Matt Connarton Unleashed 3-28-26 hour 2

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2:49 Speaker 7: All right? That is Katie's wart. The band is ek Schnock.

2:52 Speaker 7: We'll see if I'm pronouncing that correctly when we talked

2:54 Speaker 7: to our guests in a moment. But welcome everybody. We

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3:17 Speaker 7: twenty eight, twenty twenty six, and I believe via WhatsApp

3:21 Speaker 7: we have David Rausch from A K Schnack.

3:25 Speaker 6: Hello David, good morning, Matt and WMNH listeners. Great to

3:29 Speaker 6: speak with you, guys.

3:31 Speaker 7: I'm excited to have you on. This project is really interesting.

3:34 Speaker 7: So let's clear this up right off the bat, though,

3:36 Speaker 7: am I pronouncing the name anywhere close to correctly?

3:40 Speaker 6: You are absolutely close. You are totally perfect at K schnuck.

3:45 Speaker 6: You could not be closer. Perfect pronunciation at K schnock.

3:48 Speaker 7: Okay, wonderful, wonderful. Well, so let's get this out of

3:51 Speaker 7: the way.

3:51 Speaker 6: What does the name mean, in a combination of Latin

3:57 Speaker 6: and personal nonsense? Means hey, look at this. In Latin,

4:04 Speaker 6: the word eke means behold, and schnock is a word

4:08 Speaker 6: I made up when I was a young dude that

4:11 Speaker 6: means whatever you want it to. So ek schnack means

4:15 Speaker 6: hey look at this, or hey check this out.

4:18 Speaker 7: Okay, okay, oh wonderful. So yeah, I'm really curious to

4:22 Speaker 7: ask you about this. I mean, what, how do you

4:24 Speaker 7: describe How do you describe your music? Because this is

4:27 Speaker 7: not something that fits into a particular genre. Obviously, you

4:30 Speaker 7: know there's elements of metal. When you hear the guitars,

4:33 Speaker 7: you know that becomes clear. The lyrics are are very unique,

4:37 Speaker 7: and is that you singing are you the lead vocalist.

4:40 Speaker 6: Yeah, so that you know, I want it to sound

4:44 Speaker 6: like a weird, scary old lady. So we just pitched

4:49 Speaker 6: my voice up a little bit, but that is me.

4:53 Speaker 6: So yeah. And the music I think of it as

4:58 Speaker 6: on art rocks style that has three basic qualities, Like

5:04 Speaker 6: you said, heavy music, there's you know, also pop music

5:09 Speaker 6: broadly defined, and classical music too. It's kind of a

5:15 Speaker 6: nephew of Frank Zappa or Queen. So it's an art

5:24 Speaker 6: music with those three main qualities heavy music, pop music,

5:28 Speaker 6: and classical music.

5:30 Speaker 7: Okay, okay, And yeah, so you're really genre blurring there,

5:33 Speaker 7: which is cool because you know, it gives you It

5:36 Speaker 7: gives you an ability to sound like something that's unlike

5:39 Speaker 7: anything else anyone has ever done. I honestly can't think

5:42 Speaker 7: of anything that sounds quite like this project. And is

5:45 Speaker 7: that important to you? I don't know. I don't know

5:48 Speaker 7: if you've done other projects that were more sort of

5:51 Speaker 7: mainstream for lack of a better word, But is it

5:53 Speaker 7: important to you as an artist to really do something

5:55 Speaker 7: that's unique and to stand out and not just be

5:59 Speaker 7: kind of following what ever whatever trends are out there, not.

6:03 Speaker 6: In its own sake. I don't have a goal to

6:09 Speaker 6: do that for itself. But I've always struggled to keep

6:17 Speaker 6: my creative instincts in one vein, I remember that actually

6:24 Speaker 6: a band I love, I don't know them super well,

6:27 Speaker 6: but but what I've heard of them I really love

6:29 Speaker 6: Will Go. I think the bassist in an interview said

6:34 Speaker 6: something like, you know what will Go albums will sound

6:39 Speaker 6: like we have our our universe that we work in

6:44 Speaker 6: and we're going to stay there, and you know, we'll

6:49 Speaker 6: we'll we'll push its boundaries here and there.

6:51 Speaker 8: But but you know, the the the things we do

7:00 Speaker 8: broadly speaking, which is totally respectable, totally that's that's great.

7:07 Speaker 8: If that's the way you know, you end up becoming

7:11 Speaker 8: creative world. For me personally, I've never been able to

7:16 Speaker 8: exhaust my interests as a songwriter by staying in one genre.

