Pacificaze | Matt Connarton Unleashed

0:00 Speaker 1: I love that that is specific as the track is called a short life and I think we have Jack on the line a via WhatsApp.

0:06 Speaker 2: Jack are you there?

0:08 Speaker 3: You do have Jack on the line. How's it go O?

0:10 Speaker 2: Wonderful? Wonderful?

0:11 Speaker 1: Hey, I love that song man, It's so it's kind of dreamy is my first word to describe it. But it's just such a great tune and it just I just love it. You kind of get kind of get lost in it when I listened to it, if you know what I mean.

0:26 Speaker 3: Yeah, one hundred because when our guitarists brought the chords into the room, it just make it transported me to those holidays, you know, with your partner on the beach and you in that little bubble of life and nothing can really pop that bubble. And that's the vibe that I wanted to give out. Yeah, against the world love and life.

0:46 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I'd say you definitely accomplished that. That's uh, that's really good. So tell me Jack about Pacific A is because I got the impression from reading a little bit about the band that did this start as a solo project and then and then kind of develop into a band? Is that what happened or can you kind of run through the history of the project.

1:06 Speaker 3: Yeah, sure, so super fast history. I've been playing piano since I was ten, so you know over twenty years now. Yeah, classically trained and all the piano stuff done me grades, and then in my twenties I started really getting into playing guitar, and like, I just had an affinity to safe rock and safe music. So around five or six years ago, I decided, you know, now's the time to actually get those ideas out of your head and out of the voice memos and onto a page and into the studio. So that's what I've done.

1:36 Speaker 3: I reached out to a couple of people in America because that was always the goal for me, Like it always felt like American, the Californian beats music in a way. So I had a few producers out in LA who were helping me craft that sound. But that was me on my own. Fast forward a couple of years and now there's a full band of us, and we all have the same outlook on life. You know, there's more to life. We love music, we loved creating, and you know what with all generally nice guys.

2:06 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, is that I mean some of your music. So the song and we're gonna play it later. By the way, at the end of our conversation. A previous single that you had Wanderlust, which I really liked as well. That's another great song. But that one I feel like has a little bit of angst to it, which which is different from short Life. But but again that might be my interpretation of it, because obviously, you know, music is art, and art is open to everyone's individual interpretation. But I do feel like there's a little bit of there's a little bit of angst in that one, right or maybe I'm wrong, you tell.

2:35 Speaker 3: Me no, it's a good, good assessment of the song. There's a lot of anks, to be honest, and it was I wrote that when I had all these ideas and we had all these plans to you know, make a sound, create a band, but I didn't have any of the infrastructure. So all of the anngs there is true. Like the lyric twenty three one may take it, I've flow in the nest. So I moved to Australia. I thought I need to leave, I need to leave time, need to leave England, and then ended up coming home a couple of years later.

3:04 Speaker 3: And still being in the same place because you know, when you leave, somethink I'm gonna make it, I'm going to be a star whatever. A few years lazy, you sit down, you think nothing's changed. So yeah, a lot of that angst is true, and you know, yeah.

3:17 Speaker 2: Yeah, it's interesting.

3:18 Speaker 1: I've known a lot of people who they'll do something where they decide, you know, I'm not happy where I am and so I'm just gonna move to a new place and everything will be great, and they don't necessarily realize. I mean, don't get me wrong, I've scenery and sometimes can be very very healthy. But a lot of times it's just people trying to literally run away from their problems and they don't realize the problems are portable and they go with you and you know, you're still the same person no matter what continent you're on.

3:46 Speaker 1: But I'm really curious, now, why Australia when you moved, Why did you decide to go to Australia?

3:52 Speaker 3: Great question. So I initially went to Wybitha. I just sold all my stuff and bought it one way ticket to why Beitha.

3:58 Speaker 2: Wow.

