Field Dispatch
Matt Connarton Unleashed 5-9-26 hour 1
Game Plan
Speaker 1: You're listening to Mattconnorton Unleashed on WM and H ninety
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Speaker 2: Right now.
Speaker 3: It's the world radio premiere of the Brand News single
Speaker 3: from Dylan Jones.
Speaker 4: Town like Mine, blacking white pictures disappeared, be fulling my time.
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Speaker 6: The drive cows and has stop doll rudding ramp once
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Speaker 7: It's shouting bright and there's steals the momping ground, the
Speaker 7: ones that you can get out fishing or hunting.
Speaker 9: At a time.
Speaker 5: Everybody wants a town like me. It's where those wild
Speaker 5: flowers room.
Speaker 3: On both sides of the room.
Speaker 2: It's where you could wait leave now.
Speaker 8: You won't get back.
Speaker 5: To those small towns and drive cabs have dog dogs
Speaker 5: running around, the ones that don't have stoplights shining bright
Speaker 5: and there's still some hoping ground, the ones that you
Speaker 5: can get out fishing or hunting in a time. Yeah,
Speaker 5: there's not a whole lot of You're getting hard to
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Speaker 5: I'll see everybody.
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Speaker 2: Like round, Hey, everybody, welcome, Here we go. It is
Speaker 2: that time again. Matt Connerton Unleashed and we are live from.
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Speaker 3: And of course also we just added a blog section
Speaker 3: to the new site, Matt condorton Unleashed dot com.
Speaker 2: Uh put the first blog up. It's about that story
Speaker 2: that we did last week.
Speaker 3: We talked about Buster Rhymes apparently being sued by his
Speaker 3: former assistant for violently assaulting him when I guess his
Speaker 3: meal showed up late or something.
Speaker 2: So we put the whole segment. We put that segment
Speaker 2: up on YouTube.
Speaker 3: But of course you can also find the blog now
Speaker 3: if you go to Matt connorton Unleashed dot com and
Speaker 3: we'll be adding more articles there to go with the
Speaker 3: various segments that we do on the show. So we've
Speaker 3: got an exciting show for you today coming up in
Speaker 3: just a few minutes, we're gonna be talking with Johnny
Speaker 3: Collins from Modesty Blaze. It's an all UK show today.
Speaker 3: In the second hour, we've got Sophia Gilani. She's been
Speaker 3: on the show for us, but she's got a brand
Speaker 3: new single she's been on the show with us, i
Speaker 3: should say, or for us, but she's got a brand
Speaker 3: new single called Vulnerability. We're gonna be talking with her.
Speaker 3: And then in the third hour it's Jonathan Ordridge from
Speaker 3: Viva Los Villains and great project. Really looking forward to
Speaker 3: talking with him. So lots of great stuff on the
Speaker 3: show today, and of course we did open with the
Speaker 3: brand new single Town Like Mine from Dylan Jones, A
Speaker 3: little country. We don't do a lot of country here
Speaker 3: on the show, but you know we are. We do
Speaker 3: encompass all genres pretty much, and so we're gonna be
Speaker 3: talking with I think in just a few weeks we're
Speaker 3: gonna be talking with Dylan Jones. But he gave us
Speaker 3: a green light to go ahead and play that song.
Speaker 3: So that's the new single from him. Great artists from
Speaker 3: Nashville who will be joining us via probably teams or
Speaker 3: WhatsApp or whatever it may be. God bless all the
Speaker 3: technology that we have, so we do have an exciting
Speaker 3: show for you, by the way. So speaking of shows,
Speaker 3: and you know what I do here at WM and H.
Speaker 3: Of course I do Matt Conorton Unleashed every Saturday morning.
Speaker 3: Here we are live from nine am to twelve noon
Speaker 3: Eastern time, you know. And of course we have a
Speaker 3: lot of listeners locally here in Manchester, and we have
Speaker 3: listeners online from all over the place, obviously even from
Speaker 3: Europe because we interview a lot of artists from Europe.
Speaker 3: But I also have been doing I just want to
Speaker 3: mention this briefly because I want to say thank you
Speaker 3: to some people and just express some gratitude. I've always
Speaker 3: for well not always, but for many many years, and
Speaker 3: I've lost track of how many it is, but I've
Speaker 3: been kind of on twice here. Well actually even more
Speaker 3: than twice because for a long time this show was
Speaker 3: weekday afternoons, but I've been on two different shows. So
Speaker 3: of course I host this show every Saturday morning currently here,
Speaker 3: and I also on Friday nights again for many years,
Speaker 3: I've been a co host on retro Spectrum Radio on
Speaker 3: Friday nights here on WMNH. And I just want to
Speaker 3: let people know and I do want to say some
Speaker 3: thank you. Last night was my last night on retro
Speaker 3: Spectrum Radio. Does not affect this show in any way,
Speaker 3: so we will continue here, of course, but I will
Speaker 3: no longer be on that show. But I did want
Speaker 3: to say thank you to everyone who listens to the
Speaker 3: show who has been a fan of the show. The show,
Speaker 3: as far as I know, will continue without me, Like
Speaker 3: the song says, life goes on without me, but I will,
Speaker 3: but I will not be there. So sixteen years total.