7:23 Speaker 8: So I jump around from one genre to another, like

7:27 Speaker 8: I'm playing with boats in a lake, and you know,

7:34 Speaker 8: jumping in one boat and then letting a friend capsize it,

7:38 Speaker 8: and then jumping in their boat and capsizing theirs. I

7:42 Speaker 8: look at them more like that instead of a space

7:46 Speaker 8: that if I leave my spacesuit, my eyes explode or

7:50 Speaker 8: my blood, vessels burst, or whatever happens in that circumstance.

7:54 Speaker 7: So yeah, it sounds like you would kind of get

7:57 Speaker 7: bored if you were in a project where it was

7:59 Speaker 7: like you had you had certain parameters that Yeah, that's

8:01 Speaker 7: always interesting too. When artists they obviously as they become

8:05 Speaker 7: more successful and they kind of develop a formula for

8:08 Speaker 7: what seems to work for them commercially, and that does

8:11 Speaker 7: create sort of those parameters, and some artists can push

8:14 Speaker 7: the boundaries. Some artists have to stay locked in, you know,

8:17 Speaker 7: like if you know ACDC, just as a random example

8:20 Speaker 7: of that, right, you know, they've got a formula, they've

8:22 Speaker 7: got a template, and if they venture out of that,

8:24 Speaker 7: people are going to be very confused. But it sounds

8:27 Speaker 7: like it must be very exciting to approach it the

8:29 Speaker 7: way that you do it, And I'm curious kind of

8:31 Speaker 7: drilling down on that with this project. Do you go

8:36 Speaker 7: when you do this your approach to creating these songs,

8:39 Speaker 7: do you consciously think I have to do something that's different,

8:44 Speaker 7: I have to do something that's unique that's hard to define,

8:47 Speaker 7: or is it more just sort of we're gonna see

8:51 Speaker 7: what comes out here. I'm gonna I'm gonna create this song,

8:55 Speaker 7: but I'm not trying to be different or weird or

8:58 Speaker 7: however people perceive it. I'm just trying to create whatever

9:01 Speaker 7: is in my head that I think is going to

9:03 Speaker 7: sound good.

9:05 Speaker 6: I think it's more the second one. I can't guarantee

9:13 Speaker 6: that everything I make people will love. I hope everybody

9:18 Speaker 6: loves it, but I make it to move people in

9:24 Speaker 6: some way or another. It's not too achieve some arbitrary

9:32 Speaker 6: thing of like I did something out or genre defying

9:38 Speaker 6: or whatever like for its own sake. I think it's

9:41 Speaker 6: more I kind of look at it the way I

9:46 Speaker 6: look at life generally. You know, there's such a range

9:50 Speaker 6: of kinds of experiences one can have, from incredible sorrow

9:57 Speaker 6: to joy to rage too terror to boredom, you know,

10:03 Speaker 6: and every everything in between and other stuff. And I've

10:07 Speaker 6: always thought of the genres as each like kind of

10:13 Speaker 6: paints or something, colors of different paints in that whole picture.

10:19 Speaker 6: And so, you know, there's certainly compelling folk music about anger,

10:28 Speaker 6: like Bruce Springsteen or Patti Smith or whatever. Plenty of

10:32 Speaker 6: those songs are pissed off, but you know, in terms

10:37 Speaker 6: of just the raw emotional color of rage, death, metal

10:43 Speaker 6: is the angriest to perform. On the other hand, there

10:49 Speaker 6: are converge songs that are love song. It sounds doesn't

10:53 Speaker 6: sound like it the most, you know, maybe the most

10:57 Speaker 6: immediately to some ears. Anyway, loving sound is something softer,

11:05 Speaker 6: maybe like a folk song or soul music or something

11:08 Speaker 6: like that. So I think of the genres more as

11:13 Speaker 6: just different ways of showing the vast array of experiences

11:19 Speaker 6: we can have. So that's how I use them.

11:23 Speaker 7: And how did how did this project start?

11:25 Speaker 6: This?

11:26 Speaker 7: Is it true? That started at a temple University in Philly.

11:29 Speaker 6: Yeah, that's right. So I had been actually to go

11:36 Speaker 6: on this thing about the different emotions and emotional experiences

11:41 Speaker 6: and whatever we can have as people. Originally I thought

11:45 Speaker 6: I was going to be a psychotherapist, and I had

11:49 Speaker 6: gotten out of college, went to Skidmore College and I

11:53 Speaker 6: graduated in two thousand and seven studying psychology and philosophy.

