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13:39 Speaker 2: It is that time again, Matt Connorton unleashed and we

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14:00 Speaker 2: it is August nine, twenty twenty five. And of course

14:04 Speaker 2: I am not alone.

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14:30 Speaker 2: Lots of great music to start out today's show, and

14:32 Speaker 2: of course we have a very busy show for you.

14:35 Speaker 2: And right now we're going to introduce him without further

14:37 Speaker 2: ADO photographer Andrew Voorhies this year. Hello Andrew, Hello, good

14:42 Speaker 2: morning everybody, Good morning, welcome to the program.

14:44 Speaker 12: Thanks for having me on.

14:45 Speaker 2: And so you are a what would be the proper

14:48 Speaker 2: term photo journalist?

14:49 Speaker 6: Is that?

14:50 Speaker 2: What should we how should we refer to your profession?

14:52 Speaker 12: I would say so, I mean I'm a photographer really

14:55 Speaker 12: generally all around. I mainly do do a lot of

14:58 Speaker 12: political stuff and journalism, but I also do a lot

15:01 Speaker 12: of non photojournalism and non political stuff as well.

15:04 Speaker 2: Yeah, you are very.

15:09 Speaker 10: Well.

15:09 Speaker 2: How when did you because you're a young man, when

15:10 Speaker 2: did you start? When did you start doing this professionally?

15:13 Speaker 12: Actually, so about a year ago is when I got

15:19 Speaker 12: my first actual camera, which is the camera that I

15:21 Speaker 12: still have today. I first started out going around to

15:26 Speaker 12: like local events, and I actually went down to Boston

15:29 Speaker 12: a lot, because, I mean, being honest, around conquered. There's

15:32 Speaker 12: not really a lot of stuff to photograph over there.

15:35 Speaker 2: Right, Well, well once in a while, they're sure is

15:37 Speaker 2: but we'll get Yeah, we'll get to that. Yeah.

15:42 Speaker 12: No, So I I first started out, you know, just

15:44 Speaker 12: going to events and just you know, going around Boston

15:48 Speaker 12: just kind of photographing the city. I started out doing

15:51 Speaker 12: some wildlife stuff, and then I also did some motorsports

15:55 Speaker 12: as well, a lot of stuff with I've done a

15:58 Speaker 12: few things with MX, NHM up an epping and NHMX

16:01 Speaker 12: one on one which is like the dirt bikes and

16:03 Speaker 12: the quad cross and stuff like that. So that was

16:06 Speaker 12: super fun.

16:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh, excellent, excellent. What made you want to get

16:09 Speaker 2: into photography.

16:10 Speaker 12: I was first inspired by photography when I was in

16:15 Speaker 12: eighth grade. I've always been a really big fan of history. Yeah,

16:18 Speaker 12: and you know, in school, our teacher at the time,

16:21 Speaker 12: mister Brown, he would show us a lot of photos

16:25 Speaker 12: of the civil rights movement in World War Two. I

16:28 Speaker 12: was very inspired by those photos because you know, when

16:31 Speaker 12: you take a photo, that's not all you're doing. You're

16:33 Speaker 12: really freezing a moment in time, right, And that's what

16:36 Speaker 12: first interested me in That is not only just the

16:39 Speaker 12: aspect of you know, being outside and you know with

16:42 Speaker 12: a camera, it's also you're you're documenting things. Even if

16:45 Speaker 12: it's something might seem mundane. Sure, you're still freezing that

16:49 Speaker 12: moment in time, you know.

16:51 Speaker 2: Yeah, And I.

16:53 Speaker 12: Remember seeing these photos and being that's what I want

16:56 Speaker 12: to do. I want to get out there, I want

16:58 Speaker 12: to document I mean, because it's important. You know, people

17:02 Speaker 12: need to know what's going on in their communities, and

17:04 Speaker 12: people have a right to know what's going on right right,

17:06 Speaker 12: And it's one thing to hear about an event, but

17:09 Speaker 12: when you see it visually, even through a photo, you

17:13 Speaker 12: get that deeper level of understanding of, oh, this is

17:15 Speaker 12: what happened.

17:18 Speaker 2: Are you? Something that comes up on the show a lot,

17:22 Speaker 2: and we we haven't really talked about it when it

17:25 Speaker 2: comes to photography. We talk about it a lot when

17:28 Speaker 2: it comes to music, but AI and the encroachment of

17:33 Speaker 2: AI for a lot of a better way of putting

17:35 Speaker 2: it into our creative endeavors. And are you I'm curious

17:39 Speaker 2: to get your thoughts on that because now and this

17:42 Speaker 2: is something we'll probably get into a little bit more

17:43 Speaker 2: later too, but now there's it's easier than ever, of course,

17:48 Speaker 2: to create a photo or a video or anything you know,

17:51 Speaker 2: that is AI generated. And it's also but not only

17:56 Speaker 2: does it make it easy to fake things, or easier

17:59 Speaker 2: to fake things than it used, but also it makes

18:01 Speaker 2: it easier for people to say, oh, I don't believe

18:04 Speaker 2: this is real when they see it. And obviously that

18:07 Speaker 2: directly affects what you're doing, because, like you said, when

18:10 Speaker 2: you take a photo of something, you're documenting it. You're

18:13 Speaker 2: creating evidence that this happened, this is an event, this

18:15 Speaker 2: is something that is real. But I mean, how do

18:19 Speaker 2: you feel about how do you feel about AI? And

18:21 Speaker 2: do you feel do you feel threatened by it? Are

18:23 Speaker 2: you concerned about it? Or you're not worried about it?

18:25 Speaker 12: So there is definitely a level of concern when it

18:28 Speaker 12: comes to AI, because I mean AI is supposed to

18:33 Speaker 12: you know, help us, not replace us, right, that is

18:36 Speaker 12: what the intention of AI should be. But we are

18:39 Speaker 12: definitely seeing a lot more now that AI is encroaching

18:42 Speaker 12: on that line of you know, because again, like you

18:45 Speaker 12: just said, there are a lot of people who will

18:48 Speaker 12: now be like, oh, that's fake right now, And it

18:51 Speaker 12: is definitely very damaging when you know, people do that

18:56 Speaker 12: because of tools like that. I think it definitely is

19:02 Speaker 12: something that needs to be regulated because then things will

19:05 Speaker 12: start to, you know, go out of control. Because again,

19:09 Speaker 12: like as as a photographer, I have had people fully

19:12 Speaker 12: on tell me that my photos are fake. Oh yeah,

19:15 Speaker 12: and they are. People are a lot more emboldened to

19:18 Speaker 12: say that because of tools like AI. Right, Like, because

19:22 Speaker 12: you know before like I always say this a lot

19:24 Speaker 12: is you know, the undeniable proof of photographic evidence is

19:28 Speaker 12: one of the most important things that we have. But

19:31 Speaker 12: now we're living in a day and age where that

19:33 Speaker 12: kind of means, hey, I can just type this thing

19:35 Speaker 12: in a chat GPT and generate it right there, So

19:37 Speaker 12: why can't you do the same thing?

19:39 Speaker 7: You know?

