Matt Connarton Unleashed: Wisely Dunn

Speaker 1: Welcome back everybody. We are well into our third hour New Marrow trace of Matt Connorton Unleashed and we are live from the studios of wm NH ninety five point three FM in Glorious Manchester, New Hampshire, streaming at Matt connorton dot com slash Live. Today is Saturday, September twenty one, two thy twenty four and we just heard a track called four and Ever and that is wisely done and we have Stephen Michael Done is here with us live in studio. Hello, welcome. Oh, I don't have your mic up. I apologize for that.

Speaker 1: Let's try that again.

Speaker 2: Hello, Hello sir, there we go.

Speaker 1: We switched switched on Mike's at the last minute. There, but now that sounds good, so welcome. It has been quite a long time since you and I talked.

Speaker 2: Yes, sir, it's been a lifetime.

Speaker 1: I have interviewed you before. What it must have been fifth like literally like fifteen years ago. Yes, is that even possible. It's amazing. That doesn't even seem possible to me. It's funny because you would uh, you had reached out to us, and you had mentioned uh at the time you were in the band supplication, and I remember I think in your message you said something like I don't know if you remember me or and I was like, oh, of course I remember the band. And then I saw your picture on Facebook and I was like, oh, yeah, I totally remember you.

Speaker 1: But uh yeah, so that was yeah, that was quite some time ago. And you said I actually interviewed you twice back then.

Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, one was with our drummer and bass player, and the second one was just the bass player.

Speaker 1: Okay, Scott, right, Scott Perry. Yeah, Scott and I are still in touch.

Speaker 2: He did.

Speaker 1: He did a podcast a few years ago called Courtesy Call, and and I was I was involved in that a little bit, helped him with that.

Speaker 2: But oh fantastic.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, because I remember the interview with What I remember about the interview with you and Scott Boy is that you were relentless in picking on him, you know, and it was it was a fun way. Yeah, you know, it was obviously there was camaraderie, although there were a couple of moments there where he did seem legitimately frustrated.

Speaker 2: But I don't know, if you know the Jason Newstead situation where they where they hazed him ridiculous.

Speaker 1: Oh of course, yeah, that was it.

Speaker 2: Was we were kids and kind of a holes, you know, that's that's what happens. He was new, No, it was.

Speaker 1: It was fun though. It was funny and all those all those interviews are still available online too, but jeez, I might have to go back and revisit that. Yeah, that was that was fun. But now how long were how long did you guys work together? In Supplication? That that was a while, right, that that band went on?

Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean we took a four year hiatus just for families and issues and things, and we came back last year. Actually okay, you know, stronger than ever. We got a new bass player.

Speaker 1: Oh very good fits.

Speaker 2: The band, and there was no hazing period necessary. Yeah, we are all adults. Is a different time, yeah, yeah, no, it's like fifteen years.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: I started in seven with them and wow around COVID area, took a break, yep, and then back at it.

Speaker 1: So Supplication so that exists now you guys are still doing that. Yeah, outstanding. Good for you, Good for you. And in addition to that, so we have wisely done is the official name of this project. Yeah, and this and this is all you correct?

Speaker 2: Yeah, doing the drums, bass, guitars, vocals, mixing. I had to reach out for artwork. I wanted to do it myself. I'm somewhat of an artist, yeah, painter, but uh yeah.

Speaker 1: What what went into the decision to And obviously, like I said, you know, you've still got the band supplication, But what went into the decision because that's a lot to take on. Like, I've always been really impressed. You know, I'm a musician. I've played in bands, but I've never done anything where and I've always got I wondered what it would be like to do something where I'm doing everything myself and it's, you know, entirely my vision, which it sounds like it would be very rewarding, but it also sounds like a hell of a lot of work and just an enormous challenge.

Speaker 1: So what what went into your decision to do this project?

Speaker 2: Originally I had a friend who was going to going to do vocals, and he, hey, have you already? He took his life, So.

Speaker 1: Oh my god, I'm sorry to hear that.

Speaker 2: Wow, I decided just to keep on trucking.

