Matt Connarton Unleashed 5-16-26 hour 2

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0:14 Speaker 1: up inside of my head telling me I should beating

0:16 Speaker 1: my bloody and one I should never recoud you who's

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0:19 Speaker 1: You just can't just standing on the battlefield. But I

0:21 Speaker 1: keep telling you all on my boots have been money.

0:23 Speaker 1: The biggest surprise of my entire life is still that

0:25 Speaker 1: I managed to walk in my twenties, no matter how

0:27 Speaker 1: hard that I'm working, no matter how much I have

0:29 Speaker 1: risen a baw by.

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0:31 Speaker 2: that my that's is so locking enough. So I keep

0:33 Speaker 2: pushing and fucking them suck in this hole.

0:35 Speaker 1: Everybody should back when a dog then me tell me see, oh,

0:37 Speaker 1: all the voices they tell me that I should just

0:39 Speaker 1: couldn't get bob.

0:40 Speaker 2: I swear to God sometimes in my head all I

0:42 Speaker 2: hate let the ghost of my past.

0:43 Speaker 1: I hate to tell you if there's no reason why

0:45 Speaker 1: it doesn't exist when you're art, my God.

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0:50 Speaker 1: I'm just being in the circles because I'm my gree

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1:27 Speaker 6: I got these.

1:28 Speaker 1: Voices inside of my head telling me I can never

1:30 Speaker 1: be saved, and if I keep fighting, and if I

1:32 Speaker 1: keep trying, I'm gonna find myself in miner of the grave.

1:34 Speaker 1: But that's okay, because I got another one telling me

1:36 Speaker 1: nobody cares any way, and if I got them.

1:38 Speaker 2: They won't bring no sorrow. No one won't even remember

1:40 Speaker 2: my name.

1:41 Speaker 1: I ever thought. This is side of me that I

1:43 Speaker 1: have never been able to fight, and he keeps telling

1:45 Speaker 1: me it doesn't matter. There's nothing that I ever do

1:47 Speaker 1: will be right.

1:48 Speaker 2: I hear her voices.

1:49 Speaker 1: I'm telling me I don't deserve I'd been missing my

1:50 Speaker 1: largess I personal even out in the brook, and it's

1:53 Speaker 1: making sure I never live in the night.

1:54 Speaker 2: I got this voice in the back of my mind

1:56 Speaker 2: telling me that I'll never be I got the voice.

1:59 Speaker 4: In the back of my mind.

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2:02 Speaker 2: telling me everything out.

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2:05 Speaker 1: whole I just feel in this Artclese siding to catching

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2:26 Speaker 3: There's man say, these little voices are screaming to me

2:43 Speaker 3: that I'm not the one you really launched.

2:45 Speaker 2: I remember the way that you looked at me in

2:47 Speaker 2: the beginning. I hate that it's gone. The truth of

2:49 Speaker 2: the matter is this separable situation is going on too wrong.

2:52 Speaker 2: I wish that somebody had to make told me I

2:53 Speaker 2: was losing my supper before I was lost.

2:55 Speaker 1: I can just voice in my head telling me that

2:57 Speaker 1: the shadows I'm seeing a rail. My brain is almost

3:00 Speaker 1: in my heart because I gotta trust what I feel.

3:02 Speaker 1: I keep the weight on my shoulders to myself, the

3:03 Speaker 1: same way the weight on my hipposkin seals. Sometimes I

3:06 Speaker 1: get in the booth and I let it all all,

3:07 Speaker 1: but you know I'm rinking the seal. I get the

3:09 Speaker 1: voice in the back of my mind and we're trying

3:11 Speaker 1: to kill each other. I got the voice in the

3:13 Speaker 1: back of my mind, and I hate got mother off

3:15 Speaker 1: creak game. My brain, you's telling me, yoll that I

3:17 Speaker 1: have them with power too.

3:18 Speaker 2: It's more of dress. I said, I'm a whole I

3:19 Speaker 2: just been in the circus because I can't get the

3:21 Speaker 2: cuss out.

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4:09 Speaker 2: had his vie shut up. A lot of so many

4:14 Speaker 2: voices in my head.

4:15 Speaker 4: It's not a guy. I y shut up.

4:18 Speaker 2: I don't contact Fries. I heard podcast all my I'm.

4:22 Speaker 4: Try my ass.

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4:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, command God, don't get supreme Leada Maxwell got me.

5:13 Speaker 7: Well check that out. That is a recording of a

5:17 Speaker 7: live rehearsal there from our friend in studio who we're

5:20 Speaker 7: going to talk to in just a moment. Welcome everybody.

5:22 Speaker 7: We have entered our number two New Marrow dose of

5:26 Speaker 7: Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from the studios

5:29 Speaker 7: of wm NH ninety five point three FM and Glorious Manchester,

5:33 Speaker 7: New Hampshire. And of course you can stream the show

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5:47 Speaker 7: dedicated specifically to the show. You can find the archive

5:50 Speaker 7: of the show there, although we are still adding some

5:53 Speaker 7: features to the site, but please take a look at

5:55 Speaker 7: that if you haven't already. By the way, if you

5:57 Speaker 7: were with us in the first hour of the show,

5:59 Speaker 7: today us heard from Dave Derby from the Dam Builders.

6:02 Speaker 7: He was supposed to be joining us dround the first

6:04 Speaker 7: hour but ran into an issue. But we might get

6:06 Speaker 7: him on in the third hour today, so this might

6:08 Speaker 7: all work out. But let's focus on right now because

6:12 Speaker 7: our friend Mike Lochlan is here in studio. Let me

6:15 Speaker 7: get those Mike's up there. How you doing, Mike, Let's

6:19 Speaker 7: see keep talking?

6:21 Speaker 6: Is it good?

6:22 Speaker 7: Oh? Yeah, there we go?

6:23 Speaker 6: Are we unleashed? Here? Is this unleashed too?

6:25 Speaker 7: This is Matt Connorton Unleash and we are live from

6:29 Speaker 7: the studios of wh Sorry it's from my guitar a

6:33 Speaker 7: little please, would you? Oh that sounds gorgeous. Well, that

6:38 Speaker 7: sounds so good. That sounds so good, so Mike Lachlan,

6:41 Speaker 7: of course, and I got to adjust this camera because

6:44 Speaker 7: you gotta have a camera on you, Mike Lachlan, very

6:47 Speaker 7: old friend.

6:47 Speaker 6: Yeah.

6:48 Speaker 7: I always say I was saying this this morning when

6:50 Speaker 7: I was talking about who's coming on the show today,

6:52 Speaker 7: And you've heard me say this a thousand times. I

6:53 Speaker 7: can always remember exactly how long I've known you. You

6:56 Speaker 7: remember why? Right I I met you? I think it

6:58 Speaker 7: was literally the week of nine to eleven.

7:01 Speaker 6: We have that power over the event our friendship. I

7:05 Speaker 6: could make a really horrible joke, but I won't, but

7:07 Speaker 6: leave it.

7:07 Speaker 7: There too soon. Yeah, no, but uh, but that's very

7:13 Speaker 7: easy to remember how long I've known you. So it's

7:15 Speaker 7: been twenty five years.

7:16 Speaker 6: Oh my god, Yeah, it's time doesn't just fly. It's

7:21 Speaker 6: it's so fleeting. It's I don't even it feels like, honestly,

7:25 Speaker 6: like ten years ago, but like it's twenty. Yeah.

7:27 Speaker 7: Yeah, it goes faster. You notice it goes faster as

7:29 Speaker 7: we get older.

7:30 Speaker 6: Yeah. I think it's a downward spiral toward the toilet bottom.

7:33 Speaker 6: You know that, It's like it goes quicker.

7:35 Speaker 7: Yeah, and it sucks. Have you noticed that how much

7:37 Speaker 7: it sucks?

7:37 Speaker 6: Yeah? That it works out, works more my knees.

7:41 Speaker 7: It's all terrible. I don't have any of those problems,

7:43 Speaker 7: yet I'm actually holding up really well. But uh see,

7:46 Speaker 7: I assume because I like, physically I still feel like

7:49 Speaker 7: I'm twenty five. But I think what that is is

7:51 Speaker 7: I'm just one of those people who I'm just gonna

7:53 Speaker 7: wake up one day and it's all gonna crash all

7:55 Speaker 7: at once. Like I'm just gonna wake up one morning

7:58 Speaker 7: with debilitating back paine and can barely walk, and it's

8:00 Speaker 7: just gonna it's just all gonna hit me all at

8:02 Speaker 7: the same time, I.

8:03 Speaker 6: Think, yes, so do you How are your eyes good?

8:06 Speaker 6: So am mine? I have really good eyes too. Yeah,

8:09 Speaker 6: but it's it's a I keep the same way you

8:12 Speaker 6: just said. I've heard from many people, including a brother

8:15 Speaker 6: of mine, that like, it's you're fine, and then the

8:16 Speaker 6: cliff right, it just comes. I'm like, all right, yeah, yeah,

8:19 Speaker 6: got that, We'll see.

