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7:26 Speaker 11: Welcome back, everybody. This is Matt Connorton Unleashed and we

7:30 Speaker 11: are live from the studios of WMNH ninety five point

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7:37 Speaker 11: Street as we are well in the our number two

7:40 Speaker 11: New Marrow dose of our program this week. Jenny is

7:43 Speaker 11: here as well, of course, at the news.

7:44 Speaker 4: Table, President and accounted for a couple of.

7:46 Speaker 11: Things I want to remind people about. Next Saturday, one

7:50 Speaker 11: week from today, August seventeen, I will be participating in

7:54 Speaker 11: an event at the Sister Witch Company, which is at

7:57 Speaker 11: eleven ninety three Hooks at Road in Hooks at New

8:00 Speaker 11: so not far from here, like ten minutes up the

8:03 Speaker 11: road up Root three. It is a gritting class healing

8:06 Speaker 11: circle and I will be doing hypnotherapy at the at

8:11 Speaker 11: the event. So that is coming up one week from today.

8:14 Speaker 11: That is from noon to five pm. However, because of

8:17 Speaker 11: the radio show, I will not be arriving. My official

8:20 Speaker 11: arrival time there is two pm. I'll try to get

8:23 Speaker 11: there a little sooner, but you know, obviously we're here

8:25 Speaker 11: from nine am to noon and then usually by about

8:28 Speaker 11: one o'clock we're out of here by the time we

8:30 Speaker 11: get the show uploaded and all of that. But yeah,

8:34 Speaker 11: so I'll be getting there at two, but the event

8:36 Speaker 11: actually starts at noon, so you know, feel free to

8:38 Speaker 11: get there plenty early. There'll be a lot going on

8:40 Speaker 11: and really looking forward to that. So that is one

8:42 Speaker 11: week from today, August seventeen, noon to five pm at

8:44 Speaker 11: the Sister Witch Company and Hooks It. We should also

8:48 Speaker 11: mention Jenny ongoing this month for the month of August.

8:52 Speaker 11: You have your art, yes, hanging up in a wonderful

8:56 Speaker 11: place in Nashua.

8:57 Speaker 12: Yes, I am at the New Nashua Creative Collective. There

9:01 Speaker 12: are twelve of my pieces hanging just outside of Terminus,

9:06 Speaker 12: which is wonderful. I'm excited. And they're up there for

9:09 Speaker 12: the whole month, yes, which is crazy. Yeah, I can't

9:12 Speaker 12: believe there's still faintings hanging somewhere for a month, but

9:14 Speaker 12: it actually it looks amazing. They did a video with

9:17 Speaker 12: Dead Harrison playing in the background room.

9:19 Speaker 4: Yes, it is really really cool.

9:21 Speaker 12: Yeah, because that kind of met that meshed up quite nicely.

9:24 Speaker 12: So yeah, I'm excited that I'm hanging there. Also, if

9:26 Speaker 12: you'd like to go see some of my darkest pieces.

9:29 Speaker 12: They are now hanging at the Nashaua Creatives Collective.

9:32 Speaker 11: Yes, yes, and of course they have a terminus there

9:35 Speaker 11: which is Terminus Underground, which has a lot of live

9:38 Speaker 11: music and is really amazing.

9:40 Speaker 4: And we had Green Jelly is going to be playing.

9:43 Speaker 11: That's right, Yes, coming up around the corner. Yes, that

9:46 Speaker 11: is that is And we had last week on the

9:49 Speaker 11: show we had Eleanor and Spelfi and Andre yes Andre

9:53 Speaker 11: of course also in Dad Harrison. We played some of

9:55 Speaker 11: their music and it was great to have the three

9:57 Speaker 11: of them here talking about the Midnight Creatives Collective and

10:00 Speaker 11: Terminus Underground. Always always nice to see them.

10:05 Speaker 12: I always say the place is like the Tartis. Yes,

10:07 Speaker 12: it looks small, and then you go in and it

10:09 Speaker 12: just gets bigger.

10:10 Speaker 11: Well, yeah, you walk into that room, you go, Like

10:12 Speaker 11: I said, you walked in and I didn't even know

10:13 Speaker 11: about any of the background with the Walking Dead and

10:15 Speaker 11: all that. I had no idea because I've never even

10:17 Speaker 11: watched that show. But I just was amazed, like, you know.

10:20 Speaker 4: You mean the Walking Dead?

10:22 Speaker 11: Was it the Walking Dead? They were talking about Terminus Underground,

10:25 Speaker 11: the connection it's inspired by the Walking.

10:27 Speaker 12: Oh oh oh yeah, yeah, because you said that right

10:29 Speaker 12: after I said the Tartis, and I thought maybe you

10:31 Speaker 12: thought the Tartis was from the Walking Dead.

10:33 Speaker 11: Well, I've also never seen a single episode of Doctor Who. Well,

10:38 Speaker 11: but I do know what the Tartis is. Yes, that

10:40 Speaker 11: is true, that is true. But uh no, but I

10:43 Speaker 11: always say it's like another world when you walk into

10:45 Speaker 11: that room at Terminus, It's like walking into another world.

10:48 Speaker 4: Right, It's it is.

10:49 Speaker 11: Really incredible, really incredible, And it was great to have

10:53 Speaker 11: them here with us last week. Uh and thank you again,

10:56 Speaker 11: of course, not to Club Paradise for skyping in for

10:59 Speaker 11: the first our really love talking to them. We'll play

11:02 Speaker 11: another track of their Too Later.

11:03 Speaker 4: Really good. I really enjoy their music. I added them

11:06 Speaker 4: to my playlist.

11:07 Speaker 11: And of course, our featured world radio premiere this week

11:09 Speaker 11: is on My Way from our friend Hope the Rapper.

11:12 Speaker 11: This is week nine of our ten weeks of new

11:17 Speaker 11: Hope the Rapper singles Week nine, so we'll have one

11:20 Speaker 11: more next week.

11:20 Speaker 4: But really I've loved every one of them.

11:23 Speaker 11: Absolutely, absolutely, very very talented guy, and I love his

11:26 Speaker 11: positivity and love. You know, it's been great featuring all

11:30 Speaker 11: these new tracks, a new one every week. I can't

11:33 Speaker 11: believe next week is the tenth week, I know, but yeah,

11:36 Speaker 11: So lots going on and coming up in the third

11:39 Speaker 11: hour today, we're going to be joining studio and I

11:40 Speaker 11: think he's bringing a couple of fellow musicians with him,

11:43 Speaker 11: Grizzy Hendrix, who I believe hosts a radio show or

11:46 Speaker 11: a podcast of his own. Yes, that we'll be talking about.

11:49 Speaker 4: Yes, we're going to be talking about their show.

11:51 Speaker 11: Getting to learn about all that. So looking forward to that.

11:53 Speaker 11: We will say hello to everybody in the chat room.

11:56 Speaker 11: And we're now also streaming on I figured out how

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12:01 Speaker 11: these I'm able to see all the different chat comments

12:05 Speaker 11: coming from different places, all in one place here on

12:09 Speaker 11: this tab I've opened, So these might be coming from

12:13 Speaker 11: different places, but hello to everybody. Of course, we have

12:15 Speaker 11: beepen Art in the chat room, good morning, and Carol's

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12:22 Speaker 11: Day to Attend we mentioned is in there earlier. And

12:24 Speaker 11: Tom Siracusa complimenting me on my shirt if you're just

12:27 Speaker 11: joining us a very comfortable shirt, broadly wearing my Day

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12:31 Speaker 4: Yes, I know this because I've already worn mine.

12:33 Speaker 11: Yes, yes, Let's see Sepsis is in the Facebook live chat.

12:38 Speaker 4: Hello, good morning sunshine.

12:41 Speaker 11: Let's see we have Miriam Banish of course says good morning.

12:44 Speaker 4: Hello.

12:46 Speaker 11: I did see Eleanor from of course the Midnight Creatives

12:50 Speaker 11: Collective and mus Underground joins us in the Facebook live chat. Yes,

12:54 Speaker 11: like as I mentioned, we had Eleanor here with us

12:56 Speaker 11: last week. Let's see Jeff Richards is in the from

13:00 Speaker 11: Day to Attend. Hello. Let's see Archie Webster joins us

13:05 Speaker 11: and says, now, this is interesting, Archie Webster, that's a

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13:11 Speaker 4: Don't read it.

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13:13 Speaker 11: I love it so much. Archie Webster says, good morning,

13:16 Speaker 11: Matt Connorton and Jen Coffee. We say, how are you doing?

13:20 Speaker 11: You both from us?

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13:26 Speaker 4: You doing from us?

