Matt Connarton Unleashed 8-10-24 hour 3

0:00 Speaker 1: And Jenny and I are joined via phone by Grizzy Hendrix.

0:04 Speaker 2: Hello, Yo, Yo, what's the worry you are y'all doing?

0:08 Speaker 1: Hey?

0:08 Speaker 3: Good? Good good.

0:09 Speaker 2: Yeah.

0:09 Speaker 1: I'm sorry you couldn't be here with us live in studio,

0:12 Speaker 1: but it's good to talk to you via phone.

0:14 Speaker 4: Work.

0:14 Speaker 1: Are you in Boston right now?

0:16 Speaker 5: Yeah?

0:17 Speaker 2: I'm in Boston right now.

0:18 Speaker 4: Man.

0:18 Speaker 2: You have a whole show tonight the Lord You and

0:20 Speaker 2: friends part of Jim Jones's artist I went Brockton Loves

0:24 Speaker 2: in Boston and she I'll pull ups and be a vibe.

0:27 Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent. Now, tell us about yourself because you are

0:32 Speaker 1: obviously you know you're a musician, but you also do

0:34 Speaker 1: you host a radio show and podcast.

0:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, so basically my you know, for everybody. I don't

0:40 Speaker 2: know why you are in you know you favor Old

0:42 Speaker 2: g hounshow represent Talk of the Town. I am the

0:45 Speaker 2: CEO of Talking to Town six and seven podcast. I

0:49 Speaker 2: used to do music, but I stopped doing music and

0:51 Speaker 2: more so and you know, going showcases and you know,

0:56 Speaker 2: being the pop ups for local businesses, you know, and

0:59 Speaker 2: that's basically know basically mean now they see st showcases,

1:03 Speaker 2: let artists come on the stage. You know, you know,

1:05 Speaker 2: do what they do, showcase their craft, and you know

1:07 Speaker 2: that fun doing it.

1:09 Speaker 1: Now I'm curious what is it that caused you to

1:13 Speaker 1: make that switch, because, like you said, you used to

1:15 Speaker 1: do music, but now you're you're instead of creating your

1:18 Speaker 1: own music, you're more interested. It sounds like you're just

1:20 Speaker 1: more interested in helping other artists. Was there something specific

1:25 Speaker 1: that precipitated you kind of shifting your focus over to

1:29 Speaker 1: helping others?

1:31 Speaker 2: Yeah, I just felt like there was so many artists

1:34 Speaker 2: out here and not enough help. There was like, there's

1:37 Speaker 2: a lot of artists out here, but there's not enough

1:39 Speaker 2: people that's out here, don't showcases for these artists to

1:41 Speaker 2: come out right perform and you know, do what they

1:44 Speaker 2: love to do. So I just felt like I wanted

1:47 Speaker 2: to make that switch. Instead of being the artist, I'll

1:49 Speaker 2: be the person that you know, provide the opportunity.

1:51 Speaker 1: Sure, sure, excellent? And how long has Talk of the

1:54 Speaker 1: Town existed? How long have you been doing that show?

1:57 Speaker 2: Three years? And now three years? We just celebrated our

2:00 Speaker 2: university with my god Charlie Clips, So it's been three

2:05 Speaker 2: years now.

2:06 Speaker 1: Congratulations. Yeah, and now where can people hear that?

2:12 Speaker 2: You could find us at on Instagram, I talked to

2:15 Speaker 2: Town six one seven or on YouTube. We just dropped

2:18 Speaker 2: our new episode with Charlie Clips. I talked to Town

2:21 Speaker 2: six one seven on YouTube as well.

2:23 Speaker 1: Oh very cool. Yeah, Charlie Clips. His name came up

2:25 Speaker 1: on the show recently. I think it was when Jenny

2:29 Speaker 1: Who did we have on the show? Who was talking

2:30 Speaker 1: about Charlie Clips? You remember?

2:32 Speaker 2: No? Was it? Oh?

2:33 Speaker 1: It might have been mister Goodbars because we're talking about

2:35 Speaker 1: battle Rop.

2:37 Speaker 4: Oh that's who was.

2:38 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, he was mentioning Charlie Clips. Yeah.

2:40 Speaker 1: So what do you do on Top of the Town?

2:42 Speaker 1: Is it an interview or do they perform or how

2:45 Speaker 1: does that work?

2:46 Speaker 2: So on the podcast, we I basically interview everybody, interview artists,

2:50 Speaker 2: celebrity says, had stylists, whatever you do. Basically I done

2:55 Speaker 2: probably covered and interviewed. I also do like food reviews,

3:00 Speaker 2: restaurant reviews. I do a little you know, tricky trippy episodes.

3:05 Speaker 2: I then did a stream episode before, so you know,

3:07 Speaker 2: it's it's basically all content type. Think like we just

3:10 Speaker 2: shot the Poppya balloon, the fond Love episode, so that's

3:13 Speaker 2: dropping real soon. So it's basically like you know, everything

3:16 Speaker 2: that you could think of, but mainly podcasting. Yeah, there's

3:20 Speaker 2: different channels, but mainly podcasting.

3:22 Speaker 1: Okay. And how often does it come out? Is it

3:24 Speaker 1: weekly or you've got a lot going on every week?

3:27 Speaker 1: Every week? Yeah, excellent, every week. Do you have a

3:31 Speaker 1: Is there a particular episode of the show that's really

3:34 Speaker 1: kind of blown up where you just got a lot

3:36 Speaker 1: of traffic? Have you had anything that went viral, any

3:39 Speaker 1: particular interviews that people don't seem really interested in.

3:42 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, we had a few. We had the episode

3:45 Speaker 2: with uh Charlie CLIs will close. You have the episode

3:49 Speaker 2: with Bobby Schmurder. We had one episode, the Shoom episode

3:52 Speaker 2: that went viral. We are I am. Yeah, we have

3:57 Speaker 2: one episode when a guy came on his eight strict

4:00 Speaker 2: marijuana like he just ate week like it was it

4:02 Speaker 2: was crazy.

4:02 Speaker 1: Oh my god.

4:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, it gets it gets crazy, like it gets real crazy.

4:08 Speaker 2: But my favorite episode, I tell everybody this had to

4:11 Speaker 2: be the part one with Missiana Bean from BT. She

4:15 Speaker 2: was the first one to show me nothing but the

4:17 Speaker 2: utmost love and she came on for part two and

4:20 Speaker 2: then he's just been walked in ever since. So that's

4:22 Speaker 2: probably my favorite episode.

4:24 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, and where do you do it? Where do

4:26 Speaker 1: you do you have a do you record these in

4:28 Speaker 1: a podcast studio or are you out and about remotely

4:32 Speaker 1: or how does that work?

4:33 Speaker 2: So I have my business partner, he shout out to

4:35 Speaker 2: my guy and anybody that needs a studio. When y'all

4:37 Speaker 2: come to mask and she's happening with Undeniable Sound, he

4:40 Speaker 2: literally does everything everything, okay, recording to you know, to editing,

4:47 Speaker 2: to videos to all of that. He actually shot. He

4:49 Speaker 2: shot all of my episodes for my podcast, so tapping

4:52 Speaker 2: with him Underniable Sound. He's in my bio, He's under

4:55 Speaker 2: every video in my YouTube. So Undeniable Sound, Undeniable stamd

4:59 Speaker 2: and she.

5:00 Speaker 1: Taking fly Oh that's cool. Does he work with other

5:04 Speaker 1: podcasters as well?

5:07 Speaker 2: He can, but he mainly works with me because you know,

5:09 Speaker 2: we that's my business partner. So yeah, and he's he's

5:13 Speaker 2: also an artist as well, So any like any showed

5:15 Speaker 2: that I have, y'all probably haven't seen him on to

5:17 Speaker 2: see him on the.

5:18 Speaker 1: Flyers, so oh, very cool, very cool. And where are

5:22 Speaker 1: you from?

5:24 Speaker 2: I'm from Dorchester, Boston, Mass Dorchester born and raised, grew

5:27 Speaker 2: up there.

5:27 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, I was born in Boston. Yeah yeah, yeah,

5:31 Speaker 1: Jenny was born in Boston too. Yeah, uh.

5:34 Speaker 2: Had a connection.

5:35 Speaker 1: Yeah, there you go. How is uh how's the hip

5:41 Speaker 1: hop scene changed there over the years. I'm a little

5:43 Speaker 1: you know, I I I talked to a lot of

5:45 Speaker 1: hip hop artists from from up here, but not really

5:48 Speaker 1: too many from Boston. I don't know what, at least

5:49 Speaker 1: not lately, has the scene changed. Is it more competitive

5:53 Speaker 1: than it used to be?

5:55 Speaker 2: I wouldn't say more competitive. I always there's more on

5:57 Speaker 2: the map. He got more people that's taken a craft

6:00 Speaker 2: series that's actually going and dropping not even weekly like

6:06 Speaker 2: they'll drop every two d's. Yeah, you know what I'm saying.