11:58 Speaker 6: And I had a job as an take worker in

12:01 Speaker 6: a behavioral healthcare center in South Philly. I saw every

12:08 Speaker 6: major and supporting role of the diagnostic statistic manual of

12:12 Speaker 6: mental disorders schizophrenia, major depression, bipolar disorder, addictions, and you know,

12:22 Speaker 6: kids in a lot of circumstances in really great despair,

12:28 Speaker 6: and I had thought I was going to do that career,

12:33 Speaker 6: and I had this intake worker position, which I really

12:40 Speaker 6: at first, you know, it was hard, but I got

12:43 Speaker 6: I ultimately, I was able to do it at first

12:46 Speaker 6: because I was I believed that, you know, the world

12:51 Speaker 6: as it is, can help these people with a system

12:55 Speaker 6: that we have. And then over the next year I

13:00 Speaker 6: just got ground down about like, holy crap, this system

13:05 Speaker 6: in which we live is really pitted against people, whether

13:10 Speaker 6: we are people who need care or people who are

13:14 Speaker 6: giving care. And I just got my ass worked and

13:20 Speaker 6: roasted by it. And then meanwhile, I had been writing

13:23 Speaker 6: this weird music as a little twenty three year old guy.

13:28 Speaker 6: And when I eventually said, oh crap, I can't do

13:33 Speaker 6: this anymore. I gotta be on my way and try

13:39 Speaker 6: music out. I went to Temple University and I met

13:44 Speaker 6: a really fantastic number of musicians and still friends to

13:50 Speaker 6: this day. That started the first version of the band

13:53 Speaker 6: with me in twenty eleven. So the beginning of A. K.

14:01 Speaker 6: Schnock was a transition from great, uh you know, kind

14:08 Speaker 6: of a personal psychological political crisis, from one walk of

14:14 Speaker 6: life to another. And then meeting like minded thinkers and

14:20 Speaker 6: feelers and musicians at that at Temple University where I

14:24 Speaker 6: went to study classical guitar, when I changed the course

14:28 Speaker 6: of my life.

14:29 Speaker 7: Okay, okay, by the way, Yeah, that is interesting to me,

14:32 Speaker 7: and I I I know a little bit about what

14:35 Speaker 7: you're what you're talking about, how the system is, uh

14:38 Speaker 7: is pitted against these people who so desperately need to

14:40 Speaker 7: help and uh, it sounds like you got uh you know,

14:44 Speaker 7: there's a lot of burnout in that field obviously. Yeah,

14:47 Speaker 7: and it sounds like you you kind of you were

14:49 Speaker 7: you had the foresight to see what was coming for

14:52 Speaker 7: you if you had if you had stuck with it.

14:54 Speaker 7: So so that that's interesting. And then I assume so

14:59 Speaker 7: at Temple and you were studying it was classical guitar,

15:02 Speaker 7: is that correct? Yeah, And that obviously shaped, I assume

15:09 Speaker 7: shaped what you're doing today because you know it in

15:13 Speaker 7: terms of being able to do things that are very technical. Obviously,

15:15 Speaker 7: that classical training is very helpful. And then so that

15:20 Speaker 7: was where the original iteration of the band formed, the

15:23 Speaker 7: first lineup formed at Temple. Yeah, okay, and then and

15:30 Speaker 7: that was Oh, so this project has actually been around

15:32 Speaker 7: a while then, So that was you said that was

15:34 Speaker 7: twenty eleven. Yeah, it's been a long time, long time.

15:38 Speaker 7: So how was I mean, I assume the sound has

15:40 Speaker 7: changed and evolved over time or I mean, were those

15:43 Speaker 7: early songs that you did, were those also very much

15:46 Speaker 7: genre bending or did it start out a little more conventional.

15:52 Speaker 6: Also genre bending. I've been in one project that was

15:59 Speaker 6: more stationarily just one project. I was in an indie

16:03 Speaker 6: rock band that I played drums in, and that was

16:07 Speaker 6: I loved that group. But anytime I've ever written music

16:14 Speaker 6: in my own personal musical language, it's always been, uh,

16:21 Speaker 6: you know, the shape shifting sound that it is for

16:25 Speaker 6: better or for worse.

16:26 Speaker 7: Ye. So yeah, And then when did you start releasing

16:30 Speaker 7: music with AK Schnack Now I'm butchering it. You're perfect

16:35 Speaker 7: AKA snack all good? When when when did that begin?

16:40 Speaker 7: As far as your your first output with the project?

16:44 Speaker 6: I think our first EP was released in twenty fourteen, Okay.

16:52 Speaker 6: It's a tiny, little, uh eighteen minute EP called Letters

17:01 Speaker 6: to Herrmann Vasquez Rubio, which I don't think is on

17:04 Speaker 6: our Spotify, but it is.

17:06 Speaker 7: On band camp, okay.

17:09 Speaker 6: And then it was another five years or so before

17:12 Speaker 6: we put out the second two releases, so we have

17:16 Speaker 6: big old gaps between releases.

