Matt Connarton Unleashed: Wisely Dunn

0:00 Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody. We are well into our third hour

0:03 Speaker 1: New Marrow trace of Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are

0:06 Speaker 1: live from the studios of wm NH ninety five point

0:10 Speaker 1: three FM in Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire, streaming at Matt

0:14 Speaker 1: connorton dot com slash Live. Today is Saturday, September twenty one,

0:19 Speaker 1: two thy twenty four and we just heard a track

0:23 Speaker 1: called four and Ever and that is wisely done and

0:26 Speaker 1: we have Stephen Michael Done is here with us live

0:28 Speaker 1: in studio. Hello, welcome. Oh, I don't have your mic up.

0:32 Speaker 1: I apologize for that. Let's try that again.

0:35 Speaker 2: Hello, Hello sir, there we go.

0:37 Speaker 1: We switched switched on Mike's at the last minute. There,

0:41 Speaker 1: but now that sounds good, so welcome. It has been

0:45 Speaker 1: quite a long time since you and I talked.

0:50 Speaker 2: Yes, sir, it's been a lifetime.

0:52 Speaker 1: I have interviewed you before. What it must have been

0:55 Speaker 1: fifth like literally like fifteen years ago. Yes, is that

0:58 Speaker 1: even possible. It's amazing. That doesn't even seem possible to me.

1:01 Speaker 1: It's funny because you would uh, you had reached out

1:04 Speaker 1: to us, and you had mentioned uh at the time

1:07 Speaker 1: you were in the band supplication, and I remember I

1:10 Speaker 1: think in your message you said something like I don't

1:12 Speaker 1: know if you remember me or and I was like, oh,

1:13 Speaker 1: of course I remember the band. And then I saw

1:16 Speaker 1: your picture on Facebook and I was like, oh, yeah,

1:17 Speaker 1: I totally remember you. But uh yeah, so that was yeah,

1:22 Speaker 1: that was quite some time ago. And you said I

1:24 Speaker 1: actually interviewed you twice back then.

1:26 Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, one was with our drummer and bass player,

1:29 Speaker 2: and the second one was just the bass player.

1:31 Speaker 1: Okay, Scott, right, Scott Perry. Yeah, Scott and I are

1:35 Speaker 1: still in touch.

1:35 Speaker 2: He did.

1:37 Speaker 1: He did a podcast a few years ago called Courtesy Call,

1:41 Speaker 1: and and I was I was involved in that a

1:44 Speaker 1: little bit, helped him with that.

1:45 Speaker 2: But oh fantastic.

1:47 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I remember the interview with What

1:50 Speaker 1: I remember about the interview with you and Scott Boy

1:54 Speaker 1: is that you were relentless in picking on him, you know,

1:58 Speaker 1: and it was it was a fun way. Yeah, you know,

2:01 Speaker 1: it was obviously there was camaraderie, although there were a

2:04 Speaker 1: couple of moments there where he did seem legitimately frustrated.

2:06 Speaker 2: But I don't know, if you know the Jason Newstead

2:10 Speaker 2: situation where they where they hazed him ridiculous.

2:13 Speaker 1: Oh of course, yeah, that was it.

2:15 Speaker 2: Was we were kids and kind of a holes, you know,

2:19 Speaker 2: that's that's what happens. He was new, No, it was.

2:22 Speaker 1: It was fun though. It was funny and all those

2:24 Speaker 1: all those interviews are still available online too, but jeez,

2:29 Speaker 1: I might have to go back and revisit that. Yeah,

2:31 Speaker 1: that was that was fun. But now how long were

2:35 Speaker 1: how long did you guys work together? In Supplication? That

2:38 Speaker 1: that was a while, right, that that band went on?

2:41 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we took a four year hiatus just

2:44 Speaker 2: for families and issues and things, and we came back

2:48 Speaker 2: last year. Actually okay, you know, stronger than ever. We

2:54 Speaker 2: got a new bass player.

2:55 Speaker 1: Oh very good fits.

2:57 Speaker 2: The band, and there was no hazing period necessary. Yeah,

3:00 Speaker 2: we are all adults. Is a different time, yeah, yeah, no,

3:04 Speaker 2: it's like fifteen years.

3:06 Speaker 1: Yeah.

3:07 Speaker 2: I started in seven with them and wow around COVID area,

3:11 Speaker 2: took a break, yep, and then back at it.

3:15 Speaker 1: So Supplication so that exists now you guys are still

3:18 Speaker 1: doing that. Yeah, outstanding. Good for you, Good for you.

3:22 Speaker 1: And in addition to that, so we have wisely done

3:24 Speaker 1: is the official name of this project. Yeah, and this

3:27 Speaker 1: and this is all you correct?

3:28 Speaker 2: Yeah, doing the drums, bass, guitars, vocals, mixing. I had

3:35 Speaker 2: to reach out for artwork. I wanted to do it myself.

3:37 Speaker 2: I'm somewhat of an artist, yeah, painter, but uh yeah.

3:43 Speaker 1: What what went into the decision to And obviously, like

3:47 Speaker 1: I said, you know, you've still got the band supplication,

3:49 Speaker 1: But what went into the decision because that's a lot

3:52 Speaker 1: to take on. Like, I've always been really impressed. You know,

3:55 Speaker 1: I'm a musician. I've played in bands, but I've never

3:58 Speaker 1: done anything where and I've always got I wondered what

4:00 Speaker 1: it would be like to do something where I'm doing

4:02 Speaker 1: everything myself and it's, you know, entirely my vision, which

4:06 Speaker 1: it sounds like it would be very rewarding, but it

4:09 Speaker 1: also sounds like a hell of a lot of work

4:11 Speaker 1: and just an enormous challenge. So what what went into

4:15 Speaker 1: your decision to do this project?

