Matt Connarton Unleashed 4-5-25 hour 1

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Speaker 2: Good morning, everybody, welcome, here we go. We are diving right in to open the show. This morning, we have and WMNH exclusive the American radio premiere of the brand new Ryan Redwood track All the Way from the UK. This is really good. This is called Tomorrow.

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Speaker 2: So I love it. That is so good. That is Ryan Redwood, a great artist from the UK, and that is the American radio premiere of his brand new track Tomorrow, just coming out this week, I believe, and that is the first time you have heard that on an American radio station. So we're very happy to have that exclusive WMNH ninety five point three FM presenting the American radio premiere of Tomorrow right here on Matt Connorton Unleashed. Welcome everybody. Today is Saturday if you are listening to Live of course April five, two thy twenty five.

Speaker 2: We've got a great show ahead for the next few hours. Of course, coming up in just a few minutes. Harry fora Zacherley, another great artist from the UK. We did the American radio premiere of his newest track I Want to Go Home. Just a couple of weeks ago, so he's going to be skyping in to talk to us. Looking forward to that. In the second hour, we have awaiting Abigail Great band from Texas. They're going to be calling in in the first half of the second hour if you can follow that, and then in the second half of the second hour we will be joined by John Poussett Dart.

Speaker 2: John was with us about six months ago, but he's on tour again and he's going to be playing at the Rex Theater right here in Manchester, New Hampshire, so he's going to be calling in to join us as well. We had a really interesting conversation last time he was on and so looking forward to speaking with him again. Of course, John Poussett Dart is a legend and just a fantastic musician, but also really interesting to speak with, so looking forward to that having him back on the show. And then in the third hour, Justin Hunt will be here and he's got a very interesting story to tell as well, So we've got a big show planned ahead for you.

Speaker 2: Also, I want to mention, and I did make mention of this on social media, but this week eight years the eight year anniversary of Matt Connorton unleashed here on WMNH ninety five point three FM, right here in Manchester, and so as always, so very honored and privileged to have the opportunity to do the show here eight years. I'll tell you what go on in the blink of an eye, and of course all the all the support that we get for the show. Jenny, of course a big part of the show. She's not here with me this week.

Speaker 2: She is otherwise occupied, although I know she's listening. I see her in the chat room. But of course the past eight years not possible without Jenny, her love and support as always, and you know she does all the booking for the show too. She books all the guests and she's very organized and professional, so we really we depend on that. So so always wonderful to have Jenny here. I'm sure she'll be back next week. But she's a very big part of the show also, of course everybody here at WM and H. You know, I was texting earlier with Peter White, who not only is he the morning show host here and has been for I think, I think for Peter it's been nine years now here.

Speaker 2: Recently he celebrated his nine year anniversary at wm and AH. She's also the program director here, so he's a very important part of what keeps this whole thing going and so you know we rely on him very much. So thank you, of course to Peter White, you know, and everybody, all the other hosts here. Of course poly Ce from Retrospectrum Radio with Polyc. I'm also his co host on that show, and I love getting to do that on Friday nights, and everybody here. I almost don't want to mention everybody because I'm afraid I'll forget somebody.

Speaker 2: But you know, you've got Kyle Heavy from Off the Mark Sports, Rob has a Veto from Granted State of Mind, Rob die on from Through the Stage Door, and there's other newer programming. There's some newer things here too that hosts that I haven't even had a chance to meet yet. So you know, things continue to grow here at WMNH. It's so wonderful to be a part of this amazing station, WMNH at ninety five point three FM. If you are local in Manchester, and of course you can stream from anywhere in the world, go to wm Andhradio dot orgon click listen live and you can get the station anywhere.