19:40 Speaker 12: And it's like, well, I'm not right right, but it

19:44 Speaker 12: definitely is starting to concern me a bit, especially with

19:48 Speaker 12: you know, what just happened, because you do have a

19:51 Speaker 12: lot of people going out there and be like, oh,

19:53 Speaker 12: that's fake, but it's not, sir right right, yeah, so

19:56 Speaker 12: oh yeah, it is definitely a concern for me.

19:59 Speaker 2: Well we should talk because this this is an instance

20:04 Speaker 2: where I assume you didn't expect going into the event

20:08 Speaker 2: where you took photographs that were about to talk about.

20:10 Speaker 2: I assume you didn't expect to go in there and

20:12 Speaker 2: get necessarily the kinds of photos that came out of. Yeah.

20:16 Speaker 12: No, absolutely not. Yes. So, for those who don't know,

20:20 Speaker 12: I covered the neo Nazi demonstration that happened in Conquered

20:24 Speaker 12: at the Capitol Building. There was a fifty to fifty

20:28 Speaker 12: one protest that was being held, but it was kind

20:32 Speaker 12: of the they did try to take it over, but

20:35 Speaker 12: they eventually failed and left. Yeah, but it Yeah, I

20:40 Speaker 12: did not expect to turn on to the road of

20:44 Speaker 12: you know, my capitol building and see that.

20:45 Speaker 2: Yeah.

20:46 Speaker 12: And I once I saw that, I realized people are

20:51 Speaker 12: probably gonna think the same thing, like, oh, there's no

20:53 Speaker 12: way right that. You know, they were here and conquered

20:56 Speaker 12: New Hampshire. So that's why the first thing that I did,

20:58 Speaker 12: I threw my bag in the grond, ripped my camera

21:01 Speaker 12: out and started photographing. You know, because, like I said earlier,

21:04 Speaker 12: photographic evidence is very important because you know, people might

21:08 Speaker 12: not know that it happened, or you know, like we

21:12 Speaker 12: said earlier, people might be like, oh, that didn't happen,

21:14 Speaker 12: this is fake. But then when I show you a

21:17 Speaker 12: photo of it, then you can't really sit there and

21:19 Speaker 12: say it is very important because people need to know

21:23 Speaker 12: and people have a right to know what's going on

21:25 Speaker 12: in their community.

21:26 Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely so in that moment, I mean, have you

21:29 Speaker 2: had Have you had any other moments that even approached

21:33 Speaker 2: that in terms of oh my god, I've gotta I

21:35 Speaker 2: gotta hurry up and grab grab my camera and get

21:38 Speaker 2: out there. Yeah.

21:39 Speaker 12: Absolutely so, my friend He's so, I live right on

21:43 Speaker 12: Manchester Street and Conquered, like right next to where all

21:46 Speaker 12: the car dealerships are, you know, Brookside and all of that.

21:49 Speaker 2: I know, I grew up in Conquered. Yeah, I know exactly.

21:52 Speaker 12: My friend Jaden, he actually works at Brookside and one

21:57 Speaker 12: day he sent a video of the apartment building. So

22:01 Speaker 12: this actually happened last month. The apartment building next to

22:04 Speaker 12: brooks Side was on fire.

22:05 Speaker 2: Oh my god.

22:06 Speaker 12: And he was like, you know, he sent that to

22:08 Speaker 12: me and I was like, dude, I got to get

22:09 Speaker 12: over there. So I grabbed my bag, I sped over there.

22:11 Speaker 12: I was like two minutes away. By the time I

22:14 Speaker 12: got there, the fire department like already had the flames

22:16 Speaker 12: you know, dim and down. So, you know, thank you

22:19 Speaker 12: to Conquer Fire Department, all the other fire departments that

22:22 Speaker 12: were there.

22:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know it.

22:24 Speaker 12: That was one of the That was probably the first

22:26 Speaker 12: moment where I was like, oh, I need to grab

22:28 Speaker 12: my camera and go and you know, go to this

22:31 Speaker 12: without you know, warning or anything like that. It's a

22:34 Speaker 12: as a photographer, it's definitely another level of adrenaline when

22:38 Speaker 12: it's not a planned thing, right, I imagine, especially something

22:42 Speaker 12: like a fire h so I got there. I photographed

22:45 Speaker 12: the fire department at work and stuff like that, because

22:48 Speaker 12: that's another thing that people need to know about, is

22:50 Speaker 12: events like that and stuff because that also affects a

22:52 Speaker 12: lot of people because you know, after that event, there

22:54 Speaker 12: was a lot of people without homes. Again, it's also

22:57 Speaker 12: very scary thing because you know that that can happen

22:59 Speaker 12: really at any time, right, And it's also good to

23:02 Speaker 12: get those photos for the fire department, you know, so

23:05 Speaker 12: they have those. And yeah, it was very it wasn't

23:09 Speaker 12: necessarily what happened at the Capitol Building type of experience,

23:13 Speaker 12: but it was definitely still a very you know, crazy

23:15 Speaker 12: situation to walk up to and see what was going on.

23:18 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no doubt. Do you ever have anything happened

23:21 Speaker 2: where you you you go to photograph something and it

23:23 Speaker 2: winds up? I mean, are you ever disappointed? Like, like,

23:26 Speaker 2: do you ever find something isn't as interesting a photograph

23:29 Speaker 2: as you expected? Or has that ever happened?

23:31 Speaker 11: Oh?

23:31 Speaker 12: Yeah, There's definitely been those times, you know. But I

23:36 Speaker 12: feel like as a photographer, especially like as I gain

23:39 Speaker 12: more experience, you realize how to photograph things like that

23:43 Speaker 12: that might seem mundane or boring and stuff like that.

23:45 Speaker 12: You you really learn and you get that eye of

23:48 Speaker 12: like what I should actually capture instead of just being like, ah,

23:52 Speaker 12: well you know this, this isn't going well. You know,

23:55 Speaker 12: there's definitely that that thing. I try to keep it

23:58 Speaker 12: in the back of my head of you know, let's

24:00 Speaker 12: it's fine to something because there's there's always a story

24:03 Speaker 12: or there's always something to show people out there, you know,

24:06 Speaker 12: as I I kind of mentioned earlier that you know,

24:08 Speaker 12: even though Cockord is kind of a boring place to photograph,

24:11 Speaker 12: as long as you look, there's always something out there.

24:14 Speaker 2: Right right, no doubt. How I want to circle back

24:18 Speaker 2: to AI for a moment, because how do how can

24:21 Speaker 2: you tell like, like, do you have any advice for

24:24 Speaker 2: people who and and whatever we say about it today

24:27 Speaker 2: might not even matter, you know, a year from now,

24:30 Speaker 2: a month from now, who knows, because the technology moves

24:32 Speaker 2: so fast. But like if somebody says to you, for example, well,

24:37 Speaker 2: how do I know this photograph that you took is real?

24:39 Speaker 2: How do I know this is an AI?

24:41 Speaker 7: Like?

24:41 Speaker 2: What can you tell other than while I was there?

24:43 Speaker 10: You know?

24:43 Speaker 2: I mean, what what can you tell them or can't

24:48 Speaker 2: or is there anything you can you can say, really.

