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7:26 Speaker 11: Welcome back, everybody. This is Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from the studios of WMNH ninety five point three FM and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire here on Canal Street as we are well in the our number two New Marrow dose of our program this week. Jenny is here as well, of course, at the news.

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7:46 Speaker 11: Things I want to remind people about. Next Saturday, one week from today, August seventeen, I will be participating in an event at the Sister Witch Company, which is at eleven ninety three Hooks at Road in Hooks at New so not far from here, like ten minutes up the road up Root three. It is a gritting class healing circle and I will be doing hypnotherapy at the at the event. So that is coming up one week from today. That is from noon to five pm. However, because of the radio show, I will not be arriving.

8:19 Speaker 11: My official arrival time there is two pm. I'll try to get there a little sooner, but you know, obviously we're here from nine am to noon and then usually by about one o'clock we're out of here by the time we get the show uploaded and all of that. But yeah, so I'll be getting there at two, but the event actually starts at noon, so you know, feel free to get there plenty early. There'll be a lot going on and really looking forward to that. So that is one week from today, August seventeen, noon to five pm at the Sister Witch Company and Hooks It.

8:47 Speaker 11: We should also mention Jenny ongoing this month for the month of August. You have your art, yes, hanging up in a wonderful place in Nashua.

8:57 Speaker 12: Yes, I am at the New Nashua Creative Collective. There are twelve of my pieces hanging just outside of Terminus, which is wonderful. I'm excited. And they're up there for the whole month, yes, which is crazy. Yeah, I can't believe there's still faintings hanging somewhere for a month, but it actually it looks amazing. They did a video with Dead Harrison playing in the background room.

9:19 Speaker 4: Yes, it is really really cool.

9:21 Speaker 12: Yeah, because that kind of met that meshed up quite nicely. So yeah, I'm excited that I'm hanging there. Also, if you'd like to go see some of my darkest pieces. They are now hanging at the Nashaua Creatives Collective.

9:32 Speaker 11: Yes, yes, and of course they have a terminus there which is Terminus Underground, which has a lot of live music and is really amazing.

9:40 Speaker 4: And we had Green Jelly is going to be playing.

9:43 Speaker 11: That's right, Yes, coming up around the corner. Yes, that is that is And we had last week on the show we had Eleanor and Spelfi and Andre yes Andre of course also in Dad Harrison. We played some of their music and it was great to have the three of them here talking about the Midnight Creatives Collective and Terminus Underground. Always always nice to see them.

10:05 Speaker 12: I always say the place is like the Tartis. Yes, it looks small, and then you go in and it just gets bigger.

10:10 Speaker 11: Well, yeah, you walk into that room, you go, Like I said, you walked in and I didn't even know about any of the background with the Walking Dead and all that. I had no idea because I've never even watched that show. But I just was amazed, like, you know.

10:20 Speaker 4: You mean the Walking Dead?

10:22 Speaker 11: Was it the Walking Dead? They were talking about Terminus Underground, the connection it's inspired by the Walking.

10:27 Speaker 12: Oh oh oh yeah, yeah, because you said that right after I said the Tartis, and I thought maybe you thought the Tartis was from the Walking Dead.

10:33 Speaker 11: Well, I've also never seen a single episode of Doctor Who. Well, but I do know what the Tartis is. Yes, that is true, that is true. But uh no, but I always say it's like another world when you walk into that room at Terminus, It's like walking into another world.

10:48 Speaker 4: Right, It's it is.

10:49 Speaker 11: Really incredible, really incredible, And it was great to have them here with us last week. Uh and thank you again, of course, not to Club Paradise for skyping in for the first our really love talking to them. We'll play another track of their Too Later.

11:03 Speaker 4: Really good. I really enjoy their music. I added them to my playlist.

11:07 Speaker 11: And of course, our featured world radio premiere this week is on My Way from our friend Hope the Rapper. This is week nine of our ten weeks of new Hope the Rapper singles Week nine, so we'll have one more next week.

11:20 Speaker 4: But really I've loved every one of them.

11:23 Speaker 11: Absolutely, absolutely, very very talented guy, and I love his positivity and love. You know, it's been great featuring all these new tracks, a new one every week. I can't believe next week is the tenth week, I know, but yeah, So lots going on and coming up in the third hour today, we're going to be joining studio and I think he's bringing a couple of fellow musicians with him, Grizzy Hendrix, who I believe hosts a radio show or a podcast of his own. Yes, that we'll be talking about.

11:49 Speaker 4: Yes, we're going to be talking about their show.

11:51 Speaker 11: Getting to learn about all that. So looking forward to that. We will say hello to everybody in the chat room. And we're now also streaming on I figured out how to stream this to YouTube as well, so some of these I'm able to see all the different chat comments coming from different places, all in one place here on this tab I've opened, So these might be coming from different places, but hello to everybody. Of course, we have beepen Art in the chat room, good morning, and Carol's of Warwitz Good morning.

12:19 Speaker 11: Also Bruce from Legion of Solace. Hello, Day to Attend we mentioned is in there earlier. And Tom Siracusa complimenting me on my shirt if you're just joining us a very comfortable shirt, broadly wearing my Day to Attend shirt.

12:31 Speaker 4: Yes, I know this because I've already worn mine.

12:33 Speaker 11: Yes, yes, Let's see Sepsis is in the Facebook live chat.

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12:46 Speaker 11: I did see Eleanor from of course the Midnight Creatives Collective and mus Underground joins us in the Facebook live chat. Yes, like as I mentioned, we had Eleanor here with us last week. Let's see Jeff Richards is in the from Day to Attend. Hello. Let's see Archie Webster joins us and says, now, this is interesting, Archie Webster, that's a new name in there. But I feel like we're because.

13:11 Speaker 4: Don't read it.

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13:23 Speaker 4: How are you doing? You both from us? Be doing good? You doing from us?

