 2: met so many amazing people in the production of my

32:13 Speaker 2: albums and such. And I met a really good friend

32:17 Speaker 2: of mine now, mister Michael Shanks, about a year and

32:20 Speaker 2: a half ago, and he was just coming back in

32:23 Speaker 2: from Spain.

32:24 Speaker 4: He was in.

32:26 Speaker 2: There studying at Berkeley. He's an amazing guitar player and

32:30 Speaker 2: just an amazing human being. He and I were talking

32:34 Speaker 2: with a producer that was working on a song for me,

32:37 Speaker 2: and so he and I started playing when he was there.

32:40 Speaker 2: I just loved his energy and I said, hey, you know,

32:42 Speaker 2: when you're actually back in town, you want to hang

32:43 Speaker 2: out together, maybe play a few songs. Next thing, you know,

32:47 Speaker 2: we struck up a great friendship. I started inviting him

32:50 Speaker 2: out to play at shows with me. We have this

32:53 Speaker 2: you know, I'm competent on the guitar. I played lead guitar,

32:58 Speaker 2: but you know, I'm just sort of competent. He's phenomenal, okay,

33:03 Speaker 2: And the fact that he can do it on an

33:05 Speaker 2: acoustic guitar was what I was looking for. Creates great energy,

33:09 Speaker 2: and so we started playing together. We play percussion back

33:12 Speaker 2: and forth on the guitars and lead and rhythm and everything.

33:15 Speaker 3: It's really amazing.

33:15 Speaker 2: And then my vocal instructor I was telling you about earlier,

33:20 Speaker 2: you know, he I told him I'm looking for someone

33:22 Speaker 2: to sing harmonies with, and he said, hey, I've got

33:25 Speaker 2: just the lady. She's looking for someone to do the same.

33:28 Speaker 2: She doesn't play out a lot, and so she and

33:31 Speaker 2: I had coffee and then I invited her to sing

33:33 Speaker 2: with me at a show of mine that I had

33:35 Speaker 2: coming up. And if Lady Gaga and Adele had a baby.

33:40 Speaker 3: That's her voice.

33:41 Speaker 2: It's just meso soprano, richness and amazing, and if you

33:47 Speaker 2: tracked her, she's like like perfect when she's tracking her

33:52 Speaker 2: vocals or just like really like right down the middle.

33:56 Speaker 2: And so we started hanging out, playing singing duets to

34:00 Speaker 2: gather and so that became my trio okay, and we're

34:04 Speaker 2: really tight. I love working with those guys. I'm teaching

34:08 Speaker 2: her how to write songs. So we've written four songs

34:11 Speaker 2: together now, wrote the first one just for her. There

34:13 Speaker 2: have been harmonies or duo work for us, and so

34:17 Speaker 2: we play out a lot around town. But she has

34:20 Speaker 2: kids that are in middle school and isn't portable to

34:25 Speaker 2: be out on the road. And she's still developing herself

34:27 Speaker 2: as an artist independent artists new and so I'm hopeful

34:32 Speaker 2: to have her and Michael both out on the road

34:34 Speaker 2: as I get back through the area here, maybe next year.

34:39 Speaker 2: I'm still developing a following that makes it worthwhile for

34:42 Speaker 2: everyone to come out. You know, if you don't sell

34:45 Speaker 2: enough tickets, it doesn't work for people who have families

34:48 Speaker 2: to feed. So so I'm working on developing us as

34:52 Speaker 2: a trio more. And you'll hear her singing harmonies and

34:58 Speaker 2: background vocals on some of the songs in my Acoustic

35:01 Speaker 2: Me album. That's the live sound between the three of us.

35:05 Speaker 2: That's what I capture. That is all three of us

35:08 Speaker 2: performing and that on that Acoustic Me album.

35:11 Speaker 1: Oh cool, very nice, very nice. So how many how

35:14 Speaker 1: many albums have you recorded at this point?

35:16 Speaker 2: So there are three albums that are out yea. The

35:20 Speaker 2: first one is called Slipstream, which is a scientific principle

35:25 Speaker 2: of being like tucked behind someone like a duck. The

35:29 Speaker 2: person up front's working harder than the people behind them, Okay,

35:33 Speaker 2: And I felt like I was sort of drafting off

35:36 Speaker 2: of a lot of amazing musicians who are helping me

35:38 Speaker 2: create that album.

35:39 Speaker 3: Yeah.

35:40 Speaker 2: And so that's the first album I put out kind

35:42 Speaker 2: of a four piece light rock band format. And then

35:46 Speaker 2: I put out Boundary Layer, which was my album on

35:52 Speaker 2: the other side of COVID, still four piece rock.