Speaker 3: Something that Retrospectrum Radio and this show both have in
Speaker 3: common in that not only you know, my involvement of
Speaker 3: course obviously, but also just like this show, that show
Speaker 3: started as a podcast before coming to FM radio, so
Speaker 3: same path as this show, you know, partly because of
Speaker 3: my involvement, of course, but but yeah, we started that
Speaker 3: show sixteen years ago originally as a podcast, and you know,
Speaker 3: it's it's grown over the years, obviously, and we brought
Speaker 3: it to WM and H and I've been very proud
Speaker 3: and happy to have been a big part of that,
Speaker 3: of course, and you know, working with Paul on that
Speaker 3: Paul of course as the host, and I've been as
Speaker 3: like I said, I've been as co host for sixteen
Speaker 3: years total, not sixteen years consecutively, because there were there
Speaker 3: were times when we did not do the show, but
Speaker 3: the show's been pretty consistent here at WM and H.
Speaker 3: For I don't know, I lose track oft time more
Speaker 3: and more so as I get older, I just lose track.
Speaker 3: It all becomes a blur. Since what twenty nine, I mean,
Speaker 3: it was before the pandemic when we started it, so
Speaker 3: so a long time. So so obviously over the course
Speaker 3: of that time, you know, listeners of that show have
Speaker 3: gotten to know me and and I just want to
Speaker 3: say thank you to everybody who supported the show, and
Speaker 3: of course all the great people that I worked with
Speaker 3: on that show. I was Paul's co host consistently for
Speaker 3: for the entire time, but there's been various other people
Speaker 3: too who have come and gone over the years, and
Speaker 3: you know, and of course at the end we had
Speaker 3: Glenn and Brooklyn, Mike, they were there last night, of course,
Speaker 3: and so yeah, quite a run. But the time has
Speaker 3: come we have parted ways again. I assume the show
Speaker 3: will continue. But I did want to say thank you
Speaker 3: to all the listeners of that program, everyone who has
Speaker 3: been supportive of the show and of me. If you
Speaker 3: you know, if you were listening, you know, if I
Speaker 3: had anything to do with drawing you into that show,
Speaker 3: thank you, Thank you for supporting and of course all
Speaker 3: the great people that I worked with on that show.
Speaker 3: And thank you to Paul. You know, we had a
Speaker 3: good run, but it's time to move on again. This
Speaker 3: show continues. I will still be here every Saturday morning,
Speaker 3: but you know, the reality is I do have a
Speaker 3: lot of projects. I do have a lot going on.
Speaker 3: I've got anyone who knows me at all knows I'm
Speaker 3: a very, very busy guy. So having my Friday nights
Speaker 3: a little less structure than they have been for the past,
Speaker 3: I don't know, however many years now, quite a few years,
Speaker 3: not a bad thing, not a bad thing.
Speaker 2: So so we go forward from there.
Speaker 3: This is not me stepping away from that show temporarily,
Speaker 3: not me just you know, taking a break from it.
Speaker 3: This is permanent. I will not be back on that program.
Speaker 3: But so I just wanted to let everyone know that
Speaker 3: and again just express some gratitude, you know, for everyone
Speaker 3: who's been supportive and and you know, I did hear
Speaker 3: from some people, some people reached out to me, you know,
Speaker 3: and the details don't matter, but I'm just saying I
Speaker 3: want to I want to end officially because I didn't
Speaker 3: have a chance to do it last night, but I
Speaker 3: do want to end my tenure on that program on
Speaker 3: a on a positive note. And and again express gratitude
Speaker 3: to everyone who's been so supportive. And I assume this
Speaker 3: show will continue, and you know, there's there's no shortage
Speaker 3: of people who enjoy being on that program. I'm sure.
Speaker 3: So Retrospect Radio Friday nights here on WMNH ninety five
Speaker 3: point three FM. And of course, going forward, we continue
Speaker 3: on with Matt connorton Unleashed every Saturday morning right here
Speaker 3: on WMNH ninety five point three FM. And we're gonna
Speaker 3: go ahead and get ready for our first guest. So
Speaker 3: again we've got Johnny Collins, who's gonna be joining us
Speaker 3: via Microsoft teams all the way from the UK and
Speaker 3: talking about Modesty Blaze. And let's play this is the
Speaker 3: you know, they sent me both the single and the
Speaker 3: full album version. I'm gonna go ahead and play the
Speaker 3: full album version. This is called Carol Mountain and this
Speaker 3: is the remastered version of Carol Mountain by Modesty Blaze.
Speaker 3: And when we get Johnny on the line with us,
Speaker 3: Johnny Collins, he'll explain everything about the new remaster reissue
Speaker 3: of this album of the work of Modesty Blaze. This
Speaker 3: is really unique too, by the way, it's an unusual
Speaker 3: show today in a sense, we open with some country.
Speaker 3: You don't usually hear country on the show, and this
Speaker 3: is pretty unique as well. I think you're gonna enjoy it.
Speaker 3: But Modesty Blaze Carol Mountain, the brand new remastered version,
Speaker 3: and then on the other side of this, we'll talk
Speaker 3: with Johnny Collins.
Speaker 11: So so st so.
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Speaker 12: Whens a gun?
Speaker 8: You should have married me? Now the wealthy w.