Speaker 2: You know, we do have a lot of people. You know, we're We're not just local. I mean, you know, nothing is anymore because everything's available online, right, so everything is global in a sense, right, and we do we this station has a lot of dedicated listeners from other parts of the country and even other parts of the world. It's really amazing what we've built here, and of course the management here. Some people don't like having their names mentioned, but of course you know everyone here who makes WM and H possible here in Manchester, everybody behind the scenes, you know who you are.

Speaker 2: And I do love and appreciate you all, I really do. So it's so great to be a part of this and to be able to do this here, to be able to do this show here and the other things I'm involved into, really really great. So I don't mean to get sappy and sentimental. It's really not my nature to do that, at least not outwardly, but I do want everyone to know how much I appreciate them. And if you are in any way a part of this, or even if you're not a part of making what we do here, but you're a loyal listener, or even if you're not a loyal listener, even if you're just an occasional listener, if you pay us even the slightest bit of attention, I appreciate you.

Speaker 2: And even the haters. I only know of one really active hater that we have, but I have an appreciate it. Why not, I'm feeling generous. I have an appreciate that guy. So here's what we're gonna do. So in a couple of minutes, we're going to play the uh, the Harry phazackerly single again. I want to go home, and by that point we should have him on with us via Skype. Looking forward to speaking with him. But I've got a little something uh special. And if you have been following the show recently, if you are a regular listener, you'll be able to figure out where this came from.

Speaker 2: But pay attention to the lyrics. Pay close attention to the lyrics on this, and then we'll go from this right to the Harry Phazacrile single, and then we'll talk with Harry. But uh again, pay attention to the lyrics, and keep in mind we are celebrating eight years here at WM.

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Speaker 2: Comm hm, that is I want to go home. That is Harry Fayzakerley all the way from the UK, looking forward to talking with him. We're having a little bit of trouble.

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Speaker 2: You know sometimes with Skype uh these international uh intercontinental calls, if you will, uh don't always pan out. So there there my be a technical issue. So Jenny's working on seeing if we can get him on with us. But what we'll do is he's got another track, and this is very appropriate. This is called Patience, so and no it's not a cover of the Guns and Roses song. But let's give this a listen to and we'll see if we can get Harry on skype or maybe he can call in if he's having a technical problem.

Speaker 2: But this does happen. But we'll give this a spin too. This is another great track. This is Patience from Harry phazackerly.

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Speaker 2: Welcome everybody. This is Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from the studios of w m n H ninety five point three f M Inglorious, Manchester, New Hampshire. Of course, you can also stream the show from anywhere to my website Matt connorton dot com slash live for all of your live streaming options, and you can chat with us. You can message us right through the website. Of course, you can chime in in the various chat rooms. Let's see here. We'll say hi to a couple of people too if you are just joining us.

Speaker 2: One of the things, you know, we've got some great guests coming. It didn't work out with our guests for this hour unfortunately, I guess tech issues, but that is the way it goes. Like I said, sometimes these intercontinental skype calls don't always work out. But so we've got some great guests coming up though in the show. At the top of the hour we have awaiting Abigail, a great band from Texas who I'm looking forward to talking to in the first half of the second hour, if you can follow that, and then in the second half of the second hour, we're joined by John Poussett Dart who's going to be calling in.

Speaker 2: Of course, he is a legend and he played in Manchester, I believe at the Rex Theater about six months ago and he was on with us. He called in to talk with us and we had a really interesting conversation. I loved talking with him, and of course we talked about his music and how his music career has changed and evolved over the years and adapting to the current music industry, which is very different from when he started it out in the nineteen seventies with the Poussett Dart Band. But and of course we talked about his show coming up at the Rex Theater.

Speaker 2: Well, he's going to be calling in again today because he's got another show. He's coming back to the Rex Theater and we're going to talk about that and get caught up with him. So we really looking forward to that. And then in the third hour, Justin Hunt is going to be here with us in studio. So we have a lot planned for today, and we are celebrating eight years of Matt Connorton unleashed here at WM and H ninety five point three FM. And already I won't get all sappy and sentimental about it again like I did at the top of the show.

