Matt Connarton Unleashed 3-28-26 hour 1

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0:17 Speaker 3: Hey, everybody, welcome to Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are

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0:23 Speaker 3: three FM, Inglorious, Manchester, New Hampshire. We got a big

0:26 Speaker 3: show for you today. But right now, to kick us off,

0:30 Speaker 3: we got a brand new single. This is from our

0:31 Speaker 3: friend Opus and you know him as the drummer from

0:35 Speaker 3: the band Dead by Wednesday. But he's got a brand

0:38 Speaker 3: new solo album coming up called Purging the Demons, his

0:41 Speaker 3: first ever solo album, and this is his first ever

0:45 Speaker 3: solo single and you're hearing it first right here, brand

0:49 Speaker 3: new from Opus. This is called not Okay.

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1:27 Speaker 4: I don't know wan have afen.

1:31 Speaker 1: When she left?

1:32 Speaker 5: Did she do something my mind I can't get out of.

1:39 Speaker 1: I know I shouldn't thought that could. But it's not

1:44 Speaker 1: the same with about.

1:47 Speaker 5: This counts and that days, but it never goes away.

1:59 Speaker 1: It ripped my heart out and stole my soul. Y

2:17 Speaker 1: you ripped my heart out, cow out.

2:24 Speaker 6: Something that till I can't ta point, but it thinks

2:30 Speaker 6: me night.

2:32 Speaker 1: And I want to be off andy thing.

2:37 Speaker 5: I'm stuck in.

2:38 Speaker 1: This dark place where I go.

2:41 Speaker 6: Up me, but I don't wanna be the person I

2:46 Speaker 6: used to be because I wrote too far down, I'm

2:52 Speaker 6: going too far down.

2:55 Speaker 5: I don't even why to start a care and don't

3:00 Speaker 5: really want to. So I've left that knowing now myself

3:08 Speaker 5: uns gone.

3:09 Speaker 7: Now I try and try, but enough thing to feel

3:14 Speaker 7: drive my cowfos shiner and now saying mad, I can't

3:24 Speaker 7: even think I'm weak.

3:41 Speaker 1: You've ripped my heart out. You stole my soul. Wad,

3:49 Speaker 1: You've ripped my heart out, and now all.

3:53 Speaker 5: That stole my soul now brand by.

4:05 Speaker 8: Muscle No, you're heard it here first.

4:49 Speaker 3: That is not okay, the brand new single from Opus,

4:52 Speaker 3: the drummer of Dead by Wednesday. But he's got a

4:53 Speaker 3: solo project, his new album, Purging the Demons, which will

4:56 Speaker 3: be out shortly, and excited to hear that you heard

4:59 Speaker 3: it here first, And right now we're gonna play ninth Son.

5:03 Speaker 3: This is navarros or Navaris. I'll have to ask him

5:06 Speaker 3: because he's going to be joining us UH via Microsoft

5:09 Speaker 3: teams right after this to talk with him. But this

5:12 Speaker 3: is really good. This is called ninth son.

6:07 Speaker 9: You thank you.

6:55 Speaker 10: Look like men.

8:05 Speaker 2: Kick But what what what?

9:19 Speaker 9: What?

9:31 Speaker 11: What?

9:34 Speaker 9: What? What?

9:43 Speaker 4: What?

9:44 Speaker 2: What the what?

9:46 Speaker 9: What?

9:47 Speaker 6: What?

10:03 Speaker 3: How cool is that? I didn't even want to talk

10:05 Speaker 3: over the end of it. That is so cool. You

10:06 Speaker 3: can really groove to that. The track is called Ninth Sun.

10:10 Speaker 3: That is Nevaras, and or it might be Navarus. Let's see.

10:13 Speaker 3: I think we've got Augustin here with us. Augustin are

10:16 Speaker 3: you there?

10:17 Speaker 11: Yes, I am, how are you good?

10:18 Speaker 4: Good?

10:18 Speaker 3: Welcome to the show. I'm excited to talk to you

10:20 Speaker 3: because I've been grooving to this. I've been grooving to

10:23 Speaker 3: this four track EP sound session. The whole thing is

10:26 Speaker 3: so good.

10:27 Speaker 11: Thank you, man.

10:28 Speaker 12: I really appreciate that absolutely.

10:30 Speaker 3: So let's clear this up right off the bat. You

10:32 Speaker 3: how do you say the name?

10:34 Speaker 11: It's Nevarus.

10:35 Speaker 13: You know, it's adaptation of my last name on my

10:38 Speaker 13: mother's side, which is Nevadas, which is like a proper

10:40 Speaker 13: Spanish name.

10:41 Speaker 8: But gotcha.

10:42 Speaker 13: I saw it misspelled on a piece of paper once

10:45 Speaker 13: and I needed to It's like my stage name was

10:47 Speaker 13: like Navarus.

10:48 Speaker 11: I just took it. I've had it ever since.

10:49 Speaker 3: Oh that's cool, that's cool, No, I dig it. I'm

10:52 Speaker 3: really curious about your recording process with this. So for

10:56 Speaker 3: people who are not familiar with you and how you

10:59 Speaker 3: recorded this EP, I don't know if this is how

11:01 Speaker 3: you record everything but your I mean, it's live. It's

11:04 Speaker 3: it's studio, it's it's it's like it's it's in studio,

11:07 Speaker 3: but it's also live in the sense that And I

11:09 Speaker 3: don't know how many people do this anymore, but you're

11:11 Speaker 3: all playing live at the same time. So there's no overdubs,

11:15 Speaker 3: there's no you know, it's not you know, one person's

11:18 Speaker 3: recording you know, guitar parts and then somebody else is

11:21 Speaker 3: doing the synth and all this. It's all live. I

11:24 Speaker 3: did watch the videos too, and I'm just I'm fascinated

11:28 Speaker 3: by that.