35:54 Speaker 3: Light rock.

35:56 Speaker 2: And then I started leaning more heavily into the singer

35:59 Speaker 2: songwriter and so I rearranged a lot of my music

36:02 Speaker 2: to be singer songwriter formatted acoustic me album. I was

36:07 Speaker 2: telling you about it, sort of reimagine. It's got a

36:09 Speaker 2: few new songs on it. Yeah. And then I just

36:12 Speaker 2: put out Equal SIMC Squared, which is my latest batch

36:16 Speaker 2: of songs that a friend of mine, John Edward Ross,

36:21 Speaker 2: helped me produce. And I'm working slowly with these two

36:26 Speaker 2: new singles that I've just put out, Fake Gravity and

36:30 Speaker 2: Man in the Sky are part of an album that's

36:33 Speaker 2: going to release next year called the Science in Me,

36:37 Speaker 2: and so that would before into when that album comes out,

36:39 Speaker 2: that'll be the fourth album.

36:40 Speaker 1: Okay, so where do you record?

36:43 Speaker 2: You know, it's a I've I've recorded my very first album.

36:48 Speaker 2: I met a guy. I went looking for a producer.

36:50 Speaker 2: I'm pretty thorough guy. So I interviewed a bunch of

36:53 Speaker 2: producers and told him, look, I'm the new guy. I

36:55 Speaker 2: don't know anything. I'm gonna be annoying to work with

36:57 Speaker 2: because I'm gonna want to be in the middle of

36:59 Speaker 2: everything because I'm learning. Yeah right, yeah, And so I

37:01 Speaker 2: look for a producer who was friendly for that, and

37:04 Speaker 2: Mark Townsend showed that his studio was in Houston, and

37:09 Speaker 2: so he and I were talking. He had a Houston

37:11 Speaker 2: number or whatever. Well, he had just relocated to LA.

37:13 Speaker 3: Six months or earlier. Oh like, okay, well how do

37:17 Speaker 3: we do this?

37:17 Speaker 2: And he's like, well, you know, why don't we just

37:20 Speaker 2: have a he has a bunch of contacts.

37:22 Speaker 3: I said, why don't we?

37:22 Speaker 2: He said, why don't we just meet in Nashville and

37:24 Speaker 2: record your first album the bones of it there, yeah,

37:27 Speaker 2: and then we'll come out to La do the vocals.

37:30 Speaker 2: And so he did pre production in Houston, with me,

37:33 Speaker 2: and then we did the bones in Nashville at the

37:36 Speaker 2: House of Blue studio there and then did the vocals.

37:40 Speaker 3: Out in California.

37:42 Speaker 2: So the first one I did with him, and then

37:44 Speaker 2: I learned a ton he was so he was such

37:46 Speaker 2: a great mentor and he's so musically gifted. He helped

37:49 Speaker 2: me a ton to grow and learn. And then I

37:52 Speaker 2: was looking for someone more local for the second album,

37:55 Speaker 2: and so I worked with Derrek Haymes in Hugh and

38:00 Speaker 2: sugar Land actually uh and did my second album. It

38:03 Speaker 2: was a bit The process for that one was it

38:07 Speaker 2: was much more difficult for me because he's kind of

38:10 Speaker 2: a live sound person and so he wanted me to

38:13 Speaker 2: show up, do the thing live and then okay, you know,

38:18 Speaker 2: he'll clean up some stuff and they're done, which is

38:21 Speaker 2: not how I'm wired. And so I found another guy

38:26 Speaker 2: in town in Houston, Johnnybold Ross, and he and I

38:31 Speaker 2: have been working together, and Michael Shanks, my guitarist, is

38:33 Speaker 2: a producer as well, and so that there there are

38:37 Speaker 2: the two that really are the people who get me

38:41 Speaker 2: the best. And so we're on a journey together and

38:46 Speaker 2: we've written this where we produced this whole next album

38:49 Speaker 2: together that's coming out. And so I like people, you know,

38:53 Speaker 2: I like someone I can sit down and talk to you,

38:55 Speaker 2: like you like, Okay, let's work on this together, right,

38:58 Speaker 2: that sense of collaboration. I'm it's much more difficult to

39:01 Speaker 2: be the sort of remote you know, send me your

39:04 Speaker 2: vocals and send me the guitar part and put it

39:07 Speaker 2: all together remotely.

39:08 Speaker 3: I don't get the energy out of that.

