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9:09 Speaker 16: Welcome back everybody. We are well into our third hour

9:12 Speaker 16: New Marrow trace of Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are

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9:23 Speaker 16: connorton dot com slash Live. Today is Saturday, September twenty one,

9:28 Speaker 16: two thy twenty four and we just heard a track

9:32 Speaker 16: called four and Ever and that is wisely done and

9:34 Speaker 16: we have Stephen Michael Done is here with us live

9:37 Speaker 16: in studio. Hello, welcome. Oh I don't have your mic up.

9:41 Speaker 16: I apologize for that. Let's try that again.

9:44 Speaker 17: Hello, Hello sir, there we go.

9:46 Speaker 16: We switched switched on Mike's at the last minute there,

9:49 Speaker 16: but now that sounds good, so welcome. It has been

9:54 Speaker 16: quite a long time since.

9:57 Speaker 17: You and I talked, Yes, sir, it's been a lifetime.

10:00 Speaker 16: I have interviewed you before. What it must have been like,

10:04 Speaker 16: literally like fifteen years ago.

10:06 Speaker 17: Yes, is that even possible?

10:08 Speaker 16: It's amazing. That doesn't even seem possible to me. It's

10:10 Speaker 16: funny because you would uh you had reached out to

10:12 Speaker 16: us and you had mentioned at the time you were

10:16 Speaker 16: in the band Supplication, and I remember, I think in

10:19 Speaker 16: your message you said something like I don't know if

10:21 Speaker 16: you remember me or and I was like, oh, of

10:22 Speaker 16: course I remember the band. And then I saw your

10:24 Speaker 16: picture on Facebook and I was like, oh, yeah, I

10:26 Speaker 16: totally remember you. But uh yeah, so that was yeah,

10:31 Speaker 16: that was quite some time ago. And you said I

10:32 Speaker 16: actually interviewed you twice back then.

10:35 Speaker 17: Yeah. Yeah, one was with our drummer and bass player,

10:38 Speaker 17: and the second one was just the bass player.

10:40 Speaker 16: Okay, Scott, right, Scott Perry. Yeah, Scott and I are

10:43 Speaker 16: still in touch. He did a podcast a few years

10:48 Speaker 16: ago called Courtesy Call, and I was I was involved

10:52 Speaker 16: in that a little bit, helped him with that.

10:54 Speaker 17: But oh fantastic.

10:55 Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I remember the interview with What

10:59 Speaker 16: I remember about the interview with you and Scott is

11:02 Speaker 16: that you were relentless and picking on him, you know,

11:07 Speaker 16: and it was it was in a fun way. Yeah,

11:10 Speaker 16: you know, it was obviously there was camaraderie, although there

11:12 Speaker 16: were a couple of moments there where he did seem

11:14 Speaker 16: legitimately frustrated.

11:15 Speaker 17: But I don't know, if you know the Jason Newstead

11:19 Speaker 17: situation where they where they hazed him ridiculous. Oh of course, yeah,

11:23 Speaker 17: that was it was we were kids and kind of ales,

11:27 Speaker 17: you know, that's it's what happens. He was new, No,

11:30 Speaker 17: it was.

11:30 Speaker 16: It was fun though. It was funny and all those

11:33 Speaker 16: all those interviews are still available online too. But jeez,

11:37 Speaker 16: I might have to go back and revisit that. Yeah,

11:39 Speaker 16: that was that was fun. But now how long were

11:43 Speaker 16: how long did you guys work together? In Supplication? That

11:46 Speaker 16: that was a while, right that that band went on?

11:49 Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean we took a four year hiatus just

11:53 Speaker 17: for families and issues and things, and we came back

11:57 Speaker 17: last year. Actually, okay, you know, stronger than ever. We

12:03 Speaker 17: got a new bass player. Oh very good fits the band,

12:06 Speaker 17: and there was no hazing period necessary. Yeah, we are

12:09 Speaker 17: all adults. Is a different time, yeah, yeah, no, it's

12:13 Speaker 17: like fifteen years.

12:15 Speaker 16: Yeah.

12:15 Speaker 17: I started in seven with them and wow around COVID area,

12:20 Speaker 17: took a break, yep, and then back at it.

12:24 Speaker 16: So Supplication so that exists. Now you guys are still

12:27 Speaker 16: doing that outstanding Good for you, Good for you. And

12:31 Speaker 16: in addition to that, so we have wisely done is

12:33 Speaker 16: the official name of this project.

12:35 Speaker 17: Yeah, and this and this is all you correct, Yeah,

12:37 Speaker 17: doing the drums, bass, guitars, vocals, mixing. I had to

12:43 Speaker 17: reach out for artwork. I wanted to do it myself.

12:46 Speaker 17: I'm somewhat of an artist, yeah, painter, but uh yeah.

12:52 Speaker 16: What what went into the decision to And obviously, like

12:55 Speaker 16: I said, you know, you've still got the band supplication,

12:58 Speaker 16: But what went into the decision because that's a lot

13:01 Speaker 16: to take on. Like, I've always been really impressed. You know,

13:03 Speaker 16: I'm a musician. I've played in bands, but I've never

13:06 Speaker 16: done anything where and I've always kind of wondered what

13:09 Speaker 16: it would be like to do something where I'm doing

13:11 Speaker 16: everything myself and it's, you know, entirely my vision, which

13:15 Speaker 16: it sounds like it would be very rewarding, but it

13:17 Speaker 16: also sounds like a hell of a lot of work

13:20 Speaker 16: and just an enormous challenge. So what what went into

13:24 Speaker 16: your decision to do this project?

13:27 Speaker 17: Originally I had a friend who was going to going

13:33 Speaker 17: to do vocals and he hevy already he took his life.

13:41 Speaker 16: So, oh my god, I'm sorry to hear that.

13:43 Speaker 17: Wow, I decided just to keep on trucking.

13:45 Speaker 16: Yeah, oh wow, that's terrible. So he was going to

13:49 Speaker 16: do the vocals and you were going to do everything else?

13:51 Speaker 16: Was that the original plan?

13:52 Speaker 17: Yeah, and I'm just like, no, I'm going to do

13:54 Speaker 17: this yeah wow.

