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3:31 Speaker 5: The track is Seance, The band is generations and we're

3:34 Speaker 5: gonna be talking with them in just a moment. Welcome everybody.

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3:57 Speaker 5: If you are listening live. It is Saturday, Nuary ten,

4:00 Speaker 5: twenty twenty six. Jenny is here, of course at the

4:03 Speaker 5: news table, and let's get the band in here. So

4:07 Speaker 5: I've got the level up here, I know we have

4:09 Speaker 5: uh we have Jen Are you there?

4:11 Speaker 10: Can you hear us?

4:13 Speaker 4: Yes, we can hear.

4:14 Speaker 5: Oh excellent, let me, I gotta boost the volume on

4:16 Speaker 5: this end. But uh so yeah, so welcome. So we

4:19 Speaker 5: have gen X from the band, and you've got your

4:22 Speaker 5: cohorts with you. Because I can see I don't think

4:24 Speaker 5: you can see me, but I can see you on

4:26 Speaker 5: the on the screen. Why don't you go ahead and

4:28 Speaker 5: introduce everybody? If you would, or they can introduce themselves.

4:31 Speaker 5: However you want to do it.

4:35 Speaker 11: Marco Flivers and we're MIAs one because he's working today

4:39 Speaker 11: and he can make Anthony and he plays guitars.

4:41 Speaker 5: Well, gotcha, gotcha? All right, So tell us about I'm

4:47 Speaker 5: curious to know how this band came together because you're

4:51 Speaker 5: you're in an area you're in? Is it Springfield, Missouri?

4:55 Speaker 2: Yeah?

4:56 Speaker 5: So not exactly known as a hotbed for metal, shall

5:00 Speaker 5: we say? But I have no idea what the music

5:02 Speaker 5: scene is like there. How did this spand come about?

5:04 Speaker 5: And are there I mean, is there a strong scene

5:07 Speaker 5: there where you are?

5:10 Speaker 2: I think it's not too bad. The story on how

5:12 Speaker 2: we got together kind of funny.

5:13 Speaker 12: I actually know Daniel for a long time and hit

5:16 Speaker 12: him up and he've been playing music different bands for

5:19 Speaker 12: twenty something years now, and I was like, maybe why

5:21 Speaker 12: do we Why did we never jam him?

5:23 Speaker 2: He's like, look, I don't know.

5:24 Speaker 12: We went ahead and got together to the Little Jamon

5:28 Speaker 12: and just kind of turned into what we.

5:31 Speaker 2: Got going on there.

5:33 Speaker 5: So is this is this a relatively new project?

5:37 Speaker 4: Yeah, well it has been going for about three years.

5:39 Speaker 11: So when we formed it, we had an original singer

5:41 Speaker 11: and then we lost him for the health reasons, and

5:44 Speaker 11: then we went through about a year and a half

5:46 Speaker 11: of just going through different vocalists, you know, trying new

5:49 Speaker 11: things vocally, and then we blessed to run into this

5:53 Speaker 11: kick over here.

5:55 Speaker 2: Yeah that's the fun from there. I mean you hear

5:58 Speaker 2: seal she's amazing.

6:00 Speaker 5: Yeah, absolutely, absolutely so. And having a you know, a

6:04 Speaker 5: female fronted band is still it's weird. It's it's you.

6:09 Speaker 5: You would almost think it'd be it wouldn't even be

6:12 Speaker 5: a big deal at this point, right, But it seems

6:14 Speaker 5: like in the industry when you have a female fronted

6:17 Speaker 5: metal band, it still kind of turns heads. People say, oh,

6:20 Speaker 5: isn't that interesting, even though there's been many many female

6:23 Speaker 5: fronted bands. But I mean, jen X, I'm curious how

6:26 Speaker 5: you feel about that and is that something that you

6:28 Speaker 5: really kind of try to push to the forefront in

6:31 Speaker 5: terms of how the band is marketed and perceived or

6:35 Speaker 5: do you think about that part or is it just

6:38 Speaker 5: this is what it is, or how do you approach that.

6:41 Speaker 4: So I've been doing this long time. Springfield, you know,

6:44 Speaker 4: is probably not well known, but Bramson is, oh yeah,

6:49 Speaker 4: well known. My parents were entertainers there for twenty years.

6:52 Speaker 10: I was a child.

6:53 Speaker 4: Entertainer there growing up. Oh wow, professionally performing since I

6:58 Speaker 4: was five. Okay, so classically because growing up there it's

7:04 Speaker 4: mostly country. I did a lot of country. But this

7:09 Speaker 4: is me, this is the music that I love. I

7:13 Speaker 4: remember screaming at the top of my lungs to Offspring

7:16 Speaker 4: when I was like nine years old. Does genuinely love it?

7:20 Speaker 4: But I didn't have that opportunity to express myself that

7:23 Speaker 4: way growing up. Yeah, so this is this is me

7:27 Speaker 4: taking that opportunity. I stepped away from performing for about

7:30 Speaker 4: twenty years. Oh wow, because I growing up with you know,

7:36 Speaker 4: entertainer parents. It's just a different lifestyle and I just

7:38 Speaker 4: wanted something different from my kids. And so this is

7:41 Speaker 4: this is me coming back out in my own way,

7:44 Speaker 4: authentically myself and we are just having a blast.

7:49 Speaker 5: Yeah. Yeah, absolutely. So for twenty years you didn't perform

7:53 Speaker 5: at all?

7:54 Speaker 10: Is that correct?

7:57 Speaker 4: Some some a little bit, but not a lot, and

7:59 Speaker 4: not a lot professionally. You know, I love karaoking. I

8:02 Speaker 4: do it all the time. It's just my little extra outlet.

8:04 Speaker 5: Sure that. But was was it always kind of in

8:09 Speaker 5: the back of your mind that you would get back

8:11 Speaker 5: to it? Or that you would be doing something like

8:13 Speaker 5: this or has this been kind of a kind of

8:15 Speaker 5: a twist in your story that you didn't necessarily always

8:18 Speaker 5: think would happen.

8:19 Speaker 4: Oh, this is a huge twist. I was so nervous

8:24 Speaker 4: coming into this genre, I you know, but everybody has

8:28 Speaker 4: just welcomed me with open arms, which which has always

8:31 Speaker 4: been great about you know, metal heads in general, I

8:34 Speaker 4: feel like they are like the most accepting and so

8:38 Speaker 4: it's yeah, I am truly blessed with this opportunity. I

8:42 Speaker 4: could not be more grateful. I'm so excited about it.

8:45 Speaker 4: These guys just had nothing but faith in me when

8:49 Speaker 4: I didn't have it in myself.

8:50 Speaker 5: So yeah, tell me too about the name because so

8:56 Speaker 5: the name of the band is Generations, but the way

8:58 Speaker 5: that it's spelled and Jen, I even I even asked

9:01 Speaker 5: you in an email for clarification because it's spelled Generation

9:04 Speaker 5: but I'm sorry, generations but with a Z at the

9:07 Speaker 5: end and the Z is capitalized. So what is the

9:09 Speaker 5: significance of that? What does the name mean to you?

9:13 Speaker 11: Well, when we started it, we were kind of playing

9:16 Speaker 11: on our own music, Like I had two other bands

9:18 Speaker 11: going a time. When we started this thing, we were

9:20 Speaker 11: playing metal covers, rock cover like, we were playing a

9:24 Speaker 11: kind of a broad spectrum of music. So I was like, okay,

9:27 Speaker 11: we just be called Generations. Well then when we looked

9:29 Speaker 11: up Generations as a band name, there was only one

9:32 Speaker 11: of them in Florida and it was a cover band

9:34 Speaker 11: that played you know, so like fifties did a middle

9:37 Speaker 11: two thousands cover band.

9:39 Speaker 2: So we just changed the name that. We changed the

9:41 Speaker 2: E to.