24:51 Speaker 12: Well, I have an SD card with raw files. Yeah. Yeah,

24:55 Speaker 12: but obviously I'm not going to show it to someone's

24:57 Speaker 12: house with my SD card and be like, well here

24:59 Speaker 12: you go.

24:59 Speaker 7: Yeah. There.

25:00 Speaker 12: There are definitely ways to tell if an image is AI.

25:03 Speaker 12: There's a lot of things that can factor into it.

25:06 Speaker 12: Is the equality of the image, because like, if if

25:09 Speaker 12: I have an actual camera, obviously it's not gonna look

25:12 Speaker 12: like it was taken off of a potato.

25:15 Speaker 2: Right right. Yeah.

25:16 Speaker 12: The other thing you look for is really just like

25:19 Speaker 12: human anatomy is like is there few extra fingers or

25:23 Speaker 12: are people's faces smudge together and stuff like that.

25:26 Speaker 2: Yeah, has a problem with fingers, Yeah, yeah, definitely.

25:29 Speaker 12: They have a very big problem with you know, getting

25:32 Speaker 12: those features down. So that's important to look for, you know,

25:35 Speaker 12: certain colors. There's things that just wouldn't make sense, you know,

25:38 Speaker 12: like a group of people merging together in like a blob,

25:41 Speaker 12: stuff like that. But it is getting harder and harder

25:43 Speaker 12: to tell. Like I don't know if you've seen the

25:45 Speaker 12: uh I believe it's called the Google VO three.

25:48 Speaker 2: Or something like that.

25:49 Speaker 8: I believe I know of it.

25:51 Speaker 12: Yeah, it's like people are able to create these like

25:53 Speaker 12: very realistic looking videos, and you got to look at

25:56 Speaker 12: the progression of AI, like I believe in like twenty

25:59 Speaker 12: twenty three is when it first really started to kind

26:01 Speaker 12: of emerge. If oh, you can create these AI videos

26:04 Speaker 12: of you know, like Will Smith eating spaghetti or something,

26:07 Speaker 12: and now it's merged into and you could clearly tell

26:10 Speaker 12: back then, oh this is AI, like his fingers are

26:12 Speaker 12: like disappearing into his face and stuff like that. But

26:15 Speaker 12: now it's kind of getting the point where it takes

26:19 Speaker 12: longer and longer to kind of look at it and realize, Okay,

26:22 Speaker 12: this is AI. And again, if that's the kind of

26:25 Speaker 12: progression it's had since twenty twenty three, I mean, could

26:28 Speaker 12: you imagine what it's gonna be like two years from now.

26:31 Speaker 12: And it is a very very scary thought because I mean,

26:34 Speaker 12: not only does that come into play when it comes

26:36 Speaker 12: to my job, of people saying this is fake, you

26:39 Speaker 12: got to think what that would do the world, especially

26:41 Speaker 12: when it comes to deep fakes. You know, people can

26:42 Speaker 12: make deep fakes a political leaders, celebrities or even of you,

26:45 Speaker 12: you know what I mean. It's a very real concern.

26:48 Speaker 12: And this is why I say, like it really is

26:50 Speaker 12: something that needs to be regulated because if it's not,

26:53 Speaker 12: it's gonna spiral out of control. And a lot of

26:56 Speaker 12: people think that way, So I don't really know why

26:59 Speaker 12: it's not really happening.

27:01 Speaker 2: I keep seeing these videos that show up in my

27:04 Speaker 2: feet on uh, like on on Facebook, I'll see these

27:06 Speaker 2: shorts of videos of like floods and and and like

27:11 Speaker 2: tsunamis and things. And one of the one of the

27:14 Speaker 2: ways I can always tell. I mean, I'm sure there's

27:17 Speaker 2: some of them that look so real that I can't

27:19 Speaker 2: tell they're fake. But but there is one tell and

27:21 Speaker 2: a lot of these is how the people in the

27:23 Speaker 2: videos react. Like you'll see this huge wave coming and

27:26 Speaker 2: people aren't.

27:27 Speaker 12: Running away, they just standing of some of them.

27:29 Speaker 2: Some of them are running awave, but some of them

27:30 Speaker 2: are just standing there like it's no, like they're not

27:32 Speaker 2: afraid of you know, It's like, okay, that's not how

27:34 Speaker 2: people would react in that situation. Everybody would run.

27:38 Speaker 12: It's like you can tell by their movements too, is

27:40 Speaker 12: like you know what I mean, Like their arm will

27:42 Speaker 12: spin all the way around or something like that. But again,

27:46 Speaker 12: especially when it comes to a lot of you know,

27:48 Speaker 12: older people, uh to say, they they are more attuned

27:52 Speaker 12: to believe things like that, you know, obviously, but and

27:55 Speaker 12: that also poses the other danger of you know, scammers

27:58 Speaker 12: have also been using stuff like that to lure people

28:02 Speaker 12: into just draining their accounts. And it is a very

28:06 Speaker 12: horrible situation and I hope that something is done about

28:09 Speaker 12: it rather sooner than later.

28:11 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know what can be done though, not

28:14 Speaker 2: to Yeah, no, absolutely.

28:15 Speaker 12: So that's the thing is we need to actually have

28:18 Speaker 12: conversations about this and you know, figure something out because

28:22 Speaker 12: it does need to be addressed. And that's where it starts,

28:24 Speaker 12: just having simple conversations with each other and be like,

28:26 Speaker 12: all right, what are we gonna do about this? You know,

28:28 Speaker 12: your stay in local legislators and just bringing it all

28:31 Speaker 12: the way up.

28:32 Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't know how you put this genie back

28:34 Speaker 2: in the bottle. I really don't. I mean, I honestly,

28:36 Speaker 2: I really don't. But but yeah, there are concerns. I mean,

28:42 Speaker 2: obviously a I can do can do some great things too.

28:44 Speaker 2: You know, we we've our first experience with AI actually

28:49 Speaker 2: live on the radio. We there's a couple of Pudo

28:53 Speaker 2: and Udio seem to be the two biggest ones where

28:55 Speaker 2: you can make music using AI yep, and we we

28:58 Speaker 2: did all an experiment on the show. I said, we

29:02 Speaker 2: had something where we had I guess who had canceled

29:04 Speaker 2: or something, but we always find ways to fill the time.

29:06 Speaker 2: So I said, let's, uh, this was something I'd kind

29:08 Speaker 2: of had in the back of my mind. Let's use

29:10 Speaker 2: the Tsuno app because I'd created an account and their

29:12 Speaker 2: free account is actually pretty generous, and let's just create

29:16 Speaker 2: a song live on the air. We'll we'll put in

29:19 Speaker 2: a prompt and we'll create and and oh my god,

29:21 Speaker 2: like they're so good, like they're legitimately good. Like it's

29:25 Speaker 2: not it's not like, oh, this is obviously aiah. You

29:29 Speaker 2: listen to it, you know what I mean. It's it's

29:31 Speaker 2: pretty incredible what what it can do. And you know,

29:34 Speaker 2: and I have mixed feelings about that because on one hand,

29:37 Speaker 2: because of where I come from in my background and

29:39 Speaker 2: what I do, you know, I will always always advocate

29:43 Speaker 2: for artists, for musicians and protecting them and everything. On

29:47 Speaker 2: the other hand, when you type in an idea and

29:51 Speaker 2: it creates this great song for you, it's like, this

29:53 Speaker 2: is pretty cool.