11:29 Speaker 13: Yeah, yeah, it was all live. No you know, no

11:34 Speaker 13: click track, no headphones interestingly really play.

11:38 Speaker 11: Yeah, no headphones.

11:39 Speaker 13: So we had bleed, which kind of you're kind of

11:41 Speaker 13: married to keeping it live at that point because you

11:44 Speaker 13: can't you can't edit it. It's it's so no headphones

11:47 Speaker 13: through amps. We could all hear each other live in

11:49 Speaker 13: the space. And you know, that's hard work for James

11:53 Speaker 13: de la Tacoma, who is the engineer, and Michael Black

11:56 Speaker 13: was filming it. It was something that none of us

11:59 Speaker 13: had try nine people, and it was definitely a sort

12:03 Speaker 13: of an experiment. And once we did it and I

12:07 Speaker 13: took it back, I listened to it, I was like, man,

12:09 Speaker 13: this sounds unlike any of the stuff I've done for

12:11 Speaker 13: years where you overdub and you lose something.

12:13 Speaker 3: For sure, that's incredible. So you've never done anything quite

12:18 Speaker 3: like this In terms of recording, I never have.

12:20 Speaker 13: No, I've recorded, I've got four records, and then working

12:26 Speaker 13: on the fifth, and then after that I already started

12:28 Speaker 13: on the sixth.

12:29 Speaker 11: All of them were done with some form of live,

12:32 Speaker 11: you know. I never did it like layer by layer.

12:34 Speaker 13: Often it would be like the drum set the base,

12:38 Speaker 13: you know, just like the core group, and then on

12:39 Speaker 13: top of that you're just adding and adding and adding building, right,

12:44 Speaker 13: That's how I've always done it.

12:46 Speaker 3: Do you think that it's better to well, I mean

12:49 Speaker 3: I assume you think it's better because this is your approach,

12:51 Speaker 3: But do you prefer to get it as live as possible?

12:54 Speaker 3: Or again, in this case, in terms of the EP,

12:56 Speaker 3: this is all done live, like truly live. But do

12:59 Speaker 3: you think it's good to get either do that or

13:01 Speaker 3: get as close to that as possible, because then you

13:04 Speaker 3: capture something that maybe you don't capture if you're doing

13:07 Speaker 3: it the way most bands do it now, where you

13:10 Speaker 3: are just doing one thing at a time and sort

13:13 Speaker 3: of building the track because and part of why I'm

13:15 Speaker 3: curious about this is I know bands that you know,

13:19 Speaker 3: they they're really good live, but then you listen to

13:22 Speaker 3: their studio work and maybe it's not quite capturing the

13:26 Speaker 3: magic or the energy of the band's live performance, and

13:29 Speaker 3: you go, I wish, I wish these studio records really

13:33 Speaker 3: kind of captured that. I mean, how do you feel

13:35 Speaker 3: about that? And do you think you lose something if

13:37 Speaker 3: you do it, you know, just one thing at a time.

13:41 Speaker 13: Yeah, I mean I've always tried, and you know, I've

13:44 Speaker 13: done a record since doing sound Session that is very

13:46 Speaker 13: close to being finished. And we did it shortly after

13:50 Speaker 13: sound session. We didn't fully go back to everybody live

13:52 Speaker 13: in the studio, but four of us got together, so

13:55 Speaker 13: Locatronto and drums, Jonathan Maren, oh, Bill Bernard and I

14:00 Speaker 13: got together and put down the whole basis of it.

14:03 Speaker 13: And in general, I do at least rhythm section plus

14:06 Speaker 13: and alotic instruments, you know, a core live in the studio.

14:10 Speaker 13: I never do. If you go back too far, you're

14:13 Speaker 13: going to lose all the spirit of it, you know,

14:16 Speaker 13: right right?

14:17 Speaker 3: And can you tell us too about working with Bill

14:20 Speaker 3: Bill Laswell, legendary producer and bassist on this and these songs.

14:25 Speaker 3: I mean he actually co wrote these with you, correct.

14:28 Speaker 11: He did.

14:29 Speaker 13: We So originally we did an album called Reverberations, which

14:34 Speaker 13: is out there for people to check out if you want,

14:37 Speaker 13: and that we did where he wrote all these amazing basslines,

14:41 Speaker 13: and then we had a lot of stuff that didn't

14:42 Speaker 13: make it on the record, and we had done two

14:45 Speaker 13: records before that, so I've done three records with Bill

14:48 Speaker 13: playing bass wow, And there was just a lot of material.

14:52 Speaker 13: And so my idea was originally to get in the

14:54 Speaker 13: studio with Bill and everybody and film it and document it.

14:59 Speaker 13: And then Bill health has you know, he's been dealing

15:01 Speaker 13: with a lot of challenges. He hasn't really been back

15:03 Speaker 13: to the studio, and Peter Applebaum, the sax player, suggested

15:11 Speaker 13: Jonathan Marron come in and he basically learned a lot

15:14 Speaker 13: of Bill's basslines no for note wow, but then he

15:17 Speaker 13: improvised on top of that.

15:19 Speaker 11: So I say, like the first part of every.

15:20 Speaker 13: One of these songs is a straight Bill Laswell bassline,

15:23 Speaker 13: and then he took it where.

15:25 Speaker 11: It needs to go.

15:25 Speaker 13: So there was a lot of Jonathan involved as well.

15:29 Speaker 3: In terms of him coming in and doing that. Did

15:31 Speaker 3: you sort of guide him and say, you know, at

15:33 Speaker 3: least for the start of it, try to do what

15:36 Speaker 3: Bill was doing? Or I mean, how much latitude did

15:38 Speaker 3: you give him? I guess is what I'm really asking.