9:42 Speaker 11: A and put a Z on the end of it

9:44 Speaker 11: and put the little the time capsule deal on the

9:47 Speaker 11: hour glass on.

9:47 Speaker 2: The end of it.

9:48 Speaker 11: And yeah, we didn't think about it being called Generation

9:51 Speaker 11: Z until it got played on Rock Rage Radio the

9:54 Speaker 11: first time and they.

9:55 Speaker 4: Were like generation Z playing Salence and we were.

9:58 Speaker 5: Like, oh snack, Yeah, I can see, you can see

10:02 Speaker 5: where that would happen. But now, so tell us about

10:05 Speaker 5: the first single, Seance. Uh, A great, great track and

10:10 Speaker 5: it's very and I really like too by the way,

10:14 Speaker 5: the production choice with it becomes prominent at the end, uh,

10:19 Speaker 5: you know, with with the keyboard in there. I just

10:21 Speaker 5: really like the production of the song. But but tell

10:24 Speaker 5: us about Seance and and where that song comes from

10:27 Speaker 5: and what the meaning is behind those lyrics.

10:31 Speaker 13: Well, Uh, the kind of the meeting behind it is

10:34 Speaker 13: more of like a seance that you would kind of

10:37 Speaker 13: tell yourself to kind of keep yourself centered, keep yourself focused, motivated,

10:43 Speaker 13: to keep going, and to push out all the the

10:46 Speaker 13: bs that goes on in live and just kind of

10:49 Speaker 13: kind of keep yourself self centered.

10:51 Speaker 2: You know.

10:51 Speaker 5: Yeah, and then like like, what's the so that song

10:57 Speaker 5: was played on they played that on rock Rade radio?

11:00 Speaker 2: Is that.

11:02 Speaker 4: It's been on a lot of things? Yeah, Yeah, we've

11:06 Speaker 4: been on some online radios in the UK pretty much

11:10 Speaker 4: daily for a couple of months now with Excellent. Yeah,

11:14 Speaker 4: so it's it's been it's been an amazing journey so far.

11:18 Speaker 5: Well, so you're you're off to a great start then,

11:20 Speaker 5: because you know, like like we were saying that the

11:23 Speaker 5: project in this iteration is relatively new, right, that's your

11:26 Speaker 5: first single, So so yeah, you're you're you're off to

11:30 Speaker 5: a great start. That's got to feel good. No, that's wonderful.

11:41 Speaker 5: And then what's the live schedule, Like are you playing

11:44 Speaker 5: a lot of shows? Are you touring or or what's

11:47 Speaker 5: what's happening there?

11:50 Speaker 4: We do have a lot on the books. We we

11:54 Speaker 4: are actually have the opportunity to play in February in

11:58 Speaker 4: Saint Louis on the road to Point Best.

12:01 Speaker 5: Excellent.

12:02 Speaker 4: It's like a battle of the bands to try to

12:04 Speaker 4: actually get to play Point Fest, which.

12:06 Speaker 2: Is one of the which we never heard of that

12:09 Speaker 2: looked at.

12:09 Speaker 11: Point Fest in Saint Louis, Massive, massive festival.

12:14 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's yeah, geared.

12:16 Speaker 4: Up and excited for that. And we have another local

12:19 Speaker 4: show at Moontown Sound.

12:23 Speaker 2: In Springfield. It's really awesome. And then uh, then we

12:27 Speaker 2: have a show in Columbia.

12:29 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, we well we've got stuff further out.

12:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, out in the area.

12:33 Speaker 11: We have stuff in hougust In Columbia, and that's Nebraska.

12:38 Speaker 11: We've got Texas coming later in the year as well. Yeah,

12:41 Speaker 11: it's a it's getting pretty wild.

12:44 Speaker 4: We are geared up and ready to get out there.

12:46 Speaker 5: No, that's excellent. And then so in terms of the

12:49 Speaker 5: live show, because so far, I mean, do you have

12:51 Speaker 5: other material that you play live that you haven't recorded yet?

12:55 Speaker 4: Absolutely?

12:56 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, yeah, we got a lot of music.

12:59 Speaker 5: We have a lot of music of the whole album,

13:01 Speaker 5: oh fantasy. So you're working on an album now, That's

13:04 Speaker 5: That's another thing I was going to ask you, because

13:07 Speaker 5: you know, there's so many different ways to release music now,

13:10 Speaker 5: A lot of artists will do an album, some will

13:12 Speaker 5: do an EP, some will just release singles that eventually

13:16 Speaker 5: coalesce into an EP or an album. But so you've

13:18 Speaker 5: got you're working on an album currently yep, excellent, excellent.

13:29 Speaker 5: For the next song, yeah, oh okay, okay, fantastic, same

13:34 Speaker 5: same studio where you recorded, uh a seance and something

13:37 Speaker 5: Wicked or.

13:38 Speaker 11: Seance shot to my bud Kevin Dunn at Mercenary Studios.

13:42 Speaker 2: We tracked that song with him.

13:44 Speaker 11: The next batch of songs is done with Jess Smith,

13:48 Speaker 11: a studio also amazing engineer.

13:52 Speaker 5: Okay, something Wicked?

13:57 Speaker 2: Oh yeah, because we just released that.

14:01 Speaker 4: We just released that yesterday.

14:03 Speaker 5: So yeah, so something Wicked that hasn't Is that not

14:07 Speaker 5: been heard? Is this the first time that will be

14:09 Speaker 5: on the radio that track?

14:11 Speaker 2: Yeah?

14:11 Speaker 12: Sure, we just released it last night.

14:14 Speaker 2: We just released it last night.

14:15 Speaker 5: I was gonna say, yeah, that's very new, hot off

14:17 Speaker 5: the press. Well that's one of I'm glad we're gonna

14:19 Speaker 5: be the first radio station to play it. That's very cool.

14:22 Speaker 5: I can I can play my My World premiere bumper

14:28 Speaker 5: we Love We Love the World premieres around here. That's great. No,

14:30 Speaker 5: that's another great track, very very strong. I really like

14:33 Speaker 5: that a lot. And then what what's kind of the

14:36 Speaker 5: long term trajectory. I mean, you've got a lot going on,

14:40 Speaker 5: You're working on the album, you're you're, uh, you've got

14:42 Speaker 5: some some shows lined up. I mean, what what what

14:45 Speaker 5: do you feel is in the future for for generations?

14:49 Speaker 5: What's what's kind of the the big goal?

14:52 Speaker 11: Well, thin goes just like any other band, you know,

14:54 Speaker 11: they tried to professionally get it where we can financially

14:58 Speaker 11: swap over.

14:58 Speaker 2: To make enough money make music and.

15:01 Speaker 11: Everything else comes along with making music to you know,

15:03 Speaker 11: feed our families and all that fun stuff.

15:06 Speaker 4: Yeah, I love perform, Like I said, I mean, it's

15:09 Speaker 4: it's just it's it's my space. But for me, I'm

15:13 Speaker 4: just excited to perform. And then then when I realized

15:16 Speaker 4: I get to make money doing it as well, I'm like,

15:18 Speaker 4: oh yeah, that's cool. That's a bonus for me. But

15:20 Speaker 4: like just being able to perform and connect with people

15:23 Speaker 4: and just that's my favorite.

15:24 Speaker 5: So yeah, absolutely one. Now what should we know? So

15:29 Speaker 5: in a moment, we're going to play this track something

15:32 Speaker 5: wicked will well, when we wrap up our conversation, we'll

15:36 Speaker 5: play that to kind of end the segment. But I mean,

15:38 Speaker 5: what should we know about this before we play it?

15:41 Speaker 5: You know, we talked about seance, but again, people are

15:43 Speaker 5: going to be hearing this for the very first time

15:45 Speaker 5: on the radio. What should we know about this song?