8:21 Speaker 7: Yeah. I'd rather I think I like it the way

8:24 Speaker 7: I like it, the way I'm maintaining for now, at least,

8:27 Speaker 7: because I can still delude myself into just thinking I'm

8:30 Speaker 7: going to feel this way forever, even though you know

8:32 Speaker 7: I'm not going to see the cliff coming. But I

8:34 Speaker 7: guess you're not supposed to see the cliff coming now

8:35 Speaker 7: would or it wouldn't be the cliff.

8:37 Speaker 6: But remember, you're not a mere mortal Matt. You are

8:39 Speaker 6: a former mister Olympian, so that that is a thing

8:42 Speaker 6: that you you were not just amongst us minions here,

8:45 Speaker 6: You're you're a man amongst men.

8:47 Speaker 7: Thank you for mentioning that. Nobody ever brings that up,

8:49 Speaker 7: that I'm a former mister Olympian.

8:51 Speaker 6: It is on your IMDb. I thought it is.

8:53 Speaker 7: Yes, nobody ever gives me credit for it, though, it's

8:56 Speaker 7: almost like they think it's fake or something.

8:58 Speaker 6: I don't consider it fake. That's ron checks. Don't check it,

9:02 Speaker 6: don't look up, don't dat it, don't look for real facts.

9:04 Speaker 6: Just just accept truth when it comes from the mouth

9:07 Speaker 6: of anyone. It's more fun, That's what I say.

9:09 Speaker 7: It's more fun, exactly Well said Sir Well said, So,

9:13 Speaker 7: of course you are a musician from the area, rumored

9:17 Speaker 7: to be Yeah, yeah, how's your life schedule been? You've

9:20 Speaker 7: been playing a lot.

9:21 Speaker 6: I've been playing. I mean, I know last time I

9:23 Speaker 6: talked to you, I think I told you that I

9:25 Speaker 6: have like a vocal condition that kind of makes it

9:28 Speaker 6: rougher for me to play consistently, like back to back

9:30 Speaker 6: nights and right like that.

9:32 Speaker 7: So so you're still dealing with that.

9:34 Speaker 6: It's gonna be a chronic thing, I was told, so

9:37 Speaker 6: like as in, you're just stuck with it forever. I

9:40 Speaker 6: can manage it. But it's like it probably, I mean,

9:43 Speaker 6: it's like, you know, there's certain I was told dietary

9:46 Speaker 6: habits can change things, but I want a really strict diet,

9:48 Speaker 6: and I didn't see any difference. So it's like, this

9:50 Speaker 6: is not fun.

9:51 Speaker 7: Oh wow, So.

9:54 Speaker 6: You know it's it's I think part of it's probably psychological.

9:59 Speaker 6: You start overthinking because it's all about your tent, my

10:01 Speaker 6: tension in my vocal cords. So if you get nervous

10:04 Speaker 6: or you start thinking about it too much, that becomes

10:06 Speaker 6: a problem with your vocal cords because your upper body

10:09 Speaker 6: tenses up.

10:10 Speaker 7: So it works the same as ed as what you're saying.

10:13 Speaker 6: I mean, let's just put it in the same let's

10:17 Speaker 6: put it in the same category.

10:19 Speaker 7: Sure, sure, So so how do you how do you

10:23 Speaker 7: manage that? So do you just you just don't play?

10:26 Speaker 6: I don't play. I can play basically. I play mostly

10:28 Speaker 6: once a week, sometimes twice, but that's rare. It stinks

10:33 Speaker 6: because I really over the years, and you've known me,

10:34 Speaker 6: I've I love playing in bands and I miss doing that.

10:37 Speaker 6: But the way of doing if I had rehearsal time

10:40 Speaker 6: and then gigs, that would make it really hard for me.

10:43 Speaker 7: Oh geez, I didn't even think of that part because.

10:45 Speaker 6: I'd be and I'm a pretty I go for it vocally,

10:48 Speaker 6: so hard for me to kind of just I can't

10:50 Speaker 6: just fake it and be like, Okay, tonight, we're going

10:53 Speaker 6: to do this and all this. But like the whole

10:55 Speaker 6: feeling of a practice even is come of the same

10:57 Speaker 6: as a live gig for me. So which now maybe

10:59 Speaker 6: that's wrong to do, that's just the way it is

11:01 Speaker 6: for me, so.

11:01 Speaker 7: Right right, Wow, Well, I'm dying to hear you play.

11:04 Speaker 7: I haven't. It's been so long since. When was the

11:06 Speaker 7: last time you're on the show? I know it's been

11:07 Speaker 7: at least a couple of years, because this is your

11:08 Speaker 7: first time in the news studio.

11:10 Speaker 6: It's three or four years ago. Oh my god, I don't, wow,

11:14 Speaker 6: I don't know.

11:15 Speaker 7: No, I can't be that one.

11:16 Speaker 6: Four years ago sounds right, right? Maybe four three? I

11:19 Speaker 6: remember you had who's the guy who? You had a

11:22 Speaker 6: great photo on the wall of a painting of one

11:25 Speaker 6: of your boy Uh.

11:27 Speaker 7: Oh, it was probably Gonzo because because we used to

11:30 Speaker 7: have a lot of his.

11:30 Speaker 6: Artwork in the old studio front of some guy's head

11:33 Speaker 6: and it was like, oh yeah, paragraph head.

11:35 Speaker 7: The giant cardboard Peter Whitehead.

11:36 Speaker 6: Yes, yes, that's great, I remember that one.

11:38 Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, A little little less space here. This room

11:42 Speaker 7: is smaller, but but it's better, you know. The new

11:44 Speaker 7: building is wonderful. It's funny when I first found out

11:48 Speaker 7: we were moving here, because this used to be a

11:49 Speaker 7: bus station and it still shows up on Google has

11:52 Speaker 7: a bus station, which is why there's even a sign

11:54 Speaker 7: on the building that says we do not sell bus

11:55 Speaker 7: tickets here because sometimes why people still ring the doorbell

11:58 Speaker 7: wanting bus tickets. It's crazy. But uh, when we've When

12:01 Speaker 7: I found out we were first moving here, I was like, oh,

12:02 Speaker 7: the building is going to be too small. We're moving there, really,

12:04 Speaker 7: But it's kind of like one of those magic buildings

12:06 Speaker 7: where you walk inside and there's actually a lot more

12:08 Speaker 7: space on it than you would expect.

12:09 Speaker 6: It's like that movie back Rooms. Have you seen the

12:12 Speaker 6: trailer for that? No, it's like some old it's a

12:14 Speaker 6: YouTube thing from years ago. Oh really, but it's like

12:16 Speaker 6: one of those old industrial buildings. Yeah, that just seems

12:19 Speaker 6: to go on forever. Yeah, and that that's kind of

12:21 Speaker 6: the premise. It's like this weird space that's in there,

12:24 Speaker 6: that's like, how is this keep going?

12:26 Speaker 5: Right?

12:26 Speaker 6: So yeah, oh it's kind of it looks.

12:28 Speaker 7: Like this, Oh interesting to be had, it's interesting. Yeah,

12:31 Speaker 7: Well I'm dying here you play what do you? What

12:32 Speaker 7: are you gonna play for us?

12:34 Speaker 6: I'm gonna play a newer song called on deaf ears?

12:37 Speaker 7: All right, Mike laughlan here with us live in studio.

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13:11 Speaker 5: you ride somewhere aware of the righteous singing or single

13:17 Speaker 5: or his side. Let me be witneys lemma here a

13:23 Speaker 5: ma'am from the congregation, singing songs.

13:28 Speaker 6: For only them.

13:31 Speaker 5: Maybe again I'm blind to see, but I don't na

13:35 Speaker 5: send man for me. I just want me taking for

13:39 Speaker 5: I high hide.

13:42 Speaker 7: Forty five.

13:43 Speaker 5: Found the words you sing. I will speak the man

13:47 Speaker 5: anyway because I'm going where they'd be falling on ever.

13:54 Speaker 8: Again, see that I'm shining halos. I see the tears

14:22 Speaker 8: you shed.

14:24 Speaker 5: It's the only when there's eyes around us siege. Just

14:27 Speaker 5: what you did, because every thing is our texts Now

14:33 Speaker 5: everything's for sale, currencies.

14:37 Speaker 6: You and me? I souls? Or what is bill? Maybe

14:42 Speaker 6: he ain't?

14:42 Speaker 5: How't you blind to see? But I know all this

14:45 Speaker 5: ain't meant for me, and I just want to take

14:49 Speaker 5: him for I Hi hide? What if I found the

14:54 Speaker 5: words you say?

14:56 Speaker 6: I want?

14:56 Speaker 7: He speak?

14:57 Speaker 5: The man anyway? Was I'm over there befalling around eye

15:04 Speaker 5: again and the everything there it was, He's upside down

15:42 Speaker 5: and maybe you're just finally see anything. I'm not playing alone.

16:17 Speaker 5: Maybe he I'm flying to see. I don't want the

16:20 Speaker 5: same man for me.

16:22 Speaker 6: The night you's gonna be.

16:24 Speaker 5: Taken for I hide. But if I've found the worst

16:30 Speaker 5: you say, I will then speak the many way. Of course,

16:34 Speaker 5: I know where the hate be falling around ef again,

16:48 Speaker 5: around ethe skin live game.