6:09 Speaker 2: So it's just like I wouldn't say it's more competition.

6:13 Speaker 2: More wise, I would say there's more people shown that

6:15 Speaker 2: they're hungry and just showing that they basically got that

6:18 Speaker 2: talent in the city.

6:19 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, I was curious because one of the things

6:22 Speaker 1: that we talked about a lot on this show, it's

6:24 Speaker 1: really a recurring subject, is how the Internet and how

6:27 Speaker 1: social media has changed everything and how it affects the

6:30 Speaker 1: music industry. And you know, hip hop artists tend to

6:34 Speaker 1: be very prolific. You know, there's a lot of you

6:36 Speaker 1: know a lot of rhymes that that the most hip

6:39 Speaker 1: hop artists that I meet, you know, they're constantly writing

6:42 Speaker 1: and they're always making new new tracks. So it's now

6:45 Speaker 1: you have a delivery system with social media where you

6:48 Speaker 1: can have an idea, record something that day and get

6:52 Speaker 1: it out immediately. So and and to kind of to

6:57 Speaker 1: be able to promote something, well, let me ask you this,

6:59 Speaker 1: so podcast like Talk of the Town, how did you

7:02 Speaker 1: what was your strategy in terms of promoting that. You're

7:05 Speaker 1: obviously successful with it. You've had some some pretty big

7:08 Speaker 1: guests and and you're getting a lot of traffic with

7:09 Speaker 1: it and podcasting. You know, there's a lot of competition.

7:14 Speaker 1: What's been your strategy to really put that out there

7:17 Speaker 1: and to have the success that you've had.

7:20 Speaker 2: Being outside, literally being outside at every event that you

7:24 Speaker 2: could think of, even if it's not my event. I

7:27 Speaker 2: make sure me and my brother the outside. We have

7:30 Speaker 2: the cameras you do interviews or artists, but we just

7:32 Speaker 2: do random interviews just you know, just to catch some content.

7:35 Speaker 1: So, yeah, this is.

7:36 Speaker 2: Being outside showing support to others, you know, and hopefully

7:39 Speaker 2: getting the support back. You know what I'm saying, because

7:41 Speaker 2: that's one thing I will say out here there is

7:44 Speaker 2: a lack of support, but we're fixing that. We're getting

7:48 Speaker 2: we're getting better with that. So yeah, I was just

7:51 Speaker 2: say being outside and just being being present.

7:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, you're out there putting the work in, that's for sure,

7:58 Speaker 1: and that's what it takes. Yeah, it's like you know,

8:00 Speaker 1: in the music industry, a lot of people get into it,

8:02 Speaker 1: whether it's as an artist or you know, or or

8:05 Speaker 1: doing something else, and they and they think it's going

8:08 Speaker 1: to be easy, and they think if they put something

8:09 Speaker 1: out there that you know, people are just gonna come

8:12 Speaker 1: to them, and it's really you know, you have to

8:13 Speaker 1: put the work in, you have to build, and that's

8:15 Speaker 1: exactly what you're doing. So I commend you.

8:19 Speaker 3: Has the has the.

8:20 Speaker 1: Podcast changed over the three years? Has it kind of evolved?

8:23 Speaker 1: Is it or or or has it kind of stayed

8:25 Speaker 1: the same in terms of what the original concept was.

8:29 Speaker 2: Oh no, it definitely evolved. My very first episode, My

8:34 Speaker 2: very first episode was with Trevor Holmes from out of

8:37 Speaker 2: Boston as well, so you know, it definitely evolved. Now

8:40 Speaker 2: you could tell the difference from there to now. You

8:43 Speaker 2: can see how like I wasn't as confident back then.

8:47 Speaker 2: You know what I'm saying. I didn't really know if

8:49 Speaker 2: I really want to do this, but now you can tell, like,

8:52 Speaker 2: this is what I want to do. So it definitely

8:54 Speaker 2: has evolved with me, evolved in my personality, evolved with

8:57 Speaker 2: the content and the way I create the content, you know,

9:02 Speaker 2: and my different idea is so at first there was

9:05 Speaker 2: just gonna be a podcast strictly a podcast, but now

9:07 Speaker 2: I'm literally covering all types of content that will, you know,

9:11 Speaker 2: either make you laugh, you know, make you sit down

9:14 Speaker 2: and think, or whatever the case may be.

9:15 Speaker 1: So right, right, No, that's excellent. Is everything available online?

9:20 Speaker 1: Is the entire three years? If people want to go

9:22 Speaker 1: back and kind of go through the archive, Is everything

9:24 Speaker 1: up and available?

9:26 Speaker 2: Yep, yep. You can go right on top of the

9:28 Speaker 2: Town six one seven on YouTube there on ig So

9:30 Speaker 2: it was my very first post and just scroll up. Excellent,

9:33 Speaker 2: you'll see the evolution.

9:35 Speaker 1: Excellent, excellent. And I think, did we meet you through

9:38 Speaker 1: our friend Hope the rapper? Is that how we met you?

9:40 Speaker 2: Yes? No, yes, yes, that's my brother right there yet

9:44 Speaker 2: him performing August twenty third for my birthday bash with

9:47 Speaker 2: Charlie clips x case. He will be hitting the stage.

9:50 Speaker 2: He shall hold the rapper.

9:51 Speaker 1: Oh, very cool, very yeah, he's amazing. We love him.

9:54 Speaker 1: Has he been on I assume he's been on the podcast.

9:57 Speaker 2: Now he hasn't. He hasn't been an episode yet. Surprisingly,

10:00 Speaker 2: he's been on about about eighty of my showcases, but

10:04 Speaker 2: never on the podcast. That's kind of crazy. Oh no,

10:06 Speaker 2: you gotta make that happen.

10:07 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I'm surprised. Something to look forward.

10:10 Speaker 2: Yeah, we got to get you, got to get you

10:11 Speaker 2: out up on the podcast too.

10:13 Speaker 1: Absolutely, we would love it. Definitely, count us in definitely.

10:17 Speaker 1: And what now when you talk about showcases, for some

10:20 Speaker 1: of our listeners will know what you mean because we uh,

10:23 Speaker 1: we know that we have a lot of people in

10:24 Speaker 1: the music industry who listen to our show. But but

10:26 Speaker 1: for people who don't know what exactly is a showcase

10:29 Speaker 1: and how is that different from a regular show.

10:32 Speaker 2: So a showcase is basically you can get I like

10:37 Speaker 2: gathering artists. So I probably do about ten to fifteen

10:39 Speaker 2: houris on my lineups to get everybody the opportunity of

10:42 Speaker 2: whatever the case may be, so you know, they let

10:44 Speaker 2: them come up whether they want to perform seven minutes.

10:46 Speaker 2: I do two different things to do the seven minutes

10:49 Speaker 2: or ten minutes, just to you know, they depending on

10:53 Speaker 2: the comfortability of whatever the case may be. And you know,

10:56 Speaker 2: they come up, they do they they do, they think.

10:58 Speaker 2: So if you're an artists out there, if you make music,

11:00 Speaker 2: you ever you've never been on the stage, you never performed,

11:03 Speaker 2: but you've always been looking to get on the stage.

11:05 Speaker 2: You're always looking at perform. Let us know we're actually

11:08 Speaker 2: about to start the tour on the day counted this

11:11 Speaker 2: out tour the start in September twenty seventh out in

11:13 Speaker 2: the bowl at Smokehouse. So make sure y'all tap in.

11:17 Speaker 2: You got a lot of opportunity for a lot of artists. Podcasts,

11:20 Speaker 2: you're trying to work. Let's work. Anybody's trying to work.

11:22 Speaker 1: Let's just work and the tour. How many dates are

11:25 Speaker 1: on the tour.

11:28 Speaker 2: I believe ten for the first way.

11:31 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so we'll.

11:32 Speaker 2: Basically we're book from September up until this no November,

11:39 Speaker 2: late November, then we'll take it December. You know, we're

11:41 Speaker 2: going to start the second leg of the tour in

11:43 Speaker 2: late January.

11:45 Speaker 1: Oh outstanding? Yeah, very cool, very cool? Is that that

11:50 Speaker 1: must be challenging to manage, right, A showcase where you've

11:52 Speaker 1: got where you've got that many artists on it. I mean,

11:54 Speaker 1: is it difficult to kind of keep everybody organized and

11:57 Speaker 1: make sure they get enough time and all that? Is

12:00 Speaker 1: that a challenge to pull that off?

12:02 Speaker 2: Definitely? Definitely, because people are showing up from black people,

12:05 Speaker 2: turn people are showing up link it by we we

12:09 Speaker 2: some people only got the venue from eight to te like,

12:11 Speaker 2: so many time we'd be having a venue till like

12:13 Speaker 2: one o'clock and people like showing up at tin. We

12:15 Speaker 2: got to crunch up seven minutes to ten minutes you have,

12:19 Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying, And I host the show.