13:56 Speaker 16: Oh that's horrible.

13:58 Speaker 1: But so.

14:01 Speaker 5: Was this?

14:02 Speaker 16: Is this the first project where you've done lead vocals.

14:06 Speaker 17: I've dabbled in doing solo stuff before, but never. The

14:15 Speaker 17: music was never this well put together. It was never

14:19 Speaker 17: I never saw it as presentable. Yeah, you know, yeah,

14:25 Speaker 17: but there was a copyright claim issue and that had

14:29 Speaker 17: a lot to do with the naming of everything. But

14:31 Speaker 17: I took a few years back, step back, and really

14:35 Speaker 17: worked on my songwriting and came back with this wisely

14:40 Speaker 17: done project.

14:41 Speaker 16: What was the I'm fascinated. Anything involving copyright and trademark

14:46 Speaker 16: is fascinating to me. Like what happened? What was the issue?

14:50 Speaker 17: So I didn't know because I'm I'm foolish and this

14:53 Speaker 17: was beyond my time. But there was a band whom

14:58 Speaker 17: name was sam Hean, but they didn't copyright the name,

15:02 Speaker 17: and for me, it was a super I had a

15:05 Speaker 17: super like black metal mindset.

15:08 Speaker 14: You know.

15:08 Speaker 17: Yeah, so I thought that was perfect, perfect name, perfect name.

15:12 Speaker 17: Didn't look into it, just like released the album, you know,

15:15 Speaker 17: Oh no kidding, yeah. Yeah, you know, it didn't go anywhere,

15:19 Speaker 17: but that's fine. And they talked to me like hey,

15:22 Speaker 17: and I was like, oh ho, I didn't know.

15:24 Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, a lesson learned.

15:28 Speaker 17: Yeah quite Yeah.

15:32 Speaker 16: Now does any of this music and uh and we'll

15:35 Speaker 16: play some more of it as we go. But does

15:37 Speaker 16: any of this also cross over into Supplication or are

15:41 Speaker 16: you keeping this all completely separate?

15:43 Speaker 17: Yeah? No, I was really influenced by black metal music

15:50 Speaker 17: and I was trying to bring that into supplication and

15:53 Speaker 17: it didn't work. It didn't jive with the guys, It

15:55 Speaker 17: didn't you know what I mean. So this is all separate.

15:59 Speaker 16: Okay, Okay, that surprises me actually that you weren't able

16:03 Speaker 16: to because from what I remember about Supplication, I mean,

16:06 Speaker 16: it's pretty pretty well. The sound may have changed, though

16:08 Speaker 16: I haven't heard you guys in a in a long time.

16:11 Speaker 17: More less shreddy, more consistently groovy okay you know, slam

16:18 Speaker 17: yeah yeah yeah, chugging along.

16:20 Speaker 16: Yeah, and with this material, I mean, do you have

16:26 Speaker 16: any plans to perform this in any way? I'm not.

16:29 Speaker 16: I'm not sure how you would do it. It's just you.

16:31 Speaker 17: But there is a one man band out there called Putrid.

16:35 Speaker 17: Pile who goes out and tours and he's he's a

16:38 Speaker 17: legend now, but he's been doing that for like twenty years.

16:41 Speaker 17: I couldn't see myself doing that, but I could see

16:45 Speaker 17: myself consistently releasing records. Yeah, you know, in a timely manner.

16:51 Speaker 16: And this has a lot of tracks, which is interesting

16:54 Speaker 16: to me because you know, we live in a time

16:56 Speaker 16: where you can you can do it so many different ways.

17:00 Speaker 16: You know, some artists just released singles. Some artists will

17:03 Speaker 16: release a series of singles with the goal ultimately for

17:06 Speaker 16: it to become an album. You know, sort of the

17:08 Speaker 16: inverse of how it used to be. You release an

17:10 Speaker 16: album and then you release singles from the album. Some

17:13 Speaker 16: artists just only release singles and that's all they ever do.

17:15 Speaker 16: Some release an EP. You know, we had the Forest

17:17 Speaker 16: Forgets on in the first hour, and they have an

17:20 Speaker 16: any EP that just came out. We went into your

17:22 Speaker 16: decision to make a full album because again, it's like

17:26 Speaker 16: you've already you've already taken on the responsibility of doing

17:29 Speaker 16: this all yourself. You're not only doing it all yourself,

17:32 Speaker 16: but you're you're made a whole album out of this.

17:36 Speaker 17: Yeah, I mean that was the goal to begin with.

17:39 Speaker 17: It was never It was never about you know, getting

17:45 Speaker 17: music out there and just doing it. It was doing

17:47 Speaker 17: it for myself and doing it for doing it for them,

17:51 Speaker 17: for the memory of it.

17:52 Speaker 16: Yeah. But is it uh? Is it something that I

18:03 Speaker 16: don't know if? Well? Is there less pressure in terms

18:08 Speaker 16: of liking supplication? Obviously being in a band with a

18:12 Speaker 16: bunch of guys, you know, you want to do as

18:14 Speaker 16: much as you can in terms of you want as

18:17 Speaker 16: large an audience as you can get and whatnot and

18:19 Speaker 16: play all these shows and stuff. So is this as

18:21 Speaker 16: a solo project, is this more kind of you don't

18:23 Speaker 16: have that pressure?

18:25 Speaker 7: Uh?

18:25 Speaker 17: Yeah, I can just pretty much do what I want.

18:28 Speaker 17: I you know, just I suppose I can release singles

18:31 Speaker 17: and do everything like that. I just wanted to get

18:34 Speaker 17: this out there.

18:35 Speaker 16: Yeah, you know, I.

18:41 Speaker 17: I have I have my next record in mind, you know,

18:43 Speaker 17: I just want to keep going with some music.

18:46 Speaker 16: Yeah yeah, yeah, Oh that's that's awesome. Uh, well, we

18:50 Speaker 16: can play another track. Do you have a what what

18:53 Speaker 16: do you have in mind? And put you on the

18:54 Speaker 16: spot here?

18:55 Speaker 17: How about praise? Praise?

18:58 Speaker 18: Gotcha?

