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Speaker 16: Welcome back everybody. We are well into our third hour New Marrow trace of Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from the studios of wm NH ninety five point three FM in Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire, streaming at Matt connorton dot com slash Live. Today is Saturday, September twenty one, two thy twenty four and we just heard a track called four and Ever and that is wisely done and we have Stephen Michael Done is here with us live in studio. Hello, welcome. Oh I don't have your mic up. I apologize for that.

Speaker 16: Let's try that again.

Speaker 17: Hello, Hello sir, there we go.

Speaker 16: We switched switched on Mike's at the last minute there, but now that sounds good, so welcome. It has been quite a long time since.

Speaker 17: You and I talked, Yes, sir, it's been a lifetime.

Speaker 16: I have interviewed you before. What it must have been like, literally like fifteen years ago.

Speaker 17: Yes, is that even possible?

Speaker 16: It's amazing. That doesn't even seem possible to me. It's funny because you would uh you had reached out to us and you had mentioned at the time you were in the band Supplication, and I remember, I think in your message you said something like I don't know if you remember me or and I was like, oh, of course I remember the band. And then I saw your picture on Facebook and I was like, oh, yeah, I totally remember you. But uh yeah, so that was yeah, that was quite some time ago. And you said I actually interviewed you twice back then.

Speaker 17: Yeah. Yeah, one was with our drummer and bass player, and the second one was just the bass player.

Speaker 16: Okay, Scott, right, Scott Perry. Yeah, Scott and I are still in touch. He did a podcast a few years ago called Courtesy Call, and I was I was involved in that a little bit, helped him with that.

Speaker 17: But oh fantastic.

Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I remember the interview with What I remember about the interview with you and Scott is that you were relentless and picking on him, you know, and it was it was in a fun way. Yeah, you know, it was obviously there was camaraderie, although there were a couple of moments there where he did seem legitimately frustrated.

Speaker 17: But I don't know, if you know the Jason Newstead situation where they where they hazed him ridiculous. Oh of course, yeah, that was it was we were kids and kind of ales, you know, that's it's what happens. He was new, No, it was.

Speaker 16: It was fun though. It was funny and all those all those interviews are still available online too. But jeez, I might have to go back and revisit that. Yeah, that was that was fun. But now how long were how long did you guys work together? In Supplication? That that was a while, right that that band went on?

Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean we took a four year hiatus just for families and issues and things, and we came back last year. Actually, okay, you know, stronger than ever. We got a new bass player. Oh very good fits the band, and there was no hazing period necessary. Yeah, we are all adults. Is a different time, yeah, yeah, no, it's like fifteen years.

Speaker 16: Yeah.

Speaker 17: I started in seven with them and wow around COVID area, took a break, yep, and then back at it.

Speaker 16: So Supplication so that exists. Now you guys are still doing that outstanding Good for you, Good for you. And in addition to that, so we have wisely done is the official name of this project.

Speaker 17: Yeah, and this and this is all you correct, Yeah, doing the drums, bass, guitars, vocals, mixing. I had to reach out for artwork. I wanted to do it myself. I'm somewhat of an artist, yeah, painter, but uh yeah.

Speaker 16: What what went into the decision to And obviously, like I said, you know, you've still got the band supplication, But what went into the decision because that's a lot to take on. Like, I've always been really impressed. You know, I'm a musician. I've played in bands, but I've never done anything where and I've always kind of wondered what it would be like to do something where I'm doing everything myself and it's, you know, entirely my vision, which it sounds like it would be very rewarding, but it also sounds like a hell of a lot of work and just an enormous challenge.

Speaker 16: So what what went into your decision to do this project?

Speaker 17: Originally I had a friend who was going to going to do vocals and he hevy already he took his life.

Speaker 16: So, oh my god, I'm sorry to hear that.

Speaker 17: Wow, I decided just to keep on trucking.

Speaker 16: Yeah, oh wow, that's terrible. So he was going to do the vocals and you were going to do everything else? Was that the original plan?

Speaker 17: Yeah, and I'm just like, no, I'm going to do this yeah wow.