4:00 Speaker 3: So in England, we go, we go to a we go to Ibtha. It's like a little thing we do to do a season, to work the summer season. So I thought, I want to quit my job, leave Liverpool behind and you know, go live abroad for a while. And I met somebody who was like, oh, after the season's over and moving to Australia, do you want to come with me? Obviously said yes. But Australia was fantastic. But it wasn't as all as rosy as you would think because it's an unreal place, you know, the weather, the people.

4:30 Speaker 3: But it was like England, but with like less friends. It was. It was strange.

4:35 Speaker 2: We'll say, how long were you there?

4:39 Speaker 3: Six months? I was there six six months? And then I realized that, you know, the dream isn't always the dream. And then I, you know, moved along.

4:49 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, did you when you moved back, did you move back to where you were the same area that you were before?

4:55 Speaker 2: Did you pick a different, different area geographically?

4:59 Speaker 3: No? I moved back the same area. And I'll be honest, six months a year, you know, eighteen months away from your home. Everything looks so everything's the same. People moved on, but everything looks different, everything smells different, and that that's probably where the yank started for me was Okay, I left, I left, I've still got these ideas, still haven't got a band. What am I doing with my life?

5:21 Speaker 2: Right? Right?

5:22 Speaker 1: So when you when you put the band together, was that it with intention? Did you say I need I need a band or did that just kind of happen organically where you met people or maybe some people who you already knew, who who said hey, I'd like to be a part of what you're doing, or how did that come about?

5:40 Speaker 3: Yeah, good question, I'll be honest. I always yearned for a band from the age of like twenty two when I really got into me music, yeah, you know, into pop and rock music, and I yearned for a band. So a lot of the time I joined projects for a couple of years when I was the keyboard that so I was a singer, but it was never my band, and I always thought, I want my own project, not to control like that. It's more I would like to bring my ideas into a room with people who were who were would like to hear them and would like to make them better.

6:14 Speaker 3: And I didn't have that for I don't even know seven years, eight years. I didn't have that far, and then slowly I started meeting people who were you know, once you're start networking and getting out into the industry, you realize you meet like minded people. But one thing I will say, which is really important is I didn't know who I was in the early twenties, and then I think as attended, you know, thirty, I realized who I was as a person. And once you accept and understand who you are, the people who you need in your life are naturally drawn to you and you're drawn to them.

6:46 Speaker 1: It's crazy, No, I think that makes a lot of sense. I think that's that's absolutely what happens. So then you started putting a band together, and then you also have a do you have a specific producer that you work with?

7:00 Speaker 3: Oh? You know what. I love that you asked me that, because I've got an American producer who I love. He's told Lewis Peskov. He produced the first three songs and Wonder, Lust, World and Magic. It was like a little I wanted to do. I wanted to do an EP with him because I've been following him for a while since he released Well. He produced Best Coast album, which I loved. I still wanted me Top ten albums. Now, I really wanted to work with them, and I'll be honest, I wasn't disappointed he brought He basically brought the sound that I had in me in my head alive, which then allowed me to cement that sound and then bring it back to because in England, say, frock isn't huge and that's cool, you know.

7:40 Speaker 3: I like to be a bit of a not a trendsetter, but I like to do my own thing, my own way.

7:44 Speaker 2: It's good to.

7:46 Speaker 3: Definitely you have to stand out because there's so much music being made, Like, how is anybody going to listen to it if it's the same as everything else?

7:53 Speaker 1: Right?

7:53 Speaker 3: But I just go off what I like. I just write songs that I want to hear, if that makes sense. But yeah, I've been friends with the producer for a while in England called John Oh. He's at a place called Alo Sounds. Really good producer. He's been helping me, you know, through the years, helping me get me files together for like Lewis the Center America. And then we spoke and he said, listen, if you want me to produce your music, you're going to have to pay at a touch because I can't make the low file that you want to make, he said, But I can't help you.

8:21 Speaker 3: I thought, you know what, Let's try your expertise, my expertise. Let's put our heads together, let's stop trying to be something that we're not, and let's see what we can make in the records. That Short Life is the first record we put out with John. Oh, We've got two or three more singles in the works that I would say are better, Yeah, better and more defined.

