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Speaker 2: Lots of great music to start out today's show, and
Speaker 2: of course we have a very busy show for you.
Speaker 2: And right now we're going to introduce him without further
Speaker 2: ADO photographer Andrew Voorhies this year. Hello Andrew, Hello, good
Speaker 2: morning everybody, Good morning, welcome to the program.
Speaker 12: Thanks for having me on.
Speaker 2: And so you are a what would be the proper
Speaker 2: term photo journalist?
Speaker 6: Is that?
Speaker 2: What should we how should we refer to your profession?
Speaker 12: I would say so, I mean I'm a photographer really
Speaker 12: generally all around. I mainly do do a lot of
Speaker 12: political stuff and journalism, but I also do a lot
Speaker 12: of non photojournalism and non political stuff as well.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you are very.
Speaker 10: Well.
Speaker 2: How when did you because you're a young man, when
Speaker 2: did you start? When did you start doing this professionally?
Speaker 12: Actually, so about a year ago is when I got
Speaker 12: my first actual camera, which is the camera that I
Speaker 12: still have today. I first started out going around to
Speaker 12: like local events, and I actually went down to Boston
Speaker 12: a lot, because, I mean, being honest, around conquered. There's
Speaker 12: not really a lot of stuff to photograph over there.
Speaker 2: Right, Well, well once in a while, they're sure is
Speaker 2: but we'll get Yeah, we'll get to that. Yeah.
Speaker 12: No, So I I first started out, you know, just
Speaker 12: going to events and just you know, going around Boston
Speaker 12: just kind of photographing the city. I started out doing
Speaker 12: some wildlife stuff, and then I also did some motorsports
Speaker 12: as well, a lot of stuff with I've done a
Speaker 12: few things with MX, NHM up an epping and NHMX
Speaker 12: one on one which is like the dirt bikes and
Speaker 12: the quad cross and stuff like that. So that was
Speaker 12: super fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, excellent, excellent. What made you want to get
Speaker 2: into photography.
Speaker 12: I was first inspired by photography when I was in
Speaker 12: eighth grade. I've always been a really big fan of history. Yeah,
Speaker 12: and you know, in school, our teacher at the time,
Speaker 12: mister Brown, he would show us a lot of photos
Speaker 12: of the civil rights movement in World War Two. I
Speaker 12: was very inspired by those photos because you know, when
Speaker 12: you take a photo, that's not all you're doing. You're
Speaker 12: really freezing a moment in time, right, And that's what
Speaker 12: first interested me in That is not only just the
Speaker 12: aspect of you know, being outside and you know with
Speaker 12: a camera, it's also you're you're documenting things. Even if
Speaker 12: it's something might seem mundane. Sure, you're still freezing that
Speaker 12: moment in time, you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, And I.
Speaker 12: Remember seeing these photos and being that's what I want
Speaker 12: to do. I want to get out there, I want
Speaker 12: to document I mean, because it's important. You know, people
Speaker 12: need to know what's going on in their communities, and
Speaker 12: people have a right to know what's going on right right,
Speaker 12: And it's one thing to hear about an event, but
Speaker 12: when you see it visually, even through a photo, you
Speaker 12: get that deeper level of understanding of, oh, this is
Speaker 12: what happened.
Speaker 2: Are you? Something that comes up on the show a lot,
Speaker 2: and we we haven't really talked about it when it
Speaker 2: comes to photography. We talk about it a lot when
Speaker 2: it comes to music, but AI and the encroachment of
Speaker 2: AI for a lot of a better way of putting
Speaker 2: it into our creative endeavors. And are you I'm curious
Speaker 2: to get your thoughts on that because now and this
Speaker 2: is something we'll probably get into a little bit more
Speaker 2: later too, but now there's it's easier than ever, of course,
Speaker 2: to create a photo or a video or anything you know,
Speaker 2: that is AI generated. And it's also but not only
Speaker 2: does it make it easy to fake things, or easier
Speaker 2: to fake things than it used, but also it makes
Speaker 2: it easier for people to say, oh, I don't believe
Speaker 2: this is real when they see it. And obviously that
Speaker 2: directly affects what you're doing, because, like you said, when
Speaker 2: you take a photo of something, you're documenting it. You're
Speaker 2: creating evidence that this happened, this is an event, this
Speaker 2: is something that is real. But I mean, how do
Speaker 2: you feel about how do you feel about AI? And
Speaker 2: do you feel do you feel threatened by it? Are
Speaker 2: you concerned about it? Or you're not worried about it?
Speaker 12: So there is definitely a level of concern when it
Speaker 12: comes to AI, because I mean AI is supposed to
Speaker 12: you know, help us, not replace us, right, that is
Speaker 12: what the intention of AI should be. But we are
Speaker 12: definitely seeing a lot more now that AI is encroaching
Speaker 12: on that line of you know, because again, like you
Speaker 12: just said, there are a lot of people who will
Speaker 12: now be like, oh, that's fake right now, And it
Speaker 12: is definitely very damaging when you know, people do that
Speaker 12: because of tools like that. I think it definitely is
Speaker 12: something that needs to be regulated because then things will
Speaker 12: start to, you know, go out of control. Because again,
Speaker 12: like as as a photographer, I have had people fully
Speaker 12: on tell me that my photos are fake. Oh yeah,
Speaker 12: and they are. People are a lot more emboldened to
Speaker 12: say that because of tools like AI. Right, Like, because
Speaker 12: you know before like I always say this a lot
Speaker 12: is you know, the undeniable proof of photographic evidence is
Speaker 12: one of the most important things that we have. But
Speaker 12: now we're living in a day and age where that
Speaker 12: kind of means, hey, I can just type this thing
Speaker 12: in a chat GPT and generate it right there, So
Speaker 12: why can't you do the same thing?
Speaker 7: You know?
Speaker 12: And it's like, well, I'm not right right, but it
Speaker 12: definitely is starting to concern me a bit, especially with
Speaker 12: you know, what just happened, because you do have a
Speaker 12: lot of people going out there and be like, oh,
Speaker 12: that's fake, but it's not, sir right right, yeah, so
Speaker 12: oh yeah, it is definitely a concern for me.
