Mike Loughlin | Matt Connarton Unleashed

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0:50 Speaker 1: were with us in the first hour of the show today,

0:52 Speaker 1: I just heard from Dave Derby from the Dan Builders.

0:55 Speaker 1: He was supposed to be joining us during the first

0:57 Speaker 1: hour but ran into an issue, but we might get

0:59 Speaker 1: him on in the hour today, so this might all

1:01 Speaker 1: work out. But let's focus on right now because our

1:05 Speaker 1: friend Mike Lachlan is here in studio. Let me get

1:08 Speaker 1: those Uh, Mike's up there. How you doing, Mike, Let's

1:12 Speaker 1: see keep talking?

1:14 Speaker 2: Is it good? Oh?

1:15 Speaker 1: Yeah, there we go?

1:16 Speaker 2: Are we unleashed? Here? Is this unleashed too?

1:18 Speaker 1: This is Matt Connorton unleash and we are live from

1:21 Speaker 1: the studios of wh Sorry it's from my guitar a

1:26 Speaker 1: little please, would you? Oh that sounds gorgeous. Well, that

1:31 Speaker 1: sounds so good. That sounds so good. So Mike Lachlan

1:34 Speaker 1: of course, And I got to adjust this camera because

1:36 Speaker 1: you gotta have a camera on you, Mike Lachlan, very

1:40 Speaker 1: old friend. Yeah, I always say I was saying this

1:42 Speaker 1: this morning when I was talking about who's coming on

1:44 Speaker 1: the show today, And you've heard me say this a

1:45 Speaker 1: thousand times. I can always remember exactly how long I've

1:48 Speaker 1: known you. You remember why, right I do? I met you?

1:51 Speaker 1: I think it was literally the week of nine to eleven.

1:54 Speaker 2: We have that power over the event, our friendship. I

1:57 Speaker 2: could make a really horrible joke, but I won't, but

2:00 Speaker 2: I'll leave it.

2:00 Speaker 1: There too soon. Yeah no, but uh, but that that

2:05 Speaker 1: is very easy to remember, how long I've known you.

2:08 Speaker 1: So it's been twenty five years.

2:09 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Yeah, it's time. Time doesn't just fly,

2:12 Speaker 2: It's it's so fleeting. It's I don't even it feels like,

2:17 Speaker 2: honestly like ten years ago, but like it's twenty. Yeah.

2:20 Speaker 1: Yeah, it goes faster. You notice it goes faster as

2:22 Speaker 1: we get older.

2:23 Speaker 2: Yeah. I think it's a downward spiral toward the toilet bottom.

2:25 Speaker 2: You know that. It's like it it goes quicker.

2:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, and it sucks. Have you noticed that how much

2:30 Speaker 1: it sucks?

2:30 Speaker 2: Yeah?

2:30 Speaker 1: That it works out, works more. Ye, my knees, it's

2:34 Speaker 1: all terrible. I don't have any of those problems yet.

2:36 Speaker 1: I'm actually holding up really well. But uh see, I

2:39 Speaker 1: assume because I like, physically I still feel like I'm

2:42 Speaker 1: twenty five. But I think what that is is I'm

2:44 Speaker 1: just one of those people who I'm just gonna wake

2:46 Speaker 1: up one day and it's all gonna crash all at once.

2:49 Speaker 1: Like I'm just gonna wake up one morning with debilitating

2:51 Speaker 1: back pain and can barely walk and it's just gonna

2:54 Speaker 1: it's just all gonna hit me all at the same time.

2:56 Speaker 2: I think, Yes, I so do you? How are your

2:58 Speaker 2: eyes good, so am mine. I have really good eyes too. Yeah,

3:01 Speaker 2: but it's it's a I keep the same way you

3:05 Speaker 2: just said. I've heard from many people, including a brother

3:07 Speaker 2: of mine, that like, it's you're fine, and then the cliff, right,

3:10 Speaker 2: it just comes. I'm like, all right, yeah, yeah, not

3:12 Speaker 2: that we'll see.

3:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, i'd rather I think I like it the way

3:17 Speaker 1: I like it, the way I'm maintaining for now, at least,

3:20 Speaker 1: because I can still delude myself into just thinking I'm

3:22 Speaker 1: going to feel this way forever, even though you know

3:25 Speaker 1: I'm not going to see the cliff coming. But I

3:27 Speaker 1: guess you're not supposed to see the cliff coming now,

3:28 Speaker 1: would or it wouldn't be the cliff.

3:29 Speaker 2: But remember, you're not a mere mortal Matt. You are

3:31 Speaker 2: a former mister Olympian. So that's that is a thing

3:35 Speaker 2: that you you were not just amongst us minions here,

3:38 Speaker 2: You're you're a man amongst men.

3:40 Speaker 1: Thank you for mentioning that. Nobody ever brings that up,

3:42 Speaker 1: that I'm a former mister Olympian.

3:43 Speaker 2: It is on your IMDb. I thought it is.

3:46 Speaker 1: Yes, nobody ever gives me credit for it, though, it's

3:49 Speaker 1: almost like they think it's fake or something.

3:51 Speaker 2: I don't consider it fake. That's really checks. Don't check,

3:54 Speaker 2: don't look up, don't doubt it, don't look for real facts.

3:57 Speaker 2: Just just accept truth. Yes, when it comes from the

4:00 Speaker 2: mouth of anyone, it's more fun, That's what I say.

4:02 Speaker 2: It's more fun.

4:03 Speaker 1: Exactly well said Sir Well said, So, of course you

4:06 Speaker 1: are a musician from the area rumored to be Yeah, yeah,

4:11 Speaker 1: how's your life schedule been, You've been playing a lot.

4:14 Speaker 2: I've been playing. I mean, I know the last time

4:15 Speaker 2: I talked to you, I think I told you that

4:17 Speaker 2: I have like a vocal condition that kind of makes

4:20 Speaker 2: it rougher for me to play consistently, like back to

4:23 Speaker 2: back nights and right like that.

4:24 Speaker 1: So so you're still dealing with that.

4:27 Speaker 2: It's gonna be a chronic thing.

4:29 Speaker 1: I was told, so like as in, you're just stuck

4:32 Speaker 1: with it forever.

4:32 Speaker 2: I can manage it. But it's like it probably, I mean,

4:36 Speaker 2: it's like, you know, there's certain I was told dietary

4:39 Speaker 2: habits can change things, but I want a really strict

4:41 Speaker 2: diet and I didn't see any difference. So it's like,

4:43 Speaker 2: this is not fun. Oh wow, So you know it's

4:48 Speaker 2: it's I think part of it's probably psychological. You start

4:52 Speaker 2: overthinking because it's all about your tent, my tension in

4:54 Speaker 2: my vocal cords. Yeah, so if you get nervous or

4:57 Speaker 2: you start thinking about it too much, that becomes a

4:59 Speaker 2: par with your vocal cords because your upper body tenses up.

5:03 Speaker 1: Oh so, so it works the same as ed as

5:05 Speaker 1: what you're saying.

5:06 Speaker 2: I mean, let's just put it in the same let's

5:10 Speaker 2: put it in the same category.

5:12 Speaker 1: Sure, sure, So so how do you how do you

5:16 Speaker 1: manage that? So do you just you just don't play?

5:18 Speaker 2: I don't play. I can play basically. I play mostly

5:21 Speaker 2: once a week. Okay, sometimes twice, but that's rare. It

5:25 Speaker 2: stinks because I really, over the years and you've known me,

5:27 Speaker 2: I've I love playing in bands and I miss doing that.

5:30 Speaker 2: But the way of doing if I had rehearsal time

5:32 Speaker 2: and then gigs, that would make it really hard for me.

5:36 Speaker 1: Oh geez, I didn't even think of that part because.

5:38 Speaker 2: I'd be and I'm a pretty I go for it vocally,

5:41 Speaker 2: so it's hard for me to kind of just I

5:43 Speaker 2: can't just fake it and be like, Okay, tonight, we're

5:45 Speaker 2: going to do this and all this. But like the

5:47 Speaker 2: whole feeling of a practice even is come of the

5:49 Speaker 2: same as a live gig for me, so whis No,

5:52 Speaker 2: maybe that's wrong to do, but that's just the way

5:53 Speaker 2: it is for me, so right right.

5:55 Speaker 1: Wow, while I'm dying to hear you play, I haven't.