15:48 Speaker 5: Something wicked?

15:49 Speaker 2: It was?

15:50 Speaker 13: It was actually kind of inspired.

15:52 Speaker 12: We were sitting around Starley Spring. We had some real

15:56 Speaker 12: nasty weather to weather coming through and we just sent

15:59 Speaker 12: it to our group chat, texting back and forth and

16:01 Speaker 12: I just I probably said something wicked. This way goes

16:04 Speaker 12: and did jebitions like that one makes some really cool solos.

16:07 Speaker 2: I'm like, bet so, I sat down start dropping some stuff.

16:09 Speaker 4: Down and then it kind of borphed into what we

16:12 Speaker 4: got here.

16:12 Speaker 12: But it all started to get news feed about talking

16:15 Speaker 12: about the weather.

16:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we really wrote these songs lyrics in our.

16:18 Speaker 5: Band chat, no kidding? Oh that scared Yeah.

16:23 Speaker 4: Well, and I was. I was telling Daniel earlier. Something

16:25 Speaker 4: I really appreciate about this project and this group of

16:28 Speaker 4: people is that we are just comfortable with each other.

16:33 Speaker 4: It's where we give each other the space to be

16:36 Speaker 4: ourselves individually creatively, and then we come together and it works.

16:43 Speaker 4: And so when it comes to some of the meetings

16:47 Speaker 4: for the songs. Also, I think that it resonates differently

16:49 Speaker 4: with each of us. I was for something wicked. I

16:55 Speaker 4: have also had some mental health struggles throughout my life,

16:58 Speaker 4: and I still struggle with PTSD.

17:01 Speaker 5: Okay, so I am having.

17:03 Speaker 4: A PTSD episode sometimes that turns into like inner rage

17:11 Speaker 4: that I have to cage. Yeah, and so for me,

17:18 Speaker 4: that's the something wicked. And so this song particularly is

17:23 Speaker 4: kind of coping for me. Yeah, that breakdown is so special.

17:28 Speaker 4: I just love it.

17:29 Speaker 5: Anyways, No, I'm glad, I'm glad you. I'm glad you

17:31 Speaker 5: explained that because something that comes up on the show

17:34 Speaker 5: a lot is, you know, we talk about taking, taking trauma,

17:40 Speaker 5: taking PTSD, taking you know, anxiety, depression, whatever, it is,

17:44 Speaker 5: all these things that that we deal with from a

17:47 Speaker 5: mental health perspective. When you take something like that and

17:49 Speaker 5: you create something out of it, you know, you're taking

17:52 Speaker 5: something that's negative, but you're creating art. So you're creating

17:56 Speaker 5: something positive out of it that not only not only

17:58 Speaker 5: does that process hell help you to deal with it,

18:01 Speaker 5: but it potentially helps other people who also then hear

18:05 Speaker 5: the song or or look at the painting or whatever

18:07 Speaker 5: kind of art it is that you're creating. Right, If

18:09 Speaker 5: other people can also get something out of it, then

18:12 Speaker 5: you've not only you've not only helped yourself, but you've

18:14 Speaker 5: helped others and you've done so with something that comes

18:18 Speaker 5: from from pain and trauma. So I think that's I

18:21 Speaker 5: think that's always a wonderful thing when you can do that.

18:23 Speaker 5: So I'm glad you explained that well.

18:25 Speaker 4: And art I think is the greatest form of self expression. Yes,

18:30 Speaker 4: obviously is my favorite, but I also think that it's

18:33 Speaker 4: the greatest form of self expression. And of course it's

18:37 Speaker 4: something that all human beings relate to and that's what

18:42 Speaker 4: I do it for. That's what I love so much

18:44 Speaker 4: about it, and these guys too.

18:46 Speaker 2: And so if you know.

18:48 Speaker 13: Why we're here, well you also get to make those

18:50 Speaker 13: connections with people that you might not have made it

18:52 Speaker 13: any other way.

18:52 Speaker 5: So I mean, look here we are talking with you

18:56 Speaker 5: exactly exactly well, so I'm looking forward to playing that

19:00 Speaker 5: track and sharing it with everybody. But before we let

19:03 Speaker 5: you all go, So, where's the best place to go

19:06 Speaker 5: online to keep up with everything that the band is doing?

19:08 Speaker 5: Where should people go online?

19:11 Speaker 4: Pretty much everywhere the band's on Instagram and Facebook, of course,

19:16 Speaker 4: we have our YouTube page. I have personal pages on

19:20 Speaker 4: TikTok and Twitter or I guess it's x now and Facebook, Instagram.

19:27 Speaker 4: You'll just find us.

19:28 Speaker 12: Anywhere, okay, Oh yeah, we'll talk on all the platform

19:32 Speaker 12: definitely is a YouTube music Spotify.

19:34 Speaker 2: Where do you get band or so?

19:36 Speaker 4: We do have a website too, Oh.

19:38 Speaker 5: Yes, I'm looking at that now.

19:39 Speaker 2: Yeah.

19:40 Speaker 5: Generations dotnoisyard dot com. You can find everything there. A

19:45 Speaker 5: lot of good information about the band there actually, so

19:47 Speaker 5: that's great up and your music is there too, outstanding

19:52 Speaker 5: our YouTube videos.

19:54 Speaker 4: You can purchase merche well, we haven't got it set

19:56 Speaker 4: fully yet, but eventually you'll see all our shows like

20:00 Speaker 4: this is everything Generation.

20:02 Speaker 5: Yeah, excellent, excellent, all right, So in a moment, so

20:05 Speaker 5: we'll let you go so we can hit this track again,

20:07 Speaker 5: the world radio premiere of Something Wicked, the brand new

20:10 Speaker 5: track from Generations. But I want to thank you all

20:13 Speaker 5: for joining us this morning. It's wonderful to talk with you,

20:15 Speaker 5: and we'll definitely do this again in the future as

20:18 Speaker 5: you're releasing new music. We'd love to have you back on.

20:21 Speaker 2: Thank you.

20:23 Speaker 5: Absolutely, you got it, all right, We'll talk to you soon.

20:26 Speaker 5: Take care, bye bye, all right, so that is Generations,

20:32 Speaker 5: and right now it's the world radio premiere of the

20:35 Speaker 5: new track from Generations, something Wicked.

20:38 Speaker 2: You are listening to.

20:39 Speaker 1: T wuminh.

20:42 Speaker 5: World premiere.

21:26 Speaker 7: Ruby now lasses General and I am still here no more.

21:34 Speaker 6: No more.

21:37 Speaker 10: Lin the match and washing.

21:40 Speaker 7: Smells him both at this aspire.

21:45 Speaker 1: I have heard your name, snap of comand.

21:52 Speaker 4: Snow well left to.

21:55 Speaker 1: Hope your head and the party see snow.

22:02 Speaker 5: I'll come on.

22:05 Speaker 1: It's no weather to.

22:09 Speaker 6: Honey's trust me gun about something rigging this way?

22:28 Speaker 1: H M well side that's come toosing. Let me trustfer.

22:58 Speaker 1: I can't see hit your turn watching off.

23:04 Speaker 7: You laugh, lad, I said to you broke me just

23:09 Speaker 7: falling up from head on.

23:12 Speaker 6: Scream from me, h nos, snow of coming.

23:19 Speaker 1: Snorwell left to hope you'll head.

23:24 Speaker 7: And hearty just begun, snow coming.

23:33 Speaker 1: Snowwell up to.

23:36 Speaker 6: Heartey shall be gone out something wacket this wedding.

23:42 Speaker 1: Come now I'll come and no man, love you hold

24:57 Speaker 1: your head and Honey's first be snaw snow to Honey's

25:11 Speaker 1: just be good. That's something we need this way.