Speaker 16: Oh that's horrible.

Speaker 1: But so.

Speaker 5: Was this?

Speaker 16: Is this the first project where you've done lead vocals.

Speaker 17: I've dabbled in doing solo stuff before, but never. The music was never this well put together. It was never I never saw it as presentable. Yeah, you know, yeah,

Speaker 17: but there was a copyright claim issue and that had a lot to do with the naming of everything. But I took a few years back, step back, and really worked on my songwriting and came back with this wisely done project.

Speaker 16: What was the I'm fascinated. Anything involving copyright and trademark is fascinating to me. Like what happened? What was the issue?

Speaker 17: So I didn't know because I'm I'm foolish and this was beyond my time. But there was a band whom name was sam Hean, but they didn't copyright the name, and for me, it was a super I had a super like black metal mindset.

Speaker 14: You know.

Speaker 17: Yeah, so I thought that was perfect, perfect name, perfect name. Didn't look into it, just like released the album, you know, Oh no kidding, yeah. Yeah, you know, it didn't go anywhere, but that's fine. And they talked to me like hey, and I was like, oh ho, I didn't know.

Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, a lesson learned.

Speaker 17: Yeah quite Yeah.

Speaker 16: Now does any of this music and uh and we'll play some more of it as we go. But does any of this also cross over into Supplication or are you keeping this all completely separate?

Speaker 17: Yeah? No, I was really influenced by black metal music and I was trying to bring that into supplication and it didn't work. It didn't jive with the guys, It didn't you know what I mean. So this is all separate.

Speaker 16: Okay, Okay, that surprises me actually that you weren't able to because from what I remember about Supplication, I mean, it's pretty pretty well. The sound may have changed, though I haven't heard you guys in a in a long time.

Speaker 17: More less shreddy, more consistently groovy okay you know, slam yeah yeah yeah, chugging along.

Speaker 16: Yeah, and with this material, I mean, do you have any plans to perform this in any way? I'm not. I'm not sure how you would do it. It's just you.

Speaker 17: But there is a one man band out there called Putrid. Pile who goes out and tours and he's he's a legend now, but he's been doing that for like twenty years. I couldn't see myself doing that, but I could see myself consistently releasing records. Yeah, you know, in a timely manner.

Speaker 16: And this has a lot of tracks, which is interesting to me because you know, we live in a time where you can you can do it so many different ways. You know, some artists just released singles. Some artists will release a series of singles with the goal ultimately for it to become an album. You know, sort of the inverse of how it used to be. You release an album and then you release singles from the album. Some artists just only release singles and that's all they ever do. Some release an EP. You know, we had the Forest Forgets on in the first hour, and they have an any EP that just came out.

Speaker 16: We went into your decision to make a full album because again, it's like you've already you've already taken on the responsibility of doing this all yourself. You're not only doing it all yourself, but you're you're made a whole album out of this.

Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean that was the goal to begin with. It was never It was never about you know, getting music out there and just doing it. It was doing it for myself and doing it for doing it for them, for the memory of it.

Speaker 16: Yeah. But is it uh? Is it something that I don't know if? Well? Is there less pressure in terms of liking supplication? Obviously being in a band with a bunch of guys, you know, you want to do as much as you can in terms of you want as large an audience as you can get and whatnot and play all these shows and stuff. So is this as a solo project, is this more kind of you don't have that pressure?

Speaker 7: Uh?

Speaker 17: Yeah, I can just pretty much do what I want. I you know, just I suppose I can release singles and do everything like that. I just wanted to get this out there.

Speaker 16: Yeah, you know, I.

Speaker 17: I have I have my next record in mind, you know, I just want to keep going with some music.

Speaker 16: Yeah yeah, yeah, Oh that's that's awesome. Uh, well, we can play another track. Do you have a what what do you have in mind? And put you on the spot here?

Speaker 17: How about praise? Praise?

Speaker 18: Gotcha?

Speaker 16: Any kind of a story behind this?

Speaker 17: Yeah? Absolutely, it's basically you know, reflecting on my upbringing and now that I have a sun, how it reflects with him and how it's basically full circle.