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13:42 Speaker 4: Alright, good morning Vermont.

13:47 Speaker 11: Eric Street joins us in the Facebook live chat. Hello Eric,

13:50 Speaker 11: good morning. Eric says, it seems like this is.

13:53 Speaker 4: A mirror I see.

13:57 Speaker 11: Eric says, it seems like there's been more COVID cases recently. Yeah,

14:00 Speaker 11: COVID is very much surging this summer. Uh, that's the

14:03 Speaker 11: bad news. The good news is the hospitalizations remain extremely low.

14:08 Speaker 11: So that's that's good. I mean, that's that's the key.

14:12 Speaker 12: But I've just received a message to remind you that

14:15 Speaker 12: we are also broadcasting on Tomorrow radio in Ireland. Oh, yes, yeah,

14:19 Speaker 12: thank you for the reminder, Andrew.

14:21 Speaker 4: You are correct.

14:22 Speaker 11: Eric Street says it seems like yes. J Fed says,

14:27 Speaker 11: good morning everyone. Hello, Jfed Hans Smith, of course, from

14:32 Speaker 11: the band Stepsis.

14:33 Speaker 4: Hello, morning morning, I could have worn I saw Vermont

14:39 Speaker 4: in there. Yeah, yeah, there he is. Did you already

14:43 Speaker 4: say that?

14:43 Speaker 11: Yes, I just did. Tattoo Babies says morning. Hello. She's

14:48 Speaker 11: the uh the cover model for Grimrock. Let's see. I

14:54 Speaker 11: just want to make sure we don't miss anybody in here,

14:56 Speaker 11: because it's very busy in there this morning, very very busy.

15:00 Speaker 11: All right, very good. I think we got everybody. If

15:02 Speaker 11: I miss you, I apologize. Journey, you know, we like to, uh,

15:09 Speaker 11: we like.

15:10 Speaker 4: To take a journey.

15:11 Speaker 11: We like to talk about these uh interesting things. This,

15:15 Speaker 11: this drama in the music industry and Journey has proven

15:18 Speaker 11: to be I'm fascinated by by something if you haven't

15:25 Speaker 11: followed it, Journey of course, these these bandmates in Journey,

15:28 Speaker 11: you know, you can't blame Steve Perry really for all

15:31 Speaker 11: these years of not wanting to go back. I can

15:33 Speaker 11: understand why the title of it, yeah that while Billboard

15:37 Speaker 11: has a new article up, don't stop litigating, do stop?

15:42 Speaker 11: Journey bandmates are battling in court yet again. What has

15:45 Speaker 11: always fascinated me about bands that don't get along and

15:50 Speaker 11: they have all this acrimony and even in some instances,

15:54 Speaker 11: you know, suing each other while they're in a band together.

15:57 Speaker 11: I've always been fascinated by the dynamics of that and

15:59 Speaker 11: how weird it must be to be in a band

16:03 Speaker 11: and have issues with other band members to the point

16:07 Speaker 11: where you're suing each other and yet still be able

16:09 Speaker 11: to go on stage and play with them. That's always

16:14 Speaker 11: fascinating to me.

16:15 Speaker 12: It's an odd dynamic because how do you do that

16:19 Speaker 12: and not bash each other with the guitars or something.

16:22 Speaker 11: Well, and and you know, there have been instances. I mean, geez,

16:24 Speaker 11: you can find YouTube compilations of bands getting into fights

16:29 Speaker 11: on stage, and.

16:30 Speaker 12: Like, what, what's a good one? I can't think of

16:34 Speaker 12: somebody getting into a fight one.

16:36 Speaker 11: Marilyn Manson and there's a YouTube video of him kicking

16:40 Speaker 11: John five. This is from quite a few years ago,

16:43 Speaker 11: and they're good now, but.

16:44 Speaker 4: On stage he kicked him.

16:45 Speaker 11: He kicked John five. No, no, but but kicked him.

16:50 Speaker 11: And then you see John five like throw down his

16:53 Speaker 11: guitar and he's gonna fight him.

16:55 Speaker 4: And oh, geez, yeah, they really had.

16:57 Speaker 11: That's that's one example. There's of course, a famous I

17:01 Speaker 11: need to go on.

17:02 Speaker 4: And exploratory now, I want to see these videos.

17:04 Speaker 11: There's a famous example of and there's no video of this,

17:07 Speaker 11: there's only audio, and I think the audio it's hard

17:09 Speaker 11: to hear. But there's a famous example of the Eagles

17:14 Speaker 11: where they almost came to well, they were threatening each other,

17:17 Speaker 11: like Don Felder and Glenn Fry kept threatening that you

17:20 Speaker 11: know after the set, you know we're gonna fight between songs,

17:24 Speaker 11: you know, sniping at each other, that kind of thing.

17:29 Speaker 4: So but this, this is I mean, I feel like

17:32 Speaker 4: this good reason on this one.

17:34 Speaker 11: Well, but what's always interested me about this is and

17:38 Speaker 11: I remember when I first became sort of fascinated by

17:41 Speaker 11: that dynamic. And it was before I even started playing

17:43 Speaker 11: in bands myself. And you know, when you play in

17:44 Speaker 11: a band, you know, sometimes you have conflict. And although rarely,

17:47 Speaker 11: most most of the bands I played in were pretty

17:49 Speaker 11: free of inter band drama. But when I was like,

17:52 Speaker 11: and my dad, you know, he listens to the show,

17:53 Speaker 11: he might remember this. When I was a kid, I

17:56 Speaker 11: watched a documentary with my dad and I don't remember

18:01 Speaker 11: if it was a documentary specifically about Brian Brian Adam

18:06 Speaker 11: No from the Beach Boys, Brian Wilson. I don't remember

18:11 Speaker 11: if it was specifically about Brian Wilson or if it

18:13 Speaker 11: was a broader documentary about the Beach Boys. But there

18:16 Speaker 11: was a point, and it was really when they were

18:18 Speaker 11: kind of at the height of their fame where they

18:22 Speaker 11: were touring and the group and obviously the Beach Boys,

18:25 Speaker 11: there's a bunch of members. They had kind of split

18:27 Speaker 11: into two factions and because they weren't getting along, like

18:32 Speaker 11: there was the Brian Wilson faction and the Mike Love faction.

18:37 Speaker 11: Didn't even know that, and they would actually enter the

18:39 Speaker 11: stage what it was time to play. They would enter

18:42 Speaker 11: the stage, both factions from opposite sides of the stage,

18:45 Speaker 11: so that they because they tried to keep apart, almost

18:48 Speaker 11: like two rival gangs, so they would keep apart, you know,

18:52 Speaker 11: before and after the show, but they would actually enter

18:56 Speaker 11: from opposite sides. And then of course they wouldn't interact

18:58 Speaker 11: at all except for playing these songs together.

19:00 Speaker 12: But I mean, just that's gonna be so bizarre to

19:02 Speaker 12: stand on a stage playing music.

19:04 Speaker 4: You would think, so you're together, but you're not. Well,

19:07 Speaker 4: how does that work?

19:07 Speaker 12: Do they just because they're not gonna play their guitars

19:09 Speaker 12: and lean into each other, right? Yeah, No, they like

19:12 Speaker 12: do they have like you know, you stay away one

19:14 Speaker 12: hundred feet from me on the stage. Yeah, don't cross

19:17 Speaker 12: this line. They're gonna take a piece of tape and

19:19 Speaker 12: like put it down the middle. This is my side.

19:22 Speaker 11: Yeah, it's so weird. And but I also wonder too

19:25 Speaker 11: about practical things like how do you even write a

19:28 Speaker 11: set list if if you can't even speak to each other,

19:31 Speaker 11: you know what I mean?

19:31 Speaker 4: They have an intermediary does that at work?

19:34 Speaker 11: Or there's probably one person who who is in charge

19:36 Speaker 11: with the.

19:37 Speaker 12: Legal pad of paper and he's going back and forth.

19:39 Speaker 12: We want to play these songs. Okay, I'll go to

19:40 Speaker 12: the other faction. Can you agree to these songs in

19:43 Speaker 12: this order? No, we need to move this and this

19:45 Speaker 12: and they go back.

19:47 Speaker 4: That's gotta be oh boy, Yeah, it's got to be

19:49 Speaker 4: very because we have like.

19:50 Speaker 12: Lawyers negotiating everything, and they have like documents on how

19:55 Speaker 12: what how the set is gonna run and how much

19:57 Speaker 12: time each one's gonna get.

20:00 Speaker 4: That's terrible. Yeah, and this is sad.