Speaker 13: Mot again the song Day.
Speaker 3: Song Day, Well, that is cool. That is called Carol Mountain.
Speaker 3: That is the remaster of it from the three disc
Speaker 3: anniversary edition of Melancholia from Modesty Blaze. And we've got
Speaker 3: Johnny Collins from Modesty Blaze with us via Microsoft teams
Speaker 3: all the way from across upon as we say, hey, Johnny,
Speaker 3: are you there?
Speaker 12: Hey, I'm here, How are you hey?
Speaker 6: Good?
Speaker 3: Welcome to the program.
Speaker 2: I really, I really yeah, yeah, it's great to talk
Speaker 2: with you.
Speaker 3: I really like this a lot. You know, the this
Speaker 3: is something to this project, Modesty Blaze. It's really kind
Speaker 3: of outside the norm of a lot of what you
Speaker 3: hear on this program. And you know, what you hear
Speaker 3: on on radio generally, at least in America, So very
Speaker 3: very interesting to listen to it, and you know, I'm
Speaker 3: impressed with this is a lot there. It sounds like,
Speaker 3: obviously we're going to talk about the remaster and everything,
Speaker 3: but I assume when this was recorded originally, it was
Speaker 3: quite the undertaking, right, because it's very dense. There's a
Speaker 3: lot there. There's a lot of layers, probably a lot
Speaker 3: of tracks involved in recording something like that. I would
Speaker 3: think even just the vocals are so layered and just
Speaker 3: really really interesting. I'm fascinated by the production.
Speaker 12: It's a sixteen track analog production, but obviously, as you
Speaker 12: can just hear from that, it's got everything in it.
Speaker 12: We do say that not only do we throw the
Speaker 12: kitchen sink in, we break in next door, rip their
Speaker 12: sink out and throw that in as well. Yes, so
Speaker 12: everything had to be mixed down, so drums are recorded
Speaker 12: and then mixed down to two tracks, and then I
Speaker 12: remember at the end when we're putting the strings on,
Speaker 12: we just had one track, and so everybody had to
Speaker 12: play at the same time and get it right at
Speaker 12: the same time. More than fifty percent of the budget
Speaker 12: for the entire album went into Carol Mountain, so it
Speaker 12: was a massive undertaking. It was eleven months of recording
Speaker 12: and you know what, I know what. I didn't make
Speaker 12: it easy for myself, Matt. We did things because I
Speaker 12: thought I wanted to do them in that particular way.
Speaker 12: But for instance, in Carrol Mountain, which is about an
Speaker 12: unrequited love for Brian Wilson, Oh, they re here's and
Speaker 12: villains and con vibrations in different studios. Well, I'm going
Speaker 12: to use the same studio. I can't record it in
Speaker 12: different studios. I'll tell you what, I'll use completely different instruments.
Speaker 12: So it was recorded in sections. Oh there are four
Speaker 12: different drum kits on there and you can't tell, right,
Speaker 12: It's just me making things difficult for myself.
Speaker 3: Wow, when you look back on that now, obviously today
Speaker 3: we have the benefit of technology, and technology moves very fast,
Speaker 3: and you know, over the course of twenty five years,
Speaker 3: obviously technology has moved very fast, and in terms of
Speaker 3: the way that you record and everything. When you look bad,
Speaker 3: I would imagine obviously if you were to record this
Speaker 3: exact same thing today, it would it would be easier
Speaker 3: in some ways, although maybe harder in others because because
Speaker 3: of the options and the choices that you have to
Speaker 3: make when recording.
Speaker 12: But I mean, you're definitely right, is there?
Speaker 13: Oh?
Speaker 3: Go ahead?
Speaker 12: Well, the I've known people and now everybody has a
Speaker 12: studio because they've got a laptop on a microphone and
Speaker 12: it's automatically one hundred times more powerful than Abby Road
Speaker 12: was when the Beatles recorded there? Right, So what's your excuse?
Speaker 12: There's there's an awful lot to be said for the
Speaker 12: restraint of studio time. This is costing you money make
Speaker 12: a decision. Musicians will will put off making a decision
Speaker 12: as long as they possibly can. I don't call myself
Speaker 12: a musician. I'm quite happy to make decisions. So in
Speaker 12: order to fit all of that onto a sixteen chart recording,
Speaker 12: there was a lot of decisions being made all the.
Speaker 3: Time, no doubt, no doubt. How many you mentioned to
Speaker 3: the string section that was all going on to one track,
Speaker 3: so they had to get it right. I mean, do
Speaker 3: you remember, obviously it was a long time ago, but
Speaker 3: do you remember how many takes it took before they
Speaker 3: got it right.
Speaker 12: Well, unfortunately we didn't have the luxury of taking and
Speaker 12: keeping it all, so it was only three or four
Speaker 12: I think.
Speaker 2: Oh good.
Speaker 12: The the the end section at the end, there were
Speaker 12: they're coming in and there's an orchestral section with a
Speaker 12: theremin that was that was two takes. The other take.
Speaker 12: The other take is on the kind of like the
Speaker 12: outtakes disc and and I know because I conducted them.
Speaker 12: I conducted them at that time.
Speaker 3: Wow.