12:20 Speaker 2: So it was just like you gotta over the time.

12:23 Speaker 2: We get used to it, but when you know, the

12:24 Speaker 2: first couple of times, you're going to be like geeesh, yeah,

12:28 Speaker 2: come on time a little barely R.

12:32 Speaker 1: No, I can I can relate to that because so

12:34 Speaker 1: I don't do it currently. But I used to promote

12:36 Speaker 1: a lot of shows and sometimes we would have you know,

12:39 Speaker 1: we would have full bands, but we would have five,

12:42 Speaker 1: four or five bands in a night on a show

12:45 Speaker 1: and uh yeah, if somebody, if somebody was late, or

12:48 Speaker 1: if somebody, you know, they got to the venue, you know,

12:51 Speaker 1: What happened a lot with bands is you know, part

12:53 Speaker 1: of the band would be there on time, but not

12:55 Speaker 1: everybody could be there on time. Maybe somebody was getting

12:58 Speaker 1: out of work late or whatever. You know, which happen happens,

13:00 Speaker 1: and you just have to make the best of it.

13:02 Speaker 1: But it can be really stressful. So I can only

13:04 Speaker 1: imagine what it's like when you've got a showcase of

13:07 Speaker 1: that many different artists and trying to do you do

13:11 Speaker 1: you have like a list, like do you try to

13:15 Speaker 1: do you try to map it out ahead of time?

13:16 Speaker 1: Who's gonna go on when? Or does it kind of

13:19 Speaker 1: go by who shows up when, and then you just

13:21 Speaker 1: kind of slot them in in the moment.

13:23 Speaker 2: Neither Actually, I go by off the vibe of the crowd.

13:27 Speaker 1: Oh okay, you know.

13:28 Speaker 2: Some artists have, you know, upbeat music. Some artists have

13:32 Speaker 2: R and B music. You don't want to put on

13:34 Speaker 2: the artists with like drill music and then put on

13:36 Speaker 2: the artist that singing right after, you know what I mean.

13:38 Speaker 2: So it's like you just got to me personally, I

13:40 Speaker 2: just go with the vibe of the crowd. I go

13:42 Speaker 2: with the vibe of the art the vibe of the

13:44 Speaker 2: artists and who the type of music they make or whatever,

13:47 Speaker 2: because I know when it comes to my playlist, like

13:49 Speaker 2: when I'm like listening to music, if I'm listening to rap,

13:52 Speaker 2: I like slowly transition into R and B. Me if

13:55 Speaker 2: I'm listening to R and B, I'm slowly transitioned into rap.

13:58 Speaker 2: So that's how I try to keep it for.

13:59 Speaker 1: The Well, oh that makes sense. That's interesting. I like

14:02 Speaker 1: that approach. That's uh, that's that's really cool. Now at

14:07 Speaker 1: these showcases, have you seen Are there specific artists who

14:11 Speaker 1: have participated in these showcases who then you've seen go

14:14 Speaker 1: on to uh to be really successful either locally or regionally,

14:18 Speaker 1: or or any any success stories that we should know about.

14:23 Speaker 2: Yeah, honestly, there's this Every artist that I would say

14:27 Speaker 2: have been on my lineups, been on my lineup consistently,

14:30 Speaker 2: that you would say been on my lineups more than like, hope,

14:34 Speaker 2: he've been on my line up probably one than twenty times.

14:36 Speaker 2: I haven't been over I think almost three hundred showcases now,

14:40 Speaker 2: I'm not like to eighty seven, I believe, So it's

14:44 Speaker 2: just like over the over the three years, so he

14:46 Speaker 2: been on a lot of them. So I think any

14:49 Speaker 2: any person that I consistently put on my lineup I

14:52 Speaker 2: know for sure is gonna take off. And I know

14:55 Speaker 2: for sure they mean business and they actually mean what

14:59 Speaker 2: they what they You know, they work ethic, right, they

15:02 Speaker 2: work crafts, so they mean you know, some people don't

15:04 Speaker 2: Somemorrros don't understand. You got to put money behind you yourself.

15:07 Speaker 2: You feel what I'm saying to Mars don't understand. So

15:09 Speaker 2: tomorrows think that you just can get everything handed to

15:12 Speaker 2: them or wherever the case may be, just because they

15:14 Speaker 2: know they're nice. No, don't go like that. It's like

15:17 Speaker 2: it's like a once in the blue moon that goes

15:18 Speaker 2: like that. You feel what I'm saying. So right, That's

15:21 Speaker 2: basically why I'm at with it. Many artists I put

15:23 Speaker 2: on my line up persistently. That shows me that they're

15:25 Speaker 2: here's about their work ethic and network in their craft.

15:28 Speaker 2: Then I know they're gonna make it.

15:29 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, oh excellent, excellent. All right, So tell us again,

15:35 Speaker 1: Well actually two things. Let me ask you this first,

15:37 Speaker 1: because I want to make sure our listeners know exactly

15:39 Speaker 1: where to find the podcast. And yeah, so just remind

15:43 Speaker 1: everybody is it is it YouTube?

15:45 Speaker 3: The best place to go for it?

15:47 Speaker 2: Yep. YouTube is the best place to go for the podcast.

15:49 Speaker 2: I want to see some funny reels. Go to our ig.

15:52 Speaker 2: Both are talking at Talk of the Time six one.

15:55 Speaker 1: Seven, Okay, okay, cool? And uh tell us again about

15:59 Speaker 1: the show tonight because we want to make sure for

16:00 Speaker 1: people who are listening live that they know about it.

16:04 Speaker 2: Yes, sir, so we got vamp Wife's own, Jim Jones own,

16:07 Speaker 2: Boston's very own. Lord you coming to Brockton for the

16:12 Speaker 2: Lord's You and French Part two. We have a bunch

16:14 Speaker 2: of artists from all over coming in performing. We actually

16:18 Speaker 2: have one arts that flew in this morning, so it's

16:20 Speaker 2: gonna be crazy. Makes she y'all pull up? It's twenty

16:23 Speaker 2: at the door. Lord, You've never disappointed. She's been going crazy.

16:26 Speaker 2: We just got off to a word not too long ago,

16:28 Speaker 2: and she always shuts the stage down. She always brings

16:31 Speaker 2: the vibe, so he's not gonna want to miss it.

16:32 Speaker 2: Lord You Want Friends? Part two at sound webs Doors Open.

16:36 Speaker 1: That nine pretty excellent. Hey, By the way, are there

16:40 Speaker 1: a lot of venues to do what you do? Are

16:42 Speaker 1: there a lot of hip hop venues available these days?

16:45 Speaker 1: Or that has that changed? I know a lot of

16:47 Speaker 1: places have kind of come and gone. But what's the

16:49 Speaker 1: current state of that.

16:51 Speaker 2: Nah, there is, there's a few, there's there's definitely a

16:53 Speaker 2: lot of venues. I'll let you come in and do

16:55 Speaker 2: what you gotta do. Good good, But there's also a

16:57 Speaker 2: lot of venues that you know, you just got to

16:59 Speaker 2: follow the guyne Yeah, you know me, Sona should be

17:03 Speaker 2: perfectly fine with people that I just want to come

17:04 Speaker 2: in and you know, built the establishment up and built

17:08 Speaker 2: the you know, the resume when it comes to the showcases.

17:11 Speaker 2: So definitely is a lot of venues and a lot

17:13 Speaker 2: of opportunities.

17:14 Speaker 1: Yeah, that's good. That's good to hear. Very good. All right,

17:18 Speaker 1: well listen, Grizzy Hendricks, thank you so much for joining us.

17:22 Speaker 1: I'm sorry we didn't get to talk in person, but

17:24 Speaker 1: I'm sure we'll be able to make that happen in

17:26 Speaker 1: the future. Good luck with the show tonight. I'm sure

17:28 Speaker 1: it's gonna go great and the tour and the showcases.

17:31 Speaker 1: Love what you're doing, and we will talk again soon,

17:35 Speaker 1: I'm sure.

17:36 Speaker 2: Definitely, definitely, y'all both are invited. August twenty third, I'm

17:39 Speaker 2: gonna send you you guys taking some yll pull up

17:41 Speaker 2: August third my birthday past which Hardy clips. Everybody that's

17:44 Speaker 2: listening to make sure y'll pull up is going to

17:46 Speaker 2: be a the outside once again. Thank y'all again.

17:49 Speaker 1: All right, Grizzy Hendrix, thank you so much. Man. Take care.

17:52 Speaker 1: That's sir, all right, bye bye, all right, very nice.

17:55 Speaker 1: So sorry we didn't get to talk to him in person,

17:56 Speaker 1: but Grizzy Hendricks, he's doing great things in the hip

17:59 Speaker 1: hop scene down there, and I think what we'll do.