4:19 Speaker 2: Originally I had a friend who was going to going

4:25 Speaker 2: to do vocals, and he, hey, have you already? He

4:31 Speaker 2: took his life, So.

4:32 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm sorry to hear that.

4:34 Speaker 2: Wow, I decided just to keep on trucking.

4:37 Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wow, that's terrible. So he was going to

4:40 Speaker 1: do the vocals and you were going to do everything else?

4:42 Speaker 1: Was that the original plan?

4:43 Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm just like, no, I'm going to do this.

4:46 Speaker 1: Yeah wow, oh that's horrible. But so uh was this?

4:53 Speaker 1: Is this the first project where you've done lead vocals.

4:56 Speaker 2: Or I've dabbled in doing so stuff before, but never

5:06 Speaker 2: the music was never this well put together. It was

5:09 Speaker 2: never I never saw it as presentable. Yeah, you know,

5:16 Speaker 2: but there was a copyright claim issue and that had

5:20 Speaker 2: a lot to do with the naming of everything. But

5:22 Speaker 2: I took a few years back, step back and really

5:26 Speaker 2: worked on my songwriting and came back with this wisely

5:31 Speaker 2: done project.

5:32 Speaker 1: What was the I'm fascinated Anything involving copyright and trademark

5:37 Speaker 1: is fascinating to me. Like what happened?

5:39 Speaker 2: What was the issue? So I didn't know because I'm

5:44 Speaker 2: foolish and this was beyond my time. But there was

5:47 Speaker 2: a band whom name was sam Hean, but they didn't

5:52 Speaker 2: copyright the name, and for me, it was a super

5:56 Speaker 2: I had a super like black metal mindset, you know. Yeah,

6:00 Speaker 2: so I thought that was perfect, perfect name, perfect name.

6:03 Speaker 2: Didn't look into it. It was just like released album,

6:06 Speaker 2: you know, Oh no kidding, Yeah, yeah, you know, it

6:10 Speaker 2: didn't go anywhere, but that's fine. And they talked to

6:12 Speaker 2: me like hey, and I was like, oh ho, I

6:15 Speaker 2: didn't know.

6:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a lesson learned. Yeah right, yeah, Now does

6:24 Speaker 1: any of this music and uh and and well we'll

6:26 Speaker 1: play some more of it as we go. But does

6:28 Speaker 1: any of this also cross over into supplication or are

6:32 Speaker 1: you keeping this all completely separate?

6:34 Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I was really influenced by black metal music

6:41 Speaker 2: and I was trying to bring that into Supplication and

6:44 Speaker 2: it didn't work. It didn't jive with the guys. It

6:47 Speaker 2: didn't you know what I mean. So this is all separate.

6:51 Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, that surprises me actually that that you weren't

6:54 Speaker 1: able to because from what I remember about Supplication, I mean,

6:57 Speaker 1: it's pretty pretty well. The sound may have changed, though

6:59 Speaker 1: I haven't heard you guys in a in a long time.

7:02 Speaker 2: More less shreddy, more consistently groovy okay you know, slam

7:09 Speaker 2: yeah yeah yeah, chugging along yeah.

7:14 Speaker 1: And with this material, I mean, do you have any

7:18 Speaker 1: plans to perform this in any way? I'm not. I'm

7:20 Speaker 1: not sure how you would do it. It's just you.

7:22 Speaker 2: But there is a one man band out there called

7:26 Speaker 2: Putrid Pile who goes out and tours and he's he's

7:29 Speaker 2: a legend now, but he's been doing that for like

7:32 Speaker 2: twenty years. I couldn't see myself, uh doing that, but

7:35 Speaker 2: I could see myself consistently releasing records. Yeah, you know,

7:41 Speaker 2: in a timely manner.

7:42 Speaker 1: And this has a lot of tracks, which is interesting

7:45 Speaker 1: to me because you know, we live in a time

7:47 Speaker 1: where you can you can do it so many different ways.

7:51 Speaker 1: You know, some artists just release singles. Some artists will

7:55 Speaker 1: release a series of singles with the goal ultimately for

7:57 Speaker 1: it to become an album. You know, sort of of

8:00 Speaker 1: the inverse of how it used to be. You release

8:01 Speaker 1: an album and then you release singles from the album.

8:04 Speaker 1: Some artists just only release singles and that's all they

8:06 Speaker 1: ever do. So some release an EP. You know, we

8:08 Speaker 1: had the Forest Forgets On in the first hour, and

8:10 Speaker 1: they have an any EP that just came out. What

8:13 Speaker 1: went into your decision to make a full album, because again,

8:17 Speaker 1: it's like you've already you've already taken on the responsibility

8:20 Speaker 1: of doing this all yourself. You're not only doing it

8:23 Speaker 1: all yourself, but you're you're made a whole album out

8:25 Speaker 1: of this.

8:27 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was the goal to begin with.

8:30 Speaker 2: It was never It was never about you know, getting

8:36 Speaker 2: music out there and just doing it. It was doing it

8:38 Speaker 2: for myself and doing it for doing it for them,

8:43 Speaker 2: for the memory of it.