13:27 Speaker 11: And Archie Webster says. Archie Webster says, we say we are a singing group quartet. Matt Connorton and check out of us Facebook like page. Wow, very nice.

13:42 Speaker 4: Alright, good morning Vermont.

13:47 Speaker 11: Eric Street joins us in the Facebook live chat. Hello Eric, good morning. Eric says, it seems like this is.

13:53 Speaker 4: A mirror I see.

13:57 Speaker 11: Eric says, it seems like there's been more COVID cases recently. Yeah, COVID is very much surging this summer. Uh, that's the bad news. The good news is the hospitalizations remain extremely low. So that's that's good. I mean, that's that's the key.

14:12 Speaker 12: But I've just received a message to remind you that we are also broadcasting on Tomorrow radio in Ireland. Oh, yes, yeah, thank you for the reminder, Andrew.

14:21 Speaker 4: You are correct.

14:22 Speaker 11: Eric Street says it seems like yes. J Fed says, good morning everyone. Hello, Jfed Hans Smith, of course, from the band Stepsis.

14:33 Speaker 4: Hello, morning morning, I could have worn I saw Vermont in there. Yeah, yeah, there he is. Did you already say that?

14:43 Speaker 11: Yes, I just did. Tattoo Babies says morning. Hello. She's the uh the cover model for Grimrock. Let's see. I just want to make sure we don't miss anybody in here, because it's very busy in there this morning, very very busy. All right, very good. I think we got everybody. If I miss you, I apologize. Journey, you know, we like to, uh, we like.

15:10 Speaker 4: To take a journey.

15:11 Speaker 11: We like to talk about these uh interesting things. This, this drama in the music industry and Journey has proven to be I'm fascinated by by something if you haven't followed it, Journey of course, these these bandmates in Journey, you know, you can't blame Steve Perry really for all these years of not wanting to go back. I can understand why the title of it, yeah that while Billboard has a new article up, don't stop litigating, do stop? Journey bandmates are battling in court yet again. What has always fascinated me about bands that don't get along and they have all this acrimony and even in some instances, you know, suing each other while they're in a band together.

15:57 Speaker 11: I've always been fascinated by the dynamics of that and how weird it must be to be in a band and have issues with other band members to the point where you're suing each other and yet still be able to go on stage and play with them. That's always fascinating to me.

16:15 Speaker 12: It's an odd dynamic because how do you do that and not bash each other with the guitars or something.

16:22 Speaker 11: Well, and and you know, there have been instances. I mean, geez, you can find YouTube compilations of bands getting into fights on stage, and.

16:30 Speaker 12: Like, what, what's a good one? I can't think of somebody getting into a fight one.

16:36 Speaker 11: Marilyn Manson and there's a YouTube video of him kicking John five. This is from quite a few years ago, and they're good now, but.

16:44 Speaker 4: On stage he kicked him.

16:45 Speaker 11: He kicked John five. No, no, but but kicked him. And then you see John five like throw down his guitar and he's gonna fight him.

16:55 Speaker 4: And oh, geez, yeah, they really had.

16:57 Speaker 11: That's that's one example. There's of course, a famous I need to go on.

17:02 Speaker 4: And exploratory now, I want to see these videos.

17:04 Speaker 11: There's a famous example of and there's no video of this, there's only audio, and I think the audio it's hard to hear. But there's a famous example of the Eagles where they almost came to well, they were threatening each other, like Don Felder and Glenn Fry kept threatening that you know after the set, you know we're gonna fight between songs, you know, sniping at each other, that kind of thing.

17:29 Speaker 4: So but this, this is I mean, I feel like this good reason on this one.

17:34 Speaker 11: Well, but what's always interested me about this is and I remember when I first became sort of fascinated by that dynamic. And it was before I even started playing in bands myself. And you know, when you play in a band, you know, sometimes you have conflict. And although rarely, most most of the bands I played in were pretty free of inter band drama. But when I was like, and my dad, you know, he listens to the show, he might remember this. When I was a kid, I watched a documentary with my dad and I don't remember if it was a documentary specifically about Brian Brian Adam No from the Beach Boys, Brian Wilson.

18:09 Speaker 11: I don't remember if it was specifically about Brian Wilson or if it was a broader documentary about the Beach Boys. But there was a point, and it was really when they were kind of at the height of their fame where they were touring and the group and obviously the Beach Boys, there's a bunch of members. They had kind of split into two factions and because they weren't getting along, like there was the Brian Wilson faction and the Mike Love faction. Didn't even know that, and they would actually enter the stage what it was time to play.

18:41 Speaker 11: They would enter the stage, both factions from opposite sides of the stage, so that they because they tried to keep apart, almost like two rival gangs, so they would keep apart, you know, before and after the show, but they would actually enter from opposite sides. And then of course they wouldn't interact at all except for playing these songs together.

19:00 Speaker 12: But I mean, just that's gonna be so bizarre to stand on a stage playing music.

19:04 Speaker 4: You would think, so you're together, but you're not. Well, how does that work?

19:07 Speaker 12: Do they just because they're not gonna play their guitars and lean into each other, right? Yeah, No, they like do they have like you know, you stay away one hundred feet from me on the stage. Yeah, don't cross this line. They're gonna take a piece of tape and like put it down the middle. This is my side.

19:22 Speaker 11: Yeah, it's so weird. And but I also wonder too about practical things like how do you even write a set list if if you can't even speak to each other, you know what I mean?

19:31 Speaker 4: They have an intermediary does that at work?

19:34 Speaker 11: Or there's probably one person who who is in charge with the.

19:37 Speaker 12: Legal pad of paper and he's going back and forth. We want to play these songs. Okay, I'll go to the other faction. Can you agree to these songs in this order? No, we need to move this and this and they go back.

19:47 Speaker 4: That's gotta be oh boy, Yeah, it's got to be very because we have like.