Speaker 12: And I know they all thought it was too slow,
Speaker 12: but it was what I had intended, right, Yeah, when
Speaker 12: you the horns as well, A lot of horns were
Speaker 12: all onto one track as well. Oh no, very difficult,
Speaker 12: very difficult.
Speaker 3: That had to be. Do you remember how many takes
Speaker 3: that took? Probably around the same.
Speaker 12: Four, I think to be to be fair, the people
Speaker 12: that were playing were quite exceptional. I didn't know many
Speaker 12: of them before we started. But what I did was
Speaker 12: I managed to get in the in the days before
Speaker 12: people were worried about privacy, I managed to get a
Speaker 12: list of names and numbers of people from a local
Speaker 12: symphony orchestra and I just called them up, would you
Speaker 12: be free to do some recording?
Speaker 3: Wow?
Speaker 12: And we'll pick you up and take you back and
Speaker 12: feed you. And that's what we did. So I didn't
Speaker 12: know many of them before. I still know a few
Speaker 12: of them now, which is really good. So yeah, they
Speaker 12: were they were all highly competent.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, yeah, I mean you had to find the
Speaker 3: right people obviously for you know, for an undertaking like this. Again,
Speaker 3: it's there's a lot going on, and like you said,
Speaker 3: it's it's the kitchen sink and the kitchen sink of
Speaker 3: the next door neighbor.
Speaker 12: That's right.
Speaker 3: Now, Why why did you decide to do this the remaster?
Speaker 3: This the it's again the twenty fifth anniversary of Melancholia?
Speaker 3: Why now? And why did it take this long to
Speaker 3: bring it to streaming?
Speaker 13: You know what?
Speaker 12: I think that the twenty fifth was a bit of
Speaker 12: a fortunate thing. Once I put out that we were
Speaker 12: going to do it, we kind of got forced into it.
Speaker 12: But I actually wanted to do it on the twenty
Speaker 12: sixth Fana versary because I thought it would be funnier.
Speaker 12: You're not wrong, and it just it just so happens
Speaker 12: that the album that I thought was being released was
Speaker 12: released in two thousand, was actually released in twenty oh one.
Speaker 12: So I was wrong. We this this album sold very well,
Speaker 12: did very well, and in fact has some quite obsessive
Speaker 12: fans for which I am very grateful. Over In continential Europe, Germany, Spain, Belgium, Switzerland,
Speaker 12: various other countries of Scandinavia as well, and Japan, so
Speaker 12: it has some some big fans there. And we were
Speaker 12: getting a lot of questions, why can't I get this
Speaker 12: on streaming? Why can't I?
Speaker 13: Do you know?
Speaker 12: Where is it? And at which point we kind of
Speaker 12: and and then a lot of the sort of questions,
Speaker 12: how did you record this.
Speaker 5: So right?
Speaker 13: What if to it?
Speaker 12: Let's do it properly, Let's go and remaster it properly,
Speaker 12: go through the whole process and try and answer some
Speaker 12: of those questions with the music rather than by email.
Speaker 3: Right right, That makes sense? Yeah, And I read something
Speaker 3: you said the goal wasn't wasn't reinventioned, but revealing extra
Speaker 3: detail when you went back and listened to because I
Speaker 3: you know, I can just tell you just personally anecdotally,
Speaker 3: I've I've had the experience of listening into music that
Speaker 3: I listened to a long time ago and hearing things,
Speaker 3: you know, like if I'm wearing really good headphones, i
Speaker 3: might hear something in a song that I've heard a
Speaker 3: thousand times over the course of my life. But then
Speaker 3: I maybe I'm listening to good headphones or through really
Speaker 3: good speakers, and I'll hear details that I never noticed before.
Speaker 3: I might hear something that I didn't pick up on
Speaker 3: when I listened to that originally. And I'm wondering, when
Speaker 3: you went back and listened to all of these all
Speaker 3: of these songs, did you start hearing things that that
Speaker 3: you forgot about or maybe you or things that you
Speaker 3: knew were in there, but you really didn't think the
Speaker 3: listeners probably knew that those things were in there.
Speaker 12: Yeah, you know what, You're absolutely right, Matt, and you
Speaker 12: hit the nail on the head really good headphones. I
Speaker 12: we went back to the studio. David Tuppy Brown, the
Speaker 12: bass that was with me as well. There were definitely
Speaker 12: things in there that he hadn't heard before. At the
Speaker 12: end of one of the string parts, there's one of
Speaker 12: the strings on the on one of the cellos broke
Speaker 12: and I left it in. Oh, and he had never
Speaker 12: heard that before. Oh, there you go, listen to that.