Speaker 16: And yeah, so this is a very personal song. Yeah, sounds like yeah.

Speaker 17: This whole album, it's very different from Supplication. It's which which is you know, normal death metal. This is very personal everything on the record.

Speaker 16: So yeah, all right, let's give this a listen. This is wisely done and the track is called Praise.

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Speaker 12: Oh yo go so yes, why I go by a by.

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Speaker 16: The track is praise the artist is wisely done here with us live in studio, and yeah, we're talking off air a little bit about the track. You know, you were pointing out how you kind of do a thing there where the chorus that actually slows down instead of speeding up like you might like you might expect, and it sounded like too. Was there another were the vocals layered in that?

Speaker 17: Yeah?

Speaker 16: Sounded yeah, it kind of added some texture to it that I liked.

Speaker 17: I am not brave enough to do a solo take right right.

Speaker 16: I'm always fascinated too by singers who can do that. We talked about this a little bit with Griffin from the Forest Forgets. You know, in their music, you know, he sings it clean for the most part, but then there's some there's some screams, usually kind of toward the end as the song builds. But to be able to sing like that, what what is your like? Do you have any kind of a protocol to kind of protect your voice, protect your vocal chords, because I would imagine that. I mean, if I tried to do that, I'd probably destroy my larynx or something.

Speaker 16: Do you how do you do that? And how do you learn to do that?

Speaker 17: Basically singing along to songs you like songs, you know, but if there's any pressure in your throat or anything like that, you're not doing it right. You're supposed to come from your gut, yeah, you know, the tone comes from your throat. If you think of it like that. Yeah, and also how you position your tongue if you put it in the roof of your mouth and.

Speaker 16: Yeah, I don't want to yeah yeah, yeah. Griffin was kind of saying too, if as long as like it's not it sounds difficult, but it's not difficult if you learn to do it correctly, which is important too, because if you learn to do it correctly, you're a lot less likely to hurt yourself, you know, because there's no shortage of stories of you know, singers who've had to have you know, usually as when they get older, they have to have throat surgeries and you know, because they've put all this stress and strain on their vocal cords over the years.

Speaker 16: But was it, uh, have you always been able to do that? Because I would imagine like, do you do backing vocals in supplication?

Speaker 17: Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, so you already had that that skill, Yeah, pretty much. It was it was learning to try to to sing normally. That's the key.

Speaker 16: That's the hard right, right, There's that it's it's kind of a famous among musicians. What is it called the zen of screaming? Do you know the she's a teacher, Yeah, she's a vocal coach.

Speaker 17: Yeah.

Speaker 16: I think it's called the Zen of Screaming and uh, and she has a DVD or now you know, you probably just stream it now. But that that I've been hearing about from from singers who sing those aggressive vocals for probably twenty years now. But but I guess she kind of she's known. I wish I could remember her name, but I guess right, I guess she's known for being kind of the best teacher in terms of again, how to do that, how to do that safely. But when you're recording this music and you're singing like that, you have to take Do you have to take breaks and kind of let your your vocal chords recover or are you able to just maintain that?

Speaker 17: No, I can pretty much roll with it. I'll do a verse, you know, I'll I'll mix it a little bit. I'll do the underlaying verse and then just move on.

Speaker 16: Yeah.

Speaker 17: So I mean I can do it for six hours just wow, well, you know, just kind of I guess it ebbs and flows. Yeah, I'm not screaming on minutes on end, right right, right?

Speaker 16: And can you tell me about your recording process. I'm you know, I'm a recording nerd. I love hearing about this stuff, and you know, it's funny, just as we were talking earlier about especially you know since the last time I interviewed you. Uh, there's so many different ways now to release music. There's also so many different ways now to record music. You know, you can you can go to a recording studio like a lot of our guests, for example, they go to Eric Sotter at Blackheart. You can do that and and get great results.

Speaker 16: But you can also if you know what you're doing, you can record in your living room and get great results too. What's what's your process?

Speaker 13: What?

Speaker 7: What?

Speaker 16: How did you record this music?