19:50 Speaker 12: Lawyers negotiating everything, and they have like documents on how what how the set is gonna run and how much time each one's gonna get.

20:00 Speaker 4: That's terrible. Yeah, and this is sad.

20:02 Speaker 12: It's like all these bands from when we were younger are like suing each other, you know what I mean, Like Darryl holl and John Oh, it's that's lawsuits, and Journey's got lawsuits and like everybody's.

20:16 Speaker 4: Against each other. But the weird ways.

20:18 Speaker 11: But the weird thing with Journey is some of this litigation that's been going on between Jonathan Kane and Neil Sean has been going on for years, Like they've been out on tours while there was active litigation between them, you know. So that's like, you know, that's a step further than just not getting along or not really speaking to each other much.

20:39 Speaker 12: But they have their they have themselves set up as a company with directors.

20:44 Speaker 11: Yeah, which which is which Steve Perry is still a part of by the way. Yeah. Oh and then there was that weird thing a few years ago where and this for this thing, I think Jonathan Kane and Neil Sean were on the same side where Ross Valerie and the other guy's name I can't remember now, Steve something. They actually they actually tried to take over the company. They tried to do some weird legal maneuvering where they were going to take over ownership of the company like a hostile bab the control's Journey.

21:15 Speaker 11: Yeah, and they ended up and that's why they ended up getting kicked out of the band was because they tried to take over, and I think Steve Perry even got involved again, he's not in the band, hasn't been for decades now for them, Arnelle Paneda, he's been in the band for a long time. Yeah, he's been in the band a long time now.

21:34 Speaker 12: But okay, so let's get into some meat. Showan Is was sued by Cain because he said Caine says, you unfairly blocked me from the company's American Express account. But Shon is saying, yeah, but I did that because you're using it, you're misusing it, and you're using money to pay for like you in your wife's hotel room. So this it's always the money. It's always the money. It's always the money. But Kane is claiming that showan has spent up to ten thousand dollars per night for hotel rooms during their most recent tour.

22:17 Speaker 4: Ten thousand dollars a night. Where are you staying? Where in the heck are you staying?

22:24 Speaker 11: This journey? They're famous?

22:25 Speaker 12: Oh my god, like you could you could rent a home for somebody for a year for one night stay in this hotel.

22:32 Speaker 4: It's insane. Who spends Why?

22:36 Speaker 12: Why do you spend ten grand on a hotel room, why you're gonna you're barely going to be in it.

22:41 Speaker 11: I mean, if it was somebody like Motley Crue, you know back in the day, you would you would figure, well, they probably wreck everything, and they did.

22:46 Speaker 12: That's why they needed ten thousand for a night though, because they had to replace hotel.

22:51 Speaker 11: But I don't think Jonathan Kane is throwing a couch out a window.

22:54 Speaker 12: Sounds like he's being exorbitant in a spending Yeah you know, so Kane shown each control exactly fifty percent.

23:03 Speaker 4: Of the company.

23:04 Speaker 12: Yeah, so which is you've got You've got heads just solid into each other.

23:09 Speaker 11: Which is not the same as ownership. We should we should clarify.

23:12 Speaker 4: That control versus ownership is different.

23:14 Speaker 11: Right right, because, like I said, Steve Perry still owns I don't know the guys who are cast out of the band. I don't know if they still own part of the company as well. Like I said, they tried to take control of it and it got them fired from the band. But that doesn't mean they don't still own stakes in the company. But yes, Neil Sean and Jonathan Kane, and by the way, for it.

23:33 Speaker 4: Give me any number of people with stakes in the company.

23:35 Speaker 12: I mean, yeah, it's not even limited to the band members themselves.

23:38 Speaker 11: And for those who don't know, Neil Sean of course is a guitar player, and Jonathan Kane is the keyboard player who occasionally plays guitar on some songs that don't have keyboard, like a Stone in Love for example.

23:50 Speaker 4: They're there.

23:50 Speaker 12: It's like they're going head to head. So another one of the issues that these guys are doing is one of them will fire somebody and then maybe a few hours or days later, the other no one will we hire the same person that got fired.

24:03 Speaker 11: Yeah, so you got one.

24:04 Speaker 12: Director goes, I can't stand you, get out, and then like two days later, the other one goes, come back, come back.

24:10 Speaker 11: Well, here's what this is.

24:12 Speaker 4: It's like it's it's like tip for tat, I'm gonna get you.

24:16 Speaker 11: This is you know, Yeah, it's not. It's no way to run a business.

24:20 Speaker 12: No, this is terrible. I mean and I can't even imagine me. Can you imagine being an employee? If one you get to worry, if one director doesn't like you, they might toss you. You get a stay in somebody's good side, to stay in the company.

24:34 Speaker 11: Well. This is from Billboard dot Com. It says never any. Legal battle between Journey members Jonathan Kane and Neil Sean erupted again this week, with Kane filing a new lawsuit against Sean overclaims that is exorbitant spending is threatening to cripple the band's touring operations, and a complaint made public and Delaware Court on Tuesday, July thirtieth. Kane claimed that Shawn's alleged spending, including unilaterally chartering private jets and charging personal expenses their shared American Express card, has led to a deadlock that must be resolved Caine's lawyer's right quote.

25:08 Speaker 11: The deadlock between the company's directors is now interfering with the company's ability to take even the most basic actions and is causing significant disruptions in the smooth operation of the company. The problems posed a severe threat of harm to the company and to Journey's storied history of musical greatness. Unquote. Legal battles are nothing new for Sean and Kin, the two remaining members of an iconic rock band that still is printing money money decades after its Don't Stop Believe in Heyday Back in twenty twenty two, Sean sued Caine over allegations that his bandmate had unfairly blocked his access to the American Express account, interfering with the band's activities and delaying payments to crew members and vendors.