Speaker 2: Well we should talk because this this is an instance
Speaker 2: where I assume you didn't expect going into the event
Speaker 2: where you took photographs that were about to talk about.
Speaker 2: I assume you didn't expect to go in there and
Speaker 2: get necessarily the kinds of photos that came out of. Yeah.
Speaker 12: No, absolutely not. Yes. So, for those who don't know,
Speaker 12: I covered the neo Nazi demonstration that happened in Conquered
Speaker 12: at the Capitol Building. There was a fifty to fifty
Speaker 12: one protest that was being held, but it was kind
Speaker 12: of the they did try to take it over, but
Speaker 12: they eventually failed and left. Yeah, but it Yeah, I
Speaker 12: did not expect to turn on to the road of
Speaker 12: you know, my capitol building and see that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: And I once I saw that, I realized people are
Speaker 12: probably gonna think the same thing, like, oh, there's no
Speaker 12: way right that. You know, they were here and conquered
Speaker 12: New Hampshire. So that's why the first thing that I did,
Speaker 12: I threw my bag in the grond, ripped my camera
Speaker 12: out and started photographing. You know, because, like I said earlier,
Speaker 12: photographic evidence is very important because you know, people might
Speaker 12: not know that it happened, or you know, like we
Speaker 12: said earlier, people might be like, oh, that didn't happen,
Speaker 12: this is fake. But then when I show you a
Speaker 12: photo of it, then you can't really sit there and
Speaker 12: say it is very important because people need to know
Speaker 12: and people have a right to know what's going on
Speaker 12: in their community.
Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely so in that moment, I mean, have you
Speaker 2: had Have you had any other moments that even approached
Speaker 2: that in terms of oh my god, I've gotta I
Speaker 2: gotta hurry up and grab grab my camera and get
Speaker 2: out there. Yeah.
Speaker 12: Absolutely so, my friend He's so, I live right on
Speaker 12: Manchester Street and Conquered, like right next to where all
Speaker 12: the car dealerships are, you know, Brookside and all of that.
Speaker 2: I know, I grew up in Conquered. Yeah, I know exactly.
Speaker 12: My friend Jaden, he actually works at Brookside and one
Speaker 12: day he sent a video of the apartment building. So
Speaker 12: this actually happened last month. The apartment building next to
Speaker 12: brooks Side was on fire.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 12: And he was like, you know, he sent that to
Speaker 12: me and I was like, dude, I got to get
Speaker 12: over there. So I grabbed my bag, I sped over there.
Speaker 12: I was like two minutes away. By the time I
Speaker 12: got there, the fire department like already had the flames
Speaker 12: you know, dim and down. So, you know, thank you
Speaker 12: to Conquer Fire Department, all the other fire departments that
Speaker 12: were there.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it.
Speaker 12: That was one of the That was probably the first
Speaker 12: moment where I was like, oh, I need to grab
Speaker 12: my camera and go and you know, go to this
Speaker 12: without you know, warning or anything like that. It's a
Speaker 12: as a photographer, it's definitely another level of adrenaline when
Speaker 12: it's not a planned thing, right, I imagine, especially something
Speaker 12: like a fire h so I got there. I photographed
Speaker 12: the fire department at work and stuff like that, because
Speaker 12: that's another thing that people need to know about, is
Speaker 12: events like that and stuff because that also affects a
Speaker 12: lot of people because you know, after that event, there
Speaker 12: was a lot of people without homes. Again, it's also
Speaker 12: very scary thing because you know that that can happen
Speaker 12: really at any time, right, And it's also good to
Speaker 12: get those photos for the fire department, you know, so
Speaker 12: they have those. And yeah, it was very it wasn't
Speaker 12: necessarily what happened at the Capitol Building type of experience,
Speaker 12: but it was definitely still a very you know, crazy
Speaker 12: situation to walk up to and see what was going on.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Do you ever have anything happened
Speaker 2: where you you you go to photograph something and it
Speaker 2: winds up? I mean, are you ever disappointed? Like, like,
Speaker 2: do you ever find something isn't as interesting a photograph
Speaker 2: as you expected? Or has that ever happened?
Speaker 11: Oh?
Speaker 12: Yeah, There's definitely been those times, you know. But I
Speaker 12: feel like as a photographer, especially like as I gain
Speaker 12: more experience, you realize how to photograph things like that
Speaker 12: that might seem mundane or boring and stuff like that.
Speaker 12: You you really learn and you get that eye of
Speaker 12: like what I should actually capture instead of just being like, ah,
Speaker 12: well you know this, this isn't going well. You know,
Speaker 12: there's definitely that that thing. I try to keep it
Speaker 12: in the back of my head of you know, let's
Speaker 12: it's fine to something because there's there's always a story
Speaker 12: or there's always something to show people out there, you know,
Speaker 12: as I I kind of mentioned earlier that you know,
Speaker 12: even though Cockord is kind of a boring place to photograph,
Speaker 12: as long as you look, there's always something out there.
Speaker 2: Right right, no doubt. How I want to circle back
Speaker 2: to AI for a moment, because how do how can
Speaker 2: you tell like, like, do you have any advice for
Speaker 2: people who and and whatever we say about it today
Speaker 2: might not even matter, you know, a year from now,
Speaker 2: a month from now, who knows, because the technology moves
Speaker 2: so fast. But like if somebody says to you, for example, well,
Speaker 2: how do I know this photograph that you took is real?
Speaker 2: How do I know this is an AI?
Speaker 7: Like?
Speaker 2: What can you tell other than while I was there?
Speaker 10: You know?
Speaker 2: I mean, what what can you tell them or can't
Speaker 2: or is there anything you can you can say, really.
Speaker 12: Well, I have an SD card with raw files. Yeah. Yeah,
Speaker 12: but obviously I'm not going to show it to someone's
Speaker 12: house with my SD card and be like, well here
Speaker 12: you go.
Speaker 7: Yeah. There.