8:45 Speaker 2: Yes, Oh, I'm sorry, go ahead, No, No.

8:48 Speaker 3: I was just gonna say, like collaborations key, isn't it's all about trial and error?

8:53 Speaker 2: Yeah?

8:54 Speaker 1: Yeah, Well for some people, I mean, some people are are are afraid to collaborate, you know what I mean, and they insist on doing every thing themselves.

9:00 Speaker 2: But but it.

9:01 Speaker 1: Sounds like in your case, you've found the right people or the right people were drawn to you, as you talked about earlier, when you figure out who you are and and you know people are people come into your life who are going to be drawn to you. It sounds like you found the right people to collaborate with. I think some people who are resistant to collaboration, because I talked guardists who are who just insist on doing everything themselves. They probably haven't found the right people to collaborate with, you know what I mean.

9:25 Speaker 1: So I think I think that's great. And you mentioned so you use the term lo fi, and I that hadn't occurred to me. I mean, is that what you were going for with Short Life? Kind of a low five vibe? Because it didn't occur to me while listening to it, Like I said a lot of things, did you know, it's got a kind of a beach vibe and it's but it's it's dreamy, you know, That's that's my word for it.

9:46 Speaker 2: But I mean, is that what you're going for kind of a sort of a low vibe?

9:50 Speaker 1: I don't know if retro is the right word, but but I kind of associate that in my mind with low Fis that was what you were trying to achieve with that, and.

9:58 Speaker 3: That was what I was trying to she with the band in general. So I write a lot of music at home on logic. We have got guitars and my ams around me and yeah me, you know, the stuff that I need to make music, and a lot of the stuff that I make at home is very low fine. I think there's a term called I don't know if you know what it's called. It's called demo isis it's when you get you get stuck in the mindset of I've made the demo, this is what the song needs to sound like. But that's not actually conducive to making a great song, because sometimes you have to go, okay, good start, but let's improve it, right.

10:34 Speaker 3: But yeah, short Life is the first creation between me, the lads you know, the group specifics, and the producer Johno because he brings a more British indie rock garage punk type vibes. So when we like, when we mash all our influencers together, that's a sound that came out. But that that was the conversation I think I mentioned a few minutes ago where he said, listen your way. I can't. I can't accord and produce your way, you know at my best. So I decided, okay, I'll bring my ideas, you bring your ideas, and let's meet in the middle.

11:09 Speaker 3: And that's how we done that. So I think that's how we got that more modern sound okay with little bit of retro edge. Yeah.

11:16 Speaker 2: Yeah.

11:17 Speaker 1: Also something else I was reading, so can you tell me about the Rick Rubin principle that you you you'd rather have because I can relate to this. You'd you like strong reactions, right like even if something even if somebody doesn't like something that you've done, you'd prefer that to sort of indifference.

11:33 Speaker 2: Is that correct? Do you understand that?

11:35 Speaker 3: Right? Yeah? I love it. I feel like in difference is the one thing you need to avoid. People don't realize it. It's a bit like it's one of those things indifference that it just passes you by. Was love and hate a visceral reaction. So I have a feeling and this is an assumption of course that you know, I've been playing for five years and we are at a certain stage of our career because I think people love us and hate it. So I'm able to play more shows to like, you know, bigger venues to more people because we do get to visital reactions because say a frock in England, it's not really that common, but I love playing it and I'll always play it because, like I said before, I make music for me.

12:15 Speaker 3: But yeah, Rick Rubin was it was such an inspiration to think, Oh I get it now, love or hates great indifference not so much so someone came up with me after the show recently and said, though that song is terrible, and I said, oh, thank you, right.

12:31 Speaker 2: As I felt something.

12:34 Speaker 3: Yeah, Look, it doesn't even offend me. I think it's great. I'm like, thank you because you've taken the time to speak to me. So I appreciate that.

12:40 Speaker 2: Yeah.