25:50 Speaker 11: A few months later, Caine sued him back, claiming he had placed those restrictions on the AMEX to stop Sean from misusing the company card, including spent ian four hundred thousand dollars in a single month. So they both accuse each other of overspending. The new case, filed in Delaware's Clansery Court, largely rehashes those same disagreements over spending, like Cain claiming that Sean has quote spent up to ten thousand dollars per night for hotel rooms for him and his wife unquote during their most recent tour.

26:24 Speaker 11: But in technical terms, the new case focuses narrowly on the governance of Freedom twenty twenty Inc, a Delaware based corporate entity's that they created to operate journeys touring. Since Cain and Sean each control exactly fifty percent of the company, the lawsuit says the two have reached an impasse that is spilled into other aspects of the band's operations, like managing their staffers. By the way, the reason this company exists to begin with this Freedom twenty twenty inc Is because a parent a number of years ago.

27:02 Speaker 11: This, if I'm remembering this correctly, this is what I've read because I've tried to follow all the Journey drama as much as possible, and I am a fan, you know, but uh, a number of years ago, Neil Sean and his wife started looking into Uh, they started looking more closely at journeys of financial operations as a band from a business standpoint, because they had a manager and they felt like the manager. Not that I don't think this was a case of the manager. You know, you hear about this a lot in the music industry.

27:39 Speaker 11: You know, a manager stealing or or somebody is ripping off the band, or you know, or a band suing their record label because they feel like their record label is stealing from them. There's a lot of horror stories. But this was a case of they just uh, they started to when they looked into things. Neil Sewan and his wife felt like Journey was getting a raw deal. You know, they were playing thesees and but they didn't seem to be making that much money, and they didn't understand where the money was going, what was happening in to their profits and whatnot.

28:07 Speaker 11: So they I think they just basically fired their entire management team at the time and said, we're going to run everything ourselves. Other artists have tried to do that. It's hard to do at that level. Years ago, I saw a documentary about back in the nineties when Duran Duran tried to do it. They actually tried to. They fired their their management team and said, We're just going to do everything ourselves. We can do everything ourselves. Why are we paying out all this money?

28:35 Speaker 4: And oh yeah, they did that.

28:38 Speaker 11: They well they did. You might not have known because unless you happen to see this particular documentary, because it didn't last long. They did it, They tried it, and they said, oh my god, we are in so far over our heads. We cannot run this band this way. So then they undid you know, they hired a new management team and everything, and they said never again. Kiss During the eighties, for for a long period of time, they didn't have a manager per se. They had their the accounting firm they were working with Glickman Marx was kind of their kind of their managers and that they they you know, kind of ran the business of Kiss.

29:19 Speaker 11: But Kiss was essentially self managed actually at a couple of points during their career, and they managed to pull it off.

29:30 Speaker 4: Jean's are real business minded guy though, like.

29:32 Speaker 11: Well, and so is Paul Stanley and they yeah, and they they managed, they got away.

29:37 Speaker 4: They've always treated it like a business. Yes, that's a big well, that's the thing.

29:42 Speaker 12: And they also don't have as much I mean, yeah, there was some alcohol, but they didn't have like that as a as a bigger issue. And Paul right, yeah, whereas other bands of that era, it was all of the band was doing that, right. These guys kept their heads on straight the whole time. Oh yeah, and we're all always treating it like a business.

30:02 Speaker 11: Right Yeah, Like all this stuff with Journey, you cannot imagine this happening and Kiss, anything like this would would never happen in Kiss. So again, this is from Billboard dot Com. In technical terms, the new case focus is narrowly.

30:21 Speaker 11: Oh I'm sorry I read that part already. Let me go down here. So Cain's lawyer, this is what Jonathan Kaine's lawyers say in the lawsuit, quote, Petitioner and respond and are deadlocked with regard to issues concerning the hiring and firing of company employees and band crew members. It is common that one director will terminate an employee or crew member, and hours or days later, the other director will rehire that same individual unquote. As you mentioned earlier, the lawsuit claims the strife between Cain and Shawn has also led to other problems, including disagreements about whether to accept an advance from AEG for their most recent tour, the purchase of cancelation insurance, and other problems.

31:07 Speaker 11: Caine's lawyer's right quote. The deadlock between petitioner and respondent has created a toxic internal environment. Rather than focusing on the band's performances during a major international tour, the band's members and crew now find themselves caught in the middle of the director's disputes, afraid of performing their job responsibilities, and pressured to align with one director or another unquote.

31:30 Speaker 4: That's horrible work environment. Oh yeah, the music can't imagine.

31:35 Speaker 11: The music industry is hard enough without all this talk.

31:37 Speaker 4: About hiding from your bosses.

31:38 Speaker 11: Oh yeah, get in the bathroom, they're coming well, or hiding from one of them.

31:43 Speaker 4: Exactly, from both of them. I feel like I just don't want to be in the middle of any of this.

31:48 Speaker 11: I think in this say, in this situation, probably some of them they hide from whichever one fired them and try and try to stay close to whichever one.

31:55 Speaker 4: Really doesn't see me.

31:57 Speaker 11: You wote no I got brought back? Yeah, exactly. It says here as a solution, Ken is asking the court to appoint a neutral third director of the company who will be able to issue the tie breaking vote during disputes over key issues. Well, what they're like.

32:12 Speaker 4: Divorced parents fighting over their children.

32:14 Speaker 11: Well, what they need is a manager. See it sounds like they don't need.

32:18 Speaker 12: A third person to be well, they're supposed to have a third person, but it doesn't really.

32:21 Speaker 4: Go into the much.

32:22 Speaker 11: Yeah. Well it sounds like.

32:23 Speaker 4: Oh the cour Oh whoats because I jumped ahead.

32:26 Speaker 11: It sounds like they don't have a manager either, right, So they're they're just they're running everything themselves.