Speaker 12: There are definitely ways to tell if an image is AI.
Speaker 12: There's a lot of things that can factor into it.
Speaker 12: Is the equality of the image, because like, if if
Speaker 12: I have an actual camera, obviously it's not gonna look
Speaker 12: like it was taken off of a potato.
Speaker 2: Right right. Yeah.
Speaker 12: The other thing you look for is really just like
Speaker 12: human anatomy is like is there few extra fingers or
Speaker 12: are people's faces smudge together and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, has a problem with fingers, Yeah, yeah, definitely.
Speaker 12: They have a very big problem with you know, getting
Speaker 12: those features down. So that's important to look for, you know,
Speaker 12: certain colors. There's things that just wouldn't make sense, you know,
Speaker 12: like a group of people merging together in like a blob,
Speaker 12: stuff like that. But it is getting harder and harder
Speaker 12: to tell. Like I don't know if you've seen the
Speaker 12: uh I believe it's called the Google VO three.
Speaker 2: Or something like that.
Speaker 8: I believe I know of it.
Speaker 12: Yeah, it's like people are able to create these like
Speaker 12: very realistic looking videos, and you got to look at
Speaker 12: the progression of AI, like I believe in like twenty
Speaker 12: twenty three is when it first really started to kind
Speaker 12: of emerge. If oh, you can create these AI videos
Speaker 12: of you know, like Will Smith eating spaghetti or something,
Speaker 12: and now it's merged into and you could clearly tell
Speaker 12: back then, oh this is AI, like his fingers are
Speaker 12: like disappearing into his face and stuff like that. But
Speaker 12: now it's kind of getting the point where it takes
Speaker 12: longer and longer to kind of look at it and realize, Okay,
Speaker 12: this is AI. And again, if that's the kind of
Speaker 12: progression it's had since twenty twenty three, I mean, could
Speaker 12: you imagine what it's gonna be like two years from now.
Speaker 12: And it is a very very scary thought because I mean,
Speaker 12: not only does that come into play when it comes
Speaker 12: to my job, of people saying this is fake, you
Speaker 12: got to think what that would do the world, especially
Speaker 12: when it comes to deep fakes. You know, people can
Speaker 12: make deep fakes a political leaders, celebrities or even of you,
Speaker 12: you know what I mean. It's a very real concern.
Speaker 12: And this is why I say, like it really is
Speaker 12: something that needs to be regulated because if it's not,
Speaker 12: it's gonna spiral out of control. And a lot of
Speaker 12: people think that way, So I don't really know why
Speaker 12: it's not really happening.
Speaker 2: I keep seeing these videos that show up in my
Speaker 2: feet on uh, like on on Facebook, I'll see these
Speaker 2: shorts of videos of like floods and and and like
Speaker 2: tsunamis and things. And one of the one of the
Speaker 2: ways I can always tell. I mean, I'm sure there's
Speaker 2: some of them that look so real that I can't
Speaker 2: tell they're fake. But but there is one tell and
Speaker 2: a lot of these is how the people in the
Speaker 2: videos react. Like you'll see this huge wave coming and
Speaker 2: people aren't.
Speaker 12: Running away, they just standing of some of them.
Speaker 2: Some of them are running awave, but some of them
Speaker 2: are just standing there like it's no, like they're not
Speaker 2: afraid of you know, It's like, okay, that's not how
Speaker 2: people would react in that situation. Everybody would run.
Speaker 12: It's like you can tell by their movements too, is
Speaker 12: like you know what I mean, Like their arm will
Speaker 12: spin all the way around or something like that. But again,
Speaker 12: especially when it comes to a lot of you know,
Speaker 12: older people, uh to say, they they are more attuned
Speaker 12: to believe things like that, you know, obviously, but and
Speaker 12: that also poses the other danger of you know, scammers
Speaker 12: have also been using stuff like that to lure people
Speaker 12: into just draining their accounts. And it is a very
Speaker 12: horrible situation and I hope that something is done about
Speaker 12: it rather sooner than later.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what can be done though, not
Speaker 2: to Yeah, no, absolutely.
Speaker 12: So that's the thing is we need to actually have
Speaker 12: conversations about this and you know, figure something out because
Speaker 12: it does need to be addressed. And that's where it starts,
Speaker 12: just having simple conversations with each other and be like,
Speaker 12: all right, what are we gonna do about this? You know,
Speaker 12: your stay in local legislators and just bringing it all
Speaker 12: the way up.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how you put this genie back
Speaker 2: in the bottle. I really don't. I mean, I honestly,
Speaker 2: I really don't. But but yeah, there are concerns. I mean,
Speaker 2: obviously a I can do can do some great things too.
Speaker 2: You know, we we've our first experience with AI actually
Speaker 2: live on the radio. We there's a couple of Pudo
Speaker 2: and Udio seem to be the two biggest ones where
Speaker 2: you can make music using AI yep, and we we
Speaker 2: did all an experiment on the show. I said, we
Speaker 2: had something where we had I guess who had canceled
Speaker 2: or something, but we always find ways to fill the time.
Speaker 2: So I said, let's, uh, this was something I'd kind
Speaker 2: of had in the back of my mind. Let's use
Speaker 2: the Tsuno app because I'd created an account and their
Speaker 2: free account is actually pretty generous, and let's just create
Speaker 2: a song live on the air. We'll we'll put in
Speaker 2: a prompt and we'll create and and oh my god,
Speaker 2: like they're so good, like they're legitimately good. Like it's
Speaker 2: not it's not like, oh, this is obviously aiah. You
Speaker 2: listen to it, you know what I mean. It's it's
Speaker 2: pretty incredible what what it can do. And you know,
Speaker 2: and I have mixed feelings about that because on one hand,
Speaker 2: because of where I come from in my background and
Speaker 2: what I do, you know, I will always always advocate
Speaker 2: for artists, for musicians and protecting them and everything. On
Speaker 2: the other hand, when you type in an idea and
Speaker 2: it creates this great song for you, it's like, this
Speaker 2: is pretty cool.
Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, it's like, what do you do that
Speaker 12: plays into it? Is, you know, people's jobs security and
Speaker 12: it just comes downstreet to like human creativity. No matter
Speaker 12: what AI can do, at the end of the day,
Speaker 12: humans created AI, and humans have done those things on
Speaker 12: their own without AI.
Speaker 2: Yeah, true, true, Yeah, it's uh. You know you mentioned
Speaker 2: too deep fake videos. And part of the part of
Speaker 2: the problem too is people will tend to just broadly speaking,
Speaker 2: even if you take AI out of the equation, people
Speaker 2: are easily fooled when they're being told something or shown
Speaker 2: something that they want to believe. Yeah. You know, we
Speaker 2: all carry, some people more than others, and we won't
Speaker 2: get into that, but you know what I'm talking about,
Speaker 2: but we all carry It's it's part of human nature,
Speaker 2: some degree of confirmation bias in our brains, and and
Speaker 2: so we're always all of us are more apt to
Speaker 2: believe certain things more easily, and so you know, if
Speaker 2: they comport with what we already think and believe or
Speaker 2: like to think and believe it. Therefore it's very very
Speaker 2: because that's the thing too. Even if there are tells,
Speaker 2: this is part of the problem. Even if there are
Speaker 2: certain ways that you can tell that something is AI,
Speaker 2: if you want to be fooled by it, you will be,
Speaker 2: you know what I mean.
Speaker 12: Yeah, if you want to be. I mean, even before AI,
Speaker 12: people were saying things were fake and they didn't believe
Speaker 12: them and stuff. That's why I truly feel like what
Speaker 12: I do to this day is still very very important,
Speaker 12: still relevant, you know, because there are a lot of
Speaker 12: people out there who might just be like, oh, you're
Speaker 12: just taking photos. I mean yeah, I mean, if you
Speaker 12: really want to simple it down like that. But at
Speaker 12: the same time, especially with AI and all this other stuff,
Speaker 12: it is very important for you know, people like me
Speaker 12: to get out there and document things and document things accurately.
Speaker 12: That's why I get photos of everything. I'm not just
Speaker 12: taking photos of one side or I'm not just taking
Speaker 12: photos of a select group of people. I get everything
Speaker 12: because at the end of the day, no matter what
Speaker 12: your beliefs are, the truth.
Speaker 2: Is absolutely oh well said, perfectly said. If you're just
Speaker 2: joining us, we're talking with photojournalists. Photo journalist tripped on
Speaker 2: that word. I should just say photographer, Andrew, No, but
Speaker 2: what you do is more than just photography, so it's
Speaker 2: important to it's important to get that out. Andrew Vorhees
Speaker 2: is here with us, and I also want to talk
Speaker 2: to you about you know, we've been talking about AI technology. Also,
Speaker 2: phones like your cell phone can take incredible pictures depending
Speaker 2: on what I mean. Some of the new phones, it's
Speaker 2: amazing what they can do. Is that a threat to
Speaker 2: what you do in any way?
Speaker 12: So when it comes to the phones, I don't believe.
Speaker 12: So I'm actually very glad that, you know, people who
Speaker 12: aren't able to get a super expensive or fancy camera
Speaker 12: can use their phone to document things like this, because
Speaker 12: there's not always going to be someone with a nice
Speaker 12: camera around to document things like that. So I actually
Speaker 12: think it's a good thing that other people have the
Speaker 12: ability to document events like this, even if it is
Speaker 12: just a cell phone. Do I think they're gonna take
Speaker 12: my job? Absolutely not. I mean you gotta look at
Speaker 12: just the things you can do with cameras. It's just
Speaker 12: on a whole other level. Yeah, the iPhones that they
Speaker 12: definitely have, the quality on them has gotten insane, But
Speaker 12: when we're talking about the level of photos and the
Speaker 12: storytelling that you can do with a camera, it's just
Speaker 12: on a whole new level. And I might be a
Speaker 12: little biased saying this as a photographer, I should. I mean,
Speaker 12: even before I was a photographer, it's what truly inspired
Speaker 12: me was photos with actual cameras. I feel like you
Speaker 12: get you're able to tell more of a story with
Speaker 12: a camera, and you're able to get a deeper understanding
Speaker 12: of things when it's actually taken by a camera. Sure,
Speaker 12: you know, but definitely I am Actually, I do believe
Speaker 12: it is a good thing that, you know, everyone can
Speaker 12: have the ability to document events because that is also
Speaker 12: very important too, absolutely, and you can see all sides
Speaker 12: in that way, you know. Yeah, And again, like I
Speaker 12: said earlier, the truth is important, you know whether again,
Speaker 12: it doesn't matter what your beliefs are as long at
Speaker 12: the end of the day, as long as the truth
Speaker 12: is what gets out there, that's what's important.
Speaker 2: Can you tell? Can can you tell if a picture
Speaker 2: was taken with a camera or a phone?
Speaker 12: Absolutely? Yeah, yep. Interesting, interesting, yeah, yep, yeah, it's it's
Speaker 12: I mean, especially as the photographer, it's very easy to tell.
Speaker 12: But if if you're not, it's very easy to give
Speaker 12: you a simple explanation and be like, oh, here, you
Speaker 12: know what I mean. That would actually be a pretty
Speaker 12: good test to do, actually, just to you know, test
Speaker 12: my eye a little bit, right right, Yeah, mainly because
Speaker 12: like the mainly the way you can tell is the
Speaker 12: depth of field is like when it comes to cameras crazy,
Speaker 12: but also I mean just image quality in general, like
Speaker 12: typically even now, like the more you zoom in with
Speaker 12: an iPhone, the worst and worse the image gets, you know,
Speaker 12: But if you're you know, someone like me who has
Speaker 12: like a two hundred millimeters lens, you can really get
Speaker 12: in there and it's still crystal clear.
Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, that makes sense, Yeah, makes sense. So what
Speaker 2: you take the picture with is important.
Speaker 12: Raight gear is important, absolutely, because.