12:40 Speaker 1: And then how does someone react like when you react, when you react to you know, they're they're putting down the song and then you react positively and say, you know, thank you. I mean, do they do they then in that moment seem to get it why you appreciate it? Or are they just kind of do they look at you like what really? You're you like what I said? Like what happens?

12:59 Speaker 2: Then?

13:01 Speaker 3: Do you know what? It's a mixture. You know. You have to remember we haven't met yet. But I'm six foot five.

13:06 Speaker 2: Oh my god, you're a tall guy.

13:08 Speaker 3: I'm six five, I've got long air and a beard. So, like, you ever know what reaction you're gonna get from people? So I usually there's always somebody saying something to like try and chop you down. But it doesn't. It goes in one ear and goes out the other, like it doesn't phaze me. But when it comes to music critique, there's you know, there's some truth in it, isn't If somebody is like brave and honest enough to say to you, oh, I don't like that, I don't like this part, or I don't like this part of the performance, I listen and write it down and think, Okay, is there some truth in that?

13:37 Speaker 3: And I'll investigate it and sometimes there is, you know, and it makes me improve as a performer. So feedback, you know, feedback on my art or on the music. I love feedback on myself. Not interested, don't care.

13:51 Speaker 1: Right right, Yeah, I've always said, I mean, that's kind of always been my approach to radio is I have an adage. I always say I'd rather be than hated, But I'd rather be hated than ignored, you know, because if if people are indifferent to what you're doing, then it's like, well what, you know, what's the point?

14:07 Speaker 2: You know? Or uh?

14:09 Speaker 1: Or It's kind of like in professional wrestling, right like, if you're a good guy, you want to be cheered. If you're a bad guy, you want to be booed. But the one thing you don't want is the crowd to be quiet when you walk out. You know, you want to to get a reaction out of people and you want them to feel something. So but I think it's interesting too that and I commend you for this, for taking the attitude that you do, because you know, as you know, creative people, we tend to be you know a lot of us tend to be kind of insecure in that way, and and we don't and we don't react to any kind of criticism positively or you know what I mean.

14:45 Speaker 1: Like some people really get their feelings hurt. So I I like, have you always had that sort of emotional maturity? Is that something you you've always that's always been internal for you?

14:57 Speaker 3: No, I have to develop that, you know, really, yeah, because like I'm in my thirties now, So I think a lot of it's self development. And you know, there's a thing, isn't it like? And it's a lot of creatives to it. And you can say that I don't like you know, I can say I don't need to be liked. But when you put music out, you hope people like it, right, And a lot of is and extension of you. So you think, if you don't like my music, you don't like me. So after a while you just kind of stop caring. But one thing I don't like is I don't like being ignored.

15:25 Speaker 3: You know, if you send this email to somebody, or listen to me song or check out my new record, I'd rather say this is terrible as opposed to you know, not a question. You know, because you mentioned professional wrestler. I noticed that you do wrestling podcasts.

15:40 Speaker 2: Right, I do. Yes, I love that man.

15:42 Speaker 3: Because I used to be when I was like a kid, you know, in the nice I loved wrestler, loved wc W.

15:50 Speaker 3: So have you interviewed any any like cool wrestlers on there, because I've only just noticed, like the past couple of days, you have a pod. I'm going to listen to it if you do any great legendary wrestlers from those days. No.

16:01 Speaker 1: So, the wrestling podcast that we do it is called Tough Bumps, and we're only up to I think we're an episode. I think we just did episode ten. Oh no wait, I'm sorry, No, we're up to episode I think we're almost up to episode twenty. So, but it's it's only been so, it's been about four months. We do it once a week, so it's relatively new. So We do have long term goals to start to get some of those guests, but right now it's just Eric and I my co host on the show, Eric Pilcher, and we just you know, we we usually we call it the undercard.

16:30 Speaker 1: We talked about some of the wrestling news of the week, and then the main event is we pick a subject that you know that we want to explore really in depth. But we will you know, stay tuned, as we say, we will be doing some interviews in the future.

16:43 Speaker 2: Absolutely, yeah, they were good.