15:40 Speaker 3: Or did you tell him, you know, go crazy, do

15:41 Speaker 3: what you want and we'll see what happens, or how

15:44 Speaker 3: did you approach that?

15:46 Speaker 13: Yeah, I sent him a bunch of recorded music, and

15:49 Speaker 13: you know, Jonathan Maren is just one of the best

15:51 Speaker 13: bass players I've ever worked with. It's a super talented guy,

15:55 Speaker 13: and he learned everything, and he came with, you know,

15:59 Speaker 13: like an ipatty and everything kind of ready to go

16:02 Speaker 13: exactly like on the recording, and it's like, don't don't

16:06 Speaker 13: worry about that. None of us are going to play

16:08 Speaker 13: the track accurately. We're going to start. All of this

16:11 Speaker 13: will be out the window within two minutes. But like

16:14 Speaker 13: you know, for nights on that baseline in the beginning,

16:16 Speaker 13: that's that's Bill's baseline, you know, Okay, pretty much.

16:19 Speaker 11: That's that's his baseline.

16:21 Speaker 13: And Bill has a vocabulary baselines, and you know, he

16:25 Speaker 13: has just all this work that he's created.

16:27 Speaker 11: He's it's so.

16:28 Speaker 13: It's very distinctly his composition. But then you know, Jonathan

16:32 Speaker 13: certainly and the rest of the band certainly took it

16:34 Speaker 13: wherever it needed to go in the moment, and everything

16:37 Speaker 13: else I'd say was fully one hundred percent in provods

16:39 Speaker 13: except for the baseline.

16:40 Speaker 3: Really, no kidding, Wow, that's incredible. Tell us who about

16:44 Speaker 3: working with DJ Logic on turntables.

16:48 Speaker 11: He's the best.

16:48 Speaker 12: Yeah, he's the best.

16:51 Speaker 11: He's the best.

16:51 Speaker 13: I met him through the great Bernie Warrel many years ago. Yeah,

16:56 Speaker 13: I had the honor of working with Bernie of times,

17:00 Speaker 13: which will always be the highlight from my musical experience.

17:04 Speaker 11: May he rest in peace.

17:05 Speaker 13: And we did a show and he just brought J

17:09 Speaker 13: Logic alone to hang out and just and Logic gave

17:12 Speaker 13: me his number on a napkin with the marker. He's like,

17:14 Speaker 13: this is dope, man, here's And then after that, for

17:17 Speaker 13: a long time we tried to figure out how to

17:18 Speaker 13: get together. And then once we were in the studio,

17:21 Speaker 13: the first time we've been in the studio fair amount

17:23 Speaker 13: and man, I love that awesome human beings, just great

17:27 Speaker 13: person and phenomenal talent obviously.

17:30 Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, clearly and everything. I mean, you know, you

17:33 Speaker 3: sit right in with what you were doing, that's for sure.

17:36 Speaker 3: Oh yeah. So now what's what is the live situation

17:41 Speaker 3: with this project? Are you playing these songs out live?

17:44 Speaker 3: Or will you be? And I'm curious about that.

17:47 Speaker 11: I've been doing. I have been doing some shows.

17:51 Speaker 13: I think I have you know, four or five shows

17:54 Speaker 13: coming up this summer. I'm playing different tracks from sort

17:58 Speaker 13: of the full catalog of everything ever put out. And

18:02 Speaker 13: you know there's a sort of iteration of the band

18:05 Speaker 13: that's that's been out there working a little bit, and

18:07 Speaker 13: we do.

18:07 Speaker 11: Have quite a lot coming up. Yeah, yeah, we're doing it.

18:11 Speaker 3: Oh outstanding, outstanding. And you're also the co founder of

18:14 Speaker 3: Knowledge Records. Is that correct?

18:17 Speaker 4: Yeah?

18:17 Speaker 11: My brother and I started Knowledge Records a long time ago.

18:20 Speaker 13: It it you know, it doesn't do much except just uh,

18:24 Speaker 13: put out stuff that I work on. OK, someday there's

18:27 Speaker 13: I'd love to do more. I'd love to figure out

18:30 Speaker 13: how to you know, there's so many talented artists around

18:33 Speaker 13: people that I know that I you know, it's I'd

18:36 Speaker 13: love to find some you know, wealthy billionaire that's like there,

18:42 Speaker 13: just take all this money and make as many records

18:44 Speaker 13: as you want.

18:45 Speaker 3: No doubt. And you're a You're in an epicenter of music, right,

18:49 Speaker 3: I mean you're in New York, is that correct?

18:51 Speaker 13: You know, I'm based out of New York. My wife

18:53 Speaker 13: is working for Penn State University. You know, I'm born

18:56 Speaker 13: and raised in New York, so I'm sort of doing

18:59 Speaker 13: a lot of back and forth on Route eighty right now, nodding, yeah, yeah, yeah,

19:05 Speaker 13: you know, all the musicians are based out of New York,

19:08 Speaker 13: and you know, my family, we still have our apartment

19:10 Speaker 13: in New York where I grew up. But yeah, I've

19:12 Speaker 13: been spending more time outside of the city, and I

19:15 Speaker 13: found that people are really uh, there's a really great

19:18 Speaker 13: listener base when you get out of the city, and

19:21 Speaker 13: I'm trying to work with that more. You know, take

19:24 Speaker 13: the music where people are hungry to hear.

19:26 Speaker 3: It, right right, which is everywhere.

19:29 Speaker 11: So that's everywhere.

19:30 Speaker 3: So that's good, you know. And of course, obviously, you know,

19:32 Speaker 3: we live in a time because of the Internet where

19:34 Speaker 3: you can you know, you can reach people anywhere, which

19:37 Speaker 3: is wonderful. Yeah, and tell us about loud. You also

19:41 Speaker 3: have a project called loud Apartment.

19:44 Speaker 11: Yeah.