Speaker 2: I'm also curious too for anyone who's listening to this
Speaker 2: conversation who's interested in doing what you do, you know,
Speaker 2: that's that's something you probably want to impress upon people, right,
Speaker 2: like what you use you know, Yeah, yeah, it's fine
Speaker 2: to take pictures with your phone, but to do what
Speaker 2: you do, you know, you really need a professional camera.
Speaker 12: Right, yeah, absolutely, and especially like if you do want
Speaker 12: to do photography, you are definitely going to need a camera. Yeah,
Speaker 12: it's definitely an important thing. So what I would recommend
Speaker 12: doing is at first, like anything you know, even with photographers,
Speaker 12: like Okay, this seems like something I'm interested in, But
Speaker 12: there are some things where you're like, oh, I'm interested
Speaker 12: in this, but then you start doing it and you're like,
Speaker 12: I don't really like this, you know. So my recommendation
Speaker 12: would be too. Because there's actually a store here in
Speaker 12: Manchester called Hunts. It's a photos store. They you can
Speaker 12: actually rent a camera for like the day or the
Speaker 12: week and stuff, so interesting it would be my recommendation
Speaker 12: is to rent a camera, you know, for a day
Speaker 12: or a week or you know, whatever you think is adequate,
Speaker 12: rent out, you know, because you can actually rent lenses
Speaker 12: and stuff like that as well, So I would that
Speaker 12: would be my recommendation was to start out doing that,
Speaker 12: you know, renting and rent different types of cameras, like
Speaker 12: rent a Fujifilm or a Nikon or a Cannon or Sony,
Speaker 12: just to see what feels comfortable to you and what
Speaker 12: you know, aspects of certain brands that you like, right, yeah,
Speaker 12: because that is also very important in photography, is you know,
Speaker 12: it's not people aren't necessary. I mean people are as
Speaker 12: and you know any other community are very brand heavy.
Speaker 12: But at the same time it's really you know, just
Speaker 12: what are you most comfortable with, what do you like using,
Speaker 12: you know, what specs do you like about certain cameras?
Speaker 12: So yeah, just renting stuff out and just going out
Speaker 12: and just really taking pictures of anything. Yeah, like literally
Speaker 12: anything when you're starting out, just to not only be like,
Speaker 12: hey do I actually like this what I'm doing right now,
Speaker 12: and also learning the mechanics of the camera, learning you know,
Speaker 12: all that stuff, and just learning what to photograph, learning
Speaker 12: how to photograph it. It was very I mean I'm
Speaker 12: still definitely learning. I mean, no matter what you do,
Speaker 12: there's always room to learn and grow, and it's very
Speaker 12: very interesting. As someone who's very passionate about the work
Speaker 12: that I do, it's I'm always down to learn everything
Speaker 12: that I can when it comes to photography. So that
Speaker 12: that is another thing I would recommend is just learn. Yeah,
Speaker 12: you know, I have, like the majority of what I've
Speaker 12: learned I've done on my own with you know, YouTube
Speaker 12: and talking to those around me.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 12: So that's the other aspect too, is you know, joining clubs,
Speaker 12: talking to other photographers, stuff like that can go a
Speaker 12: really long way.
Speaker 2: I wonder how many people are interested in doing this,
Speaker 2: but they but then they become overwhelmed because we kind
Speaker 2: of live in a culture where a lot of things well,
Speaker 2: now you're you're very young, Jenny and I were Gen X,
Speaker 2: so we're like the last generation that actually grew up
Speaker 2: pre Internet. And I wonder how many people are are
Speaker 2: just kind of just they get discouraged because it all
Speaker 2: is more complicated than maybe they expect, because they think
Speaker 2: they think it's going to be easy, because so many
Speaker 2: things are easy. Yeah, in terms of of just like
Speaker 2: you know, again, like taking pictures with your phone. They think, Okay,
Speaker 2: well I'm gonna be a photographer. Okay, I better get
Speaker 2: a real camera to do this. Oh there's a lot
Speaker 2: to learn, like different trying different cameras, like you said,
Speaker 2: trying different lenses and so forth. It's not like you
Speaker 2: just okay, now I have a real camera. Now I'm
Speaker 2: gonna go take some pictures and it's going to be
Speaker 2: great and I'm a professional. It's not like that. It's
Speaker 2: like any really, it's like anything else. You have to
Speaker 2: actually learn and spend the time. Yeah, you know, you've
Speaker 2: you've put the time in to learn all this stuff.
Speaker 2: But you know a lot of people they get impatient,
Speaker 2: they get frustrated, and you know.
Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, and honestly, I've been there. You know, yeah,
Speaker 12: you know, it's but really, again, once when you're passionate
Speaker 12: about something. You realize, hey, this is what I want
Speaker 12: to do. You stick through it, you know, on the
Speaker 12: highs and the lows. Yep, it is that, like I said,
Speaker 12: I mean happen to me, and it is definitely a
Speaker 12: very real thing that can happen where you're like, oh,
Speaker 12: this super easy. Because before I got a photography I'm like, oh,
Speaker 12: you're just pointing a camera and pressing a button.
Speaker 2: There's definitely more than that.
Speaker 12: But once you you know, sit there and you actually
Speaker 12: start learning a lot of it just makes I mean,
Speaker 12: for me, it just like that. It was just super
Speaker 12: quick and I was like, oh, okay, so that's what
Speaker 12: this setting does. That's what this does. Okay, awesome, And
Speaker 12: then you just kind of collectively take all the things
Speaker 12: that you've learned and just really when it comes to
Speaker 12: a camera, when you do one thing, it affects something else,
Speaker 12: so you know what I mean, Like when when you
Speaker 12: up your ISO, it adds more light into the camera,
Speaker 12: but it also makes the image more fuzzy, so stuff
Speaker 12: like that. So like almost every setting that you can
Speaker 12: mess with, it also messes with something else. And once
Speaker 12: you learn that really that those basic things you're not
Speaker 12: necessarily set, but you kind of you can from there,
Speaker 12: you can just go, you know, and it is definitely
Speaker 12: a very very interesting process because you know, as a photographer,
Speaker 12: the weather hates us. Oh yeah, so, and it also
Speaker 12: goes down to the gear that you have as well.