Speaker 1: Yeah, oh wow, that's terrible. So he was going to do the vocals and you were going to do everything else? Was that the original plan?

Speaker 2: Yeah, and I'm just like, no, I'm going to do this.

Speaker 1: Yeah wow, oh that's horrible. But so uh was this? Is this the first project where you've done lead vocals.

Speaker 2: Or I've dabbled in doing so stuff before, but never

Speaker 2: the music was never this well put together. It was never I never saw it as presentable. Yeah, you know,

Speaker 2: but there was a copyright claim issue and that had a lot to do with the naming of everything. But I took a few years back, step back and really worked on my songwriting and came back with this wisely done project.

Speaker 1: What was the I'm fascinated Anything involving copyright and trademark is fascinating to me. Like what happened?

Speaker 2: What was the issue? So I didn't know because I'm foolish and this was beyond my time. But there was a band whom name was sam Hean, but they didn't copyright the name, and for me, it was a super I had a super like black metal mindset, you know. Yeah, so I thought that was perfect, perfect name, perfect name. Didn't look into it. It was just like released album, you know, Oh no kidding, Yeah, yeah, you know, it didn't go anywhere, but that's fine. And they talked to me like hey, and I was like, oh ho, I didn't know.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, a lesson learned. Yeah right, yeah, Now does any of this music and uh and and well we'll play some more of it as we go. But does any of this also cross over into supplication or are you keeping this all completely separate?

Speaker 2: Yeah? No, I was really influenced by black metal music and I was trying to bring that into Supplication and it didn't work. It didn't jive with the guys. It didn't you know what I mean. So this is all separate.

Speaker 1: Okay, Okay, that surprises me actually that that you weren't able to because from what I remember about Supplication, I mean, it's pretty pretty well. The sound may have changed, though I haven't heard you guys in a in a long time.

Speaker 2: More less shreddy, more consistently groovy okay you know, slam yeah yeah yeah, chugging along yeah.

Speaker 1: And with this material, I mean, do you have any plans to perform this in any way? I'm not. I'm not sure how you would do it. It's just you.

Speaker 2: But there is a one man band out there called Putrid Pile who goes out and tours and he's he's a legend now, but he's been doing that for like twenty years. I couldn't see myself, uh doing that, but I could see myself consistently releasing records. Yeah, you know, in a timely manner.

Speaker 1: And this has a lot of tracks, which is interesting to me because you know, we live in a time where you can you can do it so many different ways. You know, some artists just release singles. Some artists will release a series of singles with the goal ultimately for it to become an album. You know, sort of of the inverse of how it used to be. You release an album and then you release singles from the album. Some artists just only release singles and that's all they ever do. So some release an EP. You know, we had the Forest Forgets On in the first hour, and they have an any EP that just came out.

Speaker 1: What went into your decision to make a full album, because again, it's like you've already you've already taken on the responsibility of doing this all yourself. You're not only doing it all yourself, but you're you're made a whole album out of this.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean that was the goal to begin with. It was never It was never about you know, getting music out there and just doing it. It was doing it for myself and doing it for doing it for them, for the memory of it.

Speaker 1: Yeah. But is it uh? Is it something that I don't know if? Well? Is there less pressure in terms of supplication? Obviously being in a band with a bunch of guys, you know, you want to do as much as you can in terms of you want as large an audience as you can get and whatnot and play all these shows and stuff. So is this as a solo project, is this more kind of you don't have that pressure?

Speaker 2: Uh? Yeah. I can just pretty much do what I want. I you know, just I suppose I can release singles and do everything like that. I just wanted to get this out there. Yeah, you know, I I have I have my next record in mind, you know, I just want to keep going with some music.

Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah, that's that's awesome. Uh, well, we can play another track. Do you have a what what do you have in mind? I put you on the spot here.

Speaker 2: How about praise? Praise?

Speaker 1: Gotcha? Any kind of a story behind this? Yeah?

Speaker 2: Absolutely, it's basically you know, reflecting on my upbringing and now that I have a son, how it reflects with him and how it's basically full circle.