17:21 Speaker 7: Okay, yeah, Shadows Grow Fangs, that's your first since twenty nineteen. Correct,

17:26 Speaker 7: that's right, Okay. And what was the spark that brought

17:28 Speaker 7: this to fruition in terms of because obviously you do

17:32 Speaker 7: take long breaks between recording what what brought this?

17:35 Speaker 6: Uh?

17:36 Speaker 7: What what brought this to light? Wanting to do the CP.

17:41 Speaker 6: I always, you know, again, for better or for worse.

17:48 Speaker 6: I take a long time to get the full picture

17:54 Speaker 6: of what I want a release to be. In fact,

17:58 Speaker 6: let's see Shadows of Fangs the Internet three. Almost all

18:04 Speaker 6: of the songs on that EP are about as old

18:08 Speaker 6: as the the story I was saying, like, I started

18:15 Speaker 6: writing the title track Shadows Grow Fangs on a bike

18:19 Speaker 6: ride home from my job as an intake worker. So

18:24 Speaker 6: I take a long time to finish stuff. And and

18:32 Speaker 6: so I think in terms of what compelled it, I

18:36 Speaker 6: was like, Okay, you got to just put this out already.

18:39 Speaker 6: Let's just put these songs out on this EP and

18:43 Speaker 6: make this happen. So I guess the answer is, do it,

18:50 Speaker 6: Gosh darn it, David, do it already. Put it out already,

18:53 Speaker 6: and you know, you could have a you could have

18:56 Speaker 6: a kid graduating high school with this record. Put it

18:59 Speaker 6: out so.

19:04 Speaker 7: Well. You know, good things take time, right, you.

19:06 Speaker 6: Know you're correct? Correct? Easy? Yes, yes, I got to

19:08 Speaker 6: go easy on myself.

19:09 Speaker 7: There you go, There you go. I also want to

19:13 Speaker 7: know more about your connection with EMF, and yes, EMF

19:17 Speaker 7: for people who don't remember Unbelievable, I mean, that's like

19:20 Speaker 7: the song that people remember the most. You're Unbelievable from EMF.

19:24 Speaker 7: And of course I'm not sure how much music they've released,

19:27 Speaker 7: and I know they have probably quite a bit, that

19:29 Speaker 7: they've been around a long time obviously, but tell us

19:31 Speaker 7: about your connection with EMF and the touring and all that.

19:35 Speaker 6: Yes, so we met them on our West Coast tour

19:42 Speaker 6: this past June, and like you say, I had heard

19:50 Speaker 6: that song and I'd always loved it. I probably heard

19:53 Speaker 6: it when I was ten years old, and you know,

19:59 Speaker 6: hadn't heard the other music until I was put onto

20:04 Speaker 6: it by the fact that we were going to be

20:05 Speaker 6: touring with them. Had no idea what they would be

20:11 Speaker 6: like as dudes. But they were absolutely lovely, lovely, you know,

20:20 Speaker 6: to use a British term, lovely books and that tour

20:28 Speaker 6: was you know, fifteen days, but it felt like one

20:34 Speaker 6: big day, the best day of our lives, I think,

20:39 Speaker 6: and just you know, constant warmth and laughter and you know,

20:50 Speaker 6: and they're much more seasoned than we are obviously.

20:54 Speaker 9: Yeah, but.

20:57 Speaker 6: We just had so much fun with them, and they

21:02 Speaker 6: saw that we were taking what we were doing seriously

21:06 Speaker 6: and we were supportive in terms of just the brass

21:10 Speaker 6: tacks of people collaborating on a tour and independable and

21:15 Speaker 6: all that. So, uh, and we're on this we're on

21:18 Speaker 6: the same booking agency as they are, okay, And so

21:22 Speaker 6: that's how we like the simplest way in which we

21:25 Speaker 6: got connected. Our manager pitched to the booking agency that

21:29 Speaker 6: we'd be the opening act for that tour, and they

21:33 Speaker 6: took us up on it, and we proved ourselves and

21:37 Speaker 6: the rest is history. So we're on tour with them

21:39 Speaker 6: this May on the East Coast for nine days and

21:43 Speaker 6: then six dates in England. Wow in June.

21:47 Speaker 7: Oh fantastic. That's excellent. Yeah, you know, and it sounds

21:50 Speaker 7: like you're having a great experience with them and how

21:53 Speaker 7: they are as people, which is great because obviously you

21:55 Speaker 7: don't always know going into a situation when you're opening

21:58 Speaker 7: for somebody, what the headliner is going to be, like,

22:00 Speaker 7: how they're going to be as people, how they're going

22:01 Speaker 7: to treat you, and it sounds like it sounds like

22:04 Speaker 7: they're like legitimately really good people. So that's that's wonderful.