Speaker 12: The more gear you have, the different types of gear
Speaker 12: you have, the more you can do. Really, you can
Speaker 12: definitely do a lot with you know, I even have
Speaker 12: right now, you know, as a twenty year old, it
Speaker 12: doesn't have a lot of money. I only have, you know,
Speaker 12: one camera body and three lenses. Even with that you
Speaker 12: can do a lot, yeah, you know. But the the
Speaker 12: more equipment that you have and the type of equipment
Speaker 12: that you have, you can do a lot more. You
Speaker 12: can shoot indoors, you can shoot at night, you can
Speaker 12: shoot when it's cloudy, stuff like that. So really it
Speaker 12: might not even come down to you know, what you
Speaker 12: know and what you don't know. It just comes down
Speaker 12: to what tools do I have available?
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you been in situations you mentioned the weather.
Speaker 2: Have you been in situations where you needed to photograph
Speaker 2: something in weather that was challenging?
Speaker 11: Oh?
Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, it's especially with you know, only one camera
Speaker 12: body and three lenses. It happens more more often, especially
Speaker 12: in the winter, I bet, especially in the winter. And
Speaker 12: I'm like, ah, because again, like lighting, lighting is a
Speaker 12: big thing when it comes to me. You know, it's
Speaker 12: it can be very especially indoors. You know, it like
Speaker 12: like this right now, it's very you know, well lit room.
Speaker 12: But if I were to you know, take my camera out,
Speaker 12: it's not gonna look so light right, especially with my
Speaker 12: my long lens. But you know, with my one point
Speaker 12: four you know, fifty lens in here, it would look
Speaker 12: pretty good. But again that's that's a very very short lens.
Speaker 12: You can't really zoom in and stuff like that. And
Speaker 12: that's the other thing. When you zoom in with a camera,
Speaker 12: it also gets darker as well. So oh okay, yeah,
Speaker 12: so it's very it can be very challenging when you're
Speaker 12: in a very big, open room and you're trying to
Speaker 12: get those you know, close up shots of you know,
Speaker 12: people talking and stuff like that or just you know,
Speaker 12: what have you whatever you're photographing. But again, it's just gear.
Speaker 12: There's there's so much out there. It's insane. Like I
Speaker 12: could literally look online for like hours and hours and
Speaker 12: be like, oh I want this, I want that, I want.
Speaker 12: So it's also very expensive.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Do you have
Speaker 2: a favorite thing to photograph?
Speaker 15: Is there?
Speaker 2: Is there something anything in particular, like political events or
Speaker 2: is there anything that Yes?
Speaker 12: So I cover a lot of protest and I would say,
Speaker 12: not only is it my favorite thing to photograph, but
Speaker 12: it is definitely the thing that I'm best at.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Is just you know, telling people's stories of you know, resistance. Yeah,
Speaker 12: and it's I love. That's another thing that got me
Speaker 12: really interested in photography was I love talking to people.
Speaker 12: I love hearing people's stories, you know, the where did
Speaker 12: you come from? Why are you here? You know, just
Speaker 12: just learning about people is something that fascinates me.
Speaker 6: You know.
Speaker 12: I just love talking to fellow humans, you know, and
Speaker 12: telling their stories. To be able to not only tell
Speaker 12: their story, but show people their stories through the visual
Speaker 12: aspect of photography is just something I love.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: And again it's also very important to document events like that. Again,
Speaker 12: no matter what your belief is, that's still history, you
Speaker 12: know what I mean, It's it's still history.
Speaker 7: Uh.
Speaker 12: And to be able to be at those events and
Speaker 12: meet the people that I meet, Uh, it's it's amazing,
Speaker 12: you know. And it again. It's it's like one of
Speaker 12: the things that I'm best at.
Speaker 6: Ye.
Speaker 12: I mean the quality of images that I've been able
Speaker 12: to get through those events is just insane, right you know. Also,
Speaker 12: another another thing that I really love the photograph is
Speaker 12: the motor the like motorsports.
Speaker 8: Love it.
Speaker 2: Oh really, I love it.
Speaker 12: It's so fun just to watch them jump up on
Speaker 12: their dirt bikes and stuff like that. It's great. I mean,
Speaker 12: that's awesome, is it?
Speaker 11: Ah?
Speaker 2: I would imagine part of I'm guessing tell me if
Speaker 2: I'm right that part of what's exciting about that is
Speaker 2: the challenge of getting like a really good sort of
Speaker 2: mat Yeah.
Speaker 12: And when you look back and then when I get
Speaker 12: home and I look back at my shots, I'm like, oh,
Speaker 12: it's so cool. Just there's just mid air. It's it's great.
Speaker 11: Uh.
Speaker 12: I do also like, I mean wildlife as well. It's
Speaker 12: just it's so cool. I've gone to the Boston Commons
Speaker 12: a lot because I mean, the squirrels will just walk
Speaker 12: right up to you. Oh really, yeah, it's great. I
Speaker 12: mean I literally have a photo of my uh my
Speaker 12: friend Bryce with an acorn in his hand, and the
Speaker 12: squirrels literally just like up against his hands. Really, yeah,
Speaker 12: grab the acorner hit out of his hand. Yeah, it's
Speaker 12: just super cool.
Speaker 8: And I mean a lot of.
Speaker 12: Street photography stuff is great as well. I mean, you know,
Speaker 12: I've taken photos of people in Boston just playing guitars
Speaker 12: on the side of the streets stuff like that. And again,
Speaker 12: it's like to other people that might seem like super mundane,
Speaker 12: but you're you're capturing a moment there, yeah, you know,
Speaker 12: and it's it's just with a camera. It's just it's
Speaker 12: so cool. Yeah, that's another aspect of love. And I'm like,
Speaker 12: this is so cool, right, right, Like it's great.
Speaker 2: Not only that, but if you take a picture of
Speaker 2: somebody with a guitar, you never know exactly right, You
Speaker 2: just never know.