Speaker 2: We're close to the top of the show. But because we also had the American radio premiere of a new track from another UK artist, and we will do that again too, if you missed it, we'll do that again in a little bit. We'll try to do that every hour of our show if you are listening live on Saturday. More earning. But but yeah, eight years here at WM and H, so we're kind of celebrating that as well, so let's see and today. By the way, if you are listening live, or if you're not listening live and you're wondering where when this occurred, it is because I don't think I remember to give the date.

Speaker 2: It is April five, twenty twenty five. But I do want to say hello to some people in the chat rooms we have. I say rooms plural, because we now we stream the show to Facebook and to YouTube and to LinkedIn even Let's see Texas Mike, who had the pleasure of seeing last night on Retrospectrum Radio with poly Cee. He joined us on that show. He's in the chat room, he says, I love being a part of your show, Matt. Thank you very much, Texas Mike. Give us a yeeha wherever you are and perhaps well perhaps we'll be able to hear it here.

Speaker 2: Jenny, of course, is in the chat room as always. She's either in the chat or here with me in studio. She'll be back next week, I'm sure, but she says, thank you for the kind words. Congrats on eight years. So proud of you. Thank you very much. DJ Steve, who hosts the show here at WMNH. I believe every other Thursday, says good morning, Matt, congratulations, keep it rocking. Thank you very much. Andre Dumont of course from well, from various places, of course, the great band Dead Harrison. He's also of course from Terminus Underground and New Hampshire Underground.

Speaker 2: Are wonderful friends. Andrea and Eleanor in Nashua, New Hampshire. We love them. Andre says, good morning Matt and Jen. Hope all is wonderful today. Thank you very much. Oh Eric Street, here's someone I haven't heard from in a while. He's in the chat room also and says, I listen a lot in the car, but here I am welcome, Eric, so nice to see you in there. Let's see who else do we have here? Oh Andrew from Dublin, Dublin, Ireland says solo, of course we have listeners there, very good on Tomorrow radio on Sunset Radio.

Speaker 2: Thank you very much for that. Yes, yes, yes, yes, I appreciate that very much, and it's wonderful to work with you as well. Let's see we have Enrique Benavitas, Alfredo whom I believe used to be Alfredo and Rique Benavitas when he would show up in our chat room. But so I might be reading it wrong, as often say, I do think I might be suffering from adult on set dyslexia. But no, but our friend Fredo, wonderfully talented musician, he is in the chat room and says, hey, hey, nice witch Trot shirt. Yeah, witch Trot is a band.

Speaker 2: This is a shirt that I don't pull out very often. I was trying to decide what to wear today and I was like, oh, I haven't worn the witch Trot shirt in a long time. But they were Jesus, it was at least two years ago. It might have been three years ago now that Witch Trot was on the show with us. A really really great band and a cool shirt too, So thank you. Yes, we got to get them back on. I assume they're still around, haven't haven't really heard from them. But Miriam Banishad joins us in the chat and says, good morning, hello Miriam.

Speaker 2: Also Mike McDowell, of course, he was on the program a couple of months ago, also known as the Healer, and he's got a great new place in Nashua called The Spot doing all ages shows and all kinds of great stuff. We gotta get you, we gotta get you back on the show, Mike, I want to hear an update on everything that you're doing. He's such a positive guy, doing great things in the community and Nashua and of course for the music scene, which obviously reverberates beyond Nashua. So we met, actually we met Mike through Eleanor and Andre from Terminus and New Hampshire Underground.

Speaker 2: So yeah, great things, great things happening there, and Mike, I do want to have you back on. Also, he has an auto repair place in Nashua called Devoted. Devoted Auto is a devoted auto repair. I know it's devoted. I know devoted is in the name, so check check them out. Let's see, we've got a little bit of time again awaiting. Abigail is going to join us at the top of the hour. But I did see something, so you know, we talk a lot on the show about music industry discussions, music industry topics, I should say that become discussions on the program, and very often these controversies that are going on.