5:57 Speaker 1: It's been so long since when was the last time

5:59 Speaker 1: you're on the show? I know it's been at least

6:00 Speaker 1: a couple of years, because this is your first time

6:02 Speaker 1: in the news studio.

6:03 Speaker 2: It's three or four years ago. Oh my god, I

6:06 Speaker 2: don't wow, I don't know.

6:07 Speaker 1: No, I can't be that one.

6:08 Speaker 2: Four years ago sounds right, right? Maybe three? I remember

6:12 Speaker 2: you had who's the guy who? You had a great

6:15 Speaker 2: photo on the wall of a painting of one of

6:18 Speaker 2: your uh.

6:19 Speaker 1: Oh, it was probably Gonzo because because we used to

6:22 Speaker 1: have a lot of his.

6:23 Speaker 2: Artwork in the old studio front of some guy's head,

6:25 Speaker 2: and it was like, oh yeah, theograft head.

6:27 Speaker 1: The giant cardboard Peter whitehead.

6:29 Speaker 2: Yes, yes, that's great, I remember that one.

6:31 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah, A little little less space here. This room

6:34 Speaker 1: is smaller, but but it's better, you know. The new

6:37 Speaker 1: building is wonderful. It's funny when I first found out

6:40 Speaker 1: we were moving here, because this used to be a

6:42 Speaker 1: bus station, and it still shows up on Google as

6:45 Speaker 1: a bus station, which is why there's even a sign

6:47 Speaker 1: on the building that says we do not sell bus

6:48 Speaker 1: tickets here because sometimes why people still ring the doorbell

6:51 Speaker 1: wanting bus tickets. It's crazy. But uh, when we've when

6:53 Speaker 1: I found out we were first moving here, I was like, oh,

6:55 Speaker 1: the building is going to be too small. We're moving

6:57 Speaker 1: there really, but it's kind of like one of those

6:58 Speaker 1: magic buildings where you walk in side and there's actually

7:00 Speaker 1: a lot more space on it than you would expect.

7:02 Speaker 2: It's like that movie back Rooms. Have you seen the

7:04 Speaker 2: trailer for that? No, it's like some old it's a

7:07 Speaker 2: YouTube thing from years ago. Oh really, but it's like

7:09 Speaker 2: one of those old industrial buildings. Yeah, that just seems

7:12 Speaker 2: to go on forever. Yeah, and that that's kind of

7:14 Speaker 2: the premise. It's like this weird space that's in there,

7:16 Speaker 2: that's like, how is this keep going?

7:18 Speaker 1: Right?

7:19 Speaker 2: So yeah, it's kind of it looks like this.

7:21 Speaker 1: Oh interesting to be had, it's interesting. Yeah. Well I'm dying.

7:24 Speaker 1: Are you play?

7:25 Speaker 3: What do you?

7:25 Speaker 1: What are you gonna play for us?

7:26 Speaker 2: I'm gonna play a new song called on deaf Ears.

7:29 Speaker 1: All right, Mike Laughlan here with us live in studio.

8:00 Speaker 4: You don't on your high horse.

8:03 Speaker 3: I want to see you ride somewhere aware of the righteous.

8:08 Speaker 4: Singing the sing le or his side.

8:12 Speaker 5: Let me be whitneys your lemma here, ain't ma'am from

8:18 Speaker 5: the congregation singing songs for only them?

8:24 Speaker 4: Maybe again, I'm you blind to see? But I don't

8:27 Speaker 4: they send men for me. I just want me taking

8:32 Speaker 4: for I high hide forty five found the words you sing?

8:38 Speaker 6: I would he speak the man anyway because I'm going

8:42 Speaker 6: where they be falling on ever.

8:47 Speaker 4: Again. See that I'm shining halos. I see the tears

9:15 Speaker 4: you shed.

9:16 Speaker 6: It's the only when there's eyes a round of siege.

9:20 Speaker 1: Just what you did, because.

9:22 Speaker 4: Every thing is our texts.

9:25 Speaker 3: Now, everything's for sale, currencies you and me.

9:31 Speaker 4: I saw.

9:32 Speaker 2: So what is Bill?

9:34 Speaker 4: Maybe he how't you're blind to see?

9:37 Speaker 6: But I know all this ain't meant for me, and

9:40 Speaker 6: I just want to take him for I hide. What

9:46 Speaker 6: if I found the words you say? I want here

9:49 Speaker 6: speak the man anyway.

9:51 Speaker 4: Because I know they be falling around ever.

9:57 Speaker 7: Again, and there everything there it was, He's upside down.

10:34 Speaker 6: And maybe you're just finally see I'm.

10:41 Speaker 4: Not play a lord.

11:09 Speaker 6: Maybe I'm just trying to see, I know on the

11:13 Speaker 6: same man for me.

11:15 Speaker 4: And night you's gonna be taken for. I hide.

11:21 Speaker 6: For if I've found the words you say, Oh Blain

11:24 Speaker 6: speak the man in wait.

11:26 Speaker 4: Of course I go where they be falling around Ethie again.

11:41 Speaker 8: Around ethe skin, around thee again.

12:01 Speaker 1: Oh my god, I love it. Oh that was great.

12:04 Speaker 1: See what's that called again?

12:06 Speaker 2: On deaf ears?

12:07 Speaker 1: On deaf ears? What a great track? If you're just

12:10 Speaker 1: joining us are a great song I should say not a

12:12 Speaker 1: track because it's not prerecorded, but welcome everybody, if you

12:16 Speaker 1: are just joining us. Mike Lachlan is here with us

12:18 Speaker 1: live in studio. That is wonderful. Now when did you

12:21 Speaker 1: write that? Was that recent?

12:23 Speaker 2: Probably in the last five months. Really, it's pretty four

12:27 Speaker 2: or five months, Yeah.

12:28 Speaker 1: Pretty fresh. Yeah. Well, any particular inspiration for that, I.

12:33 Speaker 2: Would just call somewhat social media madness, gotcha, gotcha. I

12:38 Speaker 2: mean that that warmhole of bottomless pit of nothing that

12:43 Speaker 2: I think is killing us and destroying us is that's

12:46 Speaker 2: kind of the inspiration somewhat. It's it's not an obvious

12:48 Speaker 2: but it's like partly.

12:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, you've been talking about that a lot on

12:53 Speaker 1: You've been posting about that well actually over the years,

12:55 Speaker 1: I don't know if I saw something just the other

12:57 Speaker 1: day about it that you posted.

12:58 Speaker 2: I use it just for my own I always called

13:01 Speaker 2: about a digital bathroom stall like it's not like, it's

13:04 Speaker 2: not I expect nothing. It's just a way to I

13:07 Speaker 2: usually do either try to provoke by a thought, not

13:09 Speaker 2: like intentionally to try and be a provocateur, but just

13:12 Speaker 2: to kind of provoke thought or it's not it's nonsense

13:16 Speaker 2: and it's and I don't I don't think it's healthy

13:20 Speaker 2: for us. Especially. Facebook's unique that way because Facebook is

13:24 Speaker 2: people that are first of all, it's old people now,

13:27 Speaker 2: but it's a but it's mostly friends. It's not like

13:31 Speaker 2: Twitter or the artist formally known as twitter x. It's

13:35 Speaker 2: not like that where you're just shooting it off into

13:37 Speaker 2: the ether with people you don't know's it's people you

13:40 Speaker 2: know and then you start hating on each other. It's like, yeah,

13:43 Speaker 2: it's I was way too engaged like years ago, and

13:46 Speaker 2: I was like, this is horrible for my mental health.

13:48 Speaker 2: It was Dad, and I was like, all right, this

13:50 Speaker 2: is supposed to just be fun and silly, and I

13:52 Speaker 2: think I take I kind of took it that way

13:55 Speaker 2: I would take it having a conversation at a bar

13:57 Speaker 2: or in person. And I don't think most people are

14:00 Speaker 2: that good faith, right, And so I was like, oh,

14:02 Speaker 2: I like discussing. I find the world fascinating. Yeah, tragically

14:06 Speaker 2: and beautifully and all that. But like it was, it's

14:09 Speaker 2: just not healthy. And I can just talk to me

14:11 Speaker 2: about myself. But I can see a million people who

14:14 Speaker 2: have the same. Oh yeah, if you're unless you're just unfeeling.

14:18 Speaker 2: Yeah you want to like they're there to destroy, then okay,

14:22 Speaker 2: like good for you. It's kind of a psychopath but whatever.