25:51 Speaker 5: There's the world radio premiere of the new track from

25:53 Speaker 5: Generations that is called something Wicked. You heard it here

25:56 Speaker 5: first on Matt Connerton Unleashed here on WMNH ninety five

26:01 Speaker 5: point three FM. And thank you again to gen X

26:05 Speaker 5: and the all the members of Generations who joined us

26:08 Speaker 5: this morning. It was wonderful to speak with them. I'm

26:10 Speaker 5: sure we'll do it again in the future. She's got

26:12 Speaker 5: an interesting history having It's funny because, yeah, it didn't

26:17 Speaker 5: even occur to me. You know, Springfield, it's right near Branson,

26:20 Speaker 5: and you know, and then you know she was not

26:23 Speaker 5: doing anything with music for twenty years, and that's pretty interesting. Yeah,

26:29 Speaker 5: but we've got let's see, whoops, I actually just accidentally

26:32 Speaker 5: closed one of the links you sent me, so let's

26:35 Speaker 5: look at this one first. We got a couple music

26:37 Speaker 5: news items. Let's see. This is courtesy of you found

26:42 Speaker 5: this one on Digital Music digitalmusicnews dot com. Los Lobos

26:48 Speaker 5: files dual lawsuits against Sony Music and Sony Pictures over

26:53 Speaker 5: alleged non payment of royalties from films. Now I have

26:56 Speaker 5: not pre read this, but when you said this to me,

27:00 Speaker 5: when you mentioned that there was this news about Los Lobos,

27:02 Speaker 5: my first thought was LaBamba. Yeah, because that's what everyone

27:05 Speaker 5: thinks of. Of course, when you think of Los Lobos,

27:08 Speaker 5: you think of La Bamba, you think of not only

27:10 Speaker 5: the song obviously LaBamba, but the movie about Richie Vallence.

27:16 Speaker 5: Because that's how Los Lobos in the eighties, that's how

27:18 Speaker 5: they became famous was because of that song. That's I mean,

27:22 Speaker 5: I don't know if they really even have any other

27:26 Speaker 5: mainstream Billboard Hot one hundred hit songs necessarily, but that's

27:30 Speaker 5: the one everybody thinks of.

27:32 Speaker 10: You want a quick perusal here, I'm not so sure.

27:36 Speaker 10: Oh yeah, no, it is in part the LaBamba soundtrack, Okay.

27:41 Speaker 10: But also it looks like there might have been a

27:43 Speaker 10: film done in Canada. I'm sorry what there might have

27:47 Speaker 10: been another film done in Canada? Song?

27:48 Speaker 5: Oh oh in Canada. Well, let's see again. This is

27:52 Speaker 5: from Digital Musicnews dot com. Los Lobos sues Sony Music

27:56 Speaker 5: and Sony Pictures in two separate lawsuits alleging non payment

27:59 Speaker 5: of royalties for songs featured in the films LaBamba and Desperado.

28:05 Speaker 5: Oh that's right, okay, Desperado with Antonio Benderas. That's a

28:10 Speaker 5: that's a goot about that. That's an underrated movie. That's

28:13 Speaker 5: a really good movie.

28:14 Speaker 10: I haven't watched that in a long time.

28:15 Speaker 5: Actually, yeah, that's really good uh. Los Angeles band Los Lobos,

28:19 Speaker 5: issuing Sony Music and Sony Pictures for two separate instances,

28:22 Speaker 5: alleging the company underpaid streaming royalties for the group's recordings

28:28 Speaker 5: used in the nineteen eighty seven Richie Vallens biopic LaBamba

28:32 Speaker 5: and the nineteen to ninety five Antonio Banderas Western film Desperado.

28:37 Speaker 5: According to the lawsuit, which the band initially filed in

28:41 Speaker 5: California state court before Sony filed to move it to

28:45 Speaker 5: New York federal court, Sony owes a combined total of

28:49 Speaker 5: at least one point five million dollars in contractual damages.

28:54 Speaker 5: In both instances. Los Lobos accuses Sony of failing to

28:59 Speaker 5: pay royalties for the streaming use of their recordings in

29:02 Speaker 5: these two films in any country outside the US and Canada.

29:06 Speaker 10: Okay, now I get it.

29:09 Speaker 5: Specifically, the suit against Sony Music Entertainment focuses on unpaid

29:15 Speaker 5: royalties for the song I don't uh Cancion.

29:19 Speaker 10: I feel like I'm gonna murder it if I try

29:22 Speaker 10: to say.

29:23 Speaker 5: It, Kencion del Mariachi.

29:26 Speaker 10: You're probably closer than I would have said.

29:28 Speaker 5: Maybe, featured in the movie Desperado. Los Lobos alleges that

29:32 Speaker 5: neither Sony nor its imprint Milan Records have paid any

29:36 Speaker 5: streaming royalties globally for the track's use Sucker, despite its

29:42 Speaker 5: recent surgeon popularity as a walkout anthem for Mma Fighter

29:48 Speaker 5: Ilia l Mattador Topouria, Topouria.

29:53 Speaker 10: That explains the resurgence.

29:54 Speaker 5: Yes, yes, in that instance, the band is seeking at

29:58 Speaker 5: least half a million dollars for alleged breach of contract

30:02 Speaker 5: and requests a formal accounting of damages owed. I need

30:08 Speaker 5: to gulp of my water here.

30:10 Speaker 10: I didn't think about those coming back for streaming, like

30:14 Speaker 10: when you first brought it up. I'm like, yeah, but

30:16 Speaker 10: this was back in the eighties, right, The thing is

30:19 Speaker 10: too now, I didn't think about the streaming aspect.

30:21 Speaker 3: Well.

30:22 Speaker 5: The thing is when you think about in the music industry,

30:25 Speaker 5: when you think about how complicated it gets in terms

30:29 Speaker 5: of paying royalties for publishing and all of it, performance royalties,

30:33 Speaker 5: mechanical royalties, everything that goes into it, then take that

30:38 Speaker 5: and compound it with how complicated it gets and how

30:41 Speaker 5: complicated it's always gotten. When you talk about soundtracks for films,

30:47 Speaker 5: then it gets a whole new level of complicated and

30:52 Speaker 5: that seems to have reared its head here. So the

30:55 Speaker 5: lawsuit says, quote, despite the specific knowledge that the popularity

30:59 Speaker 5: of the recording was spiking and reaching new audiences, Sony

31:03 Speaker 5: and its affiliate Imprint Milan still paid nothing, nothing to

31:10 Speaker 5: Los Lobos for streaming and continues to pay nothing for

31:13 Speaker 5: streaming anywhere in the world for any time period.

31:17 Speaker 10: I because some people lead by example. Yeah, we're just

31:20 Speaker 10: gonna keep using it. We're gonna ignore you.

31:24 Speaker 2: Yep.

31:25 Speaker 10: I so hate that. It's not like they they didn't

31:28 Speaker 10: give him anything, nothing that one dime.

31:31 Speaker 5: That's what they claim.

31:32 Speaker 2: Wrong.

31:33 Speaker 10: You have this music without the artists.

31:35 Speaker 5: Right, says Los Lobos also sued Sony Pictures and its

31:40 Speaker 5: subsidiary Columbia Pictures for allegedly unpaid royalties stemming from the

31:45 Speaker 5: La Bamba soundtrack, which features several Los Lobos covers, including

31:49 Speaker 5: Richie Vallen's LaBamba. Their version spent several weeks at number

31:53 Speaker 5: one on the Billboard Hot one hundred. I think Los

31:57 Speaker 5: Lobos did the entire soundtrack, if I'm not mistaken thought

32:00 Speaker 5: they did.

32:00 Speaker 2: Yeah.

32:02 Speaker 10: I'm not surprised at all by any of this.

32:08 Speaker 5: No, not one iota, no, none of this is surprising.