32:32 Speaker 4: I think there's managers to a point.

32:35 Speaker 11: Well, because part of what a manager of a band does is say, you know, like, if there's a dispute like this, the manager says, look, we're going to do this. You know, you guys hired me to run this band. Here's what we're gonna do.

32:45 Speaker 12: Kine is asking the court to appoint a third director who could be a neutral director that could issue a tie breaking vote on all of these issues, because you it's divorced.

32:57 Speaker 4: It's like divorced parents fighting over the kids.

32:59 Speaker 12: And yeah, that's that's you get these two equal in ownership, I mean equal indecision making right fifty to fifty directors and.

33:09 Speaker 4: They don't agree.

33:10 Speaker 12: And they not only did they not agree, they set out to go against the other one. Oh you fired so and so I'm gonna bring them back.

33:17 Speaker 11: Yeah, so this.

33:18 Speaker 4: Is Yeah, they're good.

33:20 Speaker 12: It's it's it's sad that it's sad to see all this happening. But I mean, you look at some of the stuff he's reporting. Kane is claiming he put the restrictions on the.

33:34 Speaker 4: Card because he's the other guy. Sorry, Sean. Sean spent four hundred thousand dollars on the American Express card in one month. One month.

33:49 Speaker 12: Yeah, I think I could live off of that much money for the rest of my life.

33:53 Speaker 4: And he spent that one month.

33:55 Speaker 11: Yeah, that's crazy.

33:57 Speaker 4: And American expresses. The one that you got to pay off everything next month. You can't carry a balance on that sucker.

34:03 Speaker 12: The one dude does four hundred thousand, and everybody else is even just using it reasonably like they're supposed to.

34:09 Speaker 4: That's a heck of a month filled the way. Jeez, buy a house, buy a couple of houses.

34:15 Speaker 11: Yeah, you can do a whole lot. That's crazy, says In a statement to Billboard, Kane's attorney, said Libisman Leibsman, stressed that his client was not seeking damages and only wanted to resolve the impasse. Quote. It is expected that the third director will provide resolution to the issues between John and Neil. It is John's intent for Journey to continue providing great live music throughout the current tour. Unquote. An attorney who was who has represented Sean in his previous litigation with Kin, did not return a request for comment.

34:46 Speaker 11: Okay, and then it gets to what I was talking about earlier, it says here. Even before Sean and Kin came to blows, members of Journey had been sparring in court for years. Back in twenty twenty, the two men teamed up to file a lawsuit against former drummers Smith Steven Smith, that's right, he's I couldn't remember his last name, and former bassist Ross Valerie over the band's name, and in twenty twenty two, former lead singer Steve Perry took legal action to help Sean and Kane from registering Oh I'm sorry to stop, rather not to help, but to stop Sean and Kane from registering federal trademarks on the names of many of the band's biggest hits.

35:23 Speaker 11: Yeah, I remember that. That was interesting too, Yeah, because part of what when Neil Shawn and his wife started looking into things, part of what they realized was that, you know, somebody could, for example, make a T shirt that says don't Stop Believing on it, and you know, well, why aren't we making that money when people here don't stop believing they think of our song? You know, we should register these trademarks. And and you know, Steve Perry's going, wait a minute, I wrote those lyrics. Why do you get to trademark that?

35:59 Speaker 11: You know, so he actually helped prevent them from doing that.

36:02 Speaker 4: Why wasn't it done under the company like it makes me? I get what they're.

36:07 Speaker 11: Saying, Well, it probably was, but but Steve Perry said, Nope, you're not doing that.

36:13 Speaker 12: Well, I don't blame him. Don't blame him like you said, he's still has ownership. Yeah, he may not be in the decision room, which it sounds like it's not a fun place to be.

36:22 Speaker 4: Anyway, Right, I wouldn't blame him one bit.

36:25 Speaker 12: Yeah, it's awful how these bands have have devolved into this, you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, I mean when I can think about when I was a kid and they look so fun and happy, Like what happened to you?

36:41 Speaker 4: Guys?

36:42 Speaker 12: You're fun and happy. Now they're sueing each other. Although I can't blame them all right, I'm sorry. If we had a business and all of a sudden you're looking at a four hundred thousand dollars bill on one of your charge guards by one person in the business, I'd lose my mind.

36:58 Speaker 11: Yeah.

36:59 Speaker 12: I can't even am seeing a bill like that and not losing your mind. And what is the other guy thinking? Is he going like I deserve this? So I'm just gonna keep pulling this card out like I deserve this. I mean, you got to tell yourself something to talk yourself into making it sane. To rent a ten thousand dollars.

37:20 Speaker 11: I disagree. I don't think you have to talk yourself into anything at that point when you're that rich and you're that famous. I think something happens psychologically where no, I don't think they. I think that's the problem. They don't have to talk themselves into anything. And a lot of famous people, people who've been very wealthy, who then they go through a thing where they have it and then they lose it all they talk about this how at the height of their fame and wealth, they just kind of assume, they get into this mindset where they just assume it's going to be that way forever.

37:52 Speaker 11: They're gonna be super famous forever, the money's going to be coming in forever, so they can spend as much as they want to and never have to worry about it, and it just be comes a thing. And in Journeys case, not not that I'm justifying it, but you can almost see where because here, here Journey, you have a band that was at the the their peak in the eighties but has actually still managed to I mean, you know, haven't had a hit song in decades, but they still loves and they still do so much business touring.

38:26 Speaker 11: They can still tour arenas and and still make so much money. And that's really where the money is anyway, That and merchandising and and so. In their case the money actually has never stopped coming.

38:38 Speaker 12: So, but this is a grotesque greed that's involved in that. I'm sorry because I mean, I can't I if I had all of this, I won the lottery, I have money now. I still I wouldn't want to go buy a ginormous frickin' mansion that costs the fortune to run and takes incredible amounts of work to clean. I'd want a nice, little small place that has a little garden, makes me happy and money in the bank to sustain me for the rest of my days. I just I always I'm always in It's always mind boggling when you look at some of these people and it's like, why did you buy that ginormous house for two people?