Speaker 1: And yeah, so this is a very personal song.

Speaker 2: Yeah, sounds like yeah, this whole album, it's very different from Supplication that's which which is you know, normal death metal. This is very personal everything on the record.

Speaker 1: So yeah, all right, let's give this a listen. This is wisely done and the track is called Praise.

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Speaker 1: The track is Praise the Artist is wisely done here with us live in studio, and yeah, we're talking off air a little bit about the track. You know, you were pointing out how you kind of do a thing there where the chorus that actually slows down instead of speeding up like you might like you might expect, and it sounded like too. Was there another were the vocals layered in that? Yeah, it sounded Yeah, it kind of added some texture to it that I liked.

Speaker 2: I am not brave enough to do a solo take right right.

Speaker 1: I'm always fascinated too by singers who can do that. We we talked about this a little bit with Griffin from the Forest Forgets. You know, in their music, you know, he sings it clean for the most part, but then there's some there's some screams, usually kind of toward the end as the song builds. But to be able to sing like that, what is your like? Do you have any kind of a protocol to kind of protect your voice, protect your vocal chords, because I would imagine that. I mean, if I tried to do that, I'd probably uh destroy my larynx or something.

Speaker 1: I mean, how do you how do you do that? And how do you learn to do that?

Speaker 2: Basically singing along to songs you like songs, you know, but if there's any pressure in your throat or anything like that, you're not doing it right. You're supposed to come from your gut, Yeah, you know, the tone comes from your throat if you think of it like that. Yeah, and also how you position your tongue if you put it in the through for your mouth and yeah, I don't want to yeah yeah.

Speaker 4: Yeah.

Speaker 1: Griffin was kind of saying too, if as long as like it's not it sounds difficult, but it's not difficult if you learn to do it correctly, which is important too, because if you learn to do it correctly, you're a lot less likely to hurt yourself, you know, because there's no shortage of stories of you know, singers who've had to have you know, usually as when they get older, they have to have throat surgeries and you know, because they've put all this stress and strain on their vocal cords over the years.

Speaker 1: But was it h Have you always been able to do that? Because I would imagine like, do you do backing vocals in supplication?

Speaker 2: Yeah? Absolutely, Yeah, so you already had that that skill, Yeah, pretty much. It was it was learning to try to to sing normally. That's the key, that's the right right.

Speaker 1: There's that it's it's kind of a famous among musicians. What is it called the zen of screaming? Do you know the she's a teacher, Yeah, she's a vocal coach. Yeah, I think it's called the Zen of Screaming and uh, and she has a DVD or now you know, you probably just stream it now. But that that I've been hearing about from from singers who sing those aggressive vocals for probably twenty years now. But but I guess she kind of she's known. I wish I could remember her name, but I guess, right, I guess she's known for being kind of the best teacher in terms of again, how to do that, how to do that safely.

Speaker 1: But when you're recording this music and you're singing like that, you have to take you have to take breaks and kind of let your your vocal chords recover or are you able to just maintain that?

Speaker 2: No, I can pretty much roll with it. I'll do a verse, you know, I'll I'll mix it a little bit. I'll do the underlaying verse and then just move on.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: So I mean I can do it for six hours. It just wow, you know, just kind of I guess it ebbs and flows. Yeah, I'm not screaming on minutes on end, right, right, right?

Speaker 1: And can you tell me about your recording process? You know, I'm a recording nerd. I love hearing about this stuff. And you know it's funny just as we were talking earlier about especially you know since the last time I interviewed you. Uh, there's so many different ways now to release music. There's also so many different ways now to record music. You know, you can you can go to a recording studio like a lot of our guests, for example, they go to Eric Sotter at Blackheart. You can do that and and get great results.

Speaker 1: But you can also, if you know what you're doing, you can record in your living room and get great results too. What's what's your process?

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Speaker 1: How did you record this music?