20:02 Speaker 12: It's like all these bands from when we were younger

20:06 Speaker 12: are like suing each other, you know what I mean,

20:09 Speaker 12: Like Darryl holl and John Oh, it's that's lawsuits, and

20:12 Speaker 12: Journey's got lawsuits and like everybody's.

20:16 Speaker 4: Against each other. But the weird ways.

20:18 Speaker 11: But the weird thing with Journey is some of this

20:21 Speaker 11: litigation that's been going on between Jonathan Kane and Neil

20:24 Speaker 11: Sean has been going on for years, Like they've been

20:29 Speaker 11: out on tours while there was active litigation between them,

20:33 Speaker 11: you know. So that's like, you know, that's a step

20:35 Speaker 11: further than just not getting along or not really speaking

20:37 Speaker 11: to each other much.

20:39 Speaker 12: But they have their they have themselves set up as

20:41 Speaker 12: a company with directors.

20:44 Speaker 11: Yeah, which which is which Steve Perry is still a

20:47 Speaker 11: part of by the way. Yeah. Oh and then there

20:49 Speaker 11: was that weird thing a few years ago where and

20:52 Speaker 11: this for this thing, I think Jonathan Kane and Neil

20:55 Speaker 11: Sean were on the same side where Ross Valerie and

20:59 Speaker 11: the other guy's name I can't remember now, Steve something.

21:04 Speaker 11: They actually they actually tried to take over the company.

21:08 Speaker 11: They tried to do some weird legal maneuvering where they

21:11 Speaker 11: were going to take over ownership of the company like

21:13 Speaker 11: a hostile bab the control's Journey. Yeah, and they ended

21:16 Speaker 11: up and that's why they ended up getting kicked out

21:18 Speaker 11: of the band was because they tried to take over,

21:21 Speaker 11: and I think Steve Perry even got involved again, he's

21:24 Speaker 11: not in the band, hasn't been for decades now for them,

21:28 Speaker 11: Arnelle Paneda, he's been in the band for a long time. Yeah,

21:32 Speaker 11: he's been in the band a long time now.

21:34 Speaker 12: But okay, so let's get into some meat. Showan Is

21:40 Speaker 12: was sued by Cain because he said Caine says, you

21:46 Speaker 12: unfairly blocked me from the company's American Express account. But

21:51 Speaker 12: Shon is saying, yeah, but I did that because you're

21:54 Speaker 12: using it, you're misusing it, and you're using money to

21:57 Speaker 12: pay for like you in your wife's hotel room. So

22:00 Speaker 12: this it's always the money. It's always the money. It's

22:04 Speaker 12: always the money. But Kane is claiming that showan has

22:08 Speaker 12: spent up to ten thousand dollars per night for hotel

22:14 Speaker 12: rooms during their most recent tour.

22:17 Speaker 4: Ten thousand dollars a night. Where are you staying? Where

22:22 Speaker 4: in the heck are you staying?

22:24 Speaker 11: This journey? They're famous?

22:25 Speaker 12: Oh my god, like you could you could rent a

22:28 Speaker 12: home for somebody for a year for one night stay

22:31 Speaker 12: in this hotel.

22:32 Speaker 4: It's insane. Who spends Why?

22:36 Speaker 12: Why do you spend ten grand on a hotel room,

22:38 Speaker 12: why you're gonna you're barely going to be in it.

22:41 Speaker 11: I mean, if it was somebody like Motley Crue, you

22:43 Speaker 11: know back in the day, you would you would figure, well,

22:45 Speaker 11: they probably wreck everything, and they did.

22:46 Speaker 12: That's why they needed ten thousand for a night though,

22:49 Speaker 12: because they had to replace hotel.

22:51 Speaker 11: But I don't think Jonathan Kane is throwing a couch

22:53 Speaker 11: out a window.

22:54 Speaker 12: Sounds like he's being exorbitant in a spending Yeah you know,

22:59 Speaker 12: so Kane shown each control exactly fifty percent.

23:03 Speaker 4: Of the company.

23:04 Speaker 12: Yeah, so which is you've got You've got heads just

23:08 Speaker 12: solid into each other.

23:09 Speaker 11: Which is not the same as ownership. We should we

23:11 Speaker 11: should clarify.

23:12 Speaker 4: That control versus ownership is different.

23:14 Speaker 11: Right right, because, like I said, Steve Perry still owns

23:17 Speaker 11: I don't know the guys who are cast out of

23:19 Speaker 11: the band. I don't know if they still own part

23:21 Speaker 11: of the company as well. Like I said, they tried

23:24 Speaker 11: to take control of it and it got them fired

23:26 Speaker 11: from the band. But that doesn't mean they don't still

23:28 Speaker 11: own stakes in the company. But yes, Neil Sean and

23:31 Speaker 11: Jonathan Kane, and by the way, for it.

23:33 Speaker 4: Give me any number of people with stakes in the company.

23:35 Speaker 12: I mean, yeah, it's not even limited to the band

23:37 Speaker 12: members themselves.

23:38 Speaker 11: And for those who don't know, Neil Sean of course

23:40 Speaker 11: is a guitar player, and Jonathan Kane is the keyboard

23:43 Speaker 11: player who occasionally plays guitar on some songs that don't

23:46 Speaker 11: have keyboard, like a Stone in Love for example.

23:50 Speaker 4: They're there.

23:50 Speaker 12: It's like they're going head to head. So another one

23:53 Speaker 12: of the issues that these guys are doing is one

23:55 Speaker 12: of them will fire somebody and then maybe a few

23:58 Speaker 12: hours or days later, the other no one will we

24:00 Speaker 12: hire the same person that got fired.

24:03 Speaker 11: Yeah, so you got one.

24:04 Speaker 12: Director goes, I can't stand you, get out, and then

24:07 Speaker 12: like two days later, the other one goes, come back,

24:10 Speaker 12: come back.

24:10 Speaker 11: Well, here's what this is.

24:12 Speaker 4: It's like it's it's like tip for tat, I'm gonna

24:15 Speaker 4: get you.

24:16 Speaker 11: This is you know, Yeah, it's not. It's no way

24:19 Speaker 11: to run a business.

24:20 Speaker 12: No, this is terrible. I mean and I can't even

24:22 Speaker 12: imagine me. Can you imagine being an employee? If one

24:26 Speaker 12: you get to worry, if one director doesn't like you,

24:29 Speaker 12: they might toss you. You get a stay in somebody's

24:31 Speaker 12: good side, to stay in the company.

24:34 Speaker 11: Well. This is from Billboard dot Com. It says never any.

24:37 Speaker 11: Legal battle between Journey members Jonathan Kane and Neil Sean

24:40 Speaker 11: erupted again this week, with Kane filing a new lawsuit

24:43 Speaker 11: against Sean overclaims that is exorbitant spending is threatening to

24:46 Speaker 11: cripple the band's touring operations, and a complaint made public

24:50 Speaker 11: and Delaware Court on Tuesday, July thirtieth. Kane claimed that

24:54 Speaker 11: Shawn's alleged spending, including unilaterally chartering private jets and charging

24:59 Speaker 11: personal expenses their shared American Express card, has led to

25:02 Speaker 11: a deadlock that must be resolved Caine's lawyer's right quote.

25:08 Speaker 11: The deadlock between the company's directors is now interfering with

25:12 Speaker 11: the company's ability to take even the most basic actions

25:14 Speaker 11: and is causing significant disruptions in the smooth operation of

25:18 Speaker 11: the company. The problems posed a severe threat of harm

25:22 Speaker 11: to the company and to Journey's storied history of musical greatness. Unquote.

25:28 Speaker 11: Legal battles are nothing new for Sean and Kin, the

25:30 Speaker 11: two remaining members of an iconic rock band that still

25:34 Speaker 11: is printing money money decades after its Don't Stop Believe

25:37 Speaker 11: in Heyday Back in twenty twenty two, Sean sued Caine

25:40 Speaker 11: over allegations that his bandmate had unfairly blocked his access

25:45 Speaker 11: to the American Express account, interfering with the band's activities

25:48 Speaker 11: and delaying payments to crew members and vendors. A few

25:51 Speaker 11: months later, Caine sued him back, claiming he had placed

25:54 Speaker 11: those restrictions on the AMEX to stop Sean from misusing

25:58 Speaker 11: the company card, including spent ian four hundred thousand dollars

26:01 Speaker 11: in a single month. So they both accuse each other

26:04 Speaker 11: of overspending. The new case, filed in Delaware's Clansery Court,

26:10 Speaker 11: largely rehashes those same disagreements over spending, like Cain claiming

26:14 Speaker 11: that Sean has quote spent up to ten thousand dollars

26:17 Speaker 11: per night for hotel rooms for him and his wife

26:21 Speaker 11: unquote during their most recent tour. But in technical terms,

26:26 Speaker 11: the new case focuses narrowly on the governance of Freedom

26:29 Speaker 11: twenty twenty Inc, a Delaware based corporate entity's that they

26:34 Speaker 11: created to operate journeys touring. Since Cain and Sean each

26:38 Speaker 11: control exactly fifty percent of the company, the lawsuit says

26:42 Speaker 11: the two have reached an impasse that is spilled into

26:45 Speaker 11: other aspects of the band's operations, like managing their staffers.