16:46 Speaker 3: They were in my eyes, they were the gold and years of wrestling. But enough about wrestling. Apologies, But how do you deal with rejection? You know, because you're a creative yourself, like you said, you the whole love hate, indifferent. Yeah, do you cope with it? Because like you said to me, I can handle it just bounces off me. How do you cope with it?

17:05 Speaker 1: So for me, as long as it's something I'm doing creatively, I take nothing personal. So if because I'm actually I'm a very sensitive person away from all of this, like if someone, if someone in my life says something to me that hurts my feelings, it won't just hurt a little little crush me, you know. I mean, I'll recover, I'll get past it. But I'm very sensitive that way. But when it comes to anything having to do with I am a musician, but I don't play anymore. I mainly I just focus on radio and podcasting now.

17:35 Speaker 1: But if if somebody says something mean, say online on the internet, I actually like it. I so, but I think that I kind of look at it from a couple of different perspectives.

17:48 Speaker 2: Again.

17:49 Speaker 1: I mean, part of it is I'd rather be I'd rather be loved than hated, but I'd rather be hated than ignored. So if they say something mean, well, at least they're paying attention to me, and it's good for It's good for what I do, right, you know, even if even if someone listens to the show but they hate listen to the show, at least they're listening. But there's also that part of me that wonders, though, is it really healthy or is it just a sort of narcissism that I carry where it's like I just want attention and I'll take whatever attention I can get, positive or negative.

18:17 Speaker 1: I just want the attention. So I don't know if it's healthy or not. The way that I look at it, but I think it is. But sometimes I question it if that makes sense.

18:27 Speaker 3: No, definitely, But I love your approach as well, and I think it's it's a healthy approach because you know, it's hard to separate the art from the artist, but sometimes they're not. I always say this the people who work for In England, we have like people who work for charities and stuff, and they try and sign you up in the street to give you like ten pounds a month, and I always say to them, I always pull them aside and say, I love what you're doing. I don't have the time or you know, I'll sign up to your cause.

18:52 Speaker 3: But I understand that a lot of rejection is they're not rejecting you. They're rejecting your badge, the rejecting the company you work for. Sometimes you just have to separate that they're not rejecting you, the rejecting your art. And that's cool, man, you know, that's just the way it is. But I'll the rejections that I get. I'll keep making art regardless because I make it for me.

19:09 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, no, I think that's uh. I think that's excellent. I think that's excellent. Now, what is what is kind of the future trajectory for you. You know, you've you've got some singles. I mean, do you do you have an album or in the works or are you gonna do an EP or you mentioned an EP earlier.

19:27 Speaker 3: Yes, we are looking to do any EP. We are. We've got a couple of songs in the works that are actually I think we'll make a bit of a not a bit of a difference, make a big difference at our trajectory. I'm also insis of trying to get on the voting the board, the voting board for the Grammys. I'd really like to do that because I have the credits. I've been writing songs and producing songs for a while. Yeah, so that's only little list of to dos. I think we'd like to play a couple of big shows, a major festival because I played Glastonbury last year.

20:00 Speaker 3: I undone opportunity to play Glastonbury, which was unreal. I can't even tell you, but I ended up playing solo. It was the last minute slot. I had like a month to prepare, so I thought, right, I'll take me piano and I'll just play solo. Yeah, it was a surreal experience.

20:14 Speaker 1: Oh that's excellent, and any kind of festival too that you can get on those are such. For one thing, it gets you in front of a big crowd, and it exposes you to an audience that might not otherwise hear you. But also or they would not otherwise. But also the networking opportunities that come at a festival are phenomenal. You know, you meet so many people and and I was reading something too about you that you like to And again this also I think speaks to your emotional maturity and how you approach all this.

20:44 Speaker 1: You know, you don't get jealous of people who are who are successful. You focus on learning from them. And I think that's great because that's you know, a lot of people think success in any kind of endeavor, whether it's the music industry or just life in general, people tend to think of it as a zero sum game. Well, if somebody else is more successful, that means I'm automatically less successful, you know, like there's only so much to go around. But the key is to learn from people who are more successful or who are older, maybe further along in their careers, and you know, and and to take that opportunity to learn from them.