8:44 Speaker 1: Yeah. But is it uh? Is it something that I

8:55 Speaker 1: don't know if? Well? Is there less pressure in terms

8:59 Speaker 1: of supplication? Obviously being in a band with a bunch

9:04 Speaker 1: of guys, you know, you want to do as much

9:06 Speaker 1: as you can in terms of you want as large

9:08 Speaker 1: an audience as you can get and whatnot and play

9:10 Speaker 1: all these shows and stuff. So is this as a

9:13 Speaker 1: solo project, is this more kind of you don't have

9:15 Speaker 1: that pressure?

9:16 Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah. I can just pretty much do what I want.

9:19 Speaker 2: I you know, just I suppose I can release singles

9:23 Speaker 2: and do everything like that. I just wanted to get

9:25 Speaker 2: this out there. Yeah, you know, I I have I

9:33 Speaker 2: have my next record in mind, you know, I just

9:35 Speaker 2: want to keep going with some music.

9:37 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's awesome. Uh, well, we

9:41 Speaker 1: can play another track. Do you have a what what

9:44 Speaker 1: do you have in mind? I put you on the

9:46 Speaker 1: spot here.

9:46 Speaker 2: How about praise? Praise?

9:49 Speaker 1: Gotcha? Any kind of a story behind this? Yeah?

9:52 Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's basically you know, reflecting on my upbringing and

9:59 Speaker 2: now that I have a son, how it reflects with

10:04 Speaker 2: him and how it's basically full circle.

10:08 Speaker 1: And yeah, so this is a very personal song.

10:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like yeah, this whole album, it's very different

10:16 Speaker 2: from Supplication that's which which is you know, normal death metal.

10:21 Speaker 2: This is very personal everything on the record.

10:24 Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, let's give this a listen. This

10:27 Speaker 1: is wisely done and the track is called Praise.

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11:23 Speaker 4: Right, I sh sho so well.

11:30 Speaker 5: Right? Why got do by a bys.

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12:50 Speaker 7: Ball call out frid b my dad, No no not

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13:01 Speaker 4: Baby ba battle shaw I had my back bottle shirt.

13:12 Speaker 6: And shirt well show oh to street?

13:23 Speaker 5: Why go about pretty?

13:25 Speaker 6: Got a shaw time? Oh I got shape?

13:36 Speaker 7: Shot got by shock but I ex fine a shot.

13:54 Speaker 5: SI.

14:24 Speaker 1: The track is Praise the Artist is wisely done here

14:28 Speaker 1: with us live in studio, and yeah, we're talking off

14:33 Speaker 1: air a little bit about the track. You know, you

14:35 Speaker 1: were pointing out how you kind of do a thing

14:37 Speaker 1: there where the chorus that actually slows down instead of

14:39 Speaker 1: speeding up like you might like you might expect, and

14:43 Speaker 1: it sounded like too. Was there another were the vocals

14:46 Speaker 1: layered in that? Yeah, it sounded Yeah, it kind of

14:50 Speaker 1: added some texture to it that I liked.

14:51 Speaker 2: I am not brave enough to do a solo take

14:54 Speaker 2: right right.

14:58 Speaker 1: I'm always fascinated too by singers who can do that.

15:04 Speaker 1: We we talked about this a little bit with Griffin

15:06 Speaker 1: from the Forest Forgets. You know, in their music, you know,

15:09 Speaker 1: he sings it clean for the most part, but then

15:12 Speaker 1: there's some there's some screams, usually kind of toward the

15:14 Speaker 1: end as the song builds. But to be able to

15:17 Speaker 1: sing like that, what is your like? Do you have

15:21 Speaker 1: any kind of a protocol to kind of protect your voice,

15:23 Speaker 1: protect your vocal chords, because I would imagine that. I mean,

15:28 Speaker 1: if I tried to do that, I'd probably uh destroy

15:31 Speaker 1: my larynx or something. I mean, how do you how

15:34 Speaker 1: do you do that? And how do you learn to

15:35 Speaker 1: do that?

15:37 Speaker 2: Basically singing along to songs you like songs, you know,

15:40 Speaker 2: but if there's any pressure in your throat or anything

15:44 Speaker 2: like that, you're not doing it right. You're supposed to

15:46 Speaker 2: come from your gut, Yeah, you know, the tone comes

15:48 Speaker 2: from your throat if you think of it like that. Yeah,

15:50 Speaker 2: and also how you position your tongue if you put

15:52 Speaker 2: it in the through for your mouth and yeah, I

15:56 Speaker 2: don't want to yeah yeah.

16:00 Speaker 4: Yeah.

16:00 Speaker 1: Griffin was kind of saying too, if as long as

16:03 Speaker 1: like it's not it sounds difficult, but it's not difficult

16:06 Speaker 1: if you learn to do it correctly, which is important too,

16:10 Speaker 1: because if you learn to do it correctly, you're a

16:12 Speaker 1: lot less likely to hurt yourself, you know, because there's

16:14 Speaker 1: no shortage of stories of you know, singers who've had

16:18 Speaker 1: to have you know, usually as when they get older,

16:20 Speaker 1: they have to have throat surgeries and you know, because

16:23 Speaker 1: they've put all this stress and strain on their vocal

16:24 Speaker 1: cords over the years. But was it h Have you

16:29 Speaker 1: always been able to do that? Because I would imagine like,

16:32 Speaker 1: do you do backing vocals in supplication?

16:35 Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, so you already had that that skill, Yeah,

16:39 Speaker 2: pretty much. It was it was learning to try to

16:42 Speaker 2: to sing normally. That's the key, that's the right right.

16:47 Speaker 1: There's that it's it's kind of a famous among musicians.