Speaker 17: This is as de i y cheap as possible, the total black metal essence if you know anything about black metal recording on a little you know, tape tape recorder, yeah, essence. But now new in the new age, just starting mostly USB USB microphones, electronic drums. I got an SD twelve hundred kit and that I tweaked it to make it sound as real as possible, so hopefully you wouldn't be able to tell. But as actual writing and that goes, I start with guitar, get the skeleton of the song, and then I'll click it out with a metronome and then record drums to the scratch guitar, oh for real interesting, and then I'll do real guitars over that and real you know everything else.

Speaker 16: Yeah, so for you, So it's easiest to get that scratch guitar track down first, so you know where you are in the song, and then you do the Yeah, the drums do sound realistic. That's another thing too, that's amazing about I know, because there was a time when you know, you could tell right like like twenty years ago if you heard something I mean, not necessarily something recorded with a drum machine and a million dollar studio, because they would obviously have a very very good drum machine. But you know, if you listen to somebody's demo and it was done with a drum machine, you could tell, yeah, you know what I mean.

Speaker 16: But now the drum sounds are so. We had a guest on a couple of years ago. I forget his actual his government name as they say, but he has a project called Downhill Rollers and it's all him and I just I was floored when he told me that those were pre program drums on pro program drums on his tracks, because they sounded so realistic. I was like, I can't believe you got such a realistic you know, I mean, it really does sound like a live drummer. I know some of these programs too, they have I think they just call it a humanizer effect, where you can that you can put on so that it so that it's not quite perfect.

Speaker 17: So that that sounds wild to me. I know, right, No, this is not quantized to be corrected. This is not you know, this is not that.

Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, no, so that's uh, that's amazing. Is the process? Like if you could put an average on it, how long does it take? How long did it take you to record each track?

Speaker 17: Each song on this album, between like writing itself and recording and everything that goes along with it, probably one hundred hours of track no kidding, wow, I mean that's a lot of mixing and too, So that's accounting everything.

Speaker 16: So you do all the mixing yourself and everything.

Speaker 17: Yes, unfortunately that is the most tedious. I dislike that the most.

Speaker 16: Yeah yeah, well yeah, You're fatigue is probably a big problem, right sir.

Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, I don't know if you guys know that. Me where it's a I've been working on my record for six hours all night and now it sounds worse.

Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, yeah do you have to Yeah for listeners who don't know, uh, you know, if if you listen to something over and over again as you're working on it, you kind of get you know, part of it is psychological, right, you kind of get sick of it, and part of it I think, I think there is a physical ear fatigue too that can happen, especially you know if you've got your headphones really loud because you don't want to miss anything, but then you know, you start to get your ears are ringing. You've got tonight, this and the you know, the whole deal.

Speaker 16: So yeah, I mean you probably I assume over the course of this project there were probably many a moment that you had to just get up and walk away from it.

Speaker 17: Right you know, yeah, no, absolutely, it I I quantify like trying to move a mountain with a bucket. It's like just a little bit at a time. Yeah, you know, it's a daily process. It's something you got to do every day. It's like working out, you know, Yeah, you've got to do it, got to build momentum and.

Speaker 16: You know, yeah, how do you say motivated? I mean do you over the course of recording this, did you ever have a moment where you thought, I don't know if I don't know if I'm on the right the right track here, no pun intended.

Speaker 17: But yeah, only all the time? Yeah really, yeah, no, I I was pretty dead set on what I wanted to do. There was there was a few songs that didn't make the record. Yeah, but motivation wise, it just came from came from losing my buddy.

Speaker 16: H So, yeah, do you plan to You strike me as someone who probably writes a lot. I assume you have other music that you've written. Do you plan to continue past this album? Do you plan to do another one in the future? Yeah?

Speaker 17: My next one is Uncherished. I have nine songs ready for it.

Speaker 16: Oh wow. Yeah, yeah, so you're already you're already working on it.

Speaker 17: I've been. I've been sitting on this record for a little while.

Speaker 16: Yeah, so.

Speaker 17: You know, over the past few months, just been writing and letting those juices flow and all that.

Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, outstanding. Well, let's yeah, let's play Yeah, oh yeah, we got plenty of time. Let's play another one. What should we play next?

Speaker 17: Queen or King Ween or King?

Speaker 16: All right? And why am I not seeing that I'm seeing Queen of Queen of Escalation?

Speaker 17: Yeah?

Speaker 16: Oh is that it?

Speaker 17: Yeah? Let's roll with that.

Speaker 16: Oh, I see you weren't saying okay queen or uh I'm sorry. Oh you were offering me two options because you have you have Queen of Escalation and King of inattention.

Speaker 17: Okay, all right, I'm taking shots at myself and everyone else.

Speaker 16: What's the okay, so Queen of Escalation will play and what's a story behind this one?

Speaker 17: Just a significant other at the time and a relationship song. Yeah, yep. Can never win, you can never get ahead. You can never You know, everyone's been there, so I hope not everyone.

Speaker 16: But I have to ask has she heard this that you know of?

Speaker 2: Yes?

Speaker 16: And what how do she like it?

Speaker 1: Yeah?

Speaker 17: Just into it?

Speaker 16: She is good?

Speaker 17: Okay, good, no love loss?

Speaker 16: Okay, that's good. All right, Let's give this a listen. This is Queen of Escalation by Wisely Done.

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Speaker 16: That is Queen of escalation. The project is wisely done and we have Stephen Michael done with us here live in studio, and that is all him and very very cool.

Speaker 16: Now are you in terms of going forward with this?

Speaker 7: Uh?

Speaker 16: Will? Because you you mentioned was it I forget enough?

Speaker 11: It was?

Speaker 16: Oh no, it was on Eric. Yeah, we're talking about the next project. You've already got songs written and ready to go. Yes, do you have a theme in mind for that project as well, because this one seems to have you know, you told us kind of the backstory of how this came about. Is is there some sort of a theme with the next album or is it just going to be more of a collection of songs or.

Speaker 17: In the same way that this is a collection of songs we're loosely based around you know, myself and everything in my life. Yeah, it'll be more of the same. Yeah, but the music is I think stepped up, and I I I'm definitely taking notes from this album.

Speaker 16: Yeah. Yeah. Will you will your approach change or I mean in terms of because again, you know, you're doing everything yourself, so that gives you the freedom to really kind of do it however you want. Will your your process change at all? Or do you think you're gonna do it pretty much the same way.

Speaker 17: I'm gonna do it the same way. The songs are a little simpler. I can do more layers with guitars and more harmonies, more solos. Yeah, yeah, improve to me anyway. Yeah, yeah, it feels it feels good to me. They feel good.

Speaker 16: Do you intend to bring in any guest musicians or guest vocalists or anything like that, or is it important to you to kind of keep this, keep this as your you know, your expression and so forth.

Speaker 17: I'd never considered it to be honest. Yeah, I think I'm just gonna keep it just just from how from how it started with me and my buddy. I think I'm gonna keep it just me.

Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Does anybody from Supplication ever say hey man, i'd like to I'd like to help you with this or do they do they understand that this is this is yours and you want to keep it separate.

Speaker 17: No, they're they're definitely cool with it. They they helped me pick songs and yeah, you know good. You know, it's not like, oh yeah, he's he's doing his thing when he has time, right right.

Speaker 16: No, that's good, that's good that there's no issues there.

Speaker 17: But that's how this whole thing came about.

Speaker 7: You know.

Speaker 17: I was like, you know, we're not really getting a lot of things done in the band. It's taken a long time. It's taken years. I'm just gonna learn how to play drums. Yeah, and then you know, ten fifteen years later.

Speaker 16: Yeah, we should explain to people too who are listening who might not know. You know, we've referred to this genre as black metal. Can you define that for our listeners who.

Speaker 17: Well, it's definitely not true black metal because that matters because these people are very elitist and categorical and keeping and don't listen to me. It's metal with some black metal influences. Okay, but definitely has the spirit, yeah, the lo fi spirit.

Speaker 16: Yeah.

Speaker 17: Yeah, black metal itself like from the eighties, like the whole you know, Norwegian stuff, Yeah, Satanic panic and all that. And then forty years later it's just kind of a influence.