14:26 Speaker 1: Yeah, my approach to it is, you know, I like

14:29 Speaker 1: to post some ghost I don't.

14:30 Speaker 2: Uh smart move the same thing I did that long ago.

14:33 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I don't. I don't argue with people on

14:35 Speaker 1: social media. It might be better for my content if

14:39 Speaker 1: I did, you know, in terms of social engagement, because

14:41 Speaker 1: I do. You know, we don't on this iteration of Unleashed.

14:44 Speaker 1: We don't do political stuff anymore, but as you know,

14:47 Speaker 1: we used to when I was on an Afternoon So

14:49 Speaker 1: now I keep all that on podcasts, and everything we

14:51 Speaker 1: do here is is not I mean, sometimes we dip

14:54 Speaker 1: into it because it's almost impossible not to sure, especially

14:58 Speaker 1: like if I'm talking to a band who has a

15:00 Speaker 1: message that's, you know, one one way or the other. Uh,

15:03 Speaker 1: usually only one way. I don't really want to hear

15:06 Speaker 1: too much. I don't really want to let too much

15:07 Speaker 1: of well, you know, I'm not gonna I'm not gonna

15:12 Speaker 1: have some you know, Maga band on my show. I

15:14 Speaker 1: guess this is what I'm trying. I'm not gonna interview

15:16 Speaker 1: five Finger Death Punch or something like that. I guess

15:18 Speaker 1: that is what I'm saying.

15:19 Speaker 2: But but but don't you find that as okay. So

15:23 Speaker 2: as an interviewer, though, I would say either way, if

15:25 Speaker 2: you're so anti Maga or pro Maga, that's boring to me.

15:30 Speaker 2: I can see why you like or dislike. Yeah, but

15:33 Speaker 2: I don't like. I don't understand the it's it's boring.

15:37 Speaker 2: As a thinker, I come. I'm always kind of a

15:40 Speaker 2: nuanced person, and that gets me hell from everyone right now.

15:44 Speaker 2: So it's like, oh, I see a play, I can

15:46 Speaker 2: go this way and go I see the point. I

15:48 Speaker 2: try to be pretty fair in my devil's advocacy, yes,

15:51 Speaker 2: and that drives by the way, just for the kids

15:53 Speaker 2: at home listening, it's horrible for your brain because it

15:56 Speaker 2: makes me feel schizophrenic at the time, right because I'm like, well,

15:59 Speaker 2: I see this way, but then I see it this way,

16:00 Speaker 2: and then I go this way explosion right now, So

16:02 Speaker 2: it's like a but it's I don't know, I find pure,

16:05 Speaker 2: it's boring.

16:06 Speaker 1: Well, A lot of part of the problem is I

16:09 Speaker 1: think that we and I've been saying I'm sure you've

16:12 Speaker 1: heard me say this before, because I've been saying this

16:13 Speaker 1: for literally decades. Critical thinking is so discouraged. You're supposed

16:18 Speaker 1: to be a binary thinker. You're supposed to be all

16:21 Speaker 1: the way on one end or all the way on

16:23 Speaker 1: the other. You're and all of your opinions you're supposed

16:26 Speaker 1: to like. You're literally not allowed to say I have

16:29 Speaker 1: mixed feelings about this or anything, or I'm conflicted about this,

16:32 Speaker 1: because then you get called wishy washy, you get called

16:34 Speaker 1: of fence sitter. Yes, you know, you have to be

16:37 Speaker 1: and you have to be consistently. If it's politics, you

16:39 Speaker 1: have to be consistently all one or all the other,

16:42 Speaker 1: or or because everybody eats their own, both liberals and

16:45 Speaker 1: conservatives and everybody, you know, they get so mad at

16:48 Speaker 1: you if you dare have an independent or a dissenting thought.

16:51 Speaker 1: You know, it's very clear, like like I mean, social

16:54 Speaker 1: media is more clickish than school was growing up.

16:57 Speaker 2: Way worse. Yeah, it's worse because there's an audio into

17:00 Speaker 2: watching and that makes the pressure of like did Matt

17:03 Speaker 2: just say that? What's going on with Matt?

17:06 Speaker 1: Right?

17:06 Speaker 2: It's like so, and it's not again as a person,

17:09 Speaker 2: and I know you obviously do because you do this

17:11 Speaker 2: on shows and I love talking. I hate politics. Yeah,

17:15 Speaker 2: I despise it because I think it's basically it's k fabey.

17:19 Speaker 2: It's really as a wrestler guy, it really is pro wrestling,

17:22 Speaker 2: and I think that people don't. It's so strange to

17:26 Speaker 2: me that we all kind of cry about it and

17:29 Speaker 2: get all mad about it, but then every four years

17:31 Speaker 2: we seem to play the game again and believe it's

17:34 Speaker 2: going to be different this time. Right, they're going to

17:35 Speaker 2: say I heard a comedian years ago say that every

17:39 Speaker 2: like politician should be like a NASCAR driver's jacket and

17:43 Speaker 2: have to we to wear their sponsor on their coach

17:45 Speaker 2: to go. Ah, I see where you're coming from, because

17:48 Speaker 2: everyone's just beholden to their biggest donor exactly. So it's

17:51 Speaker 2: like that, let's just be honest about it. So it

17:53 Speaker 2: doesn't mean they don't have feelings about something. I would say,

17:57 Speaker 2: agree with the people. You know, that person who is

18:00 Speaker 2: a D locally that you're friends with is not the

18:03 Speaker 2: same as a person who's a D in a senator. Yeah,

18:06 Speaker 2: the same thing. Are you probably have more in common

18:08 Speaker 2: at the local level between and these labels are silly.

18:10 Speaker 2: They're anachronistic too. I don't think that D and R

18:13 Speaker 2: mean anything anymore. I think that's much more. We're seeing

18:17 Speaker 2: a different alignment, I think, but especially right now, it's

18:20 Speaker 2: very interesting what's going on right now. Again, it's another

18:23 Speaker 2: we're going to do music, but like it's fascinating to

18:25 Speaker 2: me and I do like talking about it just on

18:27 Speaker 2: social media. It's because it's not the right place for it.

18:30 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I can't argue with people on social media.

18:32 Speaker 2: I just headache. Yeah, I've lost friends.

18:36 Speaker 6: Yeah.

18:37 Speaker 2: And it was like for and it's so funny in hindsight,

18:40 Speaker 2: I know now that they would be like, oh, that

18:43 Speaker 2: was a crazy thing I said, but they ghosted me

18:48 Speaker 2: and I was like, oh, you've known me for twenty

18:50 Speaker 2: five years and you thought that that's the interpretation you

18:52 Speaker 2: got because I think there was a madness in the

18:55 Speaker 2: last ten years that happened. I think that people went nuts,

18:59 Speaker 2: and I think it all revolves around the totem that

19:02 Speaker 2: is Trump. Yeah, there's a kind of there's a kind

19:05 Speaker 2: of religious worship and demonizing in both ways. It's kind

19:07 Speaker 2: of like this kind of he's either devil or a god, right,

19:10 Speaker 2: And I think that you can't have you can't, we don't.

19:14 Speaker 2: Religion is not a rational thing, right, so they kind

19:16 Speaker 2: of all become a rational agreed.

19:20 Speaker 1: Yeah. It infected my family too. You know, my dad

19:22 Speaker 1: passed away in December, and he was like, he was

19:25 Speaker 1: very uh, he was very angry with me for not

19:29 Speaker 1: agreeing with him.

19:31 Speaker 2: But here's before we move on from this. I know

19:33 Speaker 2: it can get really boring. This is what I'm going

19:35 Speaker 2: to say. This is my own last thing on politics.

19:37 Speaker 2: I think you have to stop looking at politics as

19:39 Speaker 2: a right left thing. Politically, if people start thinking about

19:42 Speaker 2: there's different there's right brained people and there's left brain people,

19:46 Speaker 2: and that truly is the right because there's if you're

19:48 Speaker 2: right brains, you're more usually kind of creative person, you're intuitive,

19:51 Speaker 2: a certain kind of a person that is that a

19:53 Speaker 2: left brain person is more organized and they're kind of

19:55 Speaker 2: there's a more, they're kind of more the the people

19:58 Speaker 2: who are managers at places that kind of here's a

20:01 Speaker 2: way to do it, and there's a fairness to a

20:02 Speaker 2: certain thing. Both those are virtues. You want both of them,

20:06 Speaker 2: but it's hard to convince a person who's got that

20:09 Speaker 2: value over here. It doesn't mean they're wrong. It means

20:12 Speaker 2: that they hold a hierarchy, one thing more important than

20:15 Speaker 2: the other than you do. And that's all that it is.