16:53 Speaker 1: What is it called the zen of screaming? Do you

16:56 Speaker 1: know the she's a teacher, Yeah, she's a vocal coach. Yeah,

17:01 Speaker 1: I think it's called the Zen of Screaming and uh,

17:04 Speaker 1: and she has a DVD or now you know, you

17:06 Speaker 1: probably just stream it now. But that that I've been

17:09 Speaker 1: hearing about from from singers who sing those aggressive vocals

17:12 Speaker 1: for probably twenty years now. But but I guess she

17:16 Speaker 1: kind of she's known. I wish I could remember her name,

17:20 Speaker 1: but I guess, right, I guess she's known for being

17:22 Speaker 1: kind of the best teacher in terms of again, how

17:25 Speaker 1: to do that, how to do that safely. But when

17:29 Speaker 1: you're recording this music and you're singing like that, you

17:32 Speaker 1: have to take you have to take breaks and kind

17:34 Speaker 1: of let your your vocal chords recover or are you

17:37 Speaker 1: able to just maintain that?

17:39 Speaker 2: No, I can pretty much roll with it. I'll do

17:41 Speaker 2: a verse, you know, I'll I'll mix it a little bit.

17:44 Speaker 2: I'll do the underlaying verse and then just move on.

17:47 Speaker 1: Yeah.

17:48 Speaker 2: So I mean I can do it for six hours.

17:50 Speaker 2: It just wow, you know, just kind of I guess

17:54 Speaker 2: it ebbs and flows. Yeah, I'm not screaming on minutes

17:57 Speaker 2: on end, right, right, right?

18:00 Speaker 1: And can you tell me about your recording process? You know,

18:03 Speaker 1: I'm a recording nerd. I love hearing about this stuff.

18:06 Speaker 1: And you know it's funny just as we were talking

18:07 Speaker 1: earlier about especially you know since the last time I

18:11 Speaker 1: interviewed you. Uh, there's so many different ways now to

18:13 Speaker 1: release music. There's also so many different ways now to

18:15 Speaker 1: record music. You know, you can you can go to

18:17 Speaker 1: a recording studio like a lot of our guests, for example,

18:21 Speaker 1: they go to Eric Sotter at Blackheart. You can do

18:25 Speaker 1: that and and get great results. But you can also,

18:28 Speaker 1: if you know what you're doing, you can record in

18:31 Speaker 1: your living room and get great results too. What's what's

18:35 Speaker 1: your process?

18:35 Speaker 5: What? What?

18:36 Speaker 1: How did you record this music?

18:37 Speaker 2: This is as di I Y cheap as possible, the

18:43 Speaker 2: total black metal essence if you know anything about black

18:46 Speaker 2: metal recording on a little you know, tape tape recorder. Yeah, yeah,

18:51 Speaker 2: that essence. But now new in the new age, ye

18:57 Speaker 2: just starting mostly USB USB microphones, electronic drums. I got

19:05 Speaker 2: an SD twelve hundred kit, yeah, and that I tweaked

19:09 Speaker 2: it to make it sound as real as possible, so

19:13 Speaker 2: hopefully you wouldn't be able to tell. Yeah, But as

19:17 Speaker 2: actual writing and that goes, I start with guitar, get

19:22 Speaker 2: the skeleton of the song, and then I'll click it

19:25 Speaker 2: out with a metronome and then record drums to the

19:30 Speaker 2: scratch guitar, oh for real interesting, Okay, and then I'll

19:35 Speaker 2: do real guitars over that and real you know everything else.

19:39 Speaker 1: Yeah, so for you, So it's easiest to get that

19:45 Speaker 1: scratch guitar track down first, so you know where you

19:49 Speaker 1: are in the song, and then you do the Yeah,

19:51 Speaker 1: the drums do sound realistic. That's another thing too, that's

19:54 Speaker 1: amazing about I know geez, because there was a time

19:58 Speaker 1: when you know, you could tell, right, like like twenty

20:02 Speaker 1: years ago if you heard something I mean, not necessarily

20:04 Speaker 1: something recorded with a drum machine and a million dollar studio,

20:08 Speaker 1: because they would obviously have a very very good drum machine.

20:11 Speaker 1: But you know, if you listen to somebody's demo and

20:13 Speaker 1: it was done with a drum machine, you could tell, yeah,

20:15 Speaker 1: you know what I mean. But now the drum sounds

20:18 Speaker 1: are so. We had a guest on a couple of

20:23 Speaker 1: years ago. I forget his actual h his government name

20:27 Speaker 1: as they say, but he has a project called Downhill

20:30 Speaker 1: Rollers and it's all him and I just I was

20:33 Speaker 1: floored when he told me that those were pre programmed

20:36 Speaker 1: drums on pro program drums on his tracks because they

20:39 Speaker 1: sounded so realistic. I was like, I can't believe you

20:41 Speaker 1: got such a realistic you know, I mean it really

20:43 Speaker 1: does sound like a live drummer. I know some of

20:45 Speaker 1: these programs too, they have I think they just call

20:48 Speaker 1: it a humanizer effect where you can that you can

20:51 Speaker 1: put on it so that it's not quite perfect.

20:55 Speaker 2: So that that sounds wild to me. I know, right, No,

20:57 Speaker 2: this is not quantized, be corrected. This is not you know,

21:02 Speaker 2: this is not that.

21:03 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, so that's uh, that's amazing. Is the process?

21:09 Speaker 1: Like if you could put an average on it, how

21:12 Speaker 1: long does it take? How long did it take you

21:14 Speaker 1: to record each track?