Speaker 12: And that's the other cool aspect of it. And again,
Speaker 12: it's like when you as a photographer and you take
Speaker 12: a photo of someone, that's also a conversation initiated.
Speaker 7: You know.
Speaker 12: As I mentioned before, I love talking to people, and
Speaker 12: that's a great way to be like, hey, I got
Speaker 12: this super cool photo of you. Same time, some people
Speaker 12: might be like, hey, why did you take a photo
Speaker 12: of me?
Speaker 2: Which that's something I'm curious about too, so do you
Speaker 2: ever have someone who you know you want to take
Speaker 2: their picture and they and they say no.
Speaker 12: So I when it comes to me on my own,
Speaker 12: you know, when I'm out in public, I definitely do
Speaker 12: tend to ask people first. Or if it's for example,
Speaker 12: like if someone is you know, playing a guitar or
Speaker 12: actually like doing something, you know, I tend to take
Speaker 12: the photo first and then show it to them and
Speaker 12: then you know, if they want me to delete it,
Speaker 12: obviously I'm gonna respect their right to privacy and I'm
Speaker 12: gonna get rid of the photo. But I definitely do make,
Speaker 12: you know, initiation to actually ask people like, hey, can
Speaker 12: I take a photo of you? Because again, like I
Speaker 12: I'm very you know, big on privacy because I mean,
Speaker 12: I mean everyone should be. It's just respectful and you know,
Speaker 12: it's just common sense.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: But I mean, I know, at the the rallies and
Speaker 12: stuff like that, I've had people come up to me
Speaker 12: and they like, are you a cop? And I'm like, no, really, no,
Speaker 12: I mean it doesn't really. I mean I got the
Speaker 12: short hair, I'm a tall yeah, I got my fit
Speaker 12: white dude who wears khakis and yeah, polo shirts a lot. Yeah,
Speaker 12: I totally get it, uh, And I totally get you know,
Speaker 12: people's worry about that stuff. But I'm like, no, I'm
Speaker 12: not a police officer. And they're like, oh, do you
Speaker 12: work for the press or something like that. I'm like no,
Speaker 12: I'm like just a dude, I promise.
Speaker 2: Yeah, like I'm with you, you know, yeah, you know.
Speaker 12: But I I kind of like laugh at it now,
Speaker 12: you know what I mean, because I'm like, well, I mean,
Speaker 12: do you see a bat? Like, no, I'm not a
Speaker 12: police officer. And it It actually happened a lot yesterday
Speaker 12: at the I was at the Portsmouth Airport photographing the
Speaker 12: anti ice protest there, and I did get like around
Speaker 12: three people who are like, hey, dude, are you are
Speaker 12: you a cop? And I was like, no, no, I'm
Speaker 12: not funny, Like I just take pictures like oh that's funny. Yeah,
Speaker 12: but you know, just having simple conversations with people and
Speaker 12: be like hey, no, you know, I'm just here to
Speaker 12: document the event and stuff like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Everyone that I've come across so far has been like Okay,
Speaker 12: you know, thanks for being here and stuff like that.
Speaker 12: And I do understand the worry that that. I mean,
Speaker 12: we do live in you know, pretty sketchy times, right,
Speaker 12: so I totally understand it.
Speaker 2: By the way, Todd Air of course from the Hanging
Speaker 2: Left podcast, and he is in the chat room. He says,
Speaker 2: love to go out and have you give me a
Speaker 2: refresher on photography, and he says he loves street photography
Speaker 2: as well. Very good, and we should mention, of course
Speaker 2: Todd from the uh yeah, Hanging Left. I guess you're
Speaker 2: coming on board with us officially, right, absolutely, so we'll
Speaker 2: have so Andrew and I and Todd. We host the
Speaker 2: Hanging Left podcast. You can find that online and it
Speaker 2: is on all your favorite podcasting platforms of course. But yeah,
Speaker 2: so you must you're with Todd every day, right because
Speaker 2: you both work on the campaign. We won't get into
Speaker 2: it in depth here, but the campaign. Do you want
Speaker 2: to mention the campaign?
Speaker 7: Ye?
Speaker 12: So I am a campaign photographer for Sarah Chidzinsky, she's
Speaker 12: running for congress here in New Hampshire. That's another thing
Speaker 12: that's that I was like, you know, back to what
Speaker 12: inspired me to do photography was not just you know,
Speaker 12: political rallies and protests and stuff like that, but also
Speaker 12: like my absolute dream is to be a white house photographer. Really, yes,
Speaker 12: that is I went to d C for my eighth
Speaker 12: grade field trip, and this was sort of where, like,
Speaker 12: you know, the first flame began of all. I really
Speaker 12: want to be a photographer. I've always been interested in history,
Speaker 12: you know, and you can't really be interested in history
Speaker 12: without being history and with you know, interested in politics
Speaker 12: hand in hand. Yeah, you know, it just doesn't really
Speaker 12: make sense for you to like history and then not
Speaker 12: like the thing that dictates like all of history.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course.
Speaker 12: But I remember being there, you know, as like a
Speaker 12: twelve year old, thirteen year old kid, and I was
Speaker 12: just like, this is this is where I want to be.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: Again, I had an iPhone at the time, and I
Speaker 12: was just taking pictures of everything.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 12: I actually I still have a photo of me in
Speaker 12: front of the White House and I was like, that's
Speaker 12: where I want to be. Oh no, okay, I have
Speaker 12: actually have Pete So's's photo book. He was Obama's chief
Speaker 12: White House photographer the images. He was actually also Reagan's
Speaker 12: photographer as well.
Speaker 16: Yeah.
Speaker 12: So, I mean it's so interesting. He's an amazing guy,
Speaker 12: and the the types of photos and the quality of
Speaker 12: photos that that man was able to produce is insane really. Yeah,
Speaker 12: he's like, he's like one of those people that I
Speaker 12: look up to, you know, because I mean that's that's
Speaker 12: what I want to be right there in the Oval
Speaker 12: office photographing what's going on. Yeah, you know, it's just, man,
Speaker 12: I'm just I can nerd out about it for like
Speaker 12: the longest time. But it's great.