Speaker 12: That's fantastic. But I was astonished to hear it again
Speaker 12: on the huge studio speakers. And then spent a good
Speaker 12: week bemoaning to everybody who had listen. When did we
Speaker 12: give up having proper speakers in our houses? We're now
Speaker 12: listening on these tiny little things on phones and on
Speaker 12: little airphones. And I went out and bought a pair
Speaker 12: of high end headphones to not annoy the neighbors. But
Speaker 12: we've definitely lost something. I remember when I bought my
Speaker 12: first set of stereo speakers with the money from my
Speaker 12: part time job. They were huge, you know, you could
Speaker 12: it took two people to carry one of them, and
Speaker 12: then ages to try and set them up in the room,
Speaker 12: and then you know, I've got the base rocking the
Speaker 12: foundations of the house. We've given that up, and we've
Speaker 12: given up a lot through doing that. So I did
Speaker 12: buy some expensive headphones after the process of doing this,
Speaker 12: and I have gone back and started listening to everything again,
Speaker 12: just as you intimated.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, and you're right, by the way, that's an
Speaker 3: interesting observation that you make, and you're right. And it's
Speaker 3: the same in America too. I mean, we have given
Speaker 3: that up about you know, the even me. I mean,
Speaker 3: you know, I'm a radio guy, I'm a musician. You know,
Speaker 3: you would think I have some really good speakers in
Speaker 3: my home and I don't. You know, I've got some
Speaker 3: decent headphones, but I don't have I don't have good speakers. Yeah,
Speaker 3: we have lost something with that, and also too with streaming.
Speaker 3: You know, depending on where you stream something there's varying
Speaker 3: degrees of quality too. You know, if you stream something
Speaker 3: on YouTube, it's not going to sound as good as
Speaker 3: if you're listening to the wave file. And you know
Speaker 3: all of that.
Speaker 12: So yeah, I mean I've got I've got my little
Speaker 12: air AirPods in now so the so that the speakers
Speaker 12: are right in my ears. The other thing I've been
Speaker 12: obsessing about is this idea of moving air. So when
Speaker 12: we record, we move air into a microphone and that
Speaker 12: then when it's played back, we move air out of
Speaker 12: speakers to us. Again, it's a much more analog way
Speaker 12: of doing things. You record digitally and you might put
Speaker 12: a sample on a keyboard and it's digital. You haven't
Speaker 12: moved any air. And that's what I've been future recordings
Speaker 12: are coming from modestly Blaze, and that's what I've been
Speaker 12: currently obsessing about. The Movement of air all leads into
Speaker 12: that same thing to do with the with the size
Speaker 12: of the speakers and what we've lost. I think the
Speaker 12: other thing is, and this may not something that I
Speaker 12: admit from listening to it for remastering, was it's a
Speaker 12: really weird album, isn't it. There are songs about death
Speaker 12: and stalking and suicide and all sorts of stuff like that,
Speaker 12: but with nice, happy tunes. I'm curious. I hadn't realized that.
Speaker 12: I think that in retrospect, you can look back on
Speaker 12: things that you create. And you're a musician, you know
Speaker 12: there's suff you look back on things and think, oh,
Speaker 12: I wonder what I was thinking. Then I wonder where
Speaker 12: that came from? What was what was that about?
Speaker 3: No, you're right, though, there are some dark themes on
Speaker 3: the album, but I think that's part of what drew me.
Speaker 3: And I listened to the whole thing, and uh, it's
Speaker 3: I think part of that is, you know, it's that Yeah,
Speaker 3: I'm not sure the term I'm looking for, but you
Speaker 3: know that those those dark themes, but with this very
Speaker 3: happy sounding music that contrast that exists in the music.
Speaker 3: I think that's part of what makes it so interesting
Speaker 3: and compelling, you know, and and the vocals and the
Speaker 3: production and all of it.
Speaker 12: But yeah, I mean I think it's sunshine pulp twilight.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, exactly exactly.
Speaker 12: It's crescular pulp venting genres.
Speaker 3: There, there you go, there you go. Now, So with
Speaker 3: the modern mastering technology that you used to do this,
Speaker 3: was there ever a point where you were concerned about Obviously,
Speaker 3: the goal is to bring things forth that maybe were
Speaker 3: in the back of the mix before that you couldn't
Speaker 3: even hear, right, But I mean, were you ever was
Speaker 3: there ever a point where you were concerned about sort
Speaker 3: of losing something in that too, maybe losing the vibe
Speaker 3: of what you had originally done.
Speaker 12: Martin Nichols, who was the original engineer on it, was
Speaker 12: also the remastering engineer, and he is this is his area,
Speaker 12: It's what he does. He these days, he mostly is
Speaker 12: doing reissues and remasters and getting stuff off old tapes.
Speaker 12: He does a lot of He does a lot of
Speaker 12: really really high end stuff. He's very much in demand.
Speaker 12: I pulled rank in order to get the studio time,
Speaker 12: and so I'm less worried about that. You know what,
Speaker 12: though I've lost some frequency from my ears. So it's
Speaker 12: also it's also done usually in terms of graphic eques
Speaker 12: and that sort of thing. So I wasn't concerned about
Speaker 12: losing anything because I trust the people I'm working with. Yeah,
Speaker 12: that's just I think we just there were They're just
Speaker 12: little subtle changes. I've done ab viarisons with the with
Speaker 12: the original album. I've done a lot of that, and
Speaker 12: I think that it's it is subtle. It is very subtle.
Speaker 12: And then obviously there the constraints that you get from
Speaker 12: streaming services are something that you really can't do a
Speaker 12: lot about it, but you can try and optimize what
Speaker 12: you do. This isn't a case of a remaster where
Speaker 12: you go into the studio and you just turn everything
Speaker 12: up as loud as it can. A huge, huge dynamic
Speaker 12: range on this album, and I think we've you know,
Speaker 12: refunished to refunished to just enhance that role and replace it.