19:44 Speaker 13: That was the first kind of project name that I

19:48 Speaker 13: had because I never wanted it to be my own name.

19:51 Speaker 13: It's kind of Bill's fault that it ended up being

19:52 Speaker 13: my name again, And he was when he did reverberations.

19:55 Speaker 13: He was like, no, that's a cool name. You know,

19:58 Speaker 13: it's it's like Santana. It's a good reference point. Now

20:01 Speaker 13: you should use that, And I don't know. I kind

20:03 Speaker 13: of was like, okay, but I liked I used a

20:06 Speaker 13: loud Apartment for a while, put out three records and

20:09 Speaker 13: did a bunch of playing us loud Apartment. But really

20:12 Speaker 13: it's the same, just project name for whatever I'm working on.

20:15 Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a cool name.

20:16 Speaker 8: I like it.

20:17 Speaker 3: Loud Apartment. That's a cool name. So so Bill's a

20:20 Speaker 3: one convince you to use Navarus. I mean, he's not wrong.

20:24 Speaker 3: I mean it is a cool name. It is avocative

20:28 Speaker 3: of Santana. I like it.

20:29 Speaker 13: Yeah, he's very involved in all aspects of a project,

20:35 Speaker 13: from the art to the song order.

20:36 Speaker 11: It's really cool.

20:37 Speaker 13: Like it was an absolute honor to work with Bill

20:40 Speaker 13: over the years, and that's one of the things I

20:42 Speaker 13: loved about working with him.

20:43 Speaker 11: Is it was never just one part of it.

20:45 Speaker 13: He kind of understands how to make a record from

20:48 Speaker 13: start to finish and all the different parts involved.

20:51 Speaker 3: How did that You might have touched on it. Forgive

20:53 Speaker 3: me if I'm forgetting, but how did how did that

20:55 Speaker 3: come about? Where you first began working with Bill Laslow

20:58 Speaker 3: Bill Laswell.

21:00 Speaker 13: Through a singer named Garrison Hawk ak Hawkman reggae singer,

21:05 Speaker 13: great singer, most known for Blowback with Tricky, all the

21:09 Speaker 13: reggae stuff on that. But he's he's been out there

21:13 Speaker 13: for a long time and he's one of my best friends.

21:16 Speaker 13: And he was working with Bill and I got hired

21:21 Speaker 13: to produce the track for one of his records and

21:23 Speaker 13: Bill mixed it and when I got the mill, when

21:25 Speaker 13: I got the mixed back, I was like, oh man,

21:28 Speaker 13: this is this is who I need to work with

21:31 Speaker 13: and was very persistent in trying to figure out how

21:33 Speaker 13: to make that happen more consistently.

21:35 Speaker 3: Yeah. Well, and apparently you succeeded. So that's that's wonderful, outstanding.

21:40 Speaker 3: So what's what's next for this project? Do you intend

21:44 Speaker 3: to you know, obviously, I mean the sound sessions ep

21:47 Speaker 3: is great, do you uh is there going to be

21:49 Speaker 3: a follow up to this with the same sort of

21:51 Speaker 3: configuration and approach to doing it?

21:54 Speaker 11: I think so.

21:55 Speaker 13: I think I would like to do it again, maybe

21:58 Speaker 13: the exact same configurations. It's fun sometimes to repeat things,

22:02 Speaker 13: you know, identically, same room, be like, hey, let's let's

22:06 Speaker 13: try this one more time, maybe play a little longer,

22:08 Speaker 13: put something together. In the meantime, I have a record

22:12 Speaker 13: coming out called mind Funk, which has a.

22:14 Speaker 11: Lot of the same guys. That's almost done.

22:17 Speaker 13: And uh, yeah, there's some very exciting surprise guests on

22:22 Speaker 13: that then talking about Yeah, one of them is Booty Collins.

22:26 Speaker 11: I'll tell you that.

22:27 Speaker 8: Really that's awesome playing.

22:30 Speaker 13: Yeah, he's playing based on two of the tracks. I

22:31 Speaker 13: haven't really announced that yet, but yeah, he's he's going

22:34 Speaker 13: to be on it. So I am very excited to

22:37 Speaker 13: put this out and just I'm just trying to keep moving, man, Yeah,

22:41 Speaker 13: keep it moving.

22:41 Speaker 3: That's what you gotta do. That's what you gotta do.

22:43 Speaker 3: Booty Collins, boy, talk about a legend. That's amazing.

22:45 Speaker 13: I know it was a shock when the track came back,

22:50 Speaker 13: and that is fully Bill Aswell's work. You know, Bill

22:54 Speaker 13: is Uh, it's it's really been awesome to know him

22:56 Speaker 13: and you know you in terms of his health struggles,

23:00 Speaker 13: it's it's something you can do. I don't like to

23:01 Speaker 13: be the one to talk about it, but you can

23:03 Speaker 13: read about it. There's go fund these and all you know,

23:06 Speaker 13: ways to support him. And you know, he's he's he's still,

23:09 Speaker 13: he's still you know, finding out how to keep creatively

23:13 Speaker 13: working and you know, keeping things happening.

23:16 Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, one hundred. Well, very good. Well listen, Augustin.

23:20 Speaker 3: We'll let you go in a moment, but let me

23:23 Speaker 3: ask you, well two things. First, let me ask you

23:25 Speaker 3: where is the best place to go online for people

23:27 Speaker 3: to keep up with everything that you are doing, everything

23:30 Speaker 3: with navars and anything else that you want people to

23:32 Speaker 3: know about. Where should people go online to keep up

23:34 Speaker 3: with you?

23:35 Speaker 13: Navars dot net and E V A R I S

23:38 Speaker 13: dot net that is where everything is. There's definitely music

23:41 Speaker 13: that is not on Spotify, not streaming, that is there.

23:44 Speaker 11: Oh, I have four records on there.