18:04 Speaker 1: I think we're gonna play Club Paradise. Yeah, I'm gonna

18:08 Speaker 1: play one more club Paradise song because I love these

18:11 Speaker 1: guys we talked to them earlier. I'm just I want

18:12 Speaker 1: to make sure I play the There's one particular one

18:17 Speaker 1: that really stood out to me. But now I'm it's

18:20 Speaker 1: like I lost it somehow. Trying to find it again here,

18:23 Speaker 1: I accidentally, uh closed I closed the tab that I

18:28 Speaker 1: did not want to close, and now I am regretting

18:31 Speaker 1: that I closed that particular tab. Yes, yes, and uh

18:37 Speaker 1: but that's okay. It's only live radio. Okay, I think

18:39 Speaker 1: I found it, oh neighborhood, Yes here it is. I

18:41 Speaker 1: found it. So we're gonna play. If you're just joining

18:43 Speaker 1: us Club Paradise was the band that skyped in from

18:46 Speaker 1: the UK in the first hour and really loved talking

18:49 Speaker 1: with them, and they did send us a couple of

18:51 Speaker 1: great tracks to play, but we're playing even more than

18:54 Speaker 1: what they sent us because we love this band that much.

18:57 Speaker 1: So we're gonna play another one of those. This is

18:58 Speaker 1: called Neighborhood from Club Paradise, and then we've got plenty

19:03 Speaker 1: more to come. Don't go away.

19:31 Speaker 6: You know he made me feel light about there.

19:34 Speaker 7: You can like when y'all stand.

19:36 Speaker 8: The fount my fad cant my ice clos Hello, still

19:42 Speaker 8: Heaven sakes me home?

19:44 Speaker 6: And I would sing no loader.

19:47 Speaker 7: Out, sing the.

19:48 Speaker 6: Song favorite songs to South seen fo out, singing.

19:56 Speaker 9: My stiles coming ca the dusting that stand back, came back,

20:03 Speaker 9: stands coming home came harding, trusting, start back.

20:23 Speaker 10: Looking aft the mountains, looking at the dirt track, the

20:29 Speaker 10: fine picking fist, see the strongest.

20:32 Speaker 8: Spaceball, the wow those two strolling back football and down

20:37 Speaker 8: the streets.

20:37 Speaker 7: An I want to be so and so la.

20:43 Speaker 6: Scene lot in the going for and no scene. It

20:47 Speaker 6: is all the strung to soun fulling.

20:50 Speaker 9: Home, I trusting and stop a deep back. I was

21:03 Speaker 9: trying home a tack deep Bunny jumps the bay stop

21:07 Speaker 9: deep bu.

21:08 Speaker 7: Bu the.

21:15 Speaker 9: Stop shout to its king by SAMs and the chair

21:22 Speaker 9: the space that was the cold level to not take

21:26 Speaker 9: it's more back skinned of the truth, gave the.

21:33 Speaker 7: Time and the game resignable.

21:36 Speaker 6: Game it up.

21:54 Speaker 9: I was turning home by attack on the jus got

21:58 Speaker 9: to start back.

22:08 Speaker 6: I was talking that stop, but.

22:21 Speaker 9: I was talking about about.

22:25 Speaker 7: Stop.

22:34 Speaker 6: I was talking just stop, but came back.

23:18 Speaker 5: Here.

23:18 Speaker 11: Want you say you're talking about your assic can men, you.

23:25 Speaker 7: Made one mistake.

23:29 Speaker 11: Listen of the constant confident you leave in.

23:34 Speaker 7: Hal fall back with your help.

23:37 Speaker 12: Fancy you phooting yourself to the grown.

23:44 Speaker 7: Take your time.

23:48 Speaker 4: When you jumping to the lance.

23:50 Speaker 7: Side whisnal tide.

23:55 Speaker 11: You fall your falling Wow, you not want to break

24:19 Speaker 11: until you get over your head.

24:23 Speaker 1: You're trowing the came.

24:26 Speaker 7: Not saying you.

24:29 Speaker 12: Can't try talking univation gone where when your complex your

24:36 Speaker 12: bass are crashing to the ground.

24:42 Speaker 7: Take your time.

24:45 Speaker 12: When you jumping to the fire wisdom time the fall wake,

24:56 Speaker 12: Take your time to shie. That's a stamp across the

25:02 Speaker 12: land line.

25:04 Speaker 6: Drifting in your world up sending your f.

25:09 Speaker 9: Your far nowhere, Try to wait to away, make the

25:32 Speaker 9: best of every day, to waste the way.

25:35 Speaker 7: Out of the day. Let's rise. Say take your time.

25:58 Speaker 6: When you jumping to the.

26:01 Speaker 7: Wisdom you fall, take your sun.

26:12 Speaker 12: Lets you stand across stand mine, drifting in your world.

26:18 Speaker 7: I send you fun no fun words words.

26:30 Speaker 9: Following the word.

26:35 Speaker 1: That is world of zen. That is from day to Attend.

26:39 Speaker 1: And if you happen to be watching live on on

26:42 Speaker 1: social media, I am wearing my day to Attend shirt.

26:45 Speaker 1: And we had those guys in our chat room. Hopefully

26:47 Speaker 1: they're still there. But I love that track. Of course

26:49 Speaker 1: we had them on the show. What was it two

26:51 Speaker 1: weeks ago? I lose track. I think I think it

26:53 Speaker 1: was two weeks ago. Yeah, great, great band. And and

26:55 Speaker 1: before that, we played a track called Neighborhood from Club

26:59 Speaker 1: Parent And if you're just joining us, Club Paradise was

27:02 Speaker 1: with us via Skype from the UK during the first hour.

27:06 Speaker 1: That's not one of the songs. That's the one I

27:08 Speaker 1: was trying to. I was getting them all mixed up

27:10 Speaker 1: in my head. That's not one of the two tracks

27:11 Speaker 1: they sent us to play, But I listened to that

27:13 Speaker 1: one and I don't even have the words for how

27:18 Speaker 1: much I love that song. That is so catchy that

27:22 Speaker 1: that should be. That should be an international hit song.

27:25 Speaker 1: If there were any justice in the world, it would

27:27 Speaker 1: be I Love That. I'm gonna listen to that again

27:29 Speaker 1: and again and again. Not right now, obviously we have

27:32 Speaker 1: a show to do. But yes, if you are just

27:34 Speaker 1: joining us, of course, this is Matt Connorton Unleashed and

27:37 Speaker 1: we are live from the studios of w m NH

27:40 Speaker 1: ninety five point three FM and Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire.

27:44 Speaker 1: As we cruise into our final segment today on the program,

27:47 Speaker 1: I want to remind you all of something. Of course,

27:49 Speaker 1: one week from today, August seventeen, I will be at

27:54 Speaker 1: the Sister Witch Company for an event. The event starts

27:58 Speaker 1: at noon. I won't be there at noon, be getting

28:00 Speaker 1: there till two pm of course because of the radio show.

28:02 Speaker 1: But but you should show up at noon because they

28:05 Speaker 1: have great stuff going on, a gritting class, a healing

28:07 Speaker 1: circle and hypnotherapy which I will be providing when I

28:11 Speaker 1: arrive there. But the event is from noon to five

28:14 Speaker 1: pm and that is going to be at the Sister

28:16 Speaker 1: Witch Company one week from today, so you can check

28:19 Speaker 1: that out. And Jenny has something that is ongoing with

28:23 Speaker 1: your art at.

28:25 Speaker 4: The Nashua Creatives Collective. I have twelve of my pieces

28:29 Speaker 4: on display Midnight Creatives collect Midnight Creatives Collective. What did

28:32 Speaker 4: I say, Nashua. Yes, it's in that Nashua Midnight Yes, yes,

28:37 Speaker 4: forgive me, please forgive me. Yes, I have twelve of

28:41 Speaker 4: my darkest paintings actually, yes, up there, and they're up

28:44 Speaker 4: for the entire month. Yes, which is amazing. Absolutely yep

28:50 Speaker 4: in nerve wrecking. Yes, you wonder like people are looking

28:53 Speaker 4: at them.

28:53 Speaker 6: They like it.

28:54 Speaker 1: You've had not like it. You've had your art shown before,

28:56 Speaker 1: like at the Mosaic, Yes, Creative Collective. Hopefully I'll be

29:00 Speaker 1: back there again too. Yes, yes, right here in Manchester

29:03 Speaker 1: Mosaic is. They're amazing, But this is the first time having.

29:07 Speaker 4: Like twelve painting well painting. Yes, I've had a painting

29:13 Speaker 4: up on a wall, but no, not twelve paintings up

29:15 Speaker 4: on wall.

29:16 Speaker 1: Well.

29:16 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's pretty intense to have so many pieces, yeh,

29:19 Speaker 4: at once, and it's interesting to looking at them. Never

29:23 Speaker 4: put all of these pieces together like that before. They're

29:26 Speaker 4: the darkest paintings I've done thus far that are that

29:30 Speaker 4: are what I consider presentable. But it was weird to

29:34 Speaker 4: see them all together and just actually looked really amazing. Yeah,

29:38 Speaker 4: and then having Dead Harrison playing in the background is

29:41 Speaker 4: like bonus.