Speaker 3: You brought up another really important point though about it's
Speaker 3: so important to have other other ears, uh, listening to
Speaker 3: this as you're as you're doing the remastering and or
Speaker 3: mixing or whatever it is that you're doing. Because like
Speaker 3: you said, and because I can relate to what you
Speaker 3: said about losing frequencies. You know, I've I've not had
Speaker 3: my own ears tested, but I know for a fact
Speaker 3: I have hearing damage. I wake up every morning with
Speaker 3: tonight as I can hear the ringing once I get going.
Speaker 3: It's fine, but I know that I've lost just in
Speaker 3: the wrong places, exactly exactly, so I can relate to
Speaker 3: what you were saying about, because as people who don't
Speaker 3: have hearing loss don't understand, it's not simply for for
Speaker 3: some of us, it's not simply a matter of oh,
Speaker 3: you just kind of can't hear everything as well as
Speaker 3: you used to. You can, you can lose certain frequencies
Speaker 3: but maintain other frequencies, because you know I experienced this,
Speaker 3: and I'm sure you do too. Sometimes I can't hear
Speaker 3: things very well, but there will be other times I'll
Speaker 3: hear things that other people don't even notice, and someone
Speaker 3: will say, oh, wow, you have really good hearing, and
Speaker 3: it's like, no, actually I don't have good hearing, but
Speaker 3: for whatever reason, that particular frequency, I'm able to easily
Speaker 3: pick up.
Speaker 12: Oh yes, now you're completely right on that. I've if
Speaker 12: if I've got something that is special, it's my ear.
Speaker 12: And you know, I can go and listen to orchestras
Speaker 12: and say, oh, that's second French French orn is a
Speaker 12: bit flat flat. I've got that, and it's something I'm
Speaker 12: very protective of these days. I do make sure, I'm
Speaker 12: wearing ear plugged and various things, so.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, I do the same.
Speaker 12: That just sounds really old and not very rock and
Speaker 12: rolled at all. We've both got tonight that'll do.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, yeah. And then so the band, Well, I
Speaker 3: haven't asked you the obvious question yet. Where does a
Speaker 3: name come from? Modesty Blaze? What does that mean?
Speaker 12: So it's a cartoon strip. She was like a female
Speaker 12: James Bond and in the local paper in Bristol it
Speaker 12: used to be, it was in the back of the
Speaker 12: paper every night. I used to read that. I remember
Speaker 12: saying to Dave at some point, why aren't we called
Speaker 12: Modesty Blaze? And none of us could think of a reason,
Speaker 12: so we did. Transpires that that was pre internet. Had
Speaker 12: we known, we would know that would have known that
Speaker 12: there was already a Norwegian metal band called Modesty Blaze.
Speaker 12: But you know, I don't mind being mistaken for a
Speaker 12: Norwegian metal band every now and then.
Speaker 3: That's kind of fun. Well, you know, if you think
Speaker 3: about it, some of the themes in the music is
Speaker 3: probably similar. There might be some correlation.
Speaker 12: There could well be. Yeah, well be.
Speaker 3: Did you ever run in any problem because of the
Speaker 3: there was already a comic strip you said called this, like,
Speaker 3: did they ever reach we?
Speaker 12: We didn't. Obviously we couldn't, you know you, We couldn't
Speaker 12: get the web the web address and various things like that. Yeah,
Speaker 12: don't think it really matters. You know, we're obviously not selling,
Speaker 12: and that all of those comic strips are available available
Speaker 12: as available as books, and people tend to give them
Speaker 12: to me as presents. So great, I've got quite a
Speaker 12: collection of multi blazed books.
Speaker 3: Yeah, oh that's cool.
Speaker 12: It's difficult. It's difficult, isn't it with with with band names.
Speaker 12: You do something you're then that's then your name, and
Speaker 12: anything that comes.
Speaker 3: Up you can have to deal with it exact least.
Speaker 12: I didn't decide at least I didn't decide that we
Speaker 12: should be called prefab Sprouts.
Speaker 2: And what was the scene like back when when you started?
Speaker 3: So it was in the nineties and I was reading
Speaker 3: something about so your your debut single was with Edwin Collins.
Speaker 3: Is that correct?
Speaker 12: Edwin produced our first single wow his new studio. At
Speaker 12: the time. I knew Edwin and we played with him,
Speaker 12: and he had just got his studio prior to recording
Speaker 12: Gorgeous George with a Girl like que on it, And
Speaker 12: there was this discussion about him having a new studio
Speaker 12: and about how he needed to get used to the
Speaker 12: studio before before recording his album. Oh right, well, well
Speaker 12: we'll come and record a single with you then, So
Speaker 12: we did. We went up to the studio and recorded
Speaker 12: a single, used a lot of the instruments that were
Speaker 12: there already. So if you listen to our first single,
Speaker 12: which is Christina Terris and the two tracks are on
Speaker 12: the B side, if you listen to that and then
Speaker 12: you listen to Gorgeous George, there are an awful lot
Speaker 12: of sounds that are similar. Oh okay, only his with
Speaker 12: an enormous hit.