18:59 Speaker 16: Any kind of a story behind this?

19:01 Speaker 17: Yeah? Absolutely, it's basically you know, reflecting on my upbringing

19:07 Speaker 17: and now that I have a sun, how it reflects

19:13 Speaker 17: with him and how it's basically full circle.

19:16 Speaker 16: And yeah, so this is a very personal song. Yeah,

19:21 Speaker 16: sounds like yeah.

19:22 Speaker 17: This whole album, it's very different from Supplication. It's which

19:27 Speaker 17: which is you know, normal death metal. This is very

19:31 Speaker 17: personal everything on the record.

19:32 Speaker 16: So yeah, all right, let's give this a listen. This

19:36 Speaker 16: is wisely done and the track is called Praise.

20:12 Speaker 12: So say.

20:15 Speaker 19: Why go got My mom now.

20:21 Speaker 12: Said so sorry, I had I time.

20:31 Speaker 19: Mom, right I show.

20:34 Speaker 12: Oh yo go so yes, why I go by a by.

20:56 Speaker 14: Sash got swash.

21:53 Speaker 12: All by night Bob.

21:56 Speaker 2: Ar yaas Yeah, Bo called our frid by time tiht bang.

22:07 Speaker 19: Nice Si donn barb.

22:13 Speaker 12: Five bottle short. I say, I just had my back

22:19 Speaker 12: on our shirt. The shirt.

22:24 Speaker 18: Well love shalt oh sir Sie, why a got salt?

22:40 Speaker 19: H got ship shut up shot rock fly Sho.

23:33 Speaker 16: The track is praise the artist is wisely done here

23:36 Speaker 16: with us live in studio, and yeah, we're talking off

23:42 Speaker 16: air a little bit about the track. You know, you

23:43 Speaker 16: were pointing out how you kind of do a thing

23:46 Speaker 16: there where the chorus that actually slows down instead of

23:48 Speaker 16: speeding up like you might like you might expect, and

23:51 Speaker 16: it sounded like too. Was there another were the vocals

23:55 Speaker 16: layered in that?

23:56 Speaker 17: Yeah?

23:56 Speaker 16: Sounded yeah, it kind of added some texture to it

23:59 Speaker 16: that I liked.

24:00 Speaker 17: I am not brave enough to do a solo take

24:03 Speaker 17: right right.

24:07 Speaker 16: I'm always fascinated too by singers who can do that.

24:12 Speaker 16: We talked about this a little bit with Griffin from

24:15 Speaker 16: the Forest Forgets. You know, in their music, you know,

24:18 Speaker 16: he sings it clean for the most part, but then

24:20 Speaker 16: there's some there's some screams, usually kind of toward the

24:23 Speaker 16: end as the song builds. But to be able to

24:26 Speaker 16: sing like that, what what is your like? Do you

24:30 Speaker 16: have any kind of a protocol to kind of protect

24:32 Speaker 16: your voice, protect your vocal chords, because I would imagine that.

24:36 Speaker 16: I mean, if I tried to do that, I'd probably

24:39 Speaker 16: destroy my larynx or something. Do you how do you

24:43 Speaker 16: do that? And how do you learn to do that?

24:46 Speaker 17: Basically singing along to songs you like songs, you know,

24:49 Speaker 17: but if there's any pressure in your throat or anything

24:52 Speaker 17: like that, you're not doing it right. You're supposed to

24:54 Speaker 17: come from your gut, yeah, you know, the tone comes

24:57 Speaker 17: from your throat. If you think of it like that. Yeah,

24:59 Speaker 17: and also how you position your tongue if you put

25:01 Speaker 17: it in the roof of your mouth and.

25:03 Speaker 16: Yeah, I don't want to yeah yeah, yeah. Griffin was

25:10 Speaker 16: kind of saying too, if as long as like it's

25:12 Speaker 16: not it sounds difficult, but it's not difficult if you

25:16 Speaker 16: learn to do it correctly, which is important too, because

25:19 Speaker 16: if you learn to do it correctly, you're a lot

25:21 Speaker 16: less likely to hurt yourself, you know, because there's no

25:23 Speaker 16: shortage of stories of you know, singers who've had to

25:26 Speaker 16: have you know, usually as when they get older, they

25:29 Speaker 16: have to have throat surgeries and you know, because they've

25:31 Speaker 16: put all this stress and strain on their vocal cords

25:33 Speaker 16: over the years. But was it, uh, have you always

25:38 Speaker 16: been able to do that? Because I would imagine like,

25:41 Speaker 16: do you do backing vocals in supplication?

25:43 Speaker 17: Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, so you already had that that skill, Yeah,

25:48 Speaker 17: pretty much. It was it was learning to try to

25:51 Speaker 17: to sing normally. That's the key.

25:53 Speaker 16: That's the hard right, right, There's that it's it's kind

25:57 Speaker 16: of a famous among musicians. What is it called the

26:03 Speaker 16: zen of screaming? Do you know the she's a teacher, Yeah,

26:07 Speaker 16: she's a vocal coach.

26:09 Speaker 17: Yeah.

26:09 Speaker 16: I think it's called the Zen of Screaming and uh,

26:12 Speaker 16: and she has a DVD or now you know, you

26:14 Speaker 16: probably just stream it now. But that that I've been

26:17 Speaker 16: hearing about from from singers who sing those aggressive vocals

26:21 Speaker 16: for probably twenty years now. But but I guess she

26:25 Speaker 16: kind of she's known. I wish I could remember her name,

26:28 Speaker 16: but I guess right, I guess she's known for being

26:30 Speaker 16: kind of the best teacher in terms of again, how

26:34 Speaker 16: to do that, how to do that safely. But when

26:38 Speaker 16: you're recording this music and you're singing like that, you

26:40 Speaker 16: have to take Do you have to take breaks and

26:42 Speaker 16: kind of let your your vocal chords recover or are

26:46 Speaker 16: you able to just maintain that?

26:47 Speaker 17: No, I can pretty much roll with it. I'll do

26:50 Speaker 17: a verse, you know, I'll I'll mix it a little bit.

26:52 Speaker 17: I'll do the underlaying verse and then just move on.