Speaker 2: For example, last week, Jenny and I talked about the controversy of Bruno Mars, not Bruno Mars himself, but one of the one of the companies that owns a Steak and the song When I Was Your Man by Bruno Mars suing Miley Cyrus and I think everyone Miley Cyrus has ever associated with over the song Flowers claiming copyright infringement and all of that. We did put the segment up on YouTube if you missed it. Kind of a very much I would say, I shouldn't say kind of very much a frivolous lawsuit in my opinion.

Speaker 2: But so we talked about these various controversies, legal issues going on in the music industry. We talk about AI a lot, all this kind of stuff, and of course, you know Jenny and I both we love a good hip hop beef. So after the well even before Kendrick Lamar's Super Bowl performance, we talked about on the show. We talked about the beef between Kendrick and Drake, which has gone back over a decade now at this point or about a decade. But so we did a long segment about that, which again is on YouTube if you want to check it out, and talking about we felt from our perspective that Kendrick had kind of put the final nail in that coffin winning that, you know, because what is a distrack ever been performed at the super Bowl.

Speaker 2: Now, maybe there is an example of that that I'm just not aware of, but that seemed like a pretty big, you know, pretty big deal. That seemed like, you know, how does Drake top that? I don't. I don't think that he does. But there's also a legal aspect, or I guess I should say a civil aspect, right, because it's not a it's not a criminal, but it is civil this lawsuit that Jake has fouled, and that aspect of it we touched on during our conversation post super Bowl performance. Jenny and I did talk about that a little bit, but we didn't get an it too deep that aspect of it.

Speaker 2: But if you don't know, Drake has filed a lawsuit against Kendrick Lamar, actually not against well, we should be precise when speaking about this, not Kendrick Lamar directly, but against Universal Music Group, who is no strangers to being sued. And we've talked about that on the show too. Months ago, we talked about the limp biscuit lawsuit against UMG. Drake is suing UMG because not only is Drake on UMG, but Kendrick Lamar is on UMG. And according to Drake, UMG kind of put their thumb on the scale in favor of Kendrick Lamar to try to devalue Drake because there is a contract negotiation coming up.

Speaker 2: Drake's contract with UMG is almost up, and Drake seems to feel that UMG, or at least a lawyers, seem to think that they can successfully sue for this. Who knows what anyone really thinks or believes, right, But you know, when there's money to be gone after this is what happens. So you know, who knows what Drake really thinks, right, but or what any of them really believe. But they think that they have a They think they have a good case to say that UMG conspired effectively with Kendrick Lamar to push this song not Like Us as a way of devaluing Drake somewhat.

Speaker 2: Now, why would if you're thinking about it logically, why would UMG? What incentive they're both on UMG? So what possible incentive would a record label like UMG have for devaluing their most successful artist Drake is I didn't even realize this until recently. Drake is the most streamed artist on Spotify, not the most streamed artist in hip hop, by the way, the most streamed artist period. I believe that still holds on Spotify. I think or is he number two? Is Taylor Swift? Actually, first, we're so used to talking about I see now I'm second guessing myself because we're so used to talking about Taylor Swift being number one and everything.

Speaker 2: But I believe Drake is number one. And why would so why would a record label with such a successful artists want to devalue them? And the explanation, which UMG denies and I'm, by the way, I find this claim dubious as well, So I'm skeptical about this. But the explanation from Drake's lawyers and why they are accusing you MG of this is that they feel that because Drake's contract is almost up, if you devalue him a little bit, you weaken Drake's negotiating position because they're gonna have to negotiate a new contract, or Drake goes elsewhere, he goes to another label, or Drake just doesn't have a label because he's already super famous.