26:52 Speaker 11: By the way, the reason this company exists to begin

26:57 Speaker 11: with this Freedom twenty twenty inc Is because a parent

27:01 Speaker 11: a number of years ago. This, if I'm remembering this correctly,

27:05 Speaker 11: this is what I've read because I've tried to follow

27:07 Speaker 11: all the Journey drama as much as possible, and I

27:09 Speaker 11: am a fan, you know, but uh, a number of

27:15 Speaker 11: years ago, Neil Sean and his wife started looking into Uh,

27:23 Speaker 11: they started looking more closely at journeys of financial operations

27:27 Speaker 11: as a band from a business standpoint, because they had

27:30 Speaker 11: a manager and they felt like the manager. Not that

27:34 Speaker 11: I don't think this was a case of the manager.

27:36 Speaker 11: You know, you hear about this a lot in the

27:38 Speaker 11: music industry. You know, a manager stealing or or somebody

27:41 Speaker 11: is ripping off the band, or you know, or a

27:43 Speaker 11: band suing their record label because they feel like their

27:46 Speaker 11: record label is stealing from them. There's a lot of

27:47 Speaker 11: horror stories. But this was a case of they just uh,

27:53 Speaker 11: they started to when they looked into things. Neil Sewan

27:55 Speaker 11: and his wife felt like Journey was getting a raw deal.

27:58 Speaker 11: You know, they were playing thesees and but they didn't

28:02 Speaker 11: seem to be making that much money, and they didn't

28:03 Speaker 11: understand where the money was going, what was happening in

28:05 Speaker 11: to their profits and whatnot. So they I think they

28:09 Speaker 11: just basically fired their entire management team at the time

28:12 Speaker 11: and said, we're going to run everything ourselves. Other artists

28:16 Speaker 11: have tried to do that. It's hard to do at

28:18 Speaker 11: that level. Years ago, I saw a documentary about back

28:24 Speaker 11: in the nineties when Duran Duran tried to do it.

28:27 Speaker 11: They actually tried to. They fired their their management team

28:30 Speaker 11: and said, We're just going to do everything ourselves. We

28:32 Speaker 11: can do everything ourselves. Why are we paying out all

28:34 Speaker 11: this money?

28:35 Speaker 4: And oh yeah, they did that.

28:38 Speaker 11: They well they did. You might not have known because

28:40 Speaker 11: unless you happen to see this particular documentary, because it

28:43 Speaker 11: didn't last long. They did it, They tried it, and

28:47 Speaker 11: they said, oh my god, we are in so far

28:49 Speaker 11: over our heads. We cannot run this band this way.

28:53 Speaker 11: So then they undid you know, they hired a new

28:56 Speaker 11: management team and everything, and they said never again. Kiss

29:01 Speaker 11: During the eighties, for for a long period of time,

29:04 Speaker 11: they didn't have a manager per se. They had their

29:08 Speaker 11: the accounting firm they were working with Glickman Marx was

29:12 Speaker 11: kind of their kind of their managers and that they

29:15 Speaker 11: they you know, kind of ran the business of Kiss.

29:19 Speaker 11: But Kiss was essentially self managed actually at a couple

29:25 Speaker 11: of points during their career, and they managed to pull

29:27 Speaker 11: it off.

29:30 Speaker 4: Jean's are real business minded guy though, like.

29:32 Speaker 11: Well, and so is Paul Stanley and they yeah, and

29:35 Speaker 11: they they managed, they got away.

29:37 Speaker 4: They've always treated it like a business. Yes, that's a

29:41 Speaker 4: big well, that's the thing.

29:42 Speaker 12: And they also don't have as much I mean, yeah,

29:45 Speaker 12: there was some alcohol, but they didn't have like that

29:48 Speaker 12: as a as a bigger issue. And Paul right, yeah,

29:52 Speaker 12: whereas other bands of that era, it was all of

29:54 Speaker 12: the band was doing that, right. These guys kept their

29:57 Speaker 12: heads on straight the whole time. Oh yeah, and we're

29:59 Speaker 12: all always treating it like a business.

30:02 Speaker 11: Right Yeah, Like all this stuff with Journey, you cannot

30:06 Speaker 11: imagine this happening and Kiss, anything like this would would

30:09 Speaker 11: never happen in Kiss. So again, this is from Billboard

30:15 Speaker 11: dot Com. In technical terms, the new case focus is narrowly.

30:21 Speaker 11: Oh I'm sorry I read that part already. Let me

30:23 Speaker 11: go down here. So Cain's lawyer, this is what Jonathan

30:29 Speaker 11: Kaine's lawyers say in the lawsuit, quote, Petitioner and respond

30:33 Speaker 11: and are deadlocked with regard to issues concerning the hiring

30:37 Speaker 11: and firing of company employees and band crew members. It

30:41 Speaker 11: is common that one director will terminate an employee or

30:44 Speaker 11: crew member, and hours or days later, the other director

30:48 Speaker 11: will rehire that same individual unquote. As you mentioned earlier,

30:53 Speaker 11: the lawsuit claims the strife between Cain and Shawn has

30:55 Speaker 11: also led to other problems, including disagreements about whether to

30:57 Speaker 11: accept an advance from AEG for their most recent tour,

31:03 Speaker 11: the purchase of cancelation insurance, and other problems. Caine's lawyer's

31:08 Speaker 11: right quote. The deadlock between petitioner and respondent has created

31:11 Speaker 11: a toxic internal environment. Rather than focusing on the band's

31:15 Speaker 11: performances during a major international tour, the band's members and

31:19 Speaker 11: crew now find themselves caught in the middle of the

31:21 Speaker 11: director's disputes, afraid of performing their job responsibilities, and pressured

31:26 Speaker 11: to align with one director or another unquote.

31:30 Speaker 4: That's horrible work environment. Oh yeah, the music can't imagine.

31:35 Speaker 11: The music industry is hard enough without all this talk.

31:37 Speaker 4: About hiding from your bosses.

31:38 Speaker 11: Oh yeah, get in the bathroom, they're coming well, or

31:42 Speaker 11: hiding from one of them.

31:43 Speaker 4: Exactly, from both of them. I feel like I just

31:46 Speaker 4: don't want to be in the middle of any of this.

31:48 Speaker 11: I think in this say, in this situation, probably some

31:50 Speaker 11: of them they hide from whichever one fired them and

31:53 Speaker 11: try and try to stay close to whichever one.

31:55 Speaker 4: Really doesn't see me.

31:57 Speaker 11: You wote no I got brought back? Yeah, exactly. It

32:02 Speaker 11: says here as a solution, Ken is asking the court

32:04 Speaker 11: to appoint a neutral third director of the company who

32:07 Speaker 11: will be able to issue the tie breaking vote during

32:10 Speaker 11: disputes over key issues. Well, what they're like.

32:12 Speaker 4: Divorced parents fighting over their children.

32:14 Speaker 11: Well, what they need is a manager. See it sounds

32:17 Speaker 11: like they don't need.

32:18 Speaker 12: A third person to be well, they're supposed to have

32:20 Speaker 12: a third person, but it doesn't really.

32:21 Speaker 4: Go into the much.

32:22 Speaker 11: Yeah. Well it sounds like.

32:23 Speaker 4: Oh the cour Oh whoats because I jumped ahead.

32:26 Speaker 11: It sounds like they don't have a manager either, right,

32:29 Speaker 11: So they're they're just they're running everything themselves.

32:32 Speaker 4: I think there's managers to a point.

32:35 Speaker 11: Well, because part of what a manager of a band

32:37 Speaker 11: does is say, you know, like, if there's a dispute

32:39 Speaker 11: like this, the manager says, look, we're going to do this.

32:42 Speaker 11: You know, you guys hired me to run this band.

32:44 Speaker 11: Here's what we're gonna do.

32:45 Speaker 12: Kine is asking the court to appoint a third director

32:50 Speaker 12: who could be a neutral director that could issue a

32:52 Speaker 12: tie breaking vote on all of these issues, because you

32:56 Speaker 12: it's divorced.

32:57 Speaker 4: It's like divorced parents fighting over the kids.

32:59 Speaker 12: And yeah, that's that's you get these two equal in ownership,

33:04 Speaker 12: I mean equal indecision making right fifty to fifty directors and.