39:10 Speaker 1: Sure, sure, yeah, it's funny. Uh there was a time

39:13 Speaker 1: when when people just generally were kind of turned off

39:15 Speaker 1: to that idea, and then COVID. COVID forced a lot

39:18 Speaker 1: of people to work that way. But then, you know,

39:21 Speaker 1: and a lot of people still a lot of people

39:23 Speaker 1: still work that way. But I would imagine it I

39:26 Speaker 1: understand your perspective and that I would imagine it would

39:29 Speaker 1: be challenging to work that Like obviously, we have the

39:31 Speaker 1: technology to you know, send tracks back and forth with

39:34 Speaker 1: Dropbox or you know, or OneDrive or whatever service you

39:37 Speaker 1: want to use. And it's sometimes some of the guests

39:40 Speaker 1: we have on the show, you know, these bands come

39:42 Speaker 1: in and they've got they've got music that sounds like

39:46 Speaker 1: it was all recorded together. You know, it sounds like

39:48 Speaker 1: a live band in the studio, you know, and then

39:50 Speaker 1: you find out no, they they've used a lot of

39:52 Speaker 1: technology in different studios and sending tracks back and forth

39:55 Speaker 1: and whatnot. But but the way, the way of doing it,

40:01 Speaker 1: the kind of the old school way, which is what

40:03 Speaker 1: you're doing, it sounds easier in a lot of ways

40:06 Speaker 1: because you're you're able to get that energy of directly

40:11 Speaker 1: collaborating with people. Right. Yeah, it sounds. It just sounds.

40:15 Speaker 1: That's how I mean. I'm a musician and I've recorded

40:18 Speaker 1: some stuff, but I've never not not to the extent

40:21 Speaker 1: that you have. And I would rather do it the

40:22 Speaker 1: way you're doing it, I think, than the way that

40:24 Speaker 1: some other people are doing it. If that makes sense.

40:26 Speaker 2: Yeah to me, I think there's Uh, it's kind of

40:28 Speaker 2: like it's like co writing. I started co writing two

40:32 Speaker 2: and a half years ago, never done it before, And

40:35 Speaker 2: there's a certain level of competence that you need to

40:38 Speaker 2: have to co write and to correcte well. And if

40:42 Speaker 2: I show up in the right room, my co writing

40:46 Speaker 2: sessions produce a completed song in three hours. Okay, So

40:51 Speaker 2: all I need is either me instrumentally or someone else

40:56 Speaker 2: on an instrument. Yeah, and you know, two people is

41:00 Speaker 2: if you pair me with a person who's used to

41:03 Speaker 2: writing melody, especially, then I can do everything else, so

41:08 Speaker 2: we can really produce a song really well, and there's

41:10 Speaker 2: an organic element to it. And I'm good. I've written

41:14 Speaker 2: co written with a lot of people and I'm good

41:16 Speaker 2: at it. And I can remotely work on zoom with someone.

41:23 Speaker 2: Because of the transport lag, I can't play a thing

41:28 Speaker 2: with you in the room, right, And so I have

41:30 Speaker 2: the same problem with production. I've done it enough that

41:33 Speaker 2: I can do it. I've done a track. I did

41:35 Speaker 2: a Christmas track with a remote producer. It was all

41:38 Speaker 2: back and forth remote and so I know how to

41:40 Speaker 2: do it, and I do my own vocal track and

41:42 Speaker 2: get home.

41:42 Speaker 3: I have a studio for that.

41:44 Speaker 2: But when you're creating an arrangement and you're listening to something,

41:52 Speaker 2: listening to a mix for the first time and trying

41:53 Speaker 2: to get everything dialed in, it's so difficult because of

41:56 Speaker 2: the lagginess of it.

41:58 Speaker 6: Right.

41:58 Speaker 2: I find it the most difficult when I'm writing, and

42:02 Speaker 2: the second most difficult when I'm in the final production

42:05 Speaker 2: phase and I'm trying to hear like the producers like

42:08 Speaker 2: let me turn the base up or the bass down

42:10 Speaker 2: or this or that way, you're not in the room

42:13 Speaker 2: with them.

42:14 Speaker 3: It's so hard.

42:16 Speaker 2: So my process with John Edward is we can do

42:18 Speaker 2: certain amount of things. We do the arrangement live, me

42:23 Speaker 2: and him and Michael in the room, and we do

42:25 Speaker 2: the thing and we get it the way we want

42:27 Speaker 2: it and the way it's the structure, and so we've

42:29 Speaker 2: got the genesis of the idea is now done and

42:31 Speaker 2: it's down and we've got that, and then.

42:34 Speaker 3: We we do the parts.