26:56 Speaker 16: Yeah.

26:56 Speaker 17: So I mean I can do it for six hours

26:59 Speaker 17: just wow, well, you know, just kind of I guess

27:03 Speaker 17: it ebbs and flows. Yeah, I'm not screaming on minutes

27:06 Speaker 17: on end, right right, right?

27:09 Speaker 16: And can you tell me about your recording process. I'm

27:11 Speaker 16: you know, I'm a recording nerd. I love hearing about

27:14 Speaker 16: this stuff, and you know, it's funny, just as we

27:16 Speaker 16: were talking earlier about especially you know since the last

27:19 Speaker 16: time I interviewed you. Uh, there's so many different ways

27:21 Speaker 16: now to release music. There's also so many different ways

27:24 Speaker 16: now to record music. You know, you can you can

27:26 Speaker 16: go to a recording studio like a lot of our guests,

27:30 Speaker 16: for example, they go to Eric Sotter at Blackheart. You

27:34 Speaker 16: can do that and and get great results. But you

27:36 Speaker 16: can also if you know what you're doing, you can

27:39 Speaker 16: record in your living room and get great results too.

27:43 Speaker 16: What's what's your process?

27:44 Speaker 13: What?

27:44 Speaker 7: What?

27:45 Speaker 16: How did you record this music?

27:46 Speaker 17: This is as de i y cheap as possible, the

27:51 Speaker 17: total black metal essence if you know anything about black

27:55 Speaker 17: metal recording on a little you know, tape tape recorder, yeah, essence.

28:00 Speaker 17: But now new in the new age, just starting mostly

28:10 Speaker 17: USB USB microphones, electronic drums. I got an SD twelve

28:15 Speaker 17: hundred kit and that I tweaked it to make it

28:19 Speaker 17: sound as real as possible, so hopefully you wouldn't be

28:22 Speaker 17: able to tell. But as actual writing and that goes,

28:28 Speaker 17: I start with guitar, get the skeleton of the song,

28:33 Speaker 17: and then I'll click it out with a metronome and

28:36 Speaker 17: then record drums to the scratch guitar, oh for real interesting,

28:43 Speaker 17: and then I'll do real guitars over that and real

28:46 Speaker 17: you know everything else.

28:48 Speaker 16: Yeah, so for you, So it's easiest to get that

28:53 Speaker 16: scratch guitar track down first, so you know where you

28:57 Speaker 16: are in the song, and then you do the Yeah,

29:00 Speaker 16: the drums do sound realistic. That's another thing too, that's

29:03 Speaker 16: amazing about I know, because there was a time when

29:07 Speaker 16: you know, you could tell right like like twenty years

29:11 Speaker 16: ago if you heard something I mean, not necessarily something

29:14 Speaker 16: recorded with a drum machine and a million dollar studio,

29:16 Speaker 16: because they would obviously have a very very good drum machine.

29:19 Speaker 16: But you know, if you listen to somebody's demo and

29:22 Speaker 16: it was done with a drum machine, you could tell, yeah,

29:24 Speaker 16: you know what I mean. But now the drum sounds

29:27 Speaker 16: are so. We had a guest on a couple of

29:31 Speaker 16: years ago. I forget his actual his government name as

29:36 Speaker 16: they say, but he has a project called Downhill Rollers

29:39 Speaker 16: and it's all him and I just I was floored

29:42 Speaker 16: when he told me that those were pre program drums

29:45 Speaker 16: on pro program drums on his tracks, because they sounded

29:48 Speaker 16: so realistic. I was like, I can't believe you got

29:50 Speaker 16: such a realistic you know, I mean, it really does

29:52 Speaker 16: sound like a live drummer. I know some of these

29:54 Speaker 16: programs too, they have I think they just call it

29:57 Speaker 16: a humanizer effect, where you can that you can put

30:00 Speaker 16: on so that it so that it's not quite perfect.

30:04 Speaker 17: So that that sounds wild to me. I know, right, No,

30:06 Speaker 17: this is not quantized to be corrected. This is not

30:10 Speaker 17: you know, this is not that.

30:12 Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, no, so that's uh, that's amazing. Is the process?

30:18 Speaker 16: Like if you could put an average on it, how

30:21 Speaker 16: long does it take? How long did it take you

30:23 Speaker 16: to record each track?

30:25 Speaker 17: Each song on this album, between like writing itself and

30:31 Speaker 17: recording and everything that goes along with it, probably one

30:34 Speaker 17: hundred hours of track no kidding, wow, I mean that's

30:38 Speaker 17: a lot of mixing and too, So that's accounting everything.

30:44 Speaker 16: So you do all the mixing yourself and everything.

30:46 Speaker 17: Yes, unfortunately that is the most tedious. I dislike that

30:50 Speaker 17: the most.

30:51 Speaker 16: Yeah yeah, well yeah, You're fatigue is probably a big problem,

30:56 Speaker 16: right sir.

30:57 Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, I don't know if you guys know that.

30:59 Speaker 17: Me where it's a I've been working on my record

31:02 Speaker 17: for six hours all night and now it sounds worse.

31:04 Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, yeah do you have to Yeah for listeners

31:08 Speaker 16: who don't know, uh, you know, if if you listen

31:12 Speaker 16: to something over and over again as you're working on it,

31:15 Speaker 16: you kind of get you know, part of it is psychological, right,

31:18 Speaker 16: you kind of get sick of it, and part of

31:19 Speaker 16: it I think, I think there is a physical ear

31:21 Speaker 16: fatigue too that can happen, especially you know if you've

31:23 Speaker 16: got your headphones really loud because you don't want to

31:26 Speaker 16: miss anything, but then you know, you start to get

31:29 Speaker 16: your ears are ringing. You've got tonight, this and the

31:31 Speaker 16: you know, the whole deal. So yeah, I mean you

31:33 Speaker 16: probably I assume over the course of this project there

31:35 Speaker 16: were probably many a moment that you had to just

31:37 Speaker 16: get up and walk away from it.