22:08 Speaker 6: Yes, yeah, it was awesome. And right there's you know,

22:13 Speaker 6: like life is a mix and people are a mix.

22:19 Speaker 6: Each of each one of us is a huge mix

22:22 Speaker 6: of virtues, flaws and mediocrits. So, like you say, you

22:28 Speaker 6: never know what that mix is going to look like

22:31 Speaker 6: in an individual, in a group of people, in a

22:37 Speaker 6: set of experiences you can have. But with that relationship,

22:42 Speaker 6: it was just very lucky or blessed however you look

22:48 Speaker 6: at it.

22:48 Speaker 7: Yeah, now that's fantastic. And did you also collaborate on

22:52 Speaker 7: a song with them?

22:54 Speaker 6: Yes, so on tour they had this basically complete idea

23:03 Speaker 6: for a song. That's you know, if people don't know

23:10 Speaker 6: their sound, generally, it's it's party music with a little

23:16 Speaker 6: bit of more and sometimes more than a little bit

23:18 Speaker 6: of punk rock energy and tenacity and and then even

23:25 Speaker 6: to some extent, some political import too. So they have

23:31 Speaker 6: dear friends like most of us do, who are in

23:34 Speaker 6: the queer community, and you know, in this troubled world,

23:40 Speaker 6: the queer community is under great attack all the time.

23:47 Speaker 6: And so they wrote a song of solidarity with them

23:52 Speaker 6: called lgbt Q plus Lover. And they had this song

23:57 Speaker 6: that they were going to premiere on tour, and they

23:59 Speaker 6: did the first nights, and then when they saw us

24:04 Speaker 6: and heard my singing and the other singer in my band,

24:09 Speaker 6: Bella this incredible contralto, they said, Holy, holy heck, these

24:15 Speaker 6: this guy and Gal are are really good singers. And

24:20 Speaker 6: they have the beginning of the song basically sounds like

24:23 Speaker 6: a big choral pad, and they had they have a

24:26 Speaker 6: synth pad on the tracks, usually live and on recording.

24:33 Speaker 6: But they're like, why don't we have the opener the

24:36 Speaker 6: two singers from the opening band come on and join us,

24:40 Speaker 6: which we did from the third all the way to

24:43 Speaker 6: the last eleventh show of the night, and then after

24:47 Speaker 6: that because we had so much fun and because audiences

24:51 Speaker 6: really appreciated it, they memorialized that relationship by having us

24:58 Speaker 6: on the on that recording. So the song is called

25:02 Speaker 6: l g b t Q plus Lover, and again it's

25:06 Speaker 6: a song of solidarity with gay, transgender, transsexual, non binary

25:13 Speaker 6: other other folks who are under attack and need our

25:19 Speaker 6: ally ship.

25:20 Speaker 7: That's extremely cool. I fully support that, and I actually

25:25 Speaker 7: pulled it up. I'm kind of scanning through the lyrics,

25:27 Speaker 7: just making sure that I can play it, because I might.

25:28 Speaker 7: I might play it later in the show. We do

25:30 Speaker 7: have another track of yours that I'm going to play

25:32 Speaker 7: at the end of our conversation, but after that, I

25:34 Speaker 7: might sneak this one in two. I'm just scarning. I'm

25:36 Speaker 7: just scanning through making sure there's no uh no language

25:39 Speaker 7: and I.

25:39 Speaker 6: Don't think we have any naughty words. That he does

25:42 Speaker 6: say the word boo hoo. So depending on your audience's sensitivities,

25:47 Speaker 6: maybe I should. Maybe I am a potty mouth for

25:51 Speaker 6: saying that.

25:52 Speaker 7: I can assure you I have a highly insensitive audience,

25:56 Speaker 7: so I think. So what I'm going to do is,

25:58 Speaker 7: I'm at the end of our versation, I'm gonna play

26:00 Speaker 7: another track of yours, and then immediately after that, I'm

26:03 Speaker 7: gonna play this m F track because I found it online.

26:06 Speaker 7: So I think that's awesome, and that's so cool for

26:09 Speaker 7: you like that. That was probably a huge surprise, right

26:11 Speaker 7: when when they asked you to do that. I assume

26:15 Speaker 7: it was.

26:16 Speaker 6: You know, if you have a certain amount of success

26:24 Speaker 6: in any kind of creative or professional thing, it's a

26:28 Speaker 6: sort of naturally human mistake to like deify people. And

26:38 Speaker 6: I'm reminded, you know, this guy's kind of a controversial figure,

26:41 Speaker 6: I think unfortunately because I don't personally I think he's

26:44 Speaker 6: a heroic person. Nobody nobody's perfect, but Ralph Nader, the

26:50 Speaker 6: consumer advocate, you know, leftist gad fly.