33:09 Speaker 4: They don't agree.

33:10 Speaker 12: And they not only did they not agree, they set

33:13 Speaker 12: out to go against the other one. Oh you fired

33:15 Speaker 12: so and so I'm gonna bring them back.

33:17 Speaker 11: Yeah, so this.

33:18 Speaker 4: Is Yeah, they're good.

33:20 Speaker 12: It's it's it's sad that it's sad to see all

33:26 Speaker 12: this happening. But I mean, you look at some of

33:28 Speaker 12: the stuff he's reporting. Kane is claiming he put the

33:34 Speaker 12: restrictions on the.

33:34 Speaker 4: Card because he's the other guy. Sorry, Sean. Sean spent

33:41 Speaker 4: four hundred thousand dollars on the American Express card in

33:45 Speaker 4: one month. One month.

33:49 Speaker 12: Yeah, I think I could live off of that much

33:51 Speaker 12: money for the rest of my life.

33:53 Speaker 4: And he spent that one month.

33:55 Speaker 11: Yeah, that's crazy.

33:57 Speaker 4: And American expresses. The one that you got to pay

33:59 Speaker 4: off everything next month. You can't carry a balance on

34:02 Speaker 4: that sucker.

34:03 Speaker 12: The one dude does four hundred thousand, and everybody else

34:06 Speaker 12: is even just using it reasonably like they're supposed to.

34:09 Speaker 4: That's a heck of a month filled the way. Jeez,

34:13 Speaker 4: buy a house, buy a couple of houses.

34:15 Speaker 11: Yeah, you can do a whole lot. That's crazy, says

34:20 Speaker 11: In a statement to Billboard, Kane's attorney, said Libisman Leibsman,

34:24 Speaker 11: stressed that his client was not seeking damages and only

34:26 Speaker 11: wanted to resolve the impasse. Quote. It is expected that

34:29 Speaker 11: the third director will provide resolution to the issues between

34:32 Speaker 11: John and Neil. It is John's intent for Journey to

34:35 Speaker 11: continue providing great live music throughout the current tour. Unquote.

34:39 Speaker 11: An attorney who was who has represented Sean in his

34:42 Speaker 11: previous litigation with Kin, did not return a request for comment. Okay,

34:46 Speaker 11: and then it gets to what I was talking about earlier,

34:48 Speaker 11: it says here. Even before Sean and Kin came to blows,

34:51 Speaker 11: members of Journey had been sparring in court for years.

34:54 Speaker 11: Back in twenty twenty, the two men teamed up to

34:57 Speaker 11: file a lawsuit against former drummers Smith Steven Smith, that's right,

35:02 Speaker 11: he's I couldn't remember his last name, and former bassist

35:04 Speaker 11: Ross Valerie over the band's name, and in twenty twenty two,

35:09 Speaker 11: former lead singer Steve Perry took legal action to help

35:12 Speaker 11: Sean and Kane from registering Oh I'm sorry to stop,

35:16 Speaker 11: rather not to help, but to stop Sean and Kane

35:19 Speaker 11: from registering federal trademarks on the names of many of

35:22 Speaker 11: the band's biggest hits. Yeah, I remember that. That was

35:25 Speaker 11: interesting too, Yeah, because part of what when Neil Shawn

35:30 Speaker 11: and his wife started looking into things, part of what

35:33 Speaker 11: they realized was that, you know, somebody could, for example,

35:39 Speaker 11: make a T shirt that says don't Stop Believing on it,

35:42 Speaker 11: and you know, well, why aren't we making that money

35:45 Speaker 11: when people here don't stop believing they think of our song?

35:49 Speaker 11: You know, we should register these trademarks. And and you know,

35:53 Speaker 11: Steve Perry's going, wait a minute, I wrote those lyrics.

35:57 Speaker 11: Why do you get to trademark that? You know, so

36:00 Speaker 11: he actually helped prevent them from doing that.

36:02 Speaker 4: Why wasn't it done under the company like it makes me?

36:07 Speaker 4: I get what they're.

36:07 Speaker 11: Saying, Well, it probably was, but but Steve Perry said, Nope,

36:12 Speaker 11: you're not doing that.

36:13 Speaker 12: Well, I don't blame him. Don't blame him like you said,

36:16 Speaker 12: he's still has ownership. Yeah, he may not be in

36:19 Speaker 12: the decision room, which it sounds like it's not a

36:21 Speaker 12: fun place to be.

36:22 Speaker 4: Anyway, Right, I wouldn't blame him one bit.

36:25 Speaker 12: Yeah, it's awful how these bands have have devolved into this,

36:32 Speaker 12: you know what I'm saying, Like, Yeah, I mean when

36:36 Speaker 12: I can think about when I was a kid and

36:38 Speaker 12: they look so fun and happy, Like what happened to you?

36:41 Speaker 4: Guys?

36:42 Speaker 12: You're fun and happy. Now they're sueing each other. Although

36:45 Speaker 12: I can't blame them all right, I'm sorry. If we

36:47 Speaker 12: had a business and all of a sudden you're looking

36:49 Speaker 12: at a four hundred thousand dollars bill on one of

36:52 Speaker 12: your charge guards by one person in the business, I'd

36:57 Speaker 12: lose my mind.

36:58 Speaker 11: Yeah.

36:59 Speaker 12: I can't even am seeing a bill like that and

37:01 Speaker 12: not losing your mind. And what is the other guy thinking?

37:06 Speaker 12: Is he going like I deserve this? So I'm just

37:08 Speaker 12: gonna keep pulling this card out like I deserve this.

37:12 Speaker 12: I mean, you got to tell yourself something to talk

37:14 Speaker 12: yourself into making it sane. To rent a ten thousand dollars.

37:20 Speaker 11: I disagree. I don't think you have to talk yourself

37:22 Speaker 11: into anything at that point when you're that rich and

37:25 Speaker 11: you're that famous. I think something happens psychologically where no,

37:30 Speaker 11: I don't think they. I think that's the problem. They

37:32 Speaker 11: don't have to talk themselves into anything. And a lot

37:36 Speaker 11: of famous people, people who've been very wealthy, who then

37:40 Speaker 11: they go through a thing where they have it and

37:41 Speaker 11: then they lose it all they talk about this how

37:44 Speaker 11: at the height of their fame and wealth, they just

37:47 Speaker 11: kind of assume, they get into this mindset where they

37:50 Speaker 11: just assume it's going to be that way forever. They're

37:52 Speaker 11: gonna be super famous forever, the money's going to be

37:55 Speaker 11: coming in forever, so they can spend as much as

37:57 Speaker 11: they want to and never have to worry about it,

37:59 Speaker 11: and it just be comes a thing. And in Journeys case,

38:04 Speaker 11: not not that I'm justifying it, but you can almost

38:07 Speaker 11: see where because here, here Journey, you have a band

38:10 Speaker 11: that was at the the their peak in the eighties

38:15 Speaker 11: but has actually still managed to I mean, you know,

38:19 Speaker 11: haven't had a hit song in decades, but they still

38:22 Speaker 11: loves and they still do so much business touring. They

38:26 Speaker 11: can still tour arenas and and still make so much money.

38:30 Speaker 11: And that's really where the money is anyway, That and

38:32 Speaker 11: merchandising and and so. In their case the money actually

38:36 Speaker 11: has never stopped coming.

38:38 Speaker 12: So, but this is a grotesque greed that's involved in that.

38:42 Speaker 12: I'm sorry because I mean, I can't I if I

38:45 Speaker 12: had all of this, I won the lottery, I have

38:47 Speaker 12: money now. I still I wouldn't want to go buy

38:50 Speaker 12: a ginormous frickin' mansion that costs the fortune to run

38:54 Speaker 12: and takes incredible amounts of work to clean. I'd want

38:58 Speaker 12: a nice, little small place that has a little garden,

39:01 Speaker 12: makes me happy and money in the bank to sustain

39:04 Speaker 12: me for the rest of my days. I just I

39:08 Speaker 12: always I'm always in It's always mind boggling when you

39:11 Speaker 12: look at some of these people and it's like, why

39:13 Speaker 12: did you buy that ginormous house for two people?

39:18 Speaker 4: How does that work? Why is that worth it?

39:21 Speaker 12: Why is it worth it to have a five hundred

39:23 Speaker 12: dollars electric bill, And you know, I imagine a three hundred

39:27 Speaker 12: dollars gas bill. I mean, I can't imagine how much

39:29 Speaker 12: it costs just to run the house itself. Now, how

39:33 Speaker 12: much work does it take to upkeep it, clean it,

39:36 Speaker 12: to paint, to fix it. I mean, I watch my

39:39 Speaker 12: dad upkeep his house, and he's meticulous. This house is gorgeous,

39:43 Speaker 12: but he works his bum off all the time, every week,

39:47 Speaker 12: every year, every month to keep that house looking that way.