21:16 Speaker 2: Each song on this album, between like writing itself and

21:23 Speaker 2: recording and everything that goes along with it, probably one

21:25 Speaker 2: hundred hours of track no kidding, wow, I mean that's

21:30 Speaker 2: a lot of mixing and too, So that's accounting everything.

21:36 Speaker 1: So you do all the mixing yourself and everything.

21:38 Speaker 2: Yes, unfortunately that is the most tedious. I dislike that

21:42 Speaker 2: the most.

21:43 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well yeah, You're fatigue is probably a big problem,

21:48 Speaker 1: right sir.

21:48 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know if you guys know that

21:51 Speaker 2: meme where it's a I've been working on my record

21:53 Speaker 2: for six hours all night and now it sounds worse.

21:55 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, do you have to Yeah for a

21:59 Speaker 1: listener who don't know. Uh, you know, if if you

22:03 Speaker 1: listen to something over and over again as you're working

22:06 Speaker 1: on it, you kind of get you know, part of

22:08 Speaker 1: it is psychological, right, you kind of get sick of it,

22:10 Speaker 1: and part of it I think that I think there

22:11 Speaker 1: is a physical ear fatigue too that can happen, especially

22:14 Speaker 1: you know if you've got your headphones really loud because

22:16 Speaker 1: you don't want to miss anything, but then you know,

22:19 Speaker 1: you start to get your ears are ringing. You've got tonight,

22:22 Speaker 1: this and the you know, the whole deal. So yeah,

22:24 Speaker 1: I mean you probably I assume over the course of

22:26 Speaker 1: this project there were probably many a moment that you

22:28 Speaker 1: had to just get up and walk away from it.

22:30 Speaker 2: Right you know, yeah, no, absolutely it I I quantify

22:36 Speaker 2: like trying to move a mountain with a bucket. It's

22:39 Speaker 2: like just lit a little bit at a time. Yeah,

22:41 Speaker 2: you know, it's a daily process. It's something you got

22:43 Speaker 2: to do every day. It's like working out, you know, Yeah,

22:45 Speaker 2: you've got to do it, got to build momentum and.

22:49 Speaker 1: You know, yeah, how do you say motivated. I mean,

22:53 Speaker 1: do you over the course of recording this, did you

22:55 Speaker 1: ever have a moment where you thought, I don't know

22:57 Speaker 1: if I don't know if I'm on the right the

22:59 Speaker 1: right track here, no pun intended, but yeah.

23:01 Speaker 2: Only all the time. Yeah, yeah, no, I I was

23:06 Speaker 2: pretty dead set on what I wanted to do. There

23:10 Speaker 2: was there was a few songs I didn't make the record, yeah,

23:13 Speaker 2: but motivation wise, it just came from came from losing

23:18 Speaker 2: my buddy.

23:19 Speaker 1: H So, yeah, do you plan to You strike me

23:25 Speaker 1: as someone who probably writes a lot. I assume you

23:28 Speaker 1: have other music that you've written. Do you plan to

23:31 Speaker 1: continue past this album? Do you plan to do another

23:33 Speaker 1: one in the future?

23:34 Speaker 2: Yeah, My next one is Uncherished. I have nine songs

23:38 Speaker 2: ready for it.

23:39 Speaker 1: Oh wow. Yeah, yeah, so you're already you're already working

23:42 Speaker 1: on it.

23:42 Speaker 2: I've been. I've been sitting on this record for a

23:44 Speaker 2: little while.

23:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, so.

23:47 Speaker 2: You know, over the past few months, just been writing

23:50 Speaker 2: and letting those juices flow and all that.

23:54 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, outstanding. Well, let's yeah, let's playin it. Yeah.

23:58 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, we got plenty of time. Let's play another one.

24:00 Speaker 1: What should we play next?

24:05 Speaker 2: Queen or King?

24:07 Speaker 1: Queen or King all right? And why am I not

24:12 Speaker 1: seeing that? I'm seeing Queen of Queen of Escalation.

24:16 Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh is that it? Yeah, let's roll with that.

24:18 Speaker 1: Oh, I see you weren't saying okay Queen or uh.

24:21 Speaker 1: I'm sorry. Oh you were offering me two options because

24:24 Speaker 1: you have you have Queen of Escalation and King of inattention.

24:28 Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'm taking shots at myself and everyone else.

24:34 Speaker 1: What's the okay? So Queen of Escalation will play and

24:36 Speaker 1: what's a story behind this one?

24:40 Speaker 2: Just a significant other at the time and a relationship song. Yeah, yep.

24:45 Speaker 2: Can never win, you can never get ahead, you can

24:48 Speaker 2: never You know, everyone's been there, so I hope not everyone.

24:52 Speaker 1: But I have to ask has she heard this that

24:56 Speaker 1: you know of?

24:58 Speaker 2: Yes?

25:00 Speaker 1: And what how did she like it?

25:03 Speaker 2: Let's just into it.

25:04 Speaker 1: She is good, okay, goad no love love Okay, that's good.

25:08 Speaker 1: All right, Let's give this a listen. This is Queen

25:10 Speaker 1: of Escalation by Wisely Done.

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26:55 Speaker 6: Work wise.

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27:10 Speaker 6: outside out pow like no, so I call.

28:21 Speaker 9: Oh, I'm going to have all your hapco.

28:43 Speaker 6: Sound sign your song skil ser call my song sa

28:54 Speaker 6: son snell chat Wow.