29:54 Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, it's like, what do you do that

29:57 Speaker 12: plays into it? Is, you know, people's jobs security and

30:01 Speaker 12: it just comes downstreet to like human creativity. No matter

30:05 Speaker 12: what AI can do, at the end of the day,

30:08 Speaker 12: humans created AI, and humans have done those things on

30:11 Speaker 12: their own without AI.

30:13 Speaker 2: Yeah, true, true, Yeah, it's uh. You know you mentioned

30:20 Speaker 2: too deep fake videos. And part of the part of

30:23 Speaker 2: the problem too is people will tend to just broadly speaking,

30:30 Speaker 2: even if you take AI out of the equation, people

30:32 Speaker 2: are easily fooled when they're being told something or shown

30:36 Speaker 2: something that they want to believe. Yeah. You know, we

30:40 Speaker 2: all carry, some people more than others, and we won't

30:43 Speaker 2: get into that, but you know what I'm talking about,

30:45 Speaker 2: but we all carry It's it's part of human nature,

30:48 Speaker 2: some degree of confirmation bias in our brains, and and

30:50 Speaker 2: so we're always all of us are more apt to

30:53 Speaker 2: believe certain things more easily, and so you know, if

30:58 Speaker 2: they comport with what we already think and believe or

31:01 Speaker 2: like to think and believe it. Therefore it's very very

31:06 Speaker 2: because that's the thing too. Even if there are tells,

31:10 Speaker 2: this is part of the problem. Even if there are

31:12 Speaker 2: certain ways that you can tell that something is AI,

31:16 Speaker 2: if you want to be fooled by it, you will be,

31:18 Speaker 2: you know what I mean.

31:19 Speaker 12: Yeah, if you want to be. I mean, even before AI,

31:22 Speaker 12: people were saying things were fake and they didn't believe

31:25 Speaker 12: them and stuff. That's why I truly feel like what

31:27 Speaker 12: I do to this day is still very very important,

31:30 Speaker 12: still relevant, you know, because there are a lot of

31:32 Speaker 12: people out there who might just be like, oh, you're

31:34 Speaker 12: just taking photos. I mean yeah, I mean, if you

31:37 Speaker 12: really want to simple it down like that. But at

31:40 Speaker 12: the same time, especially with AI and all this other stuff,

31:43 Speaker 12: it is very important for you know, people like me

31:45 Speaker 12: to get out there and document things and document things accurately.

31:48 Speaker 12: That's why I get photos of everything. I'm not just

31:51 Speaker 12: taking photos of one side or I'm not just taking

31:53 Speaker 12: photos of a select group of people. I get everything

31:56 Speaker 12: because at the end of the day, no matter what

31:58 Speaker 12: your beliefs are, the truth.

31:59 Speaker 2: Is absolutely oh well said, perfectly said. If you're just

32:03 Speaker 2: joining us, we're talking with photojournalists. Photo journalist tripped on

32:08 Speaker 2: that word. I should just say photographer, Andrew, No, but

32:12 Speaker 2: what you do is more than just photography, so it's

32:14 Speaker 2: important to it's important to get that out. Andrew Vorhees

32:18 Speaker 2: is here with us, and I also want to talk

32:20 Speaker 2: to you about you know, we've been talking about AI technology. Also,

32:23 Speaker 2: phones like your cell phone can take incredible pictures depending

32:28 Speaker 2: on what I mean. Some of the new phones, it's

32:30 Speaker 2: amazing what they can do. Is that a threat to

32:33 Speaker 2: what you do in any way?

32:34 Speaker 12: So when it comes to the phones, I don't believe.

32:36 Speaker 12: So I'm actually very glad that, you know, people who

32:40 Speaker 12: aren't able to get a super expensive or fancy camera

32:43 Speaker 12: can use their phone to document things like this, because

32:46 Speaker 12: there's not always going to be someone with a nice

32:48 Speaker 12: camera around to document things like that. So I actually

32:51 Speaker 12: think it's a good thing that other people have the

32:54 Speaker 12: ability to document events like this, even if it is

32:56 Speaker 12: just a cell phone. Do I think they're gonna take

32:58 Speaker 12: my job? Absolutely not. I mean you gotta look at

33:01 Speaker 12: just the things you can do with cameras. It's just

33:04 Speaker 12: on a whole other level. Yeah, the iPhones that they

33:07 Speaker 12: definitely have, the quality on them has gotten insane, But

33:10 Speaker 12: when we're talking about the level of photos and the

33:12 Speaker 12: storytelling that you can do with a camera, it's just

33:15 Speaker 12: on a whole new level. And I might be a

33:18 Speaker 12: little biased saying this as a photographer, I should. I mean,

33:22 Speaker 12: even before I was a photographer, it's what truly inspired

33:24 Speaker 12: me was photos with actual cameras. I feel like you

33:26 Speaker 12: get you're able to tell more of a story with

33:31 Speaker 12: a camera, and you're able to get a deeper understanding

33:35 Speaker 12: of things when it's actually taken by a camera. Sure,

33:38 Speaker 12: you know, but definitely I am Actually, I do believe

33:42 Speaker 12: it is a good thing that, you know, everyone can

33:45 Speaker 12: have the ability to document events because that is also

33:48 Speaker 12: very important too, absolutely, and you can see all sides

33:51 Speaker 12: in that way, you know. Yeah, And again, like I

33:54 Speaker 12: said earlier, the truth is important, you know whether again,

33:58 Speaker 12: it doesn't matter what your beliefs are as long at

34:00 Speaker 12: the end of the day, as long as the truth

34:01 Speaker 12: is what gets out there, that's what's important.

34:04 Speaker 2: Can you tell? Can can you tell if a picture

34:08 Speaker 2: was taken with a camera or a phone?

34:11 Speaker 12: Absolutely? Yeah, yep. Interesting, interesting, yeah, yep, yeah, it's it's

34:17 Speaker 12: I mean, especially as the photographer, it's very easy to tell.

34:20 Speaker 12: But if if you're not, it's very easy to give

34:23 Speaker 12: you a simple explanation and be like, oh, here, you

34:25 Speaker 12: know what I mean. That would actually be a pretty

34:27 Speaker 12: good test to do, actually, just to you know, test

34:30 Speaker 12: my eye a little bit, right right, Yeah, mainly because

34:32 Speaker 12: like the mainly the way you can tell is the

34:35 Speaker 12: depth of field is like when it comes to cameras crazy,

34:39 Speaker 12: but also I mean just image quality in general, like

34:42 Speaker 12: typically even now, like the more you zoom in with

34:44 Speaker 12: an iPhone, the worst and worse the image gets, you know,

34:48 Speaker 12: But if you're you know, someone like me who has

34:50 Speaker 12: like a two hundred millimeters lens, you can really get

34:52 Speaker 12: in there and it's still crystal clear.