21:19 Speaker 1: And also they've proven that you can do it. So if they can do it, then there's no reason why you can't do it too, right, So you know, there's validation that comes with that. So I commend you for that too.

21:29 Speaker 3: Thank you. It's funny you say that, and that's one of the reasons. That's probably the main reason, like Pacific Keys is what it is today. So you know, I was. I was playing all the parts, organizing everything, pretty much managing the show for you know, a couple of years ago. But then I meet a guitar as who's better than me, and I'm like, please join me band. I meet a drummer who understands the drums more than me, Please join the band. You know, That's what it was. So now I met four players who were far better than me on their own instruments.

21:57 Speaker 3: I think fantastic. I can now focus on what I'm strong at, which is you know, production, songwriting and singing, and now I can trust them to do a great job. So you're right. I try not to get jealous because it's hard not to get jealous because you know, you want to be you want to be on stage, you want to be you think I should be that I deserve to be there. But at the same time, you got to wait your turn. Man, your time will come because the last thing you want. Let's say I think, oh I should be at Glossom, I should be at Leeds Festival, or you know, I should be playing at Cochella.

22:26 Speaker 3: They've spent ten fifteen years working to get towards that, for example, and I'm what I probably say, I'm seven years into this project, probably like you know, twenty five years of like a music career. But I would hate for me to get on stage and people said, think, oh, whise, how does he deserve to be up there? I think, mate, have worked for ten fifteen years, So you have to accept that. You got to put the work in and you know what, you might fail, and that's okay because you know, Alicia doing something that you love.

22:55 Speaker 3: That's all that matters.

22:56 Speaker 2: Absolutely the word.

22:58 Speaker 1: You know, the scariest thing in life would be, you know, to get to get to the end of it and look back and say, you know what if I had tried, you know what, if I had followed my passions. I mean that that would scare the hell out of me, you know, just just looking back with regret and saying, you know, maybe I should have, you know, gone for it. But so no, I agree with you. I mean, you know this is only well, you know, like the song says, you know, it's a short life.

23:22 Speaker 3: So you know what I fear most. I fear getting to the end of the journey, like being successful and feel feeling empty. So that makes me. I hear a lot about that, Like there's a lot about people who win awards and play stadiums. They do that, they hit the goal and they're empty, and that's because they've spent the whole journey thinking about the goal. Whereas you have to just live in the journey, man, Yeah, live in the present. Nothing's guaranteed. The only things guaranteed now is I'm speaking to you.

23:51 Speaker 3: I might go down and make a cup of tea afterwards after we speak. That's all that's guaranteed, man, nothing else. Live in the moment and just try and enjoy the journey because it's tough.

24:00 Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, yeah, you got to enjoy the rider. There's an expression in America. I don't know if they say it here, if they say it over there, but getting there is half the fun. But even that's not necessarily true. Sometimes I think probably getting there is all the fun, you know, and then you know, and then when you get there, you got to find a new mountain to climb or something. But yeah, you better enjoy getting there.

24:20 Speaker 2: If you look.

24:21 Speaker 3: It's so true because you've got all these scars and memories of getting there. If somebody said to you today, are here's a button, if you press this, we'll give you a number one album. We'll give you a you know, a million pounds. I don't believe for a second that in six months you'll appreciate that. But I think all the graphs that you're doing with yourself as well with your radio show, in your podcast, like you seem as a person like me, you know you want to go to the top of your game. And I think it's that it's the hard way you put in.

24:47 Speaker 3: You look back, you know, five years down the line, you look out onto like you know, your property or your money, your bank, whatever, and you think I deserve I not I deserve this, because nobody deserves anything. I art this right. I worked hard, and I think that's the longevity of it. And you'll keep going. You think, Okay, I end me number one records, I'm going to go get a second one because nobody give it to me. Nobody gives you anything in this life, right, you know you're not entitled to anything.