31:39 Speaker 17: Right you know, yeah, no, absolutely, it I I quantify

31:45 Speaker 17: like trying to move a mountain with a bucket. It's

31:48 Speaker 17: like just a little bit at a time. Yeah, you know,

31:49 Speaker 17: it's a daily process. It's something you got to do

31:51 Speaker 17: every day. It's like working out, you know, Yeah, you've

31:54 Speaker 17: got to do it, got to build momentum and.

31:58 Speaker 16: You know, yeah, how do you say motivated? I mean

32:01 Speaker 16: do you over the course of recording this, did you

32:04 Speaker 16: ever have a moment where you thought, I don't know

32:05 Speaker 16: if I don't know if I'm on the right the

32:07 Speaker 16: right track here, no pun intended.

32:09 Speaker 17: But yeah, only all the time? Yeah really, yeah, no,

32:14 Speaker 17: I I was pretty dead set on what I wanted

32:17 Speaker 17: to do. There was there was a few songs that

32:19 Speaker 17: didn't make the record. Yeah, but motivation wise, it just

32:23 Speaker 17: came from came from losing my buddy.

32:28 Speaker 16: H So, yeah, do you plan to You strike me

32:34 Speaker 16: as someone who probably writes a lot. I assume you

32:37 Speaker 16: have other music that you've written. Do you plan to

32:39 Speaker 16: continue past this album? Do you plan to do another

32:42 Speaker 16: one in the future? Yeah?

32:44 Speaker 17: My next one is Uncherished. I have nine songs ready

32:47 Speaker 17: for it.

32:48 Speaker 16: Oh wow. Yeah, yeah, so you're already you're already working

32:51 Speaker 16: on it.

32:51 Speaker 17: I've been. I've been sitting on this record for a

32:53 Speaker 17: little while.

32:53 Speaker 16: Yeah, so.

32:56 Speaker 17: You know, over the past few months, just been writing

32:59 Speaker 17: and letting those juices flow and all that.

33:02 Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, outstanding. Well, let's yeah, let's play Yeah, oh yeah,

33:07 Speaker 16: we got plenty of time. Let's play another one. What

33:09 Speaker 16: should we play next?

33:13 Speaker 17: Queen or King Ween or King?

33:17 Speaker 16: All right? And why am I not seeing that I'm

33:22 Speaker 16: seeing Queen of Queen of Escalation?

33:25 Speaker 17: Yeah?

33:25 Speaker 16: Oh is that it?

33:26 Speaker 17: Yeah? Let's roll with that.

33:27 Speaker 16: Oh, I see you weren't saying okay queen or uh

33:30 Speaker 16: I'm sorry. Oh you were offering me two options because

33:33 Speaker 16: you have you have Queen of Escalation and King of inattention.

33:37 Speaker 17: Okay, all right, I'm taking shots at myself and everyone else.

33:42 Speaker 16: What's the okay, so Queen of Escalation will play and

33:45 Speaker 16: what's a story behind this one?

33:48 Speaker 17: Just a significant other at the time and a relationship song. Yeah, yep.

33:54 Speaker 17: Can never win, you can never get ahead. You can

33:57 Speaker 17: never You know, everyone's been there, so I hope not everyone.

34:01 Speaker 16: But I have to ask has she heard this that

34:05 Speaker 16: you know of?

34:06 Speaker 2: Yes?

34:09 Speaker 16: And what how do she like it?

34:12 Speaker 1: Yeah?

34:12 Speaker 17: Just into it?

34:13 Speaker 16: She is good?

34:14 Speaker 17: Okay, good, no love loss?

34:15 Speaker 16: Okay, that's good. All right, Let's give this a listen.

34:18 Speaker 16: This is Queen of Escalation by Wisely Done.

35:10 Speaker 7: Man.

35:10 Speaker 12: I'm BLI spot by show.

35:15 Speaker 2: The talk do sad when back? Who was a boot

35:22 Speaker 2: sock farther?

35:24 Speaker 13: Some want.

35:26 Speaker 12: Charge by left.

35:28 Speaker 2: For the advert says ll show, I'm st start.

35:35 Speaker 12: Weird side to time and save long blast my son.

35:47 Speaker 10: So my dolls of to rs.

35:53 Speaker 12: Came applies spot by chop over.

36:01 Speaker 2: N the so doing I started where? Or whip song?

36:08 Speaker 12: Wonder my why er song? Let's for a job?

36:15 Speaker 7: Friens you so.

36:16 Speaker 12: Want so true to nuts.

36:19 Speaker 10: I'm outside of low.

36:22 Speaker 7: Sight so I'm called.

37:30 Speaker 12: Oh I'm going to have to follow their happiness.

37:49 Speaker 10: Oh I'm sounds the sun.

37:57 Speaker 12: See that's song of the Alser?

38:02 Speaker 7: What talk?

38:13 Speaker 10: What podcast?

38:16 Speaker 12: Why Wow?

38:23 Speaker 10: Your bag back?

38:25 Speaker 13: Not suck?

38:31 Speaker 12: John?

38:36 Speaker 7: No?

38:37 Speaker 11: Not?

38:56 Speaker 16: That is Queen of escalation. The project is wisely done

39:00 Speaker 16: and we have Stephen Michael done with us here live

39:03 Speaker 16: in studio, and that is all him and very very cool.

39:10 Speaker 16: Now are you in terms of going forward with this?

39:16 Speaker 7: Uh?

39:17 Speaker 16: Will? Because you you mentioned was it I forget enough?

39:21 Speaker 11: It was?

39:21 Speaker 16: Oh no, it was on Eric. Yeah, we're talking about

39:23 Speaker 16: the next project. You've already got songs written and ready

39:26 Speaker 16: to go. Yes, do you have a theme in mind

39:29 Speaker 16: for that project as well, because this one seems to

39:31 Speaker 16: have you know, you told us kind of the backstory

39:33 Speaker 16: of how this came about. Is is there some sort

39:37 Speaker 16: of a theme with the next album or is it

39:38 Speaker 16: just going to be more of a collection of songs or.

39:43 Speaker 17: In the same way that this is a collection of

39:46 Speaker 17: songs we're loosely based around you know, myself and everything

39:50 Speaker 17: in my life. Yeah, it'll be more of the same. Yeah,

39:53 Speaker 17: but the music is I think stepped up, and I

39:59 Speaker 17: I I'm definitely taking notes from this album.