34:55 Speaker 2: Interesting, Okay, that makes sense, Yeah, makes sense. So what

34:59 Speaker 2: you take the picture with is important.

35:01 Speaker 12: Raight gear is important, absolutely, because.

35:04 Speaker 2: I'm also curious too for anyone who's listening to this

35:05 Speaker 2: conversation who's interested in doing what you do, you know,

35:09 Speaker 2: that's that's something you probably want to impress upon people, right,

35:12 Speaker 2: like what you use you know, Yeah, yeah, it's fine

35:16 Speaker 2: to take pictures with your phone, but to do what

35:18 Speaker 2: you do, you know, you really need a professional camera.

35:22 Speaker 12: Right, yeah, absolutely, and especially like if you do want

35:26 Speaker 12: to do photography, you are definitely going to need a camera. Yeah,

35:29 Speaker 12: it's definitely an important thing. So what I would recommend

35:33 Speaker 12: doing is at first, like anything you know, even with photographers,

35:37 Speaker 12: like Okay, this seems like something I'm interested in, But

35:39 Speaker 12: there are some things where you're like, oh, I'm interested

35:41 Speaker 12: in this, but then you start doing it and you're like,

35:43 Speaker 12: I don't really like this, you know. So my recommendation

35:46 Speaker 12: would be too. Because there's actually a store here in

35:49 Speaker 12: Manchester called Hunts. It's a photos store. They you can

35:52 Speaker 12: actually rent a camera for like the day or the

35:55 Speaker 12: week and stuff, so interesting it would be my recommendation

35:58 Speaker 12: is to rent a camera, you know, for a day

36:01 Speaker 12: or a week or you know, whatever you think is adequate,

36:05 Speaker 12: rent out, you know, because you can actually rent lenses

36:07 Speaker 12: and stuff like that as well, So I would that

36:09 Speaker 12: would be my recommendation was to start out doing that,

36:12 Speaker 12: you know, renting and rent different types of cameras, like

36:15 Speaker 12: rent a Fujifilm or a Nikon or a Cannon or Sony,

36:19 Speaker 12: just to see what feels comfortable to you and what

36:22 Speaker 12: you know, aspects of certain brands that you like, right, yeah,

36:26 Speaker 12: because that is also very important in photography, is you know,

36:30 Speaker 12: it's not people aren't necessary. I mean people are as

36:34 Speaker 12: and you know any other community are very brand heavy.

36:36 Speaker 12: But at the same time it's really you know, just

36:38 Speaker 12: what are you most comfortable with, what do you like using,

36:40 Speaker 12: you know, what specs do you like about certain cameras?

36:43 Speaker 12: So yeah, just renting stuff out and just going out

36:46 Speaker 12: and just really taking pictures of anything. Yeah, like literally

36:49 Speaker 12: anything when you're starting out, just to not only be like,

36:52 Speaker 12: hey do I actually like this what I'm doing right now,

36:56 Speaker 12: and also learning the mechanics of the camera, learning you know,

37:01 Speaker 12: all that stuff, and just learning what to photograph, learning

37:05 Speaker 12: how to photograph it. It was very I mean I'm

37:08 Speaker 12: still definitely learning. I mean, no matter what you do,

37:11 Speaker 12: there's always room to learn and grow, and it's very

37:13 Speaker 12: very interesting. As someone who's very passionate about the work

37:16 Speaker 12: that I do, it's I'm always down to learn everything

37:20 Speaker 12: that I can when it comes to photography. So that

37:22 Speaker 12: that is another thing I would recommend is just learn. Yeah,

37:24 Speaker 12: you know, I have, like the majority of what I've

37:26 Speaker 12: learned I've done on my own with you know, YouTube

37:29 Speaker 12: and talking to those around me.

37:30 Speaker 7: You know.

37:31 Speaker 12: So that's the other aspect too, is you know, joining clubs,

37:33 Speaker 12: talking to other photographers, stuff like that can go a

37:36 Speaker 12: really long way.

37:37 Speaker 2: I wonder how many people are interested in doing this,

37:41 Speaker 2: but they but then they become overwhelmed because we kind

37:44 Speaker 2: of live in a culture where a lot of things well,

37:48 Speaker 2: now you're you're very young, Jenny and I were Gen X,

37:52 Speaker 2: so we're like the last generation that actually grew up

37:54 Speaker 2: pre Internet. And I wonder how many people are are

37:58 Speaker 2: just kind of just they get discouraged because it all

38:00 Speaker 2: is more complicated than maybe they expect, because they think

38:03 Speaker 2: they think it's going to be easy, because so many

38:05 Speaker 2: things are easy. Yeah, in terms of of just like

38:09 Speaker 2: you know, again, like taking pictures with your phone. They think, Okay,

38:12 Speaker 2: well I'm gonna be a photographer. Okay, I better get

38:15 Speaker 2: a real camera to do this. Oh there's a lot

38:17 Speaker 2: to learn, like different trying different cameras, like you said,

38:20 Speaker 2: trying different lenses and so forth. It's not like you

38:23 Speaker 2: just okay, now I have a real camera. Now I'm

38:26 Speaker 2: gonna go take some pictures and it's going to be

38:28 Speaker 2: great and I'm a professional. It's not like that. It's

38:30 Speaker 2: like any really, it's like anything else. You have to

38:32 Speaker 2: actually learn and spend the time. Yeah, you know, you've

38:35 Speaker 2: you've put the time in to learn all this stuff.

38:37 Speaker 2: But you know a lot of people they get impatient,

38:39 Speaker 2: they get frustrated, and you know.

38:42 Speaker 12: Yeah, you know, and honestly, I've been there. You know, yeah,

38:45 Speaker 12: you know, it's but really, again, once when you're passionate

38:49 Speaker 12: about something. You realize, hey, this is what I want

38:51 Speaker 12: to do. You stick through it, you know, on the

38:53 Speaker 12: highs and the lows. Yep, it is that, like I said,

38:56 Speaker 12: I mean happen to me, and it is definitely a

38:58 Speaker 12: very real thing that can happen where you're like, oh,

38:59 Speaker 12: this super easy. Because before I got a photography I'm like, oh,

39:02 Speaker 12: you're just pointing a camera and pressing a button.

39:04 Speaker 2: There's definitely more than that.

39:06 Speaker 12: But once you you know, sit there and you actually

39:09 Speaker 12: start learning a lot of it just makes I mean,

39:12 Speaker 12: for me, it just like that. It was just super

39:15 Speaker 12: quick and I was like, oh, okay, so that's what

39:18 Speaker 12: this setting does. That's what this does. Okay, awesome, And

39:21 Speaker 12: then you just kind of collectively take all the things

39:23 Speaker 12: that you've learned and just really when it comes to

39:26 Speaker 12: a camera, when you do one thing, it affects something else,

39:29 Speaker 12: so you know what I mean, Like when when you

39:32 Speaker 12: up your ISO, it adds more light into the camera,

39:35 Speaker 12: but it also makes the image more fuzzy, so stuff

39:37 Speaker 12: like that. So like almost every setting that you can

39:39 Speaker 12: mess with, it also messes with something else. And once

39:41 Speaker 12: you learn that really that those basic things you're not

39:46 Speaker 12: necessarily set, but you kind of you can from there,

39:49 Speaker 12: you can just go, you know, and it is definitely

39:53 Speaker 12: a very very interesting process because you know, as a photographer,

39:57 Speaker 12: the weather hates us. Oh yeah, so, and it also

40:02 Speaker 12: goes down to the gear that you have as well.