17:08 Speaker 7: Oh my god, I love it.

17:10 Speaker 6: Oh that was great, see monsieur.

17:12 Speaker 7: What's that called again?

17:13 Speaker 6: On deaf ears?

17:14 Speaker 7: On deaf Ears? What a great track if you're just

17:17 Speaker 7: joining us? Are a great song? I should say not

17:19 Speaker 7: a track because it's not pre recorded, but welcome everybody

17:23 Speaker 7: if you are just joining us. Mike Lachlan is here

17:25 Speaker 7: with us live in studio. That is wonderful. Now, when

17:28 Speaker 7: did you write that was that recent.

17:30 Speaker 6: Probably in the last five months. Really, it's four or

17:35 Speaker 6: five months.

17:35 Speaker 7: Yeah, pretty fresh. Yeah, Well, any particular inspiration for.

17:38 Speaker 6: That, I would just call somewhat social media madness, gotcha, gotcha.

17:45 Speaker 6: I mean that that warmhole of bottomless pit of nothing

17:49 Speaker 6: that I think is killing us and destroying us. As

17:53 Speaker 6: that's kind of the inspiration somewhat. It's it's not an

17:55 Speaker 6: obvious but it's like partly Yeah, yeah.

17:58 Speaker 7: You've been talking about that a lot. You've been posting

18:00 Speaker 7: about that well actually over the years. I don't know

18:02 Speaker 7: if I saw something just the other day about it

18:04 Speaker 7: that you posted.

18:05 Speaker 6: I use it just for my own I always called

18:08 Speaker 6: it about a digital bathroom stall like it's not like,

18:10 Speaker 6: it's not I expect nothing. It's just a way to

18:14 Speaker 6: I usually do either try to provoke by a thought,

18:16 Speaker 6: not like intentionally to try and be a provocateur, but

18:19 Speaker 6: just to kind of provoke thought or it's it's nonsense

18:23 Speaker 6: and it's and I don't I don't think it's healthy

18:27 Speaker 6: for us. Especially. Facebook's unique that way because Facebook is

18:31 Speaker 6: people that are first of all, it's old people now,

18:34 Speaker 6: but it's but it's mostly friends, right, It's not like

18:38 Speaker 6: Twitter or the artist formally known as twitter X. It's

18:42 Speaker 6: not like that where you're just shooting it off into

18:44 Speaker 6: the ether with people you don't know. It's it's people

18:47 Speaker 6: you know, and then you start hating on each other.

18:49 Speaker 6: It's like, yeah, it's I was way too engaged, like

18:53 Speaker 6: years ago, and I was like, this is horrible for

18:54 Speaker 6: my mental health. It was dad, and I was like,

18:57 Speaker 6: all right, this is supposed to just be fun and silly,

18:59 Speaker 6: and I think I take I kind of took it

19:02 Speaker 6: that way. I would take it having a conversation at

19:04 Speaker 6: a bar or in person, right, And I don't think

19:06 Speaker 6: most people are that good faith, right, And so I

19:08 Speaker 6: was like, oh, I like discussing. I find the world fascinating. Yeah,

19:13 Speaker 6: tragically and beautifully and all that. But like it was,

19:16 Speaker 6: it's just not healthy and I can just talk to

19:19 Speaker 6: me about myself. But I can see a million people

19:21 Speaker 6: who have the same. Oh if you're unless you're just

19:24 Speaker 6: unfeeling you want to like they're there to destroy, then okay,

19:29 Speaker 6: Like good for you. It's kind of a psychopath but whatever.

19:34 Speaker 7: Yeah, my approach to it is, you know, I like

19:36 Speaker 7: to post some ghost I don't.

19:37 Speaker 6: Smart move the same thing I did that long ago.

19:40 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't argue with people on

19:42 Speaker 7: social media. It might be better for my content if

19:46 Speaker 7: I did, you know, in terms of social engagement, because

19:49 Speaker 7: I do. You know, we don't on this iteration of unleased.

19:52 Speaker 7: We don't do political stuff anymore, but as you know,

19:54 Speaker 7: we used to when I was on an Afternoon So

19:56 Speaker 7: now I keep all that on podcasts, and everything we

19:59 Speaker 7: do here is is not I mean, sometimes we dip

20:02 Speaker 7: into it because it's almost impossible not to sure, especially

20:05 Speaker 7: like if I'm talking to a band who has a

20:07 Speaker 7: message that's, you know, one one way or the other. Uh,

20:11 Speaker 7: usually only one way. I don't really want to hear

20:13 Speaker 7: too much. I don't really want to let too much

20:15 Speaker 7: of well, you know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna

20:19 Speaker 7: have some you know, Maga band on my show. I

20:21 Speaker 7: guess this is what I'm trying. I'm not gonna interview

20:23 Speaker 7: five Finger Death Punch or something like that. I guess

20:25 Speaker 7: that is what I'm saying.

20:26 Speaker 6: But but but don't you find that as okay? So

20:30 Speaker 6: as an interviewer, though, I would say either way, if

20:33 Speaker 6: you're so anti Maga or pro Maga, that's boring to me.

20:37 Speaker 6: I can see why you like or dislike. Yeah, but

20:40 Speaker 6: I don't like. I don't understand the It's it's boring

20:45 Speaker 6: as a think. I come. I'm always kind of a

20:47 Speaker 6: nuanced person, and that gets me hell from everyone right now.

20:51 Speaker 6: So it's like, oh, I see a play, I can

20:53 Speaker 6: go this way and go I see the point. I

20:55 Speaker 6: try to be pretty fair in my devil's advocacy, yes,

20:58 Speaker 6: and that drives, by the way, just for the kids

21:00 Speaker 6: at home listening, it's horrible for your brain because it

21:03 Speaker 6: makes you feel schizophrenic half the time, right because I'm like, well,

21:06 Speaker 6: I see this way, but then I see it this way,

21:08 Speaker 6: and then I go this way. Explosion, right, So it's

21:10 Speaker 6: like a but it's I don't know. I just I

21:12 Speaker 6: find pure it's boring.

21:13 Speaker 7: Well, A lot of part of the problem is I

21:16 Speaker 7: think that we and I've been saying I'm sure you've

21:19 Speaker 7: heard me say this before, because I've been saying this

21:20 Speaker 7: for literally decades. Critical thinking is so discouraged. You're supposed

21:26 Speaker 7: to be a binary thinker. You're supposed to be all

21:29 Speaker 7: the way on one end or all the way on

21:30 Speaker 7: the other. You're and all of your opinions. You're supposed

21:33 Speaker 7: to like you're literally not allowed to say I have

21:36 Speaker 7: mixed feelings about this or anything, or I'm conflicted about this,

21:39 Speaker 7: because then you get called wishy washy, you get called

21:42 Speaker 7: a fence sitter. Yes, you know, you have to be

21:44 Speaker 7: and you have to be consistently. If it's politics, you

21:47 Speaker 7: have to be consistently all one or all the other,

21:49 Speaker 7: or or because everybody eats their own, both liberals and

21:52 Speaker 7: conservatives and everybody, you know, they get so mad at

21:55 Speaker 7: you if you dare have an independent or a dissenting thought.

21:58 Speaker 7: You know, it's very clear, like like I mean, social

22:01 Speaker 7: media is more clickish than school was.

22:04 Speaker 6: Growing It's way worse. It's worse because there's an audience watching,

22:08 Speaker 6: and that makes the pressure of like did Matt just

22:10 Speaker 6: say that?

22:11 Speaker 2: Right?

22:12 Speaker 6: What's going on with Matt?

22:13 Speaker 7: Right?

22:13 Speaker 6: It's like so, and it's not again as a person,

22:16 Speaker 6: and I know you obviously do because you do this

22:19 Speaker 6: on shows and I love talking I hate politics. Yeah,

22:22 Speaker 6: I despise it because I think it's basically it's k fabey.

22:26 Speaker 6: It's really a wrestler guy. It really is pro wrestling,

22:30 Speaker 6: and I think that people don't It's so strange to

22:33 Speaker 6: me that we all kind of cry about it and

22:36 Speaker 6: get all mad about it. But then every four years

22:38 Speaker 6: we seem to play the game again. I believe it's

22:41 Speaker 6: going to be different this time. Right, they're going to

22:42 Speaker 6: say I heard a comedian years ago say that every

22:46 Speaker 6: like politician should be like a NASCAR driver's jacket and

22:50 Speaker 6: have to wear to wear their sponsor on their code

22:52 Speaker 6: to go. Ah, I see where you're coming from. Because

22:55 Speaker 6: everyone's just beholden to their biggest donor exactly. So it's

22:58 Speaker 6: like that, let's just be honest about it. So it

23:01 Speaker 6: doesn't mean they don't have feelings about something. I would

23:04 Speaker 6: say agree with the people. You know, the person who

23:07 Speaker 6: is a D locally that you're friends with is not

23:10 Speaker 6: the same as a person who's a D. You a senator, Yeah,

23:13 Speaker 6: the same thing are you probably have more in common

23:15 Speaker 6: at the local level between And these labels are silly.