39:18 Speaker 4: How does that work? Why is that worth it?

39:21 Speaker 12: Why is it worth it to have a five hundred dollars electric bill, And you know, I imagine a three hundred dollars gas bill. I mean, I can't imagine how much it costs just to run the house itself. Now, how much work does it take to upkeep it, clean it, to paint, to fix it. I mean, I watch my dad upkeep his house, and he's meticulous. This house is gorgeous, but he works his bum off all the time, every week, every year, every month to keep that house looking that way. It takes work to keep it that way.

39:52 Speaker 12: It doesn't just magically stay that way. These guys get this money and they buy these monstrosities of homes. And I've got ten cars, Why you could only drive one at a time.

40:04 Speaker 4: Why?

40:05 Speaker 11: Yeah?

40:05 Speaker 12: Why is it that when you get some money in your hands, all of a sudden, there's this grotesque greed, right, and you forget all of the decency that you used to be, or the decent things you used to say, or the things you used to Oh gee, I wish I could do this, or do you wish I could help that one?

40:22 Speaker 4: But then the minute the money gets into the hand, it's like you forget all of that, right. But these yeah, something happens.

40:28 Speaker 12: I think you're right, something happens to these people's brains that they think, well, since I always have this, I should I must own a four million dollar ginormous home that I only live in two rooms of because really, you can't enjoy a house that.

40:45 Speaker 4: How do you enjoy a house that being a one person?

40:47 Speaker 11: I come on, I think it's probably for people it's just all about status. It's ego showing off an ego. And I know everyone says this, but I really do think it's It's true in my case and in yours too. But yeah, if I if I had that kind of money, that's not where I would put it because I'm something of a minimalist, Like I don't want Like, there's nothing about the idea of living in a mansion with rooms I don't even use just to have it. There's nothing about that that appeals to me. No, there's nothing about it that appeals to me.

41:24 Speaker 12: Of course my brain goes to, you know, how much upkeep that is? But yeah, but plus I like small and cozy.

41:30 Speaker 11: But I think I think most people though it is. It is strange and it's something I've noticed from what I realized this from a pretty young age. Most people, if you talk to them about about, uh, what it would be like to be rich, they do they They will tell you, oh, yeah, I'd have ten cars and a mansion. And it's like, really, you wouldn't. You wouldn't, that's what you would do. Like I do think there's something in the human condition where most people I think we're the odd ones. I think I think most people, Yeah, that's what they think about.

42:00 Speaker 12: And it's like, why, but I only need to drive one car at a time. I could take two cars to be quite content, and take the other eight cars and go feed like an entire freaking school system. There's so much you could do with that crazy amount of money. Yeah, you know what I mean that I can't. It's like people who spend thousands of dollars on these red bottom shoes. I can't understand it to me because to spend thousands of dollars on a pair of shoes, to me sounds like grotesque greed, Like I don't need a decent pair of shoes, doesn't cost that much because I grew up though, I grew up with a dad that taught me the value of a dollar, you know, so you know you didn't take anything for granted if you got a pair.

42:43 Speaker 12: When I got to go to the shoes store and I got to come home with two or three pairs of shoes, that was a big deal to get two pairs or to get three pairs. That was a big deal. That was that was money. And for us, you know, it's not a pair of shoes, but ooh, I got your dress shoes and sneakers like that was a big deal.

43:00 Speaker 4: To be able to do that. I can't imagine. I don't know. I guess. Yeah, maybe we are the oddballs.

43:06 Speaker 12: It's just it takes very little to make me happy. And I can't imagine wasting so much money when there's so much in the world that you could do to make I make.

43:16 Speaker 4: How many lives could you save with one car?

43:21 Speaker 11: Hello?

43:21 Speaker 4: Hello, is this the mat? Oh?

43:26 Speaker 11: My goodness, is this John C. Hopwood?

43:30 Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm listening to your conversation. I don't know how old was Journey when they made it big. What was the average age?

43:41 Speaker 4: They were pretty young, weren't they.

43:42 Speaker 11: Yeah, they had to be pretty young. I'm gonna guess and say, I'm gonna guess in say twenty five.

43:49 Speaker 13: Yeah, I think there's a big difference. Richard Barrett and always said there's a big difference becoming really famous when you're very young, like Elizabeth Taylor and Marin the brand though, where it was almost when he became famous and rich. You know, you're immature, right, and so you buy your toys. But with the Beatles, who you know, very young when they got rich, both stay houses and everything were tacked right off. So I just thought i'd brought that. Bring that up, great show, Good miss you take care.

44:20 Speaker 11: All right, thanks for the call time. I appreciate it. By bye o those guys. We haven't heard from John and Along.

44:25 Speaker 4: I know, yeah, is he on the other side of the world.

44:28 Speaker 11: Now, I'm not sure. He sounded like he was on a train or something. It's very loud. No, it was nice to hear from him though. Yeah.

44:36 Speaker 12: Uh.

44:36 Speaker 11: I wonder, you know, to John's point about how they were very young.

44:41 Speaker 12: Well, that has an aspect of course, because when I was younger, I was very stupid.

44:44 Speaker 4: Now that I look back on myself.

44:46 Speaker 11: And I wonder, I wonder John's observation. I wonder if that that's gotta be thinking? Is that part of the problem if you become if you do become so successful so young, and you have all that money, you establish a you know, as ay an a therapist, we talk a lot about patterns. You establish a pattern of spending recklessly and foolishly and not practically and uh, and so whereas as John said, like Richard Burton, who you know, didn't become wealthy until he was in its forties, if you become wealthy at an older age, you're you're going to be more practical and and maybe and maybe not be so foolish as to just assume this gravy train's going to go forever.