Speaker 2: This is as di I Y cheap as possible, the total black metal essence if you know anything about black metal recording on a little you know, tape tape recorder. Yeah, yeah, that essence. But now new in the new age, ye just starting mostly USB USB microphones, electronic drums. I got an SD twelve hundred kit, yeah, and that I tweaked it to make it sound as real as possible, so hopefully you wouldn't be able to tell. Yeah, But as actual writing and that goes, I start with guitar, get the skeleton of the song, and then I'll click it out with a metronome and then record drums to the scratch guitar, oh for real interesting, Okay, and then I'll do real guitars over that and real you know everything else.

Speaker 1: Yeah, so for you, So it's easiest to get that scratch guitar track down first, so you know where you are in the song, and then you do the Yeah, the drums do sound realistic. That's another thing too, that's amazing about I know geez, because there was a time when you know, you could tell, right, like like twenty years ago if you heard something I mean, not necessarily something recorded with a drum machine and a million dollar studio, because they would obviously have a very very good drum machine.

Speaker 1: But you know, if you listen to somebody's demo and it was done with a drum machine, you could tell, yeah, you know what I mean. But now the drum sounds are so. We had a guest on a couple of years ago. I forget his actual h his government name as they say, but he has a project called Downhill Rollers and it's all him and I just I was floored when he told me that those were pre programmed drums on pro program drums on his tracks because they sounded so realistic. I was like, I can't believe you got such a realistic you know, I mean it really does sound like a live drummer.

Speaker 1: I know some of these programs too, they have I think they just call it a humanizer effect where you can that you can put on it so that it's not quite perfect.

Speaker 2: So that that sounds wild to me. I know, right, No, this is not quantized, be corrected. This is not you know, this is not that.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, so that's uh, that's amazing. Is the process? Like if you could put an average on it, how long does it take? How long did it take you to record each track?

Speaker 2: Each song on this album, between like writing itself and recording and everything that goes along with it, probably one hundred hours of track no kidding, wow, I mean that's a lot of mixing and too, So that's accounting everything.

Speaker 1: So you do all the mixing yourself and everything.

Speaker 2: Yes, unfortunately that is the most tedious. I dislike that the most.

Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, well yeah, You're fatigue is probably a big problem, right sir.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I don't know if you guys know that meme where it's a I've been working on my record for six hours all night and now it sounds worse.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, do you have to Yeah for a listener who don't know. Uh, you know, if if you listen to something over and over again as you're working on it, you kind of get you know, part of it is psychological, right, you kind of get sick of it, and part of it I think that I think there is a physical ear fatigue too that can happen, especially you know if you've got your headphones really loud because you don't want to miss anything, but then you know, you start to get your ears are ringing. You've got tonight, this and the you know, the whole deal.

Speaker 1: So yeah, I mean you probably I assume over the course of this project there were probably many a moment that you had to just get up and walk away from it.

Speaker 2: Right you know, yeah, no, absolutely it I I quantify like trying to move a mountain with a bucket. It's like just lit a little bit at a time. Yeah, you know, it's a daily process. It's something you got to do every day. It's like working out, you know, Yeah, you've got to do it, got to build momentum and.

Speaker 1: You know, yeah, how do you say motivated. I mean, do you over the course of recording this, did you ever have a moment where you thought, I don't know if I don't know if I'm on the right the right track here, no pun intended, but yeah.

Speaker 2: Only all the time. Yeah, yeah, no, I I was pretty dead set on what I wanted to do. There was there was a few songs I didn't make the record, yeah, but motivation wise, it just came from came from losing my buddy.

Speaker 1: H So, yeah, do you plan to You strike me as someone who probably writes a lot. I assume you have other music that you've written. Do you plan to continue past this album? Do you plan to do another one in the future?

Speaker 2: Yeah, My next one is Uncherished. I have nine songs ready for it.

Speaker 1: Oh wow. Yeah, yeah, so you're already you're already working on it.

Speaker 2: I've been. I've been sitting on this record for a little while.

Speaker 1: Yeah, so.

Speaker 2: You know, over the past few months, just been writing and letting those juices flow and all that.

Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, outstanding. Well, let's yeah, let's playin it. Yeah. Oh yeah, we got plenty of time. Let's play another one. What should we play next?

Speaker 2: Queen or King?