32:14 Speaker 10: And we know what also complicates a lot of this too,

32:17 Speaker 10: is that each individual state has its own laws as

32:21 Speaker 10: far as like right of succession. Somebody passes away, who

32:25 Speaker 10: owns it right. So it gets even more convoluted when

32:30 Speaker 10: you look at the fact that not only is it

32:33 Speaker 10: so grotesquely full of crazy contracts whatever federal laws, but

32:38 Speaker 10: each individual state laws and where it signed matters.

32:45 Speaker 5: That is true, That is true.

32:47 Speaker 10: It kills me. The Lobama was so long ago that

32:49 Speaker 10: they'd have to.

32:50 Speaker 5: Fight for that money. It doesn't surprise me, though.

32:53 Speaker 10: It kills me. I'd say surprised, is it? It kills me.

32:56 Speaker 10: It's like a classic based on true story.

33:01 Speaker 8: You know.

33:03 Speaker 10: Ah, that's just that's just so wrong. Yeah, it's always

33:06 Speaker 10: the artist. It's always the artist that's getting ripped off

33:09 Speaker 10: by these companies.

33:10 Speaker 5: Yeah. Well, they're the ones who get paid last.

33:13 Speaker 10: Which is so wrong. They should be the ones paid first.

33:16 Speaker 5: You know, they're they're at the end of the they're

33:18 Speaker 5: at the end of the food chain. Yeah, says here, Oh,

33:22 Speaker 5: let's look at uh yeah, we'll go on to the

33:24 Speaker 5: next thing. This is from musicnews dot Com. Uh Salt

33:29 Speaker 5: and Pepa's lawsuit against Universal Music group has been dismissed.

33:32 Speaker 5: Speaking of we.

33:34 Speaker 10: Talked about this when they first filed it.

33:36 Speaker 5: We did, but we also it occurs to me, you know,

33:39 Speaker 5: we were talking earlier about when we talked about the

33:40 Speaker 5: Ticketmaster lawsuit, how Ticketmasters seems like they're always involved in

33:45 Speaker 5: some sort of litigation. But uh, Universal Music Group also

33:49 Speaker 5: seems to always be involved in some sort of litigation.

33:52 Speaker 5: It says, yeah, says here a judge is thrown out

33:54 Speaker 5: Salt and Pepa's lawsuit against Universal Music. The suit sought

33:59 Speaker 5: to retake control of the hip hop duo's master recordings.

34:03 Speaker 5: Ryl Salt James and Sandra Pepa. Denton attempted to exercise

34:08 Speaker 5: their so called termination rights under section two oh three

34:12 Speaker 5: of the Copyright Act, under which artists can draw can

34:16 Speaker 5: claw back they're masters decades after signing away the copyrights.

34:22 Speaker 5: By the way, for anyone who doesn't know, I know

34:24 Speaker 5: a lot of industry people listen to the show. But

34:26 Speaker 5: if you don't know, when we talk about the masters

34:28 Speaker 5: means the master recordings, the original recordings that were done

34:33 Speaker 5: of these. You know, if you're if you're a recording artist,

34:37 Speaker 5: you ideally you want to own your master recordings.

34:40 Speaker 10: He who owns the master owns the song?

34:42 Speaker 5: Yes, yeah, so this is what they were trying to do.

34:46 Speaker 5: They were trying to take take back control. But again

34:49 Speaker 5: this was a thing where because I remember the original

34:52 Speaker 5: story about this, when the lawsuit was filed, it got

34:55 Speaker 5: complicated about who actually owned the masters, because it it

35:00 Speaker 5: wasn't as simple as they were trying to get their

35:02 Speaker 5: masters back from UMG. There was this also this other

35:06 Speaker 5: thing about somebody owned part of the masters or owned

35:10 Speaker 5: all the masters, like a former manager of theirs or something.

35:13 Speaker 5: It was this whole convoluted thing.

35:16 Speaker 10: Interesting though how this pans out though, because it said

35:22 Speaker 10: that with their original contract that it was in the

35:26 Speaker 10: contract that the copyrights would revert back to them after

35:30 Speaker 10: thirty five years. Yes, but then when you go to

35:35 Speaker 10: the contract, UMG said, well, Salt and Pepper didn't actually

35:41 Speaker 10: sign it, oh, right, in nineteen eighty six. Right, they

35:45 Speaker 10: didn't actually sign the nineteen eighty six record deal with

35:48 Speaker 10: Imprint Next Plateau Records. So though apparently they thought they did,

35:54 Speaker 10: and they thought they had this contract, u UMG has

35:58 Speaker 10: somehow found this loophole and said, oh, well they didn't

36:01 Speaker 10: actually sign it. And the judge went, oh, just missed

36:05 Speaker 10: the whole thing, and that's so wrong. In my book,

36:10 Speaker 10: that is so wrong. That is so wrong. A lot

36:14 Speaker 10: of these artists too, especially back in the day. You know,

36:17 Speaker 10: before the Internet, it was really hard for artists to

36:21 Speaker 10: get any attention. It's so much easier now, not that

36:25 Speaker 10: it's I shouldn't say easy. Music is more accessible, artistry

36:30 Speaker 10: is more accessible to the world. Because of the Internet,

36:32 Speaker 10: people can get their voice out there, even on their own.

36:35 Speaker 10: You can self publish a book, you can produce and

36:38 Speaker 10: put your own music out. Back in the day, back

36:41 Speaker 10: in the eighties, you had to get bound. You had

36:44 Speaker 10: to find something somebody who would take a notice of you,

36:48 Speaker 10: and it would It was beyond rare to be noticed

36:53 Speaker 10: that if somebody did. That level of excitement at that

36:57 Speaker 10: young age is like, oh my god, we got a

37:00 Speaker 10: record contract. Who you don't lose your mind. And I

37:04 Speaker 10: honestly believe that they wholeheartedly believed and had a contract

37:10 Speaker 10: at that time. I don't know what this is or

37:14 Speaker 10: but I feel like there's some loophole here because that

37:18 Speaker 10: one sentence doesn't give me enough information. Yeah, that they

37:23 Speaker 10: got to take a walk away with all of their artistry,

37:27 Speaker 10: all of their work and say too bad too, sad,

37:30 Speaker 10: thirty five years wind have gone by, but we're still

37:32 Speaker 10: not going to give it back to you because we

37:35 Speaker 10: want to make as much money off of you as possible,

37:38 Speaker 10: and they didn't. Right now, the artist is completely left

37:44 Speaker 10: out in the cold, your creation, your artistry, your heart

37:47 Speaker 10: and soul, and you don't get nothing, but the multi

37:51 Speaker 10: billion dollar company does.

37:53 Speaker 5: So it says James who assault. Cheryl James told Good

38:00 Speaker 5: Morning America in August, quote, when you're an artist in

38:03 Speaker 5: the beginning, you sign a contract saying that the copyrights

38:06 Speaker 5: will revert back to you after thirty five years. And

38:09 Speaker 5: we've done all the things legally to get our copyrights back,

38:13 Speaker 5: but they're just refusing. So we had to see them unquote.

38:16 Speaker 5: Denton and James further claimed UMG had removed some of

38:21 Speaker 5: their biggest hits, including push It, from streaming platforms, amid

38:26 Speaker 5: the legal fight.

38:29 Speaker 10: Retaliated against them. Yeah, so they couldn't make money off

38:33 Speaker 10: of their more popular They're hugely popularis slung push It?

38:36 Speaker 5: Yeah?

38:38 Speaker 10: That see to add insult to injury.

38:42 Speaker 5: Wow, Yeah, that's cool.

38:44 Speaker 10: Going to be a special kind of awful human for that.

38:46 Speaker 5: Yeah, that's clearly a retaliatory, UMG mentioned I'm sorry. UMG

38:55 Speaker 5: maintained that Salt and Peppa did not have the termination

38:58 Speaker 5: rights because they didn't actually sign their nineteen eighty six

39:01 Speaker 5: record deal with Imprint next Plateau Records.