45:28 Speaker 11: And again, in the case of Journey, it actually has gone forever. But uh, but a little more practical with your money. I don't know. I mean, I think that's an interesting point.

45:38 Speaker 12: It is like the I mean, to spend money the way that that was being spent, it has to you have to have the mindset of an there's no bottom, there's no there's no my wallet will never be empty, right, It has got to be your feeling. If you can sign up for a ten thousand dollar hotel room, that's just mind boggling to me. Ten grand for one night is so insane.

46:00 Speaker 11: Right, I just can't.

46:02 Speaker 4: I couldn't do that. I could not do that and look myself in the mirror. I just couldn't.

46:08 Speaker 11: Yeah, I couldn't.

46:11 Speaker 4: I could freaking fill a food pantry to the ceiling.

46:18 Speaker 12: I'm gonna spend ten grand on one night in a hotel? Does this hotel have.

46:23 Speaker 11: The other thing too? About age? You know, because like I said, John brought up you know, they were probably very young when they established these patterns. Is and I said the same thing when we were talking about the I've said this actually while when we talked about the Daryl Hall versus John Oat lawsuit, and also in talking about Don Henley. It's like these guys, these guys in Journey now they're in their seventies. Is this what you want to be doing when you're in your seventies, tied up in all this litigation.

46:53 Speaker 4: The money like blind with money.

46:56 Speaker 11: I know, but it's like geez, just ah see them, Just do your thing. I mean, these guys like I mean.

47:02 Speaker 4: You took a dollar too much.

47:04 Speaker 11: They're so lucky. They're so fortunate not only to.

47:08 Speaker 12: Not only toy have this, but they have their health to be able to do what they're doing, and they have all this money at their fingertips. They'll never not want for nothing. Right, they don't worry about clothing or food or any of that. They have nothing to worry about.

47:21 Speaker 11: But this is what they're I mean, Journey's canceling shows. Now, this is what they're gonna this is what they're gonna spend their time on.

47:27 Speaker 4: And this is how they're going to go out at this point satisfy. It doesn't go out that way.

47:32 Speaker 11: That's what I said about Darryl Hall and John Oates. It's like, oh my god, the biggest selling duo in pop history, all the money they could ever need, all the fame, you know, and again they they've sustained, you know, they've sustained this over so many decades. And this is how it ends. This is how it litigation.

47:52 Speaker 12: Yeah, you're not going to talk at you. If we go on stage together. It's opposite sides. You stay on your side. I'll stay on my side. And it's and all of it comes down to the one. It's the ego of money. Yeah, it's all about ego and money.

48:06 Speaker 11: And if you're if you're a twenty something, you know, and you have a conflict with somebody, you know, you kind of take it. And you shouldn't take it for granted because anything can happen, but you kind of take it for granted. You had all the time in the world. At some point someday you'll rectify things. You'll make up. Everything will be good, you'll get back together, it'll work out. But you know, when you're in your mid seventies and you're fighting with somebody over money or over a contract, it's like, you know again, I think if Daryl Hall and John it was because I'm such a I grew up such a huge Hall and Oats fan.

48:37 Speaker 11: It's like, and this is how, this is how it's gonna end for them, you know. And and Darrel hasn't said much about it John lately. John has said in interviews when asked, you know or you and Daryl do you think you and Darrel are going to reconcile at some point? He said, probably not. This is probably it, And it's like, oh my god, and he you know. And honestly, I mean, the one silver lining with that is John Oates from what I've seen in the interviews when he's talking about it, you know, I'm sure he carries a sadness about the situation, but he also seems like a little bit of a weight'spin lifted off of him.

49:12 Speaker 11: And Daryl probably feels that way too, because Darryl Hall was clearly resentful of having to share. So I'm going to success with John. But I want to go back to.

49:19 Speaker 4: What I said something earlier. It is like people getting divorced.

49:22 Speaker 12: Now, these guys got together, they were in love with each other, they made music together. That's literally together for so long that they start nitpicking at each other. Little things start annoying each other, and they stay together too long and they end up presenting each other.

49:35 Speaker 11: Yes, well that's literally what Daryl said. He referred to it as a global divorce.

49:41 Speaker 4: It is, and a lot of reason. It's so sad. It's so sad. I'm sad for that.

49:49 Speaker 11: Well, we only have a little bit of time left in the hour, but moving on from journey just for a moment, because this is somewhat excuse me, this is somewhat related. I apologize. I didn't get to the button in time before I cough. I'm not sick, just my allergies continue to This has been a bad summer for allergies for me. Yeah, but you know this year we talk about people, they get used to spending the money and they you see this a lot in hip hop. They you know, the bottom eventually falls out. Also from Billboard dot Com, Damon dashes Rockefella, which is a very famous UH record label and hip hop Rockefeller shares will be auctioned to pay legal judgments.

50:30 Speaker 11: This is from Billboard dot com and I haven't followed this particular story, but it says Damon Dash is one third stake in Jay Z's Rockefeller Records is going up for auction later this month, but a source tells Billboard that the shows might come with some The shares rather might come with some key limitations. According to federal court filings this week, the US Marshall Service will auction off Damon Dash's thirty three and a third interest in the storied record company to satisfy an eight hundred and twenty three thousand dollars judgment against him in a lawsuit filed by movie producer Josh Weber over a failed film partnership.

51:09 Speaker 11: The auction is set for August twenty nine at a midtown Manhattan hotel. Will have a minimum bit of one point two million dollars. I don't want to get in all the math of it, but skipping down just quickly. The sale will be for Dash's Steak and Rockefeller, Inc. An entity whose primary assets are the rights to Jay Z's iconic debut album Reasonable doubt. According to an April article by Rolling Stone, the rest of the catalog of music released by Rockefeller, which is dissolved as an operational label in twenty thirteen, is owned by other entities and is not involved the owner of the other two thirds of Rockefeller Label, co founders Jay z and Kareem Biggs Burke, have already attempted to stop the auction, including making changes to the company's bylaws and interviewing in the lawsuit.