23:18 Speaker 6: They're anachronistic too. I don't think that D and R

23:20 Speaker 6: mean anything anymore. I think that's much more. We're seeing

23:24 Speaker 6: a different alignment, I think, but especially right now, it's

23:27 Speaker 6: very interesting what's going on right now. Again, it's another

23:30 Speaker 6: we're going to do music, but like it's fascinating to

23:32 Speaker 6: me and I do like talking about it just on

23:34 Speaker 6: social media. It's because it's not the right place for it.

23:37 Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, I can't argue with people on social media.

23:40 Speaker 7: I just headache.

23:41 Speaker 6: Yeah, I've lost friends.

23:43 Speaker 7: Oh yeah.

23:44 Speaker 6: And it was like for and it's so funny in hindsight,

23:47 Speaker 6: I know now that they would be like, oh, that

23:50 Speaker 6: was a crazy thing, I said, right, but they ghosted

23:55 Speaker 6: me and I was like, oh, you've known me for

23:57 Speaker 6: twenty five years and you thought that that's the interpretation

24:00 Speaker 6: you got. Because I think there was a madness in

24:02 Speaker 6: the last ten years that happened. I think that people

24:04 Speaker 6: went nuts and and I think it all revolves around

24:09 Speaker 6: the totem that is Trump. Yeah, there's a kind of

24:11 Speaker 6: there's a kind of religious worship and demonizing them both ways.

24:14 Speaker 6: It's kind of like this kind of he's either devil

24:16 Speaker 6: or a god, right, And I think that you can't

24:19 Speaker 6: have you can't, we don't. Religion is not a rational thing, right,

24:23 Speaker 6: so they kind of all become a rational agreed.

24:27 Speaker 7: Yeah. It infected my family too. You know. My dad

24:30 Speaker 7: passed away in December, and he was like, he was

24:33 Speaker 7: very uh, he was very angry with me for not

24:36 Speaker 7: agreeing with him.

24:39 Speaker 6: But here's before we move on from this, I know

24:41 Speaker 6: it can get really boring. This is what I'm going

24:42 Speaker 6: to say. This is my own last thing on politics,

24:44 Speaker 6: and I think you have to stop looking at politics

24:46 Speaker 6: as a right left thing politically, if people start thinking

24:49 Speaker 6: about there's different. There's right brained people and there's left

24:52 Speaker 6: brain people, and that truly is the right because there's

24:55 Speaker 6: if you're right brains, you're more usually kind of creative person,

24:58 Speaker 6: you're intuitive, so a certain kind of a person. That

25:00 Speaker 6: is that. The left brain persons more organized, and they're

25:02 Speaker 6: kind of there's more, they're kind of more the the

25:05 Speaker 6: people who are managers at places kind of here's a

25:08 Speaker 6: way to do it, and there's a fairness to a

25:10 Speaker 6: certain thing. Both those are virtues. You want both of them.

25:13 Speaker 6: But it's hard to convince a person who's got that

25:16 Speaker 6: value over here. It doesn't mean they're wrong. It means

25:19 Speaker 6: that they hold a hierarchy, one thing more important than

25:22 Speaker 6: the other than you do. And that's all that it is.

25:24 Speaker 6: And I think if people saw, oh that I get it,

25:28 Speaker 6: it would make us more because we're hating each other

25:30 Speaker 6: in a way that's weird to me. There's some things. Look,

25:33 Speaker 6: I'm sure there's some things that you have a red

25:34 Speaker 6: line on that's like that's all of course, of course,

25:37 Speaker 6: But like for the most part, I think it's we're

25:40 Speaker 6: all we're all just trying to get by. Man. It

25:43 Speaker 6: sounds like I'm kind of a hippie and an old

25:45 Speaker 6: school hippie way in that way. I'm just like, it's

25:47 Speaker 6: all just who cares, Like, let's all just be good

25:50 Speaker 6: to another. It sounds like a cliche.

25:51 Speaker 7: But before we leave the subject entirely, though, I just

25:54 Speaker 7: have to ask you this, because when you and I

25:56 Speaker 7: worked together at Strawberries all those years ago, and and

26:00 Speaker 7: I just remember you and me and and Jeremy and

26:02 Speaker 7: of course Lee shout out to Jeremy. Oh yeah, I

26:04 Speaker 7: love Jeremy. And uh, every once in a while he'll

26:07 Speaker 7: send like a messenger. He'll send me something kiss related

26:09 Speaker 7: that he just happened. And he's not a kiss fan,

26:11 Speaker 7: but he'll just he'll see something. He'll say, Oll, Matt

26:13 Speaker 7: would like this, And of course Lee, and uh, you know,

26:17 Speaker 7: like it's it. Do you ever just kind of feel

26:20 Speaker 7: wistful for like it? It doesn't it seem like it

26:23 Speaker 7: was a simpler time. Yes, during the I never like

26:26 Speaker 7: I never imagined I would pine for the days of

26:28 Speaker 7: the George W. Bush administration, but I actually do.

26:31 Speaker 6: I don't pine for the time. It's not that it's

26:32 Speaker 6: not the right way. It wasn't social media, right, that's

26:35 Speaker 6: the big There was no iPhone and there was no

26:37 Speaker 6: social media. Yeah, and the two big this is why again,

26:39 Speaker 6: if you want to rock me and many of my

26:41 Speaker 6: friends have talked about why there are no rock stars anymore,

26:44 Speaker 6: it's the phone. Yeah, because if you had all the

26:46 Speaker 6: stories you hear about Aerosmith and led Zeppelin with there

26:48 Speaker 6: was phones everywhere.

26:49 Speaker 7: That's a you know, I've never even thought about that would.

26:51 Speaker 6: Be that's why there's no rock stars. You have to

26:53 Speaker 6: be careful.

26:54 Speaker 7: I've never even thought of it that way. That's a

26:56 Speaker 7: great insight, though, You're right.

26:57 Speaker 6: Yeah, it was like, oh, that's part Now you have

26:59 Speaker 6: to get some people say ef it, but then they

27:03 Speaker 6: have to deal with the kind of collateral of that.

27:05 Speaker 6: Because there was a thing and if it was nineteen

27:07 Speaker 6: seventy four, Jimmy Page was doing all kinds of things, right,

27:11 Speaker 6: you know, and there was a kind of mythology and

27:14 Speaker 6: we didn't see it, but it was kind of accepted

27:16 Speaker 6: to because it was that's what rock stars do. We

27:19 Speaker 6: live in a different time now because of social media.

27:21 Speaker 6: And again, I don't think it's good faith people for

27:23 Speaker 6: the most part who hear any ship. It's the kind

27:26 Speaker 6: of angry ones who but it's not accepted now, even

27:30 Speaker 6: though it's kind of this kind of a weird thing

27:32 Speaker 6: in the back of our head, that kind of as

27:34 Speaker 6: you're saying, you long for the days of George W. Bush,

27:36 Speaker 6: I don't.

27:37 Speaker 7: But I don't either.

27:39 Speaker 6: I know what you mean by that. It was simpler,

27:41 Speaker 6: but it was no I know you.

27:43 Speaker 7: I'm just a hyperbolic Yah.

27:44 Speaker 6: Yeah, it was a simpler time because we weren't. It

27:47 Speaker 6: was a smaller world. Yeah, we're too we know too

27:50 Speaker 6: many things. Like I was thinking, kind of like social media,

27:53 Speaker 6: you know, that superpower of being inside someone's head. We

27:55 Speaker 6: could read people's thoughts. We kind of are now, meaning

27:58 Speaker 6: I can go to the grocery store and if i'm

28:00 Speaker 6: Facebook friends or someone with like five people, I can go, oh,

28:05 Speaker 6: there's Billy. I know what he thinks. It's like a

28:08 Speaker 6: weird thing. It's not healthy though, I'm not supposed to

28:11 Speaker 6: know this much about each other. And that's why I

28:13 Speaker 6: think the beauty of yesteryear for rock stars was the

28:17 Speaker 6: kind of the mystique. That's why I've always thought Tool.

28:21 Speaker 6: I've always respected Tool because you didn't know anything about

28:23 Speaker 6: them for a modern band, like before you could. That

28:26 Speaker 6: was true of everyone. It was always like David Bowie

28:28 Speaker 6: was just this this creature, you know, But like now

28:32 Speaker 6: everyone knows and everyone wants to be seen, which I hate.

28:35 Speaker 7: Yes, here were here, I am.

28:38 Speaker 6: It's boring, especially a Rocks, which are rock stars, but

28:44 Speaker 6: any I mean, maybe I'm I'm putting too much creed.

28:48 Speaker 6: I s beacause I miss that because the rock stars

28:50 Speaker 6: was part of my youth. But it's also I think

28:53 Speaker 6: it means something to culture. I think there's something about

28:56 Speaker 6: some girl or guy who's got swagger. I miss core love.

29:00 Speaker 6: It might sound crazy, I miss Cornel, I miss I

29:02 Speaker 6: miss early Madonna, like I thought, there's no girl like

29:05 Speaker 6: that now, And I think that like Madonna was way

29:09 Speaker 6: more cutting edge than people give her credit for. I agree,

29:11 Speaker 6: it's like she's not Britney Spears as people compared, like

29:14 Speaker 6: she's the new British from Pearsons, the new Britney Spears,

29:16 Speaker 6: New Madonna, right, Sabrina Carpenter, No, you don't get it.