42:35 Speaker 2: We can put them all, you know, Frankenstein it together,

42:39 Speaker 2: the parts around that arrangement. And then when we get

42:42 Speaker 2: back to when I put my first set of vocals in, okay,

42:46 Speaker 2: we need to sit down and listen to that live,

42:48 Speaker 2: and then we do the final mix.

42:49 Speaker 3: We need to do the live.

42:50 Speaker 2: So I think there's there's moments in the songs genesis

42:54 Speaker 2: that you really need to be live to give it

42:57 Speaker 2: its best effort. And then after for that you can

43:00 Speaker 2: be you know, sort of remote. That's just my personal experience.

43:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, absolutely, Well you want to play one more

43:07 Speaker 1: live one?

43:08 Speaker 3: Yeah, let's let's let's do it.

43:09 Speaker 2: Okay, So this next tune I'm going to play for

43:13 Speaker 2: you is all about me getting out of a bad mood.

43:18 Speaker 1: Okay, So even when.

43:19 Speaker 2: I'm writing about a bad mood, I have to put

43:21 Speaker 2: a little positive spin on it. I was in a

43:24 Speaker 2: bad mood about it two years ago. And you know,

43:27 Speaker 2: I have a lot of crazy hobbies, you know, surfing

43:30 Speaker 2: and rollerblading and motorcycle racing and whatever, anything that my

43:34 Speaker 2: hair is on fire for. Yeah, and that usually gets

43:37 Speaker 2: me out of any funk i'm in.

43:38 Speaker 3: H Usually just a run does.

43:40 Speaker 2: But I got in a bad mood that I couldn't

43:42 Speaker 2: get out of it, And I said, you know, you're

43:44 Speaker 2: a songwriter. You should write a song about it, at

43:47 Speaker 2: least share the fact that you're in a bad mood,

43:49 Speaker 2: and ultimately ended up helping me get out of the

43:52 Speaker 2: bad mood. It's called seven Deadly moods.

43:55 Speaker 1: All right, Mark Winter is live in studio.

44:13 Speaker 2: I've got these bad moods living in my head, snapping

44:21 Speaker 2: and biting, n putting me on edge. It's like a

44:28 Speaker 2: hydra spitting with seven hairs, sneaking around and trying to spread.

44:36 Speaker 2: Ben said, and this got a hold on me. What's

44:40 Speaker 2: it gonna take to make you leave? My mind's tied

44:44 Speaker 2: up in a punking moods got me on edge?

44:49 Speaker 4: Why do I do? I said, I'm mooding. I need

44:52 Speaker 4: my things around me with dance. So night set up

44:57 Speaker 4: res feet singing a songs. I want to change my tongue.

45:02 Speaker 4: Seven deadly moon's gonna turn to go.

45:11 Speaker 3: Here comes those bad moods creeping back in.

45:14 Speaker 4: It's lonely and quite, just sitting on my cow. No

45:22 Speaker 4: one's around.

45:23 Speaker 2: They help me out, shameful, depressing and mercury thoughts, constricting

45:33 Speaker 2: and squeeze and I'm hit it south anger and sadness,

45:38 Speaker 2: So saiding, what's it.

45:40 Speaker 4: Gonna take to make you leave? My mind's side up

45:45 Speaker 4: in a punker moods? It's coming on it?

45:49 Speaker 7: Wow do I do?

45:50 Speaker 2: I said, I'm moody, handing mppons around me with dance

45:55 Speaker 2: all night, said our world street singing our.

45:59 Speaker 4: Songs, gonna change my tone. Seven deadly moves gonna.

46:04 Speaker 2: Turn to go, I said, turning turn turning to go,

46:26 Speaker 2: Seven deadly moves sitting in my head. H I S

46:31 Speaker 2: S I N G love and light and camarader read

46:37 Speaker 2: If I S S I G.

46:41 Speaker 4: Take those moods and loosen their whole K I S

46:45 Speaker 4: S I G. Seven deadly moods gonna turn to go?

46:51 Speaker 4: I said, turning, turning, turn it to go? That said

46:55 Speaker 4: the mood, and I need muffins around me, would dance on.

46:59 Speaker 4: I set up singing a songs, going to change my tone,

47:06 Speaker 4: seven deadly moves, going to turn to go, I said,

47:09 Speaker 4: turn it, turn to go.

47:19 Speaker 1: Wonderful. Mark Winter is live in studio. Mark, thank you

47:23 Speaker 1: so much. This has been wonderful. Where are you gonna

47:25 Speaker 1: be next? You know we're in Manchester, but we have

47:27 Speaker 1: listeners online all over the place. Where's your next show? Yeah?