51:59 Speaker 11: I'm sorry intervening rather in the lawsuit, but a federal judge rejected such opposition in February, and we won't go through it. This is a long involved article. Maybe we'll revisit this in the future. But I do have to wonder if some of the attorneys involved in this are you know, do they hire law firms that have also been used by the members of Journey in their legal misadventures with each other? It just goes on and on, all right. We are approaching the top of the hour. We have some guests coming in in the third hour, but we want to ask promised, I'm going to play another track from our one guest today.

52:38 Speaker 11: We had the band Club Paradise skyping in from the UK and this is a great track. This is called Another Life. And we didn't tell the guys at a time where we're going to play this one, but I love this song. And then we're also going to in case you missed it earlier, the world radio premiere today of the new track from Hope the Rapper. We're gonna play that again too, And then we've got some guests coming in the third hour, so don't go away anymore. Matt Connorton unleashed to come.

53:08 Speaker 14: Can you see us meeting and another another life? Can you feel this speed into another life? Not alife? Can you see us meeting.

53:25 Speaker 6: And another life? Another life?

53:30 Speaker 14: Can you feel this speed into another life?

53:34 Speaker 11: Another life?

53:37 Speaker 5: What if frame not on.

53:39 Speaker 6: Delivery stretch of resting your ploy? Did that even breaths?

53:44 Speaker 11: This life was sign you gave me.

53:48 Speaker 4: WoT scare you to walk and see a well with me?

53:51 Speaker 14: When those guys time green and stuff, A wee cry a sign on emdens.

53:59 Speaker 4: We'll let say for me to me You see.

54:01 Speaker 14: That he had world outlo it's your lady. Can you see us meaning in another another life?

54:14 Speaker 6: Can you see this lean into another life?

54:18 Speaker 5: No life?

54:22 Speaker 14: Can you see us meaning at a.

54:24 Speaker 6: Nod to feel lessly into a noddle. Life feel like a breaking going on the room.

54:41 Speaker 14: My thought collection, traguric perceptions just gather the dust.

54:49 Speaker 11: Because I was a desperate man.

54:52 Speaker 5: In on all of homes.

54:56 Speaker 6: But I can't be tampering.

54:58 Speaker 14: Man, it's you why you see it the most? Can you see us? Meetings not alive? Timmy ball is clean into another another.

55:21 Speaker 6: GMC as me and it was not allowed.

55:28 Speaker 14: Jimmy ball is clean into a noddle. About just sat inside every one?

55:44 Speaker 5: No time? What it bout?

55:51 Speaker 6: Just sid inside?

55:59 Speaker 4: No, I'm on my way now.

56:22 Speaker 6: Why would I wait? Now?

56:23 Speaker 15: Wait now I'm on my way now.

56:26 Speaker 6: Why would I wait?

56:27 Speaker 14: Now?

56:27 Speaker 6: Wait now I'm on my way now? Why would I wait?

56:31 Speaker 12: Now?

56:32 Speaker 5: On my way?

56:33 Speaker 6: No way?

56:35 Speaker 5: Like things like.

56:36 Speaker 16: Sports is touchdown? We're getting When I'm on that bill, I don't.

56:39 Speaker 6: Give a shout.

56:40 Speaker 16: What's because I'm working on mine and I need a good deal coming.

56:43 Speaker 6: What's real?

56:43 Speaker 16: How I need a bill twenty note trying to get all of my bills and trying to destroy me like capital bill. I'm coming right back, and I'm nothing to thrill. But against ain't copping.

56:51 Speaker 11: They're making this bell.

56:54 Speaker 16: For the impact the quick dash soon as money called me right back, do it all with my heart head, fight that honey, buy me with a barn that decide rat got I'm telling me he's wrong that I'm like that, Hi Jack the MICUs with the flight pack hunt a mic and a No. I'm to tell him holy fighting with the man in the mirror when the aero step back's a good pack. If we talk about impact, we did that. Oh no, heads to the front door. I know the test gonna come, So got one boy, the end and the one more.

57:19 Speaker 4: I swear for my end.

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57:46 Speaker 16: Pt Us don't drake down. God is like eight miles. I'm on my weight now, I'm on my way now. Why would wait now I'm on my way now? Why would I wear now I'm on my way now? Why would I wear?

58:02 Speaker 14: Now?

58:03 Speaker 12: Now?

58:04 Speaker 6: My way? When holder wait?

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58:36 Speaker 6: So love to word not.

58:38 Speaker 15: Wait now that was my trailer like eight mile, the ling I know down the plate round came from the foods and he pay?

58:44 Speaker 4: How did you do currency come in in?

58:46 Speaker 5: Currently?

58:47 Speaker 15: Keeping good company me you and your lobody, all of my bending and stuffers like children rim raised where no man is like the general. These rappers or so pick them up while hitting them.

58:56 Speaker 6: Draws might be your white it might be your mob.

58:58 Speaker 15: No discrimination. I'm blasing them off. They just talking like laughter. They see their black cat that like you look like a government come from the money. It's rotures and sofas employees don't. Before you had to go get it the packs in the digital and said I'm giving you VEX them a criminal packed up buff get packed in the clock. If you dumped in the lake and you thumb were okay, pounded, the flavor would break down. I was like the state like a break pound, just say the state up.

59:20 Speaker 6: In eight towns.

59:21 Speaker 17: They said, I'm on my weight now, I'm on my way now. Why would I weigh now now I'm on my way now. Why would I wait now now I'm on my way now. Why would I weigh.

59:33 Speaker 4: Now now I'm on my way now.

59:38 Speaker 10: When