29:19 Speaker 6: Madonna was always going onto the underground clubs of London

29:23 Speaker 6: and Chicago and New York and finding the unknown dance

29:27 Speaker 6: music right and making that sound of pop, whereas modern popular.

29:30 Speaker 6: Who's the I want, who's the guy from Sweden who

29:33 Speaker 6: does everything? Matt Moore, Matt uh something, I forget his name,

29:37 Speaker 6: but he does every song these producers. I want the

29:40 Speaker 6: famous guy who can make me sound like a hit boring, right,

29:43 Speaker 6: Like that's not gonna make You're gonna sound like everybody

29:44 Speaker 6: else exactly. So I miss originality. I miss Marilyn Manson.

29:49 Speaker 6: I'm never the biggest Manson fan, but I love the

29:52 Speaker 6: kind of that guy's doing that right, that rebel spirit

29:56 Speaker 6: I guess of music is gone and.

29:58 Speaker 7: He's still and it's not like like he's a an

30:00 Speaker 7: example of someone who's still very active making music, but

30:03 Speaker 7: the but the reaction to it is not there, like

30:06 Speaker 7: he seems pass a Now.

30:08 Speaker 6: I think it's going to come back, I really do.

30:11 Speaker 6: I think there's a kind of I just I think

30:14 Speaker 6: kids who are the children of gen xers. I think

30:19 Speaker 6: gen X was so coolah and by the way, we were,

30:22 Speaker 6: that's right. No, I say this gen X is the

30:25 Speaker 6: coolest generation. We're not the greatest generation, but we're the

30:28 Speaker 6: coolest generation. And because I mean, it's what. It was

30:31 Speaker 6: a magical time to be alive. And art was great,

30:34 Speaker 6: movies and film movies and music, and it was just

30:37 Speaker 6: a cool time to be alive for a lot of reasons.

30:41 Speaker 6: It was a lucky time to be alive, to be fair,

30:44 Speaker 6: to go through your kind of formative years.

30:46 Speaker 7: So I agree. I agree. Well, very good. While I'm

30:49 Speaker 7: dying to here another one if you're just joining us.

30:51 Speaker 7: Oh quick update for our live listeners. Dave Derby from

30:54 Speaker 7: The Damn Builders will be with us at eleven fifteen

30:58 Speaker 7: am in the third hour, So we have we have

31:01 Speaker 7: secured Dave Derby, which I'm relieved about because I was

31:05 Speaker 7: bummed I didn't get to talk to him earlier. Do

31:07 Speaker 7: you remember the Damn Builders. They're they're Boston band, but

31:10 Speaker 7: they they were on MTV. When I first found out

31:13 Speaker 7: I was gonna be interviewing Dave today, I was like,

31:15 Speaker 7: oh my god, I remembered the video for Shine.

31:18 Speaker 2: Do you remember that?

31:18 Speaker 6: I certainly know the name? Yeah, I don't know I

31:21 Speaker 6: did they play with. I feel like they played with

31:23 Speaker 6: someone big that I know like probably that I was

31:27 Speaker 6: like a really big fan of and they work were

31:29 Speaker 6: either they did a song with I don't know, maybe

31:31 Speaker 6: I'm wrong, maybe think of the wrong band. I definitely

31:33 Speaker 6: know the name.

31:33 Speaker 7: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, Well very good. So what are

31:36 Speaker 7: you gonna play for us now.

31:37 Speaker 6: Mike, I'm gonna play a newer song called lust and Wine.

31:40 Speaker 7: All right, Mike, Mike Lachlan is here with us live

31:44 Speaker 7: in studio.

32:00 Speaker 5: H Well, the dayline makes me nervous, makes me want

32:28 Speaker 5: you on, and I memor Rezi burning.

32:36 Speaker 6: When they put before the lie.

32:40 Speaker 5: Where some things are e turnal, it's some things are divine,

32:50 Speaker 5: lovely lingers lasting. If you won't speace in time, here

32:58 Speaker 5: these asses stays.

33:02 Speaker 6: Like Stanning wid.

33:06 Speaker 9: Here now.

33:09 Speaker 5: My comfy spoke by my way, run strive.

33:18 Speaker 6: Nin't you?

33:19 Speaker 5: Wings that could give me fly.

33:23 Speaker 7: Both The Devil's.

33:25 Speaker 6: Song keeps me here tonight.

33:45 Speaker 5: Will redized. While I'm reading Scattered along the Flies You

33:54 Speaker 5: poetry and fiction I always made me feel a life. Well,

34:02 Speaker 5: maybe I'm just staying now, just by in time chill.

34:12 Speaker 6: I am released by that aches kiss you to night.

34:20 Speaker 5: Now. These ashes tease like clo stand why.

34:28 Speaker 6: He now.

34:30 Speaker 5: My cumpy is futher my way wrong strip the Angel Wings,

34:40 Speaker 5: they could help me, fly Boy, The Devil's.

34:46 Speaker 6: Song keeps me eager tonight.

35:22 Speaker 5: Here now, he says, she's tea like loose snay. Now

35:33 Speaker 5: my coffee is full by.

35:35 Speaker 9: My Wayron Stripe, The Angel Wings that heve me fly.

35:47 Speaker 5: Bove the Devil's Song, It keeps me he tonight.

36:11 Speaker 7: I love it, I love it. Mike Lachlan is here

36:14 Speaker 7: with us, alive in studio. That was great. That's called

36:18 Speaker 7: lust and wine. All right, very very good if you

36:21 Speaker 7: are just doing us. Mike Lachlan is here with us.

36:23 Speaker 7: He's been playing some tunes and we've been talking. And uh,

36:26 Speaker 7: I've known Mike for a very long time. Are you

36:28 Speaker 7: in the five timers club here on the show?

36:30 Speaker 6: Have you been on five time?

36:32 Speaker 7: Probably?

36:33 Speaker 6: Probably this show?

36:33 Speaker 7: Probably?

36:34 Speaker 6: I don't think three.

36:36 Speaker 7: Right right, it's easy to lose track because I've interviewed

36:39 Speaker 7: you on Local Outbreak and you've been and you were

36:41 Speaker 7: the original host.

36:41 Speaker 6: And we we've we've we've talked what four score probably

36:45 Speaker 6: times that we've done many many.

36:48 Speaker 7: Absolutely absolutely remember one of the times was at the

36:52 Speaker 7: salon at Styling Souls in Manchester. Do you remember that?

36:56 Speaker 6: That was Yeah, that was yeah, that was right. Wow,

36:59 Speaker 6: that's a long time. I was sixteen years ago.

37:01 Speaker 7: Oh my god.

37:02 Speaker 6: That was because I was going to move to New York. Yeah,

37:05 Speaker 6: and then that'll whatever. Yeah. Yeah, I was leaving and

37:10 Speaker 6: I was like, oh I was going to do I

37:11 Speaker 6: did a show.

37:12 Speaker 7: You ended up in another band?

37:14 Speaker 6: Well I would I started another band at that time,

37:16 Speaker 6: but I was planning on it was going to end.

37:18 Speaker 6: It's kind of a temporary thing cause I was like,

37:20 Speaker 6: I have so much really with that band, which was

37:22 Speaker 6: Glorious Noise, and my old band was Mantra. Yes, and

37:25 Speaker 6: then but Mantra was it kind of grew, it grew

37:29 Speaker 6: out of itself in my from what I was going,

37:31 Speaker 6: I was like, the sound that became Glorious Noise was

37:34 Speaker 6: the sound I wanted Mantra to be, right, well, at

37:36 Speaker 6: least try for a little while, trying new shoot on

37:38 Speaker 6: for a little bit right, more rhythmic, yeah, which we

37:43 Speaker 6: could have because we had the people. It was just

37:46 Speaker 6: I don't know, I think it's just life. I think

37:48 Speaker 6: somethings it was. Part of it was we just creatively

37:52 Speaker 6: were different, and some of it was also just life happened,

37:56 Speaker 6: you know, kids, people had kids, and yeah, that stuff

37:59 Speaker 6: happens to bands, you know.

38:01 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely do you. I mean, I

38:05 Speaker 7: know you know you talked earlier about the what was

38:07 Speaker 7: it called again as a dystonia.

38:09 Speaker 6: It's called muscular muscle tension dysphonia dysphonia. Yeah, I always

38:14 Speaker 6: get the JV version of what RFK Junior has. Oh

38:16 Speaker 6: really like he has the much more. You could hear

38:19 Speaker 6: it in his voice. But it's neu I think it's

38:21 Speaker 6: they say. When I went, they said it might be neurological,

38:24 Speaker 6: but it's I think it's more psychological. If I'm being

38:26 Speaker 6: I've looked up online and you don't trust everything you

38:29 Speaker 6: read online. But they told me that at when I

38:33 Speaker 6: went for vocal therapy too, it could be some of that.

38:35 Speaker 6: It's and I also sing incorrectly.