39:50 Speaker 12: It takes work to keep it that way. It doesn't

39:53 Speaker 12: just magically stay that way. These guys get this money

39:56 Speaker 12: and they buy these monstrosities of homes. And I've got

40:01 Speaker 12: ten cars, Why you could only drive one at a time.

40:04 Speaker 4: Why?

40:05 Speaker 11: Yeah?

40:05 Speaker 12: Why is it that when you get some money in

40:08 Speaker 12: your hands, all of a sudden, there's this grotesque greed, right,

40:11 Speaker 12: and you forget all of the decency that you used

40:14 Speaker 12: to be, or the decent things you used to say,

40:17 Speaker 12: or the things you used to Oh gee, I wish

40:19 Speaker 12: I could do this, or do you wish I could

40:20 Speaker 12: help that one?

40:22 Speaker 4: But then the minute the money gets into the hand,

40:23 Speaker 4: it's like you forget all of that, right. But these yeah,

40:27 Speaker 4: something happens.

40:28 Speaker 12: I think you're right, something happens to these people's brains

40:30 Speaker 12: that they think, well, since I always have this, I

40:33 Speaker 12: should I must own a four million dollar ginormous home

40:39 Speaker 12: that I only live in two rooms of because really,

40:43 Speaker 12: you can't enjoy a house that.

40:45 Speaker 4: How do you enjoy a house that being a one person?

40:47 Speaker 11: I come on, I think it's probably for people it's

40:51 Speaker 11: just all about status. It's ego showing off an ego.

40:54 Speaker 11: And I know everyone says this, but I really do

40:59 Speaker 11: think it's It's true in my case and in yours too.

41:03 Speaker 11: But yeah, if I if I had that kind of money,

41:06 Speaker 11: that's not where I would put it because I'm something

41:09 Speaker 11: of a minimalist, Like I don't want Like, there's nothing

41:12 Speaker 11: about the idea of living in a mansion with rooms

41:15 Speaker 11: I don't even use just to have it. There's nothing

41:19 Speaker 11: about that that appeals to me. No, there's nothing about

41:23 Speaker 11: it that appeals to me.

41:24 Speaker 12: Of course my brain goes to, you know, how much

41:27 Speaker 12: upkeep that is? But yeah, but plus I like small

41:29 Speaker 12: and cozy.

41:30 Speaker 11: But I think I think most people though it is.

41:32 Speaker 11: It is strange and it's something I've noticed from what

41:34 Speaker 11: I realized this from a pretty young age. Most people,

41:37 Speaker 11: if you talk to them about about, uh, what it

41:41 Speaker 11: would be like to be rich, they do they They

41:44 Speaker 11: will tell you, oh, yeah, I'd have ten cars and

41:47 Speaker 11: a mansion. And it's like, really, you wouldn't. You wouldn't,

41:51 Speaker 11: that's what you would do. Like I do think there's

41:54 Speaker 11: something in the human condition where most people I think

41:56 Speaker 11: we're the odd ones. I think I think most people, Yeah,

41:59 Speaker 11: that's what they think about.

42:00 Speaker 12: And it's like, why, but I only need to drive

42:03 Speaker 12: one car at a time. I could take two cars

42:05 Speaker 12: to be quite content, and take the other eight cars

42:09 Speaker 12: and go feed like an entire freaking school system. There's

42:13 Speaker 12: so much you could do with that crazy amount of money. Yeah,

42:16 Speaker 12: you know what I mean that I can't. It's like

42:19 Speaker 12: people who spend thousands of dollars on these red bottom shoes.

42:23 Speaker 12: I can't understand it to me because to spend thousands

42:25 Speaker 12: of dollars on a pair of shoes, to me sounds

42:28 Speaker 12: like grotesque greed, Like I don't need a decent pair

42:32 Speaker 12: of shoes, doesn't cost that much because I grew up though,

42:37 Speaker 12: I grew up with a dad that taught me the

42:38 Speaker 12: value of a dollar, you know, so you know you

42:41 Speaker 12: didn't take anything for granted if you got a pair.

42:43 Speaker 12: When I got to go to the shoes store and

42:45 Speaker 12: I got to come home with two or three pairs

42:47 Speaker 12: of shoes, that was a big deal to get two

42:50 Speaker 12: pairs or to get three pairs. That was a big deal.

42:52 Speaker 12: That was that was money. And for us, you know,

42:55 Speaker 12: it's not a pair of shoes, but ooh, I got

42:57 Speaker 12: your dress shoes and sneakers like that was a big deal.

43:00 Speaker 4: To be able to do that. I can't imagine. I

43:04 Speaker 4: don't know. I guess. Yeah, maybe we are the oddballs.

43:06 Speaker 12: It's just it takes very little to make me happy.

43:09 Speaker 12: And I can't imagine wasting so much money when there's

43:13 Speaker 12: so much in the world that you could do to

43:15 Speaker 12: make I make.

43:16 Speaker 4: How many lives could you save with one car?

43:21 Speaker 11: Hello?

43:21 Speaker 4: Hello, is this the mat? Oh?

43:26 Speaker 11: My goodness, is this John C. Hopwood?

43:30 Speaker 13: Yeah, I'm listening to your conversation. I don't know how

43:36 Speaker 13: old was Journey when they made it big. What was

43:39 Speaker 13: the average age?

43:41 Speaker 4: They were pretty young, weren't they.

43:42 Speaker 11: Yeah, they had to be pretty young. I'm gonna guess

43:44 Speaker 11: and say, I'm gonna guess in say twenty five.

43:49 Speaker 13: Yeah, I think there's a big difference. Richard Barrett and

43:52 Speaker 13: always said there's a big difference becoming really famous when

43:55 Speaker 13: you're very young, like Elizabeth Taylor and Marin the brand though,

43:58 Speaker 13: where it was almost when he became famous and rich.

44:02 Speaker 13: You know, you're immature, right, and so you buy your toys.

44:07 Speaker 13: But with the Beatles, who you know, very young when

44:10 Speaker 13: they got rich, both stay houses and everything were tacked

44:13 Speaker 13: right off. So I just thought i'd brought that. Bring

44:16 Speaker 13: that up, great show, Good miss you take care.

44:20 Speaker 11: All right, thanks for the call time. I appreciate it.

44:22 Speaker 11: By bye o those guys. We haven't heard from John

44:25 Speaker 11: and Along.

44:25 Speaker 4: I know, yeah, is he on the other side of

44:28 Speaker 4: the world.

44:28 Speaker 11: Now, I'm not sure. He sounded like he was on

44:31 Speaker 11: a train or something. It's very loud. No, it was

44:33 Speaker 11: nice to hear from him though. Yeah.

44:36 Speaker 12: Uh.

44:36 Speaker 11: I wonder, you know, to John's point about how they

44:39 Speaker 11: were very young.

44:41 Speaker 12: Well, that has an aspect of course, because when I

44:43 Speaker 12: was younger, I was very stupid.

44:44 Speaker 4: Now that I look back on myself.

44:46 Speaker 11: And I wonder, I wonder John's observation. I wonder if

44:50 Speaker 11: that that's gotta be thinking? Is that part of the

44:52 Speaker 11: problem if you become if you do become so successful

44:56 Speaker 11: so young, and you have all that money, you establish

44:59 Speaker 11: a you know, as ay an a therapist, we talk

45:02 Speaker 11: a lot about patterns. You establish a pattern of spending

45:05 Speaker 11: recklessly and foolishly and not practically and uh, and so

45:11 Speaker 11: whereas as John said, like Richard Burton, who you know,

45:14 Speaker 11: didn't become wealthy until he was in its forties, if

45:18 Speaker 11: you become wealthy at an older age, you're you're going

45:20 Speaker 11: to be more practical and and maybe and maybe not

45:24 Speaker 11: be so foolish as to just assume this gravy train's

45:27 Speaker 11: going to go forever. And again, in the case of Journey,

45:29 Speaker 11: it actually has gone forever. But uh, but a little

45:32 Speaker 11: more practical with your money. I don't know. I mean,

45:36 Speaker 11: I think that's an interesting point.

45:38 Speaker 12: It is like the I mean, to spend money the

45:40 Speaker 12: way that that was being spent, it has to you

45:42 Speaker 12: have to have the mindset of an there's no bottom,

45:46 Speaker 12: there's no there's no my wallet will never be empty, right,

45:50 Speaker 12: It has got to be your feeling. If you can

45:52 Speaker 12: sign up for a ten thousand dollar hotel room, that's

45:55 Speaker 12: just mind boggling to me. Ten grand for one night

45:59 Speaker 12: is so insane.