29:42 Speaker 6: That's so cool.

29:43 Speaker 1: Yeah. Oh, in the video, there's a video.

29:46 Speaker 4: Of this if you want to check it out on

29:47 Speaker 4: my socials. There's a video of all the twelve pieces

29:51 Speaker 4: that are up and it's Dead Harris and you can

29:53 Speaker 4: hear playing in the background, which is really really cool.

29:56 Speaker 1: Yeah. Absolutely, And if you missed it last week, we

29:58 Speaker 1: did have We had Eleanor and Spelfie and of course

30:01 Speaker 1: Andre who was also in debt Harrison. They were here

30:04 Speaker 1: with us last week in the third hour talking about

30:07 Speaker 1: all things Midnight Creatives, Collective and Terminus Underground And definitely

30:13 Speaker 1: should definitely check that out if you haven't done so already.

30:18 Speaker 1: I'll go ahead and give the studio line if anyone

30:20 Speaker 1: wants to get in with a call on our next subject.

30:22 Speaker 1: As we are in our final segment this week six

30:25 Speaker 1: oh three two five six seven, six oh three two

30:27 Speaker 1: five six seven. We did hear from John Hopwit earlier,

30:30 Speaker 1: which was that that was a nice surprise. Haven't heard

30:33 Speaker 1: from haven't heard from John and quite some time I

30:36 Speaker 1: miss but uh, there's another our article here from billboard

30:40 Speaker 1: dot Com. A new Senate bill could protect artists from

30:44 Speaker 1: AI deep fakes. And this is of course part of

30:47 Speaker 1: our ongoing discussions about AI. We discussed it a lot

30:51 Speaker 1: on the show, but also the music industry and is

30:54 Speaker 1: having an ongoing discussion about it.

30:56 Speaker 5: And uh.

30:56 Speaker 1: This is called the No Fakes Act first intro use

31:00 Speaker 1: as a draft bill last October. Aims to provide federal

31:03 Speaker 1: protection on one's voice and likeness for the first time.

31:08 Speaker 1: And this is something you know something about from your

31:11 Speaker 1: own experience as a state legislator.

31:12 Speaker 4: Yes, I've worked on this issue specifically.

31:16 Speaker 1: It says here. A bipartisan group of US senators introduced

31:18 Speaker 1: the highly anticipated No Fakes Act on July thirty one,

31:22 Speaker 1: which aims to protect artists and others from AI deep

31:27 Speaker 1: fakes and other non consensual replicas of their voices, images,

31:31 Speaker 1: and likeness. If passed, the legislation would create federal intellectual

31:37 Speaker 1: property protections for the so called right of publicity for

31:40 Speaker 1: the first time, which restricts how someone's name, image, likeness,

31:44 Speaker 1: and voice can be used without consent. Currently, such rights

31:48 Speaker 1: are only protected at the state level, leading to a

31:50 Speaker 1: patchwork of different rules across the country. Unlike many existing

31:55 Speaker 1: state loss systems. The federal right, Yes, the federal right

31:58 Speaker 1: that the No Fail Act would create would not expire

32:02 Speaker 1: at death and could be controlled by a person's heirrs

32:05 Speaker 1: for seventy years after their passing. The balance personal publicity rights,

32:12 Speaker 1: I'm sorry, to balance personal publicity rights and the First

32:15 Speaker 1: Amendment right to free speech. You No Fakes Act also

32:18 Speaker 1: includes specific carve outs for replicas used in news coverage, parody,

32:23 Speaker 1: historical works, or criticism. Now, yes, yeah, tell us about

32:29 Speaker 1: the uh your experience with the bill about r JD. Salinger?

32:33 Speaker 4: Right, So this in the article one hundred percent correct.

32:36 Speaker 4: The laws are patchwork across the nation. Here in New Hampshire,

32:40 Speaker 4: as an artist, you have the right to protect your

32:42 Speaker 4: image and your likeness until you die. The moment that

32:45 Speaker 4: you did, you have no protections anymore, nor does your family.

32:50 Speaker 4: Nobody can control that or take ownership over your likeness.

32:54 Speaker 4: It becomes fair game. So what happened in New Hampshire

32:58 Speaker 4: is JD. Salinger's family has tried to protect his image.

33:01 Speaker 4: You know, Catcher in the Rye, famous American author. And

33:07 Speaker 4: there's a place, it's like a store or something that's

33:10 Speaker 4: near where the Salinger family it has been in New

33:14 Speaker 4: Hampshire and they put JD. Salinger's face on toilet paper

33:19 Speaker 4: something wasn't too happy about that. I don't blame him,

33:21 Speaker 4: but they were putting dad's face on things that weren't

33:24 Speaker 4: very respectable and they weren't happy about it, and they

33:26 Speaker 4: wanted to have control over their dad's image. But New

33:29 Speaker 4: Hampshire law didn't allow it. So the effort was to

33:31 Speaker 4: change the law to allow that to happen, because it

33:35 Speaker 4: does exist in many, many, many other states. California, it's

33:38 Speaker 4: one hundred years, so it's that patchwork. So when I

33:42 Speaker 4: say years, I'm talking about when you die. So you

33:45 Speaker 4: are a you are a public persona you Matt Connerton

33:50 Speaker 4: on this show. In theory, you would have the ability

33:55 Speaker 4: to control your image up until the point that you die.

33:59 Speaker 4: In some states, when you die, whoever is your bequeathed

34:03 Speaker 4: or you're next to kin has the right to continue

34:06 Speaker 4: that control over your image, your likeness, your voice for

34:09 Speaker 4: a certain amount of time. In legislature, it's usually been

34:13 Speaker 4: around lifetime, thinking basically like we want your kids and

34:17 Speaker 4: your grandkids to be able to control your image. But

34:20 Speaker 4: after that it's been enough, but still allowing for people

34:25 Speaker 4: to be criticized or be satired, so narrowing the intent

34:30 Speaker 4: of the bill of that control like it is in

34:32 Speaker 4: other states. We got a lot of pushback trying to

34:36 Speaker 4: do this like this was a huge fight, a bigger

34:39 Speaker 4: fight than I ever thought it would be. And I

34:42 Speaker 4: did manage to get it out of committee and I

34:43 Speaker 4: almost got it passed into the law, but the Republicans

34:47 Speaker 4: on the House side would not have it and trashed

34:50 Speaker 4: it because I was in a supermajority at the time

34:54 Speaker 4: as a Republican. Mind you, they wanted industries to be

34:57 Speaker 4: able to utilize people however they wanted to. My argument was,

35:00 Speaker 4: if you look at the New Hampshire State House, it's

35:03 Speaker 4: across the street from an adult store. So I would

35:06 Speaker 4: give the example of you know, you die and the

35:10 Speaker 4: next day your kids see your face on an adult

35:13 Speaker 4: toy in the adult store being advertised in the window.

35:16 Speaker 4: How do you feel about that? Should that be allowed?

35:18 Speaker 4: Should a pub person's image belong ownership of that image

35:23 Speaker 4: belong to the next of kin. I think it should.

35:27 Speaker 4: I believe it should. You're a public figure, you're making

35:29 Speaker 4: money off of your image, you have created a brand

35:33 Speaker 4: of you, and you should be able to becreath that

35:36 Speaker 4: brand to your next to kin. In my opinion, this

35:40 Speaker 4: law gets into that because now it has to. Now

35:43 Speaker 4: we're adding this whole new animal into the mixture of

35:46 Speaker 4: AI and the ability to mimic people, to pretend to

35:49 Speaker 4: be people, to convince people that that really is that person.

35:53 Speaker 4: These deep fakes are pretty bad, Like you really can't

35:56 Speaker 4: necessarily tell the difference between one person or another. Take

36:00 Speaker 4: somebody's image that you love and means the world to

36:03 Speaker 4: you and have them say the most horrific things and

36:07 Speaker 4: have no control over that, or we allow that to

36:10 Speaker 4: be controlled. I think you should be able to do that,

36:13 Speaker 4: and that's what I advocated for, and that's what I

36:14 Speaker 4: fought for. Unfortunately, the bill died thanks to House Republicans

36:19 Speaker 4: because the Senate was ready to pass it. The Salinger

36:22 Speaker 4: family is very respected in New Hampshire and we usually

36:25 Speaker 4: take pride in our in our in our in the

36:28 Speaker 4: successes that come out of our state. J. D. Salandra

36:30 Speaker 4: is one of the most amazing American writers that is

36:33 Speaker 4: known throughout our country and around the world for for

36:37 Speaker 4: for his for Catcher and the Rye and his works.

36:41 Speaker 4: So you see what I'm saying.

36:42 Speaker 1: About but it gets so these things do get complicated though,

36:47 Speaker 1: because they do. Because so this happened a few months

36:51 Speaker 1: ago and we never got to it on the show.