Speaker 1: Queen or King all right? And why am I not seeing that? I'm seeing Queen of Queen of Escalation.

Speaker 2: Yeah? Oh is that it? Yeah, let's roll with that.

Speaker 1: Oh, I see you weren't saying okay Queen or uh. I'm sorry. Oh you were offering me two options because you have you have Queen of Escalation and King of inattention.

Speaker 2: Okay, all right, I'm taking shots at myself and everyone else.

Speaker 1: What's the okay? So Queen of Escalation will play and what's a story behind this one?

Speaker 2: Just a significant other at the time and a relationship song. Yeah, yep. Can never win, you can never get ahead, you can never You know, everyone's been there, so I hope not everyone.

Speaker 1: But I have to ask has she heard this that you know of?

Speaker 2: Yes?

Speaker 1: And what how did she like it?

Speaker 2: Let's just into it.

Speaker 1: She is good, okay, goad no love love Okay, that's good. All right, Let's give this a listen. This is Queen of Escalation by Wisely Done.

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Speaker 1: That is queen of escalation. The project is wisely done and we have Stephen Michael done with us here live in studio and that is all him and h very very cool. Now, are you in terms of going forward with this will because you you mentioned was it I forget en if it was? Oh no, I was on aeron. Yeah, we're talking about the next project. You've already got songs written and ready to go. Yes, Do you have a theme in mind for that project as well, because this one seems to have you know, you told this kind of the backstory of how this came about.

Speaker 1: Is is there some sort of a theme with the next album or is it just going to be more of a collection of songs or.

Speaker 2: In the same way that this is a collection of songs, we're loosely based around you know, myself and everything in my life. Yeah, it'll be more of the same. Yeah, but the music is I think stepped up, and I I'm definitely taking notes from this album.

Speaker 1: Yeah yeah. Will you're will your approach change or I mean in terms of because again, you know, you're doing everything yourself, so that gives you the freedom to really kind of do it however you want, well your your process change at all, or do you think you're gonna do it pretty much the same way.

Speaker 2: I'm gonna do it the same way. The songs are a little simpler. I can do more layers with guitars and more harmonies, more solos. Yeah, yeah, improve to me anyway. Yeah, yeah, it feels it feels good to me. They feel good.

Speaker 1: Do you intend to bring in any guest musicians or guest vocalists or anything like that, or is it important to you to kind of keep this, keep this as your you know, your expression and so forth.

Speaker 2: I'd never considered it, to be honest. Yeah, I think I'm just gonna keep it just just from how from how it started with me and my buddy. I think i think I'm gonna keep it just me.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, that makes sense. Does anybody from supplication ever say hey, man, i'd like to I'd like to help you with the or do they do they understand that this is this is yours and you want to keep it separate.

Speaker 2: No, they're they're definitely cool with it. They they helped me pick songs and yeah, you know good. You know it's not like, oh, yeah, he's he's doing his thing when he has time, right right.

Speaker 1: No, that's good.

Speaker 2: That's good that there's no issues there. That's how this whole thing came about.

Speaker 6: You know.

Speaker 2: I was like, you know, we're not really getting a lot of things done in the band. It's taken a long time. It's taken years. I'm just gonna learn how to play drums. Yeah, and then you know, ten fifteen years later.

Speaker 1: Yeah, we should explain to people too who are listening who might not know. You know, we've referred to this genre as black metal. Can you define that for our listeners.

Speaker 2: Who, Well, it's definitely not true black mel because that matters because these people are very elitist and categorical and gay keeping and don't listen to me. It's metal with some black metal influences, okay, but definitely has the spirit. Yeah, the lo Fi Spirit.

Speaker 1: Yeah.

Speaker 2: Yeah, black metal itself, like from the eighties, like the whole you know, Norwegian stuff, Yeah, Satanic Panic and all that, and then forty years later it's just kind of a influence.