26:56 Speaker 7: I'm a fan.

26:57 Speaker 6: Okay, heck yes, we got the Ralph Nader crew in

27:00 Speaker 6: the in the building. Ralph Naders says about politicians, he

27:05 Speaker 6: just says, they're not gods. They are people that tie

27:10 Speaker 6: their shoes in the morning and brush their teeth at night,

27:14 Speaker 6: and so you can relate to them just as fellow people.

27:18 Speaker 6: You don't have to feel smaller in there. You know,

27:25 Speaker 6: they're they're You're just as powerful as they are in

27:28 Speaker 6: some respect. And uh, it's you know, it's a bit

27:32 Speaker 6: of a jump of a comparison. But basically, when n

27:35 Speaker 6: F said, hey, we see what you're doing, we like

27:41 Speaker 6: it so much, we want you to join us, there

27:46 Speaker 6: was this surreal, like wait, what moment of but you

27:51 Speaker 6: but you guys literally helped with with your breakout, world

27:59 Speaker 6: famous sing goal when I was eleven years old. You

28:04 Speaker 6: helped put together the beginnings of my little brains understanding

28:12 Speaker 6: of what pop music is, and now you want me

28:15 Speaker 6: to participate in the continuation of your art. So it

28:21 Speaker 6: was it was pretty surreal and beautiful. And but then no,

28:29 Speaker 6: they're just people that put their shoes on in the

28:31 Speaker 6: morning and take them off at night and brush their

28:34 Speaker 6: teeth at night and whatever.

28:36 Speaker 7: So yeah, that's that's amazing, awesome. I can't wait to

28:41 Speaker 7: I can't wait to play that. So at the end

28:44 Speaker 7: of our conversation. So, like I said, I'm gonna play

28:46 Speaker 7: two things. So at the end of our conversation, I'm

28:48 Speaker 7: gonna play Jeremy. I'm really curious to hear about this,

28:53 Speaker 7: the Jeremy Bentham song Jeremy Utilitarian sad Boy. Tell us

28:58 Speaker 7: about this, tell us about a song?

29:01 Speaker 6: Sure, So, like I said, I'll four out of five

29:11 Speaker 6: of the songs from our Shadows Grow Fangs EP, which

29:15 Speaker 6: we released last October, I believe I can't. I think so.

29:21 Speaker 6: I think that's right. Four out of five of them

29:27 Speaker 6: are very old songs in my writing history. So when

29:34 Speaker 6: I still lived in Philadelphia and just around the time

29:38 Speaker 6: that I started going to Temple University. As I was

29:43 Speaker 6: finishing up my changing from a would be shrink into

29:49 Speaker 6: a beginning musician beginning musician, I lived around the corner

29:54 Speaker 6: from this really curious, complicated museum called Eastern State Penitentiary,

30:04 Speaker 6: which was a prison. It's the North Philly in the

30:10 Speaker 6: Fairmount neighborhood, and it's this great, big brick fortress in

30:16 Speaker 6: a you know, pretty like relatively nice part of the city.

30:21 Speaker 6: There's like a couple rough spots here and there around it,

30:25 Speaker 6: but like it's sort of nice around there. But there's

30:29 Speaker 6: this but there's this prison museum, and every every Halloween

30:38 Speaker 6: they had this Haunted Prison event, and I would went

30:43 Speaker 6: to the Haunted Prison event and my friends would play

30:47 Speaker 6: prisoners who were also zombies. And then I went there

30:53 Speaker 6: the next day and I learned about this guy Jeremy Bentham,

30:57 Speaker 6: who was this British full who and least at least

31:03 Speaker 6: in our troubled tradition, he was sort of a predecessor

31:09 Speaker 6: to Marx. He believed in the highest good, in the

31:13 Speaker 6: least amount of suffering, the most pleasure, the least amount

31:17 Speaker 6: of pain, for the highest number of people, and he

31:20 Speaker 6: believed that the government can play a positive and real

31:24 Speaker 6: role in that. Wow, big whoop and incredible. It seems

31:28 Speaker 6: sort of obvious now, but for his time it was.