20:17 Speaker 2: And I think if people saw, oh that I get it,

20:21 Speaker 2: it would make us more because we're hating each other

20:23 Speaker 2: in a way that's weird to Me's some things. Look,

20:25 Speaker 2: I'm sure there's some things that you have a red

20:27 Speaker 2: line on that's like that's of course, of course, But

20:30 Speaker 2: like for the most part, I think it's we're all

20:34 Speaker 2: we're all just trying to get by. Man. It sounds

20:36 Speaker 2: like I'm kind of a hippie and the old school

20:38 Speaker 2: hippie way in that way, I'm just like, it's all

20:40 Speaker 2: just who cares, Like, let's all just be good to

20:43 Speaker 2: one another. It sounds like a cliche.

20:44 Speaker 1: But before we leave the subject entirely though, I just

20:47 Speaker 1: have to ask you this because when you and I

20:49 Speaker 1: worked together at Strawberries all those years ago, and and

20:53 Speaker 1: I just remember you and me and and Jeremy and

20:55 Speaker 1: of course out to Jeremy. Oh yeah, I love Jeremy.

20:58 Speaker 1: And every once in a while he'll say, like in Messenger,

21:00 Speaker 1: he'll send me something kiss related that he just happened.

21:02 Speaker 1: And he's not a kiss fan, but he'll just he'll

21:04 Speaker 1: see something. He'll say, Ill, Matt would like this, And

21:07 Speaker 1: of course Lee, and uh, you know, like it's it.

21:11 Speaker 1: Do you ever just kind of feel wistful for like it?

21:14 Speaker 1: It doesn't it seem like it was a simpler time. Yes,

21:17 Speaker 1: during the I never, like I never imagined I would

21:20 Speaker 1: pine for the days of the George W. Bush administration,

21:22 Speaker 1: but I actually do.

21:23 Speaker 2: I don't pine for the time. It's not that it's

21:25 Speaker 2: not the right way. It wasn't social media, right, That's

21:27 Speaker 2: the big There was no iPhone and there was no

21:30 Speaker 2: social media. Yeah, and the two big this is why again,

21:32 Speaker 2: if you want to rock me and many of my

21:34 Speaker 2: friends have talked about why there are no rock stars anymore,

21:36 Speaker 2: it's the phone. Yeah, Because if you had all the

21:39 Speaker 2: stories you hear about Aerosmith and led Zeppelin with there

21:41 Speaker 2: was phones everywhere.

21:42 Speaker 1: That's a you know, I've never even thought about.

21:44 Speaker 2: That would be that's why there's no rock stars. You

21:46 Speaker 2: have to be careful.

21:47 Speaker 1: I've never even thought of it that way. That's a

21:49 Speaker 1: great insight though.

21:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, it was like, oh, that's part. Now you have

21:52 Speaker 2: to get some people who say f it, right, But

21:55 Speaker 2: then they have to deal with the kind of collateral

21:57 Speaker 2: of that. Yes, because there was a thing and if

21:59 Speaker 2: he was nineteen seventy four, Jimmy Page was doing all

22:02 Speaker 2: kinds of things right, you know, and there was a

22:05 Speaker 2: kind of mythology and we didn't see it, but it

22:08 Speaker 2: was kind of accepted to because that's what rock stars do.

22:11 Speaker 2: We live in a different time now because of social media.

22:14 Speaker 2: And again I don't think it's good faith people for

22:16 Speaker 2: the most part who hear any ship. It's the kind

22:18 Speaker 2: of angry ones who but it's not accepted now, even

22:23 Speaker 2: though it's kind of this kind of a weird thing

22:25 Speaker 2: in the back of our head, that kind of as

22:27 Speaker 2: you're saying, you long for the days of George W. Bush,

22:29 Speaker 2: I don't, but I don't either, I know what you

22:32 Speaker 2: mean by that. It was simpler but it was no,

22:35 Speaker 2: I know you, I'm just hyperbolic. Yeah, yeah, it was

22:38 Speaker 2: a simpler time because we weren't. It was a smaller world.

22:41 Speaker 2: We're too we know too many things. Like I was thinking,

22:44 Speaker 2: kind of like social media, you know, that superpower of

22:47 Speaker 2: being inside someone's head. We could read people's thoughts. We

22:50 Speaker 2: kind of are now eating. I can go to the

22:51 Speaker 2: grocery store and if i'm Facebook friends or someone with

22:55 Speaker 2: like five people, I can go, oh, there's Billy. I

22:58 Speaker 2: know he thinks that's true. It's like a weird thing.

23:02 Speaker 2: It's not healthy though. I'm not supposed to know this

23:04 Speaker 2: much about each other. And that's why I think the

23:06 Speaker 2: beauty of yesteryear for rock stars was the kind of

23:11 Speaker 2: the mystique. That's why I've always thought Tool. I've always

23:14 Speaker 2: respected Tool because you didn't know anything about them for

23:17 Speaker 2: a modern band, like before you could. That was true

23:19 Speaker 2: of everyone. Yeah, it was always like David Bowie was

23:21 Speaker 2: just this this creature, you know, But like now everyone

23:25 Speaker 2: knows and everyone wants to be seen, which I hate. Yes,

23:29 Speaker 2: here we are here, I am It's boring.

23:32 Speaker 1: It is for dinner, especially a Rocks, which are rock.

23:36 Speaker 2: Stars, but any I mean maybe I'm I'm putting too

23:40 Speaker 2: much Creeds because I miss that because the rock Stars

23:43 Speaker 2: was part of my youth. But it's also I think

23:46 Speaker 2: it means something to culture. I think there's something about

23:49 Speaker 2: some girl or guy who's got swagger. I miss Courtney Love.

23:53 Speaker 2: It might sound crazy, I miss Corney, I miss I

23:55 Speaker 2: miss early Madonna. Like thought, there's no girl like that now.

24:00 Speaker 2: And I think that like Madonna was way more cutting

24:02 Speaker 2: edge than people give her credit for. I agree, it's

24:04 Speaker 2: like she's not Britney Spears as people compared, like she's

24:07 Speaker 2: the new Britain. Some Pearson's the new Britney Spears mean

24:09 Speaker 2: new Madonna, right, Sabrina Carpenter, No, you don't get it.

24:12 Speaker 2: Madonna was always going onto the underground clubs of London

24:16 Speaker 2: and Chicago and New York and finding the unknown dance

24:19 Speaker 2: music right and making that sound of pop right, whereas

24:22 Speaker 2: modern popular. Who's the I want? Who's the guy from

24:25 Speaker 2: Sweden put does everything? Matt Moore, Matt uh Something, I

24:29 Speaker 2: forget his name, but he does every song these producers.

24:32 Speaker 2: I want the famous guy who can make me sound

24:34 Speaker 2: like a hit boring right, Like that's not gonna make

24:36 Speaker 2: You're gonna sound.

24:37 Speaker 1: Like everybody else exactly.

24:38 Speaker 2: So I miss originality. I miss Marilyn Manson. I'm never

24:42 Speaker 2: the biggest Manson fan, But I love the kind of

24:45 Speaker 2: that guy's doing that right, That rebel spirit I guess

24:49 Speaker 2: of music is gone.

24:50 Speaker 1: And he's still and it's not like like he's an

24:52 Speaker 1: example of someone who's still very active making music. But

24:55 Speaker 1: but the but the reaction to it is is not there,

24:59 Speaker 1: like he seems past today.

25:00 Speaker 2: Now I think it's going to come back, I really do.

25:03 Speaker 2: I think there's a kind of I just I think

25:07 Speaker 2: kids who are the children of Gen xers, I think

25:11 Speaker 2: gen X was so coolah and by the way we

25:14 Speaker 2: were that's right, No, I say this Gen X is

25:17 Speaker 2: the coolest generation. We're not the greatest generation, but we're

25:20 Speaker 2: the coolest generation. And because I mean, it's what. It

25:24 Speaker 2: was a magical time to be alive, and art was great,

25:27 Speaker 2: movies and film movies and music, and it was just

25:30 Speaker 2: a cool time to be alive for a lot of reasons.

25:34 Speaker 2: It was a lucky time to be alive, to be fair,

25:37 Speaker 2: to go through your kind of formative years.