Speaker 1: Yeah. I mean it's tricky when you get into genres and labels and everything, because you're right, I mean, people people argue over you know, what is well, first of all, people have difficulty even agreeing what is quote unquote metal. You know, some some people have a very narrow definition of metal. Some people think that only the very heaviest of metal is truly metal. Yeah, and some people think a band like Poison, you know, we used to call it hair metal. You know, it's like, well metal though, is that?

Speaker 1: You know, it's it's uh, you know, nobody agrees.

Speaker 2: Or a kid might say now like oh Disturbed or five Finger Death Punch, like yes, okay, they are they are metal, yes, but whether or not those who are into medal like them.

Speaker 1: Right, Yeah, Yeah, I worked in so I used to uh, well when an interview do before I was working there actually at Strawberries you remember Strawberries Befoh yeah, I love that. Yeah, and then eventually Fye because they bought us. But I worked in different locations over the years with that company, and there was one there was one location. You know how the CDs, remember, they would be broken out by category, so you add most of the stores, you know, like anything popular. You know, we had like we had a pop, R and B rock section which is what dominated the store, which would basically, you know, like you would have Disturbed in there, but you would also have Jennifer Lopez in There was just kind of everything sure, you know, everything that wasn't considered quote unquote niche or niche I guess now everyone says niche.

Speaker 2: But there was world.

Speaker 1: Yeah, there was one location that I worked in that actually had a metal section because I guess they felt that it I can't remember which one it was, but I guess they felt that it was appropriate for that location. But it was weird because I always thought it was just awkward because inevitably, you know, people would come in and they'd be looking for things in the metal section that wouldn't be there that they thought should be there, but they'd be in this broader pop rock section and there and there'd be people who would be like, well, you know, they'd find things in the metal section that you know, they didn't think should be there, and they would would complain about that.

Speaker 1: And that same location we also had a punk section, and you can imagine what a nightmare that would be, you know, because you know, you put Green Day in there and then people are mad about it. Do you have great? Well, you know, we generally consider them a punk band, but why they're not real punkin.

Speaker 2: You know, it's just like, do we need a pop punk section? Yeah?

Speaker 1: It just we probably should have had one. But you know, when you get into the label and the genres and everything, it's tricky.

Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, yeah, I found so many random fines and fantastic albums just through through looking. I missed I miss actual CDs? Yes, absolutely, yeah.

Speaker 1: Do you plan to release release this on or maybe you already have is a CD?

Speaker 2: Or I want to get it picked up my label and just do a small yeah, you know, one hundred five hundred thousand whatever it is.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, that's that's great. His supplication. Do you guys have anything out on CD currently?

Speaker 2: Yeah? I almost gave you one, but I'm a terrible.

Speaker 1: That's all right.

Speaker 2: It was from two years ago. We had an album. Okay, I can't tell you a little record label. But yeah, yeah, yeah, we'll have we'll have a new EP coming out next year. Oh excellent, excellent, we got eight songs.

Speaker 1: That's another thing I remember from my days at Strawberries was when everyone would talk about how oh you know, because like I was working there when Napster first became a big deal. Oh sure, and uh, everybody was like, oh, that's the end of CD, you know, And then Napster kind of faded. But then Spotify came in and you know, iTunes and everything, and everybody was like, oh, that's the end of CDs. And here we are in twenty twenty four and there's still you know, like our first guests, the Forrest Forgets, gave us a CD.

Speaker 1: You know, there's still lots of CD.

Speaker 5: Yeah.

Speaker 2: I told you I was a bad guest.

Speaker 1: Yeah, alright, that's all right. It's the thought that counts.

Speaker 2: Yeah, I did. I was, I was here, I was on the throne. I'm like, yeah, I should totally get him something, right.

Speaker 1: But you're no, you didn't need to know where you were thinking.

Speaker 2: Oh, come on, that doesn't matter.

Speaker 1: It's fine.

Speaker 3: Some of it.

Speaker 1: We're men. We do our best thinking there, right.

Speaker 2: I was on the drum throne.

Speaker 1: Right, that's that's that's clearly what you meant.

Speaker 2: Yes, highlight.

Speaker 1: And what about any kind of visual representation for any of these songs you plan to do any any kind of videos or anything.