38:38 Speaker 7: You do in one way.

38:39 Speaker 6: They said, I don't breathe.

38:41 Speaker 7: Enough more with your throat than probably I've never.

38:43 Speaker 6: Learned how to sing. So it's like.

38:47 Speaker 7: It's like it works for you.

38:48 Speaker 6: But but yeah, but I think it's one of the well,

38:51 Speaker 6: that's kind of unfortunately what the therapist scal told me.

38:54 Speaker 6: She said, you've been lucky that you've got by because

38:56 Speaker 6: you're good enough at this to do. You've probably heard

39:00 Speaker 6: your your vocal, your your the way you sing is

39:03 Speaker 6: not technically correct. So I don't know. I mean it's

39:07 Speaker 6: I've tried things I can't. It's it's hard to break.

39:11 Speaker 6: I don't know. I feel sometimes I feel great, yeah,

39:14 Speaker 6: and sometimes I don't. It's it's it's like a hit

39:16 Speaker 6: or miss things.

39:16 Speaker 7: Yeah, because you've been dealing with this for quite a

39:18 Speaker 7: few years now, right, Yeah.

39:20 Speaker 6: And when I play gigs, I'm playing for three hours,

39:22 Speaker 6: so it gets tired.

39:24 Speaker 7: Oh my god.

39:24 Speaker 6: Yeah, but that's mean with breaks obviously, so it's probably

39:27 Speaker 6: about closer to like two ten. Yeah, but uh, it's

39:32 Speaker 6: still you know, it's it. It is what it is,

39:36 Speaker 6: so I mean whatever, we all have our cross to bear. Oh,

39:38 Speaker 6: of course, of course as a singer.

39:39 Speaker 8: It sucks.

39:40 Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah. Do you miss being in a band ever? Yeah?

39:43 Speaker 6: I miss feeling the kick drum. Yeah, it's just like

39:46 Speaker 6: one of those or like feeling like that kind of

39:49 Speaker 6: resonance from the bass. I was actually gonna ask you

39:52 Speaker 6: a question about music. Yes, I was thinking about old

39:55 Speaker 6: bands from that era. Yeah, yeah, a band you were in. Yeah,

39:59 Speaker 6: is there any is there any kind of recordings of

40:04 Speaker 6: Viper Casino.

40:06 Speaker 7: No, because we never got it. We never played a

40:10 Speaker 7: single show as.

40:10 Speaker 6: You ever rehearsed. You guys record anything together?

40:13 Speaker 7: No, So so Hillman and I, you know, we got

40:16 Speaker 7: together a bunch and just played and then we were

40:19 Speaker 7: supposed to do a show. Remember that I had a

40:22 Speaker 7: show booked in Uh jeez, where was it.

40:27 Speaker 6: I was excited for you guys that was really close

40:29 Speaker 6: with Andrew.

40:30 Speaker 7: So yeah, yeah, I was. I was excited about it

40:33 Speaker 7: because I thought the whole thing was cool as hell

40:35 Speaker 7: and it was very bizarre, which was cool. Yeah, that's

40:38 Speaker 7: part of what I was excited about. I was like,

40:40 Speaker 7: this is so far out of anything I've done. And

40:42 Speaker 7: then he just totally blew me off because leading up

40:45 Speaker 7: to the show, he just stopped communicating with me. That's

40:49 Speaker 7: but I don't know if you remember he did eventually

40:51 Speaker 7: apologize to me.

40:52 Speaker 6: He's a nice dude.

40:53 Speaker 7: Yeah, yeah, because because you were with him when he did,

40:55 Speaker 7: because he came in I was an f ye and

40:57 Speaker 7: conqueror and you guys came into them all that day

40:59 Speaker 7: and he actually came and apologized to me. This was

41:02 Speaker 7: like years later. Yeah, but he finally said I'm sorry,

41:05 Speaker 7: and and uh, you know, he said something about he

41:08 Speaker 7: was just going through a lot at the time, and.

41:10 Speaker 6: Was it similar to what he was doing as Viper.

41:13 Speaker 7: Yeah, the idea was it was going to be what

41:15 Speaker 7: he was doing as Viper, but I was going to

41:17 Speaker 7: play bass. I was gonna be his live bass player,

41:19 Speaker 7: and we were going to do this thing where he'd

41:20 Speaker 7: be in the he'd be in the Viper. His Viper

41:24 Speaker 7: costume or whatever you want to call it was all crazy,

41:27 Speaker 7: and I was gonna wear a suit so it would

41:29 Speaker 7: be that contrast and manager. Yeah, yeah, or kind of

41:33 Speaker 7: like you know, he's Viper and I'm the I'm the

41:35 Speaker 7: pit boss of the casino or something, you know, because

41:37 Speaker 7: it was a Viper casino, that was that was what

41:39 Speaker 7: it was going to be, and I was so excited

41:41 Speaker 7: about it. And then he just and we had a showbooked.

41:44 Speaker 7: It was going to be our first show together as

41:45 Speaker 7: Viper Casino, and he just uh, But I'll tell you this,

41:49 Speaker 7: that remains one of my favorite interviews I've ever done.

41:52 Speaker 7: When I before before Vipers, when it was when he

41:55 Speaker 7: was his Viper and he just started his Viper and

41:58 Speaker 7: I interviewed him and it it remains to this day

42:01 Speaker 7: one of my favorite interviews because he's totally in character

42:04 Speaker 7: at the entire time, and it was hilarious.

42:09 Speaker 6: It was when I was do I was there.

42:11 Speaker 7: You probably were there for him?

42:13 Speaker 6: Was that in his barn?

42:14 Speaker 4: No?

42:15 Speaker 6: Okay, there was something I remember. I think I was

42:17 Speaker 6: there for this though, I.

42:18 Speaker 7: Mean I vividly remember the barn. I remember he was

42:21 Speaker 7: there too for that. Yeah, I remember you being there

42:23 Speaker 7: for stuff. Yeah, because I think we did a follow up,

42:25 Speaker 7: but he was.

42:26 Speaker 6: No.

42:26 Speaker 7: This was when I was hosting The Metal Classroom on

42:29 Speaker 7: Rage Rock Radio dot Com. Okay, so it was like

42:31 Speaker 7: my first time ever hosting my own show. And uh

42:35 Speaker 7: or eventually the Metal Classroom became the Hidden track. And

42:38 Speaker 7: I can't remember if it was still the Metal Classroom

42:41 Speaker 7: or for it become the hidden track at that point,

42:42 Speaker 7: but but yeah, and it was he was it was.

42:46 Speaker 7: Do you remember Hammer? You must have met Hammer at

42:48 Speaker 7: some point. Hammer Hammer owned Rage rock Radio dot Com.

42:53 Speaker 7: I've completely lost touch with him. He's out of the

42:54 Speaker 7: music scene entirely as far as I know. But but

42:57 Speaker 7: so he owned Rage Rock, so he gave me the

42:59 Speaker 7: gig hosting that show, and Viper was one of my

43:02 Speaker 7: first interviews on that show on Rage Rock Radio dot Com.

43:05 Speaker 7: And yeah, he was totally in character and it was hilarious.

43:08 Speaker 6: I saw him do I'm not sure if it was

43:10 Speaker 6: his first show. It might have been. Yeah, it was

43:12 Speaker 6: either his first or second show I was. I went

43:14 Speaker 6: with him. Yeah, it was somewhere like in it was

43:18 Speaker 6: like mass, something like your Mass or something.

43:22 Speaker 7: Oh, and it was at the jump Off.

43:24 Speaker 6: I don't remember the name of the club.

43:26 Speaker 7: I'm pretty sure it was at the No Wild Yeah,

43:29 Speaker 7: the jump Off in Lawrence or something.

43:31 Speaker 6: It was either it was maybe it was I don't remember.

43:35 Speaker 6: It's all worry to me, but it was. It was

43:38 Speaker 6: whild watching like all these bands would play, and then

43:40 Speaker 6: he got up there in full mask, smoke machine yeah,

43:44 Speaker 6: just yeah, and just these random repeated loop techno like

43:49 Speaker 6: Skinny Puppy. It was like this wild thing. It was

43:52 Speaker 6: just and that for me, first of all, was just

43:54 Speaker 6: kind of proud of my friend doing it. Yeah, he's

43:56 Speaker 6: he's committed and it was kind of great to see

43:58 Speaker 6: him come alive and do it.

43:59 Speaker 7: Yeah.

43:59 Speaker 6: Because if anyone knows we're talking about Andrew Hillman, I've

44:01 Speaker 6: known him forever. He was in two of my bands.

44:04 Speaker 7: Yeah, very talent.

44:04 Speaker 6: He is also I wish he's a natural born rock star. Yeah,

44:08 Speaker 6: and like he just he's so good at it and

44:11 Speaker 6: he's a great bass player. I played bass. Oh yeah,

44:13 Speaker 6: so but he has a totally interesting vibe of Yeah,

44:19 Speaker 6: he was committed to something that was totally unique and

44:21 Speaker 6: he's very fun very funny.