36:53 Speaker 1: But do you remember the Scarlett Johansson thing. Yes, it

36:58 Speaker 1: was in the news. Yes, I found an article from

37:00 Speaker 1: the Hollywood Reporter. Again, this is from a few months ago.

37:03 Speaker 1: But Scarlett Johansson's AI legal threat sets stage for actors

37:07 Speaker 1: battle with tech giants. So here's what this was about. Artists.

37:13 Speaker 1: This is a little bit of a side street, but

37:15 Speaker 1: it's relevant. So artists were first to sue. Then authors

37:19 Speaker 1: hit generative artificial intelligence companies with a value of lawsuits,

37:23 Speaker 1: followed by publications. As battle lines over the use of

37:25 Speaker 1: AI tools in Hollywood are being drawn, actors maybe the

37:28 Speaker 1: next group of creators to open another front in what

37:32 Speaker 1: would be an industry defining legal battle against AI firms

37:35 Speaker 1: over the use of copyrighted works and personal data to

37:40 Speaker 1: power their human mimicking chat bots. On Monday, and again

37:44 Speaker 1: this is from the end of May, Scarlett Johansson threatened

37:47 Speaker 1: legal action against open ai, which is who created chat GPT,

37:52 Speaker 1: for allegedly copying and limiting I'm sorry imitating her voice

37:57 Speaker 1: after she refused to license it to the company. According

38:01 Speaker 1: to the actress, Open Ai asked her to be one

38:05 Speaker 1: of the voices called Sky for its newest AI system.

38:10 Speaker 1: She declined, though she said that didn't stop chief executive

38:14 Speaker 1: Sam Altman.

38:17 Speaker 4: And that's part of it right there, like for example,

38:20 Speaker 4: sports heroes in games and making sure that they have

38:25 Speaker 4: control over that imaging and that money in a game. Yeah,

38:28 Speaker 4: so that's where this legislation.

38:30 Speaker 1: But here's here's the problem though. Well, okay, so this

38:34 Speaker 1: is what she said in her statement, and then I'm

38:35 Speaker 1: gonna play Devil's advocate as I.

38:37 Speaker 2: Like to do.

38:37 Speaker 1: I'm gonna be I'm gonna because this because I when

38:41 Speaker 1: I first heard this, I was very skeptical that she

38:43 Speaker 1: had a case. Okay, so she wrote in a statement, quote,

38:46 Speaker 1: when I heard the released demo, I was shocked, angered,

38:50 Speaker 1: and in disbelief that mister Altman would pursue a voice

38:54 Speaker 1: that sounded so eerily similar to mine that my closest

38:57 Speaker 1: friends and news outlets could not tell the difference. Unquote. Okay,

39:02 Speaker 1: here's the problem. So from her perspective, so she feels

39:11 Speaker 1: they asked her, she said no, So they just generated

39:14 Speaker 1: a voice that sounds.

39:15 Speaker 4: Well, we'll go to court and deal with it in court.

39:17 Speaker 4: But we got it.

39:18 Speaker 1: But here's the problem. What did they? Does Scarlet Johanson

39:23 Speaker 1: have such a distinct voice? Is there no one else

39:26 Speaker 1: who sounds like her? I?

39:28 Speaker 4: Ah, yeah, come on, now, come on, we want you

39:32 Speaker 4: to be our voice. We want you to be a voice.

39:34 Speaker 4: No no, no no no, So we make one up

39:36 Speaker 4: that sounds just like you.

39:37 Speaker 1: Come on? If I so? If so, if I go

39:41 Speaker 1: and hear this, am I going to say? Oh, that's

39:45 Speaker 1: Scarlet Johansson?

39:47 Speaker 4: I mean according to her, she's saying. Yes, she's saying

39:50 Speaker 4: that news outlet to her. According to her, So who

39:54 Speaker 4: are these news outlets and did they really feel that

39:56 Speaker 4: way and contact her? If that is true, then she

40:00 Speaker 4: absolutely has a case.

40:01 Speaker 1: I'm very skeptical.

40:02 Speaker 4: The thing is even even the Motion Picture Association is

40:06 Speaker 4: getting in behind this bill. And I do want to

40:07 Speaker 4: say one thing about the bill. Senator Blackburn is on it,

40:11 Speaker 4: who's a Republican, and Senator Clovishar and Senator they so

40:16 Speaker 4: this bill is bipartisan in effort to try and protect artists, athletes,

40:22 Speaker 4: people who have a public persona from being turned into

40:27 Speaker 4: some kind of an AI.

40:30 Speaker 1: Now, and you know I'll always advocate on the side

40:33 Speaker 1: of artists at the end of the day. But I'm

40:35 Speaker 1: just saying though from a again, from a practical and

40:38 Speaker 1: pragmatic standpoint. So if somebody sounds like you, now you

40:44 Speaker 1: can go and suit film.

40:45 Speaker 4: If this suit if this actually sounds a lot like her,

40:49 Speaker 4: or sounds like her period after them turn after she

40:53 Speaker 4: turned them down, that's that's not coincidental, that's not that's intention.

41:01 Speaker 4: But they're gonna get what they wanted because they figure

41:04 Speaker 4: tied up in court, they get away with it.

41:07 Speaker 3: But who they get away with it?

41:09 Speaker 1: But who's to say.

41:11 Speaker 4: Unless she gets a stay of some kind and some

41:15 Speaker 4: kind of emergency injunction to stop them from using it.

41:18 Speaker 4: They're getting to utilize it while you're going through court.

41:21 Speaker 1: But so this company though, so because that conversation was

41:25 Speaker 1: had with Scarlet Johansson, now, this company can never ever

41:32 Speaker 1: use any voice that might.

41:34 Speaker 4: Sound much like yeah, I'm gonna say yes, see that

41:38 Speaker 4: to me sounds if it sounds just like her, like

41:41 Speaker 4: you can't tell the difference. No, they shouldn't be able to.

41:45 Speaker 1: There's not another actor somewhere who has a voice like her.

41:49 Speaker 1: What what is so distinct about her?

41:51 Speaker 4: Voice if it sounds just like her and you can't

41:55 Speaker 4: tell the difference. After they went to her trying to

41:58 Speaker 4: get usage and she's said, no, I don't know. We

42:02 Speaker 4: have to put some kind of limitations on a I

42:04 Speaker 4: or it will run rampant. Where is your line, Where

42:08 Speaker 4: is your line in the stand that you're protecting the artist?

42:10 Speaker 1: Yeah, but I do think there's I do think there's

42:12 Speaker 1: the uh and and this is why I bring this up.

42:14 Speaker 1: I do think there's the risk of abuse in the

42:16 Speaker 1: other direction, man, there is, which.

42:18 Speaker 4: Is why this, This is why this Yeah, and it's

42:21 Speaker 4: why these kind of laws are difficult to pass because

42:23 Speaker 4: you do have to narrow the scope because you still

42:26 Speaker 4: have to allow for perspective, sorry for protected speech. You've

42:31 Speaker 4: got to allow for there's got to be you know,

42:33 Speaker 4: we have to be able to have satire of people.

42:35 Speaker 1: We have to be able to So that's the right

42:38 Speaker 1: thing about That's a big thing I'm worried about.

42:40 Speaker 4: Is that part of But that's been done. It's done

42:43 Speaker 4: in many places.

42:44 Speaker 1: Because satirical works are generally protected. And that's already and

42:49 Speaker 1: I'm worried about that no longer.

42:50 Speaker 4: A lot, but it's already been on the books for

42:52 Speaker 4: for forever, especially in California, there's laws on the books

42:56 Speaker 4: that protect artists but allow for satire. California, you protect

43:00 Speaker 4: your image for one hundred years after your death. Some

43:03 Speaker 4: states are seventy five. New Hampshire is no time. New

43:06 Speaker 4: Hampshire is you're dead, You're done. Your family doesn't get

43:09 Speaker 4: to control it. You show up in the middle of

43:11 Speaker 4: some adult stores window too bad, too sad, don't show

43:15 Speaker 4: your kids. I don't like that. I think people should

43:18 Speaker 4: be able to control their image, their persona, and when

43:22 Speaker 4: they die that shouldn't just die with them. If they

43:26 Speaker 4: know you're you are a commodity of your own and

43:29 Speaker 4: you've established this commodity, you get to bequeath that to

43:32 Speaker 4: whoever you wish and they get to contain that ownership

43:35 Speaker 4: for however many years the law allows. But like our

43:38 Speaker 4: state doesn't. Our state gives no protection at all when

43:43 Speaker 4: death happens. This law is going waif this law has

43:48 Speaker 4: to happen, this stuff has to happen. AI is exponentially

43:53 Speaker 4: growing on a daily basis. Let's face it, technology is amazing.

43:56 Speaker 4: It grows every day. There's good and bad about it.