Speaker 3: I should mention too, for American listeners who hear the
Speaker 3: name ad and Collins and say familiar, familiar, Where do
Speaker 3: I know that name? He had a big hit here
Speaker 3: in America with Never Met a Girl Like You Before.
Speaker 3: I think the actual title officially is just a Girl
Speaker 3: Like You but Never Met a Girl Like You Before.
Speaker 3: That was a massive hit. It's the only it might
Speaker 3: be his only big hit in America because it's the
Speaker 3: only one I can think of. I'd have to look
Speaker 3: it up. But for again, for American listeners who can't
Speaker 3: quite place it. That was a massive hit in the
Speaker 3: nineties here and here in the US.
Speaker 12: It was an enormous hit worldwide. Yeah, it hit the
Speaker 12: top five in the UK. It did him much of
Speaker 12: continental Europe as well, and it's still got a huge life.
Speaker 12: It's used for advertisements all the time on the Telly.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely absolutely. And did you also did you
Speaker 3: open for Robbie Williams at the O two Arena? Is
Speaker 3: that true?
Speaker 12: Weirdly, yes, very strangely. He had these six big articulated
Speaker 12: lawyers with his gear and we had our stuff loaded
Speaker 12: into the back of a small hatchpack.
Speaker 3: Wow, how did that happen? How did that come about?
Speaker 12: It came about through uh, knowing the tour manager so
Speaker 12: and being a late stand in type thing.
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, so.
Speaker 6: It was.
Speaker 12: It was good fun. It was good fun, you know
Speaker 12: it was. We didn't stay, We didn't stay and watch
Speaker 12: because Neil Young was that playing that night, so we
Speaker 12: all went off to watch Neil Young.
Speaker 2: Oh no kidding, Oh that's funny, that's good.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Hey, I would have done the same thing.
Speaker 12: Who wouldn't go and see Neil Young? But no disrespect
Speaker 12: to Robbie. Robbie Madson some some good pop singles.
Speaker 3: Yeah, Millennium was a big hit in the US, and
Speaker 3: that's a Robbie Williams sung that I really like. Yeah,
Speaker 3: absolutely absolutely.
Speaker 12: Oh that's got the bond sample, hasn't it the it does?
Speaker 12: You only did twice sample?
Speaker 3: Yeah, it absolutely does. That's right.
Speaker 12: Oh go ahead, No, that's why it's a good record.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah, yeah absolutely. So Now I'm curious what is
Speaker 3: next for Modesty Blaze. I mean, obviously you're gonna spend
Speaker 3: you know, this is a big, big project. Of course,
Speaker 3: the twenty fifth anniversary, the reissue of Melancholia and it's
Speaker 3: three discs. Is this kind of opening the door to
Speaker 3: some new material beyond this. I don't know if you're
Speaker 3: thinking that far ahead, but I'm curious.
Speaker 12: So there we will re promote our Christmas single. We've
Speaker 12: got a Christmas single. Oh so when that comes around,
Speaker 12: we'll do that again this year because it needs to
Speaker 12: be better known. And there is a new album in
Speaker 12: the offing. It's being recorded. We've maybe got three or
Speaker 12: four tracks finished excellent, so that's good. There was an
Speaker 12: album in twenty twenty one which we released. The did
Speaker 12: very well, and so in terms of what the next
Speaker 12: eighteen months looks like new album. And then what we'll
Speaker 12: do is we'll do the same process but with the
Speaker 12: first modesty based album, which is called Modern Guitars with Amplification,
Speaker 12: And so we'll do that with the yearly stuff on
Speaker 12: the Edwin Collins recordings and in order to get that
Speaker 12: up onto streaming services again and do the process again
Speaker 12: and make you know, make it, make it a proper,
Speaker 12: a proper disc. This has been very well received so far,
Speaker 12: so I think we're quite heartened by that as an idea.
Speaker 3: Absolutely absolutely, No, that's great. By the way, any plans
Speaker 3: to perform these live, I know that's probably not easy
Speaker 3: because as we talked about, there's a lot there unless
Speaker 3: you do kind of strip down versions maybe, But what's
Speaker 3: the plan there?
Speaker 12: Well, which worked this album for two years and after
Speaker 12: a short while, what we did was we put the
Speaker 12: strings and horns onto a hard disc recorder and we
Speaker 12: played those along. You know what, most of the bands
Speaker 12: that you see are doing the same sort of thing.
Speaker 12: I worked for many years in a very large live
Speaker 12: music music venue. Of the band that we're playing, we're
Speaker 12: playing to some kind of playing along to some kind
Speaker 12: of track. Sure, if you see a if you see
Speaker 12: a drummer with headphones on, you're you're hearing. Not what
Speaker 12: you're hearing is more all acoustic. So that's what we did,
Speaker 12: we could theoretically do again. But you hear this hoarseness
Speaker 12: in my voice. Yes, yes, that's dysphonia. That's the same
Speaker 12: thing our FK Junior has. Really, although mine's not quite
Speaker 12: mine's not quite that bad. Yeah. So I'm on some
Speaker 12: current drugs at the moment and it's causing a lot
Speaker 12: of difficulty for speaking and certainly can't do singing. Oh okay,
Speaker 12: there's a plan for this new album that I'm talking
Speaker 12: about whereby I'll come off the jokes, get the voice back,
Speaker 12: record the record the vocals, and then go back on
Speaker 12: the drugs again.