23:47 Speaker 13: Uh, and I'm going to be posting all the shows

23:49 Speaker 13: coming up there and yeah that's the spot Oh fantastic.

23:53 Speaker 3: Well that's easy. And the other question is what should

23:56 Speaker 3: we play at the end of our conversation. We played

24:00 Speaker 3: ninth Son to open. But I'm thinking, so we've got

24:02 Speaker 3: there's document and there's Remedy, doub Orchestra. Might be a

24:06 Speaker 3: little longest, might be might be a little long for

24:08 Speaker 3: for the radio.

24:09 Speaker 11: But but but I'll let you go for document, document.

24:13 Speaker 3: Okay, what anything special we should know about this track.

24:18 Speaker 8: Before we play?

24:19 Speaker 11: I think that that one was the chance to.

24:23 Speaker 13: You know, play some more traditional Afro Cuban rhythms with

24:28 Speaker 13: Angel Rodriguez, the Great Angel Rodriguez on congas.

24:34 Speaker 11: So that was cool. And that's Jojo Cool also.

24:40 Speaker 13: Playing percussion, who played in Felous Band after Tony Allen.

24:44 Speaker 11: So you know, there's some awesome people involved.

24:47 Speaker 13: And uh, there is a go fundme for Jojo because

24:50 Speaker 13: he just had an operation on his heart, so I

24:53 Speaker 13: shout that out. Cool, you look him up, he's playing

24:56 Speaker 13: on it. And really just a great group of people.

25:00 Speaker 13: It was a joy to work on it. No no arguing,

25:03 Speaker 13: no stress, just playing music.

25:05 Speaker 3: It's fantastic and you know, the success of it is

25:08 Speaker 3: evident and the end result. So definitely definitely a good

25:11 Speaker 3: group of people you put together for this. Absolutely no, no,

25:14 Speaker 3: I love it. I love it. The EP is incredible.

25:16 Speaker 3: All right, Augustin will let you go. We're gonna hit

25:18 Speaker 3: that track, but I'm sure we will talk again as

25:20 Speaker 3: you're releasing new music. Sounds like you got a lot

25:22 Speaker 3: coming up, so we'll definitely have you back.

25:24 Speaker 11: Awesome. I appreciate it. Have a beautiful day, all.

25:27 Speaker 3: Right, Augustin Navaris. Thank you. We'll talk to you soon.

25:29 Speaker 11: Bye bye.

25:31 Speaker 3: All right. That is Augustin Navarus of the Project Navarus.

25:35 Speaker 3: Of course, check out Sound Session. It's a fantastic for

25:38 Speaker 3: a track EP. We're gonna play another song from this

25:40 Speaker 3: right now. And this is called Document.

26:14 Speaker 10: And kept.

28:34 Speaker 4: Think and and and and.

30:51 Speaker 10: And game fast three game name.

31:57 Speaker 13: In m.

33:01 Speaker 3: That is so cool. That is called the Document. That is Navars.

33:05 Speaker 3: And thank you again to Augustin Navarus for joining us earlier.

33:08 Speaker 3: By the way, the EP is called sound Session. Four tracks,

33:10 Speaker 3: really really good and I really enjoyed our conversation with him.

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33:41 Speaker 3: how people react to this on social media or if

33:44 Speaker 3: you are listening live. Of course, you can always chime

33:47 Speaker 3: in in the chat room as well. Because I say

33:50 Speaker 3: that because I have what maybe among people who are

33:54 Speaker 3: active in the music industry as I am and a

33:57 Speaker 3: lot of our audiences people in the music and I

34:00 Speaker 3: have what maybe an unpopular opinion about this. I'm not

34:04 Speaker 3: sure though. So this is something that the Supreme Court

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34:19 Speaker 3: could be you know, we use the term landmark ruling.

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34:27 Speaker 3: You know, we don't do politics on this iteration of

34:29 Speaker 3: the show. But this isn't political. This is but it does.

34:32 Speaker 3: It is something that affects the music industry, and I

34:36 Speaker 3: have my opinion about this might be a little bit unpopular.

34:38 Speaker 3: We'll see, we'll get into it, but I actually agree

34:41 Speaker 3: with the Supreme Court's ruling on this in a time

34:44 Speaker 3: where you know, I may not agree with a lot

34:47 Speaker 3: of Supreme Court rulings, but I do agree on this.

34:50 Speaker 3: But I'll be very curious to get audience feedback, either

34:52 Speaker 3: live and or afterward on social media. But this is

34:56 Speaker 3: from one of my favorite websites for music industry news,

34:59 Speaker 3: music businessworldwide dot com. US Supreme Court. This has happened

35:04 Speaker 3: this week. US Supreme Court sides with Cox Communications in

35:08 Speaker 3: landmark music piracy case brought by record labels. Okay, so

35:13 Speaker 3: here's the article. This we'll explain. The US Supreme Court

35:16 Speaker 3: has ruled that internet service provider Coxcommunications cannot be held

35:22 Speaker 3: responsible for music piracy committed by its subscribers, ending a

35:28 Speaker 3: landmark copyright case in which the major record companies had

35:32 Speaker 3: won a one billion dollar jury verdict. This this was unanimous.

35:38 Speaker 3: By the way, the unanimous decision by the Supreme Court

35:42 Speaker 3: was handed down on March twenty five, so this was

35:44 Speaker 3: just a few days ago. Justice Clarence Thomas writing for

35:47 Speaker 3: the Court. Again, if you know me, we don't get

35:51 Speaker 3: into politics on this iteration of the show but not anymore.