46:00 Speaker 11: Right, I just can't.

46:02 Speaker 4: I couldn't do that. I could not do that and

46:06 Speaker 4: look myself in the mirror. I just couldn't.

46:08 Speaker 11: Yeah, I couldn't.

46:11 Speaker 4: I could freaking fill a food pantry to the ceiling.

46:18 Speaker 12: I'm gonna spend ten grand on one night in a hotel?

46:22 Speaker 12: Does this hotel have.

46:23 Speaker 11: The other thing too? About age? You know, because like

46:26 Speaker 11: I said, John brought up you know, they were probably

46:29 Speaker 11: very young when they established these patterns. Is and I

46:33 Speaker 11: said the same thing when we were talking about the

46:36 Speaker 11: I've said this actually while when we talked about the

46:38 Speaker 11: Daryl Hall versus John Oat lawsuit, and also in talking

46:41 Speaker 11: about Don Henley. It's like these guys, these guys in

46:46 Speaker 11: Journey now they're in their seventies. Is this what you

46:49 Speaker 11: want to be doing when you're in your seventies, tied

46:52 Speaker 11: up in all this litigation.

46:53 Speaker 4: The money like blind with money.

46:56 Speaker 11: I know, but it's like geez, just ah see them,

47:00 Speaker 11: Just do your thing. I mean, these guys like I mean.

47:02 Speaker 4: You took a dollar too much.

47:04 Speaker 11: They're so lucky. They're so fortunate not only to.

47:08 Speaker 12: Not only toy have this, but they have their health

47:10 Speaker 12: to be able to do what they're doing, and they

47:12 Speaker 12: have all this money at their fingertips. They'll never not

47:15 Speaker 12: want for nothing. Right, they don't worry about clothing or

47:18 Speaker 12: food or any of that. They have nothing to worry about.

47:21 Speaker 11: But this is what they're I mean, Journey's canceling shows. Now,

47:24 Speaker 11: this is what they're gonna this is what they're gonna

47:27 Speaker 11: spend their time on.

47:27 Speaker 4: And this is how they're going to go out at

47:29 Speaker 4: this point satisfy. It doesn't go out that way.

47:32 Speaker 11: That's what I said about Darryl Hall and John Oates.

47:34 Speaker 11: It's like, oh my god, the biggest selling duo in

47:38 Speaker 11: pop history, all the money they could ever need, all

47:42 Speaker 11: the fame, you know, and again they they've sustained, you know,

47:46 Speaker 11: they've sustained this over so many decades. And this is

47:49 Speaker 11: how it ends. This is how it litigation.

47:52 Speaker 12: Yeah, you're not going to talk at you. If we

47:55 Speaker 12: go on stage together. It's opposite sides. You stay on

47:58 Speaker 12: your side. I'll stay on my side. And it's and

48:01 Speaker 12: all of it comes down to the one. It's the

48:03 Speaker 12: ego of money. Yeah, it's all about ego and money.

48:06 Speaker 11: And if you're if you're a twenty something, you know,

48:09 Speaker 11: and you have a conflict with somebody, you know, you

48:12 Speaker 11: kind of take it. And you shouldn't take it for

48:13 Speaker 11: granted because anything can happen, but you kind of take

48:16 Speaker 11: it for granted. You had all the time in the world.

48:18 Speaker 11: At some point someday you'll rectify things. You'll make up.

48:22 Speaker 11: Everything will be good, you'll get back together, it'll work out.

48:25 Speaker 11: But you know, when you're in your mid seventies and

48:27 Speaker 11: you're fighting with somebody over money or over a contract,

48:31 Speaker 11: it's like, you know again, I think if Daryl Hall

48:34 Speaker 11: and John it was because I'm such a I grew

48:36 Speaker 11: up such a huge Hall and Oats fan. It's like,

48:38 Speaker 11: and this is how, this is how it's gonna end

48:41 Speaker 11: for them, you know. And and Darrel hasn't said much

48:45 Speaker 11: about it John lately. John has said in interviews when asked,

48:49 Speaker 11: you know or you and Daryl do you think you

48:50 Speaker 11: and Darrel are going to reconcile at some point? He said,

48:52 Speaker 11: probably not. This is probably it, And it's like, oh

48:55 Speaker 11: my god, and he you know. And honestly, I mean,

49:00 Speaker 11: the one silver lining with that is John Oates from

49:03 Speaker 11: what I've seen in the interviews when he's talking about it,

49:05 Speaker 11: you know, I'm sure he carries a sadness about the situation,

49:09 Speaker 11: but he also seems like a little bit of a

49:10 Speaker 11: weight'spin lifted off of him. And Daryl probably feels that

49:13 Speaker 11: way too, because Darryl Hall was clearly resentful of having

49:16 Speaker 11: to share. So I'm going to success with John. But

49:18 Speaker 11: I want to go back to.

49:19 Speaker 4: What I said something earlier. It is like people getting divorced.

49:22 Speaker 12: Now, these guys got together, they were in love with

49:24 Speaker 12: each other, they made music together. That's literally together for

49:28 Speaker 12: so long that they start nitpicking at each other. Little

49:31 Speaker 12: things start annoying each other, and they stay together too

49:34 Speaker 12: long and they end up presenting each other.

49:35 Speaker 11: Yes, well that's literally what Daryl said. He referred to

49:39 Speaker 11: it as a global divorce.

49:41 Speaker 4: It is, and a lot of reason. It's so sad.

49:45 Speaker 4: It's so sad. I'm sad for that.

49:49 Speaker 11: Well, we only have a little bit of time left

49:51 Speaker 11: in the hour, but moving on from journey just for

49:53 Speaker 11: a moment, because this is somewhat excuse me, this is

49:57 Speaker 11: somewhat related. I apologize. I didn't get to the button

49:59 Speaker 11: in time before I cough. I'm not sick, just my

50:01 Speaker 11: allergies continue to This has been a bad summer for

50:04 Speaker 11: allergies for me. Yeah, but you know this year we

50:09 Speaker 11: talk about people, they get used to spending the money

50:13 Speaker 11: and they you see this a lot in hip hop.

50:15 Speaker 11: They you know, the bottom eventually falls out. Also from

50:19 Speaker 11: Billboard dot Com, Damon dashes Rockefella, which is a very

50:23 Speaker 11: famous UH record label and hip hop Rockefeller shares will

50:27 Speaker 11: be auctioned to pay legal judgments. This is from Billboard

50:32 Speaker 11: dot com and I haven't followed this particular story, but

50:35 Speaker 11: it says Damon Dash is one third stake in Jay

50:38 Speaker 11: Z's Rockefeller Records is going up for auction later this month,

50:43 Speaker 11: but a source tells Billboard that the shows might come

50:46 Speaker 11: with some The shares rather might come with some key limitations.

50:50 Speaker 11: According to federal court filings this week, the US Marshall

50:53 Speaker 11: Service will auction off Damon Dash's thirty three and a

50:57 Speaker 11: third interest in the storied record company to satisfy an

51:01 Speaker 11: eight hundred and twenty three thousand dollars judgment against him

51:04 Speaker 11: in a lawsuit filed by movie producer Josh Weber over

51:07 Speaker 11: a failed film partnership. The auction is set for August

51:11 Speaker 11: twenty nine at a midtown Manhattan hotel. Will have a

51:14 Speaker 11: minimum bit of one point two million dollars. I don't

51:17 Speaker 11: want to get in all the math of it, but

51:21 Speaker 11: skipping down just quickly. The sale will be for Dash's

51:24 Speaker 11: Steak and Rockefeller, Inc. An entity whose primary assets are

51:28 Speaker 11: the rights to Jay Z's iconic debut album Reasonable doubt.

51:33 Speaker 11: According to an April article by Rolling Stone, the rest

51:35 Speaker 11: of the catalog of music released by Rockefeller, which is

51:39 Speaker 11: dissolved as an operational label in twenty thirteen, is owned

51:42 Speaker 11: by other entities and is not involved the owner of

51:46 Speaker 11: the other two thirds of Rockefeller Label, co founders Jay

51:49 Speaker 11: z and Kareem Biggs Burke, have already attempted to stop

51:54 Speaker 11: the auction, including making changes to the company's bylaws and

51:57 Speaker 11: interviewing in the lawsuit. I'm sorry intervening rather in the lawsuit,

52:02 Speaker 11: but a federal judge rejected such opposition in February, and

52:06 Speaker 11: we won't go through it. This is a long involved article.