25:39 Speaker 1: So I agree, I agree, well, very good. While I'm

25:42 Speaker 1: dying to here another one if you're just joining us.

25:44 Speaker 1: Oh quick update for our live listeners. Dave Derby from

25:47 Speaker 1: The Damn Builders will be with us at eleven fifteen

25:51 Speaker 1: am in the third hour. So we have we have

25:53 Speaker 1: secured Dave Derby, which I'm relieved about because I was

25:58 Speaker 1: bummed I didn't get to stoked to him earlier. Remember

26:00 Speaker 1: the Damn Builders, they're they're Boston band, but they were

26:03 Speaker 1: on MTV. When I first found out I was gonna

26:06 Speaker 1: be interviewing Dave today, I was like, oh my god.

26:08 Speaker 1: I remembered the video for Shine. Do you remember that?

26:11 Speaker 2: I certainly know the name. I don't know I did

26:14 Speaker 2: they play with. I feel like they played with someone

26:16 Speaker 2: big that I know, like probably that I was like

26:20 Speaker 2: a really big fan of and they work were either

26:22 Speaker 2: they did a song with. I don't know. Maybe I'm wrong,

26:24 Speaker 2: maybe think of the wrong band. I definitely know the name,

26:26 Speaker 2: ye yeah.

26:27 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Well very good. So what are you gonna

26:29 Speaker 1: play for us now, Mike?

26:30 Speaker 2: I'm gonna play a newer song called lust and Wine.

26:33 Speaker 1: All right, Mike, Mike Lachlan is here with us live

26:37 Speaker 1: in studio.

27:16 Speaker 3: Were the dayline makes Me nervous, makes me want you on?

27:22 Speaker 1: And I.

27:25 Speaker 3: Memor Rezi burning when they're put before the lie where

27:34 Speaker 3: some things are e turnal. It's some things odd, divine

27:43 Speaker 3: loved lingers lasting if you won't Space and time.

27:50 Speaker 6: In these estes taste like staying white.

28:00 Speaker 3: And I.

28:02 Speaker 4: My copy is spoke by my way.

28:05 Speaker 9: Run strive.

28:11 Speaker 4: Nin't you wings that could give me fly both? The

28:17 Speaker 4: Devil's Song keeps me here tonight.

28:38 Speaker 9: Will redize while I'm reading.

28:42 Speaker 3: Scattered along the Flies, your poetry and fiction.

28:50 Speaker 4: I all it made me feel alive.

28:55 Speaker 3: Will Maybe I'm just stating now just by in time.

29:04 Speaker 4: Chill, I am released by that aint just kissed you night.

29:12 Speaker 3: Now these ashes taaste like lostan why.

29:20 Speaker 7: He now.

29:23 Speaker 4: My cumpy is fuver my way wrong?

29:27 Speaker 6: Strip Ain't your wings could help me fly?

29:37 Speaker 8: Boy?

29:38 Speaker 4: The Devil's Song keeps me eing tonight.

30:15 Speaker 6: Here now, she says, she's tea my lord stand away

30:24 Speaker 6: Now my cuffe is full by my way worn stripe.

30:35 Speaker 4: The angel wings that could heve me fly.

30:40 Speaker 1: Move?

30:41 Speaker 4: The Devil's Song it keeps me it tonight.

31:04 Speaker 1: I love it. I love it. Mike Lachlan is here

31:07 Speaker 1: with us a live in studio that was great. That's

31:10 Speaker 1: called lust and wine. All right, very very good if

31:14 Speaker 1: you are just doing us. Mike Lachlan is here with us.

31:16 Speaker 1: He's been playing some tunes and we've been talking, and uh,

31:19 Speaker 1: I've known Mike for a very long time. Are you

31:21 Speaker 1: in the five timers club here on the show?

31:23 Speaker 2: Have you been on five time?

31:25 Speaker 1: Probably?

31:25 Speaker 2: Probably this show?

31:26 Speaker 1: Probably?

31:27 Speaker 2: I don't think three right, right.

31:29 Speaker 1: It's easy to lose track because I've interviewed you on

31:32 Speaker 1: Local Outbreak and you've been and you were the original host.

31:34 Speaker 2: And we've we've we've talked what four score probably times

31:39 Speaker 2: that we've done many.

31:40 Speaker 1: Many, absolutely absolutely remember. One of the times was at

31:45 Speaker 1: the salon at Styling Souls in Manchester. Do you remember that?

31:48 Speaker 2: That was? Yeah? That was yeah, that was right. Wow,

31:52 Speaker 2: that's a long time. That was sixteen years ago.

31:54 Speaker 1: Oh my god.

31:54 Speaker 2: That was because I was going to move to New York.

31:57 Speaker 2: Oh that's right, yeah, and then that'll whatever. Yeah, yeah,

32:02 Speaker 2: I was leaving and I was like, oh I was

32:03 Speaker 2: gonna do I did a show?

32:04 Speaker 1: You ended up in another band?

32:07 Speaker 2: I would I started another band at that time, but

32:09 Speaker 2: I was planning on it was going to end. It's

32:11 Speaker 2: kind of a temporary thing because I was like, I

32:13 Speaker 2: have so much really with that band, which was Glorious Noise,

32:16 Speaker 2: and my old band was Mantra. Yes, and then but

32:19 Speaker 2: Mantra was it kind of grew, it grew out of itself.

32:22 Speaker 2: In my from what I was going, I was like,

32:25 Speaker 2: the sound that became Glorious Noise was the sound. I

32:27 Speaker 2: wanted Mantra to be well, at least try for a

32:30 Speaker 2: little while, Try a new shoot on for a little bit, right,

32:33 Speaker 2: more rhythmic, yeah, which we could have because we had

32:37 Speaker 2: the people. It was just I don't know, I think

32:40 Speaker 2: it's just life. I think some things it was. Part

32:42 Speaker 2: of it was we just creatively were different, and some

32:46 Speaker 2: of it was also just life happened. You know, kids,

32:49 Speaker 2: people had kids and that stuff happens to bands, you know.

32:54 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah, absolutely absolutely do you. I mean, I know,

32:58 Speaker 1: you know you talked earlier about the what is it

33:00 Speaker 1: called again as a dystonia.

33:01 Speaker 2: It's called muscular muscle tension dysphonia dysphonia. Yeah, I always

33:07 Speaker 2: get the JV version of what RFK Junior has. Oh

33:09 Speaker 2: really like he has the much more. You could hear

33:12 Speaker 2: it in his voice, but it's neu. I think it's

33:14 Speaker 2: they say when I went, they said it might be neurological,

33:17 Speaker 2: but it's I think it's more psychological. If I'm being

33:19 Speaker 2: I've looked up online and you don't trust everything you

33:21 Speaker 2: read online. But they told me that at when I

33:25 Speaker 2: went for vocal therapy too. It could be some of that.

33:28 Speaker 2: It's and I also sing incorrectly. You do in one way,

33:32 Speaker 2: they said, I don't breathe.

33:34 Speaker 1: Enough more with your throat than probably I've never.

33:36 Speaker 2: Learned how to sing. So it's like.

33:39 Speaker 1: It's like it works for you.

33:41 Speaker 2: But but yeah, but I think it's one of those

33:43 Speaker 2: Well that's kind of unfortunately what the therapist Scalp told me.

33:46 Speaker 2: She said, you've been lucky that you've got by because

33:49 Speaker 2: you're good enough at this to do You've probably hurt

33:53 Speaker 2: your your vocal, your your The way you sing is

33:55 Speaker 2: not technically correct. So I don't know, I mean, and

34:00 Speaker 2: it's I've tried things I can't. It's it's hard to break.

34:04 Speaker 2: I don't know. I feel sometimes I feel great, yeah,

34:07 Speaker 2: and sometimes I don't. It's it's it's like a hit

34:08 Speaker 2: or miss things.

34:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, because you've been dealing with this for quite a

34:11 Speaker 1: few years now, right.

34:12 Speaker 2: Yeah, And when I play gigs, I'm playing for three hours,

34:15 Speaker 2: so it gets tired. Oh my god. Yeah, but that's

34:18 Speaker 2: mean with breaks obviously, so it's probably about closer to

34:21 Speaker 2: like two ten. Yeah, but uh it's still you know,

34:26 Speaker 2: it's it. It is what it is, So I mean whatever,

34:29 Speaker 2: we all have our cross to bear. Oh, of course,

34:31 Speaker 2: of course as a singer, it sucks.