40:02 Speaker 16: Yeah. Yeah. Will you will your approach change or I

40:08 Speaker 16: mean in terms of because again, you know, you're doing

40:10 Speaker 16: everything yourself, so that gives you the freedom to really

40:13 Speaker 16: kind of do it however you want. Will your your

40:15 Speaker 16: process change at all? Or do you think you're gonna

40:18 Speaker 16: do it pretty much the same way.

40:20 Speaker 17: I'm gonna do it the same way. The songs are

40:22 Speaker 17: a little simpler. I can do more layers with guitars

40:27 Speaker 17: and more harmonies, more solos. Yeah, yeah, improve to me anyway. Yeah, yeah,

40:34 Speaker 17: it feels it feels good to me. They feel good.

40:36 Speaker 16: Do you intend to bring in any guest musicians or

40:39 Speaker 16: guest vocalists or anything like that, or is it important

40:41 Speaker 16: to you to kind of keep this, keep this as

40:44 Speaker 16: your you know, your expression and so forth.

40:48 Speaker 17: I'd never considered it to be honest. Yeah, I think

40:52 Speaker 17: I'm just gonna keep it just just from how from

40:57 Speaker 17: how it started with me and my buddy. I think

41:00 Speaker 17: I'm gonna keep it just me.

41:01 Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, that makes sense. Does anybody from Supplication ever

41:06 Speaker 16: say hey man, i'd like to I'd like to help

41:08 Speaker 16: you with this or do they do they understand that

41:11 Speaker 16: this is this is yours and you want to keep

41:13 Speaker 16: it separate.

41:14 Speaker 17: No, they're they're definitely cool with it. They they helped

41:18 Speaker 17: me pick songs and yeah, you know good. You know,

41:21 Speaker 17: it's not like, oh yeah, he's he's doing his thing

41:25 Speaker 17: when he has time, right right.

41:29 Speaker 16: No, that's good, that's good that there's no issues there.

41:32 Speaker 17: But that's how this whole thing came about.

41:34 Speaker 7: You know.

41:34 Speaker 17: I was like, you know, we're not really getting a

41:36 Speaker 17: lot of things done in the band. It's taken a

41:38 Speaker 17: long time. It's taken years. I'm just gonna learn how

41:41 Speaker 17: to play drums. Yeah, and then you know, ten fifteen

41:44 Speaker 17: years later.

41:45 Speaker 16: Yeah, we should explain to people too who are listening

41:50 Speaker 16: who might not know. You know, we've referred to this

41:54 Speaker 16: genre as black metal. Can you define that for our

41:56 Speaker 16: listeners who.

41:58 Speaker 17: Well, it's definitely not true black metal because that matters

42:02 Speaker 17: because these people are very elitist and categorical and keeping

42:06 Speaker 17: and don't listen to me. It's metal with some black

42:11 Speaker 17: metal influences. Okay, but definitely has the spirit, yeah, the

42:14 Speaker 17: lo fi spirit.

42:16 Speaker 16: Yeah.

42:18 Speaker 17: Yeah, black metal itself like from the eighties, like the

42:22 Speaker 17: whole you know, Norwegian stuff, Yeah, Satanic panic and all that.

42:27 Speaker 17: And then forty years later it's just kind of a influence.

42:32 Speaker 16: Yeah. I mean it's tricky when you get into genres

42:34 Speaker 16: and labels and everything, because you're right, I mean, people

42:38 Speaker 16: people argue over you know, what is well, first of all,

42:43 Speaker 16: people have difficulty even agreeing what is quote unquote metal.

42:47 Speaker 16: You know, some some people have a very narrow definition

42:49 Speaker 16: of metal. Some people think that only the very heaviest

42:52 Speaker 16: of metal is truly metal. Yeah, and some people think

42:54 Speaker 16: a band like Poison, you know, we used to call

42:57 Speaker 16: it hair metal. You know, it's like, well metal though,

43:00 Speaker 16: is that? You know, it's it's uh, you know, nobody agrees.

43:03 Speaker 17: Or a kid might say now like oh Disturbed or

43:06 Speaker 17: five Finger Death Punch like yes, okay, they are they

43:08 Speaker 17: are metal, yes, but whether or not those who are

43:12 Speaker 17: into metal like them.

43:14 Speaker 16: Right, Yeah. Yeah, I worked in so I used to uh,

43:19 Speaker 16: well when an interview do before I was working there

43:21 Speaker 16: actually at Strawberries you remember Strawberries, Oh yeah, I love that. Yeah,

43:25 Speaker 16: And and then eventually Fye because they bought us. But

43:30 Speaker 16: I worked in different locations over the years with that company,

43:34 Speaker 16: and there was one there was one location. You know

43:38 Speaker 16: how the CDs, remember, they would be broken out back category,

43:41 Speaker 16: so you add most of the stores, you know, like

43:44 Speaker 16: anything popular. You know, we had like we had a pop,

43:48 Speaker 16: R and B rock section which is what dominated the store,

43:52 Speaker 16: which would basically, you know, like you would have Disturbed

43:54 Speaker 16: in there, but you would also have Jennifer Lopez in

43:56 Speaker 16: There was just kind of everything sure, you know, everything

43:59 Speaker 16: that wasn't cansidered quote unquote niche or niche I guess

44:02 Speaker 16: now everyone says niche, but.

44:05 Speaker 17: There was world.

44:06 Speaker 16: Yeah, there was one location that I worked in that

44:09 Speaker 16: actually had a metal section because I guess they felt

44:13 Speaker 16: that it I can't remember which one it was, but

44:15 Speaker 16: I guess they felt that it was appropriate for that location.