39:05 Speaker 10: Did a manager sign for them?

39:07 Speaker 2: You know what I mean?

39:08 Speaker 7: Like this?

39:09 Speaker 10: This is something here? Yeah, because if that was, if

39:13 Speaker 10: that was the flat out case all this time, they

39:16 Speaker 10: would have brought that out a long time ago. They

39:18 Speaker 10: found some kind of loophole. Maybe the manager signed it

39:21 Speaker 10: and not specifically the girls, So they're using that as

39:25 Speaker 10: a loophole of some kind. There's got to be more

39:27 Speaker 10: to that part. There has to be. This has been

39:29 Speaker 10: going on for too long for that to suddenly come

39:31 Speaker 10: out now. I feel like there has to be a

39:33 Speaker 10: loophole they're using.

39:35 Speaker 5: Maybe I'm wrong, what so, how how do they even

39:39 Speaker 5: This is what I don't get. If they if they

39:44 Speaker 5: never signed the contract, then then that means there is

39:49 Speaker 5: no contract, right? So what am I missing here?

39:51 Speaker 4: So?

39:51 Speaker 10: How come they don't own this stuff anyway because they

39:53 Speaker 10: never signed a deal to give it to somebody else?

39:56 Speaker 6: Right?

39:56 Speaker 10: True? The other side of the coin? Yeah, yeah, you

39:59 Speaker 10: got a good point.

40:00 Speaker 5: How does that work?

40:00 Speaker 10: But the judge just at hand. Now we don't know

40:04 Speaker 10: if he dismissed it with prejudice or not. We just

40:06 Speaker 10: know that he dismissed the entire case.

40:10 Speaker 5: Yeah, it says Judge Denise Cody sided with UMG on

40:15 Speaker 5: Thursday and dismissed the claims entirely as a result of

40:18 Speaker 5: these findings. In a statement shared with Billboard, a UMG

40:22 Speaker 5: spokesperson said the company has gratified that the court dismissed

40:26 Speaker 5: this baseless lawsuit. Salt and Peppa have the right to

40:29 Speaker 5: appeal the dismissal order if they choose to do so.

40:33 Speaker 10: Baseless lawsuit, baseless, it's their artistry. How dare you?

40:41 Speaker 2: Yeah?

40:42 Speaker 10: How dare you?

40:44 Speaker 2: You know?

40:44 Speaker 10: This is the big billion dollar company that's got every

40:48 Speaker 10: rich lawyer at their disposal, with all kinds of resources

40:52 Speaker 10: against a couple of artists who probably don't make a

40:55 Speaker 10: heck of a lot offer their music that's streaming insult

41:00 Speaker 10: to injury. All this time, they've been looking forward to

41:03 Speaker 10: having their music back thirty five years, waiting for the day,

41:07 Speaker 10: waiting for the day, And the day finally comes and

41:11 Speaker 10: the billion dollar industry found a way to get them

41:14 Speaker 10: yet again. It's so wrong. It's so wrong. It's always

41:19 Speaker 10: the artist to get the crappy end of the stick

41:21 Speaker 10: because they can't afford to put up the fights that

41:25 Speaker 10: these companies can. It's David and Goliath in a lot

41:28 Speaker 10: of these situations.

41:30 Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, So we got a little bit of time left.

41:38 Speaker 5: We'll we'll, we'll do this. We should talk about the

41:41 Speaker 5: Gene Simmons, the latest.

41:44 Speaker 10: I'm wondering if you were good at it?

41:45 Speaker 5: Per fuffl into that. So regular listeners, longtime listeners of

41:50 Speaker 5: the show. Now, Kiss is my my all time favorite band.

41:53 Speaker 5: But Jene Simmons, for as long as I can remember,

41:58 Speaker 5: has had these moments where he upsets people. Here's the

42:02 Speaker 5: latest little controversy and it involves Peter Cris and the

42:05 Speaker 5: song Beth. Everybody knows that song Beth. I hear you calling,

42:10 Speaker 5: all right? So this is from Parade dot com, who,

42:14 Speaker 5: by the way, shame on parade dot com because in

42:19 Speaker 5: the uh the picture that they used is not in

42:25 Speaker 5: the headline. They used a picture of Eric Carr, not

42:28 Speaker 5: Peter Cris. Eric Carr is not the original singer of Beth.

42:32 Speaker 5: Peter Cris is, but they use the wrong drummer. Wow

42:37 Speaker 5: replaced Peter Chris.

42:40 Speaker 10: That's really that's a really shoddy journal.

42:44 Speaker 5: Really sloppy, really sloppy. All right, here's here's what the

42:47 Speaker 5: article says. In nineteen seventy six, Kiss released what would

42:51 Speaker 5: become their biggest hit song, Beth, the power rock ballad

42:55 Speaker 5: I wouldn't call it a power rock ballad, appeared on

42:58 Speaker 5: the glam band's fourth studio at Destroyer and started out

43:01 Speaker 5: as the B side to Detroit Rock City, which is

43:05 Speaker 5: which is true, which is interesting, and this is not

43:09 Speaker 5: you know, this has happened with other hit songs. But

43:13 Speaker 5: but yeah, a lot of people might not know that

43:15 Speaker 5: Beth was actually the B side. Beth was never intended

43:18 Speaker 5: to be the single. And you know the reason Beth

43:22 Speaker 5: was the B side is because, and I remember noticing

43:25 Speaker 5: this when I was a kid. You know, singles would

43:27 Speaker 5: usually have on the A side would be what was

43:30 Speaker 5: supposed to be the single, and the B side would

43:33 Speaker 5: usually be actually one of the weakest tracks on the

43:36 Speaker 5: album because they would always record labels would always make

43:40 Speaker 5: sure that the B side was a song that they

43:43 Speaker 5: didn't think had any chance. They didn't want the B

43:45 Speaker 5: side to be something they might want to release as

43:47 Speaker 5: a single later because so they would put what they

43:50 Speaker 5: considered to be a throwaway track as the B side,

43:55 Speaker 5: At least in America. British bands have a history of

43:59 Speaker 5: actually recording a separate song for the B side that

44:03 Speaker 5: isn't on the album, so it's kind of like a

44:05 Speaker 5: bonus track.

44:06 Speaker 10: But that's but that which I think is cooler.

44:09 Speaker 5: Oh me too, But that was not the case in America.

44:12 Speaker 5: Hasn't been the case in America generally, so so the

44:15 Speaker 5: B side to Detroit Rock City. Everyone knows the song

44:18 Speaker 5: Detroit Rock City, but the B side was Beth. So

44:23 Speaker 5: Beth reached number seven on the Billboard Hot one hundred

44:25 Speaker 5: and won the People's Choice Award for Favorite New Song

44:28 Speaker 5: of nineteen seventy six. In a post on his official website,

44:32 Speaker 5: Chris Peter Cris has touted Beth as Kiss his biggest hit.

44:36 Speaker 5: He added that the People's Choice honor was his favorite

44:39 Speaker 5: award because the people voted, and he's even prouder of

44:42 Speaker 5: the song decades later than he was in nineteen seventy six.

44:46 Speaker 5: But in a January twenty twenty sixth interview with the

44:50 Speaker 5: Professor of Rock podcast Kiss co founder Gene Simmons downplayed

44:54 Speaker 5: Peter Cris's involvement with the hit song. Now, part of

45:00 Speaker 5: this story already knew, but part of it I, as

45:03 Speaker 5: well as I think most Kiss fans, was hearing for

45:04 Speaker 5: the first time. Okay, here's what Jean Simmons said.

45:08 Speaker 2: Quote.

45:09 Speaker 5: The history of Beth is that Peter and I were

45:10 Speaker 5: in a limo and he starts humming. I'm like, that's

45:13 Speaker 5: a nice melody.