47:30 Speaker 2: I'm headed up to Maine to hang out with my

47:32 Speaker 2: dad for a couple of days along the Marginal Way, okay,

47:35 Speaker 2: and then I'm headed into New Brunswick, so that's next

47:40 Speaker 2: on the list. And then I'm looping around from there

47:43 Speaker 2: west and then back south towards Texas.

47:47 Speaker 3: So come catch me.

47:49 Speaker 2: On the Positive Vibe Highway, surfing along with me and

47:53 Speaker 2: my trailer.

47:53 Speaker 1: Outstanding, outstanding, And where should people go online to keep

47:56 Speaker 1: up with everything that you're doing? Where's the best place

47:58 Speaker 1: to go?

47:58 Speaker 2: Yeah, Mark Winter's music dot com is the place to

48:01 Speaker 2: join the Positive Vibe tribe. Hop on that email list

48:06 Speaker 2: and keep track of all the the places I'm visiting

48:09 Speaker 2: and maybe catch a show live and pick up some

48:13 Speaker 2: positive energy in your life, you.

48:14 Speaker 1: Know, outstanding. So to close out this segment, we're gonna

48:19 Speaker 1: play this track Strong. What should we know about this

48:21 Speaker 1: before we play it? Anything you want to tell us

48:23 Speaker 1: about this?

48:24 Speaker 4: Yes, my h.

48:25 Speaker 2: So I'm I'm extremely competitive in athletics. So if we're

48:29 Speaker 2: out running a race together, Matt and I saw the

48:32 Speaker 2: finish line and you're standing next to me running, I'm like, Matt,

48:35 Speaker 2: I'm about to beat you coming across that finish line.

48:38 Speaker 2: And so anything athletics, I'm like that guy, super competitive,

48:44 Speaker 2: but in other parts of my life not so much.

48:47 Speaker 2: And so I wrote a song to remind myself and

48:50 Speaker 2: my children both to be aware that finishing strong can

48:56 Speaker 2: have a big impact in your life. And so the

48:59 Speaker 2: song it's all about finishing the strong.

49:02 Speaker 1: Baby all right, very good. So we're gonna play this,

49:04 Speaker 1: and if you are listening live on Saturday, sick Around

49:07 Speaker 1: coming up in the second hour, we have the Gray

49:09 Speaker 1: Curtain in studio, but we're gonna close out this hour

49:12 Speaker 1: with this. This is Strong by Mark Winters and Mark

49:16 Speaker 1: thank you again.

49:17 Speaker 3: Thanks Matt.

49:43 Speaker 2: We'll baby like this twist stenter times when you're feeling down.

49:50 Speaker 4: And when you want to give her and throw it

49:55 Speaker 4: to the gownd.

49:58 Speaker 2: Ab Baby, Lord only knows it's true. Gave up a

50:06 Speaker 2: few times myself.

50:08 Speaker 4: Help and didn't pull it through. Looking back is clearer.

50:14 Speaker 2: Now that a Pinto makes a great road sand for you.

50:21 Speaker 4: Hold up your head now, baby, hold up your head now,

50:26 Speaker 4: eyes on the press? Did a concert finish line?

50:32 Speaker 7: Strong?

50:44 Speaker 6: Yeah?

50:48 Speaker 2: And when I watch you grow trying hard to find

50:56 Speaker 2: your week bawling down looking around?

51:03 Speaker 4: What should I see? Looking back is clearing now? All

51:09 Speaker 4: that appears to makes.

51:10 Speaker 7: A great road? Time?

51:18 Speaker 8: Now on my brown, get across that finish line?

51:25 Speaker 7: Strong?

51:28 Speaker 4: What should I do? Be strong? What should I do?

51:33 Speaker 4: Make it tough for nobodas?

51:35 Speaker 8: Now?

51:36 Speaker 4: What should I do? Be strong? What should I do

51:41 Speaker 4: say if you first give you easy? How should I

51:44 Speaker 4: do be strong?

51:47 Speaker 1: What should I do?

51:48 Speaker 4: Show the way? Cast a shadow? What should I do?

51:52 Speaker 4: Be strong? What should I do?

51:57 Speaker 7: Make you strong?

52:01 Speaker 1: Back?

52:01 Speaker 2: It's clearer now that a pen who makes a great

52:06 Speaker 2: broad sam for you?

52:09 Speaker 4: The word now be of the ride?

52:16 Speaker 8: They're a quoted Finnish lie, stry, what of your herd?

52:24 Speaker 5: Now?

52:25 Speaker 4: Bead on the ride? You're a quoted Finnish lie.

52:35 Speaker 5: Try