40:05 Speaker 12: The more gear you have, the different types of gear

40:07 Speaker 12: you have, the more you can do. Really, you can

40:09 Speaker 12: definitely do a lot with you know, I even have

40:12 Speaker 12: right now, you know, as a twenty year old, it

40:14 Speaker 12: doesn't have a lot of money. I only have, you know,

40:17 Speaker 12: one camera body and three lenses. Even with that you

40:20 Speaker 12: can do a lot, yeah, you know. But the the

40:23 Speaker 12: more equipment that you have and the type of equipment

40:25 Speaker 12: that you have, you can do a lot more. You

40:26 Speaker 12: can shoot indoors, you can shoot at night, you can

40:28 Speaker 12: shoot when it's cloudy, stuff like that. So really it

40:32 Speaker 12: might not even come down to you know, what you

40:34 Speaker 12: know and what you don't know. It just comes down

40:36 Speaker 12: to what tools do I have available?

40:38 Speaker 2: Yeah, have you been in situations you mentioned the weather.

40:41 Speaker 2: Have you been in situations where you needed to photograph

40:44 Speaker 2: something in weather that was challenging?

40:47 Speaker 11: Oh?

40:47 Speaker 12: Yeah, yeah, it's especially with you know, only one camera

40:50 Speaker 12: body and three lenses. It happens more more often, especially

40:54 Speaker 12: in the winter, I bet, especially in the winter. And

40:57 Speaker 12: I'm like, ah, because again, like lighting, lighting is a

41:02 Speaker 12: big thing when it comes to me. You know, it's

41:05 Speaker 12: it can be very especially indoors. You know, it like

41:08 Speaker 12: like this right now, it's very you know, well lit room.

41:10 Speaker 12: But if I were to you know, take my camera out,

41:12 Speaker 12: it's not gonna look so light right, especially with my

41:16 Speaker 12: my long lens. But you know, with my one point

41:18 Speaker 12: four you know, fifty lens in here, it would look

41:20 Speaker 12: pretty good. But again that's that's a very very short lens.

41:24 Speaker 12: You can't really zoom in and stuff like that. And

41:26 Speaker 12: that's the other thing. When you zoom in with a camera,

41:29 Speaker 12: it also gets darker as well. So oh okay, yeah,

41:33 Speaker 12: so it's very it can be very challenging when you're

41:36 Speaker 12: in a very big, open room and you're trying to

41:38 Speaker 12: get those you know, close up shots of you know,

41:40 Speaker 12: people talking and stuff like that or just you know,

41:43 Speaker 12: what have you whatever you're photographing. But again, it's just gear.

41:48 Speaker 12: There's there's so much out there. It's insane. Like I

41:51 Speaker 12: could literally look online for like hours and hours and

41:54 Speaker 12: be like, oh I want this, I want that, I want.

41:56 Speaker 12: So it's also very expensive.

41:59 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Do you have

42:03 Speaker 2: a favorite thing to photograph?

42:04 Speaker 15: Is there?

42:05 Speaker 2: Is there something anything in particular, like political events or

42:08 Speaker 2: is there anything that Yes?

42:10 Speaker 12: So I cover a lot of protest and I would say,

42:14 Speaker 12: not only is it my favorite thing to photograph, but

42:16 Speaker 12: it is definitely the thing that I'm best at.

42:19 Speaker 2: Yeah.

42:19 Speaker 12: Is just you know, telling people's stories of you know, resistance. Yeah,

42:25 Speaker 12: and it's I love. That's another thing that got me

42:30 Speaker 12: really interested in photography was I love talking to people.

42:34 Speaker 12: I love hearing people's stories, you know, the where did

42:36 Speaker 12: you come from? Why are you here? You know, just

42:38 Speaker 12: just learning about people is something that fascinates me.

42:42 Speaker 6: You know.

42:43 Speaker 12: I just love talking to fellow humans, you know, and

42:46 Speaker 12: telling their stories. To be able to not only tell

42:49 Speaker 12: their story, but show people their stories through the visual

42:53 Speaker 12: aspect of photography is just something I love.

42:57 Speaker 2: Yeah.

42:57 Speaker 12: And again it's also very important to document events like that. Again,

43:01 Speaker 12: no matter what your belief is, that's still history, you

43:04 Speaker 12: know what I mean, It's it's still history.

43:06 Speaker 7: Uh.

43:07 Speaker 12: And to be able to be at those events and

43:09 Speaker 12: meet the people that I meet, Uh, it's it's amazing,

43:13 Speaker 12: you know. And it again. It's it's like one of

43:14 Speaker 12: the things that I'm best at.

43:16 Speaker 6: Ye.

43:16 Speaker 12: I mean the quality of images that I've been able

43:19 Speaker 12: to get through those events is just insane, right you know. Also,

43:23 Speaker 12: another another thing that I really love the photograph is

43:25 Speaker 12: the motor the like motorsports.

43:27 Speaker 8: Love it.

43:28 Speaker 2: Oh really, I love it.

43:29 Speaker 12: It's so fun just to watch them jump up on

43:31 Speaker 12: their dirt bikes and stuff like that. It's great. I mean,

43:34 Speaker 12: that's awesome, is it?

43:35 Speaker 11: Ah?

43:36 Speaker 2: I would imagine part of I'm guessing tell me if

43:39 Speaker 2: I'm right that part of what's exciting about that is

43:41 Speaker 2: the challenge of getting like a really good sort of

43:43 Speaker 2: mat Yeah.

43:45 Speaker 12: And when you look back and then when I get

43:46 Speaker 12: home and I look back at my shots, I'm like, oh,

43:48 Speaker 12: it's so cool. Just there's just mid air. It's it's great.

43:52 Speaker 11: Uh.

43:52 Speaker 12: I do also like, I mean wildlife as well. It's

43:56 Speaker 12: just it's so cool. I've gone to the Boston Commons

43:59 Speaker 12: a lot because I mean, the squirrels will just walk

44:01 Speaker 12: right up to you. Oh really, yeah, it's great. I

44:03 Speaker 12: mean I literally have a photo of my uh my

44:06 Speaker 12: friend Bryce with an acorn in his hand, and the

44:09 Speaker 12: squirrels literally just like up against his hands. Really, yeah,

44:12 Speaker 12: grab the acorner hit out of his hand. Yeah, it's

44:14 Speaker 12: just super cool.

44:15 Speaker 8: And I mean a lot of.

44:17 Speaker 12: Street photography stuff is great as well. I mean, you know,

44:20 Speaker 12: I've taken photos of people in Boston just playing guitars

44:23 Speaker 12: on the side of the streets stuff like that. And again,

44:25 Speaker 12: it's like to other people that might seem like super mundane,

44:28 Speaker 12: but you're you're capturing a moment there, yeah, you know,

44:30 Speaker 12: and it's it's just with a camera. It's just it's

44:33 Speaker 12: so cool. Yeah, that's another aspect of love. And I'm like,

44:35 Speaker 12: this is so cool, right, right, Like it's great.