Speaker 2: Why do you need a label? We live in an era where, you know, because of the Internet, you don't need a label. It helps if you're already famous, you've got a giant head start, right, but you don't necessarily even need a label. But if that label's going to advance you millions and millions of dollars on everything that you do, you know it can be helpful too. So that's another discussion. But so legal representation for Drake is claiming that UMG intentionally has devalued him, conspiring with Kendrick Lamar on that song Not Like Us to devalue Drake ahead of their their contract negotiations, to weaken Drake's negotiating position.

Speaker 2: Again, I'm skeptical. That seems like an awfully big gamble. Plus, you know, these conspiracies, don't, get me wrong, Conspiracies happen, of course they do, But I don't know. I don't know. Awkham's razor would suggest that, Yeah, obviously UMG wanted Kendrick to have a big hit with Not Like Us because it's on you and Kendrick is also on UMG, so they want you know, you always want to have a hit single, right and not Like Us as wildly successful. Heck, so successful it got performed at the super Bowl.

Speaker 2: Anyway, Here's here's what's There are updates with this. There are updates. This is from This is from Music Businessworldwide dot com, a very very handy website for this kind of thing. Court says discovery process can move forward and Drake's defamation lawsuit against UMG over not like US. It says here at a pre trial conference this morning in New York. And when we say this morning, we actually mean April second, so a few days ago, earlier this week. But in that conference, Judge Jeannette Vargas ruled that the discovery process in Drake's defamation lawsuit over Kendrick Lamar is not like US can begin.

Speaker 2: UMG asked the US Federal Court judge or a stay of discovery in the lawsuit on March eighteen, a day after the company filed a motion to dismiss the case. As reported last week, Drake's legal team pushed back against the request to pause the evidence gathering process. Following the decision made at this moment at this morning's pre trial conference. Again, this was earlier in the week. The discovery process for both parties can now move forward. UMG's motion to dismiss is still pending, with a hearing date set for June thirtieth.

Speaker 2: In a letter to Judge Jeannette A. Vargas filed last Wednesday, March twentieth and obtained by Music Business Worldwide, Drake's attorney Michael J. Gottlieb argued that UMG's request to freeze discovery should be denied. By the way, So, I'm not a legal expert, I have no legal background nothing, so I just I'm speaking as a layman. But if you don't know, discovery is when you get to discovery literally the evidence that is involved in the case. So if you are Drake's attorneys, you're looking for in terms of discovery, you want access to any of the documents, anything that your opponents in this case, of course, the legal representation for Kendrick Lamar or actually, I'm sorry again, we should be precise with UMG, the legal representation of UMG because they're not suing Kendrick Lamar directly unless I've misunderstood something, which is always possible, but anything, because here's what they're looking for.

Speaker 2: They want something, whether it's emails, whether it's something written down somewhere, whatever it may be. They want something. Drake's attorneys want something that shows evidence that there was a conspiracy to actually devalue Drake and thus weaken his negotiating position for the next contract. They want something that suggests that. Again I'm very skeptical about this whole theory. I find it to be a dubious claim at best, but it's possible.

Speaker 2: So that's what they're looking for. So through discovery they can get access to things that are not going to be given, not going to be offered voluntarily, right, But they can get access to all of that evidence because and again I might get some of the terminology wrong. I'm not a legal expert. I have no legal background, but from what I know, unfortunately, I've never been sued and I've never had to sue anybody, and I've gotten this far in life with avoiding all of that. But from what I understand, both parties have a right in a legal dispute, whether be it civil or criminal.

Speaker 2: Both parties have a right, in this case civil to see all of the evidence that the other party has that they're going to use in core in the case. So that's what discovery is. You're discovering what your opposition has because you have a right to be able to see that and have access to it as well. Very often the legal wrangling ends up being over what documents do you have a right to see? In terms of discovery, what do you have a right to access to? So if you're suing UMG, for example, and I know because another news story I saw, and it might be mentioned in this article, I don't know, we'll see, but I know that one of the issues that had arisen was do Drake's legal team do they have a right to access Kendrick Lamar's they're suing MG, they're not suing Kendrick directly, but do they have a right to access Kendrick Lamar's documents to see if he has any correspondence talking about a conspiracy to devalue Drake anything like that right?