25:11 Speaker 2: Go get it though, exactly.

25:13 Speaker 1: Yeah, very well said very well said Well, Jack, I really appreciate you joining us here today. Not only is it I been excited to talk to you about your music, but also I think you've given because a lot of musicians listen to this show, a lot of industry people, and I think you've given a lot of really good advice and insight today too, which is really cool. So I appreciate that and I enjoy h I appreciate your outlook on everything. I think it's I think it's excellent. And in a moment, like I said, we'll close out the segment with this track Wanderlust, which I also think is great.

25:44 Speaker 1: Oh and I wanted to ask you too about the video for this. The video is really cool. The video for Wanderlust. I encourage people go on YouTube check it out that like did you I mean, how much traveling did you do to make that video?

25:59 Speaker 3: And Nellie died you know, I fell in the river and everything. Man, Honestly, it was such a it was such an amazing slash traumatic video shoot, like we were on top of the mountain and in the middle of the lake districts in England, like we'd walked two hours to get you know, the shot fell in a river, like I got wet. All my stuff, We've got, all the gear was missing, honestly it was. But we got the shot man, and that's all that matters.

26:26 Speaker 2: Yea.

26:26 Speaker 3: I will say, if you want a good video, you're gonna have to walk through hell for it. It doesn't come easy, man. But yeah, it was a good friend Dylan Witty. He's an amazing, amazing video and it's amazing director and he helped me, you know, put that vision together because that was the first piece of music that I put out, so I I wanted to put something out with a bang. But I will say, any any musicians artists listening, Wanderlus had three or four mixes over like four years. For four years I couldn't get I couldn't get the right sound that I wanted.

26:58 Speaker 3: It was tough and it was that whole you know, is it is it good enough? No? Okay, back to the drawing. But I spent thousands mates but the result that I wanted, so you know, I maybe too much perfectionism is a bit too much. But for me, if you're going to make an impact, do it properly.

27:14 Speaker 1: Yes, I think, yeah, absolutely, well well done. It's a it's an excellent video. Like I said, I encourage people to go online and check it out and we will close out the segment with that song again, another great song. But Jack, we will definitely do this again in the future. When you were do you have any idea when your next single might be out? Any any any idea or not to put you on the spot.

27:33 Speaker 3: But no, not to put you on spots at all. I'll be honest. I think maybe a couple of weeks. I'm just doing the final I'm looking for a strings and brass player to help me round out the sound.

27:44 Speaker 2: Okay, can I just.

27:45 Speaker 3: Give a shout out before a go if that's all right?

27:47 Speaker 2: Oh please? Yeah? Absolutely.

27:49 Speaker 3: I just want to say thanks to Big GPR for getting me the interview. Thank you to you, Matt, I really appreciate you, and thanks to we Believe as well and my case. You know, let's keep let's keep hitting those heights and who knows next year where we'll.

28:02 Speaker 1: Be absolutely and everybody you mentioned such great people, you know, and and where they know how to find talent, that's for sure. It's everybody they've sent us has been absolutely amazing, including you. So I'm really glad to talk to you today, Jack, and thank you so much for joining us. We're gonna hit this track, so we'll let you go, but I look forward to the next single and we will definitely have to.

28:26 Speaker 2: Do this again in the near future. So thank you so much.

28:29 Speaker 3: Look forward it past to look man, keep doing what you're doing. You great.

28:32 Speaker 2: Oh thanks Jack, I appreciate you. Man. All right, take care, thank you, all right, bye bye. All right.

28:37 Speaker 1: That was Jack from Pacific A's and we're gonna play this track now. This is called one Wanderlust, and this is really good. And again check out the video not right now, stick with me for now, but later check out the video online.

28:48 Speaker 2: You'll like the video too.

28:50 Speaker 1: They put a lot of work into it, as Jack indicated, and a lot of some terrifying moments too. But check this out. This is called Wanderlust and this is specific days