44:38 Speaker 2: Not only that, but if you take a picture of

44:40 Speaker 2: somebody with a guitar, you never know exactly right, You

44:45 Speaker 2: just never know.

44:47 Speaker 12: And that's the other cool aspect of it. And again,

44:49 Speaker 12: it's like when you as a photographer and you take

44:52 Speaker 12: a photo of someone, that's also a conversation initiated.

44:54 Speaker 7: You know.

44:54 Speaker 12: As I mentioned before, I love talking to people, and

44:56 Speaker 12: that's a great way to be like, hey, I got

44:58 Speaker 12: this super cool photo of you. Same time, some people

45:01 Speaker 12: might be like, hey, why did you take a photo

45:02 Speaker 12: of me?

45:03 Speaker 2: Which that's something I'm curious about too, so do you

45:06 Speaker 2: ever have someone who you know you want to take

45:08 Speaker 2: their picture and they and they say no.

45:11 Speaker 12: So I when it comes to me on my own,

45:14 Speaker 12: you know, when I'm out in public, I definitely do

45:18 Speaker 12: tend to ask people first. Or if it's for example,

45:21 Speaker 12: like if someone is you know, playing a guitar or

45:23 Speaker 12: actually like doing something, you know, I tend to take

45:26 Speaker 12: the photo first and then show it to them and

45:28 Speaker 12: then you know, if they want me to delete it,

45:30 Speaker 12: obviously I'm gonna respect their right to privacy and I'm

45:32 Speaker 12: gonna get rid of the photo. But I definitely do make,

45:37 Speaker 12: you know, initiation to actually ask people like, hey, can

45:40 Speaker 12: I take a photo of you? Because again, like I

45:41 Speaker 12: I'm very you know, big on privacy because I mean,

45:44 Speaker 12: I mean everyone should be. It's just respectful and you know,

45:47 Speaker 12: it's just common sense.

45:48 Speaker 2: Yeah.

45:49 Speaker 12: But I mean, I know, at the the rallies and

45:52 Speaker 12: stuff like that, I've had people come up to me

45:54 Speaker 12: and they like, are you a cop? And I'm like, no, really, no,

45:58 Speaker 12: I mean it doesn't really. I mean I got the

46:00 Speaker 12: short hair, I'm a tall yeah, I got my fit

46:03 Speaker 12: white dude who wears khakis and yeah, polo shirts a lot. Yeah,

46:07 Speaker 12: I totally get it, uh, And I totally get you know,

46:10 Speaker 12: people's worry about that stuff. But I'm like, no, I'm

46:13 Speaker 12: not a police officer. And they're like, oh, do you

46:15 Speaker 12: work for the press or something like that. I'm like no,

46:18 Speaker 12: I'm like just a dude, I promise.

46:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, like I'm with you, you know, yeah, you know.

46:23 Speaker 12: But I I kind of like laugh at it now,

46:26 Speaker 12: you know what I mean, because I'm like, well, I mean,

46:29 Speaker 12: do you see a bat? Like, no, I'm not a

46:32 Speaker 12: police officer. And it It actually happened a lot yesterday

46:35 Speaker 12: at the I was at the Portsmouth Airport photographing the

46:39 Speaker 12: anti ice protest there, and I did get like around

46:42 Speaker 12: three people who are like, hey, dude, are you are

46:44 Speaker 12: you a cop? And I was like, no, no, I'm

46:48 Speaker 12: not funny, Like I just take pictures like oh that's funny. Yeah,

46:54 Speaker 12: but you know, just having simple conversations with people and

46:57 Speaker 12: be like hey, no, you know, I'm just here to

46:58 Speaker 12: document the event and stuff like that.

47:00 Speaker 2: Yeah.

47:00 Speaker 12: Everyone that I've come across so far has been like Okay,

47:03 Speaker 12: you know, thanks for being here and stuff like that.

47:05 Speaker 12: And I do understand the worry that that. I mean,

47:08 Speaker 12: we do live in you know, pretty sketchy times, right,

47:10 Speaker 12: so I totally understand it.

47:12 Speaker 2: By the way, Todd Air of course from the Hanging

47:14 Speaker 2: Left podcast, and he is in the chat room. He says,

47:18 Speaker 2: love to go out and have you give me a

47:20 Speaker 2: refresher on photography, and he says he loves street photography

47:25 Speaker 2: as well. Very good, and we should mention, of course

47:27 Speaker 2: Todd from the uh yeah, Hanging Left. I guess you're

47:30 Speaker 2: coming on board with us officially, right, absolutely, so we'll

47:33 Speaker 2: have so Andrew and I and Todd. We host the

47:36 Speaker 2: Hanging Left podcast. You can find that online and it

47:40 Speaker 2: is on all your favorite podcasting platforms of course. But yeah,

47:47 Speaker 2: so you must you're with Todd every day, right because

47:49 Speaker 2: you both work on the campaign. We won't get into

47:52 Speaker 2: it in depth here, but the campaign. Do you want

47:54 Speaker 2: to mention the campaign?

47:55 Speaker 7: Ye?

47:56 Speaker 12: So I am a campaign photographer for Sarah Chidzinsky, she's

48:00 Speaker 12: running for congress here in New Hampshire. That's another thing

48:03 Speaker 12: that's that I was like, you know, back to what

48:06 Speaker 12: inspired me to do photography was not just you know,

48:09 Speaker 12: political rallies and protests and stuff like that, but also

48:11 Speaker 12: like my absolute dream is to be a white house photographer. Really, yes,

48:16 Speaker 12: that is I went to d C for my eighth

48:19 Speaker 12: grade field trip, and this was sort of where, like,

48:23 Speaker 12: you know, the first flame began of all. I really

48:25 Speaker 12: want to be a photographer. I've always been interested in history,

48:28 Speaker 12: you know, and you can't really be interested in history

48:31 Speaker 12: without being history and with you know, interested in politics

48:34 Speaker 12: hand in hand. Yeah, you know, it just doesn't really

48:36 Speaker 12: make sense for you to like history and then not

48:39 Speaker 12: like the thing that dictates like all of history.

48:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, of course.

48:43 Speaker 12: But I remember being there, you know, as like a

48:46 Speaker 12: twelve year old, thirteen year old kid, and I was

48:48 Speaker 12: just like, this is this is where I want to be.

48:51 Speaker 2: Yeah.

48:51 Speaker 12: Again, I had an iPhone at the time, and I

48:53 Speaker 12: was just taking pictures of everything.

48:54 Speaker 2: Yeah.

48:55 Speaker 12: I actually I still have a photo of me in

48:57 Speaker 12: front of the White House and I was like, that's

48:58 Speaker 12: where I want to be. Oh no, okay, I have

49:00 Speaker 12: actually have Pete So's's photo book. He was Obama's chief

49:05 Speaker 12: White House photographer the images. He was actually also Reagan's

49:08 Speaker 12: photographer as well.

49:10 Speaker 16: Yeah.