44:19 Speaker 16: But it was weird because I always thought it was

44:22 Speaker 16: just awkward because inevitably, you know, people would come in

44:26 Speaker 16: and they'd be looking for things in the metal section

44:28 Speaker 16: that wouldn't be there that they thought should be there,

44:30 Speaker 16: but they'd be in this broader pop rock section and

44:33 Speaker 16: there and there'd be people who would be like, well,

44:36 Speaker 16: you know, they'd find things in the metal section that

44:39 Speaker 16: you know, they didn't think should be there, and they

44:41 Speaker 16: would would complain about that. And that same location we

44:45 Speaker 16: also had a punk section, and you can imagine what

44:48 Speaker 16: a nightmare that would be, you know, because you know,

44:51 Speaker 16: you put Green Day in there and then people are

44:53 Speaker 16: mad about it. You have great well, you know, we

44:56 Speaker 16: generally consider them a punk band, but why they're not

44:59 Speaker 16: real punkin.

45:00 Speaker 17: You know, it's just like, do we need a pop

45:01 Speaker 17: punk section?

45:02 Speaker 7: Yeah?

45:03 Speaker 16: It just we probably should have had one. But you know,

45:07 Speaker 16: when you get into the labels and the genres and everything,

45:09 Speaker 16: it's tricky.

45:10 Speaker 2: Yeah.

45:10 Speaker 17: Yeah, I've found so many random fines and fantastic albums

45:15 Speaker 17: just through through looking. I missed, I miss actual CDs? Yes, absolutely, yeah.

45:21 Speaker 16: Do you plan to release release this on or maybe

45:23 Speaker 16: you already have a CD?

45:25 Speaker 17: Or I want to get it picked up my label

45:27 Speaker 17: and just do a small yeah, you know, one hundred

45:30 Speaker 17: five hundred thousand whatever it is.

45:32 Speaker 16: Yeah, yeah, no, that's that's great. His supplication. Do you

45:36 Speaker 16: guys have anything out on CD earlier?

45:39 Speaker 17: Yeah? I almost gave you one, but I'm a terrible

45:42 Speaker 17: test that's all right. It was from two years ago.

45:45 Speaker 17: We had an album. Okay, I can't tell you a

45:47 Speaker 17: little record label, but yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll have we'll

45:51 Speaker 17: have a new EP coming out next year. Oh excellent, excellent,

45:54 Speaker 17: we got eight songs.

45:56 Speaker 16: That's another thing I remember from my days at Strawberries

45:58 Speaker 16: was when everyone would talk about, oh see, you know,

46:01 Speaker 16: because like I was working there when Napster first became

46:03 Speaker 16: a big deal, and uh, everybody was like, oh, that's

46:08 Speaker 16: the end of CDs, you know, and then Napster kind

46:10 Speaker 16: of faded. But then Spotify came in and you know,

46:13 Speaker 16: iTunes and everything, and everybody was like, oh, that's the

46:15 Speaker 16: end of CDs. And here we are in twenty twenty

46:18 Speaker 16: four and there's still you know, like our first guests,

46:21 Speaker 16: the Forrest Forgets gave us a CD. You know, there's

46:23 Speaker 16: still lots of CDs. Guest, Yeah, all right, that's all right.

46:27 Speaker 16: It's the thought that counts.

46:28 Speaker 17: Yeah, I did. I was, I was here, I was

46:32 Speaker 17: on the throne. I'm like, yeah, I should totally get

46:33 Speaker 17: them something, right.

46:37 Speaker 10: But you're no, I didn't need to know where you

46:41 Speaker 10: were thinking.

46:42 Speaker 17: Oh come on, that doesn't matter.

46:44 Speaker 16: It's fine. Some of them were men. We do our

46:46 Speaker 16: best thinking there, right.

46:48 Speaker 17: I was on the drum throne.

46:49 Speaker 16: Right, that's that's that's clearly what you meant.

46:52 Speaker 17: Yes, highlight.

46:57 Speaker 16: And what about any kind of visual representation for any

47:00 Speaker 16: of these songs? You plan to do any any kind

47:02 Speaker 16: of videos or anything.

47:03 Speaker 17: Yeah, you know Rob Thomas kid very well, Yeah he does,

47:08 Speaker 17: he does his video.

47:09 Speaker 16: Oh he's killing it right now.

47:11 Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah, he found his.

47:14 Speaker 16: Fourth Kind films niche yep, yep, Yeah, Rob's doing great.

47:19 Speaker 16: I've interviewed him. He actually, he might hold the record

47:23 Speaker 16: for a number of times interviewed by me. Oh, I've

47:28 Speaker 16: probably interviewed him. Not quite double digits, but close.

47:34 Speaker 17: He is relentless in his work.

47:35 Speaker 16: Yes, yes, and he's fascinating to talk to, a great guy,

47:39 Speaker 16: so talented. But I think the next time I interview him,

47:42 Speaker 16: because I'm sure we'll have him on the show again soon.

47:45 Speaker 16: Uh it may it may not be as Kadaver, it

47:48 Speaker 16: may be as as as Rob. Because I think he's

47:51 Speaker 16: kind of now that he's so successful with Fourth Kind Films,

47:54 Speaker 16: I think he's kind of leaving Kaydaver behind.

47:56 Speaker 17: Yeah yeah, yeah, sorry, I didn't know it on the spot,

48:00 Speaker 17: but oh.

48:02 Speaker 16: The Fourth Kind of Films Yeah yeah, yeah, but no,

48:05 Speaker 16: he's he's doing fantastic. Yeah, so you're gonna do a

48:09 Speaker 16: video with him? Yeah, excellent, very cool. Do you know

48:12 Speaker 16: what what track yet?

48:13 Speaker 17: Or I have absolutely no idea? Yeah, it's such a

48:16 Speaker 17: It was pulling teeth trying to figure out which songs

48:18 Speaker 17: I was gonna play here?

48:19 Speaker 16: Yeah, the way here Yeah, yeah, no doubt, no doubt.

48:24 Speaker 16: Well we do, we have time, we'll we'll play uh,

48:27 Speaker 16: we'll play one more. In a moment, I was thinking

48:29 Speaker 16: maybe we should play the We'll play the King of

48:31 Speaker 16: an attention since we played the Queen of Escalation.

48:34 Speaker 17: All right, sounds good?

48:35 Speaker 16: And I have a feeling and not just because of

48:38 Speaker 16: the royalty presented by the titles, but I have a

48:40 Speaker 16: feeling these are these are these songs connected? Is this

48:43 Speaker 16: also a relationship related song?