44:23 Speaker 7: But yeah, and I remember that night too because I

44:26 Speaker 7: obviously I was at that that show and uh he

44:28 Speaker 7: said something about wanting to have a band, like like

44:31 Speaker 7: maybe having a bass player, and I was like, really,

44:36 Speaker 7: because I'll do it.

44:39 Speaker 6: You're that easy man. Oh yeah, well I was just

44:41 Speaker 6: you were, you were intrigued.

44:43 Speaker 7: I was so into it because it was so strange

44:46 Speaker 7: and so cool. I was like, dude, if you want

44:48 Speaker 7: me to play with you, I'll play.

44:50 Speaker 6: Oh yeah, that's funny.

44:51 Speaker 7: But but yeah, but it never never got off the

44:54 Speaker 7: ground anyway. But uh yeah, so you were Now when

44:58 Speaker 7: I first met you, you were and something.

45:01 Speaker 6: Worst band name of all time. But I but whatever,

45:03 Speaker 6: it is what it is.

45:04 Speaker 7: But something I feel like something kind of became Mantra coreer.

45:07 Speaker 6: If I'm totally being honest, It's all been kind of

45:11 Speaker 6: one thing because it's just growing.

45:13 Speaker 7: Because it's all each each successive band has had some

45:16 Speaker 7: of the same members, right, yeah.

45:17 Speaker 6: And there. I mean, and I've written ninety five percent

45:20 Speaker 6: of the songs, and I kind of knew. I just

45:22 Speaker 6: my thing is that I'm not I always I'm not

45:25 Speaker 6: capable of pulling it off like I'm not Billy Corgan.

45:28 Speaker 6: You can do in the studio, just do everything myself.

45:30 Speaker 6: And I like being in a band the beauty of

45:33 Speaker 6: like like John Bellefonte, when I was in something, it

45:35 Speaker 6: was me and Hillman, We're just playing in a barn.

45:38 Speaker 6: And then I had these songs I was working on,

45:40 Speaker 6: but then John came in and started playing lead over them.

45:42 Speaker 7: I was like, WHOA, what is that?

45:45 Speaker 6: That's exactly what we need because he wasn't playing the

45:47 Speaker 6: blues and I was like, I don't John Ken play

45:50 Speaker 6: the blues? And he does work it into his like

45:54 Speaker 6: he was doing something that was like a universe of sound,

45:56 Speaker 6: and I was like, that's what we need, that's what

45:58 Speaker 6: I want, that's what we're looking for, and that kind

46:01 Speaker 6: of and if you remember, we were so naive other

46:04 Speaker 6: than John, I think the three of us that Me,

46:06 Speaker 6: Sean and Andrew were kind of like kind of we're

46:10 Speaker 6: working through our abilities. We weren't like great players. I

46:13 Speaker 6: certainly was, and I can definitely at least own that

46:15 Speaker 6: for myself. Sean we gave him the bass because he's like, oh,

46:18 Speaker 6: we need a bass player, so he was cool enough

46:21 Speaker 6: to do it. But like we were just naive and

46:23 Speaker 6: we happened to have I think I wrote decent songs

46:26 Speaker 6: and then John could really slay on guitar, and so

46:30 Speaker 6: it was it kind of we were. We were a

46:33 Speaker 6: good band. I think we had to grown. Mantra was

46:37 Speaker 6: more songwriter based. The songs were more focused. I think

46:42 Speaker 6: they sound they were more like concise. And then I

46:46 Speaker 6: had both Gary Mayhew on drums, who's phenomenal, and then Sean,

46:52 Speaker 6: who's a pure great rock and roll drummer. I love

46:54 Speaker 6: Sean thinks like a producer and not like a drummer.

46:58 Speaker 6: You've been like, he's not a he thinks the whole song, yes,

47:02 Speaker 6: which is so nice. That's so awesome. Yeah, as a

47:05 Speaker 6: guy who like he's he Sean's the best. I wish

47:08 Speaker 6: he was going to be here tonight. I was hoping,

47:09 Speaker 6: but I'll be playing a show with Sean. We're doing

47:12 Speaker 6: That's one thing I wanted to say. Yeah, I do

47:13 Speaker 6: it kind of every almost a year. They do it

47:15 Speaker 6: at Giuseppe's and Meredith they have a music memorial to

47:19 Speaker 6: raise money for kid going to school college for music.

47:23 Speaker 6: So Sean's gonna be playing drums and I got a

47:25 Speaker 6: guy named lu Parazzo playing piano, and we're gonna we're

47:29 Speaker 6: kind of like headlining. It sounds stupid, but we're the

47:32 Speaker 6: last band on although Tim Terrio, you know Tim Terrio

47:34 Speaker 6: is No, I don't know Tim. He's amazing. Yeah, he's

47:38 Speaker 6: been playing forever. He was He went on tour with

47:41 Speaker 6: Sully from Godsmack. He was his guitar player. Oh okay,

47:45 Speaker 6: he was a big Portsmouth I forget the name of

47:47 Speaker 6: the band he was in. I feel horrible saying that,

47:49 Speaker 6: but he plays everywhere kind of in the Portsmouth area.

47:53 Speaker 6: He's great. He's a phenomenal I saw him play years

47:56 Speaker 6: ago at somewhere else and he played in the meantime

47:59 Speaker 6: by uh who did that?

48:02 Speaker 7: Oh that's that's space.

48:06 Speaker 6: Space Yeah yeah, I couldn't think of it and it

48:07 Speaker 6: was so good. Really yeah, I was like, oh, he's

48:09 Speaker 6: playing that song. Yeah, because when someone you do the

48:12 Speaker 6: circuit playing cover songs, you hear the same one of course,

48:15 Speaker 6: so it's like, oh he did that and they did

48:16 Speaker 6: sabotage but the Beastie Boys. I was like, that's great. Yeah,

48:19 Speaker 6: so and he can he's just great.

48:21 Speaker 7: Yeah.

48:21 Speaker 6: So I love seeing people who can do great things

48:24 Speaker 6: that I can't do.

48:26 Speaker 7: Yeah, ye, off to get him on the show. Tim

48:28 Speaker 7: Terrio is his name.

48:29 Speaker 6: Yeah, I mean I don't know what he's could he

48:31 Speaker 6: just kind of do in the circuit now, but yeah,

48:33 Speaker 6: he plays professionally whatever you want to call it. He's

48:35 Speaker 6: a hired gun. Yeah, yeah, he's because he's a phenomenal

48:39 Speaker 6: Oh wow, oh.

48:40 Speaker 7: Very cool, very cool. We have time. Do you want

48:43 Speaker 7: to play one more?

48:44 Speaker 6: Sure? Do you want me to do a newer one

48:45 Speaker 6: or do you want me to do an older one?

48:46 Speaker 6: What do you want me?

48:48 Speaker 7: Well, I'm really enjoying hearing the new stuff. Okay, if

48:51 Speaker 7: you're just jowning us, Mike Lachlan is here with us

48:53 Speaker 7: live in studio, and uh yeah the other two you

48:56 Speaker 7: played were pretty new, right both?

48:57 Speaker 6: Yeah for the last last half a year.

49:00 Speaker 7: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, You've always been pretty prolific, right. Have

49:03 Speaker 7: you ever had a drought as a songwriter? Have you ever?

49:06 Speaker 6: I would say yes. Towards the tail end of Mantra,

49:11 Speaker 6: really it was more because I was when you're in

49:15 Speaker 6: a band, you get together and like you have like

49:16 Speaker 6: an what you're doing. I didn't have anywhere to bring it.

49:19 Speaker 6: So I have a lot of songs I write playing

49:21 Speaker 6: right now. They're more acoustic bass because I'm playing acoustic

49:24 Speaker 6: guitar but myself out. But I have been writing. I

49:27 Speaker 6: do write more kind of once it will be bent

49:29 Speaker 6: for a band, but I kind of just go, what's

49:31 Speaker 6: the point of doing that right now? Because I can't

49:33 Speaker 6: do anything with it, So I focus more on the

49:35 Speaker 6: acoustic ones. In mantra, I was starting to red letter

49:38 Speaker 6: Day was written in mantra. I wrote it on keyboard

49:40 Speaker 6: because I wanted this kind of wave sound and I

49:43 Speaker 6: was like that, I don't think that band would have

49:45 Speaker 6: played it. Oh okay, So I was like, I want

49:48 Speaker 6: to start doing I wanted to start doing other things,

49:52 Speaker 6: and I think everyone to be I think everyone was

49:54 Speaker 6: kind of like we were doing well and like that

49:57 Speaker 6: kind of kept this going. Yeah, but I think we

50:02 Speaker 6: all were interested in other things at that point in time.

50:04 Speaker 6: To be to everyone's sure and so sure they're probably

50:06 Speaker 6: all sick of me.

50:10 Speaker 7: All right, what are you gonna play for us?

50:12 Speaker 6: Play another newer one? Called a space inside your mind.

50:16 Speaker 7: All right, Mike Lachlan live in studio with us.

50:32 Speaker 5: Sensum mentally stool, don't call me it all it ista,

50:38 Speaker 5: it's so, it's been.

50:40 Speaker 6: It's gonna be your come live me.