43:58 Speaker 4: The ability to mimic someone's image, likeness, voice. There's a

44:03 Speaker 4: lot of danger involved in that. There's a lot of nasty, underground,

44:07 Speaker 4: criminal things that can be done with that, you know.

44:10 Speaker 4: I mean, I worry about that somebody puts a video

44:14 Speaker 4: of somebody making it look like they've committed a crime,

44:17 Speaker 4: that person goes to jail. This kind of technology can

44:21 Speaker 4: be so horrifically abused that if we don't put safeguards now,

44:27 Speaker 4: it's going to be too late when it's out of

44:28 Speaker 4: the box.

44:31 Speaker 1: For all you know, I might not really be here.

44:32 Speaker 1: I could be a deep fake.

44:34 Speaker 4: Well I know, because I'm here.

44:36 Speaker 1: Oh that's true.

44:37 Speaker 4: But the listeners could be listening to too deep fakes.

44:39 Speaker 1: They could be listening to an AI generated version of

44:42 Speaker 1: the show.

44:42 Speaker 4: Maybe we're not here, maybe we're in Aruba.

44:45 Speaker 1: I do want to do that sometime. I think it'd

44:46 Speaker 1: be fun make an AI generated version of the show,

44:49 Speaker 1: just to see what it comes up with. They did

44:51 Speaker 1: that once on The Howard Stern Show. It's pretty well

44:53 Speaker 1: the conversation between Howard and Robin and the AI version

44:56 Speaker 1: that they did. It was funny because it was so

44:59 Speaker 1: it was so it was like, you know, Howard's like

45:01 Speaker 1: asking Robin, Robin, how was your weekend and Robin's like

45:05 Speaker 1: mine was good? Howard, how was you know, It's just

45:07 Speaker 1: like a conversation they would never have, but it was

45:09 Speaker 1: like it was the best that the AI could come

45:12 Speaker 1: up with.

45:12 Speaker 4: There is an organization called their Human Artistry Campaign that's

45:15 Speaker 4: out there that's actually trying to work on these issues

45:17 Speaker 4: to protect artists. We're talking about. When you talk about artists,

45:21 Speaker 4: you talk about everybody. We're talking about music, actors, painters, everyone.

45:27 Speaker 4: Huh if we I'm serious, Like, so, I want to

45:30 Speaker 4: know from you, Devil's Advocate, where's your line? Where is

45:34 Speaker 4: it that we are protecting? Where do you put that

45:38 Speaker 4: line to protect the artists?

45:41 Speaker 1: Well, I don't know. I mean that's that's the thing

45:43 Speaker 1: we're kind of That's what's so fascinating about the subject

45:47 Speaker 1: to me is it's it's complicated. It's it's complex, and

45:50 Speaker 1: we're kind of trying to find our way through it. Now.

45:53 Speaker 1: I do tend to be I might be lenient on

45:57 Speaker 1: a lot of this, though I might an internal bias

46:01 Speaker 1: because so you know, I'm a co host on Retrospection

46:05 Speaker 1: Radio with pol C on Friday nights, and one of

46:08 Speaker 1: the things that one of the uh if you've never

46:10 Speaker 1: heard the show. Every week Paul picks a different subject,

46:13 Speaker 1: and one of the subjects that we've done a few

46:15 Speaker 1: times that Paul has shows in his plagiarism where he'll

46:20 Speaker 1: play a song and then yeah, and then it's a

46:22 Speaker 1: song where there was some sort of perhaps someone said, hey,

46:27 Speaker 1: they you stole my song. I'm going to sue you,

46:29 Speaker 1: and there was litigation or the threat of litigation or

46:31 Speaker 1: just accusations of plagiarism and so forth. Led Zeppelin, by

46:34 Speaker 1: the way, the most plagiaristic band ever. But but when

46:39 Speaker 1: we're when Paul plays these examples for us, I'm usually

46:44 Speaker 1: the one in the room who says not guilty. I'm like,

46:47 Speaker 1: I'm the most lenient when it comes to these accusations

46:51 Speaker 1: of plagiarism, because I'm the guy who says, yeah, I

46:54 Speaker 1: know that song sounds like this other song, but that's

46:57 Speaker 1: because it's using a chord progression that is very common

47:00 Speaker 1: in rock music and shows up in a lot of songs.

47:03 Speaker 1: I'm the most lenient one. So maybe maybe because I

47:07 Speaker 1: tend to maybe maybe I have an internal bias that's

47:10 Speaker 1: making me say, hey, let's be a little bit careful

47:12 Speaker 1: about what we assume but that's different. Is copying something else.

47:15 Speaker 4: I want to challenge you on that. That's different because

47:17 Speaker 4: you're comparing what's coming out of a human mind to

47:22 Speaker 4: a computer pretending to be somebody else.

47:25 Speaker 1: But what is the same is this is this notion

47:28 Speaker 1: of copying, this notion of hearing something or reading the

47:33 Speaker 1: data of something. However you want to think about it

47:35 Speaker 1: the way a large learning model works machine learning. The

47:40 Speaker 1: part that's similar is taking something and replicating it in

47:42 Speaker 1: some way.

47:43 Speaker 4: True, but without the human element. And that's that's a

47:45 Speaker 4: big difference. There's the difference between the human being and

47:50 Speaker 4: the computer.

47:51 Speaker 1: Well, but it depends on the situation, right, I mean,

47:54 Speaker 1: if I take a if I take somebody else's song

47:56 Speaker 1: and I just basically copy it and I barely change it,

47:58 Speaker 1: and I've plagiarized it, that's actually worse.

48:01 Speaker 4: Than that plagiarism not a deep fake, right No, But.

48:05 Speaker 1: I'm just saying, though, that's actually worse than if I

48:06 Speaker 1: type an AI prompt and I say make a song

48:09 Speaker 1: that kind of sounds like this.

48:10 Speaker 4: Yeah, no, that is worth because that's a direct right copyright.

48:15 Speaker 4: Who's the who's the rapper that did that? With David

48:19 Speaker 4: Bowie's song Queen under pressure, who's stole from under pressure

48:24 Speaker 4: Vanilla Vanilla Ice, that's what it was. Yeah, yep, but

48:28 Speaker 4: see that's that's plagiarism. That's stealing somebody's work.

48:32 Speaker 1: Well, that's not technically, it's not plagiarism. It's it's a

48:36 Speaker 1: it's ample. It's an uncleared sample. Yeah, because he didn't

48:39 Speaker 1: ask permission and then he got held over a balcony

48:41 Speaker 1: by Sugar Knight. It's a whole thing. Geez, we can

48:44 Speaker 1: do a whole show about Vanilla Ice. What a fascinating man.

48:47 Speaker 4: This is true. Yes, but you don't want to anger anyone.

48:50 Speaker 1: No, that's true. We don't want Sugar Knight to come

48:52 Speaker 1: and hurt me.

48:53 Speaker 4: Hang you over or we do have a balcony. Yes,

48:56 Speaker 4: you could hang you over a balcony by your ankles.

48:58 Speaker 1: That would be terrible. It's it's a very good I mean.

49:02 Speaker 4: I support the effort. I think this bill should pass.

49:06 Speaker 4: I think it should be law. I think there should

49:07 Speaker 4: be protections against We have to start. If we don't,

49:13 Speaker 4: we're already kind of late to the late to the Gamia.

49:16 Speaker 4: We need these laws on the books like yesterday. Because

49:19 Speaker 4: technology grows and leaps and bounds by the day AI especially,

49:25 Speaker 4: we don't we need we need this stuff now right,

49:28 Speaker 4: not before before it gets too far out of the bag.

49:31 Speaker 4: But you know, I'm sorry, but I still I have

49:34 Speaker 4: to disagree with you on Johanson issue. She was approached,

49:38 Speaker 4: she was asked, they wanted her, they courted her, she

49:41 Speaker 4: said no. Then they created something that sounded just like her. Yeah,

49:46 Speaker 4: I don't, I don't see.

49:48 Speaker 1: I don't even know, though I would have to hear

49:51 Speaker 1: it and make my own determination to really have an

49:54 Speaker 1: opinion a hundred, which I have not. It's like with

49:57 Speaker 1: the George Carlin thing. Remember all these guys who made

50:02 Speaker 1: an AI version of a George Carlin album, a new

50:04 Speaker 1: George Carlin album. Yeah, And I remember I played a

50:08 Speaker 1: little bit of it on the show, and well, I

50:12 Speaker 1: ended up listening to the entire hour, and I thought

50:15 Speaker 1: it was good. I actually thought it was funny. And

50:17 Speaker 1: George Carland's one of my all time favorite Duck comedians,

50:19 Speaker 1: of course, But but I remember saying to you, Jesse

50:23 Speaker 1: was with us on the show that day, and I

50:24 Speaker 1: remember saying, my observation was, you know, yeah, it sounds

50:29 Speaker 1: a lot like him, but not exactly. And if you

50:32 Speaker 1: were to play this for me, and I'm sure it's

50:34 Speaker 1: still on YouTube. If you don't know what we're talking about,

50:36 Speaker 1: just look up George Carlin AI. You'll find it and

50:39 Speaker 1: it's actually funny, like the jokes are good. But I'm

50:42 Speaker 1: skeptical that it's all AI generated because some of those

50:45 Speaker 1: jokes don't sound like they could have been generated by AI.