34:33 Speaker 1: Yeah. Yeah. Do you miss being in a band ever? Yeah?

34:36 Speaker 2: I missed feeling the kick drum. Yeah, it's just like

34:39 Speaker 2: one of those or like feeling like that kind of

34:41 Speaker 2: resonance from the bass. I was actually gonna ask you

34:45 Speaker 2: a question about music. Yes, I was thinking about old

34:47 Speaker 2: bands from that era. Yeah, yeah, a band you were in.

34:51 Speaker 1: Yeah.

34:51 Speaker 2: Is there any Is there any kind of recordings of

34:57 Speaker 2: Viper Casino?

34:59 Speaker 1: No, because we never got it. We never played a

35:02 Speaker 1: single show as.

35:03 Speaker 2: You ever rehearsed, you guys record anything together?

35:06 Speaker 1: No, So so Hillman and I, you know, we got

35:09 Speaker 1: together a bunch and just played, and then we were

35:12 Speaker 1: supposed to do a show. I had a show booked in.

35:17 Speaker 1: Uh jeez, where was it.

35:20 Speaker 2: I was excited for you guys. I was really close

35:22 Speaker 2: with Andrew, so.

35:23 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I was. I was excited about it because

35:26 Speaker 1: I thought the whole thing was cool as hell, and

35:28 Speaker 1: it was very bizarre, which was cool. Yeah, that's part

35:31 Speaker 1: of what I was excited about. I was like, this

35:33 Speaker 1: is so far out of anything I've done. And then

35:35 Speaker 1: he just totally blew me off because leading up to

35:38 Speaker 1: the show, he just stopped communicating with me. That's but

35:42 Speaker 1: I don't know if you remember he did eventually apologize

35:44 Speaker 1: to me.

35:45 Speaker 2: He's a nice dude.

35:45 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, because because you were with him when he did,

35:47 Speaker 1: because he came in I was an f ye and

35:50 Speaker 1: conquered and you guys came into them all that day

35:52 Speaker 1: and he actually came and apologized to me. This was

35:54 Speaker 1: like years later. Yeah, but he finally said I'm sorry,

35:58 Speaker 1: and and uh, you know he's said something about he

36:00 Speaker 1: was just going through a lot at the time.

36:02 Speaker 2: And was it similar to what he was doing as Viper.

36:05 Speaker 4: Yeah.

36:06 Speaker 1: The idea was it was going to be what he

36:08 Speaker 1: was doing as Viper, but I was going to play bass.

36:10 Speaker 1: I was gonna be his live bass player, and we

36:12 Speaker 1: were going to do this thing where he'd be in

36:13 Speaker 1: the he'd be in the Viper, his Viper costume or

36:17 Speaker 1: whatever you want to call. It was all crazy, and

36:20 Speaker 1: I was gonna wear a suit so it would be

36:22 Speaker 1: that contrast and his manager. Yeah, yeah, or kind of like,

36:26 Speaker 1: you know, he's Viper and I'm the I'm the pit

36:28 Speaker 1: boss of the casino or something, you know. Because it

36:30 Speaker 1: was Viper Casino. That was that was what it was

36:32 Speaker 1: going to be, and I was so excited about it.

36:34 Speaker 1: And then he just and we had a show booked.

36:36 Speaker 1: It was going to be our first show together as

36:38 Speaker 1: Viper Casino, and he just uh, but I'll tell you this,

36:42 Speaker 1: that remains one of my favorite interviews I've ever done.

36:45 Speaker 1: When I before before Vipers, when it was when he

36:48 Speaker 1: was his Viper and he just started his Viper and

36:51 Speaker 1: I interviewed him, and it remains to this day one

36:54 Speaker 1: of my favorite interviews because he's totally in character at

36:57 Speaker 1: the entire time and it was hilarious.

37:01 Speaker 2: It was when I was to week. I was there.

37:04 Speaker 2: You probably were there for it was that in his barn. No, Okay,

37:08 Speaker 2: there was something I remember. I think I was there

37:10 Speaker 2: for this though.

37:11 Speaker 1: I mean I vividly remember the barn. I remember he

37:13 Speaker 1: was there too for that. Yeah, I remember you being

37:15 Speaker 1: there for stuff. Yeah, because I think we did a

37:17 Speaker 1: follow up, but he was No. This was when I

37:20 Speaker 1: was hosting the Metal Classroom on rage Rock Radio dot com. Okay,

37:23 Speaker 1: so it was like my first time ever hosting my

37:25 Speaker 1: own show and uh or eventually the Metal Classroom became

37:30 Speaker 1: the hidden track. And I can't remember if it was

37:32 Speaker 1: still the Metal Classroom or for it to become the

37:34 Speaker 1: hidden track at that point, but but yeah, and it

37:38 Speaker 1: was he was it was. Do you remember Hammer. You

37:40 Speaker 1: must have met Hammer at some point Hammer Hammer owned

37:44 Speaker 1: rage rock Radio dot Com. I've completely lost touch with him.

37:47 Speaker 1: He's out of the music scene entirely as far as

37:48 Speaker 1: I know. But but so he owned rage Rock, so

37:51 Speaker 1: he gave me the gig hosting that show. And Viper

37:55 Speaker 1: was one of my first interviews on that show on

37:56 Speaker 1: rage rock Radio dot com. And yeah, he was totally

37:59 Speaker 1: in character and it was hilarious.

38:01 Speaker 2: I saw him do I'm not sure if it was

38:03 Speaker 2: his first show. It might have been. Yeah, it was

38:05 Speaker 2: either his first or second show.

38:06 Speaker 3: I was.

38:07 Speaker 2: I went with him. It was somewhere like in It

38:10 Speaker 2: was like Mass, something like your Mass or something.

38:14 Speaker 1: Oh, and it was at the jump Off.

38:17 Speaker 2: I don't remember the name of the club.

38:18 Speaker 1: I'm pretty sure it was at the No Wild Yeah,

38:22 Speaker 1: the jump Off in Lawrence or something.

38:24 Speaker 2: It was either it was maybe it was I don't remember.

38:28 Speaker 2: It's all flurry to me, but it was it was

38:30 Speaker 2: whild watching like all these bands would play, and then

38:32 Speaker 2: he got up there in full mass smoke machine just

38:37 Speaker 2: yea and just these random repeated loop techno like skinny Puppy.

38:42 Speaker 2: It was like this wild thing. It was just and

38:45 Speaker 2: that for me, first of all, just kind of proud

38:47 Speaker 2: of my friend doing it. Yeah, he's he's committed and

38:50 Speaker 2: it was kind of great to see him come alive

38:51 Speaker 2: and do it. Yeah, because if anyone knows we're talking

38:53 Speaker 2: about Andrew Hillman, I've known him forever. He was in

38:55 Speaker 2: two of my bands.

38:56 Speaker 1: Yeah, very talent.

38:57 Speaker 2: He is also I wish he's a natural born rock star. Yeah,

39:01 Speaker 2: and like he just he's so good at it. And

39:04 Speaker 2: he's a great bass player. I played bass, oh yeah, so,

39:07 Speaker 2: but he has a totally interesting vibe of Yeah, he

39:12 Speaker 2: was committed to something that was totally unique, and he's hilarious.

39:14 Speaker 2: He's very fun very funny.

39:16 Speaker 1: But yeah, and I remember that night too because I

39:18 Speaker 1: obviously I was at that that show and uh, he

39:21 Speaker 1: said something about wanting to have a band, like like

39:24 Speaker 1: maybe having a bass player, and I was like really

39:28 Speaker 1: because I'll do it.

39:31 Speaker 2: You're that easy man. Oh yeah, Well I was just

39:34 Speaker 2: you were you were, you were intrigued.

39:35 Speaker 1: I was so into it because it was so strange

39:38 Speaker 1: and so cool. I was like, dude, if you want

39:41 Speaker 1: me to play with you, I'll play. Oh yeah, but

39:45 Speaker 1: uh but yeah, but it never never got off the

39:46 Speaker 1: ground anyway. But uh yeah, So you were Now when

39:51 Speaker 1: I first met you, you were in Something.

39:53 Speaker 2: The worst band name of all time. But I but whatever,

39:56 Speaker 2: it is what it.

39:56 Speaker 1: Is, but something. I feel like something kind of became

39:59 Speaker 1: mantra am.

39:59 Speaker 2: I if I'm totally being honest, it's all been kind

40:03 Speaker 2: of one thing because it's just growing.