35:55 Speaker 3: We used to a long time ago. But if you

35:57 Speaker 3: know me, you know again, Justice Thomas not someone I

36:00 Speaker 3: would necessarily agree with much, if ever, but he's got

36:05 Speaker 3: it right here. In my opinion, Justice Clarence Thomas, writing

36:08 Speaker 3: for the court, said that Cox quote neither induced its

36:12 Speaker 3: users infringement nor provided a service tailored to infringement. So,

36:18 Speaker 3: in other words, saying that an Internet service provider, just

36:22 Speaker 3: because they are providing you Internet service does not mean

36:27 Speaker 3: that that somehow is inducing you to do something illegal

36:31 Speaker 3: like piracy, like infringing on somebody's copyright. They're just providing

36:35 Speaker 3: you the service.

36:37 Speaker 12: You know.

36:40 Speaker 3: He's right, uh, he also said. He also wrote in

36:43 Speaker 3: his opinion quote, Cox provided Internet service to its subscribers,

36:47 Speaker 3: but it did not intend for that service to be

36:51 Speaker 3: used to commit copyright infringement. Holding Cox liable merely for

36:57 Speaker 3: failing to terminate Internet service to en fringing accounts would

37:01 Speaker 3: expand secondary copyright liability beyond our precedence. Unquote. Again, if

37:07 Speaker 3: you know me, you won't hear me say this often,

37:10 Speaker 3: if ever. But in this case, Justice Clarence Thomas got

37:13 Speaker 3: this right. He's right. I agree absolutely. Now. The reason

37:17 Speaker 3: I say this may be an unpopular opinion within some

37:21 Speaker 3: of with some of our audience and people in the

37:23 Speaker 3: music industry who listen to the show. Is there are

37:25 Speaker 3: some in the music industry who are who are upset

37:27 Speaker 3: about this, who say, no, piracy is uh has always

37:32 Speaker 3: been a problem, and we need to do whatever we

37:34 Speaker 3: can to tamp down piracy and copyright infringement. And look,

37:40 Speaker 3: I am someone who again, if you know me, if

37:43 Speaker 3: you know my background, if you're a regular listener to

37:46 Speaker 3: the show, you know that ultimately, I will always advocate

37:48 Speaker 3: on behalf of artists and the music industry that you know,

37:52 Speaker 3: the people, not necessarily the major labels who but well,

37:57 Speaker 3: we won't get into that, and certainly not I won't

38:00 Speaker 3: advocate on behalf of Live Nation and Ticketmaster, but we

38:02 Speaker 3: won't get in all of that. But I'm saying artists

38:05 Speaker 3: making money, making a living, which is much harder than

38:07 Speaker 3: people might realize, Artists making a living within the music

38:11 Speaker 3: industry and being paid for their work. I will always

38:14 Speaker 3: advocate on behalf of that, always, always, always, That's what

38:18 Speaker 3: I care about most is artists getting getting paid, being

38:22 Speaker 3: compensated for their work, and being able to make a living.

38:24 Speaker 3: It's it's crucial it's critical, and we talk about that

38:27 Speaker 3: a lot on the show, especially with AI and and

38:29 Speaker 3: the advent of all this AI generated music and the

38:32 Speaker 3: threats that that that that holds, and and you know,

38:35 Speaker 3: we talk about this stuff all the time on the program.

38:38 Speaker 3: But I do think it's a little bit absurd this

38:42 Speaker 3: idea that you're going to hold Internet service providers responsible

38:48 Speaker 3: and make them have to pay for what individual users

38:52 Speaker 3: are doing. That would be like, uh, you knowing auto

39:01 Speaker 3: manufacturers every time someone gets into a car accident where

39:07 Speaker 3: somebody ends up dead, you know, is it the is

39:10 Speaker 3: it the the fault of the auto manufacturers for producing

39:14 Speaker 3: a product that someone uses to accidentally kill someone on

39:18 Speaker 3: the highway. You know, let's see some common sense. Let's

39:22 Speaker 3: be reasonable and rational about this. And again some people

39:25 Speaker 3: will say, Matt, we have to do whatever we can,

39:28 Speaker 3: literally whatever we can to stop piracy, to stop people

39:33 Speaker 3: from having their copyrights infringed upon. I understand that, but

39:37 Speaker 3: but we also again we have to be reasonable and

39:40 Speaker 3: use common sense, and so to hold Internet service providers

39:44 Speaker 3: responsible for what individual users are doing, whether it's piracy,

39:49 Speaker 3: whether it's using the dark web to do other things

39:53 Speaker 3: that are illegal, accessing the dark web, whatever, it is right,

39:59 Speaker 3: you know, unless the internet service provider is somehow and again,

40:04 Speaker 3: as Justice Thomas said, there's no inducing of individual users

40:08 Speaker 3: to commit fraud or to do any kind of illegal activity,

40:11 Speaker 3: you know, unless you have an internet service provider who

40:14 Speaker 3: is marketing their service in a way that they're actually

40:17 Speaker 3: saying somewhere in their marketing by the way, you know,

40:20 Speaker 3: you can do whatever you want. You can do illegal

40:22 Speaker 3: things if you use our internet service, and we won't

40:25 Speaker 3: even uh nobody will even get mad at you about it,

40:28 Speaker 3: you know. But obviously that's not happening. Okay, So more

40:32 Speaker 3: to this article. Again, this is from Music Businessworldwide dot com.

40:35 Speaker 3: Commenting on the decision, Mitch Glazier our IAA chairman and

40:40 Speaker 3: CEO CEO said, and okay, so here's the dissenting opinion,

40:43 Speaker 3: dissenting against me. I feel like I'm the dissenting opinion

40:46 Speaker 3: because again I feel like I have an unpopular opinion

40:49 Speaker 3: about this within the music industry. Here's here's what Mitch

40:53 Speaker 3: Glazier said. Again, he's the RIAA chairman and CEO. He said, quote,

40:58 Speaker 3: we are disappointed in the courts decision vacating a jury's

41:02 Speaker 3: determination that Cox Communications contributed to mass scale copyright infringement

41:08 Speaker 3: based on overwhelming evidence that the company knowingly facilitated theft,

41:15 Speaker 3: knowingly facilitated theft. Come on, so, by that logic, you know,

41:25 Speaker 3: take the music industry, take the piracy part out of it.