Speaker 16: Yeah. I mean it's tricky when you get into genres and labels and everything, because you're right, I mean, people people argue over you know, what is well, first of all, people have difficulty even agreeing what is quote unquote metal. You know, some some people have a very narrow definition of metal. Some people think that only the very heaviest of metal is truly metal. Yeah, and some people think a band like Poison, you know, we used to call it hair metal. You know, it's like, well metal though, is that?

Speaker 16: You know, it's it's uh, you know, nobody agrees.

Speaker 17: Or a kid might say now like oh Disturbed or five Finger Death Punch like yes, okay, they are they are metal, yes, but whether or not those who are into metal like them.

Speaker 16: Right, Yeah. Yeah, I worked in so I used to uh, well when an interview do before I was working there actually at Strawberries you remember Strawberries, Oh yeah, I love that. Yeah, And and then eventually Fye because they bought us. But I worked in different locations over the years with that company, and there was one there was one location. You know how the CDs, remember, they would be broken out back category, so you add most of the stores, you know, like anything popular. You know, we had like we had a pop, R and B rock section which is what dominated the store, which would basically, you know, like you would have Disturbed in there, but you would also have Jennifer Lopez in There was just kind of everything sure, you know, everything that wasn't cansidered quote unquote niche or niche I guess now everyone says niche, but.

Speaker 17: There was world.

Speaker 16: Yeah, there was one location that I worked in that actually had a metal section because I guess they felt that it I can't remember which one it was, but I guess they felt that it was appropriate for that location. But it was weird because I always thought it was just awkward because inevitably, you know, people would come in and they'd be looking for things in the metal section that wouldn't be there that they thought should be there, but they'd be in this broader pop rock section and there and there'd be people who would be like, well, you know, they'd find things in the metal section that you know, they didn't think should be there, and they would would complain about that.

Speaker 16: And that same location we also had a punk section, and you can imagine what a nightmare that would be, you know, because you know, you put Green Day in there and then people are mad about it. You have great well, you know, we generally consider them a punk band, but why they're not real punkin.

Speaker 17: You know, it's just like, do we need a pop punk section?

Speaker 7: Yeah?

Speaker 16: It just we probably should have had one. But you know, when you get into the labels and the genres and everything, it's tricky.

Speaker 2: Yeah.

Speaker 17: Yeah, I've found so many random fines and fantastic albums just through through looking. I missed, I miss actual CDs? Yes, absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 16: Do you plan to release release this on or maybe you already have a CD?

Speaker 17: Or I want to get it picked up my label and just do a small yeah, you know, one hundred five hundred thousand whatever it is.

Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, no, that's that's great. His supplication. Do you guys have anything out on CD earlier?

Speaker 17: Yeah? I almost gave you one, but I'm a terrible test that's all right. It was from two years ago. We had an album. Okay, I can't tell you a little record label, but yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll have we'll have a new EP coming out next year. Oh excellent, excellent, we got eight songs.

Speaker 16: That's another thing I remember from my days at Strawberries was when everyone would talk about, oh see, you know, because like I was working there when Napster first became a big deal, and uh, everybody was like, oh, that's the end of CDs, you know, and then Napster kind of faded. But then Spotify came in and you know, iTunes and everything, and everybody was like, oh, that's the end of CDs. And here we are in twenty twenty four and there's still you know, like our first guests, the Forrest Forgets gave us a CD.

Speaker 16: You know, there's still lots of CDs. Guest, Yeah, all right, that's all right. It's the thought that counts.

Speaker 17: Yeah, I did. I was, I was here, I was on the throne. I'm like, yeah, I should totally get them something, right.

Speaker 10: But you're no, I didn't need to know where you were thinking.

Speaker 17: Oh come on, that doesn't matter.

Speaker 16: It's fine. Some of them were men. We do our best thinking there, right.

Speaker 17: I was on the drum throne.

Speaker 16: Right, that's that's that's clearly what you meant.

Speaker 17: Yes, highlight.