31:32 Speaker 6: It was an important thing to say. And he precedes Marx,

31:35 Speaker 6: so this is all good. But he had this weird idea,

31:38 Speaker 6: which was the idea of solitary confinement. So if you're

31:45 Speaker 6: familiar with the horrible things we do to prisoners, yes,

31:51 Speaker 6: sometimes we're so brutal as to black people in closet

31:57 Speaker 6: sized rooms and leave them there indefinitely. I have a friend,

32:03 Speaker 6: in fact, named Keith Lamar who has been in solitary

32:08 Speaker 6: confinement for thirty five years. He's an innocent man on

32:11 Speaker 6: death row in Ohio. He's got ten months until the

32:17 Speaker 6: scheduled execution. But you know, so he's an example of

32:27 Speaker 6: this complete disaster of let's say, good intentions creating horrific nonsense.

32:41 Speaker 6: So the song is a an exploration of how did

32:48 Speaker 6: you how did you miss? How did you forget to

32:52 Speaker 6: carry the two on this cute little moral calculation you

32:56 Speaker 6: had Jeremy Bentham, you know, your highest good for highest number,

33:03 Speaker 6: you know, kind of imagining something like the social safety net.

33:11 Speaker 6: And these are all good ideas and making sure people

33:15 Speaker 6: have food and housing in basic livelihood and human rights

33:19 Speaker 6: on it. But now you have this idea of locking

33:22 Speaker 6: people and closets indefinitely. Where'd you go wrong? It's weirdo right.

33:28 Speaker 6: And then the funniest, the last weird coincidence about his

33:32 Speaker 6: story that comes up in the song and the lyric

33:35 Speaker 6: is that he had this idea that when you die,

33:41 Speaker 6: you don't have to worry about death. You can grieve

33:45 Speaker 6: the people that have died, but death is not a

33:48 Speaker 6: harm to the person that dies because they're no longer.

33:53 Speaker 6: There's no harm to somebody who doesn't exist, So don't

33:58 Speaker 6: fear death. And then in relation to the body, well,

34:02 Speaker 6: what do you do? What do you tell people about

34:05 Speaker 6: what to do with your body when you die? He said,

34:09 Speaker 6: I want to he said, basically taxidermy me, put me

34:14 Speaker 6: in my seated position. He was a professor at an

34:17 Speaker 6: Oxford in London or sorry in England, and so he said,

34:24 Speaker 6: just put me in my cool hats with my cane

34:27 Speaker 6: and my professor le Garb made me look swell or whatever,

34:32 Speaker 6: and have me seated with a big smile on my face,

34:34 Speaker 6: and just let my body be an image of.

34:41 Speaker 10: You.

34:41 Speaker 6: Know, the the body as a stale instrument was his phrase,

34:46 Speaker 6: like a thing that just comes and goes and no

34:48 Speaker 6: big deal. And you know, my former students, you can

34:52 Speaker 6: even laugh at me or whatever. So there's kind of

34:54 Speaker 6: like this light heartedness, right, but there's also this this weird,

35:00 Speaker 6: grotesque accident where like he's putting his dead body in

35:07 Speaker 6: this in this cell for his students to muse ad

35:11 Speaker 6: and to love him after he's gone, or to laugh

35:13 Speaker 6: at him, or to be growth, grow soud or whatever. Right,

35:16 Speaker 6: And meanwhile, his confused, absurd philosophical tradition ends up putting

35:23 Speaker 6: living people in cells. And and those are those bodies

35:30 Speaker 6: are not stale instruments at all. Those people are living

35:36 Speaker 6: people with hopes and dreams and fears and emotions and

35:40 Speaker 6: lives they want to live. So and then that's the

35:45 Speaker 6: story of Keith Lamar is another important thing that if

35:50 Speaker 6: we speak again, I want to tell you about. But

35:55 Speaker 6: for folks who need inspiration and want to help with

36:01 Speaker 6: an important cause, check out Keithlamar dot org, okay, and

36:09 Speaker 6: you can hear about his story. He's an imprisoned man

36:13 Speaker 6: on death row wrongfully who is an incredible philosopher, writer

36:19 Speaker 6: and fact musician too, so Keith Lamar dot Org and

36:24 Speaker 6: I'm sure you'd be interested in that as well. I

36:28 Speaker 6: really love this conversation and it seems like you are

36:31 Speaker 6: curious about the right things.

36:33 Speaker 7: Oh. Absolutely, And I'm also someone who my entire life,

36:35 Speaker 7: I've always been very much opposed to the death penalty.

36:40 Speaker 7: One of the few things my dad, who passed away

36:43 Speaker 7: not too long ago, it's one of the few things

36:44 Speaker 7: that he and I actually agreed on all the way

36:46 Speaker 7: to his end, is politically one of the few things

36:49 Speaker 7: we agreed on was that the death penalty is egregious

36:53 Speaker 7: and wrong. So yeah, I'm going to look that up.