40:05 Speaker 1: Because it's all each each successive band has had some

40:08 Speaker 1: of the same members.

40:09 Speaker 2: Right yeah, and there I mean, And I've written ninety

40:13 Speaker 2: five percent of the songs, and I kind of knew.

40:14 Speaker 2: I just my thing is that I'm not I always

40:17 Speaker 2: I'm not capable of pulling it off like I'm not

40:20 Speaker 2: Billy Corgan can do in the studio. Just do everything myself.

40:23 Speaker 2: And I like being in a band. The beauty of

40:25 Speaker 2: like like John Bellefonte, when I was in Something, it

40:28 Speaker 2: was me and Hillman were just playing in a barn

40:30 Speaker 2: and then I had these songs I was working on,

40:32 Speaker 2: but then John came in and started playing lead over them.

40:35 Speaker 2: I was like, whoa, what is that? That's exactly what

40:38 Speaker 2: we need because he wasn't playing the blues, and I

40:41 Speaker 2: was like, I don't John Ken play the blues and

40:44 Speaker 2: he does work it into his but like he was

40:47 Speaker 2: doing something that was like a universe of sound, and

40:49 Speaker 2: I was like, that's what we need, that's what I want,

40:51 Speaker 2: that's what we're looking for, and that kind of and

40:54 Speaker 2: if you remember, we were so naive other than John,

40:57 Speaker 2: I think the three of us that Me, Sean, and

40:59 Speaker 2: Andrew were kind of like kind of we're working through

41:03 Speaker 2: our abilities. We weren't like great players. I certainly was,

41:06 Speaker 2: and I can definitely at least own that for myself.

41:08 Speaker 2: Sean we gave him the bass because he's like, oh,

41:11 Speaker 2: we need a bass player, so he was cool enough

41:14 Speaker 2: to do it. But like, we were just naive and

41:16 Speaker 2: we happened to have I think I wrote decent songs

41:19 Speaker 2: and then John could really slay on guitar, and so

41:23 Speaker 2: it was it kind of we were we were a

41:25 Speaker 2: good band. I don't think we had to grown. Mantra

41:29 Speaker 2: was more songwriter based. The songs were more focused. I

41:34 Speaker 2: think they sound they were more like concise. And then

41:39 Speaker 2: I had both Gary Mayhew on drums, who's phenomenal, and

41:44 Speaker 2: then Sean, who's a pure great rock and roll drummer. Yeah,

41:46 Speaker 2: I love Sean thinks like a producer and not like

41:49 Speaker 2: a drummer. You've been like, he's not a he thinks

41:54 Speaker 2: the whole song, yes, which is so nice. That's so

41:56 Speaker 2: awesome as a guy who like he's he Sean the best.

42:00 Speaker 2: I wish he was going to be here tonight. I

42:01 Speaker 2: was hoping. But I'll be playing a show with Sean.

42:04 Speaker 2: We're doing That's one thing I wanted to say. Yeah,

42:06 Speaker 2: I do it kind of every almost a year. They

42:08 Speaker 2: do it at Giuseppe's and Meredith. They have a music

42:11 Speaker 2: memorial to raise money for a kid going to school

42:14 Speaker 2: college for music. So Sean's gonna be playing drums, and

42:18 Speaker 2: I got a guy named lu Parazzo playing piano, and

42:21 Speaker 2: we're gonna we're kind of like headlining. It sounds stupid,

42:24 Speaker 2: but we're the last band on although Tim Terrio, you

42:26 Speaker 2: know Tim Terrio is No, I don't know Tim. You

42:30 Speaker 2: he's amazing. Yeah, he's been playing forever he was. He

42:33 Speaker 2: went on tour with Sully from Godsmack. He was his

42:36 Speaker 2: guitar player. Okay, he's he was a big Portsmouth I

42:40 Speaker 2: forget the name of the band he was in. I

42:41 Speaker 2: feel horrible saying that, but he plays everywhere kind of

42:44 Speaker 2: in the Portsmouth area. He's great. He's a phenomenal I

42:47 Speaker 2: saw him play years ago at somewhere else and he

42:51 Speaker 2: played in the meantime by Uh, what's who did that?

42:55 Speaker 1: Oh that's that's space space Yeah, I couldnt think of it.

43:00 Speaker 2: And it was so good. Really yeah, I was like, oh,

43:02 Speaker 2: he's playing that song. Yeah, because when someone you do

43:05 Speaker 2: the circuit playing cover songs, you hear the same one

43:07 Speaker 2: of course, so it's like, oh he did that and

43:09 Speaker 2: they did sabotage but the Beastie Boys. I was like,

43:11 Speaker 2: that's great.

43:12 Speaker 3: Yeah.

43:12 Speaker 2: So and he he's just great.

43:14 Speaker 1: Yeah.

43:14 Speaker 2: So I love seeing people who can do great things

43:17 Speaker 2: that I can't do.

43:19 Speaker 1: Yeah, I have to get him on the show. Tim

43:21 Speaker 1: Terrio is his name.

43:22 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean I don't know what he's could he

43:24 Speaker 2: just kind of do in the circuit now, but yeah,

43:26 Speaker 2: he plays professionally whatever you want to call it. He's

43:28 Speaker 2: a hired gun. Yeah, yeah, he's because he's a phenomenal player.

43:31 Speaker 1: Oh wow, oh very cool, very cool. We have time.

43:35 Speaker 1: Do you want to play one more?

43:37 Speaker 2: Sure? Do you want me to do a newer one

43:38 Speaker 2: or do you want me to do an older one?

43:39 Speaker 2: What do you want me?

43:41 Speaker 1: Well, I'm really enjoying hearing the new stuff. Okay, if

43:44 Speaker 1: you're just joining us, Mike Lachlan is here with us

43:45 Speaker 1: live in studio and uh yeah the other two you

43:49 Speaker 1: played were pretty new, right both?

43:50 Speaker 2: Yeah, for the last last half a year.

43:52 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, Yeah, You've always been pretty prolific, right. Have

43:56 Speaker 1: you ever had a drought as a songwriter?

43:58 Speaker 2: Have you ever? I would say yes, in towards the

44:02 Speaker 2: tail end of Mantra. Really it was more because I

44:05 Speaker 2: was when you're in a band, you get together and

44:09 Speaker 2: like you have like an what you're doing. I didn't

44:11 Speaker 2: have anywhere to bring it. So I have a lot

44:13 Speaker 2: of songs I write playing right now. They're more acoustic

44:16 Speaker 2: bass because I'm playing acoustic guitar, but myself out. But

44:19 Speaker 2: I have been writing. I do write more kind of

44:21 Speaker 2: once it will be bent for a band, but I

44:23 Speaker 2: kind of just go, what's the point of doing that

44:25 Speaker 2: right now? Because I can't do anything with it, so

44:27 Speaker 2: I focus more on the acoustic ones in mantra. I

44:29 Speaker 2: was starting to red Letter Day was written in mantra.

44:32 Speaker 2: I wrote it on keyboard. I wanted this kind of

44:34 Speaker 2: wave sound, and I was like that, I don't think

44:37 Speaker 2: that band would have played it. Oh okay, So I

44:39 Speaker 2: was like, I want to start doing I wanted to

44:44 Speaker 2: start doing other things, and I think everyone to be

44:46 Speaker 2: I think everyone was kind of like we were doing

44:48 Speaker 2: well and like that kind of kept this going. But

44:54 Speaker 2: I think we all were interested in other things at

44:56 Speaker 2: that point in time. To everyone's sure, so sure, they're

44:59 Speaker 2: probably all sick me.

45:02 Speaker 1: All right, what are you gonna play for us?

45:04 Speaker 2: I'm only another newer one called A Space Inside your Mind?

45:09 Speaker 1: All right, Mike Lachlan live in studio with us.

45:25 Speaker 4: Sensu mentalist stool. Don't call me it all me. It

45:30 Speaker 4: is Stasi's so it's Ben. It's gonna be your came

45:35 Speaker 4: live me.

45:36 Speaker 3: It built a petty stool and put you stand in

45:40 Speaker 3: on you little jewel fan.

45:44 Speaker 4: Guess that was my phone. I'm not seen, I sing.

45:49 Speaker 6: Said it in post play. Ryl said I wasn't strong

45:55 Speaker 6: enough to be your man. I'm not asking for a

45:59 Speaker 6: four giveness. I'm not asking for your time, just asking

46:05 Speaker 6: for space inside your mind.