45:14 Speaker 2: What is that?

45:14 Speaker 5: He goes, Oh, it's a song I wrote called Beck

45:18 Speaker 5: because we had started working with Bob Ezrin. I said,

45:21 Speaker 5: why don't you bring up that song? By the way,

45:23 Speaker 5: what are the chords to that? He goes, oh, I

45:26 Speaker 5: don't know. I thought that was peculiar, But before then

45:29 Speaker 5: I suggested in the car, why don't you change it

45:32 Speaker 5: to Beth, because when you say Beck, that hard syllable

45:36 Speaker 5: stops the melody, and Beth is a much more romantic

45:39 Speaker 5: idea unquote. By the way, in another interview, Gen Simmons

45:44 Speaker 5: had once said about that specific moment, because this is

45:46 Speaker 5: part of the story already had heard, and this is

45:49 Speaker 5: part of the story that's been consistent over the years,

45:51 Speaker 5: that they were in a limo and Jean said to Peter, Hey,

45:55 Speaker 5: that's interesting. What's that, and Peter said it's beck And

45:59 Speaker 5: but the previous version of the story, Jean said, he

46:03 Speaker 5: suggests these are his exact words. He said, Oh, why

46:06 Speaker 5: don't you make it instead of back?

46:07 Speaker 8: What?

46:08 Speaker 5: Oh, that's right, I remember now he said to Peter

46:11 Speaker 5: beck what is that about?

46:12 Speaker 7: Is that?

46:12 Speaker 5: Is it about Jeff beck And?

46:15 Speaker 2: Uh?

46:15 Speaker 5: And Peter said no, no, it's about Becky because I

46:17 Speaker 5: guess I was friend and and then Jean said, well,

46:22 Speaker 5: I'm wondering that you should instead of back, maybe you

46:24 Speaker 5: should change it to Beth so that people don't think

46:27 Speaker 5: you're playing for the other team. Those Jean's words. That's

46:30 Speaker 5: how he plays. Yeah, yeah, but anyway, but but so

46:34 Speaker 5: that's but that's the basic story, the basic story.

46:39 Speaker 10: Okay, well, what did did Peter ever give his side

46:43 Speaker 10: of that? I don't he ever say that conversation didn't

46:46 Speaker 10: happen or it did happen.

46:47 Speaker 5: No, I've never heard Peter dispute any of that. But

46:50 Speaker 5: he's But here's where it gets interesting. So here's here's

46:53 Speaker 5: what Jean said on the on the podcast, he said,

46:55 Speaker 5: it's time for the truth. Peter does not write songs.

46:57 Speaker 5: He doesn't play a musical instrument. Drums are not a

46:59 Speaker 5: music instrument by definition. As far as I know, Peter

47:02 Speaker 5: plays no other instruments that I've ever seen, not keyboards,

47:05 Speaker 5: extreme instruments. Peter's got a very Peter's got a great

47:08 Speaker 5: whisky voice in the early days, had a great whisky voice.

47:14 Speaker 5: He said, this is the important part. The person who

47:17 Speaker 5: wrote Beth is a guy named stan Pendrich. Stan Pendrich

47:22 Speaker 5: was with Peter in a group called Chelsea. They had

47:25 Speaker 5: a record out, actually it was on MCA. So Peter

47:29 Speaker 5: did not write Beth. Stan Pendrich wrote that, but through

47:33 Speaker 5: politics and hint hint, nudge, nudge, And I wasn't there

47:36 Speaker 5: when the conversation went down. Stan Pendrich apparently agreed that

47:40 Speaker 5: Peter's name would go in the songwriting credit. It appears

47:44 Speaker 5: first Peter, Chris bob Ezrin, Stan Pendrich or the other

47:49 Speaker 5: way around. But Peter's first. Peter had nothing to do

47:52 Speaker 5: with that song. He sang it. In other words, he

47:54 Speaker 5: had nothing to do with writing it.

47:56 Speaker 10: I'd like to know what any of those people have

47:58 Speaker 10: to say.

48:00 Speaker 5: Well, Pendrich died in two thousand and one, so we'll

48:03 Speaker 5: never get his story, but say that he's not a musicianist,

48:08 Speaker 5: so oh well, what he said and they didn't include

48:11 Speaker 5: the full quote here. So what he actually said is

48:14 Speaker 5: he said drums are not a musical instrument. They're a

48:17 Speaker 5: percussive instrument, which is nitpicking and insulting. So Gene was

48:23 Speaker 5: definitely out of line for saying that. That's a that's

48:26 Speaker 5: a crazy thing to say. Now, this is the part,

48:30 Speaker 5: the part that I did not know. So because everyone

48:33 Speaker 5: knows the song Beth, but I'll just play for anyone

48:36 Speaker 5: who doesn't, I'll just play a little bit of it.

48:38 Speaker 5: But then, this is the part that blew my mind

48:41 Speaker 5: was when I found the Chelsea version. I actually went

48:44 Speaker 5: and listened to the Chelsea version of Beth. We'll go

48:47 Speaker 5: ahead and play a little bit of this, but then

48:49 Speaker 5: then we'll play the Chelsea version.

48:53 Speaker 10: You call in but I can't come home and Chelsea

49:00 Speaker 10: in the balls.

49:01 Speaker 5: No, this is the Kiss version. Oh okay, throw me up,

49:04 Speaker 5: like really, yeah no, this is the Kiss version.

49:08 Speaker 6: Just a few.

49:14 Speaker 1: To you.

49:20 Speaker 2: Band?

49:21 Speaker 10: What can I do?

49:25 Speaker 6: What can.

49:28 Speaker 5: Okay? So that's that's Beth by Kiss with with Peter singing. Now,

49:32 Speaker 5: this is what I had never heard before. This is Chelsea.

49:36 Speaker 5: This is Beck. It's called Beck, and the band is Chelsea.

49:40 Speaker 5: And this is the band that Stan Pendrich was in.

49:44 Speaker 5: Again he's dead, so nobody can get his side of

49:47 Speaker 5: things from from Uh, this is this is the original,

49:52 Speaker 5: this blew my mind from from when Peter and Stan

49:54 Speaker 5: Pendrich were in a band together called Chelsea.

50:17 Speaker 1: Call it but I can't all right now.

50:24 Speaker 2: In the Vegan but we're just jam bout that sound.

50:33 Speaker 10: I won't you wad o.

50:35 Speaker 2: Hour in a rod rad.

50:42 Speaker 5: And man.

50:46 Speaker 1: But then.

50:53 Speaker 5: Yeah, so it's definitely the same song.

50:56 Speaker 10: Sean sour because this is the song that got real.

51:01 Speaker 10: That's the number one. No, I don't think he cares

51:03 Speaker 10: about that, and it wasn't one he wrote.

51:06 Speaker 5: I don't I don't think. I don't think that's why

51:08 Speaker 5: do you think he's so sour part of his I

51:10 Speaker 5: don't think he's I don't think he's soured necessarily.

51:12 Speaker 10: I think he just hateful things. After somebody dies.

51:17 Speaker 5: Well, you're now you're conflating with U A.

51:22 Speaker 10: But he don't find it. You don't find it odd

51:26 Speaker 10: that they're happening so close together that he dies and

51:28 Speaker 10: now suddenly we're hearing this about Peter.

51:32 Speaker 2: I don't know.

51:33 Speaker 5: No, it's Jean's Uh, it's very on brand for Gene

51:37 Speaker 5: he's been doing this for decades.

51:39 Speaker 10: Making a lot of enemies.

51:41 Speaker 5: Well he does, yeah, but why why do this?

51:44 Speaker 10: Why why do this? It's such a great Now does

51:49 Speaker 10: this nastiness about it? Or is he trying to garner

51:51 Speaker 10: more money by creating controversy.