29:48 Speaker 1: That is queen of escalation. The project is wisely done

29:51 Speaker 1: and we have Stephen Michael done with us here live

29:54 Speaker 1: in studio and that is all him and h very

29:59 Speaker 1: very cool. Now, are you in terms of going forward

30:07 Speaker 1: with this will because you you mentioned was it I

30:12 Speaker 1: forget en if it was? Oh no, I was on aeron. Yeah,

30:14 Speaker 1: we're talking about the next project. You've already got songs

30:16 Speaker 1: written and ready to go. Yes, Do you have a

30:19 Speaker 1: theme in mind for that project as well, because this

30:22 Speaker 1: one seems to have you know, you told this kind

30:24 Speaker 1: of the backstory of how this came about. Is is

30:27 Speaker 1: there some sort of a theme with the next album

30:29 Speaker 1: or is it just going to be more of a

30:31 Speaker 1: collection of songs or.

30:34 Speaker 2: In the same way that this is a collection of songs,

30:38 Speaker 2: we're loosely based around you know, myself and everything in

30:42 Speaker 2: my life. Yeah, it'll be more of the same. Yeah,

30:45 Speaker 2: but the music is I think stepped up, and I

30:51 Speaker 2: I'm definitely taking notes from this album.

30:53 Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Will you're will your approach change or I

30:59 Speaker 1: mean in terms of because again, you know, you're doing

31:01 Speaker 1: everything yourself, so that gives you the freedom to really

31:04 Speaker 1: kind of do it however you want, well your your

31:06 Speaker 1: process change at all, or do you think you're gonna

31:09 Speaker 1: do it pretty much the same way.

31:11 Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it the same way. The songs are

31:13 Speaker 2: a little simpler. I can do more layers with guitars

31:18 Speaker 2: and more harmonies, more solos. Yeah, yeah, improve to me anyway. Yeah, yeah,

31:26 Speaker 2: it feels it feels good to me. They feel good.

31:28 Speaker 1: Do you intend to bring in any guest musicians or

31:30 Speaker 1: guest vocalists or anything like that, or is it important

31:33 Speaker 1: to you to kind of keep this, keep this as

31:35 Speaker 1: your you know, your expression and so forth.

31:39 Speaker 2: I'd never considered it, to be honest. Yeah, I think

31:43 Speaker 2: I'm just gonna keep it just just from how from

31:48 Speaker 2: how it started with me and my buddy. I think

31:51 Speaker 2: i think I'm gonna keep it just me.

31:53 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense. Does anybody from supplication

31:57 Speaker 1: ever say hey, man, i'd like to I'd like to

31:59 Speaker 1: help you with the or do they do they understand

32:02 Speaker 1: that this is this is yours and you want to

32:04 Speaker 1: keep it separate.

32:06 Speaker 2: No, they're they're definitely cool with it. They they helped

32:09 Speaker 2: me pick songs and yeah, you know good. You know

32:13 Speaker 2: it's not like, oh, yeah, he's he's doing his thing

32:16 Speaker 2: when he has time, right right.

32:20 Speaker 1: No, that's good.

32:21 Speaker 2: That's good that there's no issues there. That's how this

32:25 Speaker 2: whole thing came about.

32:25 Speaker 6: You know.

32:26 Speaker 2: I was like, you know, we're not really getting a

32:28 Speaker 2: lot of things done in the band. It's taken a

32:30 Speaker 2: long time. It's taken years. I'm just gonna learn how

32:32 Speaker 2: to play drums. Yeah, and then you know, ten fifteen

32:35 Speaker 2: years later.

32:36 Speaker 1: Yeah, we should explain to people too who are listening

32:42 Speaker 1: who might not know. You know, we've referred to this

32:45 Speaker 1: genre as black metal. Can you define that for our listeners.

32:48 Speaker 2: Who, Well, it's definitely not true black mel because that

32:53 Speaker 2: matters because these people are very elitist and categorical and

32:57 Speaker 2: gay keeping and don't listen to me. It's metal with

33:01 Speaker 2: some black metal influences, okay, but definitely has the spirit. Yeah,

33:06 Speaker 2: the lo Fi Spirit.

33:07 Speaker 1: Yeah.

33:09 Speaker 2: Yeah, black metal itself, like from the eighties, like the

33:13 Speaker 2: whole you know, Norwegian stuff, Yeah, Satanic Panic and all that,

33:18 Speaker 2: and then forty years later it's just kind of a influence.

33:23 Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it's tricky when you get into genres

33:26 Speaker 1: and labels and everything, because you're right, I mean, people

33:29 Speaker 1: people argue over you know, what is well, first of all,

33:35 Speaker 1: people have difficulty even agreeing what is quote unquote metal.

33:38 Speaker 1: You know, some some people have a very narrow definition

33:40 Speaker 1: of metal. Some people think that only the very heaviest

33:43 Speaker 1: of metal is truly metal. Yeah, and some people think

33:46 Speaker 1: a band like Poison, you know, we used to call

33:48 Speaker 1: it hair metal. You know, it's like, well metal though,

33:51 Speaker 1: is that? You know, it's it's uh, you know, nobody agrees.

33:55 Speaker 2: Or a kid might say now like oh Disturbed or

33:57 Speaker 2: five Finger Death Punch, like yes, okay, they are they

34:00 Speaker 2: are metal, yes, but whether or not those who are

34:03 Speaker 2: into medal like them.