46:18 Speaker 3: Now give it you at church so I can feel

46:22 Speaker 3: either on my sense well of him?

46:25 Speaker 4: Was was in one of them?

46:27 Speaker 6: For you?

46:27 Speaker 4: It's sure, is man, go as will.

46:31 Speaker 6: There's something I keep ered in my soul. Will it's

46:36 Speaker 6: over now ye.

46:37 Speaker 9: Have blah blah blah.

46:38 Speaker 4: I had to see a go. I'm not singing.

46:42 Speaker 3: I was evil to things heeded and go his blame.

46:47 Speaker 3: Like Sheryl said, I wasn't strong enough to be old man.

46:52 Speaker 3: I'm not asking for forgiveness. I'm not asking for your time,

46:58 Speaker 3: just asking for speak inside your mind.

47:24 Speaker 4: Will I hate it and let it feed it? Sometimes

47:30 Speaker 4: promises and love.

47:32 Speaker 3: Just can't be cared. You been worn it and then

47:38 Speaker 3: be horned robber feelings. I had them, they never.

47:44 Speaker 5: Left, but they came to rest.

47:50 Speaker 3: Call me a sensi mentalistor, don't call me at all.

47:56 Speaker 3: It is just that. It's all it's been. It's gonna

48:00 Speaker 3: go to be your car b My may of builds up.

48:04 Speaker 3: Petty's still let but you stand.

48:07 Speaker 4: In no, but you live up to your a fantasy.

48:12 Speaker 4: I guess that was my fault. I'm not saying I

48:16 Speaker 4: was able things.

48:17 Speaker 6: They hid it in lost fan like Sheryl said, I

48:22 Speaker 6: wasn't strong enough to be your man. I'm not asking

48:27 Speaker 6: for forgiveness.

48:29 Speaker 4: I'm not asking for your time, just asking for speak

48:34 Speaker 4: inside your mind. Yeah, speak inside your mind.

48:45 Speaker 6: Oh, speak inside your mind, speak inside your mind.

49:03 Speaker 1: Fantastic, fantastic. Mike Lachlan here with us live in studio. Now,

49:09 Speaker 1: do you have any shows this weekend? Mike? Where's where's

49:12 Speaker 1: your next show? We should plug your next?

49:14 Speaker 3: Uh?

49:15 Speaker 2: Next, next Friday, I'm in a place called the New

49:20 Speaker 2: found in Okay, in Alexandria.

49:23 Speaker 1: Okay, there you go, very good. Next Friday night, all right, whatever? Yeah,

49:29 Speaker 1: what time do you go on?

49:33 Speaker 2: So bad at this? I think six?

49:34 Speaker 1: I think six to eight, okay, six to eight?

49:37 Speaker 2: All right?

49:38 Speaker 1: Well, so where should people go? I ask everybody this.

49:41 Speaker 1: I know you hate the s ques.

49:42 Speaker 2: I'm you can go and find me at led Zeppelin

49:47 Speaker 2: dot com. D No, I don't. I don't have any sites.

49:52 Speaker 2: It's I should be. I'm the worst at this the

49:54 Speaker 2: entire world. I I know. I get people all the time.

49:59 Speaker 2: Yeah asking me the question, Oh my god, it's like

50:02 Speaker 2: and it's very kind, it's very sweet and it's like,

50:03 Speaker 2: I know I should, I just don't. I don't think

50:08 Speaker 2: of me playing cover songs is a big deal, right,

50:10 Speaker 2: you know what I mean? Like I mean, I play

50:12 Speaker 2: my original I work. Yeah, seven or eight of them

50:14 Speaker 2: in every gig I play.

50:15 Speaker 1: Oh that's good.

50:16 Speaker 2: Yeah, But I just I'm happy for the people who

50:19 Speaker 2: see me. I don't think going to see a cover

50:22 Speaker 2: artist is not a thing people do. They go out

50:24 Speaker 2: for the night, and that's the person there. Yes, and

50:27 Speaker 2: there's the people that they like that go. I'll go

50:28 Speaker 2: see them again every once in a while because I

50:30 Speaker 2: like that person playing. Maybe there's those two people go

50:33 Speaker 2: to everyone of their shows. That seems insane to me.

50:37 Speaker 2: God bless you if you're supporting those people. I just

50:40 Speaker 2: get sick of hearing myself. I can't imagine how people

50:43 Speaker 2: getting sick of hearing me so playing the same songs

50:46 Speaker 2: because I just don't. I'm really lazy about learning new songs.

50:50 Speaker 2: I don't care about cover songs. Yeah, so I go

50:52 Speaker 2: I know that one off. Randomly, I'll play a song.

50:54 Speaker 2: If I'm working on a song, go oh that sounds

50:57 Speaker 2: like that song, and all just suddenly I'll play that song.

51:00 Speaker 2: I have to like it. Though, so I can't just go, oh,

51:03 Speaker 2: I get here's a question for you, doctor Matt. You're

51:07 Speaker 2: a man about town when you go, who do you

51:10 Speaker 2: think is? What do you think is the most requested

51:13 Speaker 2: song by people to go, Oh my god? Can you

51:15 Speaker 2: play this song?

51:17 Speaker 1: That's a great question.

51:18 Speaker 2: It used to be Freebird it kind of as a joke. Yeah,

51:20 Speaker 2: but I don't think that's what it is.

51:23 Speaker 1: Maybe, uh, What's Up by Fournin Blods.

51:28 Speaker 2: I think that's up there. I think the ones I

51:30 Speaker 2: think are country road.

51:32 Speaker 1: Oh yeah, yeah.

51:33 Speaker 2: I'm always like, Okay, look it's Friday night. I'm sure

51:38 Speaker 2: if you come tomorrow the guy here is going to

51:40 Speaker 2: do it. I'm sure if you come here next Friday,

51:42 Speaker 2: the guy will do it. I'm sure to come the

51:44 Speaker 2: next night after that, the person will do it. It's

51:46 Speaker 2: every time, So I don't play that song. Yeah, here's

51:49 Speaker 2: Low by Cracker because you know it, but it's not

51:53 Speaker 2: done to death. There's certain songs that everyone wants to

51:57 Speaker 2: hear every time they're out, and maybe it's understandable. I'm

52:01 Speaker 2: not trying to be forgiving on that stuff, but yeah,

52:03 Speaker 2: really every.

52:04 Speaker 1: Time, I'm the same way. I don't get it. So

52:07 Speaker 1: I don't get it.

52:07 Speaker 2: Yeah, fire sublime where it's at what I got, what

52:13 Speaker 2: I got? Yeah, I like becks where it's at.

52:16 Speaker 1: That'd be cool, that would be that would be ah well,

52:20 Speaker 1: very good. Well, Mike, this is always a pleasure.

52:21 Speaker 2: My friend fantastics as well, Doctor Matt Connerton.

52:25 Speaker 1: We need to not let another. However many years it's

52:28 Speaker 1: been go by before you come back.

52:31 Speaker 2: Hopefully I can get somebody else again, Johnald, that could

52:34 Speaker 2: have He's cool to talk to. Yeah, Sean, Yeah, I

52:38 Speaker 2: sometimes feel like I'd love to have someone else here

52:41 Speaker 2: to kind of bounce off of.

52:42 Speaker 1: But yeah, definitely.

52:43 Speaker 2: It's just fun because I like I can talk myself,

52:46 Speaker 2: and it's fun to talk to you because you're a

52:48 Speaker 2: good interviewer. Matt. That's why you deserve to take the job.

52:50 Speaker 2: For me, I was horrible at it. I kind of

52:54 Speaker 2: always envisioned it is kind of kind of the only

52:57 Speaker 2: kind of plus of it for me is I kind

52:59 Speaker 2: of envisioned it the way most podcasts are now. Yeah,

53:01 Speaker 2: it was supposed to be a hang at like a

53:03 Speaker 2: bar with musicians, right, and so I remember talking the

53:06 Speaker 2: way you'd talk at a bar, right, And it was

53:08 Speaker 2: not I wasn't you're much better at this than I was.

53:11 Speaker 2: I was kind of like asking questions a certain way,

53:14 Speaker 2: but it felt too informal. Yeah, I know what, and

53:17 Speaker 2: I'm I just didn't have the the acumen that you have.

53:21 Speaker 1: No, thank you, No, I appreciate that, Mike. I appreciate

53:23 Speaker 1: that very much.