50:43 Speaker 5: It builds a petty stool and put you stand in

50:47 Speaker 5: on you little jewel fantasy us down. What was my

50:52 Speaker 5: phone raving on seeing it in its play? Cheryl said,

51:01 Speaker 5: I wasn't strong enough to be your ma'am. I'm not

51:06 Speaker 5: asking for forgiveness. I'm not asking for your time, just

51:11 Speaker 5: asking for space inside your mind. Now give it you

51:26 Speaker 5: at church so I can do either on my sins,

51:31 Speaker 5: well of him was in one of them for you?

51:35 Speaker 5: It sure has been goo as will be something I

51:40 Speaker 5: keep fered and my soul, well it's over them now. Yeah,

51:44 Speaker 5: blah blah blah.

51:46 Speaker 6: I had to see a gold.

51:48 Speaker 5: I'm not saying I was evil to things heeded in

51:52 Speaker 5: theos plan. Like Cheryl said, I wasn't strong enough to

51:58 Speaker 5: be your man. I'm not asking for for kidness and

52:02 Speaker 5: I'm not asking for your time, just asking for speace

52:08 Speaker 5: inside your mind.

52:31 Speaker 6: Will I hate it?

52:34 Speaker 7: Let it feed it?

52:37 Speaker 5: Sometimes promises and love just can't be cared you be

52:43 Speaker 5: worn it and then be horned. Other feelings I had them,

52:51 Speaker 5: they never left, but they came to rest. Call me

52:58 Speaker 5: a sensimental list.

53:00 Speaker 6: Still don't call me at all.

53:03 Speaker 5: Lead is just Stasi's all it's been. It's gonna be

53:08 Speaker 5: your car. My may builds up, Petty's still letting. But

53:13 Speaker 5: you stand in a but you live up to a fantasy.

53:19 Speaker 5: I guess that was my fault. I'm not saying I.

53:23 Speaker 6: Was able things.

53:24 Speaker 5: They hid it in the lowest fan like Sheryl said,

53:29 Speaker 5: I wasn't strong enough to be your man.

53:33 Speaker 6: I'm not asking for for kidness.

53:36 Speaker 5: I'm not asking for your time, just asking for speak

53:41 Speaker 5: inside your mind. Yeah, speak inside your mind, Speak inside

53:54 Speaker 5: your mind, speak.

53:59 Speaker 7: Inside fantastic, fantastic. Mike Lachlan here with us live in studio. Now,

54:16 Speaker 7: do you have any shows this week on Mike? Where's

54:19 Speaker 7: where's your next show? We should plug your next? Uh next.

54:24 Speaker 6: Next Friday. I'm in a place called the New found

54:28 Speaker 6: in Okay, in Alexandria.

54:30 Speaker 7: Okay, there you go, very good next Friday night? All right?

54:33 Speaker 6: Whatever? Yeah?

54:36 Speaker 7: What time do you go on?

54:40 Speaker 6: So bad at this? I think six?

54:42 Speaker 7: I think six to eight, okay, six to eight? All right, Well,

54:46 Speaker 7: so where should people go? I ask everybody this. I

54:48 Speaker 7: know you hite the question.

54:49 Speaker 6: I'm you can go and find me at led Zeppelin

54:54 Speaker 6: dot com. Wow kidding, No, I don't. I don't have

54:59 Speaker 6: any sites. It's I should be. I'm the worst at

55:01 Speaker 6: this in the entire world. I know. I get people

55:06 Speaker 6: all the time asking me the question. Oh my god,

55:08 Speaker 6: it's like and it's very kind, it's very sweet, and

55:10 Speaker 6: it's like, I know I should. I just don't. I

55:15 Speaker 6: don't think of me playing cover songs is a big deal, right,

55:18 Speaker 6: you know what I mean? Like I play my original work. Yeah,

55:21 Speaker 6: seven or eight of them in every gig I play.

55:22 Speaker 7: Oh that's good.

55:23 Speaker 6: But I just I'm happy for the people who see me.

55:27 Speaker 6: I don't think going to see a cover artist is

55:29 Speaker 6: not a thing people do. They go out for the night,

55:31 Speaker 6: and that's the person there. Yes, and there's the people

55:34 Speaker 6: that they like that go. I'll go see them again

55:36 Speaker 6: every once in a while because I like that person playing.

55:39 Speaker 6: Maybe there's those two people go to everyone of their shows.

55:42 Speaker 6: That seems insane to me. God bless you if you're

55:45 Speaker 6: supporting those people. I just get sick of hearing myself.

55:49 Speaker 6: I can't imagine how people getting sick of hearing me

55:52 Speaker 6: so playing the same songs because I just don't I'm

55:55 Speaker 6: really lazy about learning new songs. I don't care about

55:58 Speaker 6: cover songs. Yeah, so I go out that one of randomly,

56:01 Speaker 6: I'll play a song. If I'm working on a song,

56:03 Speaker 6: go oh, that sounds like that song. Yeah, And then

56:05 Speaker 6: all of suddenly I'll play that song right right. I

56:08 Speaker 6: have to like it, though, so I can't just go, oh,

56:10 Speaker 6: I get here's a question for you, doctor Matt. You're

56:14 Speaker 6: a man about town. When you go who do you

56:17 Speaker 6: think is? What do you think is the most requested

56:20 Speaker 6: song by people to go, Oh my god? Can you

56:23 Speaker 6: play this song?

56:24 Speaker 7: That's a great question.

56:25 Speaker 6: It used to be Freebird it kind of as a joke. Yeah,

56:28 Speaker 6: but I don't think that's what it is.

56:30 Speaker 7: Maybe, uh, what's up by four Blods?

56:35 Speaker 6: I think that's up there. I think the ones I

56:37 Speaker 6: think are country road.

56:40 Speaker 7: Oh yeah, yeah.

56:41 Speaker 6: I'm always like, Okay, look, it's Friday night. I'm sure

56:45 Speaker 6: if you come tomorrow the guy here is going to

56:48 Speaker 6: do it. I'm sure if you come here next Friday,

56:49 Speaker 6: the guy will do it. I'm sure to come the

56:51 Speaker 6: next night after that, the person will do it. It's

56:53 Speaker 6: every time, So I don't play that song. Yeah, here's

56:57 Speaker 6: low by Cracker because you know it, but it's not done.

57:00 Speaker 7: To death, right right, that's true.

57:02 Speaker 6: There's certain songs that everyone wants to hear every time

57:05 Speaker 6: they're out, and maybe it's understandable. I'm not trying to

57:08 Speaker 6: be forgiving on that stuff, but yeah, really every time.

57:12 Speaker 7: I'm the same way. I don't get it, so I

57:14 Speaker 7: don't get it.

57:15 Speaker 6: Yeah, sublime where it's at what I got, what I got. Yeah,

57:22 Speaker 6: it's like becks where it's at.

57:23 Speaker 7: That'd be cool, that would be that would be ah, well,

57:27 Speaker 7: very good. Well, Mike, this is always a pleasure my.

57:29 Speaker 6: Friends as well, Doctor Matt Connerton.

57:33 Speaker 7: We need to not let another however many years it's

57:35 Speaker 7: been go by before you come back.

57:38 Speaker 6: Hopefully I can get somebody else again, Donald.

57:40 Speaker 7: That could have He's cool to talk to, Yeah, Sean, Yeah.

57:45 Speaker 6: I sometimes feel like I'd love to have someone else

57:48 Speaker 6: here to kind of bounce off of. But yeah, definitely,

57:51 Speaker 6: it's just fun because I like I can talk myself,

57:53 Speaker 6: and it's fun to talk to you. Because you're a

57:55 Speaker 6: good interviewer, Matt. That's why you deserve to take the

57:57 Speaker 6: job from me, I was horrible at local opera. I was.

58:01 Speaker 6: I kind of always envenion. It is kind of kind

58:03 Speaker 6: of the only kind of plus of it for me

58:05 Speaker 6: is I kind of envisioned it the way most podcasts

58:07 Speaker 6: are now. Yeah, it was supposed to be a hang

58:09 Speaker 6: at like a bar with musicians, right, and so I

58:12 Speaker 6: remember talking the way you'd talk at a bar, right,

58:15 Speaker 6: and it was not. I wasn't you're much better at

58:18 Speaker 6: this than I was. I was kind of like asking

58:20 Speaker 6: questions a certain way, but it felt too informal. Yeah,

58:23 Speaker 6: I know what you mean, and I'm I just didn't

58:26 Speaker 6: have the the acumen that you have.

58:28 Speaker 7: No, thank you, No, I appreciate that, Mike. I appreciate

58:30 Speaker 7: that very much. Well, very good. So we're we're about

58:34 Speaker 7: out of time on in this hour, but uh, for

58:37 Speaker 7: those of you listening live on Saturday, stick around. Dave

58:40 Speaker 7: Derby from the Dam Builders will be joining us in

58:42 Speaker 7: the third hour at eleven fifteen. Mike, here will and

58:45 Speaker 7: you're you're it's funny you just talked about how bad

58:47 Speaker 7: an interview you are. But if you want to stick

58:49 Speaker 7: around and help me interview him, you're welcome to not

58:52 Speaker 7: kicking out, but Dave Derby from the Dam Builders will

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