Speaker 2: Are there are there any specific photos that come to
Speaker 2: mind of of that are sort of iconic in your
Speaker 2: mind of of at the White House that that perhaps
Speaker 2: at gentleman, would you say his name was Pete?
Speaker 12: So I believe that's how you pronounce his name.
Speaker 2: Like, are there are there any specific photos you can
Speaker 2: think of that he's taken that you can describe that
Speaker 2: the the.
Speaker 12: One that comes from One of my favorite photos is
Speaker 12: the photo of Obama and his staff in the situation
Speaker 12: room during the bin Laden raid.
Speaker 2: That was the first one I thought of when you mentioned, yeah,
Speaker 2: photos from the White House. Yeah.
Speaker 12: I look at that photo almost every day, and it's
Speaker 12: like to capture a photo like that, it's just it's
Speaker 12: just insane. Yeah, I mean that, like it just blows
Speaker 12: my mind, like not only was he there in that
Speaker 12: moment in that room with all the super important people,
Speaker 12: he got to document that like that, like that is
Speaker 12: forever in history because of him. And that's just the
Speaker 12: thought of that's just insane, you know. And you know,
Speaker 12: even just like sort of the again what other people
Speaker 12: might think is like mundane, but like the photos of
Speaker 12: you know, one of Obama's daughters, like sneaking behind the
Speaker 12: couch to like surprise him. It's like when you think
Speaker 12: of the Oval Office, like in my brain, it's a
Speaker 12: super serious place and all this stuff. But I mean again,
Speaker 12: at the end of the day, like they're still human,
Speaker 12: right exactly, especially you know, you know, as young girls
Speaker 12: growing up in the White House, like they're still going
Speaker 12: to do all those kid things like you know, scaring
Speaker 12: or surprising they're dead. It's just that and again you
Speaker 12: it just shows like the humanity aspect and it's just
Speaker 12: that is that is one of the things that also
Speaker 12: I love about photography is just capturing humanity, Yeah, in
Speaker 12: its purest form. Yeah, and it's it's just great. I
Speaker 12: love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. So that that's the long term goal.
Speaker 12: That's that's what that would be. To get to d
Speaker 12: C and to do that, Yeah, that would be insane.
Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. Absolutely, Oh yeah, Todd says too. Yeah,
Speaker 2: that's an amazing photo. He says, show Matt the protest
Speaker 2: photo you took of me after the show.
Speaker 12: I can definitely send that over to you.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, absolutely absolutely. Oh the time goes
Speaker 2: so quick. Yeah, this has been wonderful. Yeah, you know,
Speaker 2: and looking forward to talking to you of course on
Speaker 2: the next hanging left as well. Absolutely, where should people
Speaker 2: go to uh to follow you online? And if they
Speaker 2: want to see I assume do you have a website
Speaker 2: or something where you put a lot of these photos?
Speaker 3: Are so?
Speaker 12: I So the website is Friday dash Photography dot com.
Speaker 2: Okay I do.
Speaker 12: I also am Friday Photography on uh Facebook as well.
Speaker 12: So the way to find that really is so the
Speaker 12: logo with the like Jason Voorhees esque hockey mask its.
Speaker 12: It's a play on my last name, you know, like Vorhees,
Speaker 12: Friday Photography, Friday the thirteenth. You know, yeah, a lot
Speaker 12: of people don't really know what that is, but you know, UH,
Speaker 12: look it up. Friday the thirteenth. That's a super good
Speaker 12: horror film. I believe it came out in the round
Speaker 12: the eighties.
Speaker 2: Friday the Thirteenth. Probably I never got I never got
Speaker 2: into those movies but early eighties, the early eighties.
Speaker 12: And you can also just search up my name on
Speaker 12: Facebook as well. I post all my stuff on there,
Speaker 12: and that's just as an Apple and d R E
Speaker 12: w V as the victor O O R H E
Speaker 12: E S. I'm also on Instagram Andrew dot Andrew dot
Speaker 12: V hold on, okay, let me right.
Speaker 2: Definitely, we won't make sure people can.
Speaker 12: Uh there you Andrew dot V thirteen on Instagram.
Speaker 2: Okay, okay, very good, very good.
Speaker 12: And for those who use blue Sky, oh yes, I
Speaker 12: am the camera guy thirteen dot b Sky dot Social.
Speaker 2: I'll have to find you on Blue Sky if I
Speaker 2: if I if we're not already connected. I I have
Speaker 2: Blue Sky, I I have the app on my phone
Speaker 2: and everything, but I forget to use it, you know
Speaker 2: what I mean.
Speaker 12: I'm not gonna lie to you like I do the
Speaker 12: same thing. I'm like, oh yeah that does exist. And
Speaker 12: I know a lot of people have switched from X
Speaker 12: to Blue Sky like that. So yeah, I do need
Speaker 12: to get on there a lot more.
Speaker 11: I know.
Speaker 2: Every every time I'm reminded of it's like, oh I
Speaker 2: got to do that, and then I I'll forget about
Speaker 2: it again. Well, very good. Well, Andrew Vorhees, thank you
Speaker 2: so much.
Speaker 12: This has been awesome.
Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm sure we'll do it again in the future.
Speaker 9: Ye.
Speaker 2: Absolute, And I'll see you on the podcast The Well
Speaker 2: So Wonderful. Well, if you are listening live on Saturday,
Speaker 2: stick around Amber. Nicole Cannon is coming up in the
Speaker 2: second hour. Is she in the building, Jenny, She is
Speaker 2: in the building, so looking forward to speaking with her.
Speaker 2: And in hour three, our friend Nancy Manet is going
Speaker 2: to be joining us online via Microsoft Teams all the
Speaker 2: way from Texas to talk about her new single. But
Speaker 2: so stick around. Plenty more to come here on this
Speaker 2: Saturday on Matt connorton Unleashed and Andrew thank you again, Yeah,
Speaker 2: thank you, you got it.
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