48:47 Speaker 17: Yeah? Yeah? Taking shots at myself this time?

48:49 Speaker 16: Ah yes, same same relationship.

48:52 Speaker 17: Though, or that and with added context of my son.

48:58 Speaker 17: Oh okay, he's uh, he's a very bright little boy,

49:01 Speaker 17: but he's also he's also special needs. Okay, Okay, there's

49:06 Speaker 17: there has been blame and there has been heartache and

49:10 Speaker 17: it's been a long road.

49:11 Speaker 16: Yeah no, that's that's uh, that's challenging though, So you know, good,

49:15 Speaker 16: good for you to be able to handle that, Oh,

49:17 Speaker 16: thank you and absolutely absolutely. And where should people go online?

49:22 Speaker 16: I want to make sure everyone knows where to find

49:23 Speaker 16: your music. Where's the best place to go?

49:26 Speaker 17: Facebook, Apple, Amazon, pretty much all the little streaming services

49:31 Speaker 17: that people use and don't. Yeah, yeah, right now. You

49:36 Speaker 17: can get hold of me pretty much every day on TikTok. Okay,

49:39 Speaker 17: that's been a big thing at Stephen Michael Dunn. But

49:43 Speaker 17: I'm always posting wisely done stuff and I'm posting supplication stuff.

49:49 Speaker 16: And yeah, excellent, excellent, very good. So we'll we'll hit

49:54 Speaker 16: that track in a moment. And Jenny, you want to

49:56 Speaker 16: plug your your website, sure you.

49:58 Speaker 20: Can check out more on me gencoffee dot com j

50:01 Speaker 20: E N N co o f f ui dot com.

50:04 Speaker 20: And don't forget one of my paintings is hanging at

50:05 Speaker 20: the Mosaic Art Collective, part of the Full Circle the

50:09 Speaker 20: Speed of Light Show, which is on exhibit for the month.

50:12 Speaker 20: Check it out at sixty six Hanover Street here in

50:15 Speaker 20: the Queen City.

50:16 Speaker 16: Yes, and that will be up until the end of September,

50:19 Speaker 16: the end of the month. Yeah, the painting, yeah, yeah,

50:21 Speaker 16: very good.

50:22 Speaker 20: And they are doing in our call right now. For

50:24 Speaker 20: the next show on spell Bounds. We'll go check it out,

50:26 Speaker 20: submit your.

50:27 Speaker 16: Work, yes, yes, and let's see so if you miss

50:30 Speaker 16: any part of today's show and we'll be up in

50:32 Speaker 16: just a little bit at wmnhradio dot organ in my

50:35 Speaker 16: website Matt Connorton dot com. Thank you again, of course

50:37 Speaker 16: to the Forest Forgets for joining us in the first

50:40 Speaker 16: hour and of course in the second hour we had

50:42 Speaker 16: justin from four HM Clothing along with Joey Painter here

50:45 Speaker 16: and really loved speaking with them and Stephen Michael done.

50:49 Speaker 16: Thank you again so much, my friend for reaching out.

50:51 Speaker 16: It's great to see you. It's been it's been a

50:53 Speaker 16: long day as well.

50:54 Speaker 17: Yes, absolutely yeah.

50:56 Speaker 16: Where do the years go? And as we get older

50:58 Speaker 16: the time goes quicker if you notice, absolutely it's not

51:00 Speaker 16: a good thing. It's not a good thing.

51:02 Speaker 17: I don't remember. But what did you eat last week? Exactly?

51:11 Speaker 15: All right?

51:11 Speaker 16: So we will we will close out with this. This

51:14 Speaker 16: is uh wisely done, is the project, and this is

51:17 Speaker 16: called King of Inattention.

51:57 Speaker 12: Dogs over show.

52:00 Speaker 21: Shot stop war Well what side where that n snot

52:10 Speaker 21: nine thous.

52:13 Speaker 12: So smoo.

52:24 Speaker 10: Stop a way far south round job sence.

52:30 Speaker 12: So start round, stop.

52:40 Speaker 2: Out and never until started out fo no side like

52:50 Speaker 2: shot start stop started side down to try.

52:55 Speaker 10: To say my shots that.

53:04 Speaker 12: Go over.

53:08 Speaker 2: Third that it says, why the gon now way out,

53:17 Speaker 2: sun down.

53:18 Speaker 1: Town right, doll walk bo hour, no stratsprit sprat by John,

53:27 Speaker 1: nobody care, no one was there and it was something

53:30 Speaker 1: I blot them out double It's fine after did it?

53:39 Speaker 10: Joe got to attacks.

53:43 Speaker 12: Like by time by a finn by Jack that so

53:53 Speaker 12: sass to one.

54:10 Speaker 15: To tat tll so I know ust songs of rock

54:20 Speaker 15: don't say at set.

54:40 Speaker 12: Your pa.

54:45 Speaker 10: Jump right, so things of.

54:55 Speaker 2: A simil.

55:17 Speaker 12: Meaning to such.

55:21 Speaker 10: Trust think my cousin's say. I think it was answers.

55:34 Speaker 7: I need.

55:36 Speaker 12: To jump in the story.

55:40 Speaker 6: Kind of sports us keep thinking, thinking out learning and

55:47 Speaker 6: you are so super than so time what you call suss.

56:13 Speaker 7: This was.

56:18 Speaker 10: Searching for coss front I saw from all you said.

56:29 Speaker 12: The seconds said, I still kill jumping shot drop on

56:51 Speaker 12: it way.

56:53 Speaker 13: So fast way to.

56:58 Speaker 12: Sorry, I'm or lives for nothing your right and you'll

57:24 Speaker 12: try to cannot.

57:26 Speaker 6: Or contentment for your uh my friend, but why everythings

57:30 Speaker 6: now where still laughs?

57:31 Speaker 10: And I said you like work the great not to

57:35 Speaker 10: day where about your just stay where about it?

57:47 Speaker 19: Just stay for the those.

57:48 Speaker 10: Uns u sure doms well you were as a pup er, s.

58:10 Speaker 13: Er sick.

58:14 Speaker 12: Joy wows.

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