34:05 Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Yeah, I worked in so I used to uh,

34:10 Speaker 1: well when an interview do before I was working there

34:12 Speaker 1: actually at Strawberries you remember Strawberries Befoh yeah, I love that. Yeah,

34:16 Speaker 1: and then eventually Fye because they bought us. But I

34:22 Speaker 1: worked in different locations over the years with that company,

34:25 Speaker 1: and there was one there was one location. You know

34:29 Speaker 1: how the CDs, remember, they would be broken out by category,

34:32 Speaker 1: so you add most of the stores, you know, like

34:35 Speaker 1: anything popular. You know, we had like we had a pop,

34:39 Speaker 1: R and B rock section which is what dominated the store,

34:43 Speaker 1: which would basically, you know, like you would have Disturbed

34:46 Speaker 1: in there, but you would also have Jennifer Lopez in

34:48 Speaker 1: There was just kind of everything sure, you know, everything

34:50 Speaker 1: that wasn't considered quote unquote niche or niche I guess

34:53 Speaker 1: now everyone says niche.

34:55 Speaker 2: But there was world.

34:57 Speaker 1: Yeah, there was one location that I worked in that

35:00 Speaker 1: actually had a metal section because I guess they felt

35:04 Speaker 1: that it I can't remember which one it was, but

35:06 Speaker 1: I guess they felt that it was appropriate for that location.

35:11 Speaker 1: But it was weird because I always thought it was

35:14 Speaker 1: just awkward because inevitably, you know, people would come in

35:17 Speaker 1: and they'd be looking for things in the metal section

35:20 Speaker 1: that wouldn't be there that they thought should be there,

35:22 Speaker 1: but they'd be in this broader pop rock section and

35:25 Speaker 1: there and there'd be people who would be like, well,

35:27 Speaker 1: you know, they'd find things in the metal section that

35:30 Speaker 1: you know, they didn't think should be there, and they

35:32 Speaker 1: would would complain about that. And that same location we

35:37 Speaker 1: also had a punk section, and you can imagine what

35:40 Speaker 1: a nightmare that would be, you know, because you know,

35:42 Speaker 1: you put Green Day in there and then people are

35:44 Speaker 1: mad about it. Do you have great? Well, you know,

35:48 Speaker 1: we generally consider them a punk band, but why they're

35:50 Speaker 1: not real punkin.

35:51 Speaker 2: You know, it's just like, do we need a pop

35:52 Speaker 2: punk section? Yeah?

35:54 Speaker 1: It just we probably should have had one. But you know,

35:58 Speaker 1: when you get into the label and the genres and everything,

36:01 Speaker 1: it's tricky.

36:01 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I found so many random fines and

36:05 Speaker 2: fantastic albums just through through looking. I missed I miss

36:09 Speaker 2: actual CDs? Yes, absolutely, yeah.

36:12 Speaker 1: Do you plan to release release this on or maybe

36:14 Speaker 1: you already have is a CD?

36:16 Speaker 2: Or I want to get it picked up my label

36:18 Speaker 2: and just do a small yeah, you know, one hundred

36:22 Speaker 2: five hundred thousand whatever it is.

36:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, that's that's great. His supplication. Do you

36:28 Speaker 1: guys have anything out on CD currently?

36:30 Speaker 2: Yeah? I almost gave you one, but I'm a terrible.

36:34 Speaker 1: That's all right.

36:35 Speaker 2: It was from two years ago. We had an album. Okay,

36:38 Speaker 2: I can't tell you a little record label. But yeah, yeah, yeah,

36:42 Speaker 2: we'll have we'll have a new EP coming out next year.

36:44 Speaker 2: Oh excellent, excellent, we got eight songs.

36:47 Speaker 1: That's another thing I remember from my days at Strawberries

36:50 Speaker 1: was when everyone would talk about how oh you know,

36:52 Speaker 1: because like I was working there when Napster first became

36:55 Speaker 1: a big deal. Oh sure, and uh, everybody was like, oh,

36:59 Speaker 1: that's the end of CD, you know, And then Napster

37:01 Speaker 1: kind of faded. But then Spotify came in and you know,

37:04 Speaker 1: iTunes and everything, and everybody was like, oh, that's the

37:06 Speaker 1: end of CDs. And here we are in twenty twenty

37:09 Speaker 1: four and there's still you know, like our first guests,

37:12 Speaker 1: the Forrest Forgets, gave us a CD. You know, there's

37:14 Speaker 1: still lots of CD.

37:15 Speaker 5: Yeah.

37:15 Speaker 2: I told you I was a bad guest.

37:16 Speaker 1: Yeah, alright, that's all right. It's the thought that counts.

37:19 Speaker 2: Yeah, I did. I was, I was here, I was

37:23 Speaker 2: on the throne. I'm like, yeah, I should totally get

37:25 Speaker 2: him something, right.

37:29 Speaker 1: But you're no, you didn't need to know where you

37:33 Speaker 1: were thinking.

37:33 Speaker 2: Oh, come on, that doesn't matter.

37:35 Speaker 1: It's fine.

37:36 Speaker 3: Some of it.

37:37 Speaker 1: We're men. We do our best thinking there, right.

37:39 Speaker 2: I was on the drum throne.

37:40 Speaker 1: Right, that's that's that's clearly what you meant.

37:43 Speaker 2: Yes, highlight.

37:48 Speaker 1: And what about any kind of visual representation for any

37:51 Speaker 1: of these songs you plan to do any any kind

37:53 Speaker 1: of videos or anything.

37:54 Speaker 2: Yeah, you know Rob Thomas kid very well, Yeah he does.

37:59 Speaker 2: He as his video.

38:01 Speaker 1: Oh he's killing it right now. Yeah. Yeah, he found

38:04 Speaker 1: his Fourth Kind Films niche Yeah, yep, Yeah, Rob's doing great.

38:10 Speaker 1: I've interviewed him. He actually, he might hold the record

38:15 Speaker 1: for a number of times interviewed by me. Oh, I've

38:20 Speaker 1: probably interviewed him. Not quite double digits, but close.