Speaker 2: Yeah, you know Rob Thomas kid very well, Yeah he does. He as his video.

Speaker 1: Oh he's killing it right now. Yeah. Yeah, he found his Fourth Kind Films niche Yeah, yep, Yeah, Rob's doing great. I've interviewed him. He actually, he might hold the record for a number of times interviewed by me. Oh, I've probably interviewed him. Not quite double digits, but close.

Speaker 2: He is relentless in his work.

Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and he's fascinating to talk to a great guy, so talented. But I think the next time I interview him, because I'm sure we'll have him on the show again soon. Uh it may it may not be as Kdaver, it may be as as as Rob because I think he's kind of now that he's so successful with Fourth Kind Films, I think he's kind of leaving Kadaver behind.

Speaker 2: Yeah yeah, yeah, sorry I didn't know a name on the spot, but oh the.

Speaker 1: Fourth Kind Films. Yeah yeah, yeah, but no, he's he's doing fantastic. Yeah, so you're gonna do a video with him? Yeah, excellent, very cool. Do you know what what track yet?

Speaker 2: Or I have absolutely no idea? Yeah, it's such a It was pull and teeth trying to figure out which songs I was gonna play here the way here.

Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no doubt, no doubt. Well we do, we have time, Well, we'll play Uh, we'll play one more. In a moment, I was thinking maybe we should play the We'll play the King of an attention since we played the Queen of Escalation.

Speaker 2: All right, sounds good.

Speaker 1: And I have a feeling and not just because of the royalty presented by the titles, but I have a feeling these are these are these songs connected? Is this also a relationship related song?

Speaker 3: Yeah?

Speaker 2: Yeah? Taking shots at myself this time?

Speaker 1: Ah yes, same same relationship though.

Speaker 2: Or that and with added context of my son. Oh okay, he's uh, he's a very bright little boy, but he's also he's also special needs. Okay, okay, there's there has been blame and there has been heartache and it's been a long road.

Speaker 1: Yeah no, that's that's uh, that's challenging though, so you know, good, good for you to be able to handle that, oh, thank you and absolutely absolutely And where should people go online? I want to make sure everyone knows where to find your music. Where's the best place to go?

Speaker 5: Uh?

Speaker 2: Facebook, Apple, Amazon, pretty much all the little streaming services that people use and don't Yeah, yeah, right now. You can get hold of me pretty much every day on TikTok. Okay, that's been a big thing at Stephen Michael Dunn. But I'm always posting wisely done stuff and I'm posting supplication stuff.

Speaker 1: And yeah, excellent, excellent, very good. So we'll uh, we'll hit that track in a moment. And Jenny, you want to plug your your website.

Speaker 10: Sure you can check out more on me at Gencoffee dot com j E N N C O F f U I dot com. And don't forget one of my paintings is hanging at the Mosaic Art Collective, part of the Full Circle the Speed of Light Show, which is on exhibit for the month. Check it out at sixty six Hanover Street here in the Queen City.

Speaker 1: Yes, and that will be up until the end of September, the end of the month. Yeah. The painting, yeah, yeah, very good.

Speaker 10: And they are doing in our call right now for the next show on spell Bounds. I'll go check it out, submit.

Speaker 1: Your work, yes, yes, and let's see so if you miss any part of today's show and it will be up in just a little bit at Wmnhradio dot organ at my website Matt Connorton dot com. Thank you again, of course to the Forest Forgets for joining us in the first hour, and of course in the second hour. We had justin from four HM Clothing along with Joey Painter here and really loved speaking with them and Stephen Michael done. Thank you again so much, my friend for reaching out. It's great to see you. It's it's been a long day as well.

Speaker 2: Yes, absolutely yeah.

Speaker 1: Where do the years go? And as we get older the time goes quicker?

Speaker 2: If you notice, absolutely, it's not a good thing.

Speaker 1: It's not a good thing.

Speaker 2: I remember what did you eat last week?

Speaker 6: Oh?

Speaker 2: Exactly?

Speaker 1: All right, So we will we will close out with this. This is uh wisely done, is the project, and this is called King of inattention