50:47 Speaker 1: They're actually too clever. But I remember saying to you

50:51 Speaker 1: and Jesse that if you, if you just played this

50:53 Speaker 1: for me and said to me, didn't tell me anything

50:56 Speaker 1: about it, and just said, Matt, who is this comedian?

50:58 Speaker 1: Do you recognize this? I'm might say it reminds me

51:02 Speaker 1: of George Carlin, or it kind of sounds like George Carlin.

51:05 Speaker 1: I would not say, oh, that's George Carlin.

51:07 Speaker 4: Well you guess, because you know he's dead.

51:09 Speaker 1: No, no, no, But I'm just saying. I'm saying if

51:10 Speaker 1: if you, if you just.

51:12 Speaker 4: Played that for me, you would have pined it out

51:14 Speaker 4: right away and.

51:14 Speaker 1: Tell me anything about it. I probably would have said

51:17 Speaker 1: it reminds me of George Carlin, But I would not

51:19 Speaker 1: have said that's George Carlin because it didn't sound enough

51:22 Speaker 1: like him to me. The AI version that's one example.

51:25 Speaker 1: It is It's just one example. It's anecdotal. But I'm

51:29 Speaker 1: just saying I would have to hear the the Scarlett

51:33 Speaker 1: Johanson which is not which is not available. They they

51:37 Speaker 1: took it down, avoided a lawsuit, and all of that.

51:40 Speaker 1: That's all been saying you.

51:41 Speaker 4: In favor or opposed to the legislation.

51:45 Speaker 1: I'm generally in favor of protecting artists. I don't know

51:48 Speaker 1: enough about exactly what the legislation is to really have

51:52 Speaker 1: a firm opinion, but I'm generally in favor of protecting artists.

51:55 Speaker 1: At the end of the day, I will always advocate

51:57 Speaker 1: on behalf of artists. Having said that, I'm also always

52:00 Speaker 1: worried about abuse, I will say, and frivolous lawsuits and

52:04 Speaker 1: all of that.

52:05 Speaker 4: There are a whole host of organizations that agree with you,

52:08 Speaker 4: that are representing artists. Organizations like the Nashville Songwriters Association

52:13 Speaker 4: or the Production Music Association, the Recording Academy are all

52:17 Speaker 4: joining together in support of this bipartisan legislation, which is

52:21 Speaker 4: nice to see. I just hope that the sun doesn't

52:24 Speaker 4: sit on it forever and that they actually do get

52:26 Speaker 4: it passed into law sooner rather than later. To protect

52:30 Speaker 4: artists is not artists, culture, art everything needs to be

52:34 Speaker 4: protected from AI, it really does. If we don't get

52:40 Speaker 4: these laws in place now, it's just going to be

52:42 Speaker 4: too late. And I really do think there needs to

52:45 Speaker 4: be laws, and especially in regards to deep fakes.

52:50 Speaker 1: Perhaps well I think on that note, well, we'll begin

52:54 Speaker 1: to wrap up. I'm going to play the new Hope

52:56 Speaker 1: the Rapper single one more time on My Way Week nine,

53:00 Speaker 1: no right of our ten weeks of Hope the Rapper

53:02 Speaker 1: singles world radio premieres, and next week is is week ten.

53:07 Speaker 1: It will be our last one, although I mean we'll

53:09 Speaker 1: always going forward, you know, anytime he has something new.

53:12 Speaker 1: I mean, we love Hope the Rapper. We'll certainly play

53:14 Speaker 1: it on the show.

53:15 Speaker 4: But I've been exciting ten weeks, a lot of great music.

53:18 Speaker 4: I've enjoyed every.

53:19 Speaker 1: One of them. Absolutely have to say, yeah, you said

53:21 Speaker 1: last week that track snapchat, you said that was your

53:23 Speaker 1: favorite one.

53:23 Speaker 4: I really like that one a lot, I do. It's

53:25 Speaker 4: still my favorite, still my favorite.

53:27 Speaker 1: So we're gonna end with this one on My Way.

53:29 Speaker 1: It's called but thank you everybody, and if you miss

53:31 Speaker 1: any part of today's show, and we'll be up in

53:33 Speaker 1: just a little bit at wmnhradio dot organ on my

53:35 Speaker 1: website Matt Connorton dot com, and we will leave you

53:39 Speaker 1: with this on my way, Hope the Rapper, and we

53:41 Speaker 1: will talk to you a little bit later.

53:42 Speaker 3: By everybody, I'm on my way now.

54:01 Speaker 6: Why would I wait? Now?

54:03 Speaker 4: I'm on my way now?

54:05 Speaker 6: Why would I wait now?

54:07 Speaker 7: Now?

54:07 Speaker 13: I'm on my way now?

54:08 Speaker 4: Why would I wait?

54:09 Speaker 6: Now?

54:11 Speaker 2: On my way?

54:14 Speaker 4: Like things like eat a sports is.

54:16 Speaker 13: Touchdown we're getting when I'm on that fill, how don't.

54:18 Speaker 1: Give a shout?

54:18 Speaker 4: What's because I'm working on mine?

54:20 Speaker 6: No, it need a good deal.

54:21 Speaker 13: Tell me what's real. I need a bill twenty nine,

54:24 Speaker 13: trying to get all of my bills. They trying to

54:25 Speaker 13: destroy me like Capitol Hill. I'm coming right back and

54:28 Speaker 13: I'm numbing the thrill, but ain't capping.

54:30 Speaker 6: They making this fall.

54:32 Speaker 4: For the impact.

54:33 Speaker 6: Woooo get the quick dash soon.

54:36 Speaker 13: There's somebody called me right back, do it all when

54:38 Speaker 13: my heart can't fight that funny find me with a

54:40 Speaker 13: barn that's like rat And I'm telling me it's wrong

54:42 Speaker 13: that I'm like that hip jack the mics with the

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54:49 Speaker 13: from the aerow step back's a good pass. If we

54:51 Speaker 13: talk about impact, we did that. Oh no, heads to

54:54 Speaker 13: the front door. I know Stan's gonna come. So got

54:57 Speaker 13: one boy, the end and the one more. I swear

54:59 Speaker 13: for my animal ghost. We're gonna put the cheese like

55:01 Speaker 13: it's kasau tayte soaps Letta be kicking heavy Kaus wake

55:04 Speaker 13: up in the morning with a day go trying to

55:06 Speaker 13: tour the states to win a big goat, say Sauce.

55:08 Speaker 13: I just want to make Poe put a hole in

55:10 Speaker 13: his head like a bag. Go nay lo and wait

55:12 Speaker 13: for the safe coast pays go. I don't want to

55:15 Speaker 13: stay pope these diggings this talking, but I see the opposite.

55:18 Speaker 13: I think I'm taking it next, losing that hope. We

55:20 Speaker 13: nowhere that goal. But I got this as on my chest.

55:23 Speaker 13: Push me, don't break down, put us, don't break down,

55:27 Speaker 13: prod like eight miles.

55:29 Speaker 6: I'm on my weight now, I'm on my way now.

55:32 Speaker 6: Why would I wait now? I'm on my way now?

55:36 Speaker 6: Why would I wear now? I'm want my way now?

55:40 Speaker 6: Why would I wear now? I want my way? When

55:46 Speaker 6: hold on?

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56:02 Speaker 14: that error like your marriage pop up with the stupid

56:04 Speaker 14: throe down on the terraces were coup and the tooth.

56:06 Speaker 6: We pretend we're no area. I'm cutting the boot and

56:08 Speaker 6: they drop door area.

56:09 Speaker 14: Your gentrification was patiently waiting in fact the way you

56:11 Speaker 14: picking and so the in case they fighting for a

56:13 Speaker 14: placement on corners and rags while others are plaguing. So

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56:19 Speaker 14: like eight miles I know down not play round came

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56:25 Speaker 14: Come in and currently keeping good company being your somebody,

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56:32 Speaker 14: so oh pick them apart while hitting them draws might

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56:49 Speaker 14: and I'm giving you VEX them a criminal packed up,

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56:54 Speaker 6: The flavor would break down. I was like the state,

56:57 Speaker 6: like a break hound. Just say the stage up in eighth.

57:00 Speaker 6: They said, I'm on my way. No, I'm on my

57:03 Speaker 6: way now. Why would I wait? Now? Wait now I'm

57:06 Speaker 6: on my way now. Why would I wait? No, wait

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57:12 Speaker 2: Now? Wait?

57:13 Speaker 6: Now I'm on my way now? Why would I wait?

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