49:10 Speaker 12: So, I mean it's so interesting. He's an amazing guy,

49:13 Speaker 12: and the the types of photos and the quality of

49:17 Speaker 12: photos that that man was able to produce is insane really. Yeah,

49:22 Speaker 12: he's like, he's like one of those people that I

49:23 Speaker 12: look up to, you know, because I mean that's that's

49:26 Speaker 12: what I want to be right there in the Oval

49:28 Speaker 12: office photographing what's going on. Yeah, you know, it's just, man,

49:33 Speaker 12: I'm just I can nerd out about it for like

49:35 Speaker 12: the longest time. But it's great.

49:37 Speaker 2: Are there are there any specific photos that come to

49:41 Speaker 2: mind of of that are sort of iconic in your

49:43 Speaker 2: mind of of at the White House that that perhaps

49:46 Speaker 2: at gentleman, would you say his name was Pete?

49:48 Speaker 12: So I believe that's how you pronounce his name.

49:51 Speaker 2: Like, are there are there any specific photos you can

49:53 Speaker 2: think of that he's taken that you can describe that

49:55 Speaker 2: the the.

49:56 Speaker 12: One that comes from One of my favorite photos is

49:59 Speaker 12: the photo of Obama and his staff in the situation

50:02 Speaker 12: room during the bin Laden raid.

50:04 Speaker 2: That was the first one I thought of when you mentioned, yeah,

50:09 Speaker 2: photos from the White House. Yeah.

50:11 Speaker 12: I look at that photo almost every day, and it's

50:13 Speaker 12: like to capture a photo like that, it's just it's

50:19 Speaker 12: just insane. Yeah, I mean that, like it just blows

50:21 Speaker 12: my mind, like not only was he there in that

50:24 Speaker 12: moment in that room with all the super important people,

50:28 Speaker 12: he got to document that like that, like that is

50:30 Speaker 12: forever in history because of him. And that's just the

50:34 Speaker 12: thought of that's just insane, you know. And you know,

50:38 Speaker 12: even just like sort of the again what other people

50:40 Speaker 12: might think is like mundane, but like the photos of

50:43 Speaker 12: you know, one of Obama's daughters, like sneaking behind the

50:46 Speaker 12: couch to like surprise him. It's like when you think

50:49 Speaker 12: of the Oval Office, like in my brain, it's a

50:52 Speaker 12: super serious place and all this stuff. But I mean again,

50:54 Speaker 12: at the end of the day, like they're still human,

50:55 Speaker 12: right exactly, especially you know, you know, as young girls

51:00 Speaker 12: growing up in the White House, like they're still going

51:01 Speaker 12: to do all those kid things like you know, scaring

51:03 Speaker 12: or surprising they're dead. It's just that and again you

51:06 Speaker 12: it just shows like the humanity aspect and it's just

51:09 Speaker 12: that is that is one of the things that also

51:12 Speaker 12: I love about photography is just capturing humanity, Yeah, in

51:16 Speaker 12: its purest form. Yeah, and it's it's just great. I

51:19 Speaker 12: love it.

51:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. So that that's the long term goal.

51:22 Speaker 12: That's that's what that would be. To get to d

51:26 Speaker 12: C and to do that, Yeah, that would be insane.

51:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, no doubt. Absolutely, Oh yeah, Todd says too. Yeah,

51:36 Speaker 2: that's an amazing photo. He says, show Matt the protest

51:40 Speaker 2: photo you took of me after the show.

51:43 Speaker 12: I can definitely send that over to you.

51:45 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, definitely, absolutely absolutely. Oh the time goes

51:50 Speaker 2: so quick. Yeah, this has been wonderful. Yeah, you know,

51:54 Speaker 2: and looking forward to talking to you of course on

51:55 Speaker 2: the next hanging left as well. Absolutely, where should people

51:59 Speaker 2: go to uh to follow you online? And if they

52:02 Speaker 2: want to see I assume do you have a website

52:04 Speaker 2: or something where you put a lot of these photos?

52:06 Speaker 3: Are so?

52:07 Speaker 12: I So the website is Friday dash Photography dot com.

52:11 Speaker 2: Okay I do.

52:13 Speaker 12: I also am Friday Photography on uh Facebook as well.

52:19 Speaker 12: So the way to find that really is so the

52:22 Speaker 12: logo with the like Jason Voorhees esque hockey mask its.

52:25 Speaker 12: It's a play on my last name, you know, like Vorhees,

52:27 Speaker 12: Friday Photography, Friday the thirteenth. You know, yeah, a lot

52:30 Speaker 12: of people don't really know what that is, but you know, UH,

52:33 Speaker 12: look it up. Friday the thirteenth. That's a super good

52:35 Speaker 12: horror film. I believe it came out in the round

52:37 Speaker 12: the eighties.

52:38 Speaker 2: Friday the Thirteenth. Probably I never got I never got

52:42 Speaker 2: into those movies but early eighties, the early eighties.

52:46 Speaker 12: And you can also just search up my name on

52:49 Speaker 12: Facebook as well. I post all my stuff on there,

52:51 Speaker 12: and that's just as an Apple and d R E

52:54 Speaker 12: w V as the victor O O R H E

52:56 Speaker 12: E S. I'm also on Instagram Andrew dot Andrew dot

53:02 Speaker 12: V hold on, okay, let me right.

53:06 Speaker 2: Definitely, we won't make sure people can.

53:08 Speaker 12: Uh there you Andrew dot V thirteen on Instagram.

53:12 Speaker 2: Okay, okay, very good, very good.

53:16 Speaker 12: And for those who use blue Sky, oh yes, I

53:20 Speaker 12: am the camera guy thirteen dot b Sky dot Social.

53:26 Speaker 2: I'll have to find you on Blue Sky if I

53:27 Speaker 2: if I if we're not already connected. I I have

53:30 Speaker 2: Blue Sky, I I have the app on my phone

53:32 Speaker 2: and everything, but I forget to use it, you know

53:34 Speaker 2: what I mean.

53:35 Speaker 12: I'm not gonna lie to you like I do the

53:36 Speaker 12: same thing. I'm like, oh yeah that does exist. And

53:38 Speaker 12: I know a lot of people have switched from X

53:40 Speaker 12: to Blue Sky like that. So yeah, I do need

53:43 Speaker 12: to get on there a lot more.

53:44 Speaker 11: I know.

53:45 Speaker 2: Every every time I'm reminded of it's like, oh I

53:47 Speaker 2: got to do that, and then I I'll forget about

53:49 Speaker 2: it again. Well, very good. Well, Andrew Vorhees, thank you

53:52 Speaker 2: so much.

53:52 Speaker 12: This has been awesome.

53:54 Speaker 2: Absolutely, I'm sure we'll do it again in the future.

53:56 Speaker 9: Ye.

53:56 Speaker 2: Absolute, And I'll see you on the podcast The Well

53:59 Speaker 2: So Wonderful. Well, if you are listening live on Saturday,

54:02 Speaker 2: stick around Amber. Nicole Cannon is coming up in the

54:05 Speaker 2: second hour. Is she in the building, Jenny, She is

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54:22 Speaker 2: Saturday on Matt connorton Unleashed and Andrew thank you again, Yeah,

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