51:54 Speaker 4: I think he.

51:55 Speaker 5: I think he likes being in the news certainly, But we.

51:58 Speaker 10: Say, we should say the podcast is the professor of rock.

52:01 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, But I mean he's not wrong though here, Like,

52:07 Speaker 5: I had no idea.

52:09 Speaker 10: See this to me.

52:11 Speaker 5: As a as a Kiss fan, this is very interesting

52:13 Speaker 5: to me. I'm actually glad. I mean, I don't agree

52:15 Speaker 5: with what he said about Peter doesn't play a musical

52:18 Speaker 5: instrument and all that. That's absurd, it's mean, but but

52:22 Speaker 5: it is mean, and I don't know that he intended

52:23 Speaker 5: it that way. But but I had no idea. I

52:27 Speaker 5: had never heard. I knew, I mean, you know, obviously

52:31 Speaker 5: I know a lot about Kiss, and I knew that

52:34 Speaker 5: Peter Chris was in a band called Chelsea with Stan Pendrich.

52:37 Speaker 5: That's all I knew.

52:38 Speaker 10: I had no idea that he was involved at all

52:40 Speaker 10: with this song. You thought this song came from Kiss.

52:44 Speaker 5: Right, I didn't know. Well, I knew that San Pendrich

52:48 Speaker 5: was because he has a songwriter.

52:50 Speaker 10: Writer, but it was Kiss that did it first. That

52:51 Speaker 10: there wasn't a band that.

52:53 Speaker 5: Yeah, I had no idea this song Beck by Chelsea existed.

52:56 Speaker 5: And by the way I'm looking at this, I just

53:01 Speaker 5: I found it on YouTube. This was posted on YouTube

53:04 Speaker 5: fourteen years ago, and I had no idea until now.

53:09 Speaker 5: Doesn't the guy kind of sound like Rod Stewart, Well,

53:12 Speaker 5: that's Peter singing on.

53:13 Speaker 10: It the way. I don't know, maybe it just sounds

53:17 Speaker 10: like ro Well.

53:18 Speaker 5: Well, Peter sounds like Rod Stewart, He's got that same

53:20 Speaker 5: kind of voice. Yeah, yeah, that's why there's this there's

53:23 Speaker 5: this weird story that's gone around for decades that we

53:28 Speaker 5: even talked about it. I'm not sure if we talked

53:30 Speaker 5: about it on air or off air, but it was

53:32 Speaker 5: on Retrospectrum Radio one night. We were talking about how

53:36 Speaker 5: I think we talked about it on air, this this

53:39 Speaker 5: story about Beth, that that it was actually written for

53:43 Speaker 5: Rod Stewart, oh, and that and that he rejected it

53:47 Speaker 5: because it sounded too much like Maggie May. But I

53:50 Speaker 5: don't believe that story anymore anyway. I don't even if

53:53 Speaker 5: he's halfway believed that. You can't believe it anymore. Yeah,

53:55 Speaker 5: I don't believe that story anyway, right, because that doesn't

53:58 Speaker 5: even make sense. Why would you know? Why would why

54:02 Speaker 5: do that? I think I think the way that story started.

54:07 Speaker 5: This is my theory. I think that back when when

54:11 Speaker 5: Beth came out, a lot of people probably thought, oh,

54:13 Speaker 5: that kind of uh, that kind of reminds me of

54:16 Speaker 5: Rod Stewart, and so then it just became this thing.

54:19 Speaker 5: You know some yeah, people just write an urban legend exactly.

54:24 Speaker 5: But uh, but no, uh, that that is the same song.

54:27 Speaker 5: I mean, there's no getting around that.

54:30 Speaker 10: The revelation about the song fine and acknowledging that it

54:35 Speaker 10: came from another band could be very good, But to

54:38 Speaker 10: do so in the same breath as just being rotten.

54:43 Speaker 10: I'm sorry, it's rotten. I think drummers and musicians, of course,

54:47 Speaker 10: and I think their drums are there their instrument that

54:50 Speaker 10: I don't understand that one either musical instrument versus percussion instrument.

54:55 Speaker 10: They both have instrument in the sentence, So how.

54:58 Speaker 5: Is yeah, how do you how do you explain that way?

55:01 Speaker 5: I understand what he's saying, I just don't.

55:05 Speaker 10: I don't agree, don't agree I think drums is one

55:08 Speaker 10: of the hardest things to learn because all your limbs

55:11 Speaker 10: are moving in different directions. And then some of the

55:13 Speaker 10: people we watch, like under the Horizon singing at the

55:16 Speaker 10: same time, Oh by god, oh yeah, both legs are going,

55:19 Speaker 10: the arms are going, and singing versus screaming, all in

55:23 Speaker 10: the same It's amazing talent, it's and they're incredibly musicians.

55:29 Speaker 10: And to cut them off at the knees and call them,

55:34 Speaker 10: you know, anything other, or make them less than anybody

55:37 Speaker 10: playing any other instrument, whether it's a guitar or whatever,

55:40 Speaker 10: it kind of gives that feeling of a drummer being

55:42 Speaker 10: less than the guitarist or the bassist. And I don't

55:46 Speaker 10: I don't like that at all. I think it's pretty

55:48 Speaker 10: cold and rude and wrong. And I guess, like you said,

55:52 Speaker 10: in keeping with his style.

55:55 Speaker 5: Yeah, all right, we gotta go. Thank you everybody who

55:59 Speaker 5: joined us today. And I thought it was a fun show.

56:02 Speaker 5: Uh Paul Zola, I'm sure I'm not saying his name correctly.

56:07 Speaker 5: Of course, we had the members of Generations join us

56:11 Speaker 5: and in the first hour, of course, Uh sick dude.

56:13 Speaker 5: Hell yeah, love those guys. I love their music and

56:17 Speaker 5: they're really good people too. So if you want to

56:21 Speaker 5: know more about what I'm up to, Matt Connorton dot com.

56:24 Speaker 5: Especially you know it is January. If you want to

56:25 Speaker 5: book a hypnotherapy session, you can do that right through

56:27 Speaker 5: the website, and Jenny, you want to mention your website.

56:31 Speaker 10: Absolutely, you can always keep up with the good trouble

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56:36 Speaker 10: n c O F f e y dot com. And

56:39 Speaker 10: stay tuned for some stuff coming up this week.

56:41 Speaker 5: That's right, that's right, all right, if you miss any

56:44 Speaker 5: part of today's show, and we'll be up in just

56:45 Speaker 5: a little bit at w m hradio dot org and

56:48 Speaker 5: a my website Matt Connorton dot com. And that's gonna

56:50 Speaker 5: do it for us for now. We'll talk to y'all

56:51 Speaker 5: a little bit later. Bye everybody, Bye bye.

57:27 Speaker 8: When I was a boy, all I think about this

57:32 Speaker 8: was a stupid boy that I was. When I was

57:36 Speaker 8: a kid, I got my face up there not toilets

57:41 Speaker 8: with the geese out. Damn. I wasn't always a stoop pump,

57:47 Speaker 8: but when I was, I was a jump I didn't

57:52 Speaker 8: always look as I used to laugh and go filled.

57:58 Speaker 9: With us.

58:01 Speaker 8: I remember roll the Man times and picks them along.

58:08 Speaker 8: It feels like someone that's stopping their tack fuck off.

58:13 Speaker 6: Of my arm.

58:17 Speaker 5: Right, don't you miss Side Go where no scene down?

58:22 Speaker 1: Bobby roll up Live? I ride? Do you Missie Go?

58:28 Speaker 5: Where no scene down?

58:30 Speaker 1: A bom me roll up live.

58:40 Speaker 8: Y. When I was in school, didn't make good grades,

58:53 Speaker 8: I was, yes, still being numb fool when I was

58:57 Speaker 8: still young