41:27 Speaker 3: Let's just you know, back up and take a broader

41:31 Speaker 3: view of this and what he's saying. By that logic,

41:35 Speaker 3: anything that anyone ever does that might be illegal, It

41:40 Speaker 3: might be fraudulent, that might be deceptive. On the Internet,

41:44 Speaker 3: if they're using Coxcommunications for their Internet service, anything anybody

41:48 Speaker 3: ever does online while using that service, well it's it

41:53 Speaker 3: was facilitated by by the internet service provider. I mean,

41:59 Speaker 3: that's absurd, that's crazy. That's that's that's truly, that's that's

42:03 Speaker 3: an insane standard. How could any business live up to

42:07 Speaker 3: that and and and be held responsible for that. That's

42:12 Speaker 3: nuts to me. Um he said more Mitch Glazier said

42:19 Speaker 3: more quote. To be effective, copyright law must protect creators

42:22 Speaker 3: and markets from harmful infringement, and policymakers should look closely

42:26 Speaker 3: at the impact of this ruling. The Court's decision is narrow,

42:29 Speaker 3: applying only to contributory infringement cases involving defendants like Cocks

42:34 Speaker 3: that do not themselves, copy, hosts, distributor publish infringing material,

42:38 Speaker 3: or control or induce such activity unquote. The ruling means

42:47 Speaker 3: that simply knowing some subscribers are pirating music and continuing

42:52 Speaker 3: to provide them with Internet access is not enough to

42:55 Speaker 3: make an ISP liable for copyright infringement. Right because again

43:01 Speaker 3: the ISP, Yeah, they know that some people are pirating music.

43:06 Speaker 3: Of course they do, because we all know that. But

43:12 Speaker 3: is there I guess maybe there's an implicit expectation that

43:16 Speaker 3: the ISP is supposed to detect who aspirraty music and

43:22 Speaker 3: then turn off their service. Is that Is that what

43:25 Speaker 3: we're expecting?

43:25 Speaker 8: Oh?

43:25 Speaker 3: What could possibly go wrong there? I mean, come on,

43:31 Speaker 3: this is this is crazy. So again I agree with

43:33 Speaker 3: the court's decision. There's more to this. Under the standard

43:37 Speaker 3: set of today's set. By today's decision, rights holders must

43:42 Speaker 3: provide either must prove either that a provider actively encouraged

43:47 Speaker 3: infringement or that its service was designed for piracy with

43:51 Speaker 3: no real lawful use. Internet access, the court said, clearly

43:55 Speaker 3: has many lawful purposes. The case dates back to twenty eighteen,

43:59 Speaker 3: when Sony Music, Universal Music Group, Warner Music Group, and

44:02 Speaker 3: dozens of other rights holders sued Cox, arguing the company

44:06 Speaker 3: ignored over one hundred and sixty three thousand infringement notices

44:11 Speaker 3: about subscribers illegally downloading more than ten thousand copyrighted songs.

44:16 Speaker 3: The labels pointed to evidence that a Cox manager overseeing

44:21 Speaker 3: piracy compliance told his team to quote f the DMCA

44:27 Speaker 3: unquote and the DMCA is a law that is designed

44:32 Speaker 3: to I wish I could remember exactly what it stands

44:34 Speaker 3: for digital media copyright? Is that the Digital Media Copyright

44:39 Speaker 3: Act Again, it's an anti piracy law. A jury sided

44:45 Speaker 3: with the labels in twenty nineteen, awarding one billion dollars.

44:48 Speaker 3: The Fourth Circuit Court of Appeals partially overturned the verdict

44:52 Speaker 3: in twenty twenty four, throwing out the vicarious liability finding

44:56 Speaker 3: but keeping the contributory infringement ruling and ordering a retrial

45:02 Speaker 3: on damages that could have reached one point five billion.

45:06 Speaker 3: The Supreme Court took up the case last June, heard

45:08 Speaker 3: oral arguments in December, and has now reversed the remaining

45:11 Speaker 3: contributory liability, including finding entirely the Thomas opinion laid out

45:17 Speaker 3: two and only two paths to contributory copyright liability. The

45:21 Speaker 3: first is inducement, where a provider actively promotes its service

45:25 Speaker 3: as a tool for piracy, as in a landmark two

45:29 Speaker 3: thousand and five MGM versus Groster ruling involving file sharing software.

45:34 Speaker 3: By the way, remember if you're old enough to remember

45:38 Speaker 3: two thousand and five, early to mid two thousands, that's

45:42 Speaker 3: the era of napster. That's the era of mass panic

45:48 Speaker 3: and I do mean panic within the music industry about

45:52 Speaker 3: file sharing. That was when in two thousand and five,

45:56 Speaker 3: I was still working for trans World Entertainment, which owned

45:58 Speaker 3: Strawberries and Fye and all of that at the time,

46:01 Speaker 3: and there was panic because it was I remember having

46:06 Speaker 3: conversations with people where I just, you know, kind of

46:09 Speaker 3: shrugging and said, well, music is free. Now that's it.