Speaker 2: So, and that was a question at one point that the judge had to rule one. You know, it's one thing for them, they're suing UMG. It's one thing for them to have access to any UMG documents that they want. Do they also should they have a right to have access to Kendrick Lamar's documents or anyone else associated, anyone else who might be mixed up in this effectively, if I understand that correctly, Okay, so let me back up a little bit.

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Speaker 2: In a letter to Judge Vargas filed on Wednesday, March twentieth, Drake's attorney argued that UMG's request to freeze discovery should be denied. Quote UMG has failed to meet its burden unquote, Gottlieb claims in the four page letter, arguing that UMG's motion to stay discovery fails on all three factors courts consider when investigating such requests. Gottlieb's letter reference to the court's own statement that quote, it is not the practice of the court to routinely stay discovery pending the outcome of emotion to dismiss un quote, highlighting that such pauses are the exception rather than the rule.

Speaker 2: The filing arrived just one day after UMG asked the court for a stay of discovery, with UMG attorney rollin a Ransom, which is such a great name. By the way, he must represent a lot of people in the music industry, because that names come up on the show before rollin a Ransom, arguing that I mean that sounds like the name of a character in a film it or a book. It doesn't sound like a real person, arguing that quote. Courts in this district have emphasized that defamation defendants must be protected from unnecessary discovery to safeguard First Amendment protections unquote.

Speaker 2: Drake's lawsuit against UMG, filed in January, alleges that the company promoted a false and malicious narrative about Drake via the context of the lyrics, single, artwork and music video for not Like Us. Today's decision over discovery is the latest development in the legal fallout from one of twenty twenty four's biggest hit. It's and a high profile wrap feud. Not Like Us was released in May twenty twenty four as part of a series of distracts exchanged between Drakes and Lamar. The development follows Drake's withdrawal of his previous legal petition against UMG and Spotify in January, which had discussed the companies, which had accused the companies of artificially inflating streams for Lamar's track By the way, what's interesting about that and that we don't have time to get into that aspect of all of this in detail, but that would be a really interesting conversation.

Speaker 2: Probably Jenny and I will tackle that in the future at some point, because I know there are a lot of strong feelings about it in terms of what is and is not appropriate or legal or ethical. Legally, I don't think there's any issue, but ethically when companies artificially inflate the numbers, and that's something that happens across the Internet, by the way, not just in streaming. You know, if say Spotify, I'll just give you a hypothetical, say, and and artists or or label is paying Spotify money to artificially inflate the numbers of a particular single from a particular artist, so that when you look at that on Spotify it looks like it's got a lot more listens than it actually does.

Speaker 2: Is that ethical? Is that okay? Or is that a form of payola? And again we can have a whole that's a whole separate conversation because I know a lot of people have feelings about that. But when when I say that happens across the Internet, that happens to other places too. What happens with podcasts, it happens with everything. For example, on on X formerly Twitter, sometimes people will put videos or live streams on X and then they'll be talking about you know, look at how successful this was, and look at all the people who watched my video, when in reality, anybody who even scrolls past that video, even if they don't watch more than a second of it, you know, that counts as a quote unquote view of the video.

Speaker 2: So the numbers are artificially inflated that way,

Speaker 2: or Rumble does that. Rumble is notorious for doing that. They inflate their numbers to make their context content creators happy and make them look more successful and so forth. But there is more to this article, but we are we are running short in this hour. But music Businessworldwide dot com is a great website. So if you are interested in matters of the music industry, whether they be controversies and legal problems that seem to come up quite a bit, or if you're just curious about keeping up on what's going on in the industry, that's a great website to go to.

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