Speaker 3: So oh okay, and you can you can do that,
Speaker 3: You can do that safely.
Speaker 12: Yeah. Yeah, it's theemo therapy I'm having. Okay, So that's
Speaker 12: what's causing it, and we have a long term plan
Speaker 12: with my oncologists to be able to do that. So yeah,
Speaker 12: that's what we'll do.
Speaker 3: Okay, okay, Oh excellent, excellent, all right, well, very good.
Speaker 3: So in a moment at the end of our conversation,
Speaker 3: we're gonna play, and I think you did reference it earlier.
Speaker 3: The Little Things You Do of course the remastered version,
Speaker 3: which I love. Anything we should know about this one,
Speaker 3: I mean, obviously what's nice about this too is all
Speaker 3: these all these songs have something distinctive about them. You know,
Speaker 3: there's there's there's nothing, there's nothing here where you say, oh,
Speaker 3: that sounds a lot like the song I just listened to.
Speaker 3: But what should we know about this one? The Little
Speaker 3: Things You Do?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 12: Really, strangely, it was set to be a single. We
Speaker 12: we got as far as recording, we started filming a
Speaker 12: video for it. It was gonna strangely, it was going
Speaker 12: to be a vinyl single, seven inch single for Pappada.
Speaker 12: I don't know how this happened, and none of us
Speaker 12: can remember why it didn't happen or what shouldn't have happened.
Speaker 12: So what you're hearing is the single version, which we
Speaker 12: recorded at the time. Because the album version goes straight
Speaker 12: into the next track. What you're hearing is the single version,
Speaker 12: and it had it had never been released before, So
Speaker 12: in many ways, this isn't a remaster, it's a master okay,
Speaker 12: because because he got shelved and neither us nor the
Speaker 12: people at the record company, who I'm still very good
Speaker 12: friends with and remember what happened. But it didn't come
Speaker 12: out as a single. But it is now and it's
Speaker 12: it's sounding great. Those big big horns on there are
Speaker 12: really good. Gregor, who's the guitarist, playser is a kind
Speaker 12: of like lestering guitar sound from it. So it's one
Speaker 12: I'm still very very pleased with. I think that as
Speaker 12: a songwriter and lyricist, I have to do. I have
Speaker 12: to have something in the lyric that I particularly like,
Speaker 12: and I particularly like it's the way your picture overloads
Speaker 12: my memory because it was a real thing. We were
Speaker 12: doing a cover and there was a girl on the
Speaker 12: cover of the previous single, which was the Uranium Girl,
Speaker 12: and it kept on crashing the computer that we were using.
Speaker 12: So it came from that. It's the way your picture
Speaker 12: loads my memory. That's my favorite.
Speaker 2: Okay, I get it. Oh that's cool, that's cool.
Speaker 3: I like that.
Speaker 12: Back in the days when computers used to crash if
Speaker 12: you try to load up more than three megabytes, we have.
Speaker 3: Come a long way with technology, that is for sure.
Speaker 3: We certainly have that is for sure.
Speaker 12: If we make the right decision. I'm not sure.
Speaker 3: Me neither.
Speaker 12: Hopefully, we couldn't do this, so could we? Mat we
Speaker 12: couldn't do this. We couldn't talk across the.
Speaker 2: Effer exactly, exactly.
Speaker 3: Yeah, that is a wonderful thing, Johnny. Where's the best
Speaker 3: place for people to go online to keep up with
Speaker 3: everything modesty Blaze is doing?
Speaker 6: Well?
Speaker 14: We have.
Speaker 12: I'd like to tell you that we have a social
Speaker 12: media strategy, but I will be lying.
Speaker 3: Okay.
Speaker 12: You can find us on Instagram, modesty plays UK. You
Speaker 12: can find us on Facebook modesty Blaze UK. There is
Speaker 12: a website modesty blaze dot net. I'm sure that's been
Speaker 12: updated in the last year. Okay, so uh, you'll you'll
Speaker 12: find us all.
Speaker 3: Right, wonderful, wonderful. Well, like I said, in a moment,
Speaker 3: we're gonna play uh, we're gonna play this uh this track.
Speaker 3: The little things you do. But Johnny Collins, thank you
Speaker 3: so much for joining us. This has been wonderful. We
Speaker 3: will definitely have you back in the future, especially you
Speaker 3: know now that you've told us you've got more stuff
Speaker 3: coming up with modesty Blaze. Cannot wait to hear what
Speaker 3: comes next. And thank you absolutely, thank you so.
Speaker 12: Much for thank you to everybody.
Speaker 3: All right, you as well, my friend. We'll talk to
Speaker 3: you soon.
Speaker 12: Take care, okay, goodbye, bye bye.
Speaker 3: All right. That is Johnny Collins from Modesty Blaze, and
Speaker 3: we're gonna play this track now again. This is really good.
Speaker 3: I like this a lot.
Speaker 2: This is called The Little Things You Do.
Speaker 3: Uh, not the remaster because it was it was never
Speaker 3: released originally, as he told us. Interesting story about that,
Speaker 3: so but uh but here it is the little things
Speaker 3: you do, and this is Modesty Blaze.
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