46:14 Speaker 3: You can't stop it, you can't help it. Music is

46:16 Speaker 3: now free. What are you gonna do? But anyway, so

46:22 Speaker 3: that's why I say, you know, two thousand and five,

46:24 Speaker 3: remember what was happening into Again, if you're old enough,

46:26 Speaker 3: remember what was happening in two thousand and five within

46:29 Speaker 3: the music industry at that time. Okay, So the second

46:32 Speaker 3: path is where a service is specifically tailored to infringement

46:35 Speaker 3: and has no real commercial use beyond piracy. So now,

46:39 Speaker 3: so when you're talking about that, I mean, I don't

46:41 Speaker 3: know of an Internet service provider anywhere that actively promotes

46:45 Speaker 3: itself as a service designed specifically for piracy. Now, there's

46:50 Speaker 3: lots and lots of websites. I won't get into how

46:53 Speaker 3: I know that you can do that. You can you

46:56 Speaker 3: can download things that you otherwise might be required to

47:00 Speaker 3: pay for. But I don't know of an Internet service

47:05 Speaker 3: provider that actively markets themselves as Hey, if you need

47:09 Speaker 3: to pirate something, where where the place to go for it?

47:13 Speaker 3: I don't know that. Okay, So Cox, the court found

47:17 Speaker 3: met neither test. The company had contractually prohibited subscribers from

47:22 Speaker 3: using its service to infringe copyrights, sent warnings, suspended services,

47:26 Speaker 3: and terminated accounts. The opinion stated, quote, this Court has

47:31 Speaker 3: repeatedly made clear that mere knowledge that a service will

47:35 Speaker 3: be used to infringe is insufficient to establish the required

47:39 Speaker 3: intent to infringe. Elsewhere in the opinion, Thomas wrote, quote

47:44 Speaker 3: based on this theory of infringement respondence, Sony Music Entertainment,

47:50 Speaker 3: and other major copyright owners secured a billion dollar verdict

47:54 Speaker 3: against Cox. The United States Court of Appeals of the

47:58 Speaker 3: Fourth Circuit agreed that because Cox provided Internet service to

48:02 Speaker 3: known infringers, it was a willful infringer itself. Under our precedence,

48:09 Speaker 3: a company is not liable as a copyright infringer for

48:12 Speaker 3: merely providing a service to the general public with knowledge

48:15 Speaker 3: that it will be used by some to infringe copyrights. Accordingly,

48:18 Speaker 3: we reverse unquote yeah, because even if you know and look,

48:25 Speaker 3: even if you know that there are specific people, maybe

48:30 Speaker 3: customers you've had in the past who have bought your

48:34 Speaker 3: internet service, you know that these people have been flagged

48:37 Speaker 3: previously for copyright infringement, for piracy somehow they've been flagged.

48:43 Speaker 3: What are you gonna do? So you're never going to

48:46 Speaker 3: give them service again? Do they just depending on where

48:50 Speaker 3: they live. I mean, look, depending on where you are geographically,

48:52 Speaker 3: you might have very limited options for home internet service.

48:56 Speaker 3: So does someone who may have got caught or have

49:00 Speaker 3: been at least noticed by an internet service provider at

49:03 Speaker 3: some point in the past, you know, downloaded something that

49:07 Speaker 3: maybe they didn't pay for, maybe they pirated something. So

49:10 Speaker 3: now they just don't get to have internet ever again.

49:13 Speaker 3: I mean, what are you supposed to do again? From

49:15 Speaker 3: just let's be practical about it, think about it practically

49:20 Speaker 3: what do you want these Internet service providers to do?

49:27 Speaker 3: There's no practical way for them to do what you

49:31 Speaker 3: want them to do. If what you want them to

49:33 Speaker 3: do is make sure that nobody ever pirates anything, it's

49:37 Speaker 3: it's it's an unfair, untenable burden to be placing on

49:42 Speaker 3: these Internet service providers. So the ruling also found that

49:49 Speaker 3: the Fourth Circuit had gone wrong by creating a broader

49:53 Speaker 3: form of liability, holding that quote supplying a product with

49:56 Speaker 3: knowledge that the recipient will use it to infringe copyrights

50:00 Speaker 3: was enough. The Supreme Court said this conflicted with decades

50:03 Speaker 3: of its own case law. Justice Sonia Soda Mayor, joined

50:08 Speaker 3: by Justice Kaitanji Brown Jackson, agreed Cox should not be

50:13 Speaker 3: liable in this case, but warned that the majority's ruling

50:16 Speaker 3: goes too far. Soda Mayor argued that it strips ISPs

50:19 Speaker 3: of any real reason to deal with piracy on their networks,

50:22 Speaker 3: making the DMCA's Safe Harbor rules pointless. Those rules require

50:26 Speaker 3: ISPs to cut off repeat infringers in exchange for legal protection.

50:30 Speaker 3: She wrote that the majority's decision completely upends the balance

50:33 Speaker 3: Congress created end quote consigns the Safe Harbor provision to obsolescence,

50:39 Speaker 3: adding that ISPs no longer face any realistic probability of

50:42 Speaker 3: secondary liability for copyright infringement, regardless of whether they take

50:45 Speaker 3: steps to address infringement on their networks unquote. So again,

50:57 Speaker 3: I agree with the Supreme Court's decision on this, and

51:02 Speaker 3: but I'll be very curious, Like I said, I will

51:04 Speaker 3: be very curious to see on social media how you

51:07 Speaker 3: all feel about it, or you know, on YouTube, you

51:10 Speaker 3: can you know, we stream the show on YouTube, you

51:12 Speaker 3: can leave comments and so forth. But I really do

51:14 Speaker 3: want to get feedback on this, because, like I said,

51:17 Speaker 3: I know that my opinion may be unpopular in some circles,

51:21 Speaker 3: and but I'm happy to I'm happy to fight it

51:24 Speaker 3: out with anyone who wants to. All right, we are

51:28 Speaker 3: approaching the top of the hour. Here's what we're gonna do.

51:29 Speaker 3: We're gonna play another track right before we show some

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52:12 Speaker 3: going to have to ask the guests. Am I saying

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52:23 Speaker 3: I think he's gonna be bringing others with him, or

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52:30 Speaker 3: up comedy, so looking forward to that as well. So

52:32 Speaker 3: we've got a lot more to come. If you are

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