38:25 Speaker 2: He is relentless in his work.

38:27 Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and he's fascinating to talk to a great guy,

38:31 Speaker 1: so talented. But I think the next time I interview him,

38:34 Speaker 1: because I'm sure we'll have him on the show again soon.

38:36 Speaker 1: Uh it may it may not be as Kdaver, it

38:39 Speaker 1: may be as as as Rob because I think he's

38:42 Speaker 1: kind of now that he's so successful with Fourth Kind Films,

38:45 Speaker 1: I think he's kind of leaving Kadaver behind.

38:47 Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, sorry I didn't know a name on

38:51 Speaker 2: the spot, but oh the.

38:53 Speaker 1: Fourth Kind Films. Yeah yeah, yeah, but no, he's he's

38:57 Speaker 1: doing fantastic. Yeah, so you're gonna do a video with him? Yeah, excellent,

39:03 Speaker 1: very cool. Do you know what what track yet?

39:04 Speaker 2: Or I have absolutely no idea? Yeah, it's such a

39:07 Speaker 2: It was pull and teeth trying to figure out which

39:09 Speaker 2: songs I was gonna play here the way here.

39:11 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Well we do, we

39:17 Speaker 1: have time, Well, we'll play Uh, we'll play one more.

39:19 Speaker 1: In a moment, I was thinking maybe we should play

39:21 Speaker 1: the We'll play the King of an attention since we

39:24 Speaker 1: played the Queen of Escalation.

39:25 Speaker 2: All right, sounds good.

39:26 Speaker 1: And I have a feeling and not just because of

39:29 Speaker 1: the royalty presented by the titles, but I have a

39:32 Speaker 1: feeling these are these are these songs connected? Is this

39:34 Speaker 1: also a relationship related song?

39:38 Speaker 3: Yeah?

39:38 Speaker 2: Yeah? Taking shots at myself this time?

39:41 Speaker 1: Ah yes, same same relationship though.

39:45 Speaker 2: Or that and with added context of my son. Oh okay,

39:50 Speaker 2: he's uh, he's a very bright little boy, but he's

39:53 Speaker 2: also he's also special needs. Okay, okay, there's there has

39:58 Speaker 2: been blame and there has been heartache and it's been

40:01 Speaker 2: a long road.

40:02 Speaker 1: Yeah no, that's that's uh, that's challenging though, so you know, good,

40:07 Speaker 1: good for you to be able to handle that, oh,

40:09 Speaker 1: thank you and absolutely absolutely And where should people go online?

40:13 Speaker 1: I want to make sure everyone knows where to find

40:15 Speaker 1: your music. Where's the best place to go?

40:17 Speaker 5: Uh?

40:17 Speaker 2: Facebook, Apple, Amazon, pretty much all the little streaming services

40:22 Speaker 2: that people use and don't Yeah, yeah, right now. You

40:27 Speaker 2: can get hold of me pretty much every day on TikTok. Okay,

40:31 Speaker 2: that's been a big thing at Stephen Michael Dunn. But

40:34 Speaker 2: I'm always posting wisely done stuff and I'm posting supplication stuff.

40:40 Speaker 1: And yeah, excellent, excellent, very good. So we'll uh, we'll

40:45 Speaker 1: hit that track in a moment. And Jenny, you want

40:47 Speaker 1: to plug your your website.

40:49 Speaker 10: Sure you can check out more on me at Gencoffee

40:52 Speaker 10: dot com j E N N C O F f

40:54 Speaker 10: U I dot com. And don't forget one of my

40:56 Speaker 10: paintings is hanging at the Mosaic Art Collective, part of

40:59 Speaker 10: the Full Circle the Speed of Light Show, which is

41:02 Speaker 10: on exhibit for the month. Check it out at sixty

41:05 Speaker 10: six Hanover Street here in the Queen City.

41:08 Speaker 1: Yes, and that will be up until the end of September,

41:10 Speaker 1: the end of the month. Yeah. The painting, yeah, yeah,

41:12 Speaker 1: very good.

41:13 Speaker 10: And they are doing in our call right now for

41:15 Speaker 10: the next show on spell Bounds. I'll go check it out, submit.

41:18 Speaker 1: Your work, yes, yes, and let's see so if you

41:21 Speaker 1: miss any part of today's show and it will be

41:23 Speaker 1: up in just a little bit at Wmnhradio dot organ

41:26 Speaker 1: at my website Matt Connorton dot com. Thank you again,

41:28 Speaker 1: of course to the Forest Forgets for joining us in

41:31 Speaker 1: the first hour, and of course in the second hour.

41:33 Speaker 1: We had justin from four HM Clothing along with Joey

41:36 Speaker 1: Painter here and really loved speaking with them and Stephen

41:40 Speaker 1: Michael done. Thank you again so much, my friend for

41:42 Speaker 1: reaching out. It's great to see you. It's it's been

41:44 Speaker 1: a long day as well.

41:45 Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely yeah.

41:47 Speaker 1: Where do the years go? And as we get older

41:49 Speaker 1: the time goes quicker?

41:50 Speaker 2: If you notice, absolutely, it's not a good thing.

41:52 Speaker 1: It's not a good thing.

41:53 Speaker 2: I remember what did you eat last week?

41:57 Speaker 6: Oh?

42:01 Speaker 2: Exactly?

42:02 Speaker 1: All right, So we will we will close out with this.

42:05 Speaker 1: This is uh wisely done, is the project, and this

42:08 Speaker 1: is called King of inattention