36:56 Speaker 7: I am curious to know more about that, and I

36:58 Speaker 7: would like to have a follow up conversation with you

37:00 Speaker 7: on that subject in the future. Definitely. Yeah, that'd be

37:04 Speaker 7: very interesting. So we're going to in a moment, we'll

37:08 Speaker 7: let you go, David, and we're going to play We

37:11 Speaker 7: are going to play Jeremy Utilitarian sad Boy to at

37:15 Speaker 7: the close of our conversation, and then, like I said,

37:17 Speaker 7: I am also going to play that E m F

37:18 Speaker 7: track LGBTQ plus Lover. Very curious to hear that as well.

37:23 Speaker 7: But I want to know, please share with our listeners

37:25 Speaker 7: where's the best place to go online to keep up

37:27 Speaker 7: with everything you're doing? Everything ak schnack is doing. How

37:31 Speaker 7: to spell it for people who don't know how to spell it?

37:34 Speaker 7: And uh and anything else you want our listeners to

37:36 Speaker 7: be aware of in terms of finding you online.

37:39 Speaker 6: Great, yes, for better or for worse? I chose a

37:45 Speaker 6: funny name for this act. I often think of the

37:50 Speaker 6: hip hop artist talib Quality. You know, yeah, he could

37:53 Speaker 6: have he was. He's obviously very creative guy. He could

37:58 Speaker 6: have chosen a much more forward name for himself. But

38:01 Speaker 6: for whatever reason, some of us, you know, just get

38:05 Speaker 6: attached to challenging names. And he has a whole song

38:10 Speaker 6: about you pronounced the name quality, any questions whatever, So

38:15 Speaker 6: he's making kind of making fun of his of that

38:17 Speaker 6: choice of his own. For me and our band. Uh,

38:23 Speaker 6: the name is spelled e double c e e c

38:28 Speaker 6: c e space s h n a K schnock k

38:35 Speaker 6: schnock e double c e space s h n a

38:41 Speaker 6: K And we got to update it, so bear with

38:47 Speaker 6: us on the on the website. But but certainly websites

38:50 Speaker 6: are are an old school thing to do, so you

38:53 Speaker 6: can check it out there but in terms of the

38:56 Speaker 6: most immediate things, I think Instagram is the best medium

39:03 Speaker 6: to get the totally most up to date AH updates

39:11 Speaker 6: about us and any any streaming platform of your choice.

39:17 Speaker 6: To check out the music, and then we can certainly

39:22 Speaker 6: send you merch if you fall in love with the

39:26 Speaker 6: music and want some want a vinyl or a T

39:28 Speaker 6: shirt or something, we have a store for that. Two

39:35 Speaker 6: and yeah, so I think the the maybe for for

39:42 Speaker 6: for an odd band. We have more hum drum, mediocre

39:46 Speaker 6: ways of listening to us.

39:51 Speaker 7: So yeah, you know what, though it occurs to me,

39:53 Speaker 7: it does make you very google able, as I like

39:55 Speaker 7: to say, because if someone googles your name and you know,

39:59 Speaker 7: assuming they spell correctly, there's not gonna be any confusion.

40:02 Speaker 7: Oh is this is this the correct at? Do I

40:06 Speaker 7: have the right one? You don't have to worry about that.

40:08 Speaker 7: So that's a good thing. Absolutely, Thank you. Well, So

40:13 Speaker 7: we're going to to in a moment. We're gonna play

40:15 Speaker 7: this track, Jared, Jeremy, I don't know, I have so

40:18 Speaker 7: much trouble with it. Jeremy utilitarian sad boy. I need

40:21 Speaker 7: more caffeine this morning. But David, thank you so much

40:24 Speaker 7: for joining us. This has been a wonderful conversation. Fascinated

40:28 Speaker 7: by your music. I really love it. Check out the

40:30 Speaker 7: ep everybody Shadows Grow Fangs really really good and we

40:33 Speaker 7: will definitely have you back. Man, this has been wonderful.

40:36 Speaker 7: Thank you so much for joining us today.

40:38 Speaker 6: Thank you so much, man, and peace and love to

40:41 Speaker 6: w M n H listeners. So much gratitude to you,

40:46 Speaker 6: and hopefully we'll see you on the East Coast tour.

40:49 Speaker 6: Boston might be the nearest you guys, are I think

40:53 Speaker 6: so uh so Yeah, much love and gratitude to everybody

40:59 Speaker 6: in the w M n H universe. Peace and love, Davy.

41:03 Speaker 7: All right, talk to you soon, my friend. Take care,

41:05 Speaker 7: bye bye. All right. That was David Roush. The project

41:10 Speaker 7: is k Schnack and check this out. This is called

41:14 Speaker 7: Jeremy Utilitarian sad Boy from the ep Shadows Grow. Thanks Hey.

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