Speaker 16: And what about any kind of visual representation for any of these songs? You plan to do any any kind of videos or anything.

Speaker 17: Yeah, you know Rob Thomas kid very well, Yeah he does, he does his video.

Speaker 16: Oh he's killing it right now.

Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, he found his.

Speaker 16: Fourth Kind films niche yep, yep, Yeah, Rob's doing great. I've interviewed him. He actually, he might hold the record for a number of times interviewed by me. Oh, I've probably interviewed him. Not quite double digits, but close.

Speaker 17: He is relentless in his work.

Speaker 16: Yes, yes, and he's fascinating to talk to, a great guy, so talented. But I think the next time I interview him, because I'm sure we'll have him on the show again soon. Uh it may it may not be as Kadaver, it may be as as as Rob. Because I think he's kind of now that he's so successful with Fourth Kind Films, I think he's kind of leaving Kaydaver behind.

Speaker 17: Yeah yeah, yeah, sorry, I didn't know it on the spot, but oh.

Speaker 16: The Fourth Kind of Films Yeah yeah, yeah, but no, he's he's doing fantastic. Yeah, so you're gonna do a video with him? Yeah, excellent, very cool. Do you know what what track yet?

Speaker 17: Or I have absolutely no idea? Yeah, it's such a It was pulling teeth trying to figure out which songs I was gonna play here?

Speaker 16: Yeah, the way here Yeah, yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Well we do, we have time, we'll we'll play uh, we'll play one more. In a moment, I was thinking maybe we should play the We'll play the King of an attention since we played the Queen of Escalation.

Speaker 17: All right, sounds good?

Speaker 16: And I have a feeling and not just because of the royalty presented by the titles, but I have a feeling these are these are these songs connected? Is this also a relationship related song?

Speaker 17: Yeah? Yeah? Taking shots at myself this time?

Speaker 16: Ah yes, same same relationship.

Speaker 17: Though, or that and with added context of my son. Oh okay, he's uh, he's a very bright little boy, but he's also he's also special needs. Okay, Okay, there's there has been blame and there has been heartache and it's been a long road.

Speaker 16: Yeah no, that's that's uh, that's challenging though, So you know, good, good for you to be able to handle that, Oh, thank you and absolutely absolutely. And where should people go online? I want to make sure everyone knows where to find your music. Where's the best place to go?

Speaker 17: Facebook, Apple, Amazon, pretty much all the little streaming services that people use and don't. Yeah, yeah, right now. You can get hold of me pretty much every day on TikTok. Okay, that's been a big thing at Stephen Michael Dunn. But I'm always posting wisely done stuff and I'm posting supplication stuff.

Speaker 16: And yeah, excellent, excellent, very good. So we'll we'll hit that track in a moment. And Jenny, you want to plug your your website, sure you.

Speaker 20: Can check out more on me gencoffee dot com j E N N co o f f ui dot com. And don't forget one of my paintings is hanging at the Mosaic Art Collective, part of the Full Circle the Speed of Light Show, which is on exhibit for the month. Check it out at sixty six Hanover Street here in the Queen City.

Speaker 16: Yes, and that will be up until the end of September, the end of the month. Yeah, the painting, yeah, yeah, very good.

Speaker 20: And they are doing in our call right now. For the next show on spell Bounds. We'll go check it out, submit your.

Speaker 16: Work, yes, yes, and let's see so if you miss any part of today's show and we'll be up in just a little bit at wmnhradio dot organ in my website Matt Connorton dot com. Thank you again, of course to the Forest Forgets for joining us in the first hour and of course in the second hour we had justin from four HM Clothing along with Joey Painter here and really loved speaking with them and Stephen Michael done. Thank you again so much, my friend for reaching out. It's great to see you. It's been it's been a long day as well.

Speaker 17: Yes, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 16: Where do the years go? And as we get older the time goes quicker if you notice, absolutely it's not a good thing. It's not a good thing.

Speaker 17: I don't remember. But what did you eat last week? Exactly?

Speaker 15: All right?

Speaker 16: So we will we will close out with this. This is uh wisely done, is the project, and this is called King of Inattention.

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