52:09 Speaker 11: Maybe we'll revisit this in the future. But I do

52:12 Speaker 11: have to wonder if some of the attorneys involved in

52:15 Speaker 11: this are you know, do they hire law firms that

52:18 Speaker 11: have also been used by the members of Journey in

52:21 Speaker 11: their legal misadventures with each other? It just goes on

52:27 Speaker 11: and on, all right. We are approaching the top of

52:29 Speaker 11: the hour. We have some guests coming in in the

52:31 Speaker 11: third hour, but we want to ask promised, I'm going

52:34 Speaker 11: to play another track from our one guest today. We

52:38 Speaker 11: had the band Club Paradise skyping in from the UK

52:42 Speaker 11: and this is a great track. This is called Another Life.

52:45 Speaker 11: And we didn't tell the guys at a time where

52:47 Speaker 11: we're going to play this one, but I love this song.

52:48 Speaker 11: And then we're also going to in case you missed

52:50 Speaker 11: it earlier, the world radio premiere today of the new

52:53 Speaker 11: track from Hope the Rapper. We're gonna play that again too,

52:57 Speaker 11: And then we've got some guests coming in the third hour,

52:59 Speaker 11: so don't go away anymore. Matt Connorton unleashed to come.

53:08 Speaker 14: Can you see us meeting and another another life? Can

53:16 Speaker 14: you feel this speed into another life? Not alife? Can

53:23 Speaker 14: you see us meeting.

53:25 Speaker 6: And another life? Another life?

53:30 Speaker 14: Can you feel this speed into another life?

53:34 Speaker 11: Another life?

53:37 Speaker 5: What if frame not on.

53:39 Speaker 6: Delivery stretch of resting your ploy? Did that even breaths?

53:44 Speaker 11: This life was sign you gave me.

53:48 Speaker 4: WoT scare you to walk and see a well with me?

53:51 Speaker 14: When those guys time green and stuff, A wee cry

53:56 Speaker 14: a sign on emdens.

53:59 Speaker 4: We'll let say for me to me You see.

54:01 Speaker 14: That he had world outlo it's your lady. Can you

54:07 Speaker 14: see us meaning in another another life?

54:14 Speaker 6: Can you see this lean into another life?

54:18 Speaker 5: No life?

54:22 Speaker 14: Can you see us meaning at a.

54:24 Speaker 6: Nod to feel lessly into a noddle. Life feel like

54:37 Speaker 6: a breaking going on the room.

54:41 Speaker 14: My thought collection, traguric perceptions just gather the dust.

54:49 Speaker 11: Because I was a desperate man.

54:52 Speaker 5: In on all of homes.

54:56 Speaker 6: But I can't be tampering.

54:58 Speaker 14: Man, it's you why you see it the most? Can

55:06 Speaker 14: you see us? Meetings not alive? Timmy ball is clean

55:15 Speaker 14: into another another.

55:21 Speaker 6: GMC as me and it was not allowed.

55:28 Speaker 14: Jimmy ball is clean into a noddle. About just sat

55:38 Speaker 14: inside every one?

55:44 Speaker 5: No time? What it bout?

55:51 Speaker 6: Just sid inside?

55:59 Speaker 4: No, I'm on my way now.

56:22 Speaker 6: Why would I wait? Now?

56:23 Speaker 15: Wait now I'm on my way now.

56:26 Speaker 6: Why would I wait?

56:27 Speaker 14: Now?

56:27 Speaker 6: Wait now I'm on my way now? Why would I wait?

56:31 Speaker 12: Now?

56:32 Speaker 5: On my way?

56:33 Speaker 6: No way?

56:35 Speaker 5: Like things like.

56:36 Speaker 16: Sports is touchdown? We're getting When I'm on that bill,

56:39 Speaker 16: I don't.

56:39 Speaker 6: Give a shout.

56:40 Speaker 16: What's because I'm working on mine and I need a

56:42 Speaker 16: good deal coming.

56:43 Speaker 6: What's real?

56:43 Speaker 16: How I need a bill twenty note trying to get

56:45 Speaker 16: all of my bills and trying to destroy me like

56:47 Speaker 16: capital bill. I'm coming right back, and I'm nothing to thrill.

56:50 Speaker 16: But against ain't copping.

56:51 Speaker 11: They're making this bell.

56:54 Speaker 16: For the impact the quick dash soon as money called

56:58 Speaker 16: me right back, do it all with my heart head,

57:00 Speaker 16: fight that honey, buy me with a barn that decide

57:02 Speaker 16: rat got I'm telling me he's wrong that I'm like that,

57:04 Speaker 16: Hi Jack the MICUs with the flight pack hunt a

57:06 Speaker 16: mic and a No. I'm to tell him holy fighting

57:08 Speaker 16: with the man in the mirror when the aero step

57:11 Speaker 16: back's a good pack. If we talk about impact, we

57:13 Speaker 16: did that. Oh no, heads to the front door. I

57:16 Speaker 16: know the test gonna come, So got one boy, the

57:18 Speaker 16: end and the one more.

57:19 Speaker 4: I swear for my end.

57:20 Speaker 16: I'm gonna take yos. We're gonna with the cheese like

57:22 Speaker 16: it's kiss. Kay, sous Letta be kicking heavy. Ksous wake

57:25 Speaker 16: up in the morning with the day go trying to

57:27 Speaker 16: tour the states to win a big goat, say sous,

57:29 Speaker 16: I just want to make both put a hole in

57:31 Speaker 16: his head like a bag. Go lay lo and wait

57:34 Speaker 16: for the safe goat plays go. I don't want to

57:36 Speaker 16: stay pope these to get this talking. But I see

57:38 Speaker 16: the opposite. I think I'm taking it next, losing that hope,

57:41 Speaker 16: well nowhere that goal. But I got this ans on

57:43 Speaker 16: my chest. Push me, don't break down. Pt Us don't

57:47 Speaker 16: drake down. God is like eight miles. I'm on my

57:50 Speaker 16: weight now, I'm on my way now. Why would wait

57:54 Speaker 16: now I'm on my way now? Why would I wear

57:58 Speaker 16: now I'm on my way now? Why would I wear?

58:02 Speaker 14: Now?

58:03 Speaker 12: Now?

58:04 Speaker 6: My way? When holder wait?

58:08 Speaker 15: Log wabi play the biggest man that may I make okay?

58:13 Speaker 15: Depending when I pull up in the pay kind of

58:15 Speaker 15: remember you with the the biggest picture that for a

58:18 Speaker 15: girl they trying to figure me up? Tell me did

58:21 Speaker 15: you hear me when I say I come from that

58:23 Speaker 15: error like your marriage pop up with the stupid toe

58:25 Speaker 15: down on the terrace were cup and the tooth we

58:27 Speaker 15: pretend with no aircus in the boot, and they drove

58:29 Speaker 15: to our area. Your gentrification was patiently waiting back that

58:32 Speaker 15: we have picking and so the in case they fighting

58:34 Speaker 15: for a placement on corners outrages while others have plaguing.

58:36 Speaker 6: So love to word not.

58:38 Speaker 15: Wait now that was my trailer like eight mile, the

58:41 Speaker 15: ling I know down the plate round came from the

58:43 Speaker 15: foods and he pay?

58:44 Speaker 4: How did you do currency come in in?

58:46 Speaker 5: Currently?

58:47 Speaker 15: Keeping good company me you and your lobody, all of

58:49 Speaker 15: my bending and stuffers like children rim raised where no

58:51 Speaker 15: man is like the general. These rappers or so pick

58:55 Speaker 15: them up while hitting them.

58:56 Speaker 6: Draws might be your white it might be your mob.

58:58 Speaker 15: No discrimination. I'm blasing them off. They just talking like laughter.

59:02 Speaker 15: They see their black cat that like you look like

59:04 Speaker 15: a government come from the money. It's rotures and sofas

59:07 Speaker 15: employees don't. Before you had to go get it the

59:09 Speaker 15: packs in the digital and said I'm giving you VEX

59:11 Speaker 15: them a criminal packed up buff get packed in the clock.

59:13 Speaker 15: If you dumped in the lake and you thumb were okay, pounded,

59:16 Speaker 15: the flavor would break down. I was like the state

59:18 Speaker 15: like a break pound, just say the state up.

59:20 Speaker 6: In eight towns.

59:21 Speaker 17: They said, I'm on my weight now, I'm on my

59:24 Speaker 17: way now. Why would I weigh now now I'm on

59:27 Speaker 17: my way now. Why would I wait now now I'm

59:31 Speaker 17: on my way now. Why would I weigh.

59:33 Speaker 4: Now now I'm on